[00:46] <PManning395> Hello?
[00:47] <GridCube> !hi
[00:50] <PManning395> Hello! I had a question about Xubuntu and LiveUSBs
[00:50] <XRS1> k
[00:52] <PManning395> I have a laptop that I would like to set up as a netbook, as the previous harddrive is shot. That being said, I would like to use Xubuntu on a LiveUSB to act as the OS. Without a hard drive, would I be able to use the Xubuntu as the only OS?
[00:52] <XRS1> yes
[00:53] <PManning395> Ok. And is there a way to set it up that it just launches the OS, so it doesnt ask every time if I want toeither try it or install it?
[00:53] <XRS1> you can install xubuntu onto a USB flash drive or an SD card
[00:53] <PManning395> An SD card? I neer would have thought of that.
[00:53] <PManning395> never*
[00:53] <XRS1> be warned, it usually guesses wrong and installs the bootloader to the wrong USB drive by default, if that happens, boot from the live USB and run boot-repair
[00:54] <XRS1> when installing from USB to USB/SD
[00:54] <GridCube> ^ listen to him
[00:55] <PManning395> I would only have the flash drive as the liveUSB to be plugged in, I wouldn't have any other storage devices installed. Would that still be an issue? I would try the SD, but I don't have one handy at the moment. Otherwise I think i would install the liveUSB to the SD Directly.
[00:55] <PManning395> That was another question that I just remmebered. If I use the Flash drive as a liveUSB, will I be able to save files to it?
[00:55] <XRS1> you would have to select "Something Else" at the disk setup part.
[00:56] <PManning395> Ok
[00:56] <GridCube> PManning395, you will need to install from somewhere to the otherwhere
[00:56] <XRS1> wait
[00:56] <XRS1> yeah
[00:56] <XRS1> no you cant install from the live to the live
[00:56] <GridCube> like ask someone to loan you a pendrive for a few hours
[00:57] <XRS1> you can reconfigure grub's boot options so it just boots to desktop
[00:57] <GridCube> mmhm
[00:57] <PManning395> I mean, I would set up the live disk, and have the extra space (say 3gbs) Could I use the extra gb's for storage of files?
[00:58] <PManning395> And the Grub menu? Aight, ill have to look into that.
[00:58] <XRS1> but running as live instead of an actual install is much slower
[00:58] <PManning395> I don't have a spot to actually isntall it to
[00:58] <PManning395> Since my hard drive (or cable) is completely messed up
[00:59] <GridCube> PManning395, using two pendrives, or a pendrive and a sdcard, you can install from one to the other
[00:59] <GridCube> no need for a "classic" hard drive
[00:59] <XRS1> what i do if im gonna run a live disk is delete the casper-rw file (using a diff computer that can boot on its own) and creat a new EXT2 partition labeled casper-rw    this partition is where everything will save to
[01:01] <XRS1> this way you can have more than the limit of 4GB of live persistence
[01:01] <GridCube> using unetbootin you can check an option called "reserve space for data"
[01:01] <XRS1> ah nice
[01:01] <XRS1> much easier
[01:05] <xubuntu438> Hello?
[01:07] <GridCube> !hi | xubuntu438
[01:08] <xubuntu438> I am brand new to linux and to whatever kind of chat this is
[01:08] <xubuntu438> where do I start?
[01:08] <PManning395> Apologies, I am back.
[01:09] <PManning395> Ok, I will look into that. Thank you again for the help everyone!
[01:13] <xubuntu438> My install is complete and I need to restart, how do I return to this chat?
[01:18] <PManning395> Ok, so i'm using unetbootin
[01:18] <PManning395> And towards the bottom it says "Space reserved to preserve files across reboots (ubuntu only)" and then MB's
[01:19] <PManning395> Since im using xubuntu, do I need to worry about this?
[01:22] <XRS1> no
[01:22] <PManning395> ok, thank you
[01:22] <GridCube> xubuntu is basically ubuntu at that level
[01:24] <XRS1> xubuntu, edubuntu, mythbuntu, Ubuntu Studio and lubuntu are all Canonical backed Ubuntu.
[01:26] <XRS1> oh yeah left out kubuntu
[01:27] <PManning395> ah, ok
[01:27] <PManning395> makes sense
[01:32] <GridCube> XRS1, and gnome-ubuntu
[01:40] <XRS1> news to me
[02:01] <xubuntu669> hello. I have xubuntu version 13.04 and seem to be having trouble with the glEdgeFlag() function functioning properly under its openGL libraries. I am running my version of Xubuntu in a virtual machine on virtualbox.
[02:02] <xubuntu669> Any ideas on what I could do to fix this?
[02:15] <PManning395> Xrs1
[02:20] <PManning395> how do I launch Xubuntu as Try it automatically?
[03:57] <hylian> hello
[05:00] <xubuntu044> hola
[05:09] <yeyeman> firefox scrolling is incredibly laggy
[05:09] <yeyeman> anyway to fix?
[05:15] <Unit193> yeyeman: Disable smooth scrolling?
[05:21] <yeyeman> it didn't help
[07:37] <yeyeman> xubuntu seems to save my session between sessions
[07:37] <yeyeman> even though I have not ticked the "save session" box on the logout splash screen
[07:37] <yeyeman> How can I disable it?
[07:38] <baizon> yeyeman: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=23391
[08:50] <nerdtron> yeyeman, close all your windows, shutdown and CHECK the "save sessions"... on your future shutdowns, UNCHECK the "save sessions"
[08:51] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem with xscreensaver, don't authenticate even with correct password
[08:53] <MoL0ToV> also gnome-screensaver
[09:43] <pipe84> hi all, just installed xubuntu 13.04 on my HP laptop with ATI HD6320, I managed to put the brightness to maximum, but the keys (F2-F3) to increase or decrease brightness does not work, either with Fn. In graphics mode I can not increase / decrease brightness because I find the option. I appreciate the help
[09:54]  * USAtrucker slaps USAtrucker around a bit with a large trout
[15:56] <drc> I just noticed that http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ has no listing (nor mention) of md5 (or any other hash function).  Q's: 1) How are folks supposed to check their copy of the ISO before use, and 2) Was this by design or an "opps" ?
[15:57] <Sysi> one thin is that you don't need that with torrent download
[15:58] <Sysi> *thing
[15:58] <drc> OK...but there are direct DL's links there also.
[15:59] <Unit193> MD5sums are on the locations page, mirror downloads.
[15:59] <drc> Unit193: You are correct :)
[16:02] <drc> thanks
[16:48] <rosemball> sup guys
[16:48] <rosemball> what is the latest kernel version for xubuntu?
[16:49] <elfy> 3.11.0-7-generic here
[16:49] <Sysi> !info linux-generic
[16:49] <rosemball> !info linux-generic
[16:49] <Sysi> !ubottu
[16:50] <rosemball> elfy did you update it from source or from main repositories?
[16:50] <elfy> no - I'm using the dev version of xubuntu - that's the current kernel for that
[16:51]  * Unit193 has 3.11.0-u193, but compiled it.
[16:51] <rosemball> okay, I think I'll wait for 13.10 then
[16:52] <rosemball> thanks for the answes guys
[16:52] <rosemball> answers
[16:52] <elfy> welcome
[17:02] <GridCube> !info linux-generic saucy
[17:08] <c2tarun> hi friends, anyone using chromium here, I am having problem with magnetic links
[17:09] <rosemball> c2tarun, what problem?
[17:10] <c2tarun> when I click on any magnet link I get a message to launch application, when I launch application I get an error message.
[17:10] <c2tarun> let me share a screenshot with you
[17:11] <c2tarun> rosemball, I get this msg when I click on magnet link icon: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09112013-104059pm.php
[17:12] <c2tarun> rosemball, when I click on launch application I get this msg: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09112013-104147pm.php
[17:12] <rosemball> which program do you use for bit torrent protocol?
[17:16] <c2tarun> rosemball, deluge
[17:16] <rosemball> http://askubuntu.com/questions/44849/how-to-configure-chrome-to-open-magnet-urls-with-deluge
[17:16] <rosemball> see if this help
[18:51] <xubuntu668> Using xub 12.04.3 after nvidia update it boots into the prompt. it's a dual boot Win XP and grub is fine
[18:52] <xubuntu668> can someone please help?
[18:57] <xubuntu668> I can provide all tech info necessary from the prompt I am using another machine side by side
[18:59] <GridCube> xubuntu668, from the grub stage choose a previous linux version to boot from
[18:59] <GridCube> try to see if that works
[19:00] <xubuntu668> no previous kernel. was removed after all worked. current version is .53
[19:01] <xubuntu668> i know it was stupid
[19:01] <GridCube> if that fails xubuntu668, try to go to /etc/X11 and rename xorg.conf using mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.old and reboot, system should reboot to default grafic drivers
[19:01] <xubuntu668> ok. brb
[19:03] <xubuntu668> no xorg.conf
[19:04] <GridCube> then you are not using nvidia drivers
[19:04] <GridCube> xubuntu668, try this, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[19:05] <serraphyn> how do I stop the xubuntu desktop from auto starting?  Like I want it to start with the login/password prompt only in the non-GUI setup
[19:05] <Sysi> serraphyn: remove lightdm
[19:05] <xubuntu668> unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
[19:06] <GridCube> Sysi, aint that a bit overkilling?
[19:06] <Sysi> serraphyn: or look into upstart guides about disabling it
[19:06] <GridCube> xubuntu668, did you sudo it
[19:06] <GridCube> ?
[19:07] <Sysi> GridCube: it's the easiest way, though Iäm not sure if you can get authentication in xfce session to work without a DM
[19:07] <xubuntu668> yes, also it says not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[19:07] <serraphyn> Sysi, I thought the startup was gdm and I did sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove when I needed to use lightdm :D
[19:07] <GridCube> http://askubuntu.com/questions/139014/how-to-disable-lightdm
[19:07] <GridCube> serraphyn,  ^^^
[19:08] <xubuntu668> Gridcube yes I did use sudo.
[19:08] <GridCube> xubuntu668, mmm so you have some problem somewhere
[19:08] <GridCube> sorry i cant be of more help now
[19:09] <GridCube> gotta go
[19:09] <xubuntu668> thanks very much. I really appreciate it. I suspect that I've done something in Windows.
[19:09] <xubuntu668> bye
[19:09] <xubuntu668> exit
[19:42] <jvm_> hi. i setup a new xubuntu and compiz; i tried to overwrite the default keyboard shortcut for window closing, which worked fine on another xubuntu system using the compiz settings. on this system however, the compiz shortcut would not work. even alt+f4 stopped working. now i am lost...
[19:43] <rawrmonster> maybe im just having an off day but if i have a file called 'ex01.py' and i executed the command 'chmod 700 ex01.py' that would make the file rwx correct?
[19:43] <rawrmonster> but just for the current user
[19:43] <jvm_> correct
[19:44] <rawrmonster> hmmm im so lost then
[19:44] <jvm_> no rights for group and others, rawrmonster
[19:44] <jvm_> however, it only makes sense if the file begins with "#!/usr/bin/env python" or similar.
[19:45] <rawrmonster> i have a usb stick in "/media/New Volume" and when i run the command it executes correctly but it still is not rwx just rw
[19:45] <knome> rawrmonster, chmod +x file
[19:45] <rawrmonster> i have tried that as well
[19:45] <rawrmonster> i have also tried to use the gui and it just unchecks it's self
[19:46] <knome> what exactly are you trying to make executable?
[19:46] <rawrmonster> a python script i just made that is some print statements
[19:46] <jvm_> rawrmonster, if the file system is fat or ntfs you will run into trouble, too.
[19:46] <rawrmonster> jvm_: ahh that very well may be it
[19:47] <rawrmonster> jvm_: let me check that because this is normally used for a windows machine
[19:47] <jvm_> speaks against a proper file system ;)
[19:48] <rawrmonster> yea its fat so that is what is causing the trouble most likely?
[19:49] <jvm_> that means you shouldn't bother with your posix right settings...
[19:49] <jvm_> i don't see the necessity, though.
[19:49] <jvm_> you can still run your python program.
[19:50] <rawrmonster> i thought linux had to have the x set for it to execute i guess i should have tried to run it before i complained i just knew it was out of the ordinary when the program did not show green in the terminal
[19:51] <knome> rawrmonster, you should always be able to run it with 'python script.py'
[19:52] <knome> if it had +x, you could have ran it with "./script.py" (or "script.py" if the dir was in PATH)
[19:52] <knome> ultimately, the result would have been always the same,
[19:52] <rawrmonster> well sorry for the false alarm lol i feel kinda like an idiot for not trying it before i came here
[19:53] <rawrmonster> ty for you all help in the matter tho :D
[19:53] <jvm_> don't worry.
[19:53] <jvm_> i am wondering too just now
[19:54] <jvm_> i mounted a fat partition to try, and while i can't change the rights, some files are displayed as executable, while others aren't.
[19:54] <jvm_> s/fat/ntfs
[19:57] <jvm_> i don't know what makes some files different there. while mounting windows partitions you can specify that all files should be treated as executables, however: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2173052
[19:59] <xubuntu812> How can I get rid of the login manager, so that I have a tty login, but still startx automatically?
[20:01] <rawrmonster> you can just uninstall the login manager and give me one second i know there is a way to execute a command on login give me two seconds to find it
[20:02] <Unit193> Change /etc/default/grub  and change out quiet splash   for  text
[20:03] <jvm_> xubuntu812, there must be a premade solution, because i know many systems that do this, but you could just write an init script that runs startx (through sudo as your user) and add it to the right runlevel using update-rc.d
[20:05] <bekks> dont use startx anymore.
[20:05] <bekks> Use lightdm.
[20:06] <jvm_> xubuntu812, there is also nodm.
[20:06] <xubuntu812> nodm? is that just another login manager?
[20:07] <jvm_> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.de/2011/12/howto-get-right-to-x-with-no-display.html
[20:08] <jvm_> and if you google you find other -- i think, worse -- solutions such as http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-auto-login-and-startx-without-a-display-manager-in-debian.html
[20:09] <xubuntu812> what if I just add startx to my .profile?
[20:09] <jvm_> then go read the "worse solution" link, they do that :p
[20:10] <bekks> xubuntu812: Then fix permission issues afterwards.
[20:10] <xubuntu812> and if I add lightdm instead of startx? would that do the same thing?
[20:11] <jvm_> no.
[20:11] <rawrmonster> why is plymouth such a core file of all the ubuntu family distro's?
[20:12] <xubuntu812> so how would adding startx to .profile give me permission issues?
[20:12] <bekks> xubuntu812: It will break permissions. Dont do it.
[20:13] <bekks> Use lightdm if you want to start X automatically.
[20:13] <bekks> And you dont need to add it to .profile
[20:16] <xubuntu812> Im using lightdm now
[20:17] <xubuntu812> it works fine, except for the resolution, or rather, the offset (half my screen is black and my monitor gives error)
[20:18] <xubuntu812> same thing happened in Mint, I fixed it eventually, but it was a pain, and when I change monitors I gotta retrace all my steps, which sucks
[20:21] <jvm_> is autologin set and working?
[20:22] <xubuntu812> I dont want autologin, but yes it is working
[20:22] <bekks> Install the correct drivers and configure them.
[20:23] <xubuntu812> I have correct drivers, they are configured. As soon as I login the screen pops back in place, thats the thing
[21:40] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys quick question trying to burn a AVI File onto a DVD so i play it on my dvd player, which plays burned cds
[21:40] <Psil0Cybin> how can i do that on Xubuntu
[21:41] <Psil0Cybin> what program do i use to convert the .avi to the format i need to burn the dvd.
[21:41] <bekks> k3b can do all that IIRC.
[21:41] <XRS1> ffmpeg, openshot are the first things that come to ming
[21:41] <XRS1> mind*
[21:41] <XRS1> oo k3b. even easier
[21:41] <Psil0Cybin> i have openshot video editor
[21:42] <Psil0Cybin> so how would i go about taking the .AVI to burn to a DVD
[21:42] <Psil0Cybin> i did it once and forgot
[21:42] <XRS1> convert it to mpeg
[21:42] <XRS1> DVD's are encoded in mpeg
[21:42] <Psil0Cybin> okay so what program do i use for that
[21:42] <Psil0Cybin> to encode in mpeg
[21:42] <XRS1> use AC3, PCM or mp3 for sound
[21:43] <Psil0Cybin> there was a program that i used on my xubuntu that was as impel GUI
[21:43] <Psil0Cybin> that encoded it forme and did everything\
[21:43] <XRS1> openshot can do that. i suggest you give k3b a shot as that will figure out the settings and do the work for you (it seems)
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> XRS1, so i would open up the avi in openshot
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> export it as mpeg
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> and just burn that? file
[21:44] <XRS1> yeah
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> what did you mean about the mp3
[21:44] <XRS1> when you export, there are tons of options you can mess with. most important being the video and audio codecs
[21:45] <XRS1> i still say give k3b a shot. youll save some frustration
[21:45] <Psil0Cybin> is it avalaible in the software centre?
[21:45] <XRS1> yes
[21:45] <Psil0Cybin> okay perfect will get it now
[21:46] <Psil0Cybin> what would i do with k3b?
[21:46] <Psil0Cybin> could it encode the file for me ?
[21:46] <XRS1> k3b is a burning app like Nero or Roxio
[21:46] <XRS1> yes
[21:46] <Psil0Cybin> oh wow
[21:46] <Psil0Cybin> so its very user friendlty
[21:46] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[22:19] <Psil0Cybin> XRS1, how would i go about using K3b
[22:19] <Psil0Cybin> to burn an AVI to DVD Readable Format
[22:19] <Psil0Cybin> I open up the avi? file or where would i go
[22:20] <XRS1> give me a few
[22:20] <Psil0Cybin> kk
[22:21] <Psil0Cybin> when ever you have time i made a new video dvd > opened the avi to the folder
[22:21] <Psil0Cybin> so im stuck after there.
[22:21] <Psil0Cybin> but i see VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS
[22:30] <XRS1> ah not cool man. okay, k3b doesnt do encoding, you gotta have the vobs already made.   so i tried Brasero and it seems to work the way i want, open Brasero, click Video DVD, drag and drop the video you want as a DVD, click burn and done.   but every file i drag and drop it says its not a valid format
[22:30] <XRS1> so back to openshot  >_<
[22:30] <mapps> =[
[22:30] <Psil0Cybin> wait
[22:30] <Psil0Cybin> a minute
[22:30] <Psil0Cybin> so
[22:31] <Psil0Cybin> i can just drag a .avi file into Brasero with the Video DVD area
[22:31] <Psil0Cybin> ?
[22:31] <Psil0Cybin> but what if i used DeVuVa or what ever its called, could I burn the ISO and it would work as a DVD as well?
[22:31] <Psil0Cybin> because DeVeDe
[22:31] <Psil0Cybin> apparently puts it into an ISO format that is read by DVDS when burned
[22:33] <XRS1> might give it a try. Im also seeing DVDStyler looks like an awesome DVD authoring app (also in the repos)
[22:34] <XRS1> just tried it out. it accepted my .AVI file and was having me set up DVD menus and chapters, like a real DVD
[22:36] <Psil0Cybin> i guess i remember there being an app i used once i dunno why its missing off my computer maybe i uninstalled it it actually let you pick the AVI and show you that it was encoding it etc
[22:36] <Psil0Cybin> i am just scared im going to waste dvd slmao
[22:36] <Psil0Cybin> but ill try Brasero
[22:36] <Psil0Cybin> with just bringing in an .AVI
[22:39] <XRS1> Brasero looked like it was gonna work but wouldn't accept my video files.  DVDStyler did accept my videos
[22:40] <XRS1> DVDStyler is the DVD Authoring app used by Ubuntu Studio for DVD production
[23:15] <argoneus> Hello
[23:15] <argoneus> I am thinking about installing Xubuntu on my laptop
[23:16] <argoneus> My laptop is meant for school, so I need as much battery life as I can get
[23:16] <argoneus> But my laptop uses Intel/AMD hybrid graphics, is there a way to permanently turn the AMD card off in Xubuntu?
[23:16] <argoneus> Since what I've read implies that Linux is bad at handling AMD hybrid graphics
[23:20] <XRS1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[23:20] <argoneus> Yes I know, but Ubuntu != Xubuntu, no?
[23:21] <XRS1> if its got ubuntu in the name, its ubuntu
[23:21] <argoneus> It's more than just the desktop manager, afaik?
[23:21] <argoneus> Well
[23:21] <knome> argoneus, hardware support is the same in ubuntu and xubuntu
[23:21] <argoneus> I've read that Mir is Ubuntu specific and won't work with Xubuntu, is that correct?
[23:21] <argoneus> For example
[23:21] <knome> xubuntu does not run mir in 13.10
[23:21] <rosemball> argoneus, I think that by kernel 3.12 amd+intel hybrid will be all right, but obviously you don't want to wait till there
[23:22] <argoneus> I am actually running Ubuntu 13.04 right now, and I am turning off the discrete GPU with vgaswitcheroo, but that tends to freeze up the system randomly and always after restoring from suspend
[23:22] <knome> argoneus, you can install mir to xubuntu 13.10 though, and it'll run.
[23:22] <argoneus> And I don't know whether that'll be the same with current Xubuntu 13.04
[23:23] <argoneus> It might just be my kernel being old
[23:23] <knome> nothing different regarding that in xubuntu
[23:24] <argoneus> So everything I can do with Ubuntu is possible with Xubuntu as well?
[23:24] <knome> yes
[23:24] <XRS1> might pull in a bunch of extra apps when you install, but yes
[23:24] <argoneus> One more thing
[23:24] <argoneus> Is it favorable to install the latest Linux kernel?
[23:25] <rosemball> XRS1, AFAIK vga_switcheroo is in the kernel now
[23:25] <knome> the suggested thing to do is to us the kernel in the release
[23:25] <knome> *use
[23:25] <argoneus> Okay
[23:25] <rosemball> argoneus, if you want a distribution with newer/faster kernel support, you want to look at something else out there
[23:25] <argoneus> So if I use Xubuntu 13.04 with stock everything, then I should be able to disable the discrete card with vgaswitcheroo and suspend/restore without freezing?
[23:26] <rosemball> "without freezing?" not sure about that
[23:26] <rosemball> did you read the link XRS1 posted?
[23:26] <knome> if that doesn't work for you, there are ways to install other kernels, but at that point, we're unable to promise you any support with your system
[23:26] <knome> just a note that newer kernel versions are available as updates, and it's completely fine to install those
[23:26] <argoneus> Yes, I've read that a long time ago
[23:27] <knome> they might or might not fix problems you might have
[23:27] <argoneus> Thing is
[23:27] <argoneus> when I disable my discrete GPU
[23:27] <argoneus> Then switch to another tty, and then try to switch back or to any other tty, it just hardlocks
[23:27] <argoneus> I can't do anything, but apparently it's not frozen, since I am still online in IRC etc.
[23:28] <argoneus> So I don't know what's up with that
[23:28] <knome> sounds like a bug
[23:28] <knome> anyway, off to bed
[23:28] <knome> good luck
[23:28] <argoneus> Thanks, good night
[23:28] <argoneus> I guess my best bet is to just TIAS w/ Xubuntu right now
[23:29] <argoneus> If it doesn't fit my needs, I can just use something else
[23:29] <XRS1> yup
[23:34] <Oskr220> hi I have a question
[23:34] <Oskr220> how can i make vim change the cursor in xfce terminal when changing to insert mode
[23:42] <XRS1> you might try that question in channel: #vim
[23:42] <XRS1> i dont know
[23:43] <theixle> Why does thunar open automatically when I come back from suspend mode?
[23:44] <Oskr220> ok thanks
[23:44] <theixle> fwiw I do have an sd card plugged in
[23:47] <XRS1> you can go into settings -> session and startup -> application auto-start -> remove check-box in Mount Helper
[23:48] <XRS1> that should stop the SD card from popping up when you resume
[23:48] <theixle> Ah, thanks XRS1
[23:49] <XRS1> might require a restart to apply
[23:50] <theixle> hrm, it wasn't checked
[23:50] <XRS1> must have something to do with USB then
[23:54]  * XRS1 is looking into possible causes
[23:57] <XRS1> does this sound familiar at all?:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1129137