[00:00] <Brispere> wilee-nilee, i still cant find it, I have 2 hard drives but those fixes dont apply to me as i simply cannot find the uefi path
[00:03] <nimbiotics> hello what is a good channel to ask questions about ssh?
[00:04] <nimbiotics> got it
[00:05] <wilee-nilee> Brispere, I doubt you will get any timely are even accurate help here though. uefi is a bit of a mess per manufacturers versions
[00:05] <Brispere> alright
[00:35] <Levi__> hello
[00:37] <dr_willis> howdys
[00:37] <reisio> 'lo
[00:39] <Levi__> so does anybody questions i could answer
[00:40] <dr_willis> so far.. its been quiet... too quiet.
[00:40] <Levi__> yes yes it has
[00:40] <reisio> a little too Raph
[00:41] <Levi__> but thats kind of good that there is no problems with ubuntu
[00:45] <mr-blah> can erase the windos efi bootloader, and just install grub over it?
[00:46] <mr-blah> I can get the grub menu fr some reason
[00:46] <Levi__> are you using mac
[00:46] <mr-blah> usin a pc
[00:46] <Levi__> windows does not use efi
[00:46] <mr-blah> oh
[00:46] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, This a W8 OEM install originally?
[00:47] <Levi__> are you dualbooting
[00:47] <mr-blah> it's windows 7
[00:47] <mr-blah> yes dual boot
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, Okay a OEM uefi?
[00:47] <mr-blah> i think so
[00:48] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, The uefi is in the chip and bios most likely.
[00:48] <mr-blah> it has a fat32 partition, and a ntfs one
[00:48] <mr-blah> it will install ubuntu, but the grub menu does not coe up. it goes straight to windows :(
[00:48] <Levi__> what is the fat 32 for
[00:49] <mr-blah> i think the fat32 is the boo loader
[00:49] <Levi__> oh
[00:49] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, Have you seen the uefi bot link?
[00:49] <mr-blah> where is that?
[00:49] <Levi__> you might have to wipe out windows and ubuntu and reinstall it
[00:49] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | mr-blah right here.
[00:50] <wilee-nilee> Levi__, You are not even close, don't just suggest what you have no idea in.
[00:50] <Levi__> ok srry
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> Levi__, Be glad to give you bricking advice if you like. ;)
[00:51] <Levi__> ok thanks i guess
[00:52] <Levi__> so
[00:52] <dr_willis> im planing on waiting a long time befor i buy my next pc. or build my own. with all this uefi confusion goin gon right now.  ;)
[00:53] <Levi__> if your computer is uefi dont you install with a 64bit ubuntu os
[00:53] <mr-blah> this is gonna tak forever
[00:54] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, This is good thread to be aware of as well, and this mod specifically. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[00:54] <mr-blah> it says uefi enabled
[00:56] <reisio> dr_willis: well if you bought/assembled your own, it would lack confusion
[00:56] <reisio> the confusion is in the randomness you get with a random prebuilt computer
[00:56] <reisio> in fact, if you build your own, it needn't even have UEFI
[00:56] <reisio> still plenty of competitive hardware without it
[00:56] <reisio> and probably will be for years and years and years
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> I would not mind it if there was a standard release, not the per manufacturers versions, gpt is not a bad thing as far a a by product
[00:58] <dr_willis> waiting for that 'steam box'  ;) but havent heard anyuthing about it recently
[00:59] <mr-blah> ug
[01:00] <mr-blah> i hate this
[01:00] <reisio> yeah gpt is irrelevant
[01:00] <reisio> nothing to it
[01:00] <reisio> and there'd be nothing to UEFI if it were implemented in a standardized way
[01:00] <reisio> although it would still be not a particular improvement over BIOS
[01:00] <mr-blah> so the uefi partition is the fat32 one?
[01:01] <mr-blah> i'm just gonna wipe the whole machine
[01:01] <mr-blah> this is tpp annoying
[01:08] <aespinoza> Hi guys...
[01:09] <aespinoza> does anyone know if dual graphics cards are supported in linux ? My laptop has 2 graphics cards to improve battery usage.
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> aespinoza, Not a new issue state the graphic hardware and your problems to the channel.
[01:12] <reisio> aespinoza: yes, to varying degrees
[01:12] <reisio> aespinoza: do a search for your laptop model and "linux" and "graphics"
[01:21] <Delapena> a
[01:22] <mr-blah> guys, seriuosly. this laptop says uefi enabled, and it won't go into the grub menu
[01:22] <Delapena> aespinoza: yes they are but it's completely dependent on model and driver availability
[01:23] <mr-blah> do i need to disable uefi or what
[01:23] <Delapena> mr-blah: have you tried spamming F9
[01:24] <mr-blah> Delapena: what does that do
[01:25] <Delapena> on my computer it forces grub to appear
[01:25] <Delapena> i had an issue somewhat similar to that one
[01:25] <adzy> ZFS question: is it normal for txg_sync to be writing to disk every 5 seconds? I've had this pool running for a week, and this is the first time I've noticed it
[01:26] <aespinoza> Delapena: Do you know any site where I can find out if my drivers are supported ?
[01:26]  * wilee-nilee waits for the country song "I thought you were a chicken, but you're really uefi"
[01:27] <Delapena> aespinoza: what cards ya got? should be able to do what the other guy said and just google the names with the linux after it
[01:28] <Delapena> !whois aawoods
[01:29] <mk> I'd like to image a disk with ubuntu and win partitions, wipe it, and then potentially clone the image onto another disk (or the same disk)
[01:29] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[01:30] <mk> what is the best way to do this?
[01:30] <mr-blah> hey thanks guys. i think i can fix it with tht info
[01:30] <mr-blah> Delapena: thanks
[01:30] <OerHeks> !clone
[01:31] <wilee-nilee> mk, This a standard HD set up no uefi? Do you want it on a same size or bigger or smaller HD, besides the original?
[01:31] <mk> not package replication. The other partition is windows. I want a data copy
[01:32] <wilee-nilee> mk, Image suggests cloning.
[01:33] <mk> wilee-nilee: I'd guess no uefi, it's on an older laptop. I'd be happy if I can get it cloned back to the exact same drive
[01:34] <wilee-nilee> mk, I use clonezilla for most cloning, is limited to a equal or larger space put back to, and can have parttion numbers changed in the save if different on the reload.
[01:35] <wilee-nilee> saves the mbr kinda handy
[01:35] <mk> wilee-nilee: can I run that without setting up a boot disk or usb?
[01:35] <mk> ideally, I'd like to place the image onto the very same drive, then ftp it out
[01:35] <wilee-nilee> nope you need a boot disc or usb in general.
[01:36] <jupilotropoy> Clonezilla is one of the essential tools in my kit (I'm a PC technician)
[01:36] <mk> hmm, would be nice if there were an on-reboot variant
[01:37] <mk> will I be able to place the image onto the same hd?
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> mk, only limited by space returned to be equal or larger that the original.
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> than*
[01:38] <mk> wilee-nilee: oh, sorry - I mean, while doing the clone from usb, or will I need to place the image onto the usb (not enough space there)
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> mk, Has to go somewhere it is in packages, I use an externa;
[01:41] <mk> I don't have access to my external. Any other way to do it, like making another partition? I guess the main thing I'm worried about is getting the win install back on in good shape, because it would be a pain to re-install, and the nix I could do with even just copying the home dir
[01:42] <wilee-nilee> mk, Clonezilla just saves the data so if you had a partition that is large enough you could use the HD.
[01:42] <wilee-nilee> Does not save the partition size amount just the data in it.
[01:42] <TsarObomba> Anyone know if goog;le music puts drm on your music after you upload?
[01:43] <Agrepha> help me get sound through ubuntu 13.04 hdmi connection through flatscreen
[01:43] <TsarObomba> like id you use google music manager, it gives you a choice of redownloading all songs or just the ones you bought
[01:43] <TsarObomba> which made me leary about drm
[01:43] <TsarObomba> but im downloading over 3K songs anyway...
[01:44] <TsarObomba> hmm, guess not. looks like normal mp3 no drm
[01:45] <mk> I've had a problem getting a copied win partition to boot in the past after copy - can I expect clonezilla to create exactly the same partition (or larger), and the bootloader to pick it up properly?
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> mk, You can create the partition, and use clonezilla to load it, however I think you can have it do a full HD reload without making partitions. I have seen people have problems when they have the partitions full, and not organized...IE defragged...etc
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> never had a problem myself, but I am careful how I do this.
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> mk, What is athe windows release, everyone since XP has a built in imager.
[01:49] <airtonix> google chrome keeps opening itself . !!!!!!111111oneoneoen1111oneonepony1111!!
[01:50] <mk> wilee-nilee: post-xp. Could it image itself onto itself? It cant write to ext...
[01:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> heyo! any info on xorg.conf.d configurations to bind scroll wheel motion to a joypad button (not axis, doing that doesn't quite work for the keys I have in mind. the l2 and r2 axes start at -30000 or so, and that makes it autoscroll when the key is not depressed, so I want to try binding it to the the l/r-2 *button*, not the axes)
[01:51] <mk> airtonix: try #chrome
[01:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> or, barring that a better way to bind it to an axis? Its a sixaxis ps3 pad
[01:52] <airtonix> mk it actually only started happening when i re-enabled gdm instead of lightdm
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> mk, No, I think you need read up on imaging, what is the issue that has you needing to do this?
[01:55] <mk> wilee-nilee: I have a win and a nix partition. I want to back them both up, and put them back into place in a month, but without wasting my time dealing with boot issues
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> mk, Then get a external and image the whole HD, I'm not really into helping on a restricted tool environment.
[01:56] <NedsFlam> Does anyone here know of a channel for electical engineering?
[01:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> !alis
[01:57] <Avgva2> hey guys
[01:57] <NedsFlam> thanks ntzrmtthihu777
[01:57] <mcmanus_> hey, question for you all- are IRC channels persistent, or are new users only able to see posts after they've joined?
[01:58] <ltrottier> single touch works on my Quanta device. any advice for getting multitouch working?
[01:58] <ltrottier> have googled about, and not much is forthcoming
[01:59] <mk> wilee-nilee: I don't have access to my external. It should be easier for me to clone a disk than it is for me to just go out and buy a second disk.
[01:59] <AntORG> mcmanus_, you only see what was posted after your joined. There are online logs somewhere though.
[02:00] <mk> mcmanus_: that's a question for #freenode . Most have logging, so your messages are permanent.
[02:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: what quanta device?
[02:00] <mcmanus_> AntORG & mk- thanks, i'll ask over there
[02:00] <ltrottier> OpticalTouchScreen
[02:01] <ltrottier> ViewSonic TD2220
[02:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: what machine it come on?
[02:02] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: the docs seem pretty out of date
[02:03] <ltrottier> is there some setting, on some panel somewhere, where I just need to turn it on?
[02:04] <parallels> hello all
[02:04] <parallels> ?
[02:04] <daya> what is the role of PE on creating LVM; Could I have more that 8 TB with default 4MB P
[02:05] <parallels> how can I upgrade from 12.04 to 13.04?
[02:06] <daya> parallels: First upgrade to 12.10 and then 13.04
[02:07] <parallels> daya how do I do that because I'm using paralles on my iMac
[02:07] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[02:07] <dr_willis> use the 'do-release-upgrade' tool
[02:07] <daya> parallels: yeah follow the above link
[02:07] <parallels> I went to the terminal and I type  sudo apt-get upgrade and it's not upgrading to 12.10
[02:08] <dr_willis> parallels:  thats because that is NOT what that command does
[02:08] <daya> apt-get dist upgrade possibly work
[02:08] <dr_willis> thats not what dist-upgrade does wither
[02:08] <dr_willis> either
[02:08] <dr_willis> again  --> 'do-release-upgrade' with the proper options  to upgrade to the next release
[02:08] <parallels> can I upgrade from the terminal or do I have to download the 12.10 version?
[02:09] <dr_willis> parallels:  read the url the bot gave above
[02:09] <green_geeky_dude> (Wonders if e has upgrades set to LTS only)
[02:09] <dr_willis> You will need to tell it to upgrade to the non-lts release with an option
[02:09] <daya> dr_willis: Any idea about LVM PE?
[02:09] <dr_willis> it might be much faster to just do a clean install
[02:09] <dr_willis> daya:  i dont usse LVM - so nope.
[02:10] <daya> dr_willis: ok no prob
[02:10] <al_la> Hi all, a quick question: I use virtualbox; there is a problem with starting virtual machines and the only workaround I've found is ensuring linux headers and headers generic are installed for the kernel I'm on which seems to solve it.  Every time a kernel update comes out I have to install the new linux-headers-3.x.x-xx and linux-headers.3.x.x-xx-generic.  Is there any reason to keep the old ones?  Or for that matter, all of the old linux-im
[02:10] <al_la> age-extra-3.x.x-xx-generic files?
[02:11] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: geistest says "error subscribing to gestures"
[02:11] <Shaunt_> Hello everyone, I've created a bootable usb for Ubuntu 13.10, however I don't know how to boot with it because my laptop is currently running Ubuntu 13.04. Can anyone tell me how to do this?
[02:11] <ltrottier> error subscribing window
[02:11] <jrib> al_la: how did you install vbox?
[02:11] <al_la> jrib: ubuntu software manager
[02:12] <jrib> al_la: are you using dkms?
[02:12] <dr_willis> Shaunt_:  tell the pc to boot the usb via its bios. or whatever special key  you hit at boot time ti seledt the boot device
[02:12] <dr_willis> to select the boot device..  ;)   often, esc, del, f1 o2 f8 or f9
[02:13] <dr_willis> the os on the laptop - shouldent matter. since you are teling the bios what to do. befor the os boots
[02:13] <toddaaro> can anyone help me with xorg problems? I have an i7-3770k with integrated graphics in addition to my discrete amd card, and the integrated graphics are confusing the hell out of ubuntu. currently stuck at x segfaulting: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3021495
[02:13] <al_la> jrib: I don't know exactly ... still somewhat novice.  What is dkms?
[02:13] <Shaunt_> dr_willis: Does this apply to computers who's default OS is already Ubuntu? Because I don't see any boot selection options when I start up my laptop.
[02:14] <ltrottier> anyone have advice on getting a Quanta OpticalTouchScreen device working (ViewSonic TD2220) ?
[02:14] <jrib> al_la: dkms automatically rebuilds kernel modules when you upgrade your kernel.  Try « dkms status »
[02:15] <al_la> jrib: installed for several kernel versions it appears
[02:15] <dr_willis> ltrottier:  i often look at the archlinux wiki pages for new/unusual hardware. they often have some goood guides - but not all of it will apply to ubuntu
[02:16] <ltrottier> dr_willis: checking ..
[02:18] <jrib> al_la: the virtualbox module is or what?  dkms does more than just virtualbox
[02:23] <ltrottier> dr_willis: well, single touch should do the job for now ...
[02:23] <al_la> jrib: virtualbox, 4.2.10, 3.8.0-19-generic, x86_64: installed
[02:24] <al_la> jrib: several lines like that for different kernel versions
[02:24] <jrib> al_la: sure, you can remove old headers and old kernels.  You shouldn't have to install new headers for your new kernel manually though. Just make sure you have the right meta-package installed for them
[02:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: hmm. What DE you using/
[02:25] <ltrottier> DE?
[02:25] <al_la> jrib: sorry, again novice here.  What does that mean to have the right meta-package?
[02:25] <ltrottier> Desktop environment? unity
[02:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: desktop environment
[02:26] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: unity
[02:26] <shaunt> Sorry, I was kicked off earlier.
[02:26] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: everything is basically standard. 13.04
[02:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: unity snatches all gestures, so you can't remap occupied stuffs, without patching unity and removing the default gestures
[02:26] <al_la> jrib: brb, rebooting
[02:27] <jrib> erm
[02:27] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: that's lame. I can't just turn off gesture-snatching?
[02:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: can't give you much more info, I just made the jump from *buntu to arch linux, so I can't give you explicit details.
[02:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: nope, take it up with canonical
[02:27] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: hmm k. thanks, though
[02:28] <csffsc> Hello
[02:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: it an easy patch, just commenting out a section, but recompiling and reinstalling unity is a long, cpu intensive process
[02:28] <csffsc> I'm in the process of installing Ubuntu 13.04 from a live 'usb' stick
[02:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> csffsc: and your problem is?
[02:29] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: yeah. k. hm.
[02:29] <csffsc> booted in, ran the install program, after 3 or 4 minutes - the install program reports back that an operating system is not detected
[02:29] <ltrottier> I could just use a different DE
[02:29] <ltrottier> I really don't give a crap one way or the other
[02:29] <csffsc> It's a 128gb ssd, with windows 7 on it.. about 70gb is free
[02:30] <csffsc> Windows 7 isn't uefi.. it's ACHI (AHCI?)
[02:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> csffsc: plenty of room,
[02:30] <csffsc> I agree the is plenty of room, however I was hoping to dualboot
[02:31] <LinuxGold> run Win 7 inside linux host
[02:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: try lxde, or xfce, lightweight and highly configureable. you'll need to install touchegg, but its in the repos, and the config file is pretty simple to understand.
[02:31] <rscnt> someone needs help?
[02:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> csffsc: again, plenty of room, even for a dual boot
[02:32] <toddaaro> anyone able to help with an xorg segfault on startup? http://pastebin.com/zCa0j8cK
[02:32] <rscnt> of course
[02:32] <csffsc> The Installation program does not recognize the windows 7 installation
[02:32] <csffsc> in the past, ubuntu has recongized windows installations, and provided an option to 'install alongside'
[02:32] <toddaaro> rscnt: yay, the core of the issue is probably that this machine has an ivy bridge chip with graphics, but I'm trying to use an amd card instead
[02:33] <nerdtron> morning
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, does windows show in gparted?
[02:33] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: k, will keep in mind. hopefully single touch will do for now ...
[02:34] <al_la> jrib: back, sry
[02:34] <jrib> al_la: you probably want linux-headers-generic installed assuming that corresponds to your kernel
[02:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: google the device number of your device, it may be informmative. I had to install custom firmaware for my n-trig touch screen.
[02:35] <ltrottier> ntzrmtthihu777: hm. good thought.
[02:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> ltrottier: I now have 4 (or was it 5?) detected touch points.
[02:35] <ltrottier> oh nice.
[02:35] <al_la> jrib: right, vbox starts with errors unless I install the linux-headers-generic, then every time the kernel updates I have to manually install the new ones.
[02:35] <csffsc> Just opened Gparted.  Got an interesting Prompt: /dev/sdA: contains GPT signatures, indicating there is a GPT table, however it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should.  Perhaps it was currupted .  Or perhaps the gpt table was deleted and are now using an ms dos partition table.  [Is this a GPT partition Table Yes/NO]
[02:35] <jrib> al_la: no, "linux-headers-generic" is a single package that automatically installes the headers for newer kernels
[02:36] <csffsc> The windows 7 installation was orginally installed with the bios setup in IDE mode, I then reconfigured it to ACHI.
[02:36] <al_la> jrib: oh snap
[02:36] <csffsc> I'm not sure if that impacts the tables.
[02:37] <al_la> jrib: does it automatically remove old as well?
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, I have seen people on here with oem W7 installs that were uefi, the fastboot windows thing with gpt partitioning, generally we see this with W8 oem's.
[02:38] <csffsc> Today I reinstalled windows 7, and updated all of my firmware
[02:38] <csffsc> my motherboard had some itneresting intel fast boot crap added to it
[02:39] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, Sounds like you have the uefi on board, how did you reinstall? use nicks as well here.
[02:39] <csffsc> The only uefi on board is from the USB thumbdrive (for ubuntu 13.04)
[02:40] <csffsc> f11 brings me to boot order, UEFI is prefixed infront of the thumbdrive, thats it
[02:40] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, The fastboot stuff is the actual uefi, ubuntu has options to install on it
[02:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> csffsc: make a backup using windows tools, install ubuntu, restore windows?
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | csffsc take a look here
[02:41] <csffsc> Wilee-nillee, sorry about that.  I found this thread:  last post first page. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1619381
[02:41] <csffsc> how the f do nicks work
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, You can tab complete nicks
[02:41] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: gotcha
[02:42] <wilee-nilee> thats it you got it. ;)
[02:43] <al_la> jrib: installed, I think this will make life much simpler and I'll just manually remove periodically.  Thanks for the info.
[02:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> tab completion is the greatest thing since sliced bread XD
[02:44] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, I'm not real up on uefi so I generally try to just get people relevant info. Since you have reinstalled W7 you want to make sure anyone helping understands all this and is not helping just to suit there own needs first. here is another thread on uefi. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[02:46] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: the windows install is fresh / doesnt have anything important on it.  Last night I actually started out by formatting the SSD, and then trying to install Ubuntu via the live usb.  I couldn't get past the UEFI issues
[02:46] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: I did a total of (3) fresh installs, one of them completed fully, and let me boot into linux once, the rest had errors during the installation process
[02:47] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: tried both 12.10 & 13.04
[02:47] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, That thread author is the best help I have seen, I used to be on the forum and learned a great deal from them on dualbooting and grub in general. They will help you out if needed if you start a thread there. I think your windows install is good, you just need the right help in getting the ubuntu on there, If it were me I would use their help.
[02:47] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: okay, I'll read thi.
[02:47] <csffsc> 8s
[02:48] <Q_Continuum> 12.04 - I switched to a different terminal (TTY1) and then back to X and X isn't accepting any input (keys or mouse) except to leave the TTY again.
[02:48] <LinuxGold> if I changed something in sshd_config, do I need to restart sshd?
[02:48] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, There are people here as well, but not on all the time, many if us have avoided this area if we can.
[02:48] <Q_Continuum> LinuxGold: Config files are generally read on startup, so yes you would need to restart the service for changes to take effect.
[02:48] <LinuxGold> thanks
[02:49] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: why do you avoid this area?
[02:49] <jrib> LinuxGold: you can just run "reload" I think.
[02:50] <jrib> LinuxGold: « sudo reload ssh »
[02:50] <Q_Continuum> 12.04 - how can I reset my X session when it hangs?
[02:50] <Q_Continuum> (Switched to TTY1 and TTY7 no longer takes input at all except to leave TTY7)
[02:51] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, I have not had a uefi computer yet for one, and the manufacturers have their own versions/tweaks of it, so there are not any real empirical fixes, it is a bit of a hit and miss for some. There are some methods people work through, just not as cut and dry as a msdos set up ia all.
[02:52] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: I so far prefer the ease of vmware installs..
[02:52] <mrrcp> Howdy
[02:53] <sordidbass> hola
[02:53] <wilee-nilee> csffsc, Mainly I do not want to brick someone else’s setup, so inspite of my nick I'm very careful.
[02:53] <mrrcp> brick
[02:53] <wilee-nilee> thick as a brick ;)
[02:54] <csffsc> wilee-nilee: I'm fairly certian it'll get bricked again going thru the uefi roulette.. luckily I'm doing all of this to a spare system
[02:55] <al_la> Hi all, quick question:  I'm about to upgrade hard drives but want to keep my installation.  My plan: plug in old and new, boot to live disk, copy partitions over w/ gparted, install grub on new drive, restart with only new.   Any major flaws in this plan?
[02:55] <electricprism> how do i disable the "screenshot" screen prior to launching an app?
[02:56] <D-Chymera1> hi guys, I have an external hdd over here which I plugged into a printing machine that prints directly over USB. I suspect that just messed the start of my volume a bit. I remember I ran some command which printed some output that very much looked like my files from that volume - any idea how I could search for partitions?
[02:56] <wilee-nilee> al_la, That will work, the partitions just have to be equal in size or bigger is all.
[02:57] <wilee-nilee> al_la, Copy and paste to save the original.
[02:57] <sordidbass> al_la: you could do that, a tool like acronis may be a bit easier to use though
[02:57] <wilee-nilee> acronis is nice for windows, does it have alinux version?
[02:58] <sordidbass> the acronis boot cd will clone drives at the block level, a much better option than simply copying stuff at the filesystem level
[02:58] <electricprism> has anyone here got league of legends working?
[02:59] <bjrohan> wilee-nilee: does linux really need a version of Acronis?
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> bjrohan, Did I say it does, the user mentions no windows install to speak of just wants to know if gparted will work.
[03:00] <wilee-nilee> I would use clonezilla
[03:01] <L-Chymera1> hi guys, no advice on recovering my ntfs partition?
[03:01] <mrrcp> L-Chymera1: what happened
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> sordidbass, Cool I was not sure is all, I use another generally.
[03:02] <bjrohan> wilee-nilee: I just figured with as versatile as Linux is from the get go, I wouldn't think Acronis would spend time making anything for Linux. If Linux were more "mainstream" perhaps, so they could make easy money
[03:02] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: If the data is valuable I recommend immediately making a dd image on an extra hdd
[03:02] <bjrohan> :-)
[03:02] <L-Chymera1> electricprism: already did that ;)
[03:03] <L-Chymera1> mrrcp: I think a printer I connected directly to it messed up the start of my olume
[03:03] <L-Chymera1> *volume
[03:03] <sordidbass> don't any of you realize that the acronis boot cd is linux based?
[03:03] <wilee-nilee> L-Chymera1, People commonly use testdisk for recovery
[03:04] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: Well, you could always use DIY GetNTFSDataBack through wine to get a folder / file listing it'll take about 6 - 24 hours to complete the NTFS table scan
[03:04] <sordidbass> i've used testdisk several times to great effect.
[03:04] <wilee-nilee> sordidbass, Sorry man with millions of applications we don;t know everyones and it specificities. ;)
[03:04] <L-Chymera1> electricprism: it has 1 TB :)
[03:04] <sordidbass> wilee-nilee ;-)
[03:05] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: I've recovered a 2TB drive when windows destroyed my MBR table using that tool effectively, also because of the EXT filesystem you dont have the issues of folders longer than 256 characters when recovering so recovering on linux is better
[03:06] <L-Chymera1> electricprism: I don't have wine, and had very bad experiences with it in the past :)
[03:06] <electricprism> You could also rebuild the MBR if that's the issue using DiskPatch3, both programs aren't free
[03:06] <sordidbass> i've used it several times to recover data. I had one drive though where the MFT got totally b0rked and testdisk wasn't able to help. Had to use GetDataBack on windows :(
[03:06] <|Anthony|> i need use echo cancellation since the builtin feature in mumble does absolutely nothing. I did pactl load-module module-echo-cancel but i don't think it's providing the correct sink and source
[03:06] <darkangel> Hey does Linux users use a Linux only Internet server and windows use a windows only internet server
[03:06] <|Anthony|> how do i specify which device i want to load the module for?
[03:06] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: You can also use PlayOnLinux since it's basically the same thing but easier if that helps
[03:06] <Konata> Is there any way to disable that obnoxious sidebar thingy
[03:07] <Konata> I want to use ubuntu the way I'm used to using it
[03:07] <electricprism> L-Chymera1: Since it's a NTFS drive, the recovery tools will likely be windows centric instead of linux imo
[03:08] <electricprism> darkangel: ?
[03:09] <darkangel> does Linux servers use there own Internet server and window users not use it?
[03:09] <electricprism> DNS?
[03:09] <electricprism> Proxy?
[03:09] <darkangel> users not servers
[03:10] <electricprism> Do you mean: does linux use a different network protocol across the network?
[03:10] <|Anthony|> darkangel, it would probably be better to state the issue that is making you ask that question
[03:10] <darkangel> lol its just curiousness
[03:10] <darkangel> is it bad to Install Old Kernels?
[03:11] <Mr_Mull> so can anyone solve this; 	<?php foreach ($this->newsfeed->items as $item) :  ?>
[03:12] <Mr_Mull> its not working because of the foreach()
[03:15] <somsip> Mr_Mull: you need to post the full code somewhere like ##php or stackoverflow
[03:17] <Mr_Mull> somsip; how bout pastebin?
[03:18] <somsip> Mr_Mull: that is a good way of preparing something to post in ##php
[03:19] <Mr_Mull> awe i gotta reg to join ##php
[03:19] <Mr_Mull> okay, one sec
[03:19] <csffsc> Is there a way to confirm 'Startup Disk Creator' properly copied all data to a bootable thumbdrive?  I confirmed the md5 checksum upon download.. However I'm booted into this live cd (13.04), and I cannot get terminal to open
[03:19] <csffsc> click the icon, waiting icon spins for a while, then it goes away
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> o
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> that was fail
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> hm
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> hey csffsc i get thaqt same damn problem
[03:20] <Mr_Mull> making a startup USB, doesn't matter what Creator i use, the USB aint working
[03:20] <csffsc> Mr_Mull: really confidence inspiring huh
[03:21] <csffsc> .. does it boot into the live ubuntu copy?
[03:21] <Mr_Mull> nope
[03:21] <Mr_Mull> most i get is the "Peter anvil" etc etc
[03:21] <Mr_Mull> I'll try using a dvd when i get home from work
[03:22] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, have you summed the ISO?
[03:22] <csffsc> Mr_Mull: agreed.. I would try that
[03:23] <Mr_Mull> wilee-nilee; yup
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, Might be graphics driver issues, really more details would help
[03:23] <Mr_Mull> downloaded it about 30 times this past week too
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, You familiar with nomodeset?
[03:23] <Mr_Mull> wilee-nilee; i'd tell you more details
[03:23] <Mr_Mull> like windows runs perfectly
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> not particularly
[03:24] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | Mr_Mull
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> even tried my old 11.04 edition
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> didn't work ._.
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> er
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> i get the screen
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> says the creator etc
[03:24] <Mr_Mull> but stays there
[03:25] <wilee-nilee> thats just unetbootin
[03:25] <Mr_Mull> yup
[03:25] <wilee-nilee> many ither loaders
[03:25] <wilee-nilee> 'other
[03:25] <sordidbass> I had to use nomodeset on ubuntu 12.04 (12.04.3 has since fixed that issue) on my radeon 6790
[03:25] <Mr_Mull> tried syslinux
[03:25] <Q_Continuum> Question with AMD's CCC on 12.04: Is there a way to have the included screen brightness buttons talk to the CCC for FGLRX?
[03:25] <Mr_Mull> er i got a pretty basic graphics card
[03:25] <Mr_Mull> never had a problem before with it on Linux
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, My guess would be graphic drivers what is the graphic card
[03:26] <Mr_Mull> only the sound card lol
[03:26]  * Mr_Mull facepalms
[03:26] <Mr_Mull> wilee-nilee; my laptop is a Toshiba Satellite C650D
[03:26] <Mr_Mull> 1TB Internal HDD, 2GB Ram, etc etc
[03:27] <Mr_Mull> upgraded HDD, everything else is stock
[03:27] <virgenmadre> What is the best software that you guys think might work for remoting into another computer. This is Ubuntu to Ubuntu machines
[03:27] <Mr_Mull> SSH
[03:27] <Ben64> !enter | Mr_Mull
[03:27] <Mr_Mull> lol
[03:28] <Mr_Mull> Okay Ben64 ; can you halp with php errors?
[03:28] <csffsc> I've always enjoyed using MOSH for command line stuff
[03:28] <dr_willis> ssh -  - the defacto tool for remote access. )
[03:28] <csffsc> keeps the connection persistant as you change ip's, or even computers
[03:29] <Mr_Mull> I like terminal for command line stuff
[03:29] <Ben64> Mr_Mull: perhaps, but i'm a bit busy now, just seeing the whole page filled with your responses. #php might be a good place for help
[03:29] <Mr_Mull> call me basic, but yeah
[03:29] <csffsc> plus it doesnt wait to hear back from the server after every character (which SSH does)..
[03:29] <Mr_Mull> Ben64; i cant join 'em
[03:29] <Ben64> you may need to be registered
[03:29] <researcher> how to run an application when it tends to Display text instead of executing?
[03:29] <somsip> Mr_Mull: I suggested stackoverflow too
[03:29] <|Anthony|> has anyone been able to get echo cancellation to work for mumble?
[03:29] <|Anthony|> i need use echo cancellation since the builtin feature in mumble does absolutely nothing. I did pactl load-module module-echo-cancel but i don't think it's providing the correct sink and source
[03:29] <|Anthony|> how do i specify which device i want to load the module for?
[03:29] <dr_willis> !register | Mr_Mull
[03:30] <dr_willis> Mr_Mull:  many channels require your nick to be regiestered/identified
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> Mr_Mull, I think that computer has nvidia graphics, the boot can be a problem at times for these depending on which ines.
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> ones*
[03:30] <Mr_Mull> .. i know how to register a nick.. and set up services and IRCds and crapp
[03:30] <Mr_Mull> er dude, my pc has nothing associated with nvidia
[03:30] <Mr_Mull> AMD
[03:31] <researcher> !xconfig
[03:32] <sordidbass> -phigh ?
[03:33] <Mr_Mulll> somsip; ah true, i'll try them
[03:33] <sordidbass> what does the -phigh flag do
[03:35] <jgk> hello
[03:36] <jgk> !help
[03:36] <jgk> What ias a good irc client
[03:36] <Mr_Mulll> http://pastebin.com/H7pFSMiV there's my php problem
[03:37] <dr_willis> depends on your needs
[03:37] <Mr_Mulll> jgk; IRSSI
[03:37] <dr_willis> jgk:  i perfer weechat
[03:37] <Mr_Mulll> i love it
[03:37] <dr_willis> weechat has a bigger feature set then irssi these days. but it all depends on your exact needs
[03:37] <Q_Continuum> AMD E-300 APU: Open Source driver performance vs proprietary driver performance, thoughts?
[03:37] <dr_willis> and how much effort you want to put into learning  the client
[03:38] <lhx> what's the best way to get the fasted apt source? apt is donwloaded at 70Kb and I have a 2000Kb line...
[03:38] <jgk> ok
[03:38] <jgk> hows xchat
[03:38] <dr_willis> jgk:  try it and decide for yourself
[03:38] <jgk> ok
[03:38] <dr_willis> xchat is very popular
[03:38] <Mr_Mulll> xchat is nice
[03:38] <dr_willis> and you can get it for windows.
[03:38] <Q_Continuum> jgk: I use ssh + screen + irssi for access from anywhere; if I switched to a GUI at this point it'd probably be Quassel. (Has a client/server option); xchat and weechat are also popular.
[03:38] <lhx> xchat.... tsk tsk... learn how to irssi or weechat
[03:39] <jgk> ok
[03:39] <dr_willis> weechat has an android client to connect to your existing weechat session. ;) or you can use znc
[03:39] <wilee-nilee> lhx, YOu might try apt-fast
[03:39] <dr_willis> depends on how complex you want to get
[03:39] <jgk> An users from India/
[03:39] <jgk> ?
[03:39] <jgk> and Is linux android?
[03:39] <jgk> or is Android based off Linux?
[03:39] <lhx> wilee-nilee: ty
[03:39] <jgk> thats what I'm confused on
[03:39] <jgk>  Ieman
[03:39] <FloodBot1> jgk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:39] <somsip> !ot | jgk
[03:39] <jgk> iOS and Android are UNIX based
[03:39] <dr_willis> android runs on the linux kernel.
[03:40] <wilee-nilee> lhx, No problem, there is a apt-fast ppa.
[03:41] <dr_willis> android is not UNIX based. its using Linux. - and linux is not the same as UNIX (they  are very similer however)
[03:41] <jgk> ohhh
[03:41] <jgk> I see
[03:41] <jgk> but I mean would it work better with a linxu distro?
[03:41] <jgk> vs iOS ?
[03:42] <dr_willis> work better? meaning what?
[03:42] <jgk> as in
[03:42] <dr_willis> good luck getting Apples stuff working with anything other then more apple stuff
[03:42] <jgk> it has better support with syncing etc
[03:42] <jgk> ?
[03:42] <dr_willis> I access my android devices via AirDroid most of the time. Or as if they were regular pcs with samba,ssh, scp and so forth
[03:42] <jgk> whats airdroid?
[03:42] <jgk> Airdroid
[03:43] <dr_willis> they are pcs ;)
[03:43] <dr_willis> an app for android.
[03:43] <jgk> i duncan contrusction there>
[03:44] <dr_willis> Android is more open, and easier to wwork with for doing most things i find. expecially things that may be a little unusual.
[03:44] <jgk> ok
[03:45] <sordidbass> I despise android as an end user.
[03:45] <sordidbass> as a developer its kind of nifty.
[03:46] <dr_willis> I have no issues with android whatso ever as an end user. works well for my needs
[03:46] <dr_willis> I dont bother with developing. ;)
[03:46] <sordidbass> i've had 3 android phones and they've all been terrible.
[03:47] <sordidbass> hate to say it, but the Iphone 4, 4s and 5 I had always just 'worked'
[03:47] <jgk> right
[03:47] <sordidbass> they never hung up, apps always worked... oh! and I could actually make phone calls on them!
[03:47] <dr_willis> as long as you did what they decided to llet you do. but  this is not the channel for this debate
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> !info mixxx > lotuspsychje
[03:50] <dr_willis> heh - you could also   /msg ubottu  mixxx
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: i know mate, but its the first time ive msg bot tonight :p
[03:51] <airtonix> sordidbass: stop buying 2$ phones.
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: was looking for a good alternative for bpm studio in win, so came up on mixxx
[03:53] <dr_willis> !info mixxx
[03:53] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: mixx os pretty cool, I bought a vestax vci-400 to play with it
[03:53] <airtonix> is*
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: http://www.mixxx.org/ pretty neat
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: tnx for feedback mate!
[03:54] <dr_willis> i doubt if i need that for my   Kenny G. collection.
[03:54] <dr_willis> ;P
[03:54] <airtonix> :< kenny g
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: can you get samples on mixxx?
[03:54] <dr_willis> and my broadway showtunes collection. :)  also got a lot of anime OST. ;P
[03:56] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: what do you mean by samples? load small sounds into a push button?
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: yes
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> dr_willis, A local drummer her Bruce Carter was his drummer, he is deceased now but was one of the best.
[03:56] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: then yes.
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> here*
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: nice one tnx
[03:57] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: while mixxx looks alot nicer than all the reast out there, it is missing 4 deck support
[03:57] <airtonix> last time i checked anyway
[03:58] <airtonix> you might also want to look into using a novation launchpad with resound
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: you mean midi for your vestax?
[03:58] <Q_Continuum> 12.04, I switch to TTY1 then back to TTY7 and my screen freaks out.
[03:58] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: yes, last time i checked mixxx only supports two decks, while my vestax has four decks
[03:59] <Q_Continuum> Hrm, didn't do it that time.
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: web says it supports over 30 hardware midi
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: http://www.mixxx.org/features/
[03:59] <dr_willis> Q_Continuum:  seen some times the framebuffer console can confuse and fight with the x server. depending on the drivers
[04:00] <hylian> Q_Continuum: I have been getting a blinking cursor on my system even after the gui is loaded. I have to log out to get rid of it. could they be related? (using 12.04 lts)
[04:00] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: yes 30 different devices are supported. but mixx only has two deck channels.
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: looks pretty professional
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: ah ic..
[04:00] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: yeah it's very nice.
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> airtonix: maybe lmms or hydrogen might work better for you then?
[04:01] <hylian> hello Dr_Willis_. I wanted to say thanks for the help last time.
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | Dr_Willis_
[04:01] <Dr_Willis_> I just ate a bag of donuts. ;)
[04:01] <airtonix> lotuspsychje: nah. also on linux mixx will integrate with RhythmBox if you have it installed
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> i gtooa split to work :p
[04:01] <Mr_Mulll> .:[13:58:35]:. <Q_Continuum> 12.04, I switch to TTY1 then back to TTY7 and my screen freaks out. <-- Must be an AMD thing, mine ALWAYS done that when switching between TTY*s
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> laterz guyz
[04:07] <hylian> can we use xmir now? how would I set that up? I want to see if it solves an issue..
[04:07] <Tex_Nick> hmmmmmmmm ... http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi ... seems to be unavailable/offline ???
[04:09] <hylian> i am looking forward to seeing unity under xmir. it sucks on this laptop currently. I like unity, but for me currently it's xfce. unity is lsuggish and locks up.
[04:10] <jgk> hylian: ohhh sing a song
[04:10] <hylian> jgk: ??
[04:10] <jgk> im kidding
[04:10] <jgk> how much ram
[04:11] <hylian> jgk: 2 gig. it's a cq57-229wm. it's a good office/net machine. it plays sims 3 ok, so i would think it would handle unity.. but alas...\
[04:12] <hylian> Dr_Willis_: backing up the sources and sources list info has been very useful. I set up a client's machine in much less time just yesterday thanks to it.
[04:13] <Mr_Mulll> I hate unity with a passion
[04:13] <jgk> oh
[04:13] <sordidbass> Mr_Mulll: still 100000000% better than Win8
[04:14] <hylian> jgk: i don't hate the idea, but i wish it had a true "no prettyness" mode like gnome.
[04:14] <Mr_Mulll> That's true
[04:14] <Mr_Mulll> Who even uses win8?
[04:14] <Mr_Mulll> I tried the MSDN release once upon a time.. worst 5 minutes ever
[04:14] <sordidbass> used it as my desktop OS at my last job.
[04:14] <hylian> oops, i meant Mr_Mulll, not jgk
[04:14] <Mr_Mulll> ORANGE, NO, BLUE, N GREEN
[04:14] <sordidbass> honestly wasn't /terrible/ and 8.1 fixes many of the usability issues.
[04:14] <sordidbass> i'm going to get banned now, praising a MS product on #ubuntu
[04:15] <Tex_Nick> Mr_Mulll: if you don't like it , don't use it ... there are alternatives
[04:15] <Mr_Mulll> rofl
[04:15] <Mr_Mulll> hylian; agreed, i <3 gnome2.2
[04:15] <hylian> if unity had a zero pretty/slowing visuals option, i probably would switch.
[04:15] <sordidbass> unity 2d on Ubuntu LTS?
[04:16] <sordidbass> rule of thumb for me is to use LTS releases ONLY
[04:16] <hylian> Mr_Mulll: then you would probably ove mate. I had it installed and running for a while. I like xfce better, but mate would be an option I would have no problem living with.
[04:16] <Mr_Mulll> Tex_Nick; exactly my point, I don't use it ;3
[04:16] <Mr_Mulll> ove?
[04:17] <Mr_Mulll> I got xubuntu here
[04:17] <hylian> Mr_Mulll: yeah, big fingers + small keyboard = unusually high typos.
[04:17] <Mr_Mulll> many many isos
[04:17] <hylian> Mr_Mulll: Me too.
[04:19] <cobolfoo> Hi everyone, just upgraded to 13.10 beta1, I really like the way nothing work anymore :)
[04:19] <hylian> cobolfoo: yeah, i stay with the lts's... less headaches.
[04:19] <hylian> cobolfoo: what's going on, maybe we can help?
[04:19] <cobolfoo> they got me with promises of adventures.
[04:20] <cobolfoo> I click on nautilus, click on a favorite/bookmark, then BLAM! segfault.
[04:20] <hylian> cobolfoo: well, this could be classified as an adventure, I guess.
[04:21] <qin> cobolfoo: is #ubuntu+1 there yet?
[04:21] <cobolfoo> qin common
[04:21] <hylian> cobolfoo: i wonder if you could install lxde and pcmanfm. i wouldn't be surpised if it's a unity thing. It would atleast give you a direction to go in trying to diagnose
[04:21] <nafg_> Hi, where can I get help with the following problem: /var/log/mail.log is claiming errors resolving domain names, while ping works fine.
[04:22] <cobolfoo> I usually install a older version of nautilus that support F4 anyway.
[04:22] <cobolfoo> but I was expecting a little bit less crashes for a beta1.
[04:22] <hylian> nafg_: sorry, i am not a server man. What program is this?
[04:22] <cobolfoo> anyway, I only wanted to say how I liked the way nautilus crash for no reason , not really searching for a solution.
[04:23] <hylian> cobolfoo: ahh, yes it's fun to watch things fall apart around you, not. :)
[04:24] <cobolfoo> How complete is Unity 8 for Desktop ?
[04:24] <hylian> nafg_: can you post a pastebin? http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[04:24] <qin> nafg_: What domain are you using, since it is rather complaining about mx record than dns resolution.
[04:25] <nafg_> qin: You mean which domain is not resolving? Things like gmail.com
[04:25] <nafg_> I'm trying out the advice on  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=137954
[04:26] <nafg_> How often does it retry?
[04:26] <qin> nafg_: if you using gmail it is more wrong config.
[04:26] <nafg_> I'll just send a new mail
[04:26] <nafg_> qin: no, it's sending *to* gmail, sorry for confusion
[04:26] <nafg_> I didn't understand your question
[04:26] <nafg_> then
[04:26] <hylian> i have to go, bye all
[04:26] <nafg_> bye
[04:26] <qin> nafg_: sends as *who*?
[04:28] <nafg_> qin: You mean the "from"? I believe noreply@disp.lrbcol.org
[04:28] <nafg_> here's an example error line
[04:28] <nafg_> https://gist.github.com/nafg/10bce29ad1fd55ec4ac9
[04:29] <nafg_> it's complaining about the recipient I think
[04:29] <qin> nafg_: send mail to yourself?
[04:29] <nafg_> qin: what do you mean?
[04:30] <nafg_> It's going from a server (JVM webapp)
[04:30] <sennin> español
[04:30] <nafg_> qin: do you mean I should try to?
[04:30] <qin> !es
[04:33] <nafg_> Hey, all of a sudden it's working! Maybe https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=137954 but it took time to go into effect?
[04:36] <nafg_> Okay, so then I have  a different question
[04:37] <nafg_> qin: Can you help me with this? This one is more ubuntu specific. The other day apt-get couldn't resolve archive.ubuntu.com so I put google dns into /etc/resolve.conf.
[04:37] <qin> nafg_: acctually it is interesting, how it started working?
[04:37] <hplc> anyone that can help me out why this script dont work? it should create files and dirs as it goes, but it wont do that http://pastebin.com/BgtVhF7b
[04:37] <nafg_> However the file says not to edit it by hand since it will be overwritten
[04:38] <nafg_> qin: I'm guessing due to the link I posted: I edited /var/spool/postfix/etc/resolve.conf, i.e. the one in the postfix chroot.
[04:38] <nafg_> I ignored that warning since it was a temporary need, so I don't care if it gets overwritten
[04:39] <nafg_> However I'm wondering if somehow editing /etc/resolve.conf confused postfix's chroot env? Doesn't make any sense to me but what do I know
[04:39] <nafg_> In any case, the important question perhaps is, what is the correct way to edit the dns server (e.g. set to google or opendns)?
[04:40] <nafg_> Since a lot of sites say to edit /etc/resolv.conf, I'm guessing the warning not to edit it is ubuntu-specific
[04:40] <Ben64> !resolvconf | nafg_
[04:42] <nafg_> Thanks Ben64
[04:47] <teaf> meu cinelerra está com áudio ruim
[04:47] <teaf> e dá um erro quicktime
[04:47] <teaf> oque é isso?
[04:48] <qin> hplc: python would be better for it, yet #bash channel may say otherwise
[04:48] <tolga> when will bluetooth work out of the box. BT is still SUPER unreliable in 13.04
[04:49] <tolga> BT in xp works out of the box and has no issues connecting to smart phone, but is still darn unrealiable in any flavour of linux
[04:52] <Dr_Willis_> ive had to fight with bt on windows quite often also. :) but still. bt seems to be one of those techs. that should be so muh better then how it is now.
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> they really should have bt been standard on all mb's ages ago. ;(  but all i use it for these days is  my android keyboards and game controllers
[04:53] <tolga> Dr_Willis_: ive never had issues with BT in any flavour of windows
[04:54] <tolga> Dr_Willis_ BT in linux is horrendous
[04:54] <qin> ...flavour of windows... hehe
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> Ive definatlyhad to fight with it in windows. mainly due to either the windows bt stack fighting with the bt dongles companies software - or visa versa.
[04:55] <tolga> i always have to install Blueman app and ANYTHING BT related in synap's in order for it to send or receive
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> i really havent btheed with bt other then for keyboards  in ages.
[04:55] <tolga> im more interested in BT in connecting smartphones to laptop
[04:56] <qin> tolga: wifi direct?
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> i definatly NEVER bother to do BT connections to phones.. unless its a last resort
[04:56] <tolga> qin : what u mean
[04:56] <qin> btw, does it work in linux already?
[04:56] <LinuxGold> what is the app that generates the grub.cfg properly in ubuntu?
[04:56] <qin> tolga: wifi direct is no access point, p2p protocol
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> LinuxGold:  sudo update-grub
[04:56] <LinuxGold> update-grub didn't update the grub.cfg after I removed the kernel via apt-get purge
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[04:57] <tolga> its a horrendous effort to get BT to transfer or recieve files via BT on ubuntu/deb OS
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> LinuxGold:  try it again. I would guess the kernel dident get all the wayuninstalled or somthing.
[04:57] <LinuxGold> did that thrice :)
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> because update-grub is definatly the way to  update the grub cfg. and it should only list the kernels it finds.
[04:57] <qin> tolga: for sharing files you may want to just use drive or ubuntu one
[04:58] <tolga> is there any way to get devs to realise that BT dosnt really work out of the box, i think its a forgotten component on any ubuntu release
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> file transfers over bt - nasty. ;) for my android phones i definatly use airdroid or some sort of ssh/sftp client
[04:59] <tolga> they seem to concentrate on rather pointless updates on ubuntu other then fixing ancient bugs thats been residing for the last 5 years
[04:59] <qin> tolga: BT tents to be more hardvare communication platform than protocol for users
[04:59] <LinuxGold> http://pastebin.com/463R4iPq
[04:59] <qin> tends
[04:59] <LinuxGold> dr_willis: here is the paste of what I was trying to do
[04:59] <tucemiux> anyone knows how to configure grub2?  I have two hard drives, one with windows7 and another with ubuntu
[05:00] <tolga> qin BT finally works after you install blueman app and all bt related services and plugins in synap
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> tucemiux:  sudo update-grub SHOULD see both drives and add a windows entry. thats how my desktop system is setup
[05:00] <tucemiux> Dr_Willis,  thanks for the tip, let me reboot to see if that did the trick!
[05:01] <jgk> Hello
[05:02] <jgk> Hi Snake2k
[05:02] <jgk> How's coding noobs
[05:02] <Snake2k> Hey jgk, its good :)
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> LinuxGold:  i have to wonder where your /boot/grub/menu.lst came from ;) i dont even have that file
[05:03] <LinuxGold> isntalling grub2
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> i dont have that file.. makes me wonder whats going on with it.
[05:04] <LinuxGold> you tell me :)
[05:04] <tucemiux> Dr_Willis, that one did it, thanks !!!
[05:04] <LinuxGold> Ubuntu 13.04 Server
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> willis@1001PXD:/boot/grub$ sudo update-grub | pastebinit
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> Generating grub.cfg ...
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> at No point does mine mention menu.lst
[05:05] <LinuxGold> rebooting
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> its almost as if you have LILO on the system
[05:05] <LinuxGold> lol!
[05:06] <GeorgeJ> Hello folks. I'm trying to install wine1.6, however, the ubuntu repositories only contain wine1.4, and the ubuntu-wine ppa's wine1.6 is actually wine1.7. Any ideeas?
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> if it in in fact using lilo.
[05:06] <LinuxGold> I remembered lilo back in old days
[05:07] <LinuxGold> installed grub2 and it did the trick
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> err.. so you were using LILO?
[05:07] <LinuxGold> no
[05:07] <LinuxGold> grub
[05:07] <LinuxGold> I used update-grub, noticed it updated menu.lst
[05:08] <LinuxGold> saw you saying !grub2 -- so I decided to go for grub2
[05:08] <LinuxGold> apt-get install grub2 -- got it fixed
[05:08] <qin> 0.98, was it ditched around 10.10, right?
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> You were using Grub1 ? how manu times has thios system been updated/upgraded?
[05:08] <LinuxGold> initially installed 12.04 and upgraded to 13.04
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> i recall some old release would not switch to grub2 - if you did a release upgrade
[05:09] <LinuxGold> did a release upgrade
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> but 12.04 should have been using grub2 by default
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[05:09] <LinuxGold> of course
[05:09] <LinuxGold> at least, it is fixed now
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> so shomthing stll seems weird
[05:09] <LinuxGold> yeah, tell me about it.
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> at leat you are not trying to use LILO like i saw some guy trying to do last week
[05:10] <calwig> how can I make an ISO from several files? and make it bootable
[05:10] <LinuxGold> lol
[05:10] <qin> calwig: to boot into what?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> calwig:  you are tryint to remaster a ubuntu disrto?
[05:10] <LinuxGold> when you said lilo, it reminds me of Robert LEvin
[05:12] <ericab> how do i tell apt-get updo an "apt-get upgrade" but not one of the packages it wants to update ?
[05:12] <qin> !pinning
[05:13] <calwig> qin, yea sort of and I have all files in a folder, I just need it to be set with a boot flag
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> calwig:  so what exactly do you have in that folder?
[05:13] <calwig> Dr_Willis, kindof
[05:13] <ericab> thx quin
[05:13] <qin> !remastersys
[05:13] <qin> ups
[05:14] <calwig> Dr_Willis, i got a couple of different things Im trying
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> !remaster
[05:14] <calwig> like DOS, Win95, and some debian files
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> calwig:  good luck with that. You may need to read up on the sysiso  docs
[05:14] <jgk> Him
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> there are tools that let grub2 boot ISO files. ;)
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> which may be easier to do
[05:15] <calwig> ok
[05:15] <calwig> Dr_Willis, will have a look
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> the multisystem USB maker tool at pendrivelinux lets you make a Usb flash that can boot differnt iso files as well.
[05:17] <rscnt> howdy!
[05:17] <rscnt> who needs helpsz!?
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> normally you come in and wait for someone to ask a question....
[05:18] <calwig> Dr_Willis, unetbootin.. ah right
[05:18] <rscnt> b**ch i want the question right now!
[05:18] <calwig> thx
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> calwig:  i never use unetbootin. ;)  i perfer 'multisystem' or the other tools at the pendrivelinux site
[05:18] <calwig> ah
[05:18] <rscnt> calwig: go with unetbootin
[05:18] <rscnt> isn't that thing deprected
[05:18] <jgk> rscnt: Calm down
[05:21] <JadedNZ> Hi
[05:21] <rscnt> Hi
[05:21] <JadedNZ> I have a toshiba 500GB SATA drive that I want to install ubuntu onto, how can I scan the drive for bad sectors before installing ubuntu?
[05:22] <qin> JadedNZ: check SMART data, disk utility from live cd/usb
[05:23]  * cfhowlett ... thinks "Oh, yes!  The rude, profane guy is EXACTLY who I want help from!"
[05:23] <GeorgeJ> Hello folks. I'm trying to install wine1.6, however, the ubuntu repositories only contain wine1.4, and the ubuntu-wine ppa's wine1.6 is actually wine1.7. Any ideeas?
[05:24] <jpds> GeorgeJ: On which version of Ubuntu?
[05:24] <JadedNZ> The drive currently has Windows 7 + all the HP/Compaq bloatware on it. has "Weak Sectors" on ita
[05:24] <GeorgeJ> 13.04
[05:24] <rscnt> George2: compile it, or use archlinux (manjaro)
[05:25] <JadedNZ> Sorry: I meant to say Hard Drive sentinel reports that drive as having weak sectors
[05:25] <cfhowlett> !info wine
[05:25] <GeorgeJ> rscnt: Sure, I could compile it, but archlinux? Really? Are you suggesting I use a shitty distro just so that I can run a custom version of an utility? Are you that dumb?
[05:25] <JadedNZ> I'm guessing Weak Sectors just mean "Pending sectors"
[05:26] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: oh, i didn't know you think that about arch, so gentoo then?
[05:26] <wilee-nilee> GeorgeJ, http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/wine/precise/main/base/wine1.6
[05:27] <GeorgeJ> wilee-nilee: I tried that. It's still wine 1.7 :(
[05:27] <qin> JadedNZ: Well, it means precisely this... back up?
[05:27] <wilee-nilee> ah, those lying ........
[05:28] <ChogyDan> GeorgeJ: you'll probably get a better answer in #winehq
[05:28] <GeorgeJ> rscnt: Wat. Do you not realise how dumb it is to suggest using another distro just so that I could use a different version of an utility? Especially when asking in a support channel for another distro.
[05:28] <JadedNZ> IT's a friends laptop, I got them to backup all their documents before I even had a look at it
[05:28] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: it's for good
[05:28] <cfhowlett> GeorgeJ, relax and don't feed the trolls.
[05:28] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: please be respectful.
[05:28] <GeorgeJ> cfhowlett: I am.
[05:28] <GeorgeJ> rscnt: Fuck off
[05:29] <qin> GeorgeJ: you can ignore silly rants, he is beyong of reach of arm ;)
[05:29] <dak0> Hello, does Lubuntu have preinstalled Office package like Ubuntu ?
[05:29] <qin> !language
[05:29] <cfhowlett> dak0, yes but you can always just add libreoffice if you wish
[05:29] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: please watch out your language
[05:29] <GeorgeJ> ChogyDan: They're probably going to recommend recompilation, which is allright, I was looking for an alternative though and couldn't find anything decent on the interwebs, thas why I asked here. Thanks anyway though.
[05:30] <GeorgeJ> rscnt: Why?
[05:30] <IdleOne> GeorgeJ: because it is part of the channel guidelines
[05:31] <dak0> cfhowlett: friend of mine wants to install Linux on his laptop, the question is he really need office for university how Libreoffice works compared to Microsoft office?
[05:31] <ChogyDan> GeorgeJ: I bet the ppa maintainer just messed up the versions
[05:31] <rscnt> dak0: you're going to have some problems
[05:31] <ChogyDan> rscnt: stop
[05:32] <rscnt> dak0: i mean i could come here and say, "It's going to work seamslessly and everything"... but the reality is that you're going to have some little problems
[05:32] <dak0> cfhowlett, rscnt: also he has 2.0Ghz dual-core 2Gb of ram so I though Lubuntu is best distro for his specs
[05:33] <cfhowlett> dak0, hard question to answer but ... LibreOffice ain't MS office.  They both have wordprocessing, etc.  Different keystrokes and such.  that said, there is another option.  Kingsoft-Office is a "clone" of MS office.  Haven't used it myself ...
[05:33] <rscnt> dak0: i've been using LibreOffice/Ooo since im in highschool and
[05:33] <cfhowlett> dak0, good thinking.  xubuntu/lubuntu are both optimized for low spec / older machines.
[05:33] <rscnt> dak0: there's some bad experiences that i can share, but at the end, i didn't regret
[05:33] <qin> dak0: they are not fully compatibile, espacialy VBA and macros
[05:34] <GeorgeJ> ChogyDan: Hopefully, but doubtfull, seeing that there are other version discrepancies aswell, wine1.3 for example is 1.4.
[05:34] <rscnt> dak0: exactly, once we had to rebuild at etering system that use some crappy excel sheets, and i got a lot of problems with calc
[05:34] <rscnt> dak0: but just for see the data, they're going to be ok
[05:35] <rscnt> dak0: also now there's the MSOffice in the cloud, the 356 or something like that
[05:35] <Ben64> GeorgeJ: its because it got updated
[05:36] <GeorgeJ> Ben64: Sure, but why have a specific package named 1.6 that's actually 1.7?
[05:36] <Ben64> GeorgeJ: you'd have to ask them
[05:36] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: go and post that in other place.
[05:36] <cfhowlett> GeorgeJ, grub2 is still grub 1.99 ... stuff happens
[05:36] <rscnt> GeorgeJ: this is not the place to cry about it.
[05:37] <dak0> rscnt, quin, cfhowlett: What do you suggest guys, I mean office is vital for him? Also he don't know much about comps, he is just casual user web mail, browser and office.
[05:37] <IdleOne> rscnt: Please limit your comments to supporting users and let those who know and understand the channel rules enforce them.
[05:37] <cfhowlett> dak0, so have him use the office online version and be done.  or even google docs?
[05:37] <Ben64> dak0: libreoffice works great, but there are some issues. i've had a very complex excel document not work properly in it
[05:37] <rscnt> dak0: do it, he will be fine.
[05:38] <rscnt> dak0: also there's virtualbox, qemu... web apps (gdocs, msoffice)
[05:38] <andornaut> So, Ubuntu 13.04 doesnt appear to package xlockmore any longer. Are there any alternatives in the repos?
[05:38] <dak0> cfhowlett, ben64, rscnt: Thanks for your time guys, have a nice day.
[05:38] <rscnt> dak0: why not dual boot to start?
[05:39] <JadedNZ> I ended up using the Compaq Insydeh20 Setup Utility to do a comprehensive test on my drive
[05:39] <qin> dak0: Get usb drive and test on live system, you need 8 gb to fit all updates and installs
[05:39] <IdleOne> andornaut: is xautolock what you are looking for?
[05:40] <JadedNZ> Through the BIOS
[05:40] <dak0> He wants to get rid of windows so dual-boot is not an option :D, qin: I'll keep that in mind thank you too
[05:40] <Ben64> JadedNZ: what are you trying to do?
[05:41] <JadedNZ> Ben64: Trying to see what kind of state my friends drive is in
[05:41] <rscnt> i didn't know that docker can't be used on syria
[05:42] <Ben64> JadedNZ: ok.. but we can't really help you with a compaq utility
[05:42] <rscnt> or in north korea
[05:42] <JadedNZ> OK.
[05:43] <JadedNZ> What about a webpage that explains how bad sectors works.
[05:43] <JadedNZ> IS it the drive's firmware that marks sectors as bad, or is it the file system?
[05:45] <ChogyDan> JadedNZ: I _think_ both happens.  The drive does it some, automatically, and you can check that with smartmontools.  The file system starts handling it when the drive has too many bad sectors to handle on its own
[05:45] <GeorgeJ> JadedNZ: I believe both can, mostly filesystems afaik though.
[05:45] <Ben64> JadedNZ: if you're having bad sectors, that usually means its time to get a new drive
[05:46] <JadedNZ> Ben64: Yeah, my friend is just being stubborn, I told them to get a new drive.
[05:46] <radiovstv> Hey folks! Trying to solve an issue. When I boot my Ubuntu 12.04 partition, I get an error "SP5100 TCO timer: mmio address 0xb8fe00 already in use", and freezes. I can, through GRUB use an older linux kernal to get to the desktop. After some research, updating my drivers to my video card to a stable version may be a fix. However, I cannot update/replace the drivers via the system (Update Manager or terminal). Any insight on how to approach this would
[05:46] <radiovstv> be appreciated.
[05:46] <JadedNZ> But they're just going to use the laptop for general web surfing and save everything on the cloud
[05:53] <clue_h> JadedNZ, if their main hd is failing the least they could do is install a base system on a cheap sd card/usb if they dont want to spend to much. More importantly they should backup what they have on something
[05:53] <clue_h> too*
[06:00] <hymera> hi
[06:00] <hymera> can i ask if anyone is from Canada
[06:00] <hymera> i need a little help
[06:01] <cfhowlett> !ask|hymera,
[06:02] <clue_h> hymera, what's up
[06:05] <hymera> hi clue_h can i PM you>
[06:05] <clue_h> hymera, i may not know the answer, best to ask your question here
[06:08] <PParth> hey all
[06:08] <PParth> i have a local ubuntu repository and i have a kickseed file
[06:08] <PParth> what do i need to do to install on a laptop through network?
[06:08] <PParth> no CD drive
[06:08] <PParth> want to do "live" install
[06:08] <PParth> from my local repo and using my kickseed file
[06:09] <PParth> i'm looking through https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Installation_without_a_CD
[06:09] <PParth> but i can't see an option that fits my requirements exactly
[06:09] <PParth> not sure where the solution might lie either... so any help/nudge would be appreciated
[06:15] <Sathis> sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log
[06:15] <cfhowlett> PParth, so a network installation, yes?
[06:16] <Sathis> i need to seperate a string within that commind
[06:16] <PParth> cfhowlett i guess that's what it would be called
[06:16] <Sathis> *command
[06:16] <cfhowlett> PParth, see "server and network installations"  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[06:16] <PParth> cfhowlett so i'm going to hvae to setup TFTP and PXE?
[06:17] <cfhowlett> PParth, never done so, but yes, that is my understanding.
[06:17] <PParth> cfhowlett ah, that's what i feared. haven't done it myself. I guess i'm in for a fun ride
[06:17] <PParth> cfhowlett thanks
[06:17] <cfhowlett> PParth, have fun, be safe.
[06:17] <Sathis> how to get a seperate string with command in ubuntu.. ?
[06:18] <Sathis> anyone help ...
[06:18] <PParth> Sathis give an example of what you mean by seperate
[06:19] <Sathis> Command: sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log
[06:19] <Sathis> this will run a log files
[06:19] <Sathis> eg: 1378879071.966 S001 50009 TCP_MISS/200 CONNECT msh.amazon.com:443 DIRECT/207.171.162.253 - [Host:- User-Agent:Amazon/5104.1 CFNetwork/548.1.4 Darwin/11.0.0]
[06:19] <PParth> ok
[06:19] <PParth> what do you want the final output to look like?
[06:20] <Sathis> in that log files i need to view only this string with  "50009 "
[06:20] <squillow> i need some help with a broadcom b43 driver for a broadcom bcm4331 -- its working but it doesnt detect any wifi networks until i manually "connect to hidden network". im using ubuntu 12.04.3
[06:20] <PParth> sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log | cut -d\  -f 3
[06:20] <squillow> any suggestions would be appreciated, thank you
[06:20] <PParth> try that
[06:20] <cfhowlett> squillow, so is that network indeed hidden?  try connecting to a different network.
[06:20] <squillow> no its not hidden
[06:21] <PParth> Sathis there are two spaces after "-d\"
[06:21] <squillow> its just manually forcing it to associate
[06:21] <PParth> that's specifies the deliminator as a space
[06:21] <PParth> -f specifies the 3rd column to output
[06:21] <Sathis> PParth > sure let me checl
[06:21] <cfhowlett> squillow, strange behavior.  Wish I knew more but ... over my head
[06:21] <squillow> after that point it detects other networks in the vicinity
[06:21] <squillow> iwlist wlan0 scan shows nothing
[06:21] <squillow> until i force it to connect
[06:21] <cfhowlett> squillow, ... VERY strange behavior.
[06:22] <clue_h> Sathis, or...         cat /var/log//squid3/access.log | grep50009
[06:22] <CountryfiedLinux> How do I find out what graphics card model I have?
[06:23] <clue_h> with space at end
[06:23] <PParth> Sathis if you are looking for the exact string "50009" then follow clue_h suggestion and use the command "grep"
[06:24] <clue_h> CountryfiedLinux, lspci
[06:24] <ChogyDan> CountryfiedLinux: sudo lshw -C video
[06:24] <PParth> Sathis you can do something like:  sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log | cut -d\  -f 3 | grep 50009
[06:24] <squillow> cfhowlett: thanks; anyone else?
[06:25] <clue_h> squillow, is cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf saying managed=true?
[06:26] <squillow> ifupdown -- managed=false
[06:26] <CountryfiedLinux> ChogyDan, http://pastebin.com/hcKP2BFg I don't see a model version number
[06:26] <clue_h> squillow, try changing it to true
[06:27] <clue_h> squillow, because i had a similar issue, this helped.
[06:27] <ChogyDan> CountryfiedLinux: you misstyped the command
[06:27] <nurow> Hello, for several days now I've been trying to find a way to stop the windows snapping that occurs between my first and second monitors. My cursor constantly gets stuck in the gap between the two monitors, and it is extremely annoying. I tried disabling windows snapping in Compiz, but that had no effect. I tried disabling Windows Snapping in Unity Tweak Manager, but that disables all windows snapping, and I don't want that. What can I do?
[06:28] <LinuxGold> CountryfiedLinux:  sudo lshw -C video NOT sudo lshw _C video
[06:28] <squillow> clue_h: i will try and reboot -- if i dont come back then it worked lol
[06:29] <clue_h> lol
[06:29] <squillow> after i force it its fine until reboot or suspend
[06:29] <squillow> fyi ive tried bcmwl-kernel-source (which fails and is the one that "Additional drivers" installs), and reinstalling the b43 firmware cutter which reinstalls the most current driver
[06:29] <CountryfiedLinux> ChogyDan, http://pastebin.com/cj4y1F2L
[06:30] <clue_h> squillow, so is it using the open source driver now
[06:30] <squillow> 	Kernel driver in use: bcma-pci-bridge
[06:30] <squillow> 	Kernel modules: bcma
[06:31] <ChogyDan> CountryfiedLinux: I think you just have instels integrated graphics, i915
[06:31] <CountryfiedLinux> ChogyDan, I was about to ask that haha thanks.
[06:31] <squillow> here goes
[06:32] <cfhowlett> squillow, so you attempted multiple installation methods.  I'd suggest maybe an artifact or two is confusing the issue.  purge the bcm stuff and reinstall.
[06:33] <ChogyDan> didn't broadcom go open source?  Why is it still so hard for folks?
[06:33] <santosh> I have a 2 mb file and a 10 mb file, I want the first to be merged in second one overwriting the existing 2mb.
[06:33] <cfhowlett> ChogyDan, they did.  broadcom linux sta driver requires users to compile and such.  Most want no part of that.
[06:34] <PN2> hi
[06:34] <cfhowlett> PN2, greetings
[06:34] <PN2> lady gaga is there
[06:35] <cfhowlett> !ot|PN2,
[06:35] <santosh> Anybody to the my question?
[06:35] <clue_h> squillow, i take it that had no effect
[06:35] <squillow> no
[06:36] <cfhowlett> squillow, what was your chipset?
[06:37] <cfhowlett> http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[06:38] <squillow> bcm4331
[06:38] <squillow> from macbookpro 8,3
[06:38] <squillow> that driver doesnt have that chip listed
[06:39] <emurillo510> does anyone know why sometimes video/music is choppy on ubuntu, it goes away after restarts
[06:39] <squillow> memory gets low
[06:39] <emurillo510> i have 12.04 lts version of ubuntu, it happens occasionally and it goes away after restart
[06:39] <santosh> I have a 2 mb file and a 10 mb file, I want the first to be merged in second one overwriting the existing 2mb of 10 mb file.
[06:39] <LinuxGold> when I issued iwconfig wlan0 essid <myessid> key <password> I received the error in Ubuntu 13.04 --  Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A):
[06:39] <emurillo510> but i have 8 gigs
[06:40] <LinuxGold> invalid argument "<password>"
[06:40] <squillow> use htop to figure out what is eating your memory or cpu
[06:40] <Alvein> hi all
[06:40] <Alvein> Help determine the cause of the periodic server is unavailable (ubuntu 13.04)
[06:40] <clue_h> emurillo510, could be a number of factors like high disk access too
[06:41] <emurillo510> ic
[06:41] <squillow> or as clue_h says -- iotop
[06:41] <emurillo510> is there a way to fix it w/o restarting all the time?
[06:41] <squillow> end the process...
[06:41] <PN2> how to run cron  job in script
[06:42] <clue_h> it's usually the reverse
[06:42] <squillow> so anyone have a clue about my broadcom issue?
[06:43] <squillow> im not sure if its a driver issue or something else because once associated it detects other networks -- so the driver operates?
[06:44] <clue_h> squillow, only a lame question, in network manager is 'automatically connect' ticked.
[06:45] <squillow> yes
[06:45] <clue_h> sorry for that lol
[06:46] <Sathis> PParth> sudo tail -f /var/log//squid3/access.log | grep -h 50001
[06:47] <Sathis> this worked :)
[06:47] <PParth> Sathis that's good to hear. Sorry misunderstood your original request =)
[06:48] <clue_h> someone suggested to purge everything to do with the proprietary driver and then install the open source. i was just going to look for an arch wiki on your wifi model but update interfered
[06:49] <clue_h> slow connection
[06:50] <horrow> Hello guys i need some help pls
[06:50] <MrQuist> OH sure
[06:50] <MrQuist> here, have some help:
[06:50] <MrQuist> 1. Always drink a glass of water before going to bed.
[06:50] <MrQuist> 2. Try to eat at least 2 pieces of fruit per day.
[06:51] <MrQuist> 3. Always ask a question, don't ask to ask :)
[06:51] <horrow> Im trying last 2 days to use logkeys program on my ubuntu
[06:51] <horrow> but i cant
[06:51] <squillow> i can apt-get remove b43 stuff and modprobe -rf b43
[06:51] <squillow> but installing open source didnt help when i trieed
[06:51] <MrQuist> okay
[06:51] <MrQuist> thats too bad horrow
[06:51] <horrow> im using ubuntu 12.04 LTS 64bit
[06:52] <clue_h> squillow, what a pain this broadcom is
[06:53] <squillow> i know
[06:53] <MrQuist> okay great
[06:53] <horrow> MrQuist, when i start logkeys -s or when i conf map file is the same my log files are always empty
[06:53] <rostam> Hi what is alternate Ubuntu CD? is this a different than for example Ubuntu server? thx
[06:53] <MrQuist> i am using 13.10
[06:53] <squillow> its almost like apple didnt want anything but mac os x on this machine  :p
[06:53] <clue_h> is there anyway to stop my icons jiggling in the launcher when something opens ? ive been meaning to ask for ages
[06:54] <clue_h> sends me crazy
[06:54] <rostam> MrQuist, is 13.10 stable ?
[06:55] <clue_h> squillow, with persistence you'll win haha
[06:56] <squillow> well its been a while now with this problem
[06:56] <squillow> its preventing me from making this my field laptop because without a network to connect to it wont see other networks first
[06:56] <clue_h> rostam, last time i used it, it was less bulky and fit on a cd rom
[06:57] <horrow> anybody can help me with program logkeys im trying it from 2 days and no success
[07:01] <helmut_> hi
[07:01] <clue_h> squillow, perhaps a different interface , maybe 'wicd'. it could be network manager. long shot though
[07:02] <PN2> how to run crontab
[07:08] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys, can someone help out with this please?  libsqlite3-dev : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.7.9-2ubuntu1) but 3.7.9-2ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[07:08] <Wiz_KeeD> how can i fix such sitiuations?
[07:10] <pandaroot-gama> i am setting up a local repostory using debmirror
[07:10] <pandaroot-gama> the prob is that i am only able to download from main, not from restricted, universe and multiverse.
[07:14] <ObrienDave> pandaroot-gama::: sorry, came in late. do you have those repositories enabled?
[07:16] <pandaroot-gama> ObrienDave, yeah i have those repositories enabled.
[07:16] <pandaroot-gama> ObrienDave, it's ok mate :)
[07:17] <Wiz_KeeD> Any thoughts on that please?
[07:17] <Wiz_KeeD> tried apt-get clean and apt-get update but still doesn't work
[07:18] <bazhang> Wiz_KeeD, what is your end goal here, what prompts that
[07:21] <squillow> clue_h: i wanted to let you know that installing wicd somehow made it work through a reboot with network manager
[07:22] <jshriver> greetings
[07:22] <jshriver> by chance does anyone know how or recommend a torrent server for Ubuntu?  I have over 200gigs of scientific data I'm trying to share.
[07:23] <jshriver> Due to concerns, I'm looking for something that is pretty closed off.. noone can add anything except me. Trying to alleviate some stress from my main web box. Tips are appreciated.
[07:27] <houser> how do i restart skype when it crashes without restarting the whole computer?
[07:27] <horrow> Somebody pls help me config LOGKEYS on ubuntu 12.04 64bit
[07:29] <jshriver> exit
[07:33] <horrow> Somebody pls help me config LOGKEYS on ubuntu 12.04 64bit
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> !info logkeys
[07:38] <BlackDex_> Hello there... i have some unaligned icons on my desktop for a while... and i'm wondering how to fix that... i can't find anything which could help me
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> hmm theres not a align icons on the right click menu?
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> You could just hide all icons on the desktop. ;)
[07:40] <BlackDex> Dr_Willis: LoL...
[07:40] <BlackDex> well i use the "Keep Aligned" option
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> i dont have any icons at all on my Ubuntu desktops
[07:40] <BlackDex> but that shifts the icon's out of alignment
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> they got funny names? I cant recall ever seeing the issue. wondered if a long name may goof things up
[07:41] <BlackDex> hmm
[07:41] <k3pl3r16> is there anyone that is can help recover a home partition?
[07:41] <k3pl3r16> I have installed ubuntu from a slackware install and im missing my files on a separate home partition
[07:42] <jyhc> Can I install v3.11-saucy mainline kernel onto a fresh 13.04.2 xubuntu install?
[07:42] <k3pl3r16> df shows that they are there but no files are shown
[07:42] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: from a slackware install ?
[07:42] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: how did you install it from slackware ?
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16:  no files are shown where exactly?  ls   dosent show the files?
[07:42] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, I had slackware installed just before and a separate home
[07:42] <ikonia> jyhc: why would you do that ?
[07:42] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so you didn't actually install it from slackware
[07:42] <BlackDex> Dr_Willis: It seems to be the naming and being on the right side of the screen, it will misalign
[07:42] <opalepatrick> anyone know of a reasonably current command line csv to xml tool?
[07:42] <BlackDex> didn't tought about that
[07:43] <BlackDex> thx
[07:43] <jyhc> ikonia: I need some patches in 3.11 for my system
[07:43] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, yes sorry i had slackware installed previously
[07:43] <horrow> exit
[07:43] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: how did you install ubuntu
[07:43] <k3pl3r16> I installed ubuntu and kept the home partition
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> BlackDex:   :) i never put icons on the right side either..  thats where my COnky stuff is at ;P
[07:43] <jyhc> ikonia: it will work, right? just wget kernel headers and image, dpkg install
[07:43] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, live cd
[07:43] <ikonia> jyhc: nope
[07:43] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: and did you install it to the same disk, different disk, ?
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16:  so you cd to where the files are at. and use 'ls' do you see themn? what do you see exactly?
[07:44] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, same disk 1tb
[07:44] <jyhc> ikonia: so how can I get 3.11 on 13.04.2?
[07:44] <k3pl3r16> Dr_Willis, nothing all folders are blank
[07:44] <jyhc> there is no v3.11-raring
[07:44] <ikonia> jyhc: wait for an official package, or make your own and pin it properly
[07:44] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so are you trying to view the files from slackware ?
[07:45] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, no i removed slackware and installed ubuntu
[07:45] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so are you in ubuntu now ?
[07:45] <k3pl3r16> yes
[07:45] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, fresh install
[07:45] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so why do you think there are no files ?
[07:45] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: as you're in ubuntu, so there obviously are files
[07:45] <k3pl3r16> because when I type ls or look in nautilus nothing shows folder is empty
[07:46] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: what folder are you looking at ?
[07:46] <jyhc> ikonia: OK. can you link me some documentation on how to make my own?
[07:46] <jyhc> ikonia: or what should I search for
[07:46] <ikonia> jyhc: not got anything to hand
[07:46] <k3pl3r16> my music pictures videos etc are not showing even with sudo but df shows that 5% of the home folder is used
[07:46] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: what folder are you looking at ?
[07:46] <Mr_Mulll> er
[07:47] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: what is the full path of the folder you are looking at
[07:47] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, the ones in home music,pictures,video etc
[07:47] <Mr_Mulll> who was it arguing with me that the USB won't boot cause of a graphics problem?
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16:   you mean 5% of the home partion?
[07:47] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: are you trying to use the /home partition from your slackware installed ?
[07:47] <k3pl3r16> /home/k3pl3r16/Music
[07:47] <k3pl3r16> no I no longer have slackware installed
[07:47] <k3pl3r16> I replaced this with Ubuntu
[07:47] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: have you put the files into your home directory ?
[07:48] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, I have used the same parttiton,same username for the/home folder
[07:48] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: so you are trying to use the /home partition from the slackware install ?
[07:49] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, yes
[07:49] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, i did not format this
[07:49] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: I suspect when you selected it, you didnt remove the "format" tick box
[07:49] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: I'm sorry, if there are no files in that directory, it's either a.) not mounted b.) formated
[07:49] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: is the /home partition mounted ?
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16: 5% of a partion is normally reserved when formated for root emergancy ussage.
[07:49] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, I did gparted and df show that it has 36GB used
[07:49] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: is the /home partition mounted ?
[07:50] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, Dr_Willis  good point I;ll check
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> k3pl3r16:  you may want to pastebin the output of 'mount'  'sudo blkid' and 'sudo fdisk -l'
[07:51] <k3pl3r16> Dr_Willis,  ikonia , yup it is mounted
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> if its the home directory/partion from a difffent disrto. then the ownership of the files may be all messed up. the root user SHOULD still be able to see the files and chown/chmod them to be owneable by your proper user.
[07:54] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: can you please pastebin the output of the command "mount" and the command "df -h" please.
[07:54] <k3pl3r16> Dr_Willis, ikonia here is the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/6091456/
[07:55] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: please show me the ouptut of "df -h" in a pastebin
[07:55] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: why are you partitions btrfs
[07:56] <k3pl3r16> df command http://paste.ubuntu.com/6091463/
[07:56] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, that is my home
[07:56] <ikonia> k3pl3r16: home is empty
[07:57] <k3pl3r16> home is /dev/sda7 and it says that it is 5% used
[07:57] <k3pl3r16> 36GB
[07:57] <ikonia> home is /dev/sda6
[07:57] <ikonia> /dev/sda6      823330976 38793852 784355664   5% /home
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, Dr_Willis found it
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> sorry I thought that sda7 was home but there is another partition /dev/sda6
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> this is not mounted
[07:58] <phpjunkies> ae
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> sorry for wasting you time
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> thank
[07:58] <k3pl3r16> you
[07:58] <ikonia> no problem
[08:00] <k3pl3r16> ikonia, I was confused because /home said that it was 5% used and 36GB
[08:00] <k3pl3r16> but this was /dev/sda7
[08:02] <DJones> k3pl3r16: THe 5% used could well be the default reserved disk space that Ubuntu reserves for use by the operating system
[08:03] <DJones> k3pl3r16: Ubuntu reserves 5% by default
[08:04] <k3pl3r16> DJones, but this was on the home partition that is why i got confused
[08:04] <k3pl3r16> DJones, all good have my stuff back now
[08:05] <DJones> k3pl3r16: I could be wrong, but I thought the 5% applied to all partitions regardless, but good to see you've got your stuff back
[08:05] <elr90>  #linux
[08:08] <k3pl3r16> DJones, yeah I don't know I should have read df better
[08:21] <ssshvb> is it possible to copy a few files from different folders if i have a pls file from Rhythmbox 2.97 . ?  A pls file is a playlist  folder so i guess it contain the name of the file and  the  path  to it .
[08:26] <ssshvb> i asked the developer bu they did not reply
[08:27] <ssshvb> but*
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> ssshvb: if you can grep the file names out, I don't see why not
[08:31] <edo_y> does anyone know how to install oracle on Mac?? I tried any ways but they don't work at all
[08:33] <phaedra> edo_y: You may have a better chance asking in #MacOSX
[08:34] <edo_y> phaedra Ok i'll ask it there.
[08:35] <pythonuklearner> webczat: /join #oracle
[08:35] <pythonuklearner> sorry
[08:35] <pythonuklearner> was for me :)
[08:36] <sidt> ping
[08:37] <sidt> quit
[08:40] <Bagheera> morning all
[08:41] <gartral> hi
[08:52] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem with xscreensaver, don't authenticate even with correct password
[08:53] <MoL0ToV> also gnome-screensaver
[09:04] <FooBarWidget> which channel should I go to for help on ubuntu packaging?
[09:05] <DJones> FooBarWidget: Might be worth trying #ubuntu-app-devel
[09:06] <geirha> Isn't that for mobile apps?
[09:06] <DJones> I didn't think so, I thought it was for any Ubuntu app's
[09:07] <FooBarWidget> I'll just ask here. how do I use ccache when using pbuilder to build packages?
[09:07] <FooBarWidget> or, more specifically, pbuilder-dist
[09:07] <FooBarWidget> the documentation says that it's supposed to "automatically" use ccache but that doesn't appear to be the case
[09:16] <adzy> ZFS question: is it normal for txg_sync to be writing to disk every 5 seconds? I've had this pool running for a week, and this is the first time I've noticed it
[09:23] <opalepatrick> seem to be having this problem regularly since upgrade - Error: unable to create tmp file in /usr/bin/scripts (for instance)
[09:23] <opalepatrick> any ideas?
[09:26] <opalepatrick> permission... saved as su
[09:37] <ubilli> can any one help i am havung problems with installing skype on my ubuntu....?
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> !skype
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> adzy: are there any bugs reported?
[09:40] <adzy> ActionParsnip - not that I'm aware of
[09:45] <ubilli> please i try this command but it did not work... sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[09:56] <jimmy32> Hi.  How can I search in a folder and subfolders for .html files which contain a string?
[09:57] <ikonia> jimmy32: grep ?
[09:57] <Moscherkobold> hello everyone, is it possible to create a wlan hotspot with my ubuntu laptop? It is connected to cable LAN atm
[09:57] <cfhowlett> !share
[09:57] <ikonia> Moscherkobold: there are software packages to make your wifi card a hotspot as long as the card supports it
[09:58] <ikonia> !ics | Moscherkobold
[09:58] <Moscherkobold> great thx
[09:58] <jimmy32> ikonia, what is the exact command?
[09:59] <ikonia> jimmy32: try to at least work these things out, grep -R string *.html
[10:00] <geirha> jiffe99: find . -name "*.html" -exec grep string /dev/null {} +
[10:00] <geirha> err, was meant for jimmy32
[10:01] <vtux> h
[10:01] <geirha> ikonia: That will only search through html files in the current dir
[10:01] <ikonia> -R is revursive
[10:01] <ikonia> recursive
[10:01] <geirha> ikonia: Yes, but you don't give it any directories to recurse through. Only files.
[10:02] <nrdb> can anyone tell me why this simple python program http://paste.ubuntu.com/6091814/ does not display an icon?  I have been looking at lots of examples but none help!
[10:02] <nerdtron> find commands defaults to recursive isn't it
[10:02] <ikonia> geirha: ahh, I missed it yes, no directory called *.html
[10:02] <ikonia> good sport
[10:02] <ikonia> spot
[10:03] <geirha> nerdtron: yes
[10:04] <nrdb> I have failed to get anything visible.  Including the commented out lines.
[10:04] <MrQuist> Aww :(
[10:06] <Dry_Lips> Hi guys, I'm trying to install phpmyadmin, and I get this error message: http://pastebin.com/fvKpNQme
[10:06] <Dry_Lips> Any suggestions?
[10:08] <nrdb> Dry_Lips, you need a database user called 'root' or install as different user.
[10:09] <Dry_Lips> nrdb, well, I thought one was set up automatically?
[10:11] <USAtrucker> (must try to NOT be a smart a**)
[10:11] <nrdb> Dry_Lips, try and connect to the data as root, I think you will find you can't.  I have never use phpmyadmin thou
[10:12] <Wiz_KeeD> Hello Everyone
[10:12] <Mace268> i think he may just need to add a password for the root db user
[10:12] <Wiz_KeeD> I have managed to erase my ubuntu installation running a command like apt-get remove libsqllit3.* or something like that...
[10:12] <Wiz_KeeD> removed, EVERYTHING
[10:13] <Wiz_KeeD> So I have to take things seriously
[10:13] <Mace268> mysql root is different than system root, they're not related
[10:13] <Wiz_KeeD> And learn about package manager and how it handles things, can I please be informed on how I can view my last command as root in the broken installation? I have access to the folders
[10:14] <Dry_Lips> I've already got a passwd for mySQL root... , Mace268  I think you set it up when installing mySQL
[10:15] <nrdb> Wiz_KeeD, try .bash_history
[10:16] <nrdb> can anyone tell me why this simple python program http://paste.ubuntu.com/6091814/ does not display an icon?  I have been looking at lots of examples but none help!  And trying many slightly different args to the functions.
[10:17] <Wiz_KeeD> sudo apt-get remove libsqlite3-0sudo apt-get remove libsqlite3-0
[10:17] <Wiz_KeeD> This removed everything! :(
[10:26] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: describe everything?
[10:26] <Wiz_KeeD> Monotoko: python,firefox,gnome,Dropbox....everything
[10:27] <Wiz_KeeD> Now i'm on a live cd trying to move my personal files and folders onto an external hard-drive because ubuntu doesn't boot anymore
[10:27] <Monotoko> do you have a log of exactly what it removed? All of those use sqlite, it's not a good idea to remove it
[10:28] <Monotoko> why did you try to remove it?
[10:28]  * nrdb I verify what is going to be removed before saying continue.
[10:29] <Monotoko> generally it's not a good idea to remove any libs ubuntu comes with
[10:29] <Monotoko> they're packaged in there for a reason
[10:29] <Wiz_KeeD> pfff...had no idea, because I needed to install it for a ruby application to work and it conflicted with that
[10:30] <ss_haze> how to restore lightdm-gtk-greeter
[10:30] <Monotoko> ss_haze: what did you do?
[10:31] <ss_haze> kubuntu-backport repository gave update, that overtrow it for lightdm-kde-greeter
[10:31] <Monotoko> have you tried apt-get install lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[10:31] <ss_haze> deleting kde-greeter or reinstalling gtk-greeter made it crash on bootup
[10:32] <ss_haze> I have it installed
[10:32] <Wiz_KeeD> I have saved my files in home opt adn var
[10:32] <Wiz_KeeD> Now I can remove everything I suppose?
[10:32] <Wiz_KeeD> Since I want a reinstall
[10:32] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: you only really needed /home
[10:33] <Monotoko> don't try to use your old /var or /opt with the new installation
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> ah no, I will jsut extract personal files from there
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> There some in opt and a few in var/www
[10:33] <ss_haze> every random user will be persucueted with terminal, after this crash
[10:33] <Monotoko> yeah that's fine, go for the reinstallation
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> But with that in mind it's enough I guess right?
[10:33] <ss_haze> if they will delete kde-greeter
[10:33] <ss_haze> so
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> Pfuu
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> I want to install windows 8 as well
[10:33] <ss_haze> why the hell, things like this happen
[10:34] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: install Windows 8 first
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> When I return, could you suggest a method of image auto-backup Monotoko so If i mess up something bad i can always recover
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> installing wrong packages or disasters like this?
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> for ubuntu 12.04
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> Since I think it's the best option?
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> Unless you have other suggestions
[10:35] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: I'd just do a reinstall if I'm honest, unless you want full off-site backups
[10:35] <Wiz_KeeD> Yes but I would want to recover the yesterday or an hour ago before i ran some stupid apt-get install command
[10:35] <Wiz_KeeD> But I will come for advice here for any package I install...i had enough
[10:35] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: Snapshots then
[10:35] <CatKiller> that's the solution for that
[10:35] <Wiz_KeeD> CatKiller: that sounds good!
[10:36] <Wiz_KeeD> how you go about that?
[10:36] <Wiz_KeeD> And do you recommend ubuntu 12.04 or some other version?
[10:36] <Wiz_KeeD> I like this one since it's LTS and has somewhat updated package repositories
[10:36] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: Either block based (with LVM) or filesystem based (don't know what's best. zfs does it)
[10:36] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: I use 12.04 but I'm sure 13.04 is good too
[10:36] <CatKiller> doesn't really matter
[10:36] <Monotoko> Wiz_KeeD: You'd need somewhere to store them, then just use snapshotting software
[10:36] <CatKiller> unless you've got some incompatibility
[10:36] <Wiz_KeeD> 13.04 is not lts and is not that updated with packages managers
[10:36] <Monotoko> there is plenty out there
[10:37] <Wiz_KeeD> Okay, can i come back and ask for help on-site once i've installed 12.04 in dual boot with windows?
[10:37] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: sorry your window for help has only 3.56 minutes left!
[10:37] <Wiz_KeeD> haha :)))
[10:37] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: See you in a bit :)
[10:38] <Wiz_KeeD> Though i'm not 100% sure How i will go about that, I install windows 8 and when I partition the hard-disk I should leave some for Ubuntu or...?
[10:38] <Wiz_KeeD> should install chat on my phone
[10:38] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: What you need to do:
[10:38] <Wiz_KeeD> I'm listening carefully CatKiller
[10:38] <CatKiller> 1. Before installing Windows, using either Ubuntu or Windows tools, partition your drive and leave *blank space* for Ubuntu
[10:38] <CatKiller> 2. Install windows on the partition you created
[10:39] <CatKiller> 3. Install Ubuntu, in theory the installer will detect you have another OS and should be able to take the space unused, partition it and *install LVM*
[10:39] <CatKiller> that's important because since newer revisions of Ubuntu use LVM
[10:39] <CatKiller> it's now possible to create snapshots "out of the box"
[10:39] <CatKiller> only thing though is that you'll need some space to store the snapshots, so I'd still wouldn't use all of the free space
[10:40] <CatKiller> leave out maybe 10% of the drive
[10:40] <CatKiller> for whatever use like snapshots
[10:40] <Wiz_KeeD> So 2 partitions for Windows (C:/ and D:/) and blank space for Ubuntu then another 10% for LVM?
[10:40] <K1CKA55> Hello how do i revert my default kernel. right now i was able to select the right kernel via grub so i reckon it's still installed buti want to make my default kernel
[10:40] <CatKiller> so 1 partition for Windows, Ubuntu will create another partition and use it for LVM (you have to tell it to use LVM), but make sure to tell it not to use all of the free remaining space
[10:40] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: That sounds good
[10:41] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: But 2 partitions + blank space
[10:41] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD: *then* when you install Ubuntu, it will partition the disk further and that's when you tell it to leave 10% free
[10:41] <Wiz_KeeD> 50 gigs of blank space for Ubuntu and the rest divided in two for Windows
[10:41] <Wiz_KeeD> ahh yes yes
[10:41] <Wiz_KeeD> Got it...
[10:41] <CatKiller> 50Gigs for Ubuntu and then at the end of your install
[10:42] <CatKiller> you should be left with all your partitions and 5G free for snapshots
[10:42] <Wiz_KeeD> The world would be such a beautiful place if it was more similar to this chanel and people like you CatKiller , thank you so much for your support, I leave my phone on if I run intro trouble like the idiot I know I am
[10:42] <Wiz_KeeD> brb
[10:42] <sparks56> ##hamradio
[10:46] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD-Android: Here's a nice guide for after: http://www.tutonics.com/2012/12/lvm-guide-part-2-snapshots.html
[10:46] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> wow, goldmine!
[10:47] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> on phone now
[10:47] <Takumo> Anyone got php-fpm working chrooted?
[10:47] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> now i have to make a usb stick bootable fot windoes
[10:47] <Takumo> I can't get mine to resolve DNS, does mount --rbind even work for a chroot?
[10:48] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> bookmarked on phone CatKiller !
[10:48] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD-Android: Cool
[10:48] <tokern3> hi. how can i disable unity notification?
[10:49] <tokern3> it popup in the middle of my work. and it is tooooooo bad
[10:49] <tokern3>  hi. how can i disable unity notification? it popup in the middle of my work. and it is tooooooo bad
[10:50] <CatKiller> Takumo: Maybe the /etc/resolv.conf file isn't accessible?
[10:52] <Takumo> I tried copying /etc/resolv.conf /etc/nsswitch.conf and /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_*.so*
[10:53] <CatKiller> Takumo: Not sure then, sorry
[10:54] <Takumo> That's where I got to CatKiller , but I've still not found out how to fix it. I'd chroot into it myself but I get "/usr/bin/zsh to many symlink"
[10:54] <CatKiller> Good luck with that :)
[10:57] <amjad_> hello
[10:57] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> pfff now thisnis good! The windows iso is 4.5 gigs and the dvd which are allegedly 4.7 do not have enough space to burn to
[10:57] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> and nobody here has a uab stick :/...
[10:58] <Ben64> Wiz_KeeD-Android: ok... maybe ask someone in ##windows ?
[11:00] <CatKiller> Wiz_KeeD-Android: You need a dual layer otherwise
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive ever noticed a 4.7 GB DVD disk
[11:01] <rhumbot> hi all, when booting my system is getting a black screen since i updated my ubuntu 12.04. I get a "stoppinh system V runlevel compatibility" message. i googled lots of methods to fix this but nothing worked. can anyone help me? i really need to restore the system and cant just reinstall
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset | rhumbot
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> rhumbot:  also test out the  'text' mode to see if you can get to a console.
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> !text
[11:06] <mfiskindal> yiğit
[11:07] <mfiskindal> hello
[11:13] <ni232925> hi .  anyone know how you disable echi_hcd in ubuntu 12.10 ?
[11:14] <rhumbot> Dr_Willis setting nomodeset got me stuck in a a purple screen instead of a black one ...
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> rhumbot:  try the 'text' mode option
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> 'noquiet nosplash nofb text nomodeset'   turns off about everything i can think of and should get you to a standard login: console prompt
[11:16] <pierre940> hey, I am reinstall ubuntu and I want to re-use an encrypted volume
[11:16] <pierre940> how do I do this? (in the installer)
[11:17] <pierre940> all data on it needs to stay intact
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> make backups - would be the Best thing to do. just in case
[11:17] <pierre940> that is what I am doing now\
[11:17] <pierre940> but it kinda beats the purpose of an separate /home partition
[11:17] <pierre940> having to format it each time
[11:18] <pandaroot-gama> is this available as pdf ? -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[11:19] <jrib> pandaroot-gama: doubtful, but the official help.ubuntu.com guides are I believe (visit that link) and there's also the ubuntu manual
[11:19] <pierre940> I seem to remember you can re-use previously encrypted volumes (not LVM perse) using the alternate CD
[11:19] <jrib> !manual | pierre940
[11:20] <jrib> pandaroot-gama: the message above from ubottu was for you
[11:20] <pandaroot-gama> thanks jrib
[11:20] <pandaroot-gama> :)
[11:24] <pierre940> lol
[11:24] <pierre940> the installer can't even re-mount the volume
[11:24] <pierre940> luckily I can still boot my system
[11:25] <jrib> pierre940: what kind of encryption are you using on /home/
[11:25] <pierre940> not sure, the one that is usable on all partitions
[11:25] <pierre940> the one that is no file based
[11:25] <pierre940> don't know it's name to be honest
[11:25] <jrib> pierre940: so not ecryptfs on each user's home?
[11:25] <pierre940> nope
[11:26] <pierre940> that's for sure
[11:26] <jrib> pierre940: ok
[11:29] <rhumbot> Dr_Willis it all changed: i cant get to the grub 2 menu. shift and or escape wont help. they just bring me to the console during the loading screen.
[11:40] <NastyNaz> im using nano to write simple python scripts. Can anyone recommend some easy-to-use version control system that automatically backsup my scripts so I can revert to a previous version later on?
[11:40] <pierre940> NastyNaz, there are no automatic version control systems
[11:40] <pierre940> you always have to create your own revisions
[11:41] <pierre940> what you can do however is use dropbox for example
[11:41] <pierre940> it keeps up to 15 previous versions of a file
[11:41] <pierre940> but this is horrible when working on a project with multiple files
[11:41] <NastyNaz> so there isn't an easier way than renaming the file each time? I was hoping for something like a localised version of dropbox
[11:41] <jrib> NastyNaz: i suggest you learn git (or some other currently popular vcs)
[11:41] <pierre940> indeed
[11:42] <pierre940> that is, if you want to have a future in software development you will have to learn git sooner or later
[11:42] <pierre940> NastyNaz, not saying it doesn't exist, but I don't know of any such program
[11:43] <NastyNaz> right now I'm using it for some math modelling. my scripts are maximum 50-100 lines. was hoping there was a way that doesnt involve the timesink of having to learn git
[11:43] <NastyNaz> ok thanks
[11:43] <pierre940> NastyNaz, http://try.github.io/levels/1/challenges/1
[11:43] <jrib> NastyNaz: you can learn enough for what you are doing in about 10 minutes; actually, probably less than the time you've spent in this channel
[11:43] <pierre940> it really isn't that hard
[11:43] <pierre940> if you follow those challenges you know enough
[11:44] <pierre940> and it is localized as long as you don't add a 'remote'
[11:44] <jrib> NastyNaz: git init (do this once).  git add file.py; git commit -m 'fixed foo to do bar' file.py (rinse and repeat)
[11:44] <somsip> NastyNaz: FYI, this is close (but not the same) but the answers may be helpful: http://is.gd/ONjHgU
[11:45] <NastyNaz> I didn't know it was that simple. Thanks I'll have a look at it
[11:45] <jrib> NastyNaz: slowly, you can learn more as you need/want to do more.  That's the best way to approach it.  The git-scm.com book is great
[11:52] <cellfrost> cz?
[11:52] <DJones> !cz | cellfrost
[11:52] <cellfrost> ok
[11:55] <Zeckion32> #linux OS made easy
[11:55] <toddaaro> anyone around who can help with xorg issues? have tried both radeon and fglrx and I can't get any screends detected
[11:55] <toddaaro> variety of crashes, segfaults, etc.
[11:57] <aneesh_> what is best way to increase the size of ubuntu server . My root folder is already full .
[11:58] <aneesh_> or is it possible to mount the /home folder to another harddisk
[11:58] <jrib> !separatehome | aneesh_
[11:58] <aneesh_> thanks jrib ubottu
[12:01] <Moscherkobold> ikonia: i was able to create a adhoc network but unfortunately my smartphone can not see it, but the wifi scan widget shows the network
[12:01] <pipo201> ciao
[12:02] <pipo201> !list
[12:03] <pipo201> !list
[12:03] <pierre940> 0_o
[12:04] <DJones> pipo201: This isn't a file sharing network, that command doesn't work here
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: uninstall old kernels and run:  sudo apt-get clean
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: there s no single best way to do anyting
[12:06] <mr-blah> I cannot get ubuntu to install.
[12:07] <MrQuist> thats too bad.
[12:07] <mr-blah> It won't install grub
[12:07] <rhumbot> could someone support me with my "Stopping System V runlevel compatibility" problem?
[12:07] <mr-blah> says that it installs, then boots to windows
[12:07] <rhumbot> im loading into a black screen
[12:07] <rhumbot> nomodeset didnt help
[12:08] <mr-blah> at startup it says 'couldn't load boot/efi' then goes to windows
[12:10] <mr-blah> could this be intel anti theft, or this oprom setting?
[12:11] <mr-blah> I'm about to give up on it.
[12:12] <lkeijser> hi, how to I report a bug in a package (resource-agents) for ubuntu 12.04.2 ?
[12:13] <mr-blah> worse yet, ubuntu messed up my windows install, so now the ethernet won't work
[12:15] <jrib> !bug | lkeijser
[12:16] <mr-blah> why is ubuntu such a pain w laptops?
[12:16] <lkeijser> jrib: thanks
[12:17] <mr-blah> I have the boot repair cd, no luck there
[12:18] <Ben64> !efi | mr-blah
[12:18] <mr-blah> Ben64: already looked at it, tried it; didn't work
 ok
[12:20] <zaggynl> Hi, I'm trying to install the adaptec 5404 drivers but I can't find a 12.04 driver here: http://www.adaptec.com/en-us/support/raid/sas_raid/sas-5405/
[12:20] <Ben64> mr-blah: you might have to turn off secureboot and/or set the bios to bios emulation mode
[12:20] <Moscherkobold> any idea about that: I was able to create a adhoc network but unfortunately my smartphone can not see it, but the wifi scan widget shows the network
[12:21] <aneesh_> ActionParsnip can add new hardisk to existing server and move the home folder to that harddisk
[12:21] <mr-blah> Ben64: i turned off secure boot
[12:22] <mr-blah> Ben64: and i don't know what bios emulatin mode is.
[12:22] <Ben64> mr-blah: well i
[12:22] <Ben64> t'd be in your bios if the option exists
[12:23] <lkeijser> there, bug reported as a good open source user :)
[12:24] <lesshaste> what is the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade?
[12:24] <Ben64> the man page for apt-get has the answer
[12:25] <Moscherkobold> lesshaste: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/apt/apt-get?redirect=no
[12:25] <lesshaste> it says "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade,  also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages"
[12:26] <lesshaste> but then what does upgrade do?
[12:26] <lesshaste> do it stupidly?
[12:26] <Ben64> the man page says what upgrade does as well
[12:26] <mr-blah> Ben64: it looks as if my hd has no efi partition. could that be the problem?
[12:27] <lesshaste> ah.. the difference is that dist-upgrade might remove some packages?
[12:27] <unknown__> i got a question
[12:27] <Ben64> lesshaste: and add some, yes
[12:27] <lesshaste> ok thanks
[12:27] <unknown__> So i have this skiller keyboard
[12:27] <unknown__> its wired connected
[12:27] <unknown__> but ubuntu 12.10
[12:27] <unknown__> don't support it
[12:27] <unknown__> is there any way to make it work?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: suer, you can mount the partitions as user home folders if you want
[12:31] <mr-blah> how large should the boo efi parttion be?
[12:31] <unknown__> ubuntu 12.10 don't support my keyboard any idea?
[12:32] <Ben64> unknown__: the keyboard is broken? the port is broken? none of your usb ports are working? we have no way of knowing without more details.
[12:33] <unknown__> Ben64: nothing is broken
[12:34] <unknown__> everything its working the drivers are not supported in ubuntu
[12:34] <unknown__> when i first installed ubuntu 13.10
[12:34] <unknown__> keyboard was fine
[12:34] <unknown__> i switched to 12.10 and the keyboard is not working
[12:35] <Ben64> unknown__: why would you downgrade
[12:36] <unknown__> I found 12.10 a better version
[12:36] <Ben64> well you'll need to upgrade to 13.10 before january or lose support
[12:37] <unknown__> If i do it i'll lose my stuff?
[12:37] <unknown__> no right?
[12:37] <Ben64> shouldn't, but you should have backups anyway
[12:38] <unknown__> can skype 12.4 version work with 13.10?
[12:38] <ARW0> heyo
[12:38] <unknown__> hi
[12:38] <DJones> unknown__: You'll be better asking about 13.10 in #ubuntu+1 thats the support channel for the development version
[12:40] <unknown__> what version of ubuntu are you guys running?
[12:40] <tasslehoff> Anyone know if it's possible to use both the displayport and the vga output on a lenovo t530 at the same time?
[12:40] <gordonjcp> unknown__: 10.04, 12.04, 12.10, 13.04 and 13.10
[12:41] <an3k> sorry for making fun of you all the time till two days ago ... when I installed Ubuntu the first time. It was like the move from Symbian^3 to iOS. Now it's peramently running on my notebook :)
[12:43] <an3k> while windows 7 never could get the notebook getting warm and always had a ugly design, Ubuntu heats its up as hell (=it knows how to use the hardware) and looks very nice too :)
[12:44] <an3k> I just can't run it on my computer. Installation runs well but after logging in the first time the systems first starts to lag extremely and completely freezes ~20 seconds later
[12:44] <unknown__> How can i upgrade all my drivers usin terminal?
[12:44] <Sj__> hi
[12:45] <unknown__> hi
[12:45] <Sj__> any help on X11 entensions?
[12:45] <an3k> I tried the x64 version first but since the sys hang up i tried the x86 one but here I have the exact same problem.
[12:45] <Sj__> i'm getting "xcomposite required" error when i launch my application
[12:45] <an3k> maybe because nVIDIA? Once I saw a "typical gfx card error"
[12:45] <Sj__> any packages do i need to install?
[12:46] <Sj__> glxinfo |grep "OpengGL" output is this
[12:46] <Sj__> OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300) OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.4 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 OpenGL extensions:
[12:47] <ferr> sup does anyone know why do I need double click for signs like ¨ ! and etc on my keyboard
[12:47] <Alvein> hi all
[12:47] <Alvein> can network card stop transfer data with active link?
[12:48] <philinux> unknown__: what version are you running and what do you want to do
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: you will need to copy data over then mount at boot, or you can mount it as one of the folders in a user's $HOME and use it for casual data
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> Sj__: what video chip do you use?
[12:51] <g105b> I'm developing an app that uses the Webcam, but my dev machine doesn't have a camera - is there a way I can use an image/video source as a "fake" webcam so my app sees the device?
[12:52] <toby10ant> Hi, I'm looking to become more involved with ubuntu community, is ubuntu jam a physical meetup? Is much happening in england?
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> g105b: http://hardc0l2e.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/fake-webcam-in-ubuntu-linux/
[12:53] <DJones> toby10ant: There is a UK based channel #ubuntu-uk that it will probably be worth asking in
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> g105b: http://askubuntu.com/questions/139239/fake-a-webcam-using-a-video-loopback-device
[12:54] <toby10ant> Djones: thanks :)
[12:56] <mrrcp> anyone here on 12.04 with virtualbox?
[12:56] <mrrcp> how do i get the usb to work?
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: do you have the guest additions installed?
[12:59] <mn3na3a> question, i get kernel panic when i log out...what should i do?
 this is what exaclty i am looking for. Mounting as folder in users home directory
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> aneesh_: then make a folder and add an entry for it in /etc/fstab
[13:00] <mrrcp> ActionParsnip: i guess not
[13:00] <mrrcp> it isnt working lol
[13:00] <mrrcp> how do i do that
[13:00] <mrrcp> so ActionParsnip .. should i install with apt-get or the files off the virtbox site?
[13:01] <mrrcp> i had a kernal error with the apt-get install so i went to the site
[13:01] <aneesh_> ActionParsnip ok
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: its a menu option in the top of the virtual OS window
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: there are _tonnes_ of how to videos on YouTube for this...
[13:02] <unknown__> how to upgrade my ubntu version?
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | unknown__
[13:03] <mrrcp> so should i use the apt-get install or the one off the site?
[13:03] <mn3na3a> anyone can help me about kernel panic?
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: that wont give you guest additions
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> mrrcp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84boOmiPW8
[13:06] <north> Hey all, I need help in screen/window highlighting while doing screencasts
[13:06] <north> any suggestions ?
[13:08] <universal> how to make wifi keyboard led to blink whenever data is sent or received sp as to signify data transfer ?
[13:11] <unknown__> any free vpn for linux?
[13:11] <compdoc> openvpn
[13:12] <aneesh_> ActionParsnip.  sorry  for asking this stupid question . I have already a folder named uploads in my home directory. I just need to move it to new hardisk. so you said mount it as one of the folders in a user's $HOME . which is location i need to specify on  fstab.
[13:13] <salamandre85> can some1 help me with a crash on Ubuntu 12.04LTS
[13:16] <salamandre85> updated to 3.5.0.40-generic headers, system accidentally loaded Win7 after restart
[13:17] <Yu-Yu> Hi! Does anyone use a2dp headset with Ubuntu 13.XX successfully?
[13:19] <BlitzHere> So, I'm confused. I'm all set to buy this laptop. http://www.flipkart.com/samsung-np350v5x-s01in-laptop-3rd-gen-ci5-4gb-500gb-dos-2gb-graph/p/itmdk6ybebthyjzt?pid=COMDK6Y9NHD8H8RX&otracker=browse&pageNum=2 . But it's got an AMD Radeon HD 7670M graphics card...and I keep reading horror stories about Ubuntu and AMD cards....
[13:20] <BlitzHere> Should I go ahead with the purchase or should I back off and buy something else?
[13:20] <BlitzHere> I don't want to spend too much time troubleshooting and setting up the computer
[13:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:21] <BlitzHere> I've heard from a couple of sources that things work just fine but I just want to put it out here and see what comes up...
[13:21] <Yu-Yu> BlitzHere: FYI, as for me, I do prefer AMD over Intel. While it's all your choice, still. And be I you, I could come and boot from LiveUSB to see myself.
[13:22] <BlitzHere> I have a
[13:23] <BlitzHere> Yu-Yu: I have a live USB for this purpose but I can only seem to find this particular laptop online :P....
[13:23] <Yu-Yu> BlitzHere: Yah, certainly I see that after-reading. ;D
[13:24] <BlitzHere> Yu-Yu: What AMD cards have you used and are there any quirks in Linux that I should be aware of?
[13:25] <BlitzHere> I do think I'll be playing some games on steam...so, I will probably want the Graphics acceleration from the proprietary drivers...
[13:25] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, for one thing... the proprietary driver, fglrx, is horrible most of the time (I think it might be okay for HD2000-4000, not sure).
[13:25] <theGrg> Hello. I see that medibuntu is no longer maintained. Any PPAs recommended?
[13:25] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, no fglrx is horrible, horrible 2d acceleration, and the open source drivers run your gpu HOT
[13:25] <Ari-Yang> until....
[13:26] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, check this out http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NjE
[13:27] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, right now, kernel 3.11 with Mesa from git is better than fglrx
[13:27] <Ari-Yang> (this is with open source drivers)
[13:27] <penguinRaider> I want to remove all the repos from /etc/apt/sources.list  that give 404 error I can do that manually one by one .But is there a way to remove them all at once from command line ?
[13:27] <BlitzHere> What's Ubuntu 13.10 going to use again?
[13:28] <universal> BlitzHere: you are paying so much so the laptop doesnt has thunderbolt and esata moreover camera at 1.3m is kinda very poor plus only upto Sata II is supported.....with so much money look for a Sata III interface
[13:28] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, not sure.... maybe ubuntu 13.10 will use kernel 3.11...
[13:28] <Ari-Yang> will it?
[13:31] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, ubuntu 13.10 will use kernel 3.11
[13:31] <pzn> I need to add a HP T120 printer to ubuntu. this printer is a continuous paper (60cm x 50meters) or A3 color inkjet. it uses PCL3. how can I add it to ubuntu?
[13:31] <Ari-Yang> !13.10
[13:31] <compdoc> next month
[13:32] <BlitzHere> universal: I'm not sure if I can find a better deal. I wanted 4 USB ports and a numpad. I'll look around a little bit more...
[13:33] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Thanks! I might be able to manage till next month...
[13:33] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, but I'm not sure if it will be using Mesa 9.2, the version where you can use UVD...
[13:33] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, atm I'm running kernel 3.11 on ubuntu 12.10
[13:34] <BlitzHere> Hmm, okay
[13:34] <bcc> any one got any ideas on what I can do when I log onto my laptop, second monitor is always "turned off".. have to unplug and plug it back in.. then okay
[13:35] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, I asked on #ubuntu+1 will let you know any new info I get
[13:35] <BlitzHere> I'm going to look at more laptops. Making sure of compatibility with Ubuntu is annoying. I just turned down a free Toshiba S55-A5294 because of issues with Ubuntu...
[13:37] <MrQuist> its already working
[13:38] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, just get a laptop with nvidia that has good performance with its proprietary drivers?
[13:38] <theGrg> Anyone recommends PPAs?
[13:39] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, if this laptop will only be for gaming, I recommend a laptop with Windows 7 on it....
[13:40] <salamandre85> hi all
[13:41] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Gaming is secondary. It's going to be a general purpose laptop. If it seems like AMD is too much trouble and I can't find anything decent with an Nvidia card, I'll just but something without a card...
[13:41] <salamandre85> I accidentally loaded windows after the latest update on 12.04LTS
[13:41] <flametai1> Hello everyone, I'm going to be installing Ubuntu 13.04 along Windows 8, is there still a "windows" installer for it? I can't remember the program that used to be able to install it right inside of windows. And no I'm not talking about any VMware or anything.
[13:42] <blazemore> !wubi
[13:42] <DJones> !uefi | flametai1
[13:42] <blazemore> flametai1: But I don't recommend it unless you KNOW you need that
[13:42] <blazemore> flametai1: I'd recommend just doing a regular installation on a real partition
[13:42] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, tbh AMD is kind of tricky, tbh I say you just roll with Nvidia.... why do you want to install ubuntu?
[13:42] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Maybe something like this. Apparently it's certified to run Ubuntu...
[13:42] <BlitzHere> http://www.flipkart.com/lenovo-thinkpad-e530-33661g0-laptop-3rd-gen-ci3-2gb-500gb-dos/p/itmdnyhdpwndkzdk?pid=COMDNYH9BXEGCHGM&otracker=browse&pageNum=1
[13:43] <Krisostoomus> New site up and running, tell me what U think of it(in contact information->comments): http://webchef.netau.net/
[13:43] <salamandre85> Login page doesn't load after Grub, just a flash of the TTL login then just a text cursor flashing in the corner
[13:43] <Yu-Yu> Krisostoomus: What?
[13:43] <flametai1> blazemore: Been having troubles making a bootable usb for some reason, keeps telling me "A problem with a system application has been detected" or something along those lines. Made the usb multiple times, never had trouble a long time ago doing it. And I have no CD-r's right now unfortunately
[13:43] <ChogyDan> flametai1: I don't think wubi is supported anymore
[13:44] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, I see... perhaps https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 ?
[13:44] <blazemore> flametai1: What are you using to make a bootable USB? And on what platform?
[13:45] <Yu-Yu> flametai1: Didn't you follow the guidelines on preparing LiveUSB at Ubuntu.com?
[13:45] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: If I was in the states, then I would have just bought a system76 laptop and been done with it...
[13:46] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, oh...
[13:46] <BlitzHere> I know they ship to India but customs can be a pain
[13:46] <flametai1> blazemore: And that's when I start the installer app. I'm using "Universal USB installer 1.9.4.1" on Windows 8, Yu-Yu I wasn't able to find those instructions haha, Been awhile since I used Ubuntu. I've also tried doing it manually too.
[13:46] <BlitzHere> Tax is about 18% apparently...
[13:47] <blazemore> flametai1: Take a look at LiLiUSB (my favourite) or unetbootin (community standard)
[13:47] <Yu-Yu> flametai1: It's directing you to use the it.
[13:47] <blazemore> flametai1: Then reboot your PC and boot from the USB drive
[13:47] <flametai1> blazemore: I used to use LiLi, couldn't remember the program though haha. Thank you for reminding me :D
[13:47] <Yu-Yu> Feels like it can't finish making up that USB pen.
[13:47] <flametai1> I'll be back
[13:49] <Charlos> Hello all !
[13:49] <Charlos> I have identified the Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H-USB3 as meeting my needs but before buying I wondered if anyone else was using that board and had anything to report, good or bad. for install in Ubuntu 13.04   ?
[13:49] <salamandre85> !ops
[13:49] <Pici> salamandre85: yes?
[13:50] <MrQuist> wat
[13:50] <Ari-Yang> ....
[13:50] <Pici> Okay then.
[13:50] <Charlos> ?
[13:50] <Charlos> what do u say  ?
[13:51] <Charlos> I have pc Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H-USB3  good or bad. for install in Ubuntu 13.04   ?
[13:51] <oynmrzber> !patience
[13:52] <smoores> Trouble with a cron script. It sends me an email but it's empty. If I take I execute the command on a shell without the script the email is full of it's text. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092565/
[13:53] <smoores> can you not pipe text through in a script? what should i do?
[13:53] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Ubuntu, when it works, is simpler and faster for me. I have a load of experience with Windows till Windows 7 and windows 8 terrible to the point that I want to kill the laptop.
[13:54] <Ari-Yang> BlitzHere, I see... well then get a laptop with a nvidia card that works just fine with ubuntu, sounds like you need to do some googling. good luck
[13:55] <Homely_Girl> Greetings holders of all Ubuntu knowledge!
[13:55] <BlitzHere> Ari-Yang: Thanks for all the help!
[13:55] <Ari-Yang> you're welcome
[13:55] <rostam> HI is the toolchain version has changed from LTS 12.04 to LTS 12.03 update 3?thx
[13:56] <universal> whats wrong with win7....it was good, though not as fast as xp, I haven't used win8  BlitzHere
[13:56] <universal> it is good now also...just not open
[13:57] <Ari-Yang> universal, doesn't really matter...
[13:57] <Homely_Girl> My Firefox needs a shockwave plug in, help?? I'm using Firefox on Ubuntu 12.04 (I think, the latest one) lol
[13:57] <Ari-Yang> this is a support channel for ubuntu universal, off topic stuff can be discussed on #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:58] <universal> Ari-Yang: better take your laptop help to ubuntu-offtopic
[13:58] <Ari-Yang> universal, pardon?
[13:59] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: Do you mean actual old shockwave plugin, or Adobe Flash?
[13:59] <Ari-Yang> universal, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, smells like you just want to fight :|
[14:00] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: The msg I'm getting is that page requires Adobe shockwave player. :(
[14:00] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: What page is it?
[14:00] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: You can install Adobe Flash with the package "flashplugin-installer". Adobe never made a version of Shockwave for Linux
[14:00] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: 2 secs I'll get it for you. it's a silly game I like (don't judge me)
[14:00] <universal> Ari-Yang: naah, I'm not interested - make yourself happy
[14:01] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: http://www.miniclip.com/games/adventure-elf
[14:01] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, maybe install adobe flash player plugin? run in terminal sudo apt-get install flashplugin installer
[14:02] <oynmrzber> Can someone who's not at work go on the above link and tell me if it's actual shockwave, or just flash?
[14:02] <Ari-Yang> lol you need shockwave
[14:03] <Ari-Yang> adobe shockwave player needs to be installed
[14:03] <universal> !info shockwave
[14:03] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: That did not work, shall I copy the error?
[14:03] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: Yes
[14:04] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, I don't think there is a shockwave player for linux...
[14:04] <Ari-Yang> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ take a look there, Homely_Girl
[14:04] <fidel> a simple "apt-cache search shockwave" lists some gnash-packages which might help. no personal experience with that topic
[14:05] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: I pasted it in paste bin now what? :)
[14:06] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: Now tell me the URL
[14:06] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, then you'd probably run sudo apt-get install gnash
[14:06] <Ari-Yang> based on what fidel said
[14:06] <Lunar_Lamp> Homely_Girl: this might be helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[14:07] <Homely_Girl> Thanks everyone, info overload!! lol
[14:07] <BlitzHere> universal: I don't know. It seems heavy, bloated and prone to getting messed up with some random piece of crap or the other. Not to mention the anti virus apps are annoying to the point that they feel like viruses themselves.
[14:07] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash
[14:07] <BlitzHere> Then you have the fact that every single windows system I've taken care of slowed down in a year
[14:08] <universal> BlitzHere: true...go with Dell, they have pre-installed ubuntu machines
[14:08] <ChogyDan> Homely_Girl: I think the wine route is the only one
[14:08] <BlitzHere> I'd actually pick a Mac over windows and day
[14:09] <Ari-Yang> ChogyDan, no it's not...
[14:09] <Homely_Girl> ChogyDan: I think I'll stick to my dual boot for now. ;)
[14:09] <BlitzHere> universal: yeah, thanks! I'll go to the store tomorrow and check them out
[14:09] <universal> Homely_Girl: welcome to the world of linux and ubuntu.....wait for a while and it will not be just an overload but more like information bombardment lol
[14:09] <Homely_Girl> universal: at least I know about apt-get 'n stuff! lol
[14:09] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, did you check out gnash?
[14:09] <ChogyDan> Ari-Yang: gnash is flash not shockwave
[14:09] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: Just installed it....
[14:09] <universal> Homely_Girl: haha
[14:10] <Ari-Yang> ah I see...
[14:10] <universal> long way to go
[14:10] <universal> BlitzHere: its infront of computer empire, I don't remember the name of the building though
[14:10] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: brb, lemme try now (loves how my system doesn't need to reboot for stuff to take effect, Linux is just superior!!)
[14:11] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: Thanks for trying, I'll stick with dual boot for now....I only usee xp for skype video and Adventure Elf on miniclip! :)
[14:11]  * Yu-Yu has wiped Adobe/Shockwave Flash Player out of her machines. 
[14:12] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, alright.
[14:12] <Homely_Girl> I prefer to do my usual surfing in Linux tho!!
[14:12] <traffiq> Can anyone help me with an issue I have with my graphics card?
[14:12] <oynmrzber> !anyone
[14:12] <Homely_Girl> Thanks oynmrzber too
[14:12] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: don't give up! http://askubuntu.com/questions/48140/compatible-version-of-adobe-shockwave-player
[14:12] <Homely_Girl> universal: stop trying to pic fights either lol
[14:13] <traffiq> Well can someone help?
[14:13] <oynmrzber> traffiq: it depends. Ask your question and find out
[14:13] <Ari-Yang> !details | traffiq
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> shockwave hasnt owned flash for years now
[14:13] <oynmrzber> ActionParsnip: shockwave plugin != flash plugin
[14:13] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: This is how ppl become Geeks 'n obsessed, not giving up 'eh!!
[14:13] <traffiq> My issue, is I cannot get my native resolution in Ubuntu. I already installed the graphics driver, too.
[14:14] <oynmrzber> !details > traffiq
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> oynmrzber: yes but shockwave used to own flash, before adobe bought i
[14:14] <genii> Shockwave relies on ActiveX in Windows
[14:14] <traffiq> !details
[14:14] <traffiq> I just said what the issue was...
[14:14] <universal> Homely_Girl: lol...no no never....I'm a peaceful human being who believes in peaceful co-existence of every living being :)
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> sorry, macromedia. They bought it in 2005
[14:14] <traffiq> "My issue, is I cannot get my native resolution in Ubuntu. I already installed the graphics driver, too."
[14:14] <oynmrzber> traffiq: What ubuntu version are you using? What graphics card do you have?
[14:14] <Yu-Yu> ;D
[14:15] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: When I used to use IBM OS/2, there was a great keystroke "Ctrl Esc" and I could see a list of all programs running, anything like that in Ubuntu?
[14:15] <oynmrzber> traffiq: What did you already try?
[14:15] <traffiq> I am using 10.04, and I have the NVidia 9100 graphics card.
[14:15] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: the "ps" command
[14:15] <Homely_Girl> universal: and who likes to push Ari-Yang's buttons on occasion!! lol
[14:15] <traffiq> The thing I don't get, is I have never had this issue in 10.04.
[14:15] <oynmrzber> !eol | traffiq
[14:15] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: wtf is that???
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: 10.04 is EOL on the desktop
[14:15] <oynmrzber> We dont support Ubuntu 10.04 any more traffiq
[14:15] <traffiq> I have no other choice to upgrade. When I upgrade, I get the same issue.
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> oynmrzber: we do, just on server
[14:16] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, well there is system monitor... you could assign a keyboard shortcut to it if there isn't one that's already set...
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: clean install Precise
[14:16] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: use the command "ps aux" to see a list of processes
[14:16] <Ari-Yang> and no, universal didn't push any of my buttons, he just showed that he's a bit immature.
[14:16] <traffiq> Isn't 12.04 outdated as well?
[14:16] <oynmrzber> ActionParsnip: #ubuntu-server supports that
[14:16] <Ari-Yang> traffiq, no
[14:16] <Ari-Yang> it's LTS...
[14:16] <Homely_Girl> oynmrzber: I don't want to go to terminal for it!! lol
[14:16] <oynmrzber> traffiq: No, 12.04 is the current Long Term Support release
[14:16] <traffiq> And what if this issue happens again?
[14:16] <oynmrzber> traffiq: Ask again if that happens
[14:17] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: I am trying to GET a life, not become glued to my pc lol But I know a linux on command line person to do it for me, thanks!
[14:17] <traffiq> Alright, let me go download the ISO.
[14:17] <universal> Ari-Yang: thnx for your not asked for assesment....shows how mature you are......
[14:17] <Yu-Yu> Homely_Girl: How do you want that actually to work like?
[14:17] <oynmrzber> Homely_Girl: You could use the System Monitor or similarly named (I can't remember exactly) it's similar to windows' task manager
[14:17] <universal> Homely_Girl: I'm not interested in her.....I'm not pushing any of her buttons
[14:18] <Homely_Girl> universal: Go back 2 your kbrd 'n be a good geek <joking>
[14:18] <traffiq> I wish you could get Gnome 2.x on Ubuntu 11.04 and over, but it's not an option. :/
[14:18] <traffiq> And Gnome classic just doesn't do it.
[14:18] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: Whoo hoo a female geek, go girl!! :)
[14:19] <Stryke> I am in need of assistance. I have the Canon MP287 All-in-one printer and i was able to get the drivers from Canon's website, but after installing them, when i tried checking the ink levels, it only gave me the "Marker levels are not reported on this printer" error need help please
[14:19] <Ari-Yang> ....Homely_Girl why are you assuming I'm a girl? :|
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: sure it is
[14:19] <universal> lol
[14:19] <Ari-Yang> Homely_Girl, this is kind of off-topic >_>
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it simply doesn't exist as a thing
[14:19] <Ari-Yang> oh universal thought I was a girl haha
[14:19] <Homely_Girl> Ari-Yang: universal called you a her! lol
[14:19] <universal> #ubuntu-offtopic - someone suggested this before
[14:19] <traffiq> What?
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: is that how you really think?
[14:19] <traffiq> I didn't say it didn't exist...
[14:19]  * cfhowlett remember: the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
[14:20] <traffiq> I said Gnome classic just doesn't do it for me. It just doesn't feel and look like Gnome 2.x.
[14:20] <universal> Ari-Yang: well I assumed but I also assume you know it
[14:20] <oynmrzber> Stryke: Does the Canon Linux driver report ink levels?
[14:20] <oynmrzber> Stryke: It might not even be designed to
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: tried Cinammon?
[14:20] <Stryke> I'm not really sure, but after i installed the drivers it didnt work
[14:21] <traffiq> Cinammon lags like all hell for me.
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: or install Xubuntu and get the familiar 2 panel session and is also LTS
[14:21] <Stryke> well it was from canon so i assume they should put that there
[14:21] <traffiq> Every Linux Mint release does.
[14:21] <oynmrzber> traffiq: Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[14:21] <Ari-Yang> traffiq, lubuntu is faster than xubuntu, though not LTS iirc
[14:21] <traffiq> And Xubuntu is fine but when I installed Xubuntu 12.04 and newer, I still got the graphics issue.
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: cinammon is in the official ubuntu repos from Raring and up
[14:21] <traffiq> I even tried Lubuntu too.
[14:21] <Stryke> oynmrzber I'm not really sure, but after i installed the drivers it didnt work
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: what video chip do you use?
[14:21] <traffiq> Lubuntu failed to install.
[14:21] <traffiq> I have a NVidia 9100.
[14:21] <Stryke> oynmrzber well it was from canon so i assume they should put that there
[14:22] <linux|newb> I created a logical volume group and subsequent volume out of two disks. one at 250GBwhich started the volume and the second at 3TB... when I added the 3TB drive I had to chose the space in MiB I wanted to increase the volume by, so I calculated roughly 3TB but it kept returning that it was too big, so I kept reducing... now my LV is only 2.20TiB as opposed to like 3TiB as I'd expect
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: sadly 12.04 Lubuntu is not LTS :(
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: did you install the nvidia-current package?
[14:22] <traffiq> I've tried a lot of stuff.
[14:22] <cfhowlett> ActionParsnip, they promise it'll be LTS for 14.04
[14:22] <traffiq> I've tried that as well.
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> cfhowlett: yeah!!!? awesome!
[14:22] <Ari-Yang> traffiq, mind typing this in terminal? lspci | grep VGA
[14:22] <Ari-Yang> and c/p the output
[14:22] <linux|newb> is there a way of forcing the logical volume to expand to the max size available on the physical disks?
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: and:  sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:22] <linux|newb> or do I need to rebuild?
[14:22] <Yu-Yu> People, I'm having troubles with a2dp bluetooth headset, and it's gonna kill me.
[14:22] <traffiq> I've done nvidia-xconfig
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: did you try tweaking xorg.conf some?
[14:23] <traffiq> When I do and I stop GDM and restart it (or restart my PC), I get like a max 600 and some resolution.
[14:23] <CatKiller> Yu-Yu: Sounds like you should throw the headset out of the window before it does! :)
[14:23] <oynmrzber> linux|newb: Boot from a LiveCD and install system-config-lvm it gives you a GUI
[14:23] <traffiq> And yes, I tried messing with the xorg.conf.
[14:23] <Stryke> anybody got any ideas?
[14:23] <Yu-Yu> CatKiller: I didn't say I'm having troubles with the headset. ;D
[14:23] <oynmrzber> traffiq: I think you should install a supported version of Ubuntu, chances are all your driver problems will disappear by themselves
[14:24] <traffiq> When I do: lspci | grep VGA, I get: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C78 [GeForce 9100] (rev a2)
[14:24] <CatKiller> Yu-Yu: Sorry for the side comment, other than that I can't help you (no experience with those)
[14:24] <linux|newb> oynmrzber: cheers
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> traffiq: tried a different screen?
[14:27] <Stryke> ok, i guess no one knows then
[14:28] <blazemore> Guess not :\
[14:28] <linux|newb> oynmrzber: presumably there is a way to do it from the command line... I'm not gonna have physical access to the server for some time and would like to rectify this soon... happen to know an alternative that I'll issue via an SSH session
[14:28] <linux|newb> ?
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> Stryke: remove the printer and power it off then reboot and log in
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> Stryke: then setup the printer using http://localhost:631
[14:30] <Stryke> ActionParsnip how do I set it up using cups? o_o sorry i'm new at this
[14:36] <nisy> halo
[14:36] <nisy> anyone there
[14:36]  * CatKiller watches as 1774 people say "yes"
[14:37] <CatKiller> nisy: You can just ask your question right away
[14:37] <nisy> ok thanks
[14:40] <BlitzHere> What does this mean?
[14:40] <BlitzHere> USB 3.0 devices are seen only as a USB 2.0 before suspend
[14:40] <BlitzHere> On this page
[14:40] <BlitzHere> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201202-10641/
[14:41] <away> I guess you won't be able to utilize the full speed of 3.0 devices?
[14:42] <BlitzHere> I hope not. That's like a deal breaker bug. I can't see how it would be certified with a bug like thar
[14:42] <mhd> I have a two screen 12.04 machine which just had one of it's screens spontaneusly dim.
[14:43] <mr-blah> I obviously don't understand this MBR.GRUB thing
[14:44] <an3k> BlitzHere: I think it means before suspend USB3.0 = USB2.0 and after suspend USB3.0 = USB3.0
[14:44] <traffiq> I'm installing Ubuntu 12.04 right now (on the Live USB).
[14:45] <traffiq> I've had 1 problem already. When I try to set my resolution on the Live USB from 1024x768 to 1280x1024, my screen goes black and I have to restart the Live USB.
[14:45] <blazemore> traffiq: Wait until you have the real installation and can get the driver
[14:45] <traffiq> Alright. We'll see what happens.
[14:45] <Yu-Yu> bb
[14:45] <BlitzHere> an3k: Er, yes. That's exactly what it says. What does that mean? Would I have to plug the device in, put the laptop to sleep and then switch it back on to make UB 3.0 work?
[14:46] <traffiq> I have a strong feeling the same will happen as what did on 10.04, but we'll never know.
[14:46] <traffiq> Well until it's installed, of course. :P
[14:46] <blazemore> traffiq: We will... in a few minutes
[14:46] <n00b_dust> traffiq, might be a stupid question, but you sure your monitor supports 1280x1024?
[14:46] <traffiq> Yes, 1280x1024 has been used on it for a while.
[14:46] <an3k> BlitzHere: If you really need USB3.0, yes
[14:46] <n00b_dust> then you need drivers. after installation
[14:46] <traffiq> And I've used Linux for various years as well.
[14:47] <traffiq> Well I installed the drivers before and the native resolution still couldn't be set.
[14:47] <an3k> BlitzHere: perhaps standby is enough, try that first.
[14:47] <traffiq> It's ready! :D
[14:47] <traffiq> I'll restart, install the drivers, see what happens, and come back on here and tell you.
[14:47] <mr-blah> solution: i am going to format the entire drive, destroying windows install, and if that does not work, i'm throwing this laptop out the window into the street.
[14:47] <justaguy> standy on my laptop just takes lots off my battery, on windows it did not, what could be the cause off this?
[14:48] <universal> BlitzHere: prepare one ubuntu live usb and go in showrooms and test urself....before buying...i think it will be best rather than flipkart...a few hundreds are nothing compared to complete compatibility and peace of mind
[14:48] <justaguy> it's like lets go to sleep laptop fully loaded 100% , then i wake up 10 hours later, BAM , only 70%
[14:48] <Stryke> ActionParsnip I sent you a PM
[14:49] <User573> stu "d!ckless" lantz betrays all; trannys + queers(chaste Homos/a$$holes), rule; andrea hylton/tranny, Q bama, Q dubya, statelocalgov.net, usa.gov, cia.gov (world leaders), http://biz.yahoo.com/i/ , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament#List_of_national_parliaments , nndb.com, opec.org
[14:49] <User573> gone
[14:49]  * cfhowlett ... thinks trolls are trolling hard tonight.
[14:50] <mr-blah> ubuntu has hosed yet another hard drive
[14:50] <an3k> mr-blah: what's the problem? sry, joined later?
[14:50] <gordonjcp> mr-blah: how have you managed that, then?
[14:51] <blazemore> cfhowlett: Perfect timing by the way ;)
[14:51] <n00b_dust> mr-blah. yeah what issues are you having with mbr / grub?
[14:51] <an3k> justaguy: when you turned your notebook back on using windows, how fast was it back online? Did you see the mostly black "loading screen"?
[14:51] <n00b_dust> even i joined in late
[14:51] <mr-blah> well i installed ubuntu, then it kept booting to windows. so i got the startupdisk repair cd, and tried some of the stuff in th uefi ubuntuhowto article\
[14:51] <mr-blah> n00b_dust: it won't work
[14:51] <blazemore> Are you getting an error mr-blah ?
[14:51] <justaguy> an3k: no, it was instantly on
[14:52] <n00b_dust> so the grub prompt doesn't show at all? it directly boots into windows?
[14:52] <mr-blah> blazemore: not anymore. it doesn't work at all now
[14:52] <an3k> mr-blah: put in the setup dvd, reboot from it and when install asks you "want to replace XYZ with Ubuntu" select that
[14:52] <n00b_dust> if you remove windows right now, you won't be able to boot up into ubuntu. thats not how it works
[14:52] <mr-blah> n00b_dust: at first it was no grub prompt, then i could get the grub prompt, but the windows path was bad
[14:53] <n00b_dust> you can fix the windows path yourself. its just an entry in a file that you can access from ubuntu
[14:53] <mr-blah> an3k: yeh, if i wanted to kill windows. i think ubuntu did that for me already. second computer this week :(
[14:53] <caneves> Hi. I need some direction. I have a suggestion to send to Ubuntu developers but the Ubuntu Brainstorm is closed. I will really appreciate some help.
[14:53] <an3k> justaguy: how old is the notebook? designed/certified for windows vista or 7?
[14:53] <cfhowlett> !contribute|caneves,
[14:53] <caneves> cfhowlett, many thanks.
[14:54] <cfhowlett> caneves, NP
[14:54] <mr-blah> gordonjcp: i didn't manage that then; ubuntu does it fone on its own
[14:54] <caneves> !contribute
[14:54] <an3k> mr-blah: as long as the windows data is untouched nothing except the bootloader is broken ;)
[14:54] <justaguy> an3k it's 1 year and 6 months old , and no idea if it is certified or not, i removed that anoying stickers after 1 week
[14:54] <gordonjcp> mr-blah: no, it doesn't
[14:54] <smoores> can you not pipe text through in a script? what should i do?
[14:54] <smoores> Trouble with a cron script. It sends me an email but it's empty. If I take I execute the command on a shell without the script the email is full of it's text. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092565/
[14:54] <mr-blah> an3k: well i can't fix it soo its as good as broken
[14:55] <gordonjcp> mr-blah: what exactly did you do?
[14:55] <blazemore> smoores: I think your issue here is the user that script is running as
[14:55] <smoores> blazemore: root?
[14:55] <blazemore> smoores: Whose crontab is that?
[14:55] <mr-blah> gordonjcp: alot, i've been working on this stupid thing for 8 hours
[14:55] <blazemore> smoores: So when you test it and it works, do you test it as root?
[14:55] <an3k> justaguy: ok. it may be possible that windows didn't found a suitable driver and used a standard driver instead. that driver uses only the basics and thus doesn't pull more energy out of the battery
[14:55] <n00b_dust> mr-blah. what option did you select when you were installing ubuntu??
[14:55] <blazemore> mr-blah: Doesn't "update-grub" work?
[14:55] <mr-blah> blazemore: i habe never seen that option
[14:56] <smoores> blazemore: Yeah, if I copy the command from the script and execute it in a shell it sends me an email with content.
[14:56] <blazemore> mr-blah: Go to a liveCD and run the command: "sudo update-grub"
[14:56] <mr-blah> n00b_dust: do something else
[14:56] <smoores> blazemore: if I just execute the script on a shell it sends me a blank email
[14:56] <justaguy> well an3k , i will just shutdown my ubuntu because it only takes 45 seconds to startup ubuntu :D
[14:56] <blazemore> smoores: Yes, but as root? type in "sudo -s" and then try running the command, see if it still works
[14:56] <n00b_dust> mr-blah: "update-grub" isn't an option. its a command
[14:56] <mr-blah> blazemore: don't have the perms for that
[14:56] <an3k> justaguy: i noticed it with my notebook. with windows it never got hot or even warm. standby for "days". with ubuntu it gets hot sometimes and has a fair standby time for such an old notebook :)
[14:56] <blazemore> mr-blah: From a LiveCD
[14:56] <mr-blah> n00b_dust: at terminal prompt?
[14:56] <n00b_dust> mr-blah. yeah...at terminal...you need to use sudo.
[14:57] <mr-blah> i think that its too far gone :(
[14:57] <blazemore> mr-blah: Boot from a liveCD and run the command: "sudo update-grub"
[14:57] <gordonjcp> mr-blah: you're doing something wrong then, it should take about ten minutes to install Ubuntu
[14:57] <an3k> justaguy: 45 seconds? that's long. My notebook is nearly 8 years old and boots up in ~30 seconds
[14:57] <mr-blah> blazemore: can i use usb stick?
[14:57] <blazemore> mr-blah: Yes
[14:57] <n00b_dust> ok just type "sudo fdisk -l" in the terminal and see if the windows and ubuntu partitions are still there..you can make them out by the free disk space of each drive
[14:58] <mr-blah> gordonjcp: i need help fixing this.
[14:58] <justaguy> an3k: my time is just a guess :p
[14:58] <smoores> blazemore: sorry i lied, executing the script on a shell works too. it just doesnt work through cron but its in roots crontab
[14:58] <cfhowlett> mr-blah, I "broke" my triple boot windows 7, ubuntu, OSX several times before I discovered that that the OS was present, I just needed to massage the boot parameters.  It's not hard, but it does take time and patience.
[14:58] <gordonjcp> mr-blah: well, what have you done?
[14:58] <an3k> justaguy: then i hope you just have a bad guessing instead of bad hardware ;)
[14:58] <smoores> blazemore: and yeah i'm currently in a root shell
[14:59] <mr-blah> cfhowlett: i figured that, but how do i massage the boot parms? i have tried changing the flags, installing a boot/efi
[14:59] <justaguy> an3k: yeah, thanks for the help
[15:00] <cfhowlett> mr-blah, choose one guru in the channel and work with him.  Ignore the rest.  gordonjcp offered to help and I've got to go ...
[15:00] <adjih> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:00] <adjih>   //how can I fix it?
[15:00] <blazemore> adjih: Does this occur even after a reboot?
[15:00] <mr-blah> gordonjcp: what i have now: a fat32 windows recovery partition, and an ntfs windows partition with a boot flag. it will not boot.
[15:00] <adjih> lloks like after one update failed
[15:00] <blazemore> mr-blah: Did "sudo update-grub" work?
[15:01] <traffiq> See, I knew it.
[15:01] <jgk> adjih: are you from India?
[15:01] <mr-blah> blazemore: haven't done that yet
[15:01] <traffiq> I cannot set my resolution to my native.
[15:01] <cfhowlett> !who
[15:01] <blazemore> traffiq: What steps did you take to install the dirver?
[15:01] <traffiq> I installed the recommended graphics driver as well.
[15:01] <traffiq> I went into Additional Drivers and installed it.
[15:01] <blazemore> Remind me what graphics card you have?
[15:01] <traffiq> NVidia 9100
[15:02] <traffiq> Geforce
[15:02] <blazemore> And this is Ubuntu 12.04 now?
[15:02] <traffiq> Yes.
[15:02] <Salamandre> hallo
[15:02] <justaguy> 16:59:55 up 124 days, 13:24,  1 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[15:02] <justaguy> what is yours?
[15:02] <justaguy> :D
[15:02] <an3k> justaguy: °_°
[15:02] <mr-blah> blazemore: in my bios, it still lists ubuntu as a boot option, even though its been erased... why?
[15:03] <traffiq> 11:02:57 up 9 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.75, 1.10, 0.64 <- You know it.
[15:03] <traffiq> Lul
[15:03] <Salamandre> I installed the 319 (Latest, whatever that is) Nvidia drivers on 12.04 LTS and ran the full update.
[15:03] <an3k>  17:03:25 up  1:50,  2 users,  load average: 3,63, 3,04, 2,94
[15:03] <blazemore> mr-blah: That's a UEFI thing, if you ever find out, let me know
[15:03] <traffiq> I did the same, Salamandre.
[15:03] <Pici> !ot | justaguy an3k
[15:03] <traffiq> I installed version 319.
[15:04] <Salamandre> messed up the restart and loaded WIndows by accident
[15:04] <justaguy> sorry :s
[15:04] <blazemore> mr-blah: My flash drive is called Fedora forever now by my BIOS
[15:04] <traffiq> @blazemore Do you know how to fix it?
[15:04] <mr-blah> gordonjcp:  i seriously need help
[15:04] <Salamandre> now it won't start
[15:04] <gordonjcp> mr-blah: so which are you trying to boot?
[15:04] <blazemore> traffiq: The only thing I can suggest is xorg-edgers PPA, one sec
[15:05] <mr-blah> gordonjcp: at this point, i don't care which
[15:05] <traffiq> @blazemore What is xorg-edgers?
[15:05] <blazemore> traffiq: Try the post-release update driver version forst
[15:05] <gordonjcp> mr-blah: okay, so boot the Linux partition and add your Windows partition to GRUB
[15:05] <blazemore> first* in the Additional Drivers tool
[15:05] <mr-blah> gordonjcp: how do i add the windows partition to grub?
[15:05] <blazemore> mr-blah: "sudo update-grub"
[15:05] <blazemore> mr-blah: That is what that does
[15:05] <traffiq> @blazemore I will have to wait until like 12:00 PM (it's 11:05 AM right now).
[15:06] <blazemore> traffiq: That's... weird. But sure.
[15:06] <mr-blah> blazemore: trid that it says eroor: cannot get cannonical path of /cow
[15:07] <blazemore> mr-blah: You ran "sudo update-grub" and it told you that?
[15:07] <Salamandre> @blazemore is there a way I can boot the GUI with the old 304 drivers?
[15:07] <mr-blah> blazemore: yes.
[15:07] <traffiq> @blazemore I will still be here, but I just can't restart my PC right now. I am busy with something.
[15:07] <blazemore> mr-blah: Can you put the full error message on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:08] <Salamandre> Ok, I'ma try another restart
[15:09] <mr-blah> blazemore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092874/
[15:11] <blazemore> mr-blah: you ran "sudo update-grub" and that is literally all it said?
[15:11] <mhd> Is there an easy way to modify mouse sensitivity in one dimension without affecting another?
[15:11] <mr-blah> blazemore: yes
[15:12] <blazemore> mr-blah: Can you please pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l"
[15:12] <blazemore> I will help you in 10 mins
[15:12] <mr-blah> blazemore: ok
[15:13] <MileyCyrus> happy national day of Catalonia
[15:15] <mr-blah> hahahah now it won't even boot from the usb stick.
[15:16] <linux|newb> I have a logical volume made up of two physical volumes, one at 250GB and one at 3TB. In FDISK the 3TB shows up as 3TB but in  pvdisplay shows as 2TB... how do I expand the PV to use it's full 100%?
[15:17] <Daisyab_> hi, i have two ubuntu login accounts but  i recently tried to intall xampp but typed in a wrong path so now, i cant access the superuser account.  Any help is appreciated
[15:19] <sab0> hi..i am using ubuntu 10.04, was trying to install libreoffice, but getting this error   http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092891/    can any one suggest me how to solve this, thanks!
[15:20] <blazemore> sab0: We don't support 10.04 on the desktop, I don't think the packages are available any more
[15:20] <LinuxGold> how do I figure out the default package that 13.04 came with?
[15:20] <blazemore> Daisyab_: What happens when you try, do you get an error?
[15:20] <LinuxGold> 13.04 Ubuntu server
[15:20] <blazemore> LinuxGold: What do you mean by "default package" ?
[15:20] <blazemore> LinuxGold: What sort of answer are you expecting?
[15:21] <LinuxGold> when I tried to update the grub, it acts like it is using grub 1 instead of grub 2
[15:21] <LinuxGold> created menu.lst not grub.cfg
[15:21] <blazemore> LinuxGold: What did you do to update grub?
[15:21] <LinuxGold> updated-grub
[15:21] <sab0> blazemore, thanks for the info, so in that case if i want to use libreoffice on my 10.04 its not possible anyhow?
[15:21] <ihre> I'm trying to install vmware-workstation, but it segfaults upon starting. Can I create a backtrace of the install process?
[15:21] <LinuxGold> after I installed kernel
[15:22] <LinuxGold> update-grub I mean
[15:22] <Daisyab_> blazemore: no error. when i input the password, the screen goes blank for a second, then returns to the login page
[15:22] <blazemore> LinuxGold: What's the output of grub-install -v
[15:22] <blazemore> Daisyab_: You can't log in as root on Ubuntu
[15:22] <LinuxGold> I manually apt-get install grub2
[15:22] <blazemore> !root | Daisyab_
[15:23] <LinuxGold>  
[15:23] <blazemore> LinuxGold: What's the output of grub-install -v
[15:23] <LinuxGold> grub-install (GRUB) 2.00-13ubuntu3
[15:23] <sab0> can any one please advice me how can i install libreoffice on my 10.04 ubuntu?
[15:23] <blazemore> !eol
[15:24] <blazemore> That's grub 2, LinuxGold
[15:24] <zalg> sab0: download the file, untar it, follow instruction
[15:24] <LinuxGold> blazemore: yes, that was after I apt-get install grub2 after problems
[15:24] <blazemore> LinuxGold: grub2 should already be installed, what problems are you referring to?
[15:25] <Daisyab_> blazemore: i've got two accounts and i have been logging into them before with ease.
[15:25] <LinuxGold> when I update-grub last night after removing 3.11 kernel, rebooted and found out that it was using menu.lst not grub.cfg
[15:25] <blazemore> Daisyab_: What account are you trying to log into? root?
[15:25] <sab0> zalg, thanks...i was trying to install it by adding ppa for libreoffice but getting error,
[15:25] <blazemore> LinuxGold: If you're not having problems, and you're on a server, I'd let it be to be honest
[15:26] <Daisyab_> ubottu: i'm not guessing, i've been using the password for over a year
[15:26] <mr-blah> blazemore: i figured out why those boot etnries still appear in the bios...
[15:26] <LinuxGold> my question: where can I find list of default packages that Ubuntu 13.04 server are using
[15:26] <trfsrfr> My Libre doesn't have the font I want. How do I get it?
[15:26] <blazemore> trfsrfr: What font is that?
[15:27] <Daisyab_> blazemore: yes root
[15:27] <Daisyab_> blazemore: and i've been doing it for 1+ year
[15:28] <blazemore> Daisyab_: How...? You can't log into root on Ubuntu by defaulty
[15:28] <blazemore> Daisyab_: Did you change root's password?
[15:28] <gordonjcp> Daisyab_: don't set a root password, that's just stupid
[15:28] <gordonjcp> Daisyab_: root logins have been obsolete for about 20 years
[15:29] <LinuxGold> so ubuntu server 13.04 is not offically supported?
[15:29] <Pici> LinuxGold: sure it is.
[15:29] <LinuxGold> ok, just wondering
[15:29] <blazemore> it's the most recent version, LinuxGold, you can be sure its supported
[15:29] <LinuxGold> m
[15:29] <LinuxGold> k even
[15:30] <mr-blah> blazemore:  let me know when you want to look at this
[15:30] <blazemore> mr-blah: When you pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l", that's all I'm waiting for
[15:30] <trfsrfr> blazemore: Nice name. I'm looking for georgia.
[15:30] <blazemore> trfsrfr: Isn't that a Microsoft font?
[15:30] <mr-blah> blazemore:  here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092943/
[15:30] <blazemore> trfsrfr: Install the package: msttcorefonts
[15:30] <blazemore> mr-blah: There's no Ubuntu installation on that system
[15:31] <mr-blah> blazemore:  and here is the output of the startup disk repair http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092915/
[15:31] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i removed it
[15:31] <blazemore> mr-blah: Right... and now you're trying to get Windows to boot?
[15:31] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i'm trying to get anything to boot
[15:31] <blazemore> mr-blah: Do you still have your Windows installation CD?
[15:31] <mr-blah> blazemore:  no
[15:32] <blazemore> Go into #windows and ask them how to recover the Windows bootloader without the installation DVD
[15:32] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i use ubuntu for work normally
[15:32] <LinuxGold> http://pastebin.com/d061MrUi
[15:32] <LinuxGold> hmm grub and grub2 coexist
[15:32] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i've never had any problems like this
[15:33] <blazemore> mr-blah: You could go through the installation like normal?
[15:33] <mr-blah> blazemore:  yes
[15:33] <mr-blah> blazemore:  same as always
[15:33] <blazemore> mr-blah: That would install ubuntu and a boot menu, and let you boot into both Ubuntu and Windows
[15:33] <trfsrfr> blazemore: thank you.
[15:33] <mr-blah> blazemore:  thats why i'm here. it usually works fine
[15:33] <blazemore> mr-blah: But there's no Ubuntu on your machine, I don't see how it usually could work at all
[15:34] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i removed it, in order to eliminate variables...
[15:34] <blazemore> mr-blah: Well, install it if you want to use it
[15:34] <blazemore> mr-blah: Or, ask #windows if you don't
[15:34] <mr-blah> blazemore:  so when i reinstall, do i make a logical partition?
[15:35] <blazemore> mr-blah: Up to you
[15:35] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i need to install ubuntu properly, which i obviously did not do this time. can you recommend a configuration?
[15:35] <blazemore> mr-blah: I'd use the guided partitioning if I were you, the advanced partitoning is usually reserved for people who have the ability and knowledge for it
[15:35] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i normally handle it.
[15:36] <blazemore> Well this time, why not try letting the installer handle it?
[15:36] <mr-blah> blazemore:  how can i learn?
[15:36] <blazemore> mr-blah: Set up a custom partition scheme but just use primary partitions
[15:36] <mr-blah> blazemore:  the installer is not affording me the option i want: install along side.....
[15:36] <LinuxGold> ah, found my problem.
[15:37] <LinuxGold> thanks all
[15:37] <blazemore> mr-blah: That usually occurs when you have an ntfs partition on the drive which is unclean and needs chkdsk running from WIndows
[15:37] <mr-blah> blazemore:  that was the initial problem, it was limiting the # of primary partition, so i could not get swap space.....
[15:37] <mr-blah> blazemore:  aaahhhhh....
[15:37] <mr-blah> blazemore:  like i said, i can usually handle this fine.
[15:37] <blazemore> mr-blah: Since you don't have Windows you can use ntfsprogs I think it's called. But be careful
[15:38] <mr-blah> blazemore:  any idea why it would be limiting my # of primary partitians?
[15:39] <blazemore> You can only have 4 primary partitions
[15:39] <blazemore> mr-blah: If you want more, make an Extended partition which uses all remaining available space. You can then fill this with unlimited Logical partitions
[15:40] <blazemore> mr-blah: You can use the "gparted" program on the LiveCD to do this, you don't have to use the fiddly installer
[15:40] <jgk> Anyone here use Ubuntu 5
[15:40] <jgk> Is that the latst version?
[15:40] <blazemore> mr-blah: Then once you have set up your partitions how you want, use the custom partioning section of the installer to choose the mount points of each one: you will need at least "/" and "swap"
[15:40] <jgk> I havent been keeping up
[15:40] <mr-blah> blazemore:  four does not seem like alot.. that is how my other ubuntu machines are set up.
[15:40] <LinuxGold> jgk: 12.04
[15:40] <blazemore> jgk: Supported versions are in the /topic
[15:40] <blazemore> jgk: Ubuntu 13.04 is the latest
[15:40] <jgk> ohhhh
[15:40] <jgk> what can mine do?
[15:41] <blazemore> jgk: Nothing, it was released in 2005
[15:41] <blazemore> In 2005 I hadn't learned calculus yet
[15:41] <traffiq> 13.10 is nice, but I still had my resolution issue. :/
[15:41] <blazemore> 13.10 isn't released yet, or supported until it is
[15:41] <mr-blah> blazemore:  ubuntu installer hosed my system :(
[15:41] <traffiq> Yes it was.
[15:41] <blazemore> mr-blah: I just gave you a massively in-depth partiotioning guide, what did you do!?
[15:42] <blazemore> traffiq: The clue's in the name, THIRTEEN point TEN won't be released until the TENTH month of twenty THIRTEEN
[15:42] <kostkon> traffiq: #ubuntu+1
[15:43] <traffiq> @blazemore I'm not retarded, type in normal letters not capitals. Also, yes, I've used 13.10.
[15:43] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i didn't do anythin i haven't done before. there is somthin screwy going on .
[15:43] <traffiq> There's been a beta released already.
[15:43] <blazemore> traffiq: Not for Ubuntu proper, only for the spins. And its still not supported til its released
[15:43] <traffiq> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ <-
[15:44] <Pici> traffiq: this is not a supported release.
[15:44] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i do appreciate the help though. these problems arent your fault
[15:44] <blazemore> They're daily builds, there was never a beta
[15:44] <traffiq> I didn't say it was.
[15:44] <Pici> traffiq: okay, lets move on then.
[15:44] <Daisyab_> sorry about that
[15:44] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i think this requires a very high skill level to fix.
[15:44] <b1001> hi, is there an program that can tile your windows like xmonad using unity?
[15:44] <blazemore> mr-blah: Have you considered backing up the contents of your ntfs partition to an external drive, and then jsut nuking the entire system?
[15:44] <traffiq> Pici, YOU can move on; the conversation was between blazemore and I.
[15:44] <blazemore> mr-blah: It's what I'd do. Backup and clean slate
[15:45] <blazemore> traffiq: move on
[15:45] <traffiq> Nah, I don't want to.
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> b1001: http://wiki.osuosl.org/development/deprecated/tiling_windows_with_compiz
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> b1001: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Df0CY4tkm0.
[15:46] <Daisyab_> blazemore: do you have any idea on how i can fix this problem?
[15:46] <traffiq> @blazemore You said to install the post release driver, correct?
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> b1001: http://superuser.com/questions/150193/window-tiling-in-gnome-without-compiz
[15:46] <blazemore> Daisyab_: What is the name of the user you are trying to log in to?
[15:47] <mr-blah> blazemore:  omg, nuking, now  you are talking my language. ntfs won't mount in linux though right?
[15:47] <blazemore> mr-blah: Yes it will, no problem. Especially if you only want to read
[15:47] <Daisyab_> blazemore:its the superuser
[15:47] <blazemore> Daisyab_: You type in "its the superuser" as the username?
[15:47] <seynb> hahaha
[15:47] <blazemore> Usernames don't support spaces
[15:47] <traffiq> @blazemore You said to install the post release driver, correct?
[15:47] <hawke_> Hi all…I’m trying to get Ubuntu (13.04) to auto-mount my hotplugged USB hard drive. I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB and org.gnome.desktop.media-handling.automount / org.gnome.desktop.media-handling.automount-open were already set true, but it still won’t automount. What else might be wrong?
[15:47] <Daisyab_> blazemore: its Denis
[15:48] <blazemore> traffiq: correct
[15:48] <mistawright> hey guys ive got a quick question. How can i find out how a program was installed.  mainly php5. I can't remember if I built it from source or installed from a repo. im using ubuntu 12.04 lts for a server and have php 5.5.1 installed
[15:48] <blazemore> OK Daisyab_ I was just establishing it wasn't root
[15:48] <seynb> dpkg -s php5*
[15:48] <traffiq> @blazemore Shit. There are 2: 304, and 319.
[15:48] <Daisyab_> actually it is
[15:48] <seynb> mistawright: dpkg -s php5
[15:49] <blazemore> traffiq: The higher number
[15:49] <traffiq> @blazemore I chose it. It's installing.
[15:49] <blazemore> Daisyab_: no, root is special
[15:50] <traffiq> @blazemore When it's done, I'll come back and say what happened.
[15:50] <Guest87161> hello ppl.. i am going through a nightmare trying get Windows 7 and Ubuntu 13.04 to dual boot.. could someone point me to a link that they know works.. i've tried to google but the top 5 links are not helping.. thanks
[15:50] <blazemore> Daisyab_: If you were actually logging in as root, you would have had to jump through hoops to get to that. So what's happening is, you're trying to log in as normal, but its just dumping you back to the login screen?
[15:50] <mistawright> seynb, thanks worked perfectly differently from source
[15:50] <seynb> mistawright: np
[15:50] <blazemore> !details | Guest87161
[15:50] <Daisyab_> exactly
[15:51] <blazemore> Daisyab_: Can you log in as another user sucesfully?
[15:51] <Guest87161> basically.. i first install windows 7 (leaving space for Ubuntu).. but when i try to install ubunty.. it doest see the windows 7 that is already installed
[15:51] <Guest87161> blazemore, ^^^
[15:51] <hawke_> Is there a https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB updated for Ubuntu 13.04? it seems to always be talking about "System" > "Preferences" > "Removable Drives and Media" which no longer exists.
[15:51] <blazemore> Guest87161: Can you boot into Windows OK?
[15:51] <Daisyab_> yes, i ca
[15:51] <Guest87161> blazemore, yes
[15:51] <Daisyab_> *can
[15:51] <blazemore> Guest87161: Use Windows to check your drives for errors, then Ubuntu installer can deal with Windows partitions
[15:51] <seynb> Guest87161: have you tried selecting the manual partitioning option in setup?
[15:52] <streulma> hello, if I install Ubuntu in BIOS mode, then I can not change brightness, if I install in EFI mode it works
[15:52] <seynb> Guest87161: because the default option is to use the whole disk which would overwrite windows
[15:52] <blazemore> Daisyab_: OK, log into the other user and open a terminal, then try switching to the erroring user with "su username"
[15:52] <Guest87161> seynb, yes.. it doesnt see the partitions that windows created
[15:52] <blazemore> Daisyab_: It'll ask for that user's password
[15:52] <blazemore> Guest87161: Are you on the liveCD right now?
[15:52] <Guest87161> blazemore, yes
[15:53] <streulma> how can I change the brightness in BIOS Mode, or is it better to install Ubuntu in EFI mode ?
[15:53] <Daisyab_> i've done that
[15:53] <Guest87161> blazemore, ubuntu installer doesnt acknowledge presence of windows os or its partitions
[15:53] <blazemore> Daisyab_: And it worked OK? if you run the "whoami" command do you see the new user name?
[15:53] <seynb> Guest87161: have you checked the output of fdisk -l ?
[15:54] <blazemore> Guest87161: Can you open a terminal and run the command "sudo fdisk -l"
[15:54] <hawke_> is 'udisks --monitor' supposed to do something when I plug in a drive?
[15:54] <hawke_> (It looks like Ubuntu uses udisks these days?)
[15:54] <Guest87161> blazemore, seynb that complains about detecting GPT and craps out
[15:55] <Daisyab_> yes, it gives me the erroring username but the ls command shows me directories in the other user
[15:55] <blazemore> Daisyab_: That's fine, that's expected
[15:55] <blazemore> Daisyab_: What Ubuntu version is it? You probably already told me
[15:55] <Daisyab_> 11.04
[15:56] <blazemore> Right well we don't actually support that but
[15:56] <Wiz_KeeD> pumper: Hey guys
[15:56] <Wiz_KeeD> How do I properly learn how to use apt-get to know the consequences of installing and removing several packages
[15:57] <blazemore> After you su to the erroring user, run the command "sudo chown ~/.Xauthority `whoami`"
[15:57] <blazemore> Daisyab_: ^
[15:57] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: Don't say "Y" without reading what it will do :)
[15:57] <hawke_> Apparently udisks detects my drive ('udisks --show-info /dev/sdb1' shows 'detected at: [current time]') — but it won’t automount. It does show up in nautilus and I can click to mount it, but it won’t automount. :-(
[15:57] <Wiz_KeeD> Because some pages after you install them ans say "Hey I want to remove everything like it was before" most people say "sudo apt-get purge package or apt-get remove package --purge" and then you ask "Will that remove everything?" the answer is always "Sort of..."
[15:57] <Wiz_KeeD> blazemore: I just did that this morning and now i'm reinstalling ubuntu
[16:00] <Daisyab_> it gives me a message that says chown: missing operand  after 'home/denis/.Xauthority'
[16:01] <Daisyab_> what does that mean
[16:01] <Daisyab_> in researching, i saw Xauthority.  What does that mean
[16:01] <blazemore> Daisyab_: try this: sudo chown denis: /home/denis/.Xauthority
[16:01] <Wiz_KeeD> Also on the official documentation it says that apt-get is a evolved version of people manually compiling sourced themselves
[16:02] <Wiz_KeeD> how does that make make install actually work and how does it differ from apt-get install
[16:02] <Wiz_KeeD> ?
[16:02] <blazemore> Daisyab_: (I got it the wrong way around, sorry :3 )
[16:02] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: apt-get will download and install already compiled and packaged versions. It will track their versions and dependencies
[16:02] <mr-blah> blazemore: the guys in #windows said that this will fix the first problem: http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/  , and also i will maybe try backup/nuke like you said.
[16:02] <mr-blah> blazemore: thanks.
[16:02] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: a "make" script compiles from source, and copies files to their intended locations
[16:03] <blazemore> mr-blah: Hiren's boot CD is something I've heard of, and seems to be well regarded. Good luck
[16:03] <Wiz_KeeD> how can it compile programs that are written in different languages
[16:03] <Wiz_KeeD> java, c, c++, ruby, python
[16:03] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: "make" is just a script
[16:03] <Wiz_KeeD> one command to do it all?
[16:03] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: The actual compilation is done by gcc, javac etc
[16:03] <MortimerCat> LIST
[16:03] <blazemore> !list > MortimerCat
[16:03] <Wiz_KeeD> So the make identifies the programming language used, and fires the proper compiler
[16:04] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: the Makefile is written by the person who wrote the software, it's not magic
[16:04] <Wiz_KeeD> ahhhhh
[16:04] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: It's all manual
[16:04] <Wiz_KeeD> makes more sense now
[16:04] <Wiz_KeeD> And that is basically a bash script the issues commands one after another?
[16:04] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: Essentially that, yes. Take a look inside one and you'll see straight away how it works
[16:05] <hawke_> Wiz_KeeD: It’s not bash; it’s a separate scripting language. But otherwise, yes.
[16:05] <Wiz_KeeD> So 3 questions from here: 1.What would be the advantage of apt-get over this 2. How do you completly remove after installing with apt-get and 3.How do you know where the manual compilation placed all the files and remove those?
[16:05] <Daisyab_> blazemore: no problem
[16:05] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: apt-get is better because its already packaged for the correct Ubuntu version, you won't have to spend hours making sure your libraries are the correct versions and in the right places
[16:05] <Wiz_KeeD> hawke_: what's the scripting language used? or it's just an executable that can be in several different languages
[16:05] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename
[16:05] <hawke_> Wiz_KeeD: 'make'. ;-)
[16:06] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: Regarding manual compilation, you'd have to look at the makefile and see where it put all the files
[16:06] <Wiz_KeeD> ouch...
[16:06] <Pici> Wiz_KeeD: apt also ensures that your packages are kept up to date as new versions are published on the repositories.
[16:06] <Wiz_KeeD> That is if you do apt-get upgrade right Pici?
[16:06] <blazemore> Wiz_KeeD: You may be lucky, they may have written a "make uninstall" or similar
[16:06] <Pici> Wiz_KeeD: well, of course.
[16:07] <hawke_> Wiz_KeeD: 1. you don’t have to spend the time to compile it (large stuff like openoffice/xorg takes forever); you don’t have to worry too much about dependencies (apt-get handles it for you, you don’t need to manually dig up obscure libraries) — 2 'apt-get remove --purge' will remove the packages — 3. it’s almost always in /usr/local if you didn’t tell it otherwise
[16:07] <Wiz_KeeD> Someone from ruby suggested I remove libsqlite3 because it was giving errors about package dependencies smth, removed it with apt-get remove and didn't look at the confirmation and pressed Y
[16:07] <hawke_> (and yes, 'make uninstall' sometimes exists/works, but don’t count on it)
[16:08] <Wiz_KeeD> by the time I've seen removing firefox, python, gnome...twas 2 late my dearies
[16:08] <Wiz_KeeD> :(
[16:08] <mr-blah> blazemore:  solution: mounted ntfs and using ubuntu to burn the windows recovery iso i made, then nuke and reinstall.
[16:08] <blazemore> VmSize:   209712 kB
[16:08] <blazemore> mr-blah: Good luck
[16:09] <mr-blah> blazemore: thanks, and thank you for your halp
[16:09] <Wiz_KeeD> and sources that are already compiled with apt-get are just put in the right place to run
[16:09] <Wiz_KeeD> Kinda hard to see the whole picture comming from windows and all that
[16:09] <Wiz_KeeD> But this is defenetly the best step
[16:10] <Wiz_KeeD> and if i want to update my Dropbox or Skype I just do sudo apt-get upgrade Dropbox (package_name)
[16:10] <MariusIT> guys did  Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS dropped support or something? I'm getting  Failed to fetch 404 error on apt-get update.
[16:10] <qin> Wiz_KeeD: To put it simply, if you want to compile and play around - ubuntu is quite poor choice, here you DO use package manager and tools provided... and Ruby people cannot be trusted...
[16:10] <traffiq> @blazemore, I still can't set my native resolution.
[16:11] <Wiz_KeeD> haha, found out the hard way qin :(
[16:11] <Wiz_KeeD> You also have bad experience with them?
[16:11] <hawke_> So anyway folks…is there any good/up-to-date documentation on how to get automount to work?
[16:12] <MonkeyDust> hawke_  you mean aprt from /etc/fstab ?
[16:12] <traffiq> @blazemore Did you see my message?
[16:12] <blazemore> yes traffiq
[16:12] <hawke_> MonkeyDust: I mean such that when I plug in a USB device, it mounts it.
[16:12] <blazemore> Sorry I can't help you
[16:12] <blazemore> Hopefully someone else can
[16:13] <traffiq> Alright then.
[16:13] <blazemore> Going home in 15 minutes
[16:13] <MonkeyDust> hawke_  normally it does that out of the box, any errors when you try?
[16:13] <hawke_> MonkeyDust: Nope. It just doesn’t mount. It shows up in Nautilus and if I click on it, it will mount.
[16:14] <traffiq> Does anyone know how to fix this issue: I cannot set my resolution to my native. I've already installed my graphics driver. My native resolution is 1280x1024, but I can set only a maximum of 1024x768.
[16:14] <hawke_> MonkeyDust: dconf org.gnome.desktop.media-handling.automount is set to 'true'
[16:14] <blazemore> traffiq: Might you have to use the nvidia tool to change the resolution, rather than the Ubuntu display properties? Just a thought maybe
[16:14] <traffiq> I have been using the NVidia settings tool for that.
[16:15] <traffiq> It still doesn't have the option.
[16:15] <traffiq> I've tried even adding the option, AND setting my resolution via Xrandr. All failed.
[16:15] <blazemore> traffiq: try sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak and then reboot
[16:15] <MonkeyDust> hawke_  so it's mounted, but you want the window to open automatically ?
[16:15] <hawke_> MonkeyDust: It’s not mounted
[16:15] <traffiq> I've tried messing with the config, but I'll try to move it. brb.
[16:17] <hawke_> MonkeyDust: http://imagebin.org/270580 — it shows up, but not mounted
[16:17] <hawke_> (note the lack of an eject icon
[16:18] <traffiq> @blazemore Nothing changed.
[16:18] <MonkeyDust> hawke_  pastebin the output of      mount
[16:18] <blazemore> traffiq: Just to rule out something stupid: you are running "gksudo nvidia-settings" and not just "nvidia-settings" ?
[16:18] <traffiq> No, I'm not.
[16:18] <blazemore> :D do it
[16:19] <traffiq> How would that make any difference?
[16:19] <blazemore> I think you need to be root to make changes, you do with AMD
[16:19] <MonkeyDust> hawke_  try this    dconf-editor -> org -> gnome -> desktop -> media-handling -> check automount_open.
[16:19] <hawke_> MonkeyDust: it already is.
[16:19] <hawke_> MonkeyDust: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6093153/
[16:20] <traffiq> I opened it with gksudo and I still don't see my native resolution in the list.
[16:20] <RyChannel> hello folks
[16:20] <blazemore> traffiq: Can you please pastebin the output of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" ?
[16:20] <blazemore> I really want to sort this before I go home traffiq :P
[16:20] <RyChannel> I have a package that apt-get tries to start after running updates... Since it already is running it throws errors... How do I go about changing it so it restarts the service instead
[16:20] <MonkeyDust> hawke_  odd, and what ubuntu version is that?
[16:21] <hawke_> MonkeyDust: 13.04
[16:21] <blazemore> RyChannel: That sounds like a bug, what is the package? It shouldn't be packaged so shoddily
[16:21] <traffiq> Yeah, one second.
[16:21] <RyChannel> blazemore, varnish
[16:22] <traffiq> Give me a second to get the output, blazemore.
[16:25] <MonkeyDust> hawke_  i was wrong just now, usb device behaves the smae here, also with dconf modified, don'n know why it won't open or mount
[16:25] <MariusIT> how is this possible http://pastebin.com/F6BDJP2Z ? i can browse the repo's manually
[16:25] <hawke_> MonkeyDust: At least it’s not just me. :-/
[16:26] <ikonia> MariusIT: because http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Source doesn't exist
[16:26] <MariusIT> it's from http://repogen.simplylinux.ch
[16:26] <ikonia> MariusIT: so ?
[16:27] <MariusIT> ermmm
[16:27] <Sami345> Is there an "arch-chroot" equivalent on Ubuntu?
[16:27] <Wiz_KeeD> Do you guys recommend LVM in order to make proper backups/snapshots to restore at a later time if you should mess things up?
[16:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: no
[16:27] <MariusIT> ikonia: any ideea what are the original ones for 12.04.2?
[16:27] <ikonia> original what ?
[16:27] <Wiz_KeeD> Why's that ikonia? and what would you recommend?
[16:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: depends on a huge ammount of things, it's not a black/white answer
[16:28] <Wiz_KeeD> I need some arguments though or another suggestion to research
[16:28] <ikonia> do research on the pros/cons
[16:29] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it can certainly do what you want, but there are cons to it
[16:29] <Wiz_KeeD> Like? and what would be a good alternative?
[16:30] <ikonia> as I said, it's not black and white / yes / no answers
[16:30] <ikonia> it depends on a lot of things
[16:31] <lars__> hi, i have a problem with my graphic drivers i get a error message when i boot up (i use nvidia cards). anyways im logged in without the good graphic so i can install the proper drivers, so i found the drivers but now i cant find my "additional drivers" in System settings
[16:31] <enen92> hey there, which desktop enviroments are u using with ubuntu?
[16:31] <|Anthony|> has anyone been able to get echo cancellation to work in mumble?
[16:31] <Wiz_KeeD> I'll tr to find an alternative and if I cannot i will stick wtih lvm
[16:31]  * LinuxGold is running HP Pavilion Slimline 3100n desktop PC running Ubuntu 13.04 server and kernel 3.8.0-30-generic.  seeing i2c i2c-3 sendbytes NAK bailout error every few seconds, what is NAK bailout error?
[16:31] <Wiz_KeeD> although I am just starting to read and understand what it is
[16:33] <mizu_no_oto> What's the best way to specify that a scalacheck property holds forAll non-negative integers?  Just saying forAll((x:Int) => foo(x.abs) ) fails because -2147483648.abs = -2147483648
[16:34] <mizu_no_oto> gah
[16:34] <mizu_no_oto> wrong channel
[16:35] <Wiz_KeeD> Uh niiiiiceee
[16:35] <Wiz_KeeD> So with lvm I can leave 70 gigs for Ubuntu and if i redecide i can make it smaller or bigger and use it somewhere else?
[16:35] <gordonjcp> Wiz_KeeD: kind of
[16:35] <Wiz_KeeD> that's not comforting :D
[16:35] <gordonjcp> Wiz_KeeD: you can resize the partition easily
[16:35] <Wiz_KeeD> I cannot add it to windows partition can I?
[16:36] <Wiz_KeeD> at a later time I mean
[16:36] <gordonjcp> you can't resize a mounted partition
[16:36] <gordonjcp> Wiz_KeeD: probably, I don't know much about Windows, I'm pretty new to it
[16:36] <MariusIT> how can i get the .dpk for this package http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/smartmontools ?
[16:36] <gordonjcp> Wiz_KeeD: some filesystems *can* be resized while they're mounted but that's kind of dark magic and wizardry
[16:37] <Wiz_KeeD> I was thinking it was something of that sort, It can't be all flowers and pink when all other systems don't do it for a reason
[16:37] <Wiz_KeeD> What do you recommend as snapshot backup solution gordonjcp ?
[16:37] <gordonjcp> Wiz_KeeD: don't know, I don't use one
[16:39] <Wiz_KeeD> lvm sounds complex though
[16:39] <hawke_> Wiz_KeeD: It is.
[16:40] <Wiz_KeeD> ouch
[16:40] <Wiz_KeeD> nobody here uses a "snapshot"-like backup? :(
[16:40] <Wiz_KeeD> People in here are so confident
[16:41] <BlitzHere> Thanks for everything, guys. I'm getting this
[16:41] <BlitzHere> http://www.flipkart.com/dell-vostro-3560-laptop-3rd-gen-ci5-4gb-500gb-linux/p/itmdjz5ebwwgrq7x?pid=COMDJZ5CKAHN8JFW&otracker=browse&pageNum=1
[16:41] <hawke_> Wiz_KeeD: FS-snapshots are not  necessarily good backups.
[16:41] <BlitzHere> Bye
[16:41] <FloodBot1> BlitzHere: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:41] <MonkeyDust> Wiz_KeeD  btrfs can do that, as opposed to ext4
[16:42] <hawke_> That’s not exactly what it’s for, so…
[16:42] <ikonia> btrfs though is still not stable
[16:42] <MonkeyDust> Wiz_KeeD  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs#Rollback_to_a_snapshot
[16:42] <ikonia> it would be a bold move to consider that
[16:42] <MonkeyDust> ikonia  didnt know, read it in the help pages
[16:43] <Wiz_KeeD> Checking it MonkeyDust
[16:43] <Wiz_KeeD> So it's not that "stable?" :)
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> Wiz_KeeD  disregard my comment
[16:43] <ikonia> not stable release at all
[16:43] <hawke_> Wiz_KeeD: snapshots are more useful as a source for taking backups, not as backups themselves
[16:44] <Wiz_KeeD> I usually backups my data using a dvcs and/or Dropbox but for actual configuration files or if i mess up something by installing stupid things which cause conflicts and crashes
[16:44] <Wiz_KeeD> It would be lovely just to revert to the before version
[16:44] <Wiz_KeeD> Does that make any sense?
[16:44] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: do you really need that for a full file system
[16:44] <ikonia> or just key files
[16:45] <Wiz_KeeD> I guess just key files, but I would have no idea what I mess up when i install some dodgy packages/libraries
[16:45] <Wiz_KeeD> where they head up and etc
[16:45] <ikonia> dodgy packages/libraries ?
[16:47] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia: for example last time I tried to install a ruby package through gem
[16:48] <ikonia> you shouldn't do that
[16:48] <ikonia> that would be the way to manage that
[16:48] <Wiz_KeeD> And i installed gem, ruby, 100 other libraries, then some more libraries after that package failed
[16:48] <ikonia> not doing that sort of thing is the way to manage that
[16:48] <Wiz_KeeD> Then how would I revert back? If i'm not an expert I'm bound to make mistakes like that
[16:48] <ikonia> not with full file system snapshots
[16:48] <Wiz_KeeD> same advice as "Be carefull not to delete your files, that's the best backup"
[16:49] <Wiz_KeeD> I had no experience with gem, with the libraries neccesairy and I tried my luck trying to install it using tutorials
[16:49] <ikonia> totally different advice
[16:49] <Wiz_KeeD> then a rain of errors came back from the apt that said i have conflicts and etc
[16:49] <ikonia> I'd strongly suggest not using those sort of tools
[16:49] <ikonia> and using correct packages
[16:49] <Wiz_KeeD> How else am I supposed to install the mailcatcher ruby application?
[16:50] <ikonia> by packaging it / getting the correct package
[16:50] <Wiz_KeeD> And how am I supposed to guess the best way for anything I need in the future
[16:50] <Wiz_KeeD> There is no such package in Ubuntu
[16:50] <ikonia> so you make one / get one made
[16:50] <Wiz_KeeD> main ubuntu repositories
[16:50] <Wiz_KeeD> right
[16:50] <ikonia> gem/plec all that sort of stuff is junk
[16:50] <Wiz_KeeD> i use pip install to get a load of good python libraries
[16:51] <ikonia> yes, pip is also not good
[16:51] <Wiz_KeeD> that are much more up to date than apt-get
[16:51] <Wiz_KeeD> :))
[16:51] <ikonia> then you are using the wrong distro
[16:51] <Wiz_KeeD> that so?
[16:51] <ikonia> yes
[16:51] <gordonjcp> Wiz_KeeD: if you're going to use pip, at least use a virtualenv
[16:52] <Wiz_KeeD> gordonjcp: virtualenv?
[16:59] <hawke_> Wiz_KeeD: the point is, you just have to be exceedingly careful when installing packages outside the apt-get system, or you risk breaking things.
[16:59] <Wiz_KeeD> I will take a mental note with that hawke_
[16:59] <Wiz_KeeD> !
[17:07] <Wiz_KeeD> there is a software called "Back in time"
[17:07] <Wiz_KeeD> that sounds interesting
[17:08] <c2tarun> magnetic links not opening deluge in chromium, can anyone please help me with this?
[17:10] <sebinou> #
[17:10] <nightwalkerkg> Hi,i am running ubuntu 12.04 LTS but when i try to boot it there is just a white line in the top left corner that is blinking.
[17:11] <SuperLag> I sure wish that the Mouse options in Settings gave you an easy checkbox for "Natural Scrolling". Is there a way to enable that?
[17:12] <sebinou> i have the same pb but the cursor doesn't blink
[17:14] <hawke_> SuperLag: what is 'natural scrolling'?
[17:14] <SuperLag> hawke_: exactly the opposite of default... you push the content, rather than the scrollbar
[17:15] <darkangel> hey guys how does 1 make a .Log file from terminal like lets say that u want to know the out put of a Wine program On ubuntu and u want a .log file so ya make a log file from Terminal how does that work i forgot
[17:15] <hawke_> SuperLag: Something to do with touch screens then?
[17:16] <SuperLag> hawke_: that's how touchscreens do it, yes... but I'm talking about enabling that on my Ubuntu install on my laptop. Xubuntu had that option in settings, but mainline Ubuntu does not, it seems.
[17:17] <darkangel> #winehq
[17:17] <darkangel> sorry
[17:19] <unknown__> Any idea why my alfa network usb adapter is acting like shit in ubuntu 12.10 (super slow internet speed)
[17:19] <hawke_> SuperLag: I can find out to do it for touchpads, but not for standard mouse scrollwheels
[17:20] <SuperLag> hawke_: yeah, I found the result with enabling it for touchpads, as well
[17:21] <SuperLag> Okay. Next question... when an app sends an on-screen notification, is there a way to specify which screen that shows up on, if you're working with external displays?
[17:22] <altermann> hi there. can anybody tell me wtf is wrong with this OS? i run apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade to update all the system packages and then i reboot and the update manager finds the same updates over again?
[17:22] <altermann> why is the command line not updating the kernel and headers and whatnot?\
[17:23] <SuperLag> altermann: what version of Ubuntu are you on, and what results are you expecting?
[17:23] <trism> altermann: you will need apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade kernels
[17:23] <unknown__> Did you used "sudo"
[17:23] <trism> altermann: because it requires installing new packages
[17:23] <altermann> oh
[17:23] <altermann> i think it's kubuntu 12.04
[17:23] <unknown__> ....
[17:24] <altermann> i'm not familiar with this distro and i can't replace it that easily
[17:24] <Argentine1> Hello installed Ubuntu 12.10 on my friends computer,one week after the installation the computer went kaput
[17:24] <altermann> mind you i had to remove kde and stay with unity to keep it from crashing constantly
[17:25] <Johnny_Linux> Argentine1  define kapput
[17:25] <hawke_> trism: you don’t need to use dist-upgrade to upgrade kernels…
[17:26] <unknown__> Sometimes when i boot my computer it can't recognize graphic card (at the loading) and its not able to boot
[17:26] <Argentine1> yeah they was wery angry to me and they say the linux are not good,but the computer was 100 år old ,
[17:26] <unknown__> I got this problem after I installed ubuntu
[17:26] <SuperLag> Okay. Figured that one out.
[17:26] <trism> hawke_: yes, you do
[17:26] <rehash> Hello all
[17:27] <unknown__> My computer its powerfull and i have like 2mb download speed when using windows
[17:27] <trism> hawke_: well, very rarely they will only do a minor version bump, and then you don't, but usually you do
[17:27] <hawke_> trism: I never use dist-upgrade, and I manage.
[17:27] <unknown__> but when am using ubuntu
[17:27] <unknown__> its like a shitty computer
[17:27] <altermann> thanks for shedding some light on apt-get
[17:27] <Pici> unknown__: mind your language here please.
[17:27] <trism> hawke_: with an old kernel
[17:28] <Wiz_KeeD> I think I will use the default backup then
[17:28] <hawke_> trism: no…'apt-get install linux-image-generic' does the job.
[17:29] <trism> hawke_: yes, apt-get install directly will *also* install new packages, you are correct
[17:29] <trism> hawke_: but apt-get upgrade will not
[17:30] <jjavaholic_> how can I change the position of the notify window?
[17:30] <SuperLag> unknown__: way to win friends and influence people. If you want help, you're starting off great. :)
[17:31] <hawke_> trism: Still, you don’t need to use dist-upgrade — I usually use plain upgrade and then follow up all the ones that are kept back
[17:31] <trism> hawke_: yes alright, fine you are correct, had you said you chose to install each upgrade individually I would have agreed that would work too, but that was not really the current topic
[17:32] <gaby_> hello
[17:33] <gaby_> how to install temes for xfcce
[17:33] <gaby_> =
[17:39] <GeorgeJ> Has anyone managed to get WoW's launcher/updater to work with wine 1.7?
[17:39] <Pici> GeorgeJ: You'd be better off asking in #winehq for that
[17:40] <GeorgeJ> I did, it's no biggie to ask here aswell though, since it's related to gaming on ubuntu.
[17:40] <Dounoit> yay, I love games!
[17:40] <Strit> It worked in 1.6, why shouldn't it work in 1.7?
[17:40] <Pici> GeorgeJ: yep, just trying to get you help faster :)
[17:41] <GeorgeJ> Strit: I believe it has  something to do with the Secondary Logon Service. Other than that, the error doesn't say much.
[17:41] <Strit> Strange they would change that to not work in a version after a version where it worked. :)
[17:41] <GeorgeJ> I can't give wine1.6 a chance because wine1.6 in the ubuntu-wine ppa is actually wine 1.7.1 and I'm too lazy to compile an older version
[17:42] <Strit> Yeah, that is true.
[17:42] <Strit> Did you try adding dbghelp to libraries and marking it as disabled?
[17:43] <Strit> That works for the battle.net app, so might work for wow launcher
[17:44] <GeorgeJ> Strit: Hmm, I've no ideea how to do that, I'll look into it.
[17:45] <altermann> hi, there. is it possible to get rid of Unity and stick with KDE or another UI that's low on resources in Kubuntu 12.04?
[17:45] <iceroot> altermann: kubuntu does not have unity by default
[17:45] <Strit> GeorgeJ, okay mate. It's in the Configure Wine options under Libraries.
[17:45] <Strit> KDE low on ressources?
[17:45] <iceroot> altermann: and i would say kde4 is using nearly the same ressources as unity
[17:46] <altermann> iceroot, unity seems clunky and buttons do not respond when pressed
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> KDE is more repsonsive, in my experience
[17:46] <chris_young> Does any one know if Ubuntu Desktop installs any additional audio components other than pulseAudio? I ask because my external USB audio interface (Akai EIE) works plug and play on my MacBook Pro which has a stock Ubuntu Desktop install. However it does not work with my Xeon server which has vanilla Ubuntu and XFCE.
[17:46] <iceroot> altermann: have a look at xfce4 (xubuntu-desktop) or lxde (lubuntu-desktop)
[17:47] <altermann> iceroot, i cannot reinstall the OS, i must do this on the live system
[17:47] <iceroot> altermann: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:47] <iceroot> altermann: or lubuntu-desktop
[17:47] <altermann> and apt-get remove unity?
[17:48] <xangua> altermann: why would you want to remove unity¿
[17:49] <iceroot> !purexfce | altermann
[17:49] <altermann> xangua, i don't want it and i don't want to have to wait for updates to its packages if i'm not using it
because unity is terribad</trolling>
[17:49] <altermann> hawke_, i have had poor experience with it, especially with NX
[17:50] <altermann> and also the Unity interface
[17:50] <hawke_> altermann: Yes, I am not a fan of the Unity interface at all.
[17:50] <altermann> for the life of me, i cannot connect using NX any more and i've exhausted all troubleshooting steps i could find
[17:50] <altermann> i'm thinking it's unity at fault
[17:50] <hawke_> God forbid you should be able to actually find/launch applications that you don’t know the name of.
[17:51] <altermann> scrolling for your application can be a pain that's for sure
[17:51] <kostkon> !ot
[17:52] <Freeaqingme> I'm running wine through sudo. Everything works (X, networking), but not the audio. How can I debug/fix that?
[17:52] <kostkon> Freeaqingme, why with sudo?
[17:52] <liahim2> exit
[17:53] <Freeaqingme> kostkon, because I want to run it as a different user. I'm not running it as root
[17:53] <Strit> sudo makes it run as root....
[17:53] <Freeaqingme> sudo -u otheruser -H <binary> doesn't really?
[17:53] <mr-blah> blazemore:  where does the Ubuntu installer install GRUB by default ex:hd(0,0). I'm trying to avoid creating this problem again.
[17:53] <kostkon> Freeaqingme, then you aren't going to get sound. pulseaudio is running and using the soundcard only for the current user
[17:54] <Freeaqingme> kostkon, I more or less figured that. The question is how I could make it also work for the other user
[17:54] <altermann> iceroot, reading that guide you posted. one of the steps says "remove ubuntu" is that unity they're referring to?
[17:54] <iceroot> altermann: ubuntu-desktop  is unity
[17:54] <altermann> kk
[17:55] <kostkon> Freeaqingme, either remove pulse from the equation, it could work like that, with only alsa, or make pulseaudio run as a system process, it could work again, not 100% certain, but that's not safe according to the pulse devs
[17:55] <Freeaqingme> kostkon, tnx
[17:57] <mr-blah> where does the Ubuntu installer install GRUB by default ex:hd(0,0). I'm trying to avoid creating boot problem again.
[17:58] <Strit> mr-blah, /dev/sda i think
[17:59] <mr-blah> Strit: last time it installed to sda1, on top of windows recovery, causing me HUGE issues. i'm trying to prevent tht
[17:59] <genii> mr-blah: Usually first bootable hd which grub sees as 0,0 and Ubuntu sees as /dev/sda
[17:59] <silvio_> alguem do brasil ai?
[17:59] <genii> You don't want to install it to a partition of a drive, just the drive itself. eg: sda NOT sda1
[18:00] <mr-blah> genii: sda2 is my ntfs windows partition, and it has a boot flag; i this normal?
[18:00] <xangua> !pt | silvio_
[18:00] <Strit> mr-blah, it should only install to /dev/sda1 if you tell it too. Just make sure it's set to /dev/sda only. :)
[18:00] <silvio_> ok
[18:01] <genii> mr-blah: It's normal but not necessary
[18:03] <mr-blah> genii: so if have: sda1:windows recovery, sda2: windows(ntfs), sda3 ubuntu(ext4), sda4:swap, then sda is where the bootloader goes? which sda# has the boot flag then?
[18:04] <genii> mr-blah: sda is the entire drive. sda# are partitions. So putting bootloader on sda ( and not a partition) means it's going on the Master Boot Record
[18:04] <Strit> yes, bootloader goes to sda.
[18:05] <genii> mr-blah: What partitions have or don't have bootable flags is meaningless. Grub will just boot whatever OS from whatever partitons it's told to
[18:05] <altermann> is this some sort of bug: Problem: O:Mono.Simd.Vector2d.Conversion, with xpath: /Type/Members/Member[@MemberName='op_Conversion']/Docs
[18:05] <altermann> ?
[18:06] <fak3r> I'm running saucy x86_64, how can I install ia32-sun-java6-bin (or any 32-bit java)
[18:06] <mr-blah> genii: is the ubuntu installer smart enough to figure this out o its own? last time I had BIG issues...
[18:06] <vanderson> Hi, after a update my Ubuntu 13.04 brokes. When I try to start it (with different versions of the kernel: 3.5 and 3.8) it just keep loading and loading. When I press ESC to see the log it show just a msg from fsck: sda8 xxx/yyy clean ... The HD light of the notebook stays on all the time, but nothing else happens. Some one knows what I could do to find the problem.
[18:06] <wilee-nilee> !saucy | fak3r
[18:06] <iceroot> !saucy | fak3r
[18:07] <genii> mr-blah: When the grub-install is ran, it will look and find all the operating systems on all the drives, then make entries for them on the MBR
[18:07] <mr-blah> genii:  if i do the standard "along side" install, will i have the oppurtunity to resize the ntfs, assuming that only sda1, and sda2 are present?
[18:07] <kimda> hi. i am running kvm on a server with bridging. the first 5 hours it will run perfectly and after that there are problems pinging on the host to outside hosts (ex. yahoo.com etc..) does anybody have an idea how to fix this or maybe pointers?
[18:09] <genii> mr-blah: If Ubuntu is on a different drive then you likely won't get the resize option
[18:09] <genii> Work, afk
[18:09] <mr-blah> genii: so for a dual boot, i should resize partitions w gparted before i run the installer?
[18:10] <linuxuz3r> hi
[18:10] <Strit> mr-blah, yeah, that's what I would do.
[18:10] <linuxuz3r> whats new in 1310?
[18:10] <mr-blah> Strit:  thanks
[18:10] <DJones> !13.10 | linuxuz3r
[18:11] <Strit> mr-blah, just make sure it places the bootloader in /dev/sda this time. :)
[18:11] <mr-blah> Strit: 10-4
[18:12] <shankhs_> Hi While installing ubuntu I got this error: cant open /dev/sr0 no medium found . How can I fix this error?
[18:13] <shankhs_> i googled and found that its because of bug #492301
[18:14] <shankhs_> The fix says I have to modify the boot options, how can I do that?
[18:14] <altermann> anybody using Nomachine's NX with ubuntu?
[18:15] <Freeaqingme> kostkon, fyi, I did come up with this. By sharing the pulse cookie, Either user netflix, or the other user is able to use pulseaudio, though not simultaneously http://pastebin.com/SpdgB9EH
[18:17] <kostkon> Freeaqingme, nice. so the wine stuff was about netflix
[18:17] <Freeaqingme> kostkon, yup. But I tested it also using winecfg, and was able to conclude that it was not silverlight/netflix specific
[18:17] <kostkon> Freeaqingme, yeap
[18:18] <Freeaqingme> and by running it as its own user, I can route its traffic via a different route
[18:18] <vanderson> Someone could help me with a problem with my Ubuntu?
[18:18] <xangua> !ask | vanderson
[18:18] <Freeaqingme> vanderson, just ask your question ;)
[18:18] <SuperLag> vanderson: best just get right into the problem
[18:19] <vanderson> My Ubuntu just keep in a infinite boot loading
[18:19] <vanderson> I try to change the Kernel but the problem stay
[18:19] <SuperLag> vanderson: what's changed recently?
[18:20] <vanderson> I make a upgrade of the system, but I usually just suspend so I did a lot of things ;)
[18:21] <vanderson> When I try to restart yesterday it's just brokes
[18:21] <fission6> can someone review the following instructions to set up a swap and let me know if they make sense, i have 512 memory on ubunutu 12 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-add-swap-on-ubuntu-12-04
[18:21] <vanderson> I press esc to see the log, but it's almost empty
[18:21] <krust> Hello fellas
[18:21] <vanderson> just with a msg from fsck
[18:21] <krust> im the only one who got a reboot by overheating when gaming on ubuntu?
[18:22] <Strit> krust, did you game on a laptop with switchable graphics cards?
[18:23] <wilee-nilee> fission6, Do you have no room for a swap partition?
[18:23] <krust> Yes sir
[18:23] <fission6> wilee-nilee: what do you mean
[18:23] <fission6> i have a DigitalOCean small instance, i have 512 M memory, and 18 G on disk
[18:23] <krust> Strit, yes
[18:23] <wilee-nilee> fission6, That is a swap file, generally swap is a partition.
[18:23] <Strit> krust, dud you install proprietary drivers?
[18:24] <Strit> did*
[18:24] <krust> Strit, im on a 13.04 Vostro 3550 notebook, with radeon 6630m graphics switchable to intel 4000, using latest Beta proprietary amd drivers
[18:24] <fission6> im confused
[18:24] <shankhs_> Hi While installing ubuntu I got this error: cant open /dev/sr0 no medium found . How can I fix this error? i googled and found that its because of bug #492301 The fix says I have to modify the boot options, can somebody please tell me how can i do that? Thanks
[18:24] <fission6> wilee-nilee: can you explain how you know thats  swap
[18:25] <HSaka> Hello, I installed rtorrent and rutorrent on my ubuntu server. When I rebooted my server, i'm getting a message that something is wrong with the raid
[18:25] <wilee-nilee> fission6, "Create and Enable the Swap File" This is all over the article, what is your goal here?
[18:25] <Strit> Hm. is both cards active?
[18:25] <HSaka> http://pastebin.com/N5sBgHQw
[18:25] <g00s> i would like to create a minimal ubuntu virtualbox VM that only runs inkscape. what would be the best minimal 'template' to start with? i thought something along the lines of ubuntu server + lxde + inkscape?
[18:25] <krust> Strit, i dont think so, at least on catalyst control center ive choosed the ATI
[18:26] <fission6> i have 512 M and 18 G of disk space, one of my python processes which utilizes postgres runs out of memory and gets SIGKILL - i was hoping to maybe avoid this by setting up some swap space wilee-nilee
[18:26] <Strit> krust, No idea why it gets so hot then. Unless you turned the fan off. :P
[18:26] <krust> Strit, ive pasted the fglrx info on ur pvt
[18:26] <vanderson> The /var/log/dmesg will have more information about the boot process?
[18:27] <wilee-nilee> fission6, A swap file is okay, this is a VM right?
[18:27] <altermann> iceroot, i'm getting all sorts of cifs mounting errors after replacing unity with XFCE. could that be a cause?
[18:27] <krust> Sad ; (
[18:28] <iceroot> altermann: what error message exactly?
[18:28] <iceroot> !paste | altermann
[18:28] <HSaka> could somebody help me? :/?
[18:29] <iceroot> !ask | HSaka
[18:29] <HSaka> i did ask
[18:30] <iceroot> HSaka: rtorrent has nothing to do with raid
[18:30] <fission6> when does the OS know when to use the swap
[18:30] <HSaka> when it is booting up
[18:30] <iceroot> fission6: when data are not needed that much they will go to swap instead of ram
[18:30] <shankhs_> has somebody any experience with modifying the ubuntu boot options?
[18:30] <wilee-nilee> !swappiness | fission6
[18:30] <HSaka> I never had the issue before before now.
[18:30] <linuxuz3r> fission6, hi
[18:30] <fission6> hi
[18:31] <linuxuz3r> fission6, swaps are used always
[18:31] <wilee-nilee> fission6, There is swappiness this can be adjusted.
[18:31] <iceroot> HSaka: then have a look what dmraid (or whatever you are using) is telling you as the error
[18:31] <fission6> ok, hmm not sure what direction to go here
[18:31] <iceroot> HSaka: you were facing raid issues before and it has nothing to do with rtorrent, the issues are just shown up during the next boot
[18:31] <iceroot> fission6: normally you should not change the behavior how the system is swapping
[18:32] <HSaka> I've tried to reboot it many times, now it's asking me only about I want to do a degraded RAID.
[18:32] <Pici> HSaka: what do you want to do about your degraded RAID?
[18:32] <dob> hello
[18:32] <linuxuz3r> hi what else can i install in ubuntu for eye candy
[18:33] <HSaka> I want to solve it, back to normal. It says it only notices 2 of 3 raid hdd
[18:33] <HSaka> http://pastebin.com/N5sBgHQw
[18:33] <dob> if i add a ip with up ip -6 addr add 2a01:xxx:xxx:xx::5/64 dev eth0 it's automatically configured as my primary outgoing ip. Why?
[18:33] <iceroot> HSaka: check if the missing hdd is still working
[18:34] <iceroot> HSaka: is the bios detecing the drive?
[18:34] <wilee-nilee> linuxuz3r, this is support, how about a spoiler.
[18:36] <linuxuz3r> ok
[18:36] <HSaka> iceroot, it says health is good and everything is okey.
[18:36] <wilee-nilee> shankhs_, Can you state the goals here.
[18:37] <shankhs_> Hi wilee-nilee While installing ubuntu I got this error: cant open /dev/sr0 no medium found . How can I fix this error? i googled and found that its because of bug #492301 The fix says I have to modify the boot options, can somebody please tell me how can i do that? Thanks
[18:37] <wilee-nilee> shankhs_, This a dual boot, say with W8?
[18:37] <shankhs_> yes
[18:38] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | shankhs_
[18:38] <iceroot> HSaka: when ythe system is started, is it rebuilding the raid? cat /proc/mdstat
[18:38] <wilee-nilee> shankhs_, Sounds like you have the uefi install of W8, so take a look at the link.
[18:39] <shankhs_> wilee-nilee: Thanks, I have AMD processor can that cause any issue?
[18:39] <asgsagsd> my sound system tray icon suddenly wont let me change the sound
[18:39] <lapion> I am having problems reinstalling grub for a system with the root btrfs filesystem
[18:40] <wilee-nilee> shankhs_, uefi is part of the hardware and software, so amd is probably not the issue per-say
[18:40] <shankhs_> wilee-nilee: ok thanks
[18:40] <wilee-nilee> shankhs_, Grub just does not go to the mbr is all
[18:40] <designbybeck> Installing Ubuntu 13.04 on a Dell Inspiron that had a 32SSD and 500GB. Ubuntu Install doesn't show any harddrives. We were going to wipe Windows off and don't care about it
[18:40] <asgsagsd> the sound still works though
[18:41] <wilee-nilee> shankhs_, as far as the error
[18:41] <asgsagsd> and alsamixer still works
[18:41] <designbybeck> Secure Boot is disabled in the BIOS
[18:41] <altermann> looks like i've screwed up my system and i can't install KDE
[18:41] <asgsagsd> sound settings control panel shows no devices
[18:41] <asgsagsd> this is odd
[18:42] <Strit> designbybeck, does the BIOS/UEFI detect the drives?
[18:42] <altermann> i'm trying to reinstall kde and i'm getting the following errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6093706/
[18:42] <altermann> i went from unity to xfce and kind of messed up my system
[18:42] <designbybeck> Yes Strit It was booting into Windos fine
[18:43] <lapion> I am having problems reinstalling grub for a system with the root on a btrfs
[18:43] <Strit> designbybeck, windows 8?
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> altermann, Did you try to remove any other desktops?
[18:43] <designbybeck> It had Win 7 on there Strit, but the Win8 key icon! ;)
[18:43] <altermann> wilee-nilee, yes, unity
[18:44] <linuxuz3r> later guys
[18:44] <Strit> designbybeck, is it running SecureBoot?
[18:44] <wilee-nilee> altermann, Bad idea, unity is the ubuntu desktop and composed of meta packages including gnome 3
[18:44] <altermann> wilee-nilee, this is kubuntu i'm running but i had to erase kde cause it was crashing a lot
[18:45] <altermann> thou it seems unity was causing some issues too
[18:45]  * LinuxGold is running Ubuntu Server 13.04 -- console only.
[18:45] <designbybeck> Strit:  In BIOS BOOT ..it was on Legacy, And Secure Boot is Disabled
[18:45] <lapion> can anyone tell me what grub commands to use to boot with the root files system on a a partition with it volume in /@/
[18:45] <ChogyDan> altermann: try running `sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^` with the ^
[18:45] <wilee-nilee> altermann, YOU have to remove them with meta package lists if you want them gone, not apt remove unity...etc
[18:45] <altermann> ChogyDan, it's working
[18:45] <altermann> thanks
[18:46] <Strit> designbybeck, Hm, can't really say why it won't see them then. Never had it happen to me.
[18:46] <unknown101> Can skype 12.04 work with ubuntu 13.04
[18:46] <wilee-nilee> altermann, What ubuntu release is this?
[18:46] <ChogyDan> unknown101: I think so.  I tested it marginally
[18:46] <designbybeck> Strit:  Ok thank you, I'll keep diggin in the bios and try again
[18:46] <altermann> wilee-nilee, 12.04 Kubuntu
[18:47] <unknown101> okay thanks
[18:47] <unknown101> anyway time to close my ubuntu upgrade is almost done
[18:47] <unknown101> restart time :P
[18:47] <altermann> wilee-nilee, it's acting as printing server and we need konsole because the dev made all the scripts run in it
[18:47] <wilee-nilee> altermann, Cool take a look here in playing around left panel it gives you package lists. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/
[18:48] <altermann> i was following this guide to replace unity with something less stressful to use: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntuprecise
[18:48] <altermann> but it seems it took out konsole in the process
[18:48] <altermann> good thing it didn't take out apache or something else
[18:48] <ChogyDan> altermann: I use debfoster to clean up my install from time to time.  It is a great tool if you know all and exactly what packages you want, at least the meta-packages.
[18:49] <altermann> ChogyDan, unfortunately i'm a red hat and bsd guy, i just could not find an easy way to replace ubuntu on this server so i'll have to work with it for now and maybe learn a thing or two :)
[18:49] <altermann> thanks for all your support
[18:51] <wilee-nilee> altermann, thats a bit of a mess for just a print server.
[18:51] <altermann> wilee-nilee, i know
[18:52] <altermann> that's how the guy wrote the code
[18:52] <altermann> :(
[18:52] <altermann> it's stupid to require X for anything like that
[18:52] <wilee-nilee> that was my thought
[18:52] <Marlenee> i try to remove programme and its not remove - apt-get remove programme ???
[18:52] <serycjon> Hi, into which config file should I put script that should run when X11 start (for remapping capslock to escape)? thanks!
[18:52] <Guest70105> apt-get purge program
[18:53] <Guest70105> apt-get autroremove
[18:53] <Marlenee> the programme still have files not removed
[18:53] <altermann> wilee-nilee, i'll remove XFCE @ end of day and stick with KDE only on this system
[18:53] <wilee-nilee> Marlenee, You want to name the "program" details are importatnt.
[18:54] <ChogyDan> altermann: aptitude can also install a random program if there are lot's of dependency issues.  I didn't catch your whole issue, but if you only needed to get konsole installed, you could have used aptitude, and I think it would have given you some options to resolve the dependency issues
[18:54] <altermann> chockey, i think you're right, i might have done that in the past
[18:54] <Marlenee> wilee-nilee : its nmap programme
[18:55] <altermann> all i needed was konsole but libcore qt woudln't install
[18:55] <wilee-nilee> Marlenee, To the channel with your requests is all.
[18:57] <Marlenee> wilee-nilee : apt-get remove nmap is store script in their folder and its not remove any of this subfolder or even this files ?
[18:57] <rm_work> I'm trying to package something and somehow "init-system-helpers" is getting injected into my dependencies (via mypackage.substvars, it looks like) during the dpkg-buildpackage run, and I have no idea where the hell that's coming from, because that package doesn't even exist in quantal (the distro i'm on) and the string doesn't come up from an rgrep of my whole source directory… T_T
[18:58] <rm_work> anyone have any idea about where else I could check to see where this phantom dep is coming from?
[18:58] <wilee-nilee> Marlenee, I'm not familiar with nmap so I can't really help, a purge removes more, however there can be dependencies left.
[18:59] <Marlenee> what is the command to remove all depenedcies ??
[18:59] <altermann> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6093807/ should i be concerned about this?
[18:59] <mr-blah> there has to be a bug in the ubuntu installer.
[19:00] <serycjon> Hi, into which config file should I put script that should run when X11 start (for remapping capslock to escape)? thanks!
[19:00] <ChogyDan> altermann: yeah, but you didn't post the error, just the notification that the error happened
[19:00] <mr-blah> it is not giving me the option to install ubuntu alongside windows.
[19:00] <blazemore> mr-blah: What issue are you having?
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> Marlenee, you want to know what they are before you start removing stuff, and there is no stock command if you just have them there after running a remove.
[19:00] <blazemore> mr-blah: Did you run chkdsk on the faulty partition like I advised earlier?
[19:01] <xkernel> what is the Ubuntuonair channel?
[19:01] <ChogyDan> Marlenee: unless you are just looking for `sudo apt-get autoremove`  that can do some dependency removal
[19:01] <blazemore> mr-blah: I know you can't boot into Windows at the moment, but you can use a similar utility from the LiveCD. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fix-corrupted-windows-ntfs-filesystem-ubuntu/
[19:02] <OerHeks> mr-blah, sounds like you have 4 primairy partitions
[19:02] <altermann> i'm still getting errors from libQtCore.so.4
[19:02] <mr-blah> blazemore: i restored windows, which nuked the hd.  i created this scheme w gparted: sda1: windowsrecovery, sda2 windows, sda3 ext4, sda 4 swap. i run the ubuntu installer, but no option to install alongside windows.....
[19:02] <altermann> so i need to change konsole to terminal in the scripts
[19:02] <el3ktra> ls
[19:02] <el3ktra> anyone awake
[19:02] <ChogyDan> altermann: just pastebin the whole error, and maybe we can help
[19:02] <altermann> will do
[19:03] <el3ktra> hey, this should be a simple problem...
[19:03] <el3ktra> I have a file, I need to output lines that match to a new file
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, That is 4 primaries sda1,2,3,4
[19:03] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  yes
[19:03] <el3ktra> It's an xml file, and I want to output everything with <Name>
[19:03] <el3ktra> this should eb really simnple, I just can't figure it out, and I am in a hurry :P
[19:04] <blazemore> mr-blah: You recovered your windows *bootloader* - your actual ntfs partition is still marked as dirty which means the Ubuntu installer won't attempt to resize it. Also, since you just said you made custom partitions why do you need the guided partitioning?
[19:04] <altermann> paste.ubuntu.com/6093833
[19:04] <altermann> that's my issue
[19:04] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i will let the ubuntu installer run then,
[19:04] <mr-blah> blazemore:  but this is exactly how it went before, and it trashed my system :(
[19:04] <ChogyDan> altermann: what happened to the error from dpkg?
[19:04] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, THat is the maximum, you want 3 and a extended partition for logical partitions for more partitions, I assume here this ia not a uefi gpt setup.
[19:05] <fission6> so its best to avoid swap partition if possible
[19:05] <blazemore> altermann: sudo apt-get install libqt4-core
[19:05] <Pici> el3ktra: there are some cli xslt programs in the repositories, those should be able to help you.
[19:05] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  i don't really understand uefi.
[19:05] <altermann> blazemore, it fails
[19:05] <wilee-nilee> fission6, No.
[19:05] <blazemore> mr-blah: You should get your partitions set up such that you have a big block of completely unpartitioned free space
[19:05] <ChogyDan> fission6: that's debatable.  If you run out of memory without swap, random procs get killed
[19:05] <LinuxGuy2020> Hello there is a game in the repos called "minetest" its a minecraft clone. I want to run the minetestserver on bootup of my home server. I tried "nohup minetestserver". It runs but it ties up the terminal until I ctrl+c. How can I do this and still have the terminal free to use?
[19:05] <blazemore> mr-blah: Then the Ubuntu installer will give you an option to install into that space
[19:05] <mr-blah> blazemore:  ok i will go back...
[19:06] <blazemore> LinuxGuy2020: nohup minetestserver &
[19:06] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, Can you take a screenshot of gparted and imagebin it.
[19:06] <OerHeks> LinuxGuy2020, <command> &
[19:06] <fission6> ChogyDan: thats exactly the issue am in right now, i have a python tasks which runs and gets killed, it does a lot of working a postgres transaction block - not sure what quick wins there are.
[19:06] <altermann> i'm using aptitude to install it blazemore and chockey
[19:06] <LinuxGuy2020> blazemore: Ok cool. What does the & mean at the end? Whats it tell the system to do?
[19:06] <altermann> ChogyDan,
[19:06] <fission6> i can 1) "slim the code" 2) add a swap 3) add memory
[19:06] <ChogyDan> fission6: have a swap file, and alter swappiness instead
[19:06] <altermann> seems it's halting
[19:07] <mr-blah> yup, the installer hosed my hd again
[19:07] <blazemore> LinuxGuy2020: http://hacktux.com/bash/ampersand
[19:07] <fission6> ChogyDan: have you set up a swap before
[19:07] <LinuxGuy2020> blazemore: thanks a bunch
[19:07] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  i can in like an hour after i restore gain. :( hosed again
[19:07] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, You hosed it using the installer, and not understanding.
[19:07] <el3ktra> the answer is sed, btw
[19:07] <ChogyDan> fission6: i guess.  I run a desktop install, and setting up swap is just a matter of creating a swap partition.  Everything else is automated
[19:07] <blazemore> mr-blah: You don't need to do anything at this point, just boot from the LiveCD
[19:07] <el3ktra> thanks for naan
[19:08] <mr-blah> blazemore:  why, my windows install is toast
[19:08] <blazemore> mr-blah: Once you're on the LiveCD, delete the (presumably empty) two partitions you just made, making sure there's a big empty unpartitioned space. Screenshot gparted and show us to be sure
[19:08] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i have to fix windows again now.
[19:08] <ChogyDan> altermann: again, you should pastebin the whole output with the error from apt-get/dpkg commands
[19:08] <blazemore> mr-blah: It's NOT toast, you just can't boot to it
[19:08] <fission6> ChogyDan: does this look decent
[19:09] <blazemore> mr-blah: It's still there and perfectly fine. You'll be able to boot to it once you've installed Ubuntu
[19:09] <altermann> ChogyDan, i know, i'm a bit stressed cause my corowkers can't print and i need to get this fixed
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, AS long as the HD is not dynamic you may be able to deal with this.
[19:09] <mr-blah> blazemore:  which image post site shall i use?
[19:09] <blazemore> mr-blah: I like imgur but that's because I sit on Reddit all day
[19:09] <altermann> that's why i wanted to know what the name of the xfce terminal was so i can added to the script and remove konsole
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> !imagebin | mr-blah
[19:10] <blazemore> altermann: xfce4-terminal
[19:10] <phong_> hi guys
[19:10] <ChogyDan> altermann: I'm no expert, but why not use bash or sh?  Maybe you could pastebin the script, and we could give some ideas
[19:11] <altermann> ChogyDan, let me login from the ubuntu machine
[19:11] <altermann> ChogyDan, i did not design it that way
[19:11] <altermann> our so called dev did and he took off
[19:11] <ChogyDan> yeah :(
[19:11] <designbybeck> Strit: Looks like those two drives were a RAID, we had to use Disks to format both of them, and then the installer saw them! Thank you for your help!
[19:12] <dak0> Hello, i just installed Ubuntu for first time on Fujitsu siemens Amilo pi 3525 and my web cam is not working, how can i fix this?
[19:13] <ChogyDan> dak0: no video?
[19:13] <dak0> ChogyDan: yes
[19:13] <altermann> it seems i can't install xchat on that machine
[19:13] <altermann> so i'm stuck here
[19:13] <gordonjcp> no great loss
[19:13] <gordonjcp> xchat sucks
[19:14] <ChogyDan> altermann: is that because of the previous package errors?
[19:14] <Barnabas> but irc rules which is the important part ..
[19:14] <mr-blah> blazemore: wilee-nilee totally hosed. ntfs is gone now
[19:15] <dak0> ChogyDan: Offical site for fujitsu does not provide any linux drivers for this specific model
[19:15] <Marlenee> any tools for clean ubuntu server from junks files ?
[19:15] <altermann> ChogyDan, yes indeed
[19:15] <altermann> let me try this again
[19:16] <altermann> i also need mysql connect
[19:16] <altermann> etc
[19:16] <Pici> Marlenee: whats a junk file?
[19:16] <ChogyDan> altermann: if there is any way you could pastebin the whole error, we could get further
[19:16] <iceroot> is it save to remove group and other access to /home/username? i have an encrpyted /home and dont want it to be accessed by others when the hdd is mounted
[19:16] <Marlenee> Pici : any kind of junk files
[19:16] <Marlenee> Pici : also any unneeded files !!
[19:17] <mr-blah> blazemore: starting winodws recovery again. next time this laptop is going out the window.
[19:17] <blazemore> mr-blah: If the ntfs partition is completely gone, so has your Windows installation. Recovering the bootloader won't help
[19:17] <ChogyDan> dak0: I would try testing with gstreamer-properties
[19:18] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i am re partitioning, and reinstalling windows.
[19:18] <blazemore> mr-blah: If I were you, I'd just take this oppertunity for a completely clean slate.
[19:18] <dob> how can i specify the default outgoing ip
[19:18] <blazemore> mr-blah: Yep do that. Let Windows eat the entire disk. Once it's totally done, the Ubuntu installer will detect and resize it properly
[19:18] <Pici> Marlenee: Why do you think that you have uneeded files on your server?
[19:18] <blazemore> mr-blah: 100% of your problems stemmed from your damaged ntfs partition
[19:19] <dak0> ChogyDan: sorry for being stupid how can i do that ?
[19:19] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i already did this once
[19:19] <blazemore> mr-blah: 100% of your problems you mentioned here, not your total problems in life
[19:19] <Strit> designbybeck, np mate. glad you figured it out. :)
[19:19] <Pici> iceroot: should be okay for other access.  Your default group only has yourself in it though.
[19:19] <ChogyDan> dak0: run the command on a terminal
[19:19] <mr-blah> blazemore:  this is my only problem
[19:20] <mr-blah> blazemore:  i should be ready to try again in an hour.
[19:20] <iceroot> Pici: groups michael
[19:20] <iceroot> michael : michael cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev scanner bluetooth netdev
[19:20] <iceroot> Pici: i am not sure about "sudo" that is strange for me
[19:20] <Pici> iceroot: okay? your home directory is likely owned by michael:michael though
[19:20] <iceroot> Pici: yes
[19:21] <LinuxGuy2020> "nohup ./minetestserver &" the terminal still is tied up. Didnt work it seems. Any other ideas?
[19:21] <Marlenee> Pici : you dont know what is the tool for cleaning
[19:21] <mr-blah> blazemore: when the installer gives it the hose, i will you tube the usb stick getting flattened out with a sledge hammer
[19:22] <Pici> iceroot: the groups command shows what groups your user is in.
[19:22] <iceroot> Pici: when i have for example "video" in my group" and i have another user which has also "video" in his group, does that mean that he can access something (with some hacks for example) because in both groups there is that user
[19:22] <iceroot> Pici: ah, i thought it were users and not groups
[19:22] <tflgen2> is there anyone here that is a thunderbird pro?
[19:22] <iceroot> tflgen2: #thunderbird in irc.mozilla.org
[19:22] <MonkeyDust> tflgen2  i use thunderbird, what seems to be the issue?
[19:23] <dak0> ChogyDan: when i test video this appears in console, Cannot identify device '/dev/video0'. [v4l2_calls.c(493): gst_v4l2_open (): /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstV4l2Src:v4l2src1: system error: No such file or directory]
[19:23] <ChogyDan> LinuxGuy2020: does adding disown to the end work?
[19:23] <Pici> Marlenee: There is no standard tool for cleaning up junk.  Things shouldn't be putting files all over the place. Typically it is up to you to determine what files are needed or not needed.
[19:23] <jhutchins> LinuxGuy2020: I suggest you comb the minetest documentation for how to daemonize the server, or just give up and sacrifice a console.
[19:23] <tflgen2> iceroot: thanks, MonkeyDust don't want to clutter the chat here
[19:23] <yeehi> where is current package list for raring?
[19:23] <jhutchins> LinuxGuy2020: It's not like there's any shortage of consoles on a linux box.
[19:23] <ChogyDan> dak0: that just means that the webcam really isn't working
[19:23] <Pici> yeehi: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[19:23] <yeehi> Thanks, Pici
[19:24] <LinuxGuy2020> jhutchins: got ya. thanks
[19:24] <designbybeck> Strit: On reboot, we got a Kernel Panic... not syncin: No init found
[19:24] <jhutchins> LinuxGuy2020: Oh, look at that, right on the minetest homepage: #minetest @ Freenode
[19:24] <LinuxGuy2020> jhutchins: yeah not many linux folks though it seems
[19:24] <LinuxGuy2020> jhutchins: ill try again
[19:25] <iceroot> Pici: so i will just remove all access for "others" and stay with the group rights
[19:25] <jhutchins> ,versions minetest
[19:25] <iceroot> Pici: do you also know how where to set the umask for a specific user? i dont want other-read as default for a specific user
[19:26] <Pici> iceroot: not off the top of my head, sorry.
[19:27] <iceroot> Pici: np, i will have a look on that
[19:27] <iceroot> i guess samba access (with auth) will be run as the auth user, so i will not face issues with "removing the right for others" when the samba user and the passwd user are the same
[19:36] <Doomhammer> anyone know if the latest ubuntu desktop livecd has kernel support for bcache?
[19:36] <plumblum> hello peeps, is there a way to install skydrive on an ubuntu server without using a 3rd party like Storage made easy
[19:36] <xapak> Hello.
[19:37] <iceroot> Doomhammer: not the stable releases, that feature is in 3.10 (imo)
[19:37] <Doomhammer> iceroot, yeah, it's kernel 3.10 or later afaik - does an unstable livecd exist with that kernel?
[19:37] <iceroot> Doomhammer: #ubuntu+1
[19:38] <Doomhammer> iceroot, ah, thanks! :)
[19:38] <iceroot> Doomhammer: dont know what the current dev-version is using
[19:39] <KI7MT> Well, it's Sept, 2013, so my guess Ubuntu+1 = 2013+October or 13.10 is Ubuntu+1
[19:40] <ThePendulum> Hey
[19:40] <designbybeck> I had a Kernal Panic on one laptop install. I couldn't get Ubuntu 13.04 installed on it, but LinuxMint 15 Installed fine, Now I have another Laptop trying to install Ubuntu 13.04 on, but I get another Kernel Panic
[19:41] <jhutchins> designbybeck: Perhaps you have a bad installer image.
[19:41] <designbybeck> We've tried to jumpdrives
[19:41] <ThePendulum> I came in here twice for the same issue. The first time I was provided a solution but I don't remember what it was. The 2nd time, the solution didn't work.
[19:41] <designbybeck> The installed seemed to install just fine jhutchins
[19:42] <designbybeck> jhutchins:  though It did have a SSD we tried to make / and the 500GB we set to /home
[19:42] <jhutchins> ThePendulum: Someone will be in touch with you about your refund.
[19:42] <ThePendulum> At school, I can't connect to any of the student WAPs (WPA/WPA2 Enterprise), while they work fine on my phone and my laptop under Windows.
[19:43] <xapak> Anybody has tried installing Minimal Ubuntu on Virtualbox? I get up to the point where it should download the base files, but it stays in the purple screen, and nothing happens. I tried expert install, to no avail.
[19:43] <ThePendulum> I am using Ubuntu 12.04, but the issue appears on a 13.04 LiveUSB, too.
[19:43] <jhutchins> designbybeck: Did it panic in the installer or afterward?
[19:43] <jhutchins> !wpa2
[19:44] <designbybeck> the liveboot and install went ok jhutchins, but the first boot has paniced, I trieed a few init=5 and such in grub, but didnt' seem to help
[19:44] <jhutchins> designbybeck: Yeah, runlevels in debian derived systems are pretty much useless.
[19:45] <jhutchins> designbybeck: Try single/1 or rescue
[19:45] <ThePendulum> jhutchins: There's so much guide there that there isn't really a way to get anywhere with it unless you have any idea at all what to look for
[19:45] <designbybeck> how do I do single/1 or rescue jhutchins ?
[19:45] <jhutchins> ThePendulum: Look for the part about wpa/wpa2 enterprise.
[19:46] <ThePendulum> Ah yeah, that part
[19:47] <jhutchins> ThePendulum: Maybe wpasupplicant - but I use wpa here and don't have to do anything special.
[19:47] <crystal77> Who do I get in contact with, to update the nginx repo? It's way out of date. ):
[19:48] <jhutchins> crystal77: WHich repo?
[19:48] <crystal77> No idea. I just do "apt-get install nginx", and it's out of date, haha.
[19:48] <Marlenee> !tmux
[19:49] <ThePendulum> jhutchins: Installed that as of the advice of someone else
[19:49] <ThePendulum> To no avail
[19:49] <ThePendulum> Someone had a script earlier
[19:49] <KI7MT> crystal77, Ubuntu Devs are teh maintainers [ ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com ]
[19:50] <jhutchins> crystal77: Most ubuntu repos don't sync with upstream.  Packages are tested and patched before they're released so they don't break anything, and this means they're never going to be quite as current as the latest version from upstream..
[19:50] <designbybeck> jhutchins:  the single/1 or resuce is something I put into GRUB boot options?
[19:50] <jhutchins> ThePendulum: I just use network manager via an applet for my desktop (xfce).
[19:51] <soroush> Hi, alsamixer show too few options for me! The terminal or graphical interfaces are the same. I use ubuntu 10.04 on hp mini 210 with sound card Hewlett-Packard Company Device 338d. I tried f5 and f6. the only device available is hda intel
[19:51] <jhutchins> yes, single, 1, or rescue appended to the boot command.
[19:51] <ChogyDan> crystal77: you need to also check debian, see if there is a more uptodate package there
[19:51] <jhutchins> designbybeck: yes, single, 1, or rescue appended to the boot command.
[19:52] <crystal77> Interesting. Even though these are security updates (I won't argue with you guys :)). I shall check!
[19:52] <jhutchins> designbybeck: runlevels 2-5 are identical in ubuntu/debian.
[19:52] <jhutchins> crystal77: Which release are you running?
[19:52] <SuperLag> I have CapsLock switched to Ctrl. I put my laptop into sleep mode at work, and now that I'm home, my system is stuck in all caps, unless I hold Shift down as I type. Is there some command I can enter to switch back to lowercase, without requiring a logout or reboot?
[19:52] <crystal77> jhutchins: the latest
[19:52] <designbybeck> so jhutchins I add something like "quiet splash 1"
[19:52] <designbybeck> ?
[19:52] <aethelrick> hello all, just had a mishap with 12.04 64 bit... I installed steam and it removed a bunch of 64 bit pacakges and replaced them with 32 bit ones... reboot resulted in no Xorg session starting. I removed steam and reinstated xinit, xserver-xorg-core and xserver-common and my desktop came back, but now I have to log in twice before it works
[19:53] <jhutchins> designbybeck: I think that will work, but I switch distros a lot so...
[19:53] <designbybeck> ok thanks I'll try that
[19:53] <ThePendulum> jhutchins: I wish it was that simple
[19:53] <designbybeck> ok a 1 by itself didn't work
[19:53] <TsarObomba> Anyone know about the inner working of pastebinit (ubuntus speciality pastebin tool from cli)
[19:54] <SwashBuckla> !ipod
[19:54] <TsarObomba> I know the -b switch allows you to switch paste sites, but is there any other way short of making an lias?
[19:54] <TsarObomba> alias*
[19:54] <jhutchins> ThePendulum: You could check your history file.  You said there was a script, did you save it somewhere?  Have you considered taking notes, particularly when you solve a problem?
[19:54] <TsarObomba> Like a config file or anything that defines its defaults? cause by default it uses paste.ubuntu.com
[19:54] <aethelrick> lightdm reports a critical error which I think is probably causing the restart... while I'll likely be able to fix this is their a way I can make sure all default packages are installed in case it's more missing stuff
[19:55] <ChogyDan> crystal77: what is the latest version?  Im seeing 1.4
[19:55] <jhutchins> TsarObomba: Did you check the man page?
[19:56] <TsarObomba> will now, i was jiust reading the help page on ubuntus site
[19:56] <sabret00the> Right click sucks on all of my machines, is there anything I can do to fix it?
[19:56] <KI7MT> TsarObomba, man pastebinit .. there's an XML file that goes into /home
[19:56] <XMLnewbi> what does green highlighting mean in terminal again
[19:56] <natsukao> stop stupid discussions on LKML against ARM Soc, from Linus Torvalds https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/9/562
[19:56] <TsarObomba> yup i see it
[19:56] <SwashBuckla> hmm, my iPod shuffle (latest generation) has been wiped by Rhythmbox when I tried to sync with the library. Now I get the voice "Please use iTunes to restore this iPod" when I listen to my iPod shuffle. How do I fix this?
[19:56] <ThePendulum> jhutchins: Someone linked me a script but I never implemented it because I was on an SSH session
[19:56] <jhutchins> sabret00the: set RIGHT_CLICK=BLOW in xorg.conf?
[19:56] <blazemore> XMLnewbi: It depends on the application. That's like asking what a green icon means in an application :)
[19:57] <SwashBuckla> NOTE: !ipod does not seem to be relevant to my issue.
[19:57] <blazemore> SwashBuckla: I think some people have had success running older versions of iTunes in Wine
[19:58] <TsarObomba> hmm that example file isnt working for me
[19:58] <TsarObomba> well a similar one
[19:58] <jhutchins> SwashBuckla: It probably wants to restore the software.
[19:58] <TsarObomba> I used theirs and modified
[19:59] <crystal77> ChogyDan: Really? I just installed nginx, and it's 1.2
[20:00] <TsarObomba> would it need xml headers at the top?
[20:00] <TsarObomba> cause the example doesnt show it
[20:00] <ChogyDan> crystal77: well, im on 13.10, so Im a bad rep, but it does look packages for some version of ubuntu
[20:00] <TsarObomba> (this might just be easiuer with a bash alias)
[20:00] <TsarObomba> KI7MT: ideas?
[20:01] <crystal77> ChogyDan: I'm on Ubuntu 13.04 x64
[20:01] <TsarObomba> KI7MT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094070/
[20:01] <TsarObomba> it ignores it
[20:01] <TsarObomba> unless i need to login and out, but its not likesz its bash related
[20:02] <sabret00the> jhutchins: Where do I find xorg.conf?
[20:02] <crystal77> ChogyDan: I would install nginx from source, but it's over compliated, and so much work. Plus, I have no idea how one would even update it...
[20:03] <dyreshark> hi, i'm getting an error with low free space. how can i fix it?
[20:03] <ChogyDan> crystal77: well, 13.10 is coming out in 2 months as well
[20:03] <bekks> dyreshark: free up space.
[20:03] <crystal77> I lol'd
[20:05] <jhutchins> sabret00the: That was an entirely frivolous answer in response to the frivolous and undefined nature of your question.  "Right click sucks on all of my machines" is completely suggestive and not something we can fix.
[20:05] <XMLnewbi> just read all through this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions             and did not find any example that looks like;  drwxr-sr-x   what does drw mean, and sr
[20:05] <KI7MT> TsarObomba, check /usr/share.pastebind
[20:05] <TsarObomba> crystal77: they have a ppa for nginx (i didnt read anything above you mentioning source)
[20:05] <jhutchins> sabret00the: xorg.conf is often found in /etc/X11/ but is mostly obsolete.
[20:05] <TsarObomba> thanks
[20:05] <KI7MT> /usr/share/pastebin.d
[20:06] <TsarObomba> what file?
[20:06] <TsarObomba> those are just configs for each padstebin site
[20:06] <TsarObomba> which i know work
[20:06] <crystal77> TsarObomba: Yeah, I'm still trying to understand what a PPA is. Sounds like (from what I read), using another source for when you install nginx, so instead of hitting Ubuntu's server, you're hitting someone elses (which has the newer version).
[20:06] <TsarObomba> cause when using the -b switch they work fine
[20:06] <TsarObomba> crystal77: its a repo
[20:06] <TsarObomba> of packages
[20:07] <TsarObomba> !ppa
[20:07] <sabret00the> jhutchins: by sucks, I mean I click the right mouse/trackpad button and it only registers sometimes, like I have to click it five times. Sometimes the menu pops up and disappears incredibly quickly. A Google search shows me it's a common problem and I'm not alone, but no answers regarding how to improve the situation.
[20:07] <TsarObomba> KI7MT: ^^^^
[20:09] <upd> XMLnewbi, read it again.
[20:10] <jhutchins> sabret00the: Ok, much more potentially solvable.
[20:10] <jhutchins> sabret00the: Which release, which desktop, what graphics hardware?
[20:11] <jhutchins> s/suggestive/subjective
[20:11] <jhutchins> Stupid brain!
[20:12] <bones> how do you make netflix work on ubuntu 12.04
[20:12] <XMLnewbi> drw doesnt show up into an example unitll it start talking about, Recursive Permission Changes; and that is only in an example, it does not mention how drw is dirrernt from rw, nor is sr in any of the examples
[20:12] <sabret00the> jhutchins: 13.10 on x86 machines. Had the problems on  on 12.04 and 12.10  both on board intel graphics.
[20:14] <upd> XMLnewbi, it is not important if there is the same example as yours or not, you need to know what each letter mean, and at which position, then you will know what  your example is
[20:14] <jhutchins> XMLnewbi: d means directory.
[20:14] <XMLnewbi> boom, ok, thanks
[20:14] <XMLnewbi> and the s? in sr
[20:15] <nightwalkerkg> Is it possible to make the top bar transparent ? I am using ubuntu 12.04.
[20:15] <bekks> XMLnewbi: scsi
[20:15] <jhutchins> XMLnewbi: Sticky.  You'll have to figure that out for yourself.
[20:16] <blazemore> nightwalkerkg: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/unity-tweak-tool/
[20:16] <bekks> Ah, I thought you were referring to a device node /dev/srX
[20:17] <SuperLag> On a Mac, I can do Command-` to cycle through windows that are open for the same application. Does Ubuntu have an equivalent keystroke that will do that?
[20:17] <jhutchins> sabret00the: All I can suggest is that you try an alternative desktop and see if it still happens.
[20:17] <iceroot> SuperLag: alt + ^
[20:17] <nightwalkerkg> blazemore: Thanks,i'll check it out.
[20:17] <blazemore> dyreshark: sudo rm -rf /var/
[20:17] <iceroot> !danger
[20:17] <bekks> blazemore: very bad idea.
[20:17] <gordonjcp> SuperLag: no, but if you alt-tab you'll see multiple windows for the same app stacked
[20:17] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Depends more on the desktop and application, try Ctrl-PgDn
[20:17] <Pici> blazemore: you should know better.
[20:18] <iceroot> blazemore: stop something like that here
[20:18] <sabret00the> jhutchins thanks, I guess I'll give that a go.
[20:18] <gordonjcp> SuperLag: so you can alt-tab to the stack, pause, then alt-tab again through the stack
[20:18] <dyreshark> blazemore: that worked, thanks
[20:18] <blazemore> Cool :)
[20:18] <bekks> dyreshark: Did you run that command?
[20:18] <Pici> dyreshark: I really hope you didn't actually run that.
[20:18] <dyreshark> bekks: yes and it worked
[20:18] <iceroot> dyreshark: dont execute that command
[20:18] <dyreshark> well
[20:18] <iceroot> dyreshark: that will kill your system
[20:18] <dyreshark> it's working
[20:18] <Pici> dyreshark: and now your Ubuntu install is broken.
[20:18] <dyreshark> but it's freeing up space!
[20:18] <dyreshark> i have so much space now
[20:18] <bekks> dyreshark: You just broke your system. You have to reinstall now.
[20:19] <bekks> dyreshark: And a broken system.
[20:19] <SuperLag> ummm yeah
[20:19] <iceroot> blazemore: idiot
[20:19] <jhutchins> bekks: And somebody has a slightly longer leg.
[20:19] <dyreshark> thank you friends
[20:19] <SuperLag> definitely broken
[20:19] <dyreshark> for helping me
[20:19] <dyreshark> :)
[20:19] <dyreshark> have a nice day
[20:19] <FloodBot1> dyreshark: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:19] <SuperLag> ugh
[20:19]  * gordonjcp suspects that quite a large amount of urine has been extracted from the channel regulars here
[20:20] <unknown101> how can i install skype on ubuntu 13.04?
[20:20] <iceroot> !skype | unknown101
[20:20] <SuperLag> unknown101: go download the .deb file from the Skype website
[20:20] <unknown101> i have skype for 12.04
[20:21] <bekks> !skype | unknown101
[20:21] <Zonak> lamesauce
[20:21] <unknown101> but i just updateded
[20:21] <unknown101> obottu how can i unistall my old skype?
[20:21] <SuperLag> unknown101: Skype should still work
[20:22] <ALLTHECODE> !Ekiga
[20:22] <SuperLag> haha... Ekiga
[20:22] <Pici> unknown101: Probably by re-adding the partner repo as suggested in the skype factoid above and then performing an apt-get update/upgrade
[20:22] <SuperLag> yeah... that's going to get a lot of traction
[20:23] <ALLTHECODE> unfortunately, coworkers use skype
[20:23] <ALLTHECODE> and I am forced to use it
[20:24] <bekks> Use a phone :)
[20:24] <unknown101> ok done thanks updated skype and its now working
[20:24] <unknown101> i have another question
[20:24] <asgsagsd> my sound system tray icon suddenly wont let me change the sound
[20:24] <asgsagsd> the sound still works though
[20:25] <asgsagsd> and alsamixer still works
[20:25] <unknown101> sometimes when my computer is trying to boot it doesn't recognize the motherboard or the graphic card
[20:25] <unknown101> I got this problem after i installed ubuntu
[20:25] <unknown101> any idea how to fix?
[20:25] <iceroot> unknown101: it does not recognize your motherboard?
[20:25] <iceroot> unknown101: then nothing would run
[20:25] <unknown101> yes
[20:25] <asgsagsd> :D
[20:25] <iceroot> unknown101: that is a hardware issue
[20:26] <unknown101> and reboots like other 6 times to get it right
[20:26] <unknown101> NOPE
[20:26] <unknown101> after i single boot ubuntu
[20:26] <iceroot> unknown101: there is no reboot you can do when it does not detect the motherboard
[20:26] <unknown101> this problem showed up
[20:26] <asgsagsd> unknown101: your motherboard is what the computer is
[20:26] <unknown101> forget it lets tell that it does
[20:26] <unknown101> but sometimes it reboots it self
[20:26] <unknown101> to bo ubuntu
[20:26] <unknown101> something is wrong...
[20:26] <iceroot> unknown101: without a motherboard even the power button would not work
[20:27] <iceroot> !details | unknown101
[20:27] <unknown101> ...........OK OK MY FAULT
[20:28] <unknown101> I use to run w7.I then single booted ubuntu 12.04 (delete windows).After that everytime i try to boot my computer
[20:28] <unknown101> it resets it self till the ubuntu boot corrently
[20:28] <Gandalf84> corpion
[20:28] <unknown101> something is wrong with ubuntu 12.04 anyway i updateded to 13.04 i'll see what is going on
[20:29] <unknown101> what is caribou in my startup applications preferenses?
[20:30] <trism> !info caribou | unknown101
[20:31] <unknown101> k thanks.Sorry for the stupid questions switched to ubuntu 2 days ago
[20:31] <XMLnewbi> well this was a little helpfull, http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=125836       still looking for real documentation on what these permissions really mean.
[20:32] <Ben64> !permissions | XMLnewbi
[20:34] <XMLnewbi> I have two folers fith default permissions, one drwxr-sr-x  and the other drwxr-xr-x      Im trying to figure out how they are differnt,
[20:35] <unknown101> Is there any program that i can check all my running processes?
[20:35] <gordonjcp> unknown101: ps
[20:36] <unknown101> ps in terminal?
[20:36] <crystal77> unknown101: ps -faux in terminal or top
[20:36] <gordonjcp> yes
[20:37] <unknown101> ok good and how can i kill them?
[20:37] <crystal77> unknown101: look up the kill command ;)
[20:37] <SwashBuckla> jhutchins: how to you restore the software on iPods?
[20:38] <unknown101> ok got it.Also is there any way that malicious sotwares can hide them selfs from ps -faux list?
[20:38] <unknown101> softwares*
[20:39] <mr-blah> Ubuntu has hosed my harddisk twice today, I have reinstalled windows, again. Would anyone care to help me install ubuntu? this is my finl attempt.
[20:39] <bekks> mr-blah: I strongly doubt ubuntu did that. What did you do?
[20:40] <mr-blah> bekks:  i installed ubuntu
[20:40] <Fyodorovna> mr-blah, dude you have hosed the hd, lets put the credit where it's due.
[20:40] <unknown101> there is a very nice program that make your usb drive a bootable "cd"
[20:40] <unknown101> i used that to single boot ubuntu
[20:41] <ChogyDan> Fyodorovna: try to be helpful
[20:41] <asgsagsd> my sound system tray icon suddenly wont let me change the sound
[20:41] <asgsagsd> the sound still works though
[20:41] <asgsagsd> and alsamixer still works
[20:42] <unknown101> asgsagsd
[20:42] <bekks> mr-blah: Then you sat still, looked at it, and suddenly it hosed itself?
[20:42] <unknown101> do
[20:42] <mr-blah> no, i have insalled ubuntu many times. this is the second computer this week that the 13.10 installed has hosed.
[20:42] <unknown101> rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
[20:42] <wilee-nilee> ChogyDan, I'm am stating the software is at fault is misinformation and makes it difficult to ge them to understand or help.
[20:42] <unknown101> in terminal
[20:42] <FloodBot1> unknown101: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:43] <unknown101> ok sorry
[20:43] <unknown101> also how i can reply to someone
[20:43] <unknown101> ?
[20:43] <mr-blah> bekks: i have already been through this talk with blazemore, and wileenilee. this has taken all day. 3rd attempt
[20:44] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  13.10 or 13.04 ?
[20:44] <mr-blah> bekks:  i need this scheme sda1: windows recover, sda2 windows ntfs, sda3 ubuntu ext4, sda4 swap
[20:44] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust: 12.10
[20:44] <asgsagsd> everything was working fine
[20:44] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust:  13.10
[20:45] <asgsagsd> i just switched out my speakers and did a reboot and now i have issues
[20:45] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  did you ask advice in #ubuntu+1 ?
[20:45] <asgsagsd> i think there is something wrong with the Ubuntu sound settings panel
[20:45] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust:  no
[20:45] <asgsagsd> is there an alternative one I can install?
[20:45] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust:  i have been in here all day
[20:45] <wilee-nilee> bekks, They do not understd the limitations in amounts and types of partitions
[20:45] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  13.10 is not ready, it's unstable, in development
[20:46] <XMLnewbi> what is a "hosed HDD"  perhaps the HDD itself is failing; and after errors in windows you thought trying linux would be a good idea, when in reality you needed a new HDD
[20:46] <japro> hrmf, so the auto updater just informs me that i can't install oracle-java7 without accepting the license...
[20:46] <japro> doesn't give me the option to accept the license though :p
[20:46] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  and "in here all day" does not sound healthy
[20:46] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust:  MonkeyDust its not. but i need this machine to working
[20:46] <unknown101> Can a program hide it self from startup applications program?
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  then try a supported release, type /topic to find out
[20:47] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust:  i need this scheme sda1: windows recover, sda2 windows ntfs, sda3 ubuntu ext4, sda4 swap
[20:47] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust: so what 12.04?
[20:47] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, as you can see misstating the issues causes a flood of comments that do not help hou
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  fine, but 13.10 is not ready
[20:47] <wilee-nilee> You*
[20:48] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  you are struggling with an unstable release
[20:48] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee: i told you my issues already, it took that long to get windows back after ubuntu hosed it.
[20:48] <ratbert90> Hey, is there a way to set bash to run a different version of a binary?  I have a old version that I wish to run, but I am not sure how to do so.
[20:48] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  this is my final attmept
[20:48] <XMLnewbi> my money is on mr-blah has a failling harddrive
[20:48] <mr-blah> XMLnewbi: that is more likely than me be an idiot.
[20:49] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  i guess you would be more succesful with 13.04
[20:49] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust: ok fine 13.04 it is
[20:49] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  is it 13.04 or 13.10 ?
[20:50] <zykotick9> ratbert90: easiest way, would be to use the full path to the binary you want to use.
[20:50] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust:  its 13.10
[20:50] <TsarObomba> Hmm  that guy left
[20:50] <MonkeyDust> mr-blah  try 13.04, then, forget 13.10 for now
[20:50] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust:  i will go to 13.04 if that will work
[20:50] <TsarObomba> I gotta jet soon with my son and wife, but any idea why a pastebinit.xml file wouldnt be read?
[20:50] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee: can you help me?
[20:50] <ratbert90> zykotick9, unfortunately I really can't, it's a sdk that is calling out ldconfig, but ubuntu 13.04 comes with 2.17 which won't work with arm.
[20:50] <TsarObomba> its in the home dir, and is formatted just like the man page says
[20:51] <TsarObomba> Another guy said to look in the config directories, but those are just configs for each site, and i know how those work
[20:51] <ratbert90> I wasn't sure if there was a POSIX way of dealing with this other than copy/paste a older version of ldconfig which works, but I don't want to make Ubuntu not-stock
[20:52] <TsarObomba> im guessing it may be easier to just do an abash alias of pasbinit -c hosthere
[20:52] <zykotick9> ratbert90: i see.  well, good luck with that.  personally, i view 2 binaries/libraries on the same system - as a broken setup (multiarch gets a veto there).
[20:52] <TsarObomba> or -b rather
[20:52] <TsarObomba> i forget, too many projects
[20:52] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust: final attempt. 13.10, or 13.04? i need sda1 windows recovry, sda2 windows ntfs, sda3 ubuntu, sda4 swap
[20:52] <mr-blah> MonkeyDust:  can you help me?
[20:52] <ratbert90> zykotick9, yeah, it would be for a script so that way it won't affect the parent shell
[20:54] <schultza> i have a problem.. i was updating ubuntu when the computer was turned off. one of the packages that was updating was oracle's java through a ppa. Java is not correctly installed, im not sure if the other packages were complete installed either. how do i repair what dpkg thinks is installed?
[20:54] <XMLnewbi> mr-blah   if your spending all this time, wouldnt it be better to just try a clean install on a new hdd, then after you get the hang of it do the fancy partitions
[20:54] <TsarObomba> libtaskmanager4abi4 : Depends: libprocesscore4abi1 (= 4:4.11.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1) but 4:4.11.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1 is to be installed
[20:54] <TsarObomba> lovely
[20:54] <zykotick9> schultza: start by trying "sudo apt-get -f install"
[20:54] <TsarObomba> anyone see a way of fixing that?
[20:54] <unknown101> bye
[20:54] <mr-blah> XMLnewbi:  yes because i'm gonna take apart the laptop for that.
[20:55] <schultza> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. otherwise no errors.
[20:55] <mr-blah> XMLnewbi:  i have already wiped the entire dis and reinstalled windows twice today.
[20:55] <zykotick9> schultza: that sounds promising.  are you sure you have a problem?
[20:55] <schultza> i had to dpkg --configure -a before this
[20:56] <schultza> due to the dpkg lock file
[20:56] <XMLnewbi> anyone who services laptops knows that 90pct of time the disk drives are failing. its the weekist link in any pcs. at the very least id boot from the disk and do a error check on the drive before attempting an install
[20:56] <zykotick9> !lock
[20:56] <zykotick9> !aptlock
[20:57] <ratbert90> ah
[20:57] <mr-blah> XMLnewbi:  which utilty should i use to waste more time?
[20:57] <schultza> zykotick9: that does nothing now
[20:57] <zykotick9> schultza: right, you already did it.  just wanted to point it out.
[20:58] <ratbert90> zykotick9, for future reference, setting the path to the old version first will do the trick, as linux will search in order of path.  so export PATH=/path_to_old_bin/:$PATH works, but export PATH=$PATH:/path_to_old_bin does not
[20:58] <ratbert90> the more you know! :D
[20:58] <XMLnewbi> burn the ubuntu disk, put it in, press on, click (i will install later), then from the desktop right click on the drive, do error check
[20:58] <schultza> i dont remember the list of packages (including an ubuntu-core package) that was interrupted on installing...
[20:58] <schultza> otherwise i do a n apt-get install --reinstall on them
[20:59] <neyder> hi there, i have installed a moodle with mail-server task, to just use php-mail function. How can I save resources with other mail server?
[21:00] <mr-blah> XMLnewbi:  so when it tells me the disk is fine, whats the next step?
[21:03] <ChogyDan1> is there a tool that can visually show me the wifi situation around my area?
[21:04] <ChogyDan1> like http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider/
[21:04] <upd> why do you need it
[21:05] <ChogyDan1> upd: Im trying to optimize my wifi router, and the guide im following suggested it.  I mean, there's got to be something similar for Ubuntu
[21:06] <upd> ChogyDan1, mybe wicd
[21:07] <upd> ChogyDan1, and wavemon
[21:08] <gr33n7007h> Kismet
[21:08] <wilee-nilee> [/ignore ChogyDan1
[21:09] <Ben64> ChogyDan1: most routers now have an automatic channel selection
[21:09] <wilee-nilee> Sorry lol
[21:09] <ChogyDan1> :P
[21:09] <SuperLag> ;)
[21:09] <SuperLag> wilee-nilee: busted :)
[21:09] <wilee-nilee> Lol
[21:10] <SuperLag> wilee-nilee: reminds me of the time I pastebinned my work creds before editing the file to mask my password :(
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> The andoid environment is tiny
[21:12] <SuperLag> huh?
[21:13] <upd> android :)
[21:14] <wilee-nilee> SuperLag, tiny letters and typing with thumbs, IE android
[21:18] <SuperLag> upd: I knew he meant Android... but I'm not sure what he meant in mentioning in, in the context of that conversation. wilee-nilee? :)
[21:18] <derekpock> hello
[21:19] <derekpock> helo
[21:19] <derekpock> my name is `whoami`
[21:27] <Marlenee> any bandwidth moniter keep the bandwidth log even if my server is rebooted ?
[21:28] <ghostx562> hello, i am trying to transfer files from my laptop to my ipad, is there an program that i can download to do so?
[21:28] <ghostx562> i need to access my ubuntu files from my ipad
[21:30] <bekks> ghostx562: which files in particular?
[21:30] <histo> !ipod | ghostx562
[21:30] <ghostx562> bekks, im using vlc on my ipad, so i need to enable upnp, or ftp to connect to ubuntu as a server
[21:31] <ghostx562> mainly avi/mkv
[21:31] <bekks> Stream your videos.
[21:34] <ghostx562> bekks, will try thanks
[21:36] <mr-blah> XMLnewbi: done changing 13.10 to 13.04, about to scan HD.
[21:38] <Dr_Willis> ghostx562:  check out PLEX  - its a handy dlna server with client for most tablets
[21:39] <ghostx562> Dr_Willis, will check it out
[21:46] <mr-blah> how do i check my hard disk?
[21:46] <bekks> mr-blah: check it for what?
[21:46] <Dr_Willis> !fsck
[21:47] <mr-blah> bekks: XMLnewbi said i should check the disk since ubuntu has hosed my HD twice today
[21:47] <Dr_Willis> and how did it hose the hd?
[21:47] <bekks> mr-blah: I strongly doubt it was ubuntu.
[21:47] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis:  here we go again. i've been here all day.
[21:48] <mr-blah> bekks:  everyone keeps saying that, and i keep reinstalling and ubuntu keeps hosing it
[21:48] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  if you are having hard drive hardware failure - you want to do smart tests and verify the hd is ok.
[21:48] <bekks> mr-blah: I havent read any plausible point that would indicate it was ubuntus fault until now.
[21:48] <mr-blah> bekks: help me. i have a clean insall of windows and a 13.04 usb ubuntu
[21:48] <bekks> mr-blah: Help you with what?
[21:48] <Dr_Willis> hoseeing it is rather vague.   if the HD if failing. anything writing to it - can cause the hd to act up and fail.
[21:49] <mr-blah> bekks:  install ubuntu. since i have been told that its my fault, prove it.
[21:49] <XMLnewbi> he is on a live cd, if you right click on the hdd icon there should be check for error/write faults
[21:49] <mr-blah> XMLnewbi:  no
[21:49] <mr-blah> XMLnewbi:  no sucj option
[21:49] <roue> hola
[21:49] <bekks> mr-blah: No, boy. You say its ubuntus fault. You prove it. :)
[21:49] <roue> Is there a package with Courier.ttf ?
[21:50] <mr-blah> bekks: ok i will. i will install again, and when ubuntu wrecks my drive, i'm putting it on youtube
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> roue:  is that one of the Microsoft fonts? if so theres the msstcorefonts packagte that will install all of them
[21:50] <bekks> mr-blah: tell us what exactly happens when doing what exactly and tell us exactly what is hosing how.
[21:50] <XMLnewbi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1462785
[21:50] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, 4 primary partitions then trying to add another on a single HD proves it.
[21:50] <bekks> mr-blah: I will not watch a YT video.
[21:50] <roue> Dr_Willis
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  what exactly happens when it 'wrecks'
[21:50] <roue> Thanks. I'll take a look.
[21:50] <mr-blah> bekks: i have a clean install of windows, and a 13.04 USB. walk me through it.
[21:50] <Konata> Yeah
[21:51] <Konata> Courier is a microsoft font
[21:51] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis: i mean totally hoses
[21:51] <Dr_Willis> roue:  if you install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package - it will install those and a lot of other stuff you may alwo want
[21:51] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  be more detailed.. and less vague..
[21:51] <bekks> mr-blah: You did it several times now, you dont need help with selecting "Install" and pressing Enter.
[21:51] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis:  as in won't boot
[21:51] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis:  as in windows gone
[21:51] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis:  as in weird boot loader issues
[21:51] <roue> Got it. Thanks much all.
[21:52] <bekks> mr-blah: Be more precise and not like vague, and not like even more vague.
[21:52] <mr-blah> bekks:  by that logic, its ubuntu then
[21:52] <bekks> mr-blah: Unless you actually tell us whats happening, I will doubt it.
[21:52] <Dr_Willis> a bootloader issue does not mean windows is 'gone'
[21:52] <Dr_Willis> unless you mean the windows partion has been removed.
[21:52] <mr-blah> bekks: OMG i'vre been here all day, and as soon as one group of people figures out that i'm not a retard, i have to do a long operation, and then ask the same wuestions to different people
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  this is why its often a good idea to pastebin what all you have done.
[21:53] <bekks> mr-blah: if you arent precise, no one can help you.
[21:53] <XMLnewbi> lets just help blah test this HDD while he is on the livedisk so he can get on newegg and order a new one...
[21:53] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis:  i did that, but the guys that were helping left while i installed windows AGAIN
[21:53] <mr-blah> XMLnewbi: yes, thank you
[21:54] <mr-blah> bekks:  help me test the HD first off
[21:54] <bekks> mr-blah: Support in this channel is free - we are all free to leave and join whenever we want it.
[21:54] <mr-blah> bekks:  i get it
[21:54] <XMLnewbi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwHKNYOraNM
[21:54] <bekks> mr-blah: Did you read what ubottu told you about fsck?
[21:54] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:   if you have a pastebin of what all you have done befor. you may want to tell it to us.
[21:54] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  theres smart testing of the hd/hardware, then theres fscking of hte filesystem
[21:54] <Dr_Willis> !smart
[21:55] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis: , bekks , XMLnewbi  here i will let ubuntu hose me disk again for your amusement
[21:55] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  whatever.. getting where you are just wanting to argue instead of answering our questions
[21:55] <bekks> mr-blah: I am resting your case since you refuse to get detailed but instead keep on being vague. Good luck.
[21:55] <XMLnewbi> do NOT install anything on that hhd, boot from livedisk (try option) and watch this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwHKNYOraNM
[21:55] <Dr_Willis> you CAN do the smart testing from a live cd.
[21:56] <Johnny_Linux> mr-blah  do the tests and get back to us.
[21:56] <geomyidae> Does canonical ever dual license their code or is it pretty much always just gpl3?
[21:56] <mr-blah> Johnny_Linux:  bekks  Dr_Willis smart says its fine
[21:56] <wilee-nilee> geomyidae, ask them
[21:56] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. im not even sure you can dual License gpl3.
[21:56] <bekks> mr-blah: I dont care anymore.
[21:56] <mr-blah> bekks:  i'm sure you dont
[21:57] <Johnny_Linux> try ubuntu 12.04
[21:57] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee: i have finally got windows re installed
[21:57] <wilee-nilee> if you enable mr-blah they will ot learn
[21:57] <wilee-nilee> not*
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  sounds to me more and more like its a hardware failure on the HD.  Smart dosent always detect those issues.  but im out of here - work time.
[21:58] <mr-blah> SO YOU GUYS CAN"T DECIDE IF THE HD IS BAD OR IM STUPID. GREAT.
[21:58] <Johnny_Linux> no
[21:58] <Johnny_Linux> get back to work
[21:58] <bekks> mr-blah: Setting youonto ignore since you just want to argue instead getting some help. Bye.
[21:58] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  theres no definityuve way to prove the hd is bad untill it dies.
[21:58] <Dr_Willis> Smart is not a 100% accurate test
[21:59] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis: yeh i figured
[21:59] <Dr_Willis> want to Prove its the HD having the issue.. replace it. and see if a new hd works
[21:59] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis: i'm just going to get a new computer
[22:00] <Johnny_Linux> im sure there are free windows testing software out there, take the time and try that.
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> Ive had testing software actually kick the failing hd i was testing.. over the edge. ;)
[22:00] <Johnny_Linux> lol,, me2
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> Hd's truely seem to be the weakest part of the PC hardware equation these days
[22:00] <Johnny_Linux> dont buy junk
[22:01] <Dr_Willis> then Optical drives.
[22:01] <Dr_Willis> 'junk' is relative.. ive had all makes and models - die.
[22:01] <Dr_Willis> some just have better warrenties. :) and get replaced
[22:01] <mr-blah> well at least you guys are accepting that it may be something other than me being a moron.
[22:01] <mr-blah> its not like i run ubuntu on several machines, build computers, and write software or anything
[22:01] <Johnny_Linux> there is a silent chain of command as where to purchase hardware.
[22:01] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  i dont recall anyone saying it was  a PEBKAC issue..  basically sounded like a Hardware issue from the start to me.
[22:02] <neo> zxczx
[22:03] <mr-blah> its either the HD, or the advanced partitioning tool in 3.10 is whack. although the latter sounds unlikely to me.
[22:03] <mr-blah> i never had any of these problems with 12.x
[22:04] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, 2 hours ago they 4 primary partitions of windows and tried to install ubuntu.
[22:04] <wilee-nilee> had*
[22:04] <Johnny_Linux> theres an app for that
[22:04] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  sad how thats getting to be way to common on new hardware
[22:05] <Dr_Willis> I noticed my EEE netbook has 3 primary partions. but one is 16mb in size of type 'unknown' Im not even sure what it is. ;)
[22:05] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee: no, it was sda1: windows recovery, sda2 windows nfs, sda3 ext4, sda4 swap
[22:05] <Dr_Willis> It is possible to do a full install of Ubuntu Onto a USB flash drive and run totally from flash that way.
[22:06] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, Yes, this may be a hardware failure, however when I addressed that originaly I mentioned it be a problem unless uefi gpt was involved, they had no knowledge of uefi, nor would guve an image of gparted to confirm anything.
[22:06] <Dr_Willis> everyone then will chime in now about how that will wear out your usb. ;) but ive had more HD's fail then USB's so far.
[22:06] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, eee probably firmware
[22:07] <Johnny_Linux> i run many of the small os's from a sd card.
[22:07] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  i wouldn't provide the screen of gparted because ubuntu installer completely hosed my disk that time.
[22:07] <baphomet1> hey guys.  I was wondering if any of you have been able to successfully connect to an IPSec VPN from your ubuntu client?
[22:07] <mr-blah> i had the 13.10 installer do the same thing to another comp last week
[22:07] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  yea. I imaged the whole HD to a file as a backup just in case. ;) tempted to replace it with a SSD
[22:08] <bazzer> ok i've had a total brain fart....how does one find out how many pages a text file is? not how many lines....
[22:08] <Dr_Willis> bazzer:  wc has an option. but i think yuou  need to tell it the # of lines per page
[22:08] <mr-blah> i am letting the 13.04 installer do whatever it want, so we will se what happens now
[22:09] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, We can help you, but you have to work with us, this is not a blame game, but a detail game, and explaining when you do not understand.
[22:09] <bazzer> Dr_Willis: lets say i don't know :)
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> bazzer:  or divide the # of lines by .. err.. 66  think? or was it 80?
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> we talking 8.5x11 pages or other sizes? ;)
[22:09] <baphomet1> I have entered everything correctly, but can't connect.  I am trying to determine if I am missing some setting on the Ubuntu side or if it is on the server side (also using Ubuntu)
[22:09] <djtf> @bazzer depends on pagelength
[22:09] <bazzer> Dr_Willis: maybe 80? i just don't want to lpr a novel to the printer and i'm in a shell so....
[22:09] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee: i'm giving the 13.04 installer partitioning carte blanch, so we are gonna find out
[22:10] <jrib> bazzer: define "page"
[22:10] <baphomet1> I have an openVPN tunnel setup that I can connect to but can't get traffic to pass to the WAN when on a network with the same scheme.  any help?
[22:10] <oppositescopez> haha anyone wlling to help me? :D
[22:10] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, Your welcome to imagebin a gparted screenshot.
[22:10] <bazzer> jrib: page as in if i print this text file will it be 10 pages of output or 1000? :)
[22:10] <mr-blah> i will when its done
[22:10] <djtf> @oppositescopez What's up
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> wc --lines   and divide by 80    ;()
[22:10] <xangua> !anyone | oppositescopez
[22:10] <oppositescopez> ok so ANY time i try to sudo apt-get install ANYTHING i get errors ~.~
[22:10] <oppositescopez> like
[22:11] <djtf> ...
[22:11] <bazzer> Dr_Willis: i was hoping to avoid that :/
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> !pastebin | oppositescopez
[22:11] <jrib> bazzer: what format is it in?
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> bazzer:  i used to use a tool ages ago. that would take a text file and put 2 pages per page. in a landscape type mode. but i cant recall its name
[22:11] <jrib> bazzer: plaintext?
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> oppositescopez, Run a sudo apt-get update and pastebin it.
[22:11] <bazzer> jrib: aye
[22:12] <oppositescopez> ok
[22:12] <bazzer> Dr_Willis: neat tool
[22:12] <jrib> bazzer: you could use "enscript" to make it a pdf and then inspect that
[22:12] <baphomet1> Or is there a network channel that I should be directing these questions to?
[22:12] <jake[work]> hi!  i have a box with multiple IPs.  trying to ssh into the box.  only one address responds.  i can see the request on tcpdump on the other ip, but no response.  i already edited sshconfig and set it to listen to all addresses.  any ideas?
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> bazzer:  it Might have been 'enscript'
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> mpage - print multiple pages per sheet on PostScript printer
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> also seems a handy tool
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> -8     Print 8 normal pages per sheet.
[22:13] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee: the first sign of trouble with the previous install was that after creating partitions, the ubuntu installer was no longer recognizing windows
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> If you got GOOD eyes. ;) 8 pages per sheet of paper
[22:14] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, Yes of course you had 4 primary partitions, that is the limit you can have, this is basic physics.
[22:15] <baphomet1> anyone?
[22:15] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee: really physics? sounds like a two bit binary address to me :/
[22:15] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  oh snap
[22:15] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  ERROR
[22:16] <mr-blah> here i will image paste
[22:16] <bazzer> Dr_Willis: wasn't it (way back in the day) 25 col x 80 rows for a console?
[22:16] <honestly> so I just installed ubuntu 13.04 amd64 to a uefi computer with windows 7 installed. when it wanted to shutdown after installing, it just hung. I killed it and now it looks like the windows bootloader is still there in its entirety and there is no grub2. should I just boot into live ubuntu and do the normal grub2 reinstall procedure or is there something else to look for?
[22:16] <nimbiotics> After allowing some updates earlier today my soundcard started making funny noises as the volume level indicator showed up time after time. After rebooting, I am getting no more audio from my card, even though everythinh 'seems' normal. any ideas? TIA!
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, I then told you you need 3 primaries and a extended partition the next limit, this allows logical partitions in the extended, as it is a container. Your arguments are stupid, and keep anyone from trying to actually help you.
[22:16] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  no
[22:17] <wilee-nilee> mr-blah, YOu are an idiot
[22:17] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  i let the installer do it this time and got an error
[22:17] <jrib> bazzer: think how wide 25 columns would be
[22:17] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  no listen
[22:17] <bazzer> jrib: ok flip flop rows/columns? :)
[22:17] <jrib> bazzer: yes ;)
[22:17] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee: i had a clean install of windows, ran the 13.04 installer, i let the install partition it, and now i got an error
[22:18] <oppositescopez> i get this error ANY time i use ANY apt-get sommand http://pastebin.com/nn7jkSr1
[22:18] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee: the 'grub-efi' package failed to install
[22:18] <TsarObomba> well before my build server and znc (remote box) went down for a kernel update and i left to go with my kid and woife, i poised a question
[22:18] <oppositescopez> *command
[22:18] <TsarObomba> libtaskmanager4abi4 : Depends: libprocesscore4abi1 (= 4:4.11.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1) but 4:4.11.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1 is to be installed
[22:18] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  i'm not an idiot, i'm a prgrammer
[22:18] <TsarObomba> any idea on a fix?
[22:18] <jrib> oppositescopez: have you inspected /usr/share/themes/lfs-black-base-blue/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ?
[22:18] <mr-blah> wilee-nilee:  so i have a bad hard disk?
[22:19] <oppositescopez> i tried
[22:19] <TsarObomba> i am using some kde stuff from 13.10 for like two pkgs, but not those
[22:19] <oppositescopez> also the dpkg is messed up 0.o
[22:19] <jrib> oppositescopez: you have to be more specific.
[22:19] <TsarObomba> libtaskmanager4abi4 is required for a plasma widget
[22:19] <bazzer> jrib: so the math comes out to 235 pages.... going Dr_Willis's method of wc -l / 80
[22:19] <oppositescopez> is there any way to private chat on here?
[22:20] <TsarObomba> is there a way to use a wild card with apt-get like install blah* and have it not include one certain pkg?
[22:20] <kostkon> oppositescopez, yes
[22:20] <TsarObomba> I really dont wanna do these all by hand when one screws it up
[22:20] <oppositescopez> jrib, or anyone willing to help, can you private chat me for this?
[22:20] <kostkon> oppositescopez, /msg nickname or just use the facilities provided by your irc client
[22:20] <mr-blah> I started with a clean install of windows, I selected install alongside, let ubuntu do the parition, and got this error: the 'grub-efi' failed to install.
[22:21] <mr-blah> Am i still an idiot?
[22:21] <jrib> oppositescopez: better to use this channel so everyone can help (and benefit)
[22:21] <oppositescopez> oh
[22:21] <crystal77> When I install a PPA, how does the system know to use that, as opposed to the official list? Do PPA's always take precedence?
[22:21] <mr-blah> I have done nothing this time.
[22:21] <oppositescopez> ok so any time i use sudo apt-get install or anything i get that error at the end
[22:21] <DaphneGreengrass> crystal77, when they have a higher version number
[22:21] <jrib> crystal77: no, for each package the latest version will be chosen by default, regardless of source
[22:21] <DaphneGreengrass> *the packages
[22:21] <DaphneGreengrass> you can do apt-pinning though
[22:22] <crystal77> Oh! That's amazing! Sweet(:
[22:22] <crystal77> Can I see what version a package is on, before installing?
[22:22] <oppositescopez> mostly i want to know how to fix the chrome cant be ran as root as it makes 6 popups saying you cant run chrome as root
[22:22] <jrib> oppositescopez: pastebin the file I asked you about
[22:22] <genii> crystal77: The newest version of a package, wherever it's origin, takes precedence
[22:22] <crystal77> This is on the server OS btw.
[22:22] <wilee-nilee> oppositescopez, what does uname -a show
[22:22] <jrib> oppositescopez: why are you running chrome as root...?
[22:22] <oppositescopez> Linux oppositescopez 3.5.0-27-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 25 20:00:05 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:22] <oppositescopez> and im not running it as root
[22:22] <mr-blah> Wow, i have been here all day getting insulted, and now it turns out that the disk is screwy, or the installer is screwy.
[22:22] <DaphneGreengrass> crystal77, try this
[22:22] <oppositescopez> apparently somewhere something is trying to make it run as root
[22:22] <DaphneGreengrass> apt-get -s install nginx
[22:23] <jrib> !who | oppositescopez
[22:23] <DaphneGreengrass> then you can see the version of nginx that is going to be installed
[22:23] <mr-blah> so if you guys are wrong you just igmore? real mature
[22:23] <TsarObomba> no one knows?
[22:23] <kostkon> mr-blah, what do you mean?
[22:23]  * TsarObomba starts pulling teeth
[22:23] <wilee-nilee> oppositescopez, What have you not run sudo apt-get update and pastebinned it?
[22:23] <jrib> mr-blah: sorry you got insulted.  That shouldn't happen here.  But please keep the discussion related to support now
[22:23] <wilee-nilee> Why*
[22:24] <TsarObomba> Also, back to my old question. Who knows about pastebinit besides the man page
[22:24] <oppositescopez> one sec @wilee nilee
[22:24] <jrib> TsarObomba: ask an actual question
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  have you once. tried the boot-repair tool from the live cd?
[22:24] <mr-blah> TOTALLY UNPROFESSIONAL
[22:24] <wilee-nilee> !tab | oppositescopez
[22:24] <TsarObomba> You can use a cmd line switch to switch pastebin sites, but i wanna use the xml file like in the man page
[22:24] <TsarObomba> jrib: umm i have
[22:24] <TsarObomba> earlier
[22:24] <whiptail> mr-blah, just re format the whole drive and clear the mbr, start over
[22:24] <jrib> TsarObomba: irc channels like this have 0-line memory
[22:24] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis: i have done that, and made the boot reapair cd as per the UEFI instructions on ubuntu website
[22:25] <mr-blah> whiptail: I did that.
[22:25] <TsarObomba> jrib: i know
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  and... ? the boot repair tool has an option to make a big log file that tells us all sorts of info...
[22:25] <TsarObomba> hence why i said getting bacck to my old question
[22:25] <TsarObomba> heez
[22:25] <TsarObomba> jeez*
[22:25] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis:  and i postd it earlier
[22:25] <jrib> TsarObomba: have you tried the example in the man page?  How?  What happened that you did not expect?
[22:25] <TsarObomba> So, thats two qurestions posed in 3min time
[22:25] <TsarObomba> jrib: yes i did
[22:25] <TsarObomba> and it does nothing
[22:26] <TsarObomba> it acts like the file aint there
[22:26] <TsarObomba> it just ignores it
[22:26] <jrib> TsarObomba: pastebin your attempts
[22:26] <TsarObomba> Si, if no one has an solution, i am going to just make a bash alias
[22:26] <TsarObomba> much simpler
[22:26] <oppositescopez> my sudo apt-get update - http://pastebin.com/XehNYcYh
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> mr-blah:  if its just a grub not installing option, then that would suggest one  thing.. if the hd partions are vanishing. thats another entirely difernt issue.
[22:26] <jrib> oppositescopez: pastebin /usr/share/themes/lfs-black-base-blue/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ?
[22:26] <mr-blah> Dr_Willis:  i beleive this was the one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092915/
[22:26] <jake[work]> scratch that last question.  i can see a packet has reached my box (via tcpdump) but no services respond(ssh/apache...).  i checked netstat and the services are bound to the all addresses.  i disabled the firewall
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> work time for me. so i will be back in about an hr.
[22:27] <oppositescopez> oh its not the theme by the way
[22:27] <jrib> oppositescopez: what do you mean by that?
[22:27] <mr-blah> I give up.
[22:27] <oppositescopez> but ill still paste bin it one sec
[22:27] <mr-blah> The installer has hosed two comps in a week.
[22:27] <oppositescopez> because i had changed it and still got errors looking the same..
[22:28] <DaphneGreengrass> crystal77, btw - earlier command working?
[22:28] <mr-blah> this is ridiculous
[22:28] <TsarObomba> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094597/
[22:28] <mr-blah> hahahaha hte insaller crashed now
[22:28] <jrib> mr-blah: stop with the random comments please.  Ask a support question and *wait*
[22:28] <oppositescopez> @jrib http://pastebin.com/qtwaKs26
[22:29] <TsarObomba> jrib: and thats the link i got from running pastebinit pastebinit.xml
[22:29] <TsarObomba> lol
[22:29] <TsarObomba> so apparently it does not work
[22:29] <jrib> TsarObomba: what ubuntu version
[22:29] <mr-blah> jrib: actually i think i'm going to go. i'm tired of being called an idiot, and having the ubuntu installer hose HDs
[22:29] <jrib> mr-blah: as you wish.
[22:29] <TsarObomba> raring
[22:29] <TsarObomba> well kubuntu
[22:30] <jrib> !support | mr-blah
[22:30] <jrib> mr-blah: you may want to try some other support methods too
[22:30] <mr-blah> jrib: should i send the installer crash report? nah
[22:30] <TsarObomba> shouldnt matter same pkg version in ubuntu and kubuntu raring
[22:30] <TsarObomba> so its looking eaxsier to make a bash alias
[22:30] <jrib> TsarObomba: is slexy a supported pastebin?  i.e. you can use it through the command line?
[22:30] <TsarObomba> yes
[22:31] <TsarObomba> it works you you use the switch
[22:31] <TsarObomba> -b or whatever
[22:31] <TsarObomba> or -c
[22:31] <TsarObomba> i forget
[22:31] <FloodBot1> TsarObomba: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:31] <TsarObomba> ya ya
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> oppositescopez, Your sources list has from karmic to quantal links it is screwed up.
[22:31] <kostkon> !enter | TsarObomba
[22:31] <TsarObomba> omg
[22:32] <kostkon> ;)
[22:32] <oppositescopez> umm...
[22:32] <TsarObomba> seriously? thew bot just saiad that crap
[22:32] <TsarObomba> time to ignore the bot, i already ignored its pms
[22:32] <kostkon> :/
[22:32] <TsarObomba> ive been using ubuntu since badger, i dont care for lame bots saying nonsense
[22:32] <oppositescopez> hehe maybe i forgot to mention im a newb ^-^
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> oppositescopez, use this website to set the sources correct, or explain why its all mixed on releases. http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[22:33] <LjL> TsarObomba: please keep it on-topic here; also, while you're free to ignore the bot, i feel i should point out that if you miss any important messages it may send to you, that won't excuse you from following channel rules
[22:33] <mr-blah> jrib: i think i would rather try a diff distro
[22:33] <jrib> mr-blah: you're free to do whatever you want.  This channel is for support though.
[22:34] <kostkon> oppositescopez, per your apt-get update output, i think you need to update your vb repo line to deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian quantal contrib
[22:34] <mr-blah> jrib: really? i thought it was to insult people. you guys are starting to remind me of Google
[22:35] <linusoleander> : I'm trying to login to my server using ssh and a public key
[22:35] <linusoleander> I'm suddenly getting: Permission denied (publickey).
[22:35] <linusoleander> This is my trace log: https://gist.github.com/oleander/88917f09c8a99842dc34
[22:35] <linusoleander> Why I'm I getting this error?
[22:35] <jrib> mr-blah: since I have been here and we have been having a discussion, I don't believe I have insulted you.  As I said, that's not acceptable in this channel.  However, you also haven't asked a single support question, you seem to just throw random vague comments or threaten to change distros.  None of this is on-topic.
[22:35] <oppositescopez> god my mind just exploded in confusion x.x
[22:35] <xangua> mr-blah: the only one insulting you is yourself, drop it and be happy ;)
[22:35] <jrib> oppositescopez: where is this file /usr/share/themes/lfs-black-base-blue/gtk-2.0/gtkrc coming from?
[22:36] <kostkon> oppositescopez, you are getting this warning: "W: Failed to fetch http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/karmic/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'non-free/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)"
[22:36] <LjL> mr-blah, i'm sorry if anyone called you an idiot, and that really isn't supposed to happen in this channel; however, what was said above stands
[22:36] <mr-blah> xangua: sure pal. whatever you say. you don't sound clever though.
[22:36] <mr-blah> you guys are GOOGLE now
[22:36] <jake[work]> omg - i have a real question.  anyone?
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> finally
[22:37] <jake[work]> whew
[22:38] <oppositescopez> so how exactly do i get that .? @kostkon
[22:38] <jrib> linusoleander: did it ever work?
[22:38] <kostkon> oppositescopez, easier way is to open the software centre, select edit -> software sources from the menu, and in the 3rd party software, find the line in question and press edit
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> oppositescopez, You just have a couple of issues a bad signature, and you need to update that vbox to quantal, do you know how to access the sources.list and edit it?
[22:38] <oppositescopez> im trying to follow.. but ive really NEVER done ANYTHING whatsoever with ubuntu.. id say its out of my leauge when managing it
[22:39] <linusoleander> jrib: No, I can't login
[22:39] <oppositescopez> ok
[22:39] <oppositescopez> that i can do
[22:39] <jrib> linusoleander: how did you setup the pubkey auth?
[22:39] <crocket> Can I install ubuntu on iPad?
[22:39] <frank___> all the suden I can only start my 12.04 ubuntu destop with a comand line.... my graphic desktop is gone
[22:39] <xangua> crocket: don't think so
[22:39] <crocket> iOS is terrible.
[22:39] <linusoleander> jrib: ssh-keygen -t rsa om my local machine
[22:39] <crocket> no multitasking
[22:39] <linusoleander> Copied the public key to the servers auth-file
[22:39] <oppositescopez> id still find this easier in pm
[22:39] <jrib> linusoleander: be more specific than "servers auth-file".  What is the path?
[22:40] <linusoleander> ~./ssh
[22:40] <jrib> linusoleander: that is usually a directory.
[22:40] <jake[work]> k.  ignore my q.  i'm going to try a different channel
[22:40] <linusoleander> You asked for a path?
[22:40] <jrib> linusoleander: yes, the path to the file you put your pub key in
[22:40] <kostkon> oppositescopez, if you have problems editing it, because it will show you 2-3 text fields you will need to change, then just hit delete, press add and put the new line in the text field etc etc
[22:41] <crocket> meh
[22:41] <crocket> xangua: Can I install ubuntu on android tablets?
[22:41] <kostkon> oppositescopez, i mean delete the old line and then add the new line
[22:41] <linusoleander> jrib: ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[22:41] <xangua> !touch | crocket
[22:41] <crocket> android and iOS are devil.
[22:41] <jrib> linusoleander: « ls -ld ~/.ssh{,/authorized_keys} » output on the SERVER
[22:42] <linusoleander> jrib: https://gist.github.com/oleander/9ba4599490c844a3f902
[22:42] <oppositescopez> @ kostkon  there is no edit in my software center. or im just being completely blind 0.0
[22:42] <jrib> linusoleander: are you using encrypted homes on the server?
[22:43] <linusoleander> jrib: No
[22:43] <kostkon> oppositescopez, in the menu; you should have an Edit menu option
[22:43] <jrib> linusoleander: stop the sshd that's currently running on the server, and then start a new one with "sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -d".  Then try to connect and watch the output on your console on the server (where sshd is running)
[22:44] <TsarObomba> LjL: And i realize that. Bot the bot does not follow old school irc netiquette
[22:44] <linusoleander> jrib: If I stop it then I will be kicked out :p
[22:44] <jrib> linusoleander: no, your session will persist
[22:44] <TsarObomba> it msgs you without asking, which is a no no
[22:44] <linusoleander> Aha
[22:44] <oppositescopez> im on lubuntu if that changes anything, i dont see an edit button 0.0
[22:44] <TsarObomba> anyways, no answers to either of my questions i see?
[22:44] <kostkon> TsarObomba, ubottu the bot you mean?
[22:45] <TsarObomba> kostkon: i wasnt talking to you
[22:45] <jrib> linusoleander: if you want to be somewhat safe, you can start the debugging one on a different port
[22:45] <jrib> safer*
[22:45] <kostkon> TsarObomba, doesn't matter
[22:45] <TsarObomba> yes it does
[22:45] <jrib> TsarObomba: have patience.  I am researching the issue.
[22:45] <linusoleander> jrib: Aha, Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/linus
[22:45] <TsarObomba> jrib: thanks
[22:45] <TsarObomba> jrib: byw, upstream/dev? upstream where?
[22:45] <jrib> linusoleander: interesting.  What are the permissions there?
[22:45] <TsarObomba> debian? :P
[22:45] <jrib> TsarObomba: heh, old dead project
[22:45] <TsarObomba> oh ok
[22:46] <kostkon> TsarObomba, you are in a public irc channel. nevertheless, let's leave it here
[22:46] <TsarObomba> kostkon: and im ignoring you mentally, so have a nice day
[22:46] <kostkon> TsarObomba, thanks
[22:46] <oppositescopez> so im using the "lubuntu software centre" probably a little different then the actualy "ubuntu" one im guessing?
[22:46] <kostkon> oppositescopez, oh right
[22:46] <TsarObomba> there IS a lightweight ubuntu software center also
[22:47] <linusoleander> jrib: https://gist.github.com/oleander/8ed17ce8c20df2290b88
[22:47] <TsarObomba> ie app grid
[22:47] <TsarObomba> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/app-grid-new-lightweight-ubuntu.html
[22:47] <kostkon> TsarObomba, check if you can find software sources in the lubuntu/xfce settings
[22:47] <TsarObomba> much faster than the ubuntu spoftware center/seller
[22:47] <jrib> linusoleander: hmm.  Are you sure you read the output from sshd correctly?  not truncated or somethnig?
[22:47] <kostkon> crap
[22:47] <TsarObomba> kostkon: uh what?
[22:47] <kostkon> oppositescopez, check if you can find software sources in the lubuntu/xfce settings
[22:47] <kostkon> TsarObomba, wrong nick sorry
[22:47] <TsarObomba> its ok
[22:48] <jrib> linusoleander: ah wait, it's the ownership.  What's up with that
[22:49] <oppositescopez> umm, where might one look for the xfce settings ? o.o
[22:49] <linusoleander> jrib: Yeah, chown linus /home/linus solved the problem
[22:49] <linusoleander> I've no idea when that was changed
[22:49] <linusoleander> jrib: Thanks
[22:50] <jrib> linusoleander: make sure you startup sshd again before shutting down the debug one
[22:50] <linusoleander> Yeah
[22:51] <jrib> TsarObomba: .pastebinit.xml works fine here for slexy.org
[22:55] <kostkon> oppositescopez, the lubuntu software centre is a little limited. you can install the ubuntu software centre if you want. alternatively, you can edit the .list file directly.
[22:55] <oppositescopez> wait the ubuntu center works on lubuntu.? o.o
[22:56] <kostkon> oppositescopez, you will find the file that refers to the vb repo in /etc/apt/sources.list.d. Just do a:  ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d  to find it and then to edit it, give:  sudo nano filename
[22:57] <kostkon> oppositescopez, yes
[22:57] <TsarObomba> jrib: wait.... its hidden?
[22:57] <jrib> oppositescopez: sure, ubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu are all the same (in the sense that they use the same repositories).  The difference is in the default set of packages installed.  You can even install multiple of those flavors at once
[22:57] <TsarObomba> if so, thats the problem
[22:57] <TsarObomba> i didnt see a .
[22:57] <jrib> TsarObomba: yes, it starts with a '.'
[22:57] <TsarObomba> oh god
[22:57] <TsarObomba> sorry about thayt
[22:58] <TsarObomba> bad eyes strike again
[22:58] <jrib> TsarObomba: :(
[22:58] <Impossible> how do you check what kernal youre using
[22:58] <TsarObomba> im going blind slowly from all these years staring at a screen
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> Impossible, uname -a
[22:59] <Impossible> wilee-nilee: thx
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> no prob
[23:07] <Salamandre> hello all
[23:07] <Salamandre> I need some help with my 12.04 LTS
[23:07] <Impossible> if i have a windows xp key but not the disk where can i download the disc image or get a copy of a disk
[23:08] <linusoleander> I'm getting "OOM command not allowed when used memory > 'maxmemory'." when trying to work with redis
[23:08] <natsukao> you can work with GNU/linux Ubuntu as in a VM == Virtual Machine
[23:08] <linusoleander> Anyone know that the problem might be?
[23:10] <natsukao> you need much cpu and ram
[23:10] <natsukao> search KVM or XEN for windows xp
[23:10] <natsukao> anyway windows xp was a good choice for many years ago
[23:11] <natsukao> but windows xp does not support IPv6
[23:11] <natsukao> windows xp has not anymore support from microsoft
[23:12] <natsukao> i think that is the last one operating system in which is not implemented DRM Digital Restriction Managment
[23:12] <Impossible> natsukao: okay, so ill install windows 7 in a vm. I wanted a windows os that uses minimal resources
[23:12] <natsukao> starting from windows 7; and with windows 8; you got natively DRM inside
[23:12] <Marlenee> anyone here have agood point how to copy files between servers like midnight commander ?
[23:13] <dr_willis> Marlenee:  i tend to use sshfs. that makes the server appear in a local folder. ;)
[23:13] <dr_willis> then you can use whatgever file manager you want
[23:14] <natsukao> if you got the possibility to install an update for windows xp; it could be a good think
[23:14] <natsukao> search it on any torrent
[23:14] <natsukao> because i don't know nothing about microsoft operating system
[23:14] <dr_willis> i know its basically offtopic here natsukao  ;)
[23:15] <KI7MT> just be aware, sshfs is not async .. and refreshing is needed at times, also, from windows to *nix, windows does nto understand syslink's and will delete the target folder if you remove it, theren the dos2unix thing on files is a pain also.
[23:15] <natsukao> i left shittozz in 2000; when i bought mac os x aqnd i used mac os x till 2008; then i migrated to GNU/linux gNewSense
[23:16] <natsukao> or if you don't find any disk to update windows xp; you can see http://he.net
[23:16] <dr_willis> KI7MT:  how are you using sshfs with windows?
[23:16] <me2> hello
[23:16] <natsukao> where you can car sign up
[23:17] <oppositescopez> haha i give up
[23:17] <oppositescopez> ill live with errors :P
[23:17] <natsukao> so that you can use IPv6
[23:17] <me2> can someone help me
[23:17] <neverhere> me2, what do you need help with?
[23:17] <KI7MT> Through an SSHFS GUI
[23:17] <dr_willis> me2:  ask a question. Bunus points if its in a form of a Hiku
[23:17] <neverhere> dr_willis, :P
[23:18] <Marlenee> KI7MT : can you guide me in using sshfs on my server
[23:18] <KI7MT> dr_willis, https://code.google.com/p/win-sshfs/
[23:18] <nabblet> dr_willis: double bouns if the answer's an Haiku too
[23:18] <natsukao> what is win-sshfs ?
[23:19] <me2> do u Know enything about ubuntu studio
[23:19] <dr_willis> KI7MT:  cool. somtning to look into.  whenevver i boot back to windows....  :) which is rarely
[23:19] <dr_willis> me2:  'yes' yes we do... care to ask a better question? ;)
[23:19] <KI7MT> *nix to *nx is easy, just follow Ubuntu How-To , Windows has the two issues I mentioned above.
[23:19] <fellayaboy> hey ive seen ubuntu for android on the websites im really interested in this...where can i get this? and can my samsung galaxy s4 support this?
[23:19] <dr_willis> !info sshfs
[23:20] <dr_willis> !touch | fellayaboy
[23:20] <dr_willis> fellayaboy:  its in very much a testing stage right now.
[23:20] <littlebear> fellayaboy: The S4 isn't supported at the moment. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2163841
[23:21] <fellayaboy> aww man
[23:21] <fellayaboy> so the ubuntu mobile...that will have that feature of it converting to a desktop when its docked and having my phone calls appear on my desktop etc
[23:21] <Enissay> Is SourceForge.net down or just me xD
[23:22] <me2> i need to know how to install ubuntu studio from a flash drive to a flash drive i alredy have the live version on 1 flash drive
[23:22] <natsukao> on the latest microsoft operating systems; microsoft; has removed any link to alternative packages i.e: openoffice
[23:23] <fellayaboy> im confused...is that ubuntu for android an application or a whole operating system
[23:23] <natsukao> this is only one example; microsoft is forcing users to use office
[23:23] <fellayaboy> im talking about the one that will convert my phone to a ubuntu desktop when docked
[23:23] <dr_willis> me2:  same as you would to a real hard drive..  boot with both flash in. tell the instgaller to install to sdb (or whatever it is) and partion it as needed.
[23:23] <natsukao> android is an operating system developed from Google
[23:23] <dr_willis> me2 be SURE the grub loader goes on the MBR of the Flash you are installing to.
[23:24] <natsukao> Android is released with Apache License
[23:24] <natsukao> and its own kernel is based on the linux kernel
[23:24] <dr_willis> natsukao:  so do you have an actual Ubuntu support qquestion? or are you just.. well.. rambling?
[23:24] <kostkon> fellayaboy, ubuntu for android is different from ubuntu touch
[23:24] <fellayaboy> oh ok..their different then...
[23:24] <natsukao> anyway Android is in storm of eye
[23:25] <me2> can you show me somehow or point me to a video
[23:25] <kostkon> fellayaboy, both will be able to have full convergence but only on top of the line phones
[23:25] <dr_willis> fellayaboy:  there is those ubuntu (linux) inside a VM or whatever it is.. on android in the  android marketplace also.
[23:25] <kostkon> fellayaboy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch#Hardware_requirements
[23:26] <dr_willis> me2:  it would be identical to doijgn it to a real hard drive.. Partion the hd. set the mount points for / and swap. let it install. be sure the grub install to.... pull down item  points to the Flash drive
[23:26] <fellayaboy> man i would love to just use my phone as my PC and have all my texting done through it as im using the desktop.. does anyone know it it will have native android apk files working for it. cuz i use whatsapp alot and to have that on my desktop launcher would be aweeesomeee
[23:26] <dr_willis> me2:  it may even ask to use all of the hd. but i always custome partion my flash drives
[23:26] <fellayaboy> thanks  kostkon
[23:26] <dr_willis> fellayaboy:  texting? Install airdroid on the android device. and you can text from the pc. Or install mightytext i belive can also do it.
[23:27] <fellayaboy> really?
[23:27] <fellayaboy> brb
[23:27] <dr_willis> theres dozens of  'text from the pc to the phone' apps out there
[23:27] <natsukao> Android has violated different times the GNU General Public License; you can see: http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/
[23:27] <dr_willis> Airdroid for android is a MUST have tool. :) I also use mightext
[23:28] <dr_willis> natsukao:  so do you have an actual Ubuntu support question? If you just want to chit chat - theres #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:28] <fellayaboy> i didnt know that...i've used macs where the imessage is almost incoropatated into every device..ipad, ipod, macbooks, iphone mac pros. etc and u can text via phone number or an email account and it would be awesome to have that feature on my ubuntu
[23:29] <dr_willis> fellayaboy:  airdroid - is a must have. ;)  MightyText may or may not do whaat you need. it lets me text from My tablets.. ;)
[23:29] <TsarObomba> google voice
[23:29] <fellayaboy> niice
[23:29] <TsarObomba> even better, cause you get a free number
[23:29] <fellayaboy> i know but its not so nicely implemented
[23:29] <natsukao> it seems that any person here must to ask; or can't speak on the channel
[23:29] <TsarObomba> and free voicemail and free sms
[23:29] <TsarObomba> iuts web based
[23:30] <TsarObomba> and android based
[23:30] <TsarObomba> on tablets and phones (android)
[23:30] <fellayaboy> u have to hit refresh..rather i would love it as a popped up hud
[23:30] <TsarObomba> no you dont
[23:30] <TsarObomba> it refreshs automatically
[23:30] <TsarObomba> just like gmail
[23:31] <natsukao> i would to remember that a violation of Freedom of Speech is a violation in all the Costitutional Charts of the any country in the world
[23:31] <fellayaboy> and its mainly browser based...rather than an actual app but i do use it but alllssooo... it doesnt use MY phone number as imessage would do
[23:31] <fellayaboy> i would have to have 2 seperate lines u know..
[23:31] <dr_willis> natsukao:  enough all ready with the ot rambling.
[23:31] <mrrcp> i wish they would launch a imessage app inside itunes or something
[23:31] <natsukao> point of views
[23:32] <fellayaboy> i wish linux or ubuntu would implement that type of feature by standard
[23:32] <dr_willis> fellayaboy:  theres a lot they could do. i imagine when that  Ubuntu-Touch gets going - we will see more of it.
[23:32] <fellayaboy> use ur email or phone numbe to send text via this messenger...
[23:32] <natsukao> as said Larry Flint to the Judge in the Court: "opinions are as the ASS; anyone has his own"
[23:33] <fellayaboy> yeah im raelly hoping that desktop goes off..i would be the first to just dock my phone and use it as full featured pc so i can browse easier
[23:33] <fellayaboy> it would make my laptop obsolete
[23:34] <dr_willis> i allready have several android devices i use as a  'desktop' machine. ;)
[23:34] <fellayaboy> how so dr willis
[23:34] <fellayaboy> do u have it connected to a big monitor
[23:34] <KI7MT> LOL just don' try to compile buntuils, Glibc or Gcc with your docked phone :-)
[23:34] <fellayaboy> via hdmi or vga? if so how do u do that
[23:35] <KI7MT> binutils .. ..
[23:35] <fellayaboy> hmm how so
[23:35] <fellayaboy> yeah all those kernal modification tools
[23:37] <me2> is there a way to get the live version ubuntu studio to save settings and stuff because after rebooting all settings are gone
[23:38] <KI7MT> mount /home to USB key or things portable.
[23:38] <nabblet> me2: i think if you use unetbootin to genearte a live-usb stick, you can allocate space to save settings
[23:39] <oppositescopez> lol can i just request pm's really i cant fix this with so much going on
[23:40] <oppositescopez> o.0 now no one?
[23:40] <Pici> oppositescopez: Are you asking a question?
[23:41] <oppositescopez> i had before
[23:41] <Pici> also..
[23:41] <Pici> !quietwebchat
[23:41] <oppositescopez> like a few minutes ago
[23:41] <fellayaboy> airdroid is awesome!
[23:41] <Pici> oppositescopez: its pretty quiet if you ignore joins/parts/quits here
[23:42] <nabblet> oppositescopez: what's the problem? also do what Pici says, it helps a lot ;)
[23:43] <oppositescopez> oh, i got alot of broken stuff (from what people told me earlier) relating to errors i get when using ANY apt-get command
[23:43] <oppositescopez> haha ill starrt paste binning everything that i had to paste bin earlier k?
[23:44] <nabblet> !paste
[23:44] <nabblet> oppositescopez: ^
[23:46] <oppositescopez> apt-get update http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094803/
[23:47] <natsukao> the website http://www.airdroid.com says with the button Get Airdroid 2 - It's Free
[23:47] <Ben64> oppositescopez: you have a lot of bad stuff going on there
[23:47] <natsukao> Airdroid 2; you are Free to download it; but is not Free Software
[23:47] <oppositescopez> along with the error i get at the end of every apt-get command http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094806/
[23:48] <oppositescopez> i know i do.. thats why im here :D
[23:48] <Pici> natsukao: stop advertising here
[23:48] <natsukao> it is not released under the terms of GNU General Public License
[23:48] <Ben64> oppositescopez: what version of ubuntu do you have
[23:48] <oppositescopez> lol was about to paste that :p
[23:49] <oppositescopez> omg hit a blank on the command for that
[23:49] <oppositescopez> i used it like a minute ago
[23:49] <Pici> lsb_release -a
[23:49] <oppositescopez> and its gone from my terminal history o.0
[23:49] <Pici> or cat /etc/issue
[23:50] <oppositescopez> michael@oppositescopez:~$ lsb_release -a LSB Version:	core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.10 Release:	12.10 Codename:	quantal
[23:50] <oppositescopez> uhh whoops
[23:50] <oppositescopez> forgot to copy link x.x
[23:50] <oppositescopez> its lubuntu btw
[23:51] <Ben64> well, first off, you need to upgrade to 13.10 before january or lose support. secondly, you really need to fix your sources.list. you have stuff from karmic and precise there, that is definitely not good
[23:52] <oppositescopez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094813/ there thats the link
[23:52] <oppositescopez> eveen though i already accidently pasted it here
[23:52] <Pici> 13.04, you can't upgrade to 13.10 directly.
[23:52] <Ben64> yeah, but 13.04 loses support in january
[23:52] <oppositescopez> how do i upgrade?
[23:53] <Ben64> 12.10's support lasts longer than 13.04, since thats when they changed it to 9 months of support
[23:53] <Ben64> oppositescopez: the update manager should tell you, but you might need to get apt-get working first.
[23:53] <Ben64> !ppa-purge | oppositescopez
[23:54] <Pici> 13.10 isn't even released yet, lets not suggest it quite so easily.
[23:54] <Ben64> just saying before january....
[23:54] <Pici> yep :)
[23:54] <oppositescopez> just throwing this out here.. completely new to ubuntu o.o
[23:54] <Ben64> i'm anticipating lots of problems next year when people can't upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 anymore
[23:55] <LinuxGold> ?
[23:55] <natsukao> so it is not Free Software; and http://www.airdroid.com does not say which License is used for it; http://www.airdroid.com invites people to buy it; why to buy a package without to know what really is doing that software ? do you ever buy a car without to know if it could curb ? i think that no person is so stupid to mount on car without to know if the car could curb, so why to buy a package or downlaod it for free when you
[23:55] <oppositescopez> Linux oppositescopez 3.5.0-27-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 25 20:00:05 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:55] <Ben64> natsukao: what does any of what you're saying relate to ubuntu support?
[23:56] <oppositescopez> haha thats my uname -a someone asked for it earlier so i figured id just paste it
[23:56] <KI7MT> That's always been the case, LTS to LTS is ok, but intermediate, more than one do-release-upgrade to 2nd upg was never supported.
[23:56] <oppositescopez> ok , so how do i fix this?
[23:57] <Ben64> oppositescopez: use ppa-purge to remove the ppas that you have, remove the virtualbox repo and the dropbox one, then apt-get should be able to work
[23:58] <oppositescopez> uhh.. whats a ppa?
[23:59] <KI7MT> why you using a Vbox PPA anyway ? The best .deb distros are on the Vbox site if the ones in Ubuntu repos are not up to date.
[23:59] <oppositescopez> The program 'ppa-purge' is currently not installed.
[23:59] <CuRb> sudo apt-get purge or sudo aptitude purge
[23:59] <oppositescopez> lol  i can attemt to apt-get it? and hope it works.