[10:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Krita at least draws something
[10:20] <soee> smartboyhw, hows the exam ?
[10:21] <smartboyhw> soee, 1. That's a test-.- 2. It's good, except the bonus question which everybody got it wrong except one person (that guy got the best academic results)
[10:21] <soee> ;]
[10:21] <soee> good to hear :)
[10:21] <smartboyhw> soee, it's a simple one
[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:17] <BluesKaj> soee, ~/.kde/share/config/krunnerrc , then you can edit the line under [PlasmaRunnerManager]
[12:17] <soee> BluesKaj, let me check
[12:18] <BluesKaj> soee, the Launchcounts line 
[12:19] <soee> BluesKaj, what is this number before some entry
[12:19] <soee> 4 services_netbeans-7.3 Beta 2.desktop
[12:21] <soee> maybe hits counter
[12:22] <soee> * how can i reload krunner ?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> alt_F2 , or right click on the desktop . choose run command
[12:25] <soee> BluesKaj, i removed old netbeans related entries, killed and started krunner again, but still have old entries on the list 
[12:25] <BluesKaj> err al+F2
[12:25] <BluesKaj> soee, did yo save the file after editing ?
[12:25] <soee> yes
[12:26] <soee> the only change is that the item i left in this files
[12:26] <soee> now shows up as first on the list
[12:29] <Tm_T> http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/09/12/introducing-the-qt-webengine/
[12:29] <BluesKaj> soee, then maybe I'm mistaken , perhaps that file can't be edited the way I thought 
[12:30] <soee> ok thanks anyway Blizzz 
[12:30] <soee> BluesKaj, ^^
[12:31] <apachelogger> the new qt: now with a browser inside
[12:31] <apachelogger> on the plus side there's hope for rekonq after all :P
[12:32] <mikhas> strange
[12:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p9d2b2654/
[12:33] <jussi> apachelogger: yeah, "hope" :P
[12:33] <BluesKaj> chromium still doesn't integrate well with kde settings in some respects , Qt or no
[12:33] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I was wondering if I should use some time to do KHTML hacking q-:
[12:33] <apachelogger> to get best libdvdcsss experience I guess le key should be added to the whitelist and le website should say in super bold letters "sudo add-apt-repsitory 'deb ...'"
[12:34] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I know a person that picked up on that like half a year ago :P
[12:34] <apachelogger> I do not know why, I am sure he had reasons
[12:34] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ooh great, I've been too busy for it
[12:34] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: such as?
[12:34] <apachelogger> Tm_T: delegate ^^
[12:34] <jussi> you know,  I wish there was some keyboard shortcut that would bring me directly to the source of the last notification (ie. the same as if the view button was pressed)
[12:35] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ah, but it's stuff I want to do myself (;
[12:35] <apachelogger> jussi: think that would have to be set via quassel
[12:35] <jussi> apachelogger: Im not just talking about quassel though
[12:36] <jussi> and it should be global
[12:36] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, the tab fonts are hard coded and can't be changed to make them readable on a large monitor, that my biggest peeve 
[12:36] <soee> BluesKaj, i have removed also old file sin .local/share/applications now it looks liek old stuff is removed
[12:36] <jussi> so it works whereever
[12:36] <apachelogger> jussi: impossibru
[12:36] <jussi> apachelogger: why? 
[12:36] <BluesKaj> soee, let me check
[12:36] <apachelogger> say you have a key combo (which is likely) while you are trying to use that no new notifications need to get focus
[12:37] <apachelogger> so say you have CTRL+F1 while CTRL is pressed no notification must ever be displayed
[12:37] <apachelogger> otherwise there comes a notification with button "wanna delete /" and kaboom
[12:37] <jussi> hrr
[12:38] <BluesKaj> soee, I don't see anything related to krunner there 
[12:38] <jussi> can it just be applied to certain applications? 
[12:38] <apachelogger> (on a semi-related note a noticiation can have n (possibly <=2) buttons, and which button does what is not exactly specified as such)
[12:38] <apachelogger> so if you had F1 and F2 assigned it could be that F1 is reply in quassel and F2 is dicsard and in KTP is the other way around
[12:38] <jussi> mind, in ancase the view button doesnt work half the time anyway
[12:39] <apachelogger> not the biggest of issues that is, but it just highlights insufficiencies ^^
[12:39] <soee> BluesKaj, i had old netbeans v. XX .desktop files and i rmeoved them, than krunner restart
[12:39] <BluesKaj> soee, ok 
[12:39] <apachelogger> jussi: I don't think applying for certain apps would make much sense either
[12:39] <apachelogger> would be confusing IMO
[12:40] <apachelogger> iff we had a message-indicator it would be slightly different though :P
[12:40] <jussi> ...
[12:40] <apachelogger> doesn't solve the timing problem though
[12:41] <apachelogger> it'd still be annoying if you hit CTRL+F1 and ktp comes up rather than quassel
[12:41] <apachelogger> might just as well have clicked then ^^
[12:41] <apachelogger> so in conculsion I believe the experience will be better if that is handled by the applications rather than globally
[12:41] <jussi> sigh...
[12:42] <jussi> why dont we have messaging menu anyway? 
[12:42] <jussi> :P
[12:42] <apachelogger> that you will have to ask d_ed who is conveniently enough hiding
[12:42] <jussi> heh
[12:42] <smartboyhw> heh heh
[12:43] <apachelogger> jussi: #kde-devel
[12:43] <jussi> nih? :P :P 
[12:43] <apachelogger> not sure if the ktp people ever thought about it tho
[12:43] <apachelogger> that being said if we had to get a menu I'd imagine this to be part of KTP what with KTP being the messaging hub
[12:43] <apachelogger> ah d_ed_!
[12:44] <apachelogger> jussi wanted to harass you
[12:44] <jussi> ambush! :D
[12:44]  * jussi hugs d_ed_
[12:44] <d_ed_> ooh, I like that kind of ambush
[12:45] <jussi> d_ed_: we were just having a conversation about having a global shortcut to activate unread messages
[12:45] <jussi> which raised the question...
[12:45] <jussi> [15:42:07] <jussi> why dont we have messaging menu anyway? 
[12:45] <d_ed_> what's a messaging menu?
[12:46] <jussi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu
[12:46] <shadeslayer> \o
[12:46] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, o/
[12:46] <jussi> heya shadeslayer
[12:47] <d_ed_> shadeslayer: hola!
[12:47] <shadeslayer> hola indeed
[12:47] <jussi> shadeslayer: aaah yes, how is spain? 
[12:47] <jussi> warm enough for you?
[12:47] <shadeslayer> it was wet when I arrived
[12:48] <apachelogger> com estas?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> probably from being too excited
[12:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, too excited? When did you arrive at Spain? -.-
[12:48] <smartboyhw> The time factor will make sense
[12:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think it's 'como estas"
[12:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and I'm just a bit tired
[12:49] <d_ed_> so anyway, on topic: there was some sort of plasmoid - that worked
[12:49] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I don't think you got the sexual innuendo xD
[12:49] <d_ed_> it showed an envelope in the systray when you had a new message
[12:49] <d_ed_> the problem was - so did we
[12:49] <shadeslayer> or maybe no one did
[12:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, uh hum, I thought you are talking about US Open -.-
[12:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sez who?
[12:49] <d_ed_> and we couldn't remove it as we needed it for other distros
[12:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sez the site I am learning Spainish from
[12:49] <shadeslayer> as well as Google
[12:50] <apachelogger> I am reasonable certain in cataln it's com
[12:50] <apachelogger> afiestas: halp
[12:50] <afiestas> apachelogger: ?
[12:50] <apachelogger> d_ed_: which is why I think ktp needs to pick up on that and integrate the mailz and ircs and stuff
[12:50] <apachelogger> afiestas: is it como estas or com estas
[12:51] <jussi> d_ed_: ahh interesting
[12:51] <afiestas> http://translate.google.com/#en/es/how%20are%20you
[12:51] <jussi> d_ed_: could you not just have on/off switch? or is it too much work to maintain?
[12:51] <afiestas> just add the missing ? at the end
[12:51] <afiestas> d_ed_: queso !
[12:51] <d_ed_> yeah, I think at the time, we were coming up to 0.5 our first reelase in Kubuntu
[12:52] <d_ed_> queso fiesta!
[12:52] <d_ed_> and there were time constraints
[12:52] <apachelogger> afiestas: in catalan as well?
[12:52] <afiestas> d_ed_: fiesta de queso !
[12:52]  * smartboyhw needs to invent a plugin to translate anything non-English into English
[12:52] <d_ed_> if you could make it so your plasmoid reported on dbus whether it existed or not
[12:52] <d_ed_> we could make it work
[12:52] <afiestas> apachelogger: http://translate.google.com/#en/ca/how%20are%20you 
[12:52] <d_ed_> I can give you code for that
[12:52] <afiestas> missing ? as well
[12:52] <afiestas> but we don't have opening ¿
[12:52] <apachelogger> d_ed_: without the plasmoid thing from us
[12:52] <apachelogger> which is unmaintained crud
[12:52] <apachelogger> I want an upstream solution for this
[12:53] <apachelogger> kmail should integrate with ktp's presence plasmoid
[12:53] <apachelogger> and so should the konversation
[12:53] <apachelogger> so I have one place to go when I want to talk with mister party
[12:53] <afiestas> apoi: mck182_ and I wanted to work on this
[12:53] <afiestas> then d_ed_ came and say "This is going to be bad"
[12:53] <jussi> apachelogger: i like thatg idea
[12:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see, my catalan is better than yours
[12:53] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[12:53] <afiestas> so we stop :p
[12:54] <d_ed_> I'm sure that's exactly what happened
[12:54] <apachelogger> d_ed_ doesn't say bad
[12:54] <afiestas> d_ed_: it is!
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm learning spainish not catalan, and the sentence is almost similar so I thought you were saying that in spainish
[12:54] <apachelogger> not a posh enough word
[12:54] <afiestas> well yeah he said it in the british way you know
[12:54] <afiestas> http://bridgesandtangents.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/english1.jpg
[12:54] <apachelogger> there ya have it
[12:55] <afiestas> I almost agree on doing this...
[12:55] <apachelogger> xD
[12:55] <afiestas> I only have a few minor comments on it
[12:55] <jussi> d_ed_: ok, so to sum up, do you have a way forward that you would like? 
[12:55] <afiestas> d_ed_: that's closer to what happened, no? :p
[12:55] <d_ed_> I was translating!
[12:55] <d_ed_> afiestas: seriously though, I do vaguely remember this
[12:55] <mck182_> I do not.
[12:56] <mck182_> I remember we wanted to have some presence thinggy
[12:56] <mck182_> but for messages....?
[12:56] <d_ed_> afiestas: I think I said we need to focus on getting libkpeople done before taking on new projects
[12:56] <afiestas> d_ed_: nah, you hell this global pressence thing was going to open the gates of hell
[12:56] <afiestas> but we did not stop working on it because of that, we just stop
[12:56] <afiestas> apol did some code though
[12:56] <apol> I did work on it for some hours though
[12:57] <apol> yep x
[12:57] <apol> xD
[12:57]  * apol opens the not-so-quickgit
[12:57] <apachelogger> apol's $HOME contains hell.cpp
[12:57] <d_ed_> afiestas: since when do you ever listen to me anyway?
[12:57] <d_ed_> :)
[12:57] <apachelogger> slowgit \o/
[12:57] <apol> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fapol%2Fuserpresence.git
[12:57] <jussi> d_ed_: everyone listens to you... 
[12:57] <afiestas> d_ed_: I always listen to you! I love your accent it is dogs bollocks
[12:57]  * apachelogger wonders what he was doing before musing on a browser in the browser
[12:57] <afiestas> :p
[12:58] <afiestas> sorry
[12:58] <d_ed_> I'm impressed
[12:58] <afiestas> your *lack* of accent
[12:58] <apachelogger> now you have to say "pardon my french"
[12:58] <jussi> afiestas: with the greatest respect, you got that all wrong  :D
[12:58] <jussi> :P
[12:58] <mck182_> shadeslayer: what was that command line thing for viewing cups things?
[12:58]  * jussi hugs afiestas
[12:59]  * d_ed_ hugs too
[12:59] <shadeslayer> d_ed_: I don't think you can wrap your arms around the both of them
[13:00] <shadeslayer> mck182_: I just check the cups error log 
[13:00] <mck182_> ah right
[13:00]  * mck182_ enables logging
[13:00] <shadeslayer> http://localhost:631/admin
[13:00]  * apachelogger insults everyone who contributes to hugging
[13:00] <shadeslayer> "Save debugging information for troubleshooting"
[13:00] <shadeslayer> then view error log
[13:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on the other hand d_ed_ has freakishly long arms
[13:01] <d_ed_> wtf!
[13:01] <d_ed_> where did that come from
[13:01] <d_ed_> they're standard sized!
[13:01] <jussi> insults...
[13:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think they're standard sized for a brit
[13:02] <jussi> see now, we shat speak about apachelogger's weirdly strange accent...
[13:02] <apachelogger> nonono
[13:02] <shadeslayer> shat? lol
[13:02] <apachelogger> we should talk about how I write en_US but speak at_UK
[13:03] <apachelogger> because I can, that's why
[13:03] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[13:03]  * apachelogger scuttles off to find moar coffee
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Anyone can think of why we didn't package https://bitbucket.org/cyrille/cauchy ?
[13:34] <smartboyhw> (The last unpackaged build-dep of calligra
[13:34] <smartboyhw> License issues?
[13:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it wasn't released when last I looked
[13:34] <Riddell> so cyrille suggested to wait
[13:34] <Riddell> yeah still no tar
[13:34] <smartboyhw> -.-
[13:35] <smartboyhw> It's 7 months without development
[13:35] <Riddell> you can ask him again if he thinks it's ready or not but then do we want it after FF if upstream advise against?
[13:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, if upstream advises against, certainly not
[13:54] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, CyrilleB thinks it's ready and he will make a release soon.
[14:05] <smartboyhw> But now I'm confused with the 4 COPYRIGHT files in there
[14:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah he said he'd make a release soon last time I asked :)
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, he actually made one;P
[14:16] <smartboyhw> 0.9.0 is now released
[14:16] <Riddell> ah hah, you must be better at poking than me :)
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hell, I'm getting 3 versioned .so files, and I need to make 10 packages-.-
[14:17] <Riddell> uh oh
[14:40] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newpackage cauchy 0.9.0
[14:40] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1224514
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm getting weird stuff here
[14:49] <smartboyhw> The so files are like *.so.0.0
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Instead of .0
[14:55] <mikhas> did someone release a version 0.0? ;-)
[14:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: consider this a test of your packaging skills :)
[14:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: pass this and you'll fly by tomorrow :)
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you want me to patch it, or?
[14:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: probably he set that manually in a cmake file? what's the SONAME it ends up with?
[14:57] <Riddell> no don't patch it, it shouldn't be a problem
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wait, dealing with install files
[14:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's the full file name?
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, libCauchy.so.0.0
[14:57] <smartboyhw> libCauchy.so.0.9.13
[14:57] <smartboyhw> libCauchy.so.0
[14:58] <smartboyhw> *oops, libCauchy.so
[14:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: and what's the soname?  readelf -a foo | grep SONAME
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, as I said, dealing with install files--
[14:58] <smartboyhw> -.-
[14:59] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you can't deal with the install files until you know what the package should be called
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I know, but can rename them later
[15:00]  * yofel notes that SONAMES don't have to be a single number
[15:00] <yofel> erm, SOVERSION
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, [libCauchy.so.0.0]
[15:01] <smartboyhw> (SONAME)
[15:01] <yofel> so, package name is?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> I find this weird design
[15:01] <smartboyhw> yofel, .0.0
[15:01] <yofel> erm, FULL package name
[15:01] <smartboyhw> yofel, libcauchy0.0
[15:01] <smartboyhw> -.-
[15:01] <yofel> ack
[15:01] <yofel> it's not weird design at all, just unusual
[15:02] <yofel> attica does the same
[15:05] <smartboyhw> phew, renaming work complete
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Now, have to work out the descriptions
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, am confused: Added dependencies as according to http://lintian.debian.org/tags/ruby-script-but-no-ruby-dep.html and it still shows up
[15:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, ^
[15:20] <yofel> I can't say anything more than lintian without seeing what you did and the actual script
[15:21] <smartboyhw> yofel, http://paste.kde.org/p8d00ee24/
[15:22] <smartboyhw> http://paste.kde.org/p5d8e572b/
[15:22] <smartboyhw> (The binary is included in the cauchy package)
[15:22] <smartboyhw> E: cauchy: ruby-script-but-no-ruby-dep usr/bin/cauchymake
[15:25] <yofel> hm, no idea
[15:25] <apachelogger> did you rebuild the binary? :P
[15:26] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, that happened always
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Whenever I rebuild
[15:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you do a clean rebuild?
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, clean rebuilding
[15:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well ignore for now we'll work it out later
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK-.-
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Found the problem
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Maybe?
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Yes
[15:36] <smartboyhw> I misspelt interpreter-.-
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I can't finish the package today. Still thinking what description should it have (no README, no introduction on web, etc.)
[16:03] <Riddell> smartboyhw: might be best to just ask cyrille directly, I've had much the same issues with his other calligra dependencies
[16:25] <jmux> Seems that private application icons in Precise KDE 4.11.1 are broken. They worked with Precise 4.11.0 and they work in Raring 4.11.1. I see missing icons in kolourpaint, ksudoku, digikam, ... is this just a local problem (to our installations)?
[16:25] <Riddell> jmux: hmm that's a known issue which we patched
[16:26] <Riddell> but maybe I only patched raring
[16:26] <Riddell> jmux: yeah I did, I'll put it into precise and quantal too
[16:27] <jmux> Riddell: thanks.
[16:27] <yofel> Riddell: quantal is still in staging so please upload it there
[16:28] <Riddell> gotcha yofel 
[16:36] <Riddell> jmux: 4.11.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04.1~ppa3 uploaded to kubuntu-ppa/backports for precise
[16:39] <Riddell> and staging for quantal
[16:58] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:58] <Quintasan> seems like I can cook after all