[04:08] <Dan9550> hi
[09:02] <Andy80> hi guys
[09:02] <Andy80> do you know how to remove the keyboard layout indicator from the GNOME top-right bar? Thanks
[09:10] <u-k-i-t> The 'en1' symbol?
[09:13] <u-k-i-t> If it is that symbol that you want rid of. Click on it and click on it's settings. Go to the 'Input Sources' tab and remove the layout you don't want. I get it with 13.10 and have to remove a US one.
[09:14] <Andy80> u-k-i-t, yeah it
[09:14] <Andy80> let me try...
[09:15] <Andy80> yep :)
[09:15] <u-k-i-t> Sorted :-)
[09:15] <Andy80> thanks!
[09:16]  * u-k-i-t goes back to trying to reproduce a bug. Back later.
[14:49] <ewet> hi, does the gnome activities thing honor mimeapps.list? because if I open an opden document template in nautilus it's starting LibreOffice but if I open it in the activities (search) it opens up in "Documents"
[16:02] <Andy80> what do I have to install/enable to have file/documents search in GNOME (is it the same textbox that I use to launch and application?)
[16:07] <SavageWolf> Uh, where would I report bugs for things in the gnome3-staging PPA?
[16:09] <SavageWolf> ... And it says in the PPA description... >_<
[16:12] <Andy80> I've seen that Search stuff is enabled in Settings but I cannot see anything when I search...
[17:06] <gonyere> jbicha ping
[17:10] <jbicha> gonyere: hi
[17:12] <gonyere> hey there
[17:12] <gonyere> so, i'm trying to burn the ubuntu gnome 13.10 beta to a usb stick and it seems to go ok
[17:12] <gonyere> but when i go to boot off if it i get 'isolinux.bin missing or corrupted'
[17:13] <gonyere> i've now downloaded twice... any ideas</
[17:13] <jbicha> how are you getting the image to the usb stick?
[17:14] <gonyere> command line - dd if="" of""
[17:19] <jbicha> I don't know then, usb booting doesn't work in too many cases :(
[17:44] <neosergio> gonyere, what application are you using to burn the image into usb stick?
[17:46] <gonyere> i tried with the command line and with opensuse's  software image studio
[17:47] <gonyere> oh and with netbootin
[17:48] <gonyere> i finally broke down an used a dvd and it worked, i just don't get why all of a sudden usb sticks won't...
[17:48] <neosergio> That's probably because of image studio or netbootin
[17:49] <gonyere> yeah but it gave the same error with dd if="/home/emily/downloads/file.iso" of=/dev/sdb1
[17:49] <gonyere> just wierd
[17:50] <neosergio> yep that's weird
[17:50] <neosergio> but probably related to this knowed issues https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[17:51] <neosergio> *known
[17:53] <gonyere> interesting... the wierdest thing of all is that i've used these usb sticks to do this before... and now all of a sudden its a no-go
[17:57] <snwh> jbicha, you were right, I got used to the waterdrop after all ;)
[19:27] <ikbenben> hi everyone.
[19:31] <ikbenben> the other day i discovered, thanks to bjsnider, that i was running the ricotz ppa version of gnome3 and it was causing me issues. I ended up running ppa-purge to get rid of that ppa and packages were downgraded
[19:31] <ikbenben> however i think i still have some ricotz packages installed
[19:32] <ikbenben> if i run "dpkg -l | grep ricotz | wc -l" i get 21 packages
[19:32] <ikbenben> they are related to wayland and pango
[19:32] <ikbenben> for the most part
[19:32] <bjsnider> sounds like maybe xorg-edgers
[19:32] <ikbenben> what is the best way to clean these up
[19:32] <bjsnider> did you have xorg-edgers ppa at some point?
[19:33] <ikbenben> don't recall ..looking at history now
[19:34] <ikbenben> doesn't look like it
[19:34] <ikbenben> but i still see ricotz-testing-raring.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[19:35] <bjsnider> he's got pango and wayland
[19:36] <ikbenben> the file is empty though..no ppa repositories defined in it
[19:36] <bjsnider> what happens if you try to purge them?
[19:36] <ikbenben> through apt-get?
[19:37] <ikbenben> is wayland being used on the gnome3 ppa?
[19:37] <ikbenben> or is it still using xorg
[19:37] <bjsnider> xorg
[19:39] <ikbenben> if i try to run "sudo apt-get purge libwayland-client0" it wants to remove 315 packages..some of which i'm pretty sure i don't want removed
[19:43] <bjsnider> guess you'll have to add the ppa again and ppa-purge it again
[19:43] <ikbenben> the ricotz one?
[19:46] <bjsnider> yes
[19:48] <ikbenben> will give it a go...i do see it is trying to download wayland but an error is happening
[19:48] <ikbenben> trying to see if i can sort it
[19:50] <ikbenben> its trying to downgrade to libwayland0_1.0.5-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb but i'm guessing that does not exist
[19:50] <ikbenben> so it fails
[19:51] <bjsnider> what's the error?
[19:52] <ikbenben> Preparing to replace libwayland0:amd64 1.2.0-0ubuntu1~13.04~ricotz0 (using .../libwayland0_1.0.5-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...
[19:52] <ikbenben> Unpacking replacement libwayland0:amd64 ...
[19:52] <ikbenben> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libwayland0_1.0.5-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[19:52] <ikbenben>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libwayland-cursor.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libwayland-cursor0:amd64 1.2.0-0ubuntu1~13.04~ricotz0
[19:52] <ikbenben> No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already
[19:52] <ikbenben>                                                               Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:52] <ikbenben>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libwayland0_1.0.5-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[19:52] <ikbenben> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:52] <ikbenben> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[19:52] <bjsnider> ok, use pastebin please
[19:52] <bjsnider> don't spam that stuff in the channel
[19:52] <ikbenben> usually i don't go for support...pastebin.com?
[19:53] <bjsnider> that's one
[19:53] <ikbenben> http://pastebin.com/MKDuxZxi
[19:55] <bjsnider> the packaging is different between the old wayland and the new one
[19:56] <bjsnider> is it possible to remove libwayland-cursor0?
[19:56] <bjsnider> probably not
[19:56] <bjsnider> try just removing everything with wayland in the name
[19:56] <ikbenben> nope...314 packages to be removed
[19:57] <ikbenben> unity packages, libmesa, nautilus, rhythmbox, gnome packages...
[19:57] <ikbenben> don't think i want to do that
[19:58] <bjsnider> cursor0 can't be removed either?
[19:58] <ikbenben> nope..314 packages depending on it
[19:58] <bjsnider> well, this might not be too bad
[19:58] <bjsnider> you can put them back immediately
[19:59] <bjsnider> so if you purge the ppa and then reinstall ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-desktop you'll probably be ok
[19:59] <bjsnider> depending on which 314 packages
[19:59] <ikbenben> not sure i want to risk that on my prod machine..maybe later when not so busy :)
[20:00] <ikbenben> however, thinking about this...if wayland is not being used then i'm not sure it matters that it is still installed...pango is the same i think..it is used by wayland?
[20:00] <ikbenben> if the packages aren't being used the there isn't any harm leaving htem
[20:00] <ikbenben> them
[20:01] <ikbenben> thoughts?
[20:01] <bjsnider> the ppa carries a bunch of warnings about breakage and needing to be an expert and so forth
[20:02] <ikbenben> well. i think i'm pretty good to be honest. i've been rocking linux for 20+ years. used to do gentoo a lot. usually i search through forums to get my answers but gnome was pointing me to this irc so thought i would give it a try
[20:02] <ikbenben> the ricotz ppa has been purged
[20:02] <ikbenben> so it is not being used in upgrades anymore
[20:03] <ikbenben> there are just a few stray packages
[20:03] <ikbenben> but i don't think the system is using them
[20:03] <ikbenben> so i can leave them for now
[20:03] <bjsnider> i dunno, which packages other than pango and wayland?
[20:04] <ikbenben> libmutter which looks to be a window manager
[20:04] <bjsnider> which version of libmutter?
[20:04] <ikbenben> gir ; libgjs ; libmozjs
[20:05] <ikbenben> 3.9.91+git20130904.f96dc97c-0ubuntu1~13.04~ricotz0
[20:05] <bjsnider> i'm glad that's not my production machine
[20:06] <ikbenben> thanks :)
[20:06] <ikbenben> lol
[20:06] <bjsnider> you've got a mixture of 3.6, 3.8, and 3.10pre
[20:06] <bjsnider> i'm amazed it's running
[20:06] <ikbenben> well i have been using unity the past 2 days while at work
[20:07] <ikbenben> thought i would look at the gnome tonight again
[20:07] <ikbenben> but it seems to be running fine
[20:07] <ikbenben> i'll leave it for now...see how it goes
[20:08] <ikbenben> thank you for your help
[20:08] <ikbenben> is there a way of recognizing your effort?
[20:12] <u-k-i-t> Hi all sorry I missed this one from earlier - was asleep. :-) For gonyere if he returns and all. I always boot from usb and unlike what was said it should work all the time / every time. For instructions on how to burn to usb see: https://googledrive.com/host/0BxxMpTV-rQ8DcjdGWEJpUmsyc28/ukit-tut-0000001.pdf There is a bug that hits some including me at present on 13.10 iso images which fails boot on some hardwa
[20:12] <u-k-i-t> re ... bug 1212977
[20:29] <SavageWolf> Anyone here using the new super up to date next and staging PPAs?
[20:33] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: You threw out in conversation an sru bug 1064584. I have looked at it. I have tried to reproduce on real hardware and vm since yesterday or raring. Given the systems load and uptime with a bit of other running in between and no joy. Sorry. :-(
[20:34] <u-k-i-t> s/or/on
[20:35] <u-k-i-t> Can't really test the fix when I can't reproduce.
[20:45] <u-k-i-t> Off for a few pints and a bite to eat. bbl.
[22:05] <darkxst> jbicha, can you make Bug 1223657 public
[22:10] <u-k-i-t> darkxst: Can you throw a link to the report as the launchpad says the bug does not exist?
[22:10] <darkxst> u-k-i-t, that is because its marked as private
[22:11] <jbicha> bug 1223657
[22:11] <u-k-i-t> darkxst: Go to too it yorself adnd on the right near the top you can mark it as public.
[22:11] <u-k-i-t> s/typos. :-)
[22:12] <u-k-i-t> You can do it yourself.
[22:13] <u-k-i-t> Now public. ;-)
[22:13] <jbicha> that's because it's a public bug now
[22:15] <u-k-i-t> Hi jbicha. I am sorry about the bug you mentioned yesterday (back read). Just can'r reproduce.
[22:16] <u-k-i-t> s/can'r/can't
[22:20] <u-k-i-t> Hmm... Can we get rid of xterm and xdiagnose out of the default install?
[22:21] <darkxst> u-k-i-t, I don't have access!
[22:21] <u-k-i-t> darkxst: No worries. Already sorted.
[22:23] <jbicha> we do hide xterm by default
[22:24] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: Here is the issue. I decide what I or others want. Hiding is not good and adds to the install image. Lets drop the thing and have done with it?
[22:27] <jbicha> I believe it's necessary for minimal functionality if X fails to start
[22:28] <jbicha> since we hide xterm it doesn't hurt any one
[22:30] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: Tell me xterm's advantages for x fails over a basic terminal or other?
[22:31] <jbicha> well you can't run gnome-terminal in that situation
[22:32] <u-k-i-t> That is what busybox and drop backs are for.
[22:33] <u-k-i-t> The whole xterm thing is an ubuntu maybe and not needed.
[22:34] <jbicha> but what does it hurt to have term installed?
[22:38] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: It hurts because it is not needed and people don't want it. My main dev box is 6 core AMD with 12 Gb RAM and a primary hdd of a sata 3 of 64Gb with a secondary 500 Gb hdd. I look a size all the time on purpose for my customers. I don't mind things installed if useful to me and them but hate what's not.
[22:40] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: I am of an age that used systems that were smaller and were limited and don't like bloat. ;-)
[22:41] <jbicha> well in that case you'll be happy to see that UG 13.10 is 80MB smaller than 13.04 was
[22:41] <jbicha> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.04/release/
[22:41] <jbicha> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[22:42] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: I know. I install the daily images and love the way ubuntu-gnome is going.
[22:43] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: I sync my images daily with zsync at 1800 hours via cron. ;-)
[22:44] <jbicha> but xterm is like 1 MB
[22:45] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: And? I still don't want it. Maybe me alone on this one but I have not used it in years so should not be default installed. I can pull it in if needed.
[22:47] <u-k-i-t> This is a canonical thing of deciding what I want. They install stuff we don't need. Kubuntu is stripping this kind of stuff.
[22:49] <darkxst> u-k-i-t, gnome-terminal won't run if dbus session is missing
[22:49] <jbicha> Ubuntu has always been about having decisive defaults
[22:49] <u-k-i-t> One thing to look at that is annoying me. bug 1223199
[22:50] <jbicha> these days you can now uninstall xterm; it's not a hard dependency
[22:50] <u-k-i-t> darkxst: Not a clue what your on about.
[22:50] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: I know that I purge it first run after install.
[22:51] <jbicha> ok, but you're asking that we break something because you want to skip doing one thing post-install
[22:52] <u-k-i-t> jbicha: No. I am asking for a drop to make the install smaller and allow people to install if needed only.
[22:53] <jbicha> removing xterm definitely does not make the install smoother and people that need xterm do not know that it exists
[22:54] <u-k-i-t> I said smaller not smoother. Those who do not know it exists would never use then if hidden as you said. So why bother as those who know will easlily do the apt-get ibstall of it?
[22:55] <u-k-i-t> s/ibstall/install
[22:55] <jbicha> xterm is part of a fallback feature so that the computer is still minimally usable even when X doesn't start
[22:55] <jbicha> users don't need to worry about the technical details of how that feature works
[22:57] <u-k-i-t> Who told you that. Because that is rubbish.
[23:09] <u-k-i-t> Just going to push some rhythmbox fixes. bbl.
[23:32] <bjsnider> xterm is what is seen during fallback? didn't know that
[23:36] <u-k-i-t> bjsnider: No it's not. On X death you drop back but not to xterm. I can prove that on an old box I have a system that dies with graphics driver issues.
[23:37] <bjsnider> what is it then?
[23:37] <bjsnider> it's some kind of terminal
[23:37] <u-k-i-t> It's an old intel in built. I have a bug against it. I may boot it later.
[23:38] <bjsnider> no, i mean what is it falling back to if not xterm?
[23:38] <u-k-i-t> bjsnider: I always drops back to bash / initramfs busybox.
[23:39] <bjsnider> using a distro since they introduced fallback?
[23:41] <u-k-i-t> I run redhat 9 still with own patches. ;-) I also run ubuntu / kubuntu / ubuntu gnome stables and devs. ;-)
[23:43] <u-k-i-t> bjsnider: I swap out the redhat system this month to an ubuntu server. Customers can be tight and wait. :-D
[23:49] <u-k-i-t> Should I mention how many versions of debian I run or is the list enough?
[23:52] <bjsnider> it's not what i was asking
[23:52] <bjsnider> but you can keep going if you want
[23:54] <bjsnider> i think graphical fallback mode was introduced with karmic iirc
[23:54] <bjsnider> so as long as you're using a newer ubuntu than that you can check if xterm is used for it
[23:59] <u-k-i-t> bjsnider: I ask for essentially a situation of failure that would throw back an execute xterm and I could pid verify that. Bet you you lot can't?