[03:41] <micahg> OvenWerks: is there an LP bug for that session issue?
[08:19] <elfy> knome: if you're happy with the gmb testcase on the pad I'll get it into the system
[08:49] <knome> elfy, not yet :)
[09:12] <ochosi> jjfrv8: sure thing! generally speaking parole docs haven't really started yet, i only set up a dummy page here (which is where docs will end up eventually): http://docs.xfce.org/apps/parole/start
[09:19] <ochosi> jjfrv8: currently we're porting parole to Gtk3, and the UI has changed a little, so we decided to wait with starting the docs until that transition is made
[09:21] <knome> ochosi, would you have some time soonish to finish off the gmb testcase? i know it's nearly ready, but we should see if there are any kinks
[09:21] <ochosi> jjfrv8: you should be able to install the latest version of parole from here: https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/xfce-4.12-daily
[09:24] <ochosi> knome: yeah, internet is a bit sloooow here atm, but i can take a look
[09:34] <ochosi> knome: got the link at hand?
[09:34] <knome> just a sec
[09:34] <knome> need to do one other thing first (5mins)
[09:36] <ochosi> jjfrv8: so you'll need to get access to the docs wiki, but we can probably set up a staging page somewhere else
[09:41] <elfy> ochosi: http://pad.ubuntu.com/SdNxa2psDG
[09:41] <ochosi> thanks elfy 
[09:43] <ochosi> elfy: how do we treat alternative methods for a test?
[09:44] <elfy> alternative methods for what?
[09:44] <ochosi> in gmusicbrowser: for updating your collection
[09:44] <ochosi> you can either add a new folder to your existing "Music" folder
[09:44] <elfy> oic
[09:44] <ochosi> (or library folder, whereever that might be)
[09:45] <ochosi> or you add a folder that resides somewhere else to your collection
[09:45] <elfy> would that not be a new test - eg - Add New Music to library 
[09:45] <ochosi> well both add variants add new music
[09:45] <ochosi> kinda
[09:46] <ochosi> but yeah, i'll make it a separate test then
[09:46] <elfy> update wouldn't if it didn't know the new source I assume
[09:46] <elfy> this is why I'm not doing the testcase - I really don't like using gmb :)
[09:47] <elfy> it just confuses me :)
[09:49] <ochosi> we need docs for it i think
[09:49] <elfy> probably - it doesn't seem very logical to me - but that's possibly just me 
[09:56] <knome> ok, i'm back
[09:57] <elfy> hi
[09:58] <knome> hey
[09:58] <knome> ochosi, can you double-check the plugins part?
[09:58] <knome> i can't remember where those infos are loaded
[09:59] <knome> so just make sure they are appropriate and not "(name?)"
[10:00] <knome> i suppose other than that, i'm ok to include that in our tests
[10:00] <ochosi> well, make sure that the infos are loading at all
[10:00] <knome> :P
[10:00] <ochosi> for some reason the artistinfo plugin fails for me here atm
[10:01] <knome> heh
[10:01] <ochosi> hmpf, same for albuminfo
[10:01] <knome> well if you made sure the testcase was correct, people could notice that and send bugs ;)
[10:02] <elfy> :D
[10:03] <ochosi> well if it doesn't even work for me here on saucy, there's no point in letting people run into these bugs over and over again
[10:08] <knome> :P
[10:08] <ochosi> i'm already getting in touch with squentin to see whether he can fix it
[10:09] <ochosi> otherwise we'd have to disable those plugins by default
[10:09] <ochosi> doesn't make sense to activate them when they don't work
[10:09] <knome> sure
[10:09] <knome> still time to fix them though
[10:09] <elfy> lol - so next time I've got a bug I'll get ochosi to write a testcase for it :D
[10:09] <knome> ;)
[10:10] <ochosi> ok, all plugins that download webcontent have seized to work here
[10:10] <ochosi> not exactly sure why
[10:11] <ochosi> who of you is on saucy?
[10:11] <knome> .o.
[10:11]  * elfy is
[10:11] <knome> i can run a vbox desktop if you need more testing
[10:11] <ochosi> elfy: could you please start gmb from the terminal and select a song from a popular band where you're sure you get results and then check one of these tabs/plugins: lyrics, artistinfo, albuminfo?
[10:12] <ochosi> to the worst hit the refresh button there and check what the terminal says (if it doesn't work)
[10:12] <elfy> a song in my library?
[10:12] <ochosi> yup
[10:13] <elfy> lyrics workd
[10:13] <elfy> artist works
[10:13] <elfy> album info I assume is just called album - that's failing
[10:14] <ochosi> term output?
[10:14] <knome> what does the fox say?
[10:14] <knome> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE
[10:14] <ochosi> or what happens when you hit the search-button?
[10:14] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/71S70ici
[10:15] <elfy> search button?
[10:15] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09112013-121523pm.php
[10:15] <ochosi> that one next to "refresh"
[10:15] <elfy> don't see any of those buttons 
[10:16] <elfy> what layout you using?
[10:16] <ochosi> ok, wait a sec then :)
[10:16] <ochosi> (the default layout, just have to check what modications i have in my local setup)
[10:17] <elfy> the album plugin is just completely empty
[10:17] <elfy> I'll do a screenie - but I'll have to play later - got top be at work in 10
[10:17] <ochosi> ah, then please go to the settings menu > settings > plugins
[10:17] <ochosi> and activate it therer
[10:17] <ochosi> that should do the trick
[10:17] <ochosi> (maybe we have to update our gmbrc file)
[10:18] <ochosi> if you still have time
[10:18] <elfy> mmm
[10:18] <knome> elfy always has time for QA, he's the QA lead
[10:18] <elfy> so enabling the thing has made gmb completely unresponsive now 
[10:18]  * knome hides
[10:18] <elfy> lol
[10:19] <ochosi> hmpf
[10:19] <elfy> well that didn't want to stop then ... 
[10:19] <elfy> I'll be back in a few hours - gtg
[10:20] <ochosi> sure, seeya
[10:23] <ochosi> nice, indicator-power works now in xubuntu with the gtk3 panel patches
[10:23] <ochosi> if it had support for calling xfce4-power-manager (which should be easy to add) it'd be nice to use
[10:23] <ochosi> more consistency in the panel
[11:05] <ochosi> knome: do we track saucy bugs somewhere in a blueprint or something?
[11:13] <ochosi> just to keep an overview
[11:16] <knome> ochosi, if it's a release-critical, link it to the -devel blueprint
[11:17] <ochosi> is the logout bug there?
[11:17] <knome> yes
[11:17] <knome> at least if you mean the logout/lock bug
[11:17] <ochosi> in this case it's not release-critical, it's this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1223808
[11:17] <ochosi> i'd still like to keep it somewhere so that i'm not the only one reminding micahg :)
[11:17] <knome> let me rephrase...
[11:18] <knome> if it's release-critical or something you are inclined to fix within this cycle, link it
[11:20] <ochosi> hmpf, why is there no list of blueprints here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop
[11:21] <knome> because that's for the product
[11:21] <knome> for the xubuntu-desktop product, i mean
[11:21] <knome> and all of our blueprints need to be filed under ubuntu, if we want them showing up in status.u.c
[11:21] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-s-flavor-xubuntu
[11:22] <knome> s/-s-/-t-/ for 14.04 blueprint(s)
[11:23] <ochosi> can't see the logout bug in the devel blueprint
[11:23] <ochosi> ah
[11:23] <ochosi> there it is
[11:23] <knome> yep
[11:23] <knome> feel free to change the title
[11:24] <knome> (as i've said before)
[11:24] <ochosi> so far i haven't successfully investigated
[11:24] <knome> well it's pretty clear to me that the missing languages are a symptom of the real bug
[11:25] <knome> so in that sense, the bug description is misleading
[11:25] <knome> because that's a non-issue
[11:25] <ochosi> yeah
[11:26] <knome> the languages *shouldn't* be there when you've locked out
[11:26] <knome> maybe another wishlist/low priority bug for hiding those menus when you're "only" locked out
[11:28] <ochosi> yeah, but that's useless until we use light-locker
[11:28] <knome> i'm not saying what's useless or not ;)
[11:28] <knome> i'm just saying those are two different bugs
[11:28] <knome> and exactly that the lock-state bug is more critical than the languages
[11:31] <ochosi> yeah, it just might be a different, greeter-unrelated bug though
[11:32] <knome> sure
[11:38] <ochosi> ali1234: you said that sound-indicator doesn't accept scrolling in unity either iirc – is there already a bugreport for that?
[11:38] <ali1234> yes
[11:38] <ali1234> it's on the mail
[11:39] <ochosi> ah, i overlooked
[11:39] <ochosi> sry
[11:41] <ochosi> btw, it kinda makes sense to show the notification bubble when the volume is changed through scrolling
[11:41] <ochosi> on the indicator i mean
[11:41] <ochosi> (and i'm not sure that xfce4-volumed could distinguish the signals between menuitem and panel-item anyway)
[11:42] <ali1234> i don't think anything new happened since my mail. i'm waiting on those bugs to be fixed pretty much
[11:42] <ali1234> and none of them has anything to do with xfce
[11:43] <ochosi> mhm
[11:43] <ochosi> would be nice to see xfce4-powerman support in indicator-power
[11:46] <ochosi> any idea why brightness stuff wouldn't be shown there?
[11:47] <ali1234> no idea
[11:47] <ali1234> i don't think i have ever seen that
[11:51] <ochosi> ok, well it should theoretically show a scale
[11:52] <ochosi> btw, if you want/can, it'd be great if you could patch indicator-power to open xfce4-powerman's settings on the "power settings..." menuitem
[11:52] <ochosi> there should be an analogous patch for indicator-sound somewhere to open pavucontrol
[11:52] <ochosi> anyhoo, lunchtime, bbl
[12:04] <jjfrv8> ochosi, thanks for the info on parole. I'll get that new version and check it out.
[12:09] <knome> bbl
[12:41] <ochosi> jjfrv8: great!
[12:48] <ochosi> jjfrv8: feel free to check the docs of other xfce apps as reference (terminal is quite good) http://docs.xfce.org/apps/start
[12:54] <brainwash> consolekit is deprecate and not required anymore, right?
[12:55] <brainwash> not sure yet, if I can simply remove the package
[12:57] <ochosi> not sure if logind has taken over everything
[12:57] <ochosi> tbh the transition isn't much fun
[13:01] <brainwash> on my current installation no package actually depends on consolekit
[13:01] <brainwash> well, same for system-shim :)
[14:25] <brainwash> ochosi: when right clicking the password input field presented by the lightdm greeter, a strangely broken context menu appears
[14:25] <brainwash> maybe because I'm actually using the latest git version of Greybird
[14:26] <ochosi> brainwash: thanks, will check
[14:35] <elfy> ochosi: confirmed your gmb bug and added a comment
[14:36] <ochosi> thanks
[14:36] <ochosi> btw, we're investigating the UI freezing of the plugin
[14:36] <elfy> ok - thanks 
[14:36] <ochosi> but the rest of the plugins seem to work fine
[14:36] <ochosi> so the testcase should be ok there
[14:37] <elfy> personally I'd add it to the testcase - we know the bug is there 
[14:38] <ochosi> please go ahead
[14:39] <elfy> I would but I don't know what it normally says :)
[14:39] <ochosi> you mean the plugin?
[14:39] <elfy> yea
[14:39] <ochosi> it looks pretty much like the artistinfo plugin
[14:39] <ochosi> just with albums ;)
[14:39] <ochosi> and albumreviews
[14:39] <elfy> ok - so just some generic thing will do :)
[14:39] <ochosi> exactly
[14:40] <elfy> ochosi: so was this gmb test just waiting for you to look?
[14:40] <elfy> if it was I'll merge it 
[14:40] <ochosi> i was prolly gonna add another small one
[14:41] <elfy> ok
[14:41] <ochosi> but other than that, i think it's quite finished
[14:41] <elfy> well when you know it's ready let me know - unless someone else merges it 
[14:47] <ochosi> elfy: done
[14:48] <elfy> ok - I'll pull the trigger on it then
[14:48] <ochosi> thanks
[14:59] <elfy> all done now
[15:02] <elfy> knome: gmb not added to the package tracker yet - not sure if it should go in xfce or xubuntu apps
[15:02] <elfy> hello jono_ 
[15:04] <elfy> I'd assume xubuntu apps - http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/350/
[15:40] <elfy> knome: should we even be worrying about the test for onboard - I'd assume that Ubuntu uses it - they've got more resources I'd say - was one that just got the xubuntu tag added, that just leaves the printer one - I'll mail the list to ask if someone can do it - I can't - no printer 
[15:45] <Unit193> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, xubuntu-desktop   Yep, Ubuntu uses it (in raring at least.)
[15:50] <elfy> what is this task thing
[15:50] <Unit193> apt-cache show $packagename
[15:50] <Unit193> I can also tell you ubuntukylin uses it.
[15:51] <elfy> thanks - never used show before
[15:51] <Unit193> ubuntu-dev-tools: /usr/bin/seeded-in-ubuntu  can also be handy.
[15:53] <elfy> I'm pleased we've got down to 2 left from almost too many  :p
[15:53] <GridCube> if you need i can try to test login to my touchscreen netbook using that thingy :D
[15:54] <elfy> I can't even start the thing to write the testcase - so I was intending to push it to someone else to worry about :)
[15:54] <elfy> we've written 47 manual testcases 
[15:55] <elfy> and as I've no printer I can't do that one either :)
[16:09] <lderan> :P
[18:00] <brainwash> ochosi: can you like the bugreport/blueprint for the delayed logout issue please?
[18:11] <brainwash> ochosi: link
[18:12] <brainwash> I can't find it anywhere
[18:14] <Unit193> win new split
[18:14] <Unit193> Erp...
[18:36] <OvenWerks> micahg: I went back and tested my KDE logouts and they are fine now. The only way I can get any delay is to have an app like libreoffice open while trying to logout. I am doing a fresh install with xfce to see the difference.
[18:36] <OvenWerks> I am realizing I don't logout (or shutdown) very often.
[18:40] <brainwash> the greeter doesn't offer the option to restart, only shutdown is available
[18:40] <brainwash> that's weird too
[19:16] <knome> elfy, yup, xubuntu apps
[19:17] <knome> elfy, if no one else is up for it, i can do that later when i'm visiting my mum or take a remote session.
[19:18] <elfy> you talking about the printer one?
[19:23] <elfy> knome: mandatory, run once or optional do you think - I'd probably go for run once
[19:32] <knome> elfy, yep, latter comments were about printer
[19:32] <knome> elfy, for gmb, i think run once is fine
[19:32] <elfy> thought so 
[19:32] <elfy> for both - I did the package test setup :)
[19:32] <elfy> what's your thoughts on onboard testcase 
[19:33] <knome> not sure
[19:33] <knome> i haven't heard of many people using it
[19:34] <elfy> me neither - I'm just thinking of removing the xubuntu tag that chilcuil added 
[19:35] <elfy> if ever any of the other flavours get round to doing testcases we can just use theirs if we want to
[19:36] <knome> yes
[19:36] <knome> what i actually think is...
[19:36] <elfy> ok 
[19:36] <knome> it's kind of hypocritical to "just" have an onboard testcase
[19:37] <knome> if we were really interested if that worked or not, we should be able to put a lot more work to accessibility
[19:37] <knome> at the moment that's not possible, even if we wanted
[19:37] <elfy> makes sense to me 
[19:37] <knome> so yeah, i'm fine with dropping that for now
[19:37] <elfy> I'll deal with that then
[19:37] <knome> ta
[19:39] <elfy> knome: if you find you've not got time to do the printer one let me know and I'll ask on the list citing having no money to get a printer :)
[19:41] <knome> lol
[19:41] <knome> the problem is - i don't have a printer either
[19:41] <knome> but i can get ahold of one, if needed..
[19:42] <elfy> I can do a mail easy enough 
[19:42] <knome> yep, feel free to
[19:42] <knome> i was just saying i can do it if nobody else does...
[19:43] <elfy> ok 
[21:22] <ochosi> brainwash: it's linked to here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-s-development
[21:22] <ochosi> brainwash: the direct link being that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1204486
[21:22] <ochosi> brainwash: but for real, those two bugs should be split into two bugreports
[21:22] <knome> if somebody missed: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-September/009329.html
[21:23] <knome> congrats jack :)
[21:23] <ochosi> +1
[21:23] <ochosi> (already done via ml)
[21:24] <knome> hmm
[21:24] <knome> are you on my ignore list?
[21:24] <knome> or is mailman playing games again
[21:24] <knome> probably that
[21:25] <knome> hmm, no, even mailman doesn't see your message
[21:25] <knome> wrong email?
[21:25] <ochosi> who knows
[21:26] <knome> nah, not that
[21:26] <knome> not in the mod queue
[21:26] <knome> and not in the archives
[21:26] <ochosi> ah, stuck in my queue
[21:26] <knome> :)
[21:26] <ochosi> weird connection here...
[21:26] <ochosi> (knew that already)
[21:27] <brainwash> ochosi: thanks for the links, is the broken context menu, which popups when richt clicking the password input field, related too
[21:27] <brainwash> wait, were you able to reproduce this broken menu issue?
[21:34] <ochosi> brainwash: have to test it yet, haven't had time to yet
[21:36] <knome> interesting: http://open-advice.org/
[21:42] <ochosi> nice, greybird with csd: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JWaas0u9El8/UjDWYflGFmI/AAAAAAAAIsA/43rB5FnaWlw/w1278-h719-no/Screenshot+from+2013-09-12+01%253A57%253A17.png
[21:44] <ochosi> (client side decorations, in case anyone is wondering)
[21:45]  * ochosi really likes how future-proof our themes are at this point
[21:45] <knome> :)
[21:45] <Unit193> Then, broken in gtk 3.9
[21:46] <brainwash> I like that icon theme
[21:47] <ali1234> client side decorations = no decorations?
[21:48] <ochosi> ali1234: basically yes
[21:49] <ochosi> integrated in the app in whatever way the app-dev sees suitable
[21:49] <ali1234> what a terrible idea
[21:50] <brainwash> so the bar will be visible when using basic window mangers (tiling wms,..)?
[21:50] <ali1234> the is no "the bar"
[21:50] <ali1234> it's just whatever the app decides to draw
[21:51] <brainwash> resulting in every app looking different?
[21:51] <ali1234> yes
[21:51] <brainwash> what a mess
[21:51] <ali1234> it will be like when you load up office 2010 on xp: it looks like windows 7
[21:51] <ali1234> but everything else still looks like xp
[21:55] <ochosi> yup
[21:56] <ochosi> that's the huge problem that wayland brought about
[21:56] <ali1234> not that you'll be able to use a "basic" window manager with wayland - the window manager is built it
[21:57] <brainwash> csd requires wayland?
[21:58] <ochosi> brainwash: no, but wayland requires csd
[21:58] <ochosi> wayland doesn't decorate windows in the traditional sense
[21:59] <ochosi> toolkits should do that
[21:59] <ochosi> and to some extent, that makes sense
[21:59] <ochosi> (more consistent theming etc)
[21:59] <ochosi> but the problem is inconsistency between apps
[21:59] <ochosi> if devs don't follow the HIG who knows where/how to close an app (theoretically)
[22:00] <ochosi> it's the whole QT/GTK problem of OK/CANCEL in LEFT/RIGHT all over again...
[22:01] <ali1234> best case we'll need a qt and a gtk3 version of every window decoration theme like we already do with the widget themes
[22:01] <ali1234> worst case every app will draw it's own windows like chrome does
[22:01] <brainwash> Unity 8 to the rescue!
[22:01] <brainwash> :D
[22:15] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Late congrats.
[22:23] <jjfrv8> thanks, ochosi, lderan, Unit193.
[22:24] <lderan> \o/