| micahg | OvenWerks: is there an LP bug for that session issue? | 03:41 |
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| elfy | knome: if you're happy with the gmb testcase on the pad I'll get it into the system | 08:19 |
| knome | elfy, not yet :) | 08:49 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: sure thing! generally speaking parole docs haven't really started yet, i only set up a dummy page here (which is where docs will end up eventually): http://docs.xfce.org/apps/parole/start | 09:12 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: currently we're porting parole to Gtk3, and the UI has changed a little, so we decided to wait with starting the docs until that transition is made | 09:19 |
| knome | ochosi, would you have some time soonish to finish off the gmb testcase? i know it's nearly ready, but we should see if there are any kinks | 09:21 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: you should be able to install the latest version of parole from here: https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/xfce-4.12-daily | 09:21 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, internet is a bit sloooow here atm, but i can take a look | 09:24 |
| ochosi | knome: got the link at hand? | 09:34 |
| knome | just a sec | 09:34 |
| knome | need to do one other thing first (5mins) | 09:34 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: so you'll need to get access to the docs wiki, but we can probably set up a staging page somewhere else | 09:36 |
| elfy | ochosi: http://pad.ubuntu.com/SdNxa2psDG | 09:41 |
| ochosi | thanks elfy | 09:41 |
| ochosi | elfy: how do we treat alternative methods for a test? | 09:43 |
| elfy | alternative methods for what? | 09:44 |
| ochosi | in gmusicbrowser: for updating your collection | 09:44 |
| ochosi | you can either add a new folder to your existing "Music" folder | 09:44 |
| elfy | oic | 09:44 |
| ochosi | (or library folder, whereever that might be) | 09:44 |
| ochosi | or you add a folder that resides somewhere else to your collection | 09:45 |
| elfy | would that not be a new test - eg - Add New Music to library | 09:45 |
| ochosi | well both add variants add new music | 09:45 |
| ochosi | kinda | 09:45 |
| ochosi | but yeah, i'll make it a separate test then | 09:46 |
| elfy | update wouldn't if it didn't know the new source I assume | 09:46 |
| elfy | this is why I'm not doing the testcase - I really don't like using gmb :) | 09:46 |
| elfy | it just confuses me :) | 09:47 |
| ochosi | we need docs for it i think | 09:49 |
| elfy | probably - it doesn't seem very logical to me - but that's possibly just me | 09:49 |
| knome | ok, i'm back | 09:56 |
| elfy | hi | 09:57 |
| knome | hey | 09:58 |
| knome | ochosi, can you double-check the plugins part? | 09:58 |
| knome | i can't remember where those infos are loaded | 09:58 |
| knome | so just make sure they are appropriate and not "(name?)" | 09:59 |
| knome | i suppose other than that, i'm ok to include that in our tests | 10:00 |
| ochosi | well, make sure that the infos are loading at all | 10:00 |
| knome | :P | 10:00 |
| ochosi | for some reason the artistinfo plugin fails for me here atm | 10:00 |
| knome | heh | 10:01 |
| ochosi | hmpf, same for albuminfo | 10:01 |
| knome | well if you made sure the testcase was correct, people could notice that and send bugs ;) | 10:01 |
| elfy | :D | 10:02 |
| ochosi | well if it doesn't even work for me here on saucy, there's no point in letting people run into these bugs over and over again | 10:03 |
| knome | :P | 10:08 |
| ochosi | i'm already getting in touch with squentin to see whether he can fix it | 10:08 |
| ochosi | otherwise we'd have to disable those plugins by default | 10:09 |
| ochosi | doesn't make sense to activate them when they don't work | 10:09 |
| knome | sure | 10:09 |
| knome | still time to fix them though | 10:09 |
| elfy | lol - so next time I've got a bug I'll get ochosi to write a testcase for it :D | 10:09 |
| knome | ;) | 10:09 |
| ochosi | ok, all plugins that download webcontent have seized to work here | 10:10 |
| ochosi | not exactly sure why | 10:10 |
| ochosi | who of you is on saucy? | 10:11 |
| knome | .o. | 10:11 |
| * elfy is | 10:11 | |
| knome | i can run a vbox desktop if you need more testing | 10:11 |
| ochosi | elfy: could you please start gmb from the terminal and select a song from a popular band where you're sure you get results and then check one of these tabs/plugins: lyrics, artistinfo, albuminfo? | 10:11 |
| ochosi | to the worst hit the refresh button there and check what the terminal says (if it doesn't work) | 10:12 |
| elfy | a song in my library? | 10:12 |
| ochosi | yup | 10:12 |
| elfy | lyrics workd | 10:13 |
| elfy | artist works | 10:13 |
| elfy | album info I assume is just called album - that's failing | 10:13 |
| ochosi | term output? | 10:14 |
| knome | what does the fox say? | 10:14 |
| knome | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE | 10:14 |
| ochosi | or what happens when you hit the search-button? | 10:14 |
| elfy | http://pastebin.com/71S70ici | 10:14 |
| elfy | search button? | 10:15 |
| ochosi | http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09112013-121523pm.php | 10:15 |
| ochosi | that one next to "refresh" | 10:15 |
| elfy | don't see any of those buttons | 10:15 |
| elfy | what layout you using? | 10:16 |
| ochosi | ok, wait a sec then :) | 10:16 |
| ochosi | (the default layout, just have to check what modications i have in my local setup) | 10:16 |
| elfy | the album plugin is just completely empty | 10:17 |
| elfy | I'll do a screenie - but I'll have to play later - got top be at work in 10 | 10:17 |
| ochosi | ah, then please go to the settings menu > settings > plugins | 10:17 |
| ochosi | and activate it therer | 10:17 |
| ochosi | that should do the trick | 10:17 |
| ochosi | (maybe we have to update our gmbrc file) | 10:17 |
| ochosi | if you still have time | 10:18 |
| elfy | mmm | 10:18 |
| knome | elfy always has time for QA, he's the QA lead | 10:18 |
| elfy | so enabling the thing has made gmb completely unresponsive now | 10:18 |
| * knome hides | 10:18 | |
| elfy | lol | 10:18 |
| ochosi | hmpf | 10:19 |
| elfy | well that didn't want to stop then ... | 10:19 |
| elfy | I'll be back in a few hours - gtg | 10:19 |
| ochosi | sure, seeya | 10:20 |
| ochosi | nice, indicator-power works now in xubuntu with the gtk3 panel patches | 10:23 |
| ochosi | if it had support for calling xfce4-power-manager (which should be easy to add) it'd be nice to use | 10:23 |
| ochosi | more consistency in the panel | 10:23 |
| ochosi | knome: do we track saucy bugs somewhere in a blueprint or something? | 11:05 |
| ochosi | just to keep an overview | 11:13 |
| knome | ochosi, if it's a release-critical, link it to the -devel blueprint | 11:16 |
| ochosi | is the logout bug there? | 11:17 |
| knome | yes | 11:17 |
| knome | at least if you mean the logout/lock bug | 11:17 |
| ochosi | in this case it's not release-critical, it's this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1223808 | 11:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1223808 in gmusicbrowser (Ubuntu) "gmbrc misses line to activate albuminfo-plugin" [Undecided,New] | 11:17 |
| ochosi | i'd still like to keep it somewhere so that i'm not the only one reminding micahg :) | 11:17 |
| knome | let me rephrase... | 11:17 |
| knome | if it's release-critical or something you are inclined to fix within this cycle, link it | 11:18 |
| ochosi | hmpf, why is there no list of blueprints here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop | 11:20 |
| knome | because that's for the product | 11:21 |
| knome | for the xubuntu-desktop product, i mean | 11:21 |
| knome | and all of our blueprints need to be filed under ubuntu, if we want them showing up in status.u.c | 11:21 |
| knome | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-s-flavor-xubuntu | 11:21 |
| knome | s/-s-/-t-/ for 14.04 blueprint(s) | 11:22 |
| ochosi | can't see the logout bug in the devel blueprint | 11:23 |
| ochosi | ah | 11:23 |
| ochosi | there it is | 11:23 |
| knome | yep | 11:23 |
| knome | feel free to change the title | 11:23 |
| knome | (as i've said before) | 11:24 |
| ochosi | so far i haven't successfully investigated | 11:24 |
| knome | well it's pretty clear to me that the missing languages are a symptom of the real bug | 11:24 |
| knome | so in that sense, the bug description is misleading | 11:25 |
| knome | because that's a non-issue | 11:25 |
| ochosi | yeah | 11:25 |
| knome | the languages *shouldn't* be there when you've locked out | 11:26 |
| knome | maybe another wishlist/low priority bug for hiding those menus when you're "only" locked out | 11:26 |
| ochosi | yeah, but that's useless until we use light-locker | 11:28 |
| knome | i'm not saying what's useless or not ;) | 11:28 |
| knome | i'm just saying those are two different bugs | 11:28 |
| knome | and exactly that the lock-state bug is more critical than the languages | 11:28 |
| ochosi | yeah, it just might be a different, greeter-unrelated bug though | 11:31 |
| knome | sure | 11:32 |
| ochosi | ali1234: you said that sound-indicator doesn't accept scrolling in unity either iirc – is there already a bugreport for that? | 11:38 |
| ali1234 | yes | 11:38 |
| ali1234 | it's on the mail | 11:38 |
| ochosi | ah, i overlooked | 11:39 |
| ochosi | sry | 11:39 |
| ochosi | btw, it kinda makes sense to show the notification bubble when the volume is changed through scrolling | 11:41 |
| ochosi | on the indicator i mean | 11:41 |
| ochosi | (and i'm not sure that xfce4-volumed could distinguish the signals between menuitem and panel-item anyway) | 11:41 |
| ali1234 | i don't think anything new happened since my mail. i'm waiting on those bugs to be fixed pretty much | 11:42 |
| ali1234 | and none of them has anything to do with xfce | 11:42 |
| ochosi | mhm | 11:43 |
| ochosi | would be nice to see xfce4-powerman support in indicator-power | 11:43 |
| ochosi | any idea why brightness stuff wouldn't be shown there? | 11:46 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 11:47 |
| ali1234 | i don't think i have ever seen that | 11:47 |
| ochosi | ok, well it should theoretically show a scale | 11:51 |
| ochosi | btw, if you want/can, it'd be great if you could patch indicator-power to open xfce4-powerman's settings on the "power settings..." menuitem | 11:52 |
| ochosi | there should be an analogous patch for indicator-sound somewhere to open pavucontrol | 11:52 |
| ochosi | anyhoo, lunchtime, bbl | 11:52 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, thanks for the info on parole. I'll get that new version and check it out. | 12:04 |
| knome | bbl | 12:09 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: great! | 12:41 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: feel free to check the docs of other xfce apps as reference (terminal is quite good) http://docs.xfce.org/apps/start | 12:48 |
| brainwash | consolekit is deprecate and not required anymore, right? | 12:54 |
| brainwash | not sure yet, if I can simply remove the package | 12:55 |
| ochosi | not sure if logind has taken over everything | 12:57 |
| ochosi | tbh the transition isn't much fun | 12:57 |
| brainwash | on my current installation no package actually depends on consolekit | 13:01 |
| brainwash | well, same for system-shim :) | 13:01 |
| brainwash | ochosi: when right clicking the password input field presented by the lightdm greeter, a strangely broken context menu appears | 14:25 |
| brainwash | maybe because I'm actually using the latest git version of Greybird | 14:25 |
| ochosi | brainwash: thanks, will check | 14:26 |
| elfy | ochosi: confirmed your gmb bug and added a comment | 14:35 |
| ochosi | thanks | 14:36 |
| ochosi | btw, we're investigating the UI freezing of the plugin | 14:36 |
| elfy | ok - thanks | 14:36 |
| ochosi | but the rest of the plugins seem to work fine | 14:36 |
| ochosi | so the testcase should be ok there | 14:36 |
| elfy | personally I'd add it to the testcase - we know the bug is there | 14:37 |
| ochosi | please go ahead | 14:38 |
| elfy | I would but I don't know what it normally says :) | 14:39 |
| ochosi | you mean the plugin? | 14:39 |
| elfy | yea | 14:39 |
| ochosi | it looks pretty much like the artistinfo plugin | 14:39 |
| ochosi | just with albums ;) | 14:39 |
| ochosi | and albumreviews | 14:39 |
| elfy | ok - so just some generic thing will do :) | 14:39 |
| ochosi | exactly | 14:39 |
| elfy | ochosi: so was this gmb test just waiting for you to look? | 14:40 |
| elfy | if it was I'll merge it | 14:40 |
| ochosi | i was prolly gonna add another small one | 14:40 |
| elfy | ok | 14:41 |
| ochosi | but other than that, i think it's quite finished | 14:41 |
| elfy | well when you know it's ready let me know - unless someone else merges it | 14:41 |
| ochosi | elfy: done | 14:47 |
| elfy | ok - I'll pull the trigger on it then | 14:48 |
| ochosi | thanks | 14:48 |
| elfy | all done now | 14:59 |
| elfy | knome: gmb not added to the package tracker yet - not sure if it should go in xfce or xubuntu apps | 15:02 |
| elfy | hello jono_ | 15:02 |
| elfy | I'd assume xubuntu apps - http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/350/ | 15:04 |
| elfy | knome: should we even be worrying about the test for onboard - I'd assume that Ubuntu uses it - they've got more resources I'd say - was one that just got the xubuntu tag added, that just leaves the printer one - I'll mail the list to ask if someone can do it - I can't - no printer | 15:40 |
| Unit193 | Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, xubuntu-desktop Yep, Ubuntu uses it (in raring at least.) | 15:45 |
| elfy | what is this task thing | 15:50 |
| Unit193 | apt-cache show $packagename | 15:50 |
| Unit193 | I can also tell you ubuntukylin uses it. | 15:50 |
| elfy | thanks - never used show before | 15:51 |
| Unit193 | ubuntu-dev-tools: /usr/bin/seeded-in-ubuntu can also be handy. | 15:51 |
| elfy | I'm pleased we've got down to 2 left from almost too many :p | 15:53 |
| GridCube | if you need i can try to test login to my touchscreen netbook using that thingy :D | 15:53 |
| elfy | I can't even start the thing to write the testcase - so I was intending to push it to someone else to worry about :) | 15:54 |
| elfy | we've written 47 manual testcases | 15:54 |
| elfy | and as I've no printer I can't do that one either :) | 15:55 |
| lderan | :P | 16:09 |
| brainwash | ochosi: can you like the bugreport/blueprint for the delayed logout issue please? | 18:00 |
| brainwash | ochosi: link | 18:11 |
| brainwash | I can't find it anywhere | 18:12 |
| Unit193 | win new split | 18:14 |
| Unit193 | Erp... | 18:14 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: I went back and tested my KDE logouts and they are fine now. The only way I can get any delay is to have an app like libreoffice open while trying to logout. I am doing a fresh install with xfce to see the difference. | 18:36 |
| OvenWerks | I am realizing I don't logout (or shutdown) very often. | 18:36 |
| brainwash | the greeter doesn't offer the option to restart, only shutdown is available | 18:40 |
| brainwash | that's weird too | 18:40 |
| knome | elfy, yup, xubuntu apps | 19:16 |
| knome | elfy, if no one else is up for it, i can do that later when i'm visiting my mum or take a remote session. | 19:17 |
| elfy | you talking about the printer one? | 19:18 |
| elfy | knome: mandatory, run once or optional do you think - I'd probably go for run once | 19:23 |
| knome | elfy, yep, latter comments were about printer | 19:32 |
| knome | elfy, for gmb, i think run once is fine | 19:32 |
| elfy | thought so | 19:32 |
| elfy | for both - I did the package test setup :) | 19:32 |
| elfy | what's your thoughts on onboard testcase | 19:32 |
| knome | not sure | 19:33 |
| knome | i haven't heard of many people using it | 19:33 |
| elfy | me neither - I'm just thinking of removing the xubuntu tag that chilcuil added | 19:34 |
| elfy | if ever any of the other flavours get round to doing testcases we can just use theirs if we want to | 19:35 |
| knome | yes | 19:36 |
| knome | what i actually think is... | 19:36 |
| elfy | ok | 19:36 |
| knome | it's kind of hypocritical to "just" have an onboard testcase | 19:36 |
| knome | if we were really interested if that worked or not, we should be able to put a lot more work to accessibility | 19:37 |
| knome | at the moment that's not possible, even if we wanted | 19:37 |
| elfy | makes sense to me | 19:37 |
| knome | so yeah, i'm fine with dropping that for now | 19:37 |
| elfy | I'll deal with that then | 19:37 |
| knome | ta | 19:37 |
| elfy | knome: if you find you've not got time to do the printer one let me know and I'll ask on the list citing having no money to get a printer :) | 19:39 |
| knome | lol | 19:41 |
| knome | the problem is - i don't have a printer either | 19:41 |
| knome | but i can get ahold of one, if needed.. | 19:41 |
| elfy | I can do a mail easy enough | 19:42 |
| knome | yep, feel free to | 19:42 |
| knome | i was just saying i can do it if nobody else does... | 19:42 |
| elfy | ok | 19:43 |
| ochosi | brainwash: it's linked to here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-s-development | 21:22 |
| ochosi | brainwash: the direct link being that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1204486 | 21:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1204486 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "Unable to select alternate languages at login screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:22 |
| ochosi | brainwash: but for real, those two bugs should be split into two bugreports | 21:22 |
| knome | if somebody missed: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-September/009329.html | 21:22 |
| knome | congrats jack :) | 21:23 |
| ochosi | +1 | 21:23 |
| ochosi | (already done via ml) | 21:23 |
| knome | hmm | 21:24 |
| knome | are you on my ignore list? | 21:24 |
| knome | or is mailman playing games again | 21:24 |
| knome | probably that | 21:24 |
| knome | hmm, no, even mailman doesn't see your message | 21:25 |
| knome | wrong email? | 21:25 |
| ochosi | who knows | 21:25 |
| knome | nah, not that | 21:26 |
| knome | not in the mod queue | 21:26 |
| knome | and not in the archives | 21:26 |
| ochosi | ah, stuck in my queue | 21:26 |
| knome | :) | 21:26 |
| ochosi | weird connection here... | 21:26 |
| ochosi | (knew that already) | 21:26 |
| brainwash | ochosi: thanks for the links, is the broken context menu, which popups when richt clicking the password input field, related too | 21:27 |
| brainwash | wait, were you able to reproduce this broken menu issue? | 21:27 |
| ochosi | brainwash: have to test it yet, haven't had time to yet | 21:34 |
| knome | interesting: http://open-advice.org/ | 21:36 |
| ochosi | nice, greybird with csd: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JWaas0u9El8/UjDWYflGFmI/AAAAAAAAIsA/43rB5FnaWlw/w1278-h719-no/Screenshot+from+2013-09-12+01%253A57%253A17.png | 21:42 |
| ochosi | (client side decorations, in case anyone is wondering) | 21:44 |
| * ochosi really likes how future-proof our themes are at this point | 21:45 | |
| knome | :) | 21:45 |
| Unit193 | Then, broken in gtk 3.9 | 21:45 |
| brainwash | I like that icon theme | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | client side decorations = no decorations? | 21:47 |
| ochosi | ali1234: basically yes | 21:48 |
| ochosi | integrated in the app in whatever way the app-dev sees suitable | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | what a terrible idea | 21:49 |
| brainwash | so the bar will be visible when using basic window mangers (tiling wms,..)? | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | the is no "the bar" | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | it's just whatever the app decides to draw | 21:50 |
| brainwash | resulting in every app looking different? | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | yes | 21:51 |
| brainwash | what a mess | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | it will be like when you load up office 2010 on xp: it looks like windows 7 | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | but everything else still looks like xp | 21:51 |
| ochosi | yup | 21:55 |
| ochosi | that's the huge problem that wayland brought about | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | not that you'll be able to use a "basic" window manager with wayland - the window manager is built it | 21:56 |
| brainwash | csd requires wayland? | 21:57 |
| ochosi | brainwash: no, but wayland requires csd | 21:58 |
| ochosi | wayland doesn't decorate windows in the traditional sense | 21:58 |
| ochosi | toolkits should do that | 21:59 |
| ochosi | and to some extent, that makes sense | 21:59 |
| ochosi | (more consistent theming etc) | 21:59 |
| ochosi | but the problem is inconsistency between apps | 21:59 |
| ochosi | if devs don't follow the HIG who knows where/how to close an app (theoretically) | 21:59 |
| ochosi | it's the whole QT/GTK problem of OK/CANCEL in LEFT/RIGHT all over again... | 22:00 |
| ali1234 | best case we'll need a qt and a gtk3 version of every window decoration theme like we already do with the widget themes | 22:01 |
| ali1234 | worst case every app will draw it's own windows like chrome does | 22:01 |
| brainwash | Unity 8 to the rescue! | 22:01 |
| brainwash | :D | 22:01 |
| Unit193 | jjfrv8: Late congrats. | 22:15 |
| jjfrv8 | thanks, ochosi, lderan, Unit193. | 22:23 |
| lderan | \o/ | 22:24 |
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