[00:00] <cjwatson> Bug 1219695 - the FFe's approved but I believe it was waiting for there to be a testing slot.
[00:00] <cjwatson> I'm only a bystander though.
[00:02] <anders3408> cjwatson: bringup ubuntu to another device issues, when booting, perhaps that something you know ? at least here is a syslog from boot : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094812/
[00:02] <anders3408> no screen
[00:02] <mocknock> Is there an irc channel for Q/A for ubuntu touch? sorry but i have a general question...
[00:03] <mocknock> Ok so i have a question regarding the core system and where it stands when it comes to utilizing the General Processing of GPU? Is OpenCL being used in the Ubuntu Touch code or will the option be provided in SDK? Nexus 10, Galaxy S4 and Note 3 DOES support OpenCL and as it stands, there are more devices to come that are/will use it.
[00:03] <cjwatson> anders3408: no idea
[00:03] <cjwatson> anders3408: me talking here about release process stuff really doesn't indicate I know about device bringup details
[00:04] <mocknock> Also, one of the issues with modern apps is support for multi-core hardware, will this be looked at?
[00:04] <niemeyer> cjwatson: Neat, will follow that, thanks
[00:06] <anders3408> didnt read all you wrote cjwatson :) thats why i asked :)
[00:07] <anders3408> iBotPeaches: any luck getting a syslog ?
[00:07] <anders3408> :)
[00:08] <iBotPeaches> anders3408: its dead, waiting for it to come back to life. its still plugged into laptop
[00:08] <anders3408> iBotPeaches:  define dead ? :)
[00:08] <anders3408> not more power or +
[00:08] <anders3408> ?
[00:08] <iBotPeaches> no power, I let it die whenever I last worked on it
[00:08] <anders3408> ahh :)
[00:09] <anders3408> iBotPeaches:  did you add some find5.conf and rules ?
[00:09] <anders3408> .rules
[00:10] <iBotPeaches> anders3408: I did nothing besides getting to build, so nope
[00:20] <michyprima> anyone could help me? I still need to understand this : "Second, look at apq8064-tabla-snd-card.conf. Rename and copy into your own UCM directory. If you're making a tablet image (that can't make voice calls), you can remove the VoiceCall part (and the corresponding file)."
[00:20] <michyprima> I can't find this file in my tree
[00:20] <michyprima> and I didn't get where to put it anyway
[00:30] <jono> Saviq, hey
[00:30] <jono> are you familiar with a bug where I got locked on the home screen and can't slide to the other scopes?
[00:39] <Anonynimity> hey, I have a question
[00:40] <anders3408> iBotPeaches: so far this is my syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094812/
[00:40] <anders3408> i need to go to sleep now
[00:41] <Anonynimity> how do I port ubuntu touch to a At&t fusion 2 (the easy way)?
[00:41] <anders3408> Anonynimity: there is no such thing as the easy way :)
[00:41] <iBotPeaches> anders3408: kk, i started working on some work. we'll talk tommorrow
[00:42] <anders3408|afk> sure iBotPeaches :)
[00:42] <Anonynimity> well, could you help me with this anders3408?
[00:42] <Anonynimity> please?
[00:42] <iBotPeaches> Anonynimity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[00:42] <Anonynimity> I've read that a million times.
[00:43] <iBotPeaches> then why the hell are you asking how to port
[00:43] <Anonynimity> and it confuses me in some parts
[00:43] <iBotPeaches> that document explains it all, even how to debug your broken builds
[00:43] <Anonynimity> 1) where is the /roomservice.xml file?
[00:44] <iBotPeaches> 1) .repo folder
[00:44] <iBotPeaches> well .repo/local_manifests if we are being exact
[00:44] <Anonynimity> ok.
[00:45] <Anonynimity> what's the mako target?
[00:45] <Anonynimity> brunch doesn't exist on saucy salamander
[00:45] <iBotPeaches> huh
[00:45] <Anonynimity> nor does breakfast
[00:45] <iBotPeaches> you don't really know how to source build do you
[00:46] <Anonynimity> not really, no.
[00:46] <iBotPeaches> those are parts of the CyanogenMod build procedure
[00:46] <Anonynimity> that's why I'm so confused.
[00:46] <iBotPeaches> brunch/breakfast wont be in saucy
[00:46] <Anonynimity> right.... I know this...
[00:46] <grantbow> Anonynimity: there's a link in /topic that gives the code name of Mako as one of the reference hardware devices
[00:46] <Anonynimity> Ok,
[00:46] <grantbow> The Nexus Status link
[00:46] <iBotPeaches> Anonynimity: does your device have cm
[00:47] <Anonynimity> yes
[00:48] <iBotPeaches> whats its codename
[00:48] <Anonynimity> my device's code name or the CM I'm running?
[00:48] <iBotPeaches> device
[00:49] <Anonynimity> idk... it's a huawei fusion 2, or an att fusion 2, or a huawei  u8665
[00:49] <iBotPeaches> Anonynimity: I don't remember CM ever taking a Huawei device official
[00:49] <iBotPeaches> Are you sure you have OFFICIAL cm
[00:49] <Anonynimity> pretty sure
[00:50] <iBotPeaches> well I don't see it in the github, so you'll have to make a device tree (or find one)
[00:50] <iBotPeaches> and then manually add it to roomservice, since brunch won't find your device
[00:51] <Anonynimity> how do I make a device tree in github?
[00:51] <iBotPeaches> Your on your own mate. You have a lot to learn
[00:53] <Anonynimity> so do I create a repo or fork a repo?
[01:21] <mhall119> bzoltan: awake this early?
[01:52] <TheMuso> What is the current recommended way to unlock the SIM pin on a nex su4? Command-line is ok if required.
[02:24] <TheMuso> nvm worked it out.
[03:28] <bzoltan1> mhall119:  I am active now :) 4:21 am is a bit early even for me
[03:38] <Anonynimity> in theory wouldn't the ubuntu image automatically resize the screen based on the phone?
[03:38] <Anonynimity> *Phone's screen size?
[04:11] <AskUbuntu> How can I get run Ubuntu Desktop on my Galaxy Nexus? | http://askubuntu.com/q/344488
[05:42] <seokjae> Hi all
[05:42] <seokjae> Is there anyone who know ALSA configureation for Nexus4?
[05:43] <seokjae> I want to make aplay working
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <WebbyIT> Hi all, I'm installing Ubuntu Touch on Nexus4 for the first time. To developement of core apps, which is the best image?
[08:20] <WebbyIT> cdimage-touch|cdimage-legacy|ubuntu-system
[08:25] <vinaykrsharma> Hello, I've installed Qt Ubuntu SDK as described here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/#step-get-toolkit, but when I'm trying to create a new project for Ubuntu -> Simple Touch UI then I'm unable to find that type.
[08:25] <vinaykrsharma> What to do? am I forgot to install something!
[08:25] <vinaykrsharma> Help me please
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Video Games Day! :-D
[09:32] <xnox> cjwatson: in theory how would the click/chroot support look like? use-or-create chroot, enter it, exports dpkg-architecture -aarmhf, and auto-invokes a passed command, e.g. cmake & make?
[09:33] <cjwatson> I haven't actually started on it yet but something like that.  I expect a fairly thin wrapper around mk-sbuild and schroot.
[09:33] <cjwatson> "click chroot create", "click chroot run", with some params
[09:34] <cjwatson> Or something like that
[09:37] <xnox> cjwatson: ok. bind-mounting / transferring source code would be nice, in a sensible way. Since cmake by-default prefers separate per-arch build-directory, the original source-code can even remain read-only.
[10:02] <cjwatson> xnox: Well, if it's wrapping schroot, then schroot has sensible bind-mounting by default
[10:03] <cjwatson> Among the reasons I'd rather wrap that than write something new ...
[10:06] <xnox> ok cool.
[10:29] <Laney> mardy: hey, quick Qt/u-s-s question. Do you know if/how I can access a context property set in main() from within PluginManager? QQMlEngine::contextForObject(this)->contextProperty(foo) segfaults ...
[10:36] <WebbyIT> How can I debug a app on phone?
[10:50] <dholbach> Saviq, are we ready to go?
[10:55] <mutantkeyboard> @WebbyIT connect via adb
[10:56] <WebbyIT> mutantkeyboard, ok, and after that? I know how run app on phone, but I need something like qmlprofile to understand why crash
[10:56] <WebbyIT> mutantkeyboard, I cannot reproduce crash on pc
[10:57] <mardy> Laney: sorry, was at lunch
[10:57] <mutantkeyboard> aha, try ssh to a device
[10:57] <mutantkeyboard> and then run qmlscene yourapp and see the result
[10:58] <mutantkeyboard> it should be pretty straightforward
[10:58] <mardy> Laney: it should work, but where do you have that code?
[10:58] <Laney> mardy: PluginManagerPrivate::reload()
[10:58] <mardy> Laney: if it's in the constructor, it might be too early
[10:58] <mutantkeyboard> let me see if I can find you a link with an explanation
[10:59] <mardy> Laney: dunno, but it might be too early (it's called from classBegin())
[11:00] <Laney> mardy: hmm, what do you suggest?
[11:00] <Laney> I'm trying to get the value of an env variable to this code
[11:00] <Laney> also to qml; context properties seemed right
[11:01] <mutantkeyboard> @WebbyIT https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing#Testing_a_ubuntu_touch_application
[11:01] <mutantkeyboard> there are links explaining everything
[11:02] <mardy> Laney: wait, in your line before, do you literally have "this", or "q"?
[11:02] <Laney> tried both
[11:02] <WebbyIT> mutantkeyboard, thanks very much :)
[11:02] <mutantkeyboard> no problem
[11:03] <mardy> Laney: try with "q", and see if moving the call to relead to componentComplete() helps
[11:03] <Laney> well, plugin and q; this isn't type correct
[11:03] <Laney> hmm OK
[11:04] <Laney> nah, still crashes
[11:06] <mardy> Laney: is QQMlEngine::contextForObject(q) null?
[11:08] <Laney> mardy: no it's not, but it still crashes whenever you try to use contextProperty()
[11:11] <mardy> Laney: without your changes, does accessing the property from QML work?
[11:11] <Laney> it's in QML fine
[11:11] <Laney> I tried passing it back as a Q_PROPERTY of PluginManager but that comes in too late of course
[11:15] <mardy> Laney: probably the object isn't fully initialized when you call contextProperty(); can you call it later?
[11:15] <Laney> mardy: Not sure. Let me push what I have (including a workaround of grabbing the environment directly there) and see if you have any idae
[11:16] <Laney> s
[11:21] <Laney> mardy: Grab lp:~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/dynamic-hiding
[11:21] <Laney> See the commented out qDebug() line in plugin-manager.cpp; that makes it crash in the testsuite
[11:21] <Laney> but if you can think of somewhere else I can do this then that's fine
[11:22] <OrokuSaki> Anyone having problems playing mp3's??? I added accept4 to my kernel, and I can play an mp3 with mplayer and pulse just fine in terminal
[11:23] <OrokuSaki> but in the music-app or watching a video.. I get a pulse mutex error
[11:23] <OrokuSaki> no mutex error playing the same mp3 in terminal with pulse started.. plays all the way
[11:23] <OrokuSaki> codec issue?
[11:23] <OrokuSaki> mplayer does not use gstreamer
[11:24] <OrokuSaki> updating =)
[11:28] <popey> OrokuSaki: the music app works here..
[11:29] <OrokuSaki> thanks popey!
[11:29] <OrokuSaki> Sort of =)
[11:29] <popey> heh
[11:31] <OrokuSaki> Anyone notice the small .zip filesize of the latest image built?
[11:31] <OrokuSaki> 288mb?
[11:35] <test_> hi to all
[11:37] <test_> any one is reading ?
[11:39] <popey> test_: of course
[11:39] <mardy> Laney: works fine here :-)
[11:40] <mardy> Laney: the only thing that doesn't work is the unit test, bug just because the PluginManager is instantiated directly (not by the QML engine)
[11:40] <mardy> s/bug/but/
[11:41] <Laney> O RLY
[11:41]  * Laney builds with nocheck
[11:42] <mardy> Laney: yep :-) and QQMlEngine::contextForObject(q) returns NULL in that case, so you can detect whether you are running inside the tests or not
[11:42] <Laney> mardy: huh, true
[11:42] <Laney> I did try with nocheck before but it must have been something else
[11:42] <Laney> mardy: thanks ;-)
[11:43] <Laney> Also, I might have another question for you shortly :P
[11:43] <mardy> Laney: however, I'd suggest a change: move the reload() to componentComplete(), add a showAll Q_PROPERTY to PluginManager and set it from QML
[11:44] <mardy> Laney: because then PluginManager is more easily testable
[11:44] <mardy> Laney: and overall seems cleaner to me :-)
[11:44] <Laney> really?
[11:44] <Laney> feels like more indirection to me
[11:45] <ingo_> Hi
[11:45] <mardy> Laney: true, it's more indirect
[11:45] <ingo_> I am having issues with phablet-flash
[11:46] <ingo_> Version: 1.0+13.10.20130911.2-0ubuntu1
[11:46] <mardy> Laney: but generally you want to alter QObjects' behaviour via properties, not via the QML context
[11:46] <dednick> mzanetti: i cant lock my nexus7...
[11:46] <mardy> Laney: the context is somehow more invisible
[11:46] <Laney> hmm
[11:46] <mzanetti> dednick: huh?
[11:46] <ingo_> phablet-flash: error: unrecognized arguments: -b
[11:46] <mardy> Laney: it would be nice to be able to look at the header file of PluginManager and immediately see what it can do
[11:46] <mzanetti> dednick: just put it on your desk and walk away
[11:46] <dednick> mzanetti: lol, cant turn it off either
[11:46] <mzanetti> come back a minute later
[11:46] <ingo_> when trying to do a fresh bootstrap install on my Galaxy Nexus
[11:47] <dednick> mzanetti: the lock button doesnt even work
[11:47] <mardy> Laney: TBH, using the QML context is no better than using environment variables
[11:47] <mzanetti> dednick: the reporter of the bug says you should wait for it to lock itself
[11:47] <popey> ingo_: whats the full list of parameters you're giving?
[11:48] <dednick> mzanetti: yeh, but it never happened, so i tried to to it manually. didnt work
[11:48] <ingo_> phablet-flash ubuntu-system -b
[11:48] <mzanetti> dednick: hmm... ok.. not sure what's wrong there...
[11:48] <mardy> Laney: if you want the most direct way, then read the environment variable from within the PluginManager, and remove passing it via the context :-)
[11:48] <dednick> nevermind. just did adb reboot. seems to be working now
[11:49] <Laney> mardy: It needs to be available to QML too, otherwise I would do it like that
[11:49] <Laney> unless you mean to /set/ it ino the context from there too
[11:49] <popey> ingo_: yes, ubuntu-system doesn't need -b
[11:49] <popey> ingo_: what documentation suggested it did?
[11:49] <mardy> Laney: yep, when the PluginManager creates the context for the plugins, it could add that variable
[11:50] <ingo_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/331744/error-while-installing-ubuntu-touch/331746#331746
[11:51] <popey> ingo_: fixed, thanks
[11:54] <dednick> mzanetti: works fine for me.
[11:54] <mzanetti> dednick: yeah... for me too
[11:54] <mzanetti> dednick: please comment on that bug that you can't reproduce neither
[11:56] <dednick> mzanetti: done
[11:56] <mzanetti> dednick: thanks
[11:56] <dednick> no worries. good to know nexus 7 image is working again!
[12:00] <dednick> Saviq: should unity8 be installing libhybris as a dep on  desktop?
[12:00] <dednick> and mir
[12:01] <lool> barry: larger update for me today (80M or so, probably multiple days) and had to retry the download a couple of times from the UI, then on the last try it downloaded and rebooted by itself -- weird
[12:08] <oreneeshy> does somebody knows how to set set the default ubuntu background on the phone via dab ?\
[12:08] <oreneeshy> adb
[12:17] <xnox> oreneeshy: well, ubuntu-system-settings application has background plugin, and i think that calls dbus methods to set/change background. So look into that source code. You might be able to use $ dbus-send from the shell to set/change it.
[12:17] <mardy> Laney: so, the goal of exporting the showAllUi to QML is to be able to toggle the visibility of individual components within a plugin?
[12:17] <xnox> (and/or like the terminal app)
[12:17] <Laney> mardy: correct
[12:18] <Laney> people are asking to hide the unfinished stuff by default
[12:18] <Laney> I figured it would be useful for devs to be able to have it though
[12:19] <mardy> Laney: makes sense
[12:20] <mardy> Laney: mmm... why are you setting the property on the root context? isn't it enough if you set it on the PluginManager's context?
[12:21] <Laney> no, wasn't set if I did that
[12:21] <Laney> remove the engine()->rootContext()-> to see that
[12:22] <Laney> not sure why, this context stuff is a bit weird to me :-)
[12:22] <karni> Is it possible to play an mp3 from QML?
[12:23] <karni> ah, prolly found it http://askubuntu.com/questions/236619/playing-sound-with-ubuntu-qml-toolkit-preview
[12:26] <victorp> any one knows why -b is no longer working on phablet-flash?
[12:28] <popey> victorp: it does, if you use cdimage-touch
[12:28] <xnox> victorp: does it work _after_ the image type?
[12:28] <popey> victorp: it's never worked for ubuntu-system
[12:28] <xnox> victorp: phablet-flash <image-type> [image-type options]
[12:29] <victorp> ah that could be it
[12:29] <xnox> victorp: to bootstrap / reflash ubuntu-system image specify to upgrade from revision 0
[12:29] <victorp>  I think I did ubuntu-sustem
[12:29] <xnox> victorp: that should do it "from scratch" (using full image, instead of a delta)
[12:30] <victorp> is downloading recovery now , thanks popey
[12:30] <victorp> the wiki wasnt to clear about that
[12:31] <popey> feel free to edit it ☻
[12:37] <sergiusens> bfiller, you around?
[12:49] <sergiusens> cjwatson, sorry for getting into this (since you might have already discussed), but do you know why the apps don't launch when being preinstalled?
[12:50] <cjwatson> sergiusens: possibly because of bug 1223085
[12:51] <cjwatson> sergiusens: I know what to do for that but I'm attempting to pick actionable pieces out of bug 1065281 first before the OEM team sends black helicopters to my house
[12:54] <sergiusens> cjwatson, yeah, oem team can behave like hasty hobbits :-)
[12:55] <cjwatson> To be fair I've been dragging my feet on this one for the best part of a year ...
[12:57] <sergiusens> cjwatson, fwiw (and jdstrand) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6096915/
[12:57] <bfiller> sergiusens: hey
[12:58] <sergiusens> bfiller, you coming to the office today? If yes I can wait
[12:58] <sergiusens> bfiller, I wanted to discuss the webbrowser-app and webapps
[12:58] <sergiusens> since they depend on the same runtime
[12:59] <bfiller> sergiusens: don't think I'm coming in
[12:59] <sergiusens> it would be hard to make a click package out of webbrowser-app as the webapps depend on the the binary
[12:59] <sergiusens> bfiller, enough driving for the week? :-)
[12:59] <bfiller> sergiusens: exactly :)
[12:59] <bfiller> don't want to set foot in my car again
[13:00] <sergiusens> :-)
[13:00] <bfiller> sergiusens: so do we need to change something in webbrowser-app?
[13:03] <cjwatson> sergiusens: read-only mode, I presume
[13:03] <cjwatson> sergiusens: Hm.  Yeah.  So that does actually make my plan unviable, whoops.  Needs bug 1215092 in that case
[13:04] <sergiusens> bfiller, well that's what I wanted to discuss
[13:04] <bfiller> sergiusens: should we jump on mumble or hangout and grab oSoMoN ?
[13:05] <jo-erlend> do I understand correctly, that if I want to add a normal Ubuntu service (openssh-server, for instance) to my Nexus 7, then I must use the cdimage-touch image, but if I only want Ubuntu SDK apps, then I should use ubuntu-system?
[13:06] <sergiusens> bfiller, sounds good
[13:06] <sergiusens> bfiller, any time is good
[13:06] <bfiller> sergiusens: on mumble now
[13:07] <plars> mzanetti: ping
[13:08] <sergiusens> bfiller, on my way
[13:09] <Saviq> dholbach, mzanetti +1'd https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/ubuntu/saucy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/add-qtquick-delegate-range/+merge/184774
[13:12] <mzanetti> re
[13:13] <mzanetti> plars: pong
[13:13] <plars> mzanetti: did something change with the unity8 tests recently?
[13:13] <plars> mzanetti: they seem to be failing on the daily images now, and I'm seeing something like this in the logs:
[13:13] <plars> Unable to create directory: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/utah/testsuites/unity8-autopilot/unity8-autopilot/shell/tests/test_notifications.py", line 29, in <module>'
[13:17] <plars> mzanetti: this is happening on devices btw
[13:17] <mzanetti> plars: yeah... python-gi was dropped from the default image yesterday
[13:17] <mzanetti> plars: there is a branch that fixes it already
[13:18] <plars> mzanetti: ok, I was wondering if that's what it was, I'm not sure what python-gi is
[13:19] <ogra_> plars, not that i want them to be re-run, but do you have an idea why the 43 image doesnt have maguro tests at all ?
[13:20] <plars> ogra_: looking
[13:21] <cjohnston> plars: the MP to fix the unity8 issue is failing the merger stuff
[13:21] <plars> ogra_: there was a dns failure on the install test, so it never even made it as far as installing the image completely. Since it was probably late last night when it happened, I wasn't around to kick it back off again
[13:21] <victorp> popey, how do I get the SDK to enable developer mode on my device, seems to fail to install ssh
[13:21] <ogra_> plars, thanks
[13:22] <plars> mzanetti: see what cjohnston  said ^
[13:22] <mzanetti> cjohnston: yes, I know. on it
[13:22] <mzanetti> plars:
[13:22] <plars> mzanetti: awesome :)
[13:23] <mhall119> bzoltan: hey, where's a good source for the QtQuick qdocs source?
[13:24] <cjohnston> 18
[13:24] <barry> lool: that is weird.  any clues from the log file?
[13:24] <sergiusens> cjwatson, ok, so we need to wait on stgraber
[13:25] <bfiller> tedg: will there a be a dbus interface that apps can call to invoke uri handler? I know they can do it from QDesktopServices in code but how about from a desktop file?
[13:25] <tedg> bfiller, I'd prefer if they didn't use the DBus interface but instead the little utility in that case.
[13:26] <bfiller> tedg: for example, webapps click packages need to invoke the browser but shouldn't do it directly
[13:26] <bfiller> tedg: what is that utility?
[13:26] <tedg> bfiller, url-dispatcher, it's in url-dispatcher-tools
[13:26] <cjwatson> sergiusens: I think so, unfortunately
[13:26] <popey> victorp: adb shell touch /userdata/.writable_image
[13:26] <popey> victorp: then reboot
[13:26] <bfiller> tedg: nice
[13:26] <bfiller> sergiusens: ^^^^ url-dispatcher I think can be used in the webapps click packages
[13:26] <victorp> popey, ta!
[13:26] <popey> victorp: however... bug 1223301
[13:27] <cjwatson> sergiusens: Though I guess I should still write the click side of things, and maybe it's useful to run it in the RW case
[13:27] <tedg> bfiller, I don't think we have http:// in the url list right now... we should probably add that one :-)
[13:27] <sergiusens> tedg, if the webbrowser app is a click app, how is that going to work?
[13:27] <bfiller> tedg: yeah, certainly need that (and https)
[13:27] <victorp> popey, meaning? do I need to reflash cd-image
[13:27] <victorp> ?
[13:28] <tedg> bfiller, Yeah, in general we want to get to the apps exporting it.  But for a quick solution we hard coded them.  I'll add those.
[13:28] <tedg> sergiusens, ?  What do you mean?  It'll start the click app.
[13:30] <sergiusens> tedg, right ... in the application upstart job you have APP_ID and APP_URI ... the webbrowser app for webapps takes an additional --chromeless argument...
[13:31] <bfiller> tedg: we need to be able to pass args as well
[13:31] <popey> victorp: well, up to you, but I am not using read-only image at the moment because some bits don't work with it, like sdk
[13:31] <tedg> sergiusens, Hmm, how about having web browser export two different apps?  webbrowser and webbrowser-chromeless ?
[13:31] <stgraber> sergiusens: yes?
[13:31] <victorp> popey , ok - i will try the work around and see
[13:31] <sergiusens> tedg, that's what I was thinking
[13:32] <sergiusens> tedg, and make it hidden by default
[13:32] <bfiller> tedg, sergiusens : that will only partially work as -chromeless takes args like what chrome to show
[13:32] <sergiusens> stgraber, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1215092
[13:32] <tedg> Wait, do we want the webapps starting the web browser?  Doesn't that mean that the data can be shared between webapps?
[13:32] <victorp> popey - I am trying to publish my torch app :)
[13:32] <tedg> I thought one of the benefits was things like cookie isolation.
[13:32] <sergiusens> bfiller, ah, wasn't awate of that one
[13:33] <popey> victorp: yay
[13:33] <tedg> bfiller, I'm a bit confused, like themes?
[13:33] <sergiusens> stgraber, I'm getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6096915/
[13:34] <bfiller> tedg: no, so when you are running in chromeless mode the caller can pass args to enable certain chrome, like back/forward buttons, url field, etc..
[13:35] <tedg> Hmm, okay.
[13:35] <tedg> The desktop file format doesn't really have a way for us to insert arguments...
[13:35] <segastep> christina why did you leave
[13:36] <lool> barry: /var/log/system-image/client.log is empty; is there another one?
[13:36] <segastep> i know this woman christiana .. shmexy woman
[13:36] <barry> lool: nope
[13:36] <segastep> not for you boyd
[13:37] <lool> barry: how come it's empty?  haven't relaunched OS updates since the reboot
[13:38] <barry> lool: take a look at /etc/system-image/client.ini at logfile and loglevel variables.  the former should point to that file.  if the latter says 'error' then no errors must have occurred (you could bump it down to info, and maybe we should as default), but of course, you'd have to re-run it to get any output now
[13:39] <lool> barry: let's switch the default to info then
[13:39] <lool> barry: I think it's super small when compared to syslog traffic I'm seeing right now
[13:39] <barry> lool: +1  i'll do that in 1.6
[13:39] <lool> barry: and it's only when checking / applying updates anyway
[13:39] <lool> barry: thanks
[13:39] <popey> victorp: lemme know if you need any testing ☻
[13:39] <stgraber> sergiusens: right, I haven't had time to work on bug 1215092 yet though I've got some ideas of how I want to solve it. As for what you pasted, jdstrand is more likely to be of help I guess.
[13:40] <lool> barry: some components are even in debug mode still, but that might be too much for system-image, not sure
[13:40] <sergiusens> stgraber, yeah,I'm looking at aa-clickhook right now... I was just filling you in :-)
[13:40] <stgraber> lool: haha, yeah, you don't want debug for system-image, IIRC it prints every single byte it gets from the network :)
[13:40] <barry> lool: it might be.  let's info it and see (alternatively, we could knock it down to debug now and then raise it if it seems too much)
[13:41] <cjwatson> segastep: Please keep the sexist commentary off this channel.  Preferably off this planet.
[13:41] <lool> stgraber: does it still do that?
[13:42] <lool> stgraber, barry: I remember it was painful to run with -v -v at some point   :-)
[13:42] <barry> stgraber: yeah, but it won't do that once the d/l service is integrated :)
[13:42] <barry> lool: okay, let's go with info and see how that goes
[13:42] <tedg> bfiller, So I'd prefer to not change the desktop exec line stuff.  Would it be reasonable to have a custom URL?  webapp://urlbar/http://mysite.com ?
[13:42] <stgraber> barry: good point :)
[13:42] <lool> this should be trace level if that exists with logging
[13:42] <lool> barry: col thanks
[13:42] <bfiller> tedg: that's a good idea
[13:43] <bfiller> oSoMoN: is that something that is doable (read scrollback)
[13:45] <smartnamo> Hello
[13:45] <smartnamo> We are a upcoming smartphone brand for india market
[13:46] <smartnamo> need tech help on implementing Ubuntu Touch on our handsets
[13:46] <smartnamo> need custom Ubuntu OS for our handsets
[13:47] <mterry> ogra_, tedg : I'm disconnecting like crazy, I may have missed a response
[13:47] <smartnamo> please email me on ammeet.desai@smartnamo.com for consulting opportunity
[13:47] <ogra_> mterry, h,, if there was a question to respond to i have missed it too
[13:47] <tedg> mterry, I didn't see a ping...
[13:47] <mterry> ogra_, tedg: heh, must have sent both while I was timing out
[13:48] <smartnamo> Need Ubuntu programmers for implementing Ubuntu OS on mediatek MT6589 1.5 Ghz
[13:48] <mterry> ogra_, feel like approving https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/session-manager-touch/lightdm-switch/+merge/184659 nowadays?
[13:48] <sergiusens> smartnamo, if you need commercial support http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/backed-by-canonical
[13:48] <mterry> tedg, hello!  When a user is on the Touch greeter and presses the dash button in the launcher, we need some way to signal via unity-greeter-session-broadcast that the shell should show the dash.  Do you have an opinion on the best way to do that?  An empty string appId?  A new API in u-g-s-b?
[13:48] <tedg> mterry, I think a new API makes sense.
[13:48] <ogra_> mterry, waiting for asac approval, then i'mm just merge it ... i think asac still wants to hold back changes until we have the next good image
[13:48] <oSoMoN> bfiller, tedg: what’s the use case? why can’t we pass command line args?
[13:48] <ogra_> mterry, hoping we can do it today though
[13:49] <tedg> oSoMoN, There's no way to identify them in the Exec line of a desktop file.
[13:49] <bfiller> oSoMoN: when moving to click packages webapps can't directly invoke the webbrowser-app executable
[13:49] <mardy> zsombi: hi! Did you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/lp1221707/+merge/184513 ?
[13:49] <bfiller> oSoMoN: so proposal is for webapps to use url dispatcher
[13:49] <mterry> ogra_, OK, thanks
[13:49] <mardy> zsombi: I now added a unit test
[13:49] <mterry> tedg, OK, will propose something
[13:49] <ogra_> mterry, so do you have a proper seat in logind (as well as an active session) with the latest changes ?
[13:49] <tedg> mterry, Not sure if there's a way on the session bus to request that, but we can do the same trick with the Upstart job and have it just do a gdbus call.
[13:50] <zsombi> mardy: not yet, haven't checked it. Jenkins is broken again, not sure whether your tests will get executed at all... :) :(
[13:50] <mterry> ogra_, yeah, after patching lightdm to handle this weird fallback case (no mir and no VT switching allowed)
[13:50] <ogra_> awesome !
[13:50] <ogra_> :D
[13:50] <mterry> tedg, the shell can just listen for the signal eh?
[13:50] <tedg> mterry, It could, but then it'd have to connect to the system bus, which it might not be doing.
[13:51] <oSoMoN> bfiller, tedg: I guess that would work, I’m not convinced that it’s an elegant solution though, and we’d need alex_abreu’s opinion too
[13:51] <tedg> mterry, If there's nothing there, it's probably as easy to add either way, but if it already exists on the session bus.
[13:51] <mterry> tedg, oh it is already for other stuff
[13:51] <sergiusens> tedg, on another topic, is there a bug for the lack of icons?
[13:51] <bfiller> oSoMoN: open to other ideas as well if you have them
[13:52] <zsombi> mardy: actually yours went on as of yesterday... have you ran autopilot tests?
[13:52] <tedg> sergiusens, Not that I know of, but I almost have the branch done :-)
[13:52] <sergiusens> tedg, ...lack of icons for click packages that is
[13:52] <mterry> tedg, I just figure going via upstart -> gdbus means exposing API in the shell over dbus?  Not sure we want to add that
[13:52] <cjwatson> sergiusens: bug 1221643?
[13:52] <alex_abreu> oSoMoN, reading
[13:52] <tedg> mterry, Sure, I was more thinking if that already existed.
[13:52] <sergiusens> tedg, ack, I was going to take a run at it if it wasn't being worked on, the less is looking pretty empty with all those webapps in click mode
[13:53] <sergiusens> cjwatson, yes, but that is a hook bug as the icon path isn't being set
[13:54] <tedg> sergiusens, Mostly I need to just test it on a phone.  If you want to try, it's here: lp:~ted/upstart-app-launch/icon-existing
[13:54] <sergiusens> cjwatson, or not... it seems that that is like icons not showing up, it's unclear if they are empty icons or no icons at all
[13:54] <cjwatson> sergiusens: you could argue that it ought to be resolved relative to Path, although it's not what the desktop-entry spec says
[13:54] <sergiusens> tedg, testing
[13:54] <plars> oSoMoN: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4201/webbrowser-app-autopilot/
[13:56] <jo-erlend> hmm. My Nexus 7 seems completely dead. Only the Google screen with the unlocked symbol. I've followed all the instructions on the wiki. Any ideas? The guide tells me I should try to wipe the /data partition on the device, but how exactly do I do that?
[13:57] <wellsb> jo-erlend: Does adb see the device?
[13:57] <ogra_> jo-erlend, boot into recovery ... there you can either wipe it via the menu on screen or just use adb
[13:57] <jo-erlend> no
[13:57] <tedg> sergiusens, Found a bug, grab r56
[13:57] <wellsb> Do as ogra_ said.  fastboot should see it
[13:58] <jo-erlend> fastboot doesn't see it either, if you mean fastboot devices
[13:58] <wellsb> You have to boot into recovery for fastboot to see it
[13:58]  * ogra_ didnt talk about fastboot 
[13:58] <asac> didrocks: kenvandine: sil2100: Mirv: hi ... can one of you get a complegte list of packages we have staged in daily-release right now?
[13:58] <jo-erlend> ok. How do I boot into recovery?
[13:58] <asac> didrocks: kenvandine: sil2100: Mirv: i need that for a managment meeting in 1.5 hours
[13:58] <wellsb> ogra_: I was referring to the boot into recovery part ;)
[13:58] <didrocks> asac: it's planned that I write a script today for that
[13:58] <didrocks> asac: but there is this firedrill
[13:58] <sergiusens> tedg, pulling
[13:58] <didrocks> so focusing on that for now
[13:58] <ogra_> jo-erlend, iirc hold vol. down when powering up
[13:59] <victorp> popey, ugh.. I packaged it and when through the publish process, but seems that is not working
[13:59] <ogra_> jo-erlend, that should bring you into fastboot mode where you can select recovery on the screen
[13:59] <didrocks> kenvandine: sil2100: one of you can do that?
[13:59] <victorp> any thoughts?
[13:59] <asac> didrocks: right. lets see if Mirv or sil2100 or kenvandine or cyphermox can get us this info once
[13:59] <jo-erlend> ogra_, that's what I've been doing, but I only get the Google screen.
[13:59] <didrocks> like listing all .project files
[13:59] <didrocks> looking at the diff in changelog
[13:59] <didrocks> and giving that to asac
[13:59] <ogra_> jo-erlend, even when selecting recovery in the menu ?
[13:59] <didrocks> (on magners-orchestra)
[14:00] <popey> victorp: did you go through the right publishing process?
[14:00] <didrocks> it's the easiest way
[14:00] <popey> victorp: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps that one
[14:00] <victorp> popey, lol
[14:00] <victorp> probably  not
[14:00] <jo-erlend> ogra_, there is no menu. Only a Google logo and an unlocked padlock.
[14:00] <ogra_> jo-erlend, then wellsb is right, youo need to re-flash the recovery img via fastboot
[14:00] <popey> i.e. not the desktop one
[14:00] <victorp> I when trough the obvious one!
[14:00] <victorp> :)
[14:00] <ogra_> jo-erlend, then you are not in the mode you should be
[14:00] <victorp> trying again
[14:01] <victorp> popey wierd, it was the right process, but now with your link it lets me press submit
[14:02] <jo-erlend> ogra_, ok, now I'm in that menu. I have no idea what I did differently this time, but ok :)
[14:02] <popey> victorp: magic
[14:02] <ogra_> jo-erlend, great ... so selct recovery mode with the vol. keys and press power
[14:02] <ogra_> that should boot you into recovery
[14:02] <ogra_> from there you can wipe
[14:03] <mhr3> mfisch, no call today?
[14:03] <mhr3> ssweeny, ^?
[14:03] <mhr3> or are we done with those?
[14:03] <mardy> zsombi: no, I didn't
[14:03] <oSoMoN> plars: it seems to be a general issue affecting all apps, apparently something is eating click events sent to toolbar buttons just after opening it, maybe the hud
[14:04] <mfisch> mhr3: lool and I are on the call
[14:04] <mardy> zsombi: how do I run them?
[14:04] <ssweeny> mhr3, i have another meeting
[14:04] <mhr3> mfisch, hm, let me try to rejoin then
[14:04] <sil2100> asac: ok, let me do that
[14:04] <plars> oSoMoN: is that something that was fixed in a recent mp I saw from ricmm?
[14:04] <zsombi> mardy: well, does not break any public API or alter public API behavior, so no need, but would be good to run at least the unit tests on the device too
[14:04] <sil2100> Phew
[14:05] <mardy> zsombi: OK, I will
[14:05] <oSoMoN> plars: I don’t know, do you have the link to the MR handy?
[14:05] <cyphermox> asac: didrocks: you mean in the daily-release PPA?
[14:05] <didrocks> cyphermox: right, everything which is staged
[14:05] <didrocks> I would advise to log to mangers-orchestra
[14:05] <didrocks> look at all .project files
[14:05] <sergiusens> jhodapp, http://www.sintel.org/download
[14:05] <sil2100> cyphermox: everything which waits for release but we don't release yet
[14:05] <zsombi> mardy: thx!!!, meanwhile I'll check the code
[14:06] <sil2100> cyphermox: but I'm doing that now
[14:06] <didrocks> and look in the same dir the branch
[14:06] <mardy> zsombi: thanks
[14:06] <didrocks> paste the debian/changelog
[14:06] <plars> oSoMoN: https://code.launchpad.net/~ricmm/unity8/fix-library-and-ap/+merge/185198
[14:06] <didrocks> (latest entry)
[14:06] <didrocks> sil2100: that makes sense? ^
[14:06] <sil2100> didrocks: latest changelog entry, ACK
[14:06] <OrokuSaki> anyone know how I can uninstall the fluendo mp3 codec or specify another without uninstalling ubuntu-touch
[14:06] <OrokuSaki> with ap-get?
[14:07] <mardy> Laney: are we having the meeting?
[14:07] <Laney> mardy: oh, oops, can do - joining
[14:07] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, bfiller tedg sound ok (the webapps thing) although the URI will get messy since there could  more more than the chrome argument
[14:07] <didrocks> thanks sil2100
[14:07] <mardy> Laney: I don't have anything from my side, just wondering if it's needed at all .-)
[14:07] <oSoMoN> plars: looks like it might be related
[14:08] <oSoMoN> ricmm: is https://code.launchpad.net/~ricmm/unity8/fix-library-and-ap/+merge/185198 related to hud eating touch events after the toolbar has been revealed?
[14:08] <alex-abreu> bfiller, tedg this might be messy since the webbrowser-app invoked this way needs to have a way to read data from the local webapp, to know what to do w/ it
[14:09] <victorp> popey, I got a hammer to it and it finally sumitted
[14:09] <victorp> :)
[14:10] <ricmm> oSoMoN: yes
[14:10] <ricmm> oSoMoN: its the fix for the issue introduced by one of the revs that landed in yesterday's unity8 release
[14:11] <tedg> alex-abreu, Yeah, I think that's an interesting question.  But one that I'm not getting involved with :-)
[14:11] <alex-abreu> bfiller, tedg the webbrowser-app is indeed started in a specific mode (chrome, etc.) but in the end it will need to pull some data out of the webapps click package (although this is not mandatory right now since the touch webapps are empty chells)
[14:11] <tedg> Seems like we need the base web stuff on the image.  And then the "browser" as built on that in a click package.
[14:11] <tedg> With another tool built on that same base for webapps.
[14:11] <alex-abreu> tedg, well it is related to the chosen URL scheme ...
[14:12] <popey> victorp: yay
[14:13] <tedg> alex-abreu, Sure.  But I think your problem there is more architectural than how to access.
[14:13] <oSoMoN> ricmm: cool, thanks!
[14:14] <sergiusens> tedg, bfiller oSoMoN that leads back to the original question of if the browser can be split out a bit
[14:14] <alex-abreu> tedg, indeed, but until 30mns ago I wasn't aware of the webapp calling the webbrowser-app issues and have to check the alternative options
[14:15] <alex-abreu> sergiusens, please put me in cc of the webapps discussion on the phone
[14:15] <sergiusens> alex-abreu, ack... It's something I slept on yesterday
[14:15] <alex-abreu> :)
[14:15] <tedg> alex-abreu, Heh, things change fast, no time for lunch :-)
[14:16] <alex-abreu> sergiusens, bfiller oSoMoN tedg indeed the webbrowser-app only being some sort of a runtime for webapps an in a very specific mode in that case
[14:16] <alex-abreu> tedg, heh
[14:16] <tedg> In general, I'm flexible there on what we do.  Command line arguments are hard because we have to invent things, but I can do any URL you'd like :-)
[14:17] <alex-abreu> tedg, it's not a major issue right now (the accessing  & transferring webapps resources), because webapps don't have integration scripts atm (javascript greamonkey like snippets that integrate w/ the shell), ...
[14:17] <ogra_> mterry, one question that came up in a discussion right now was if lightdm would affect screen lock/unlock in any way (i assumed not, but thought i'd better ask, since that could break tests)
[14:18] <mterry> ogra_, not yet it won't.  When we switch to an actual separate greeter, then yah obviously
[14:18] <ogra_> right, thats what i thought
[14:18] <alex-abreu> tedg, the url scheme is going to be long & messy ... since we need to pass the chrome mode + the allowed navigation url patterns + etc.
[14:19] <alex-abreu> "long & messy" being a slight marketing exageration but still
[14:19] <zsombi> mardy: you made ContextPropertyChangeListeners to be created on the heap, those won't be destroyed, will cause leaks!
[14:20] <tedg> alex-abreu, Sure, so another option would be system binary for it or a configuration file.
[14:20] <cwayne> hm, the messaging indicator still  seems to be missing
[14:20] <bfiller> alex-abreu: wonder if it could use standard ?name=value pairs appended to the url like on forms
[14:20] <cwayne> zsombi, ping
[14:20] <zsombi> cwayne: pong
[14:21] <alex-abreu> tedg, yes, the config file exists (or could exist) but the webapp needs a way to pass it down to the webbrowser-app
[14:21] <alex-abreu> bfiller, yeah that's what I had in mind, but I was just wondering on how manageable it would be in the longer term
[14:21] <cwayne> zsombi, hey, i was wondering if you had a timeframe in mind for that UBUNTU_UI_TOOLKIT_THEMES_PATH bug?
[14:22] <alex-abreu> it would be fastest hack possible though I guess
[14:22] <zsombi> cwayne: I'm on that bug, when I don't get MR reviews :)
[14:22] <ogra_> asac, hmm, you are right, i cant pass by the SIM unlock dialog on android
[14:22] <barry> mandel: ping
[14:22] <cwayne> zsombi, great, thanks!  let me know if there is anything I can do to help :)
[14:22] <mandel> barry, pong
[14:22] <zsombi> cwayne: next Monday/Tuesday might land, once we get Jenkins rolling again :/
[14:23] <cwayne> zsombi, also, does that bug include the fact that Ambiance always chooses either ambiance or suru (never a custom theme)?
[14:23] <cwayne> zsombi, that's perfect, thanks!
[14:23]  * cwayne grumbles at jenkins
[14:23] <barry> mandel: i'm sure it's me, but i'm having some problems with the code/docs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DownloadService/DownloadManager
[14:23] <zsombi> cwayne: that will be a separate fix, one bug at a time :)
[14:23] <mandel> barry, let me check
[14:24] <barry> mandel: here's my adaptation (still doesn't work though): http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097204/
[14:24]  * mandel looks
[14:24] <sergiusens> tedg, cjwatson I was casually browsing the unity8 bzr log and found http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/revision/312 from mzanetti
[14:24] <zsombi> mardy: forget about my prev comment, saw your fix on that too!
[14:25] <mandel> barry, let me play a little with it
[14:25] <mzanetti> sergiusens: ?
[14:25] <cwayne> zsombi, of course :)  thanks for the info
[14:25] <barry> mandel: cool.  that's python3
[14:25] <mandel> barry, ok!
[14:25] <zsombi> cwayne: np
[14:26] <sergiusens> mzanetti, is that just for the launcher when still at the greater?
[14:26] <mzanetti> sergiusens: for what?
[14:26] <cjwatson> mzanetti: You ought to check that Icon isn't already absolute before doing that
[14:27] <asac> sil2100: i have 15 more minutes before i need the list of packages
[14:27] <asac> fyi
[14:27] <tedg> mzanetti, We're fixing the Icon field to have the path
[14:27] <cjwatson> tedg: Which will break that code since it doesn't check for absolute Icon :)
[14:27] <sergiusens> mzanetti, looks similar to this https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/icon-existing
[14:27] <cjwatson> But I think that's mzanetti's bug ...
[14:28] <tedg> cjwatson, Heh, yes.
[14:28] <sil2100> asac: ACK, almost there
[14:30] <ogra_> Saviq, hey ... so we dropped all demo content from the image ... since then the unity experience changed quite a bit, i suddenly have the original doc, video, music and photo pages now, but none of them has a header  (home and apps still do though)
[14:30] <sil2100> asac: is pastebinit enough?
[14:30] <mzanetti> cjwatson: so you're giving that Path and additionally write it to the icon's path itself?
[14:30] <asac> sil2100: yeah do that
[14:30] <asac> perfect
[14:31] <cjwatson> mzanetti: That's what Ted is proposing to do; and it does fit the desktop-entry spec better, which doesn't permit relative icon paths
[14:31] <sil2100> There's a lot of packages it seems...
[14:31] <Saviq> ogra_, no header, how do you mean?
[14:31] <ogra_> Saviq, no caption
[14:31] <cjwatson> mzanetti: But I think you should tolerate both.  If the Icon path is relative and you have Path, prepend path; otherwise use the bare Icon
[14:31] <Saviq> ogra_, interesting... that in the image already?
[14:31] <ogra_> yes
[14:31] <cjwatson> mzanetti: That way we don't flip-flop as people apply mutually incompatible patches, which is exactly what's happening now ...
[14:31] <ogra_> its there since the demo scopes were removed
[14:31] <sil2100> asac, didrocks: here's a plain list of all packages waiting for release: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097235/
[14:31] <Saviq> ogra_, dpkg -l | egrep 'lens|scope' ?
[14:32] <sil2100> asac, didrocks: here the same with changelog entries: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097236/
[14:32] <sil2100> (latest changelog entries)
[14:32] <mzanetti> cjwatson: ack
[14:32] <asac> sil2100: ok ... can you annotate which stack they are coming from?
[14:32] <asac> or is that hard to figure?
[14:32] <anders3408> hello , ogra_ i have a followup syslog from the problem from yesterday if you have time : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094812/
[14:32] <sil2100> asac, didrocks: the second list has that info
[14:32] <asac> sil2100: maybe its already sorted by stack?
[14:32] <sil2100> I can re-add it if you want
[14:33] <sil2100> To the first list
[14:33] <asac> sil2100: yeah... at best grouped by stack
[14:33] <sil2100> ACK
[14:33] <asac> awesome
[14:33] <anders3408> just a note ogra_ those lines around : huyu------techeck_work_func: lcd resetting ! te_count = 0  should be ignored, just a typical warning that the kernel shoots out on any non stock roms :)
[14:34] <oSoMoN> balloons: hey, I’m trying to understand the latest change to the calendar app ap tests, can you please explain what you did?
[14:34] <Saviq> mhr3, can you help ogra_ please? I can't do flashing now (on 3G currently)
[14:34] <asac> didrocks: video up?
[14:35] <Saviq> mhr3, seems we don't have an .override for the scopes now that demo stuff was removed
[14:35] <Saviq> mhr3, but on top of that ogra_ reports no headers
[14:35] <lool> dholbach: hmm I can't launch clicks in 44:; do you see this too?
[14:35] <sil2100> asac, didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097260/
[14:35] <mhr3> Saviq, ah yea, the dconf overrides were in there
[14:35] <AskUbuntu> Qt Creator has disabled Build -> Run command | http://askubuntu.com/q/344693
[14:36] <sil2100> I made a script for doing those lists, hope it's correct
[14:36] <mhr3> ogra_, which headers are missing?
[14:36] <ogra_> Saviq, mhr3 http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097266/
[14:36] <ogra_> mhr3, all but applications and home scope
[14:36] <dholbach> lool, yes, same here :/
[14:37] <dholbach> lool, unfortunately I'm a bit busy with some docs on developer.u.c right now - I hope somebody else can debug it?
[14:37] <lool> dholbach: sure; was curious on whether it was known / reported
[14:37] <mhr3> ogra_, well, if music and video were removed it kinda makes sense :)
[14:37] <dholbach> lool, I just tested it now
[14:38] <ogra_> mhr3, well, sure, i wouldnt expect any content ... but at least the heading :)
[14:38] <mhr3> ogra_, gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Dash scopes
[14:38] <mhr3> ?
[14:38] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Dash scopes
[14:38] <ogra_> ['home.scope', 'applications.scope', 'files.scope', 'video.scope', 'music.scope', 'photos.scope', 'social.scope']
[14:39] <Saviq> ogra_, mhr3 right, so the shell tries to display those, but they're not installed
[14:39] <ogra_> so should i seed them, are they ready ?
[14:39] <ogra_> or should we hide them ?
[14:40] <Saviq> ogra_, files, photos and social shouldn't be there, but music and video, ultimately, should
[14:40] <lool> qmlscene foobar
[14:40] <lool> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[14:40] <mhr3> it's odd though, the master scopes for all of those should be there, so at least the pages should display fine
[14:41] <ogra_> i get the icons at the bottom for all of them when swiping left and right
[14:41] <ogra_> just no headings
[14:41] <mhr3> ogra_, give me a sec
[14:41] <ogra_> no hurry at all :)
[14:41] <mhr3> ogra_, but anyway, we'll need to seed unity-scope-video-remote
[14:42] <ogra_> asac, ^^^
[14:42] <sergiusens> tedg, I'm not getting the icons, that said, all my apps are in @all (if it means anything to you)
[14:43] <lool> jdstrand: I can't launch apps confined or unconfined, so seems not directly related to confinment, but I see a recent apparmor update and I get this in syslog:
[14:43] <lool> Sep 12 14:41:51 ubuntu-phablet dbus[612]: apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="system" name="org.freedesktop.DBus" path="/org/freedesktop/DBus" interface="org.freedesktop.DBus" member="Hello" mask="send" pid=20822 profile="com.ubuntu.stock-ticker-mobile_stock-ticker-mobile_0.3.7" peer_profile="unconfined"
[14:43] <tedg> sergiusens, No, it doesn't.  What does that mean?
[14:43] <ogra_> mhr3, could that change any behavior of the shell (i.e. break existing autopilot tests) ?
[14:43] <sergiusens> tedg, oh, that I am only using preinstalled apps
[14:43] <sergiusens> lool, hooks aren't being run on the images for preinstalled apps
[14:43] <sergiusens> lool, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6096915/
[14:44] <lool> sergiusens: is this new apparmor?
[14:44] <tedg> sergiusens, So does that still generate the desktop files for you in ~/.local/share/applications ?
[14:44] <mhr3> ogra_, i think the ap tests check mostly apps atm
[14:44] <jdstrand> lool: that denial is known
[14:45] <sergiusens> tedg, yes it does, but without the icon path
[14:45] <ogra_> mhr3, we have one big unity8 tests as well
[14:45] <jdstrand> lool: that should be unrelated
[14:45] <mhr3> ogra_, hmm, i can repro the missing headers
[14:45] <lool> jdstrand: ok; thanks for both confirmations
[14:45] <ogra_> (which currently fails due to some other change ... i would like to prevent that from happening if the seed changes)
[14:45] <lool> sergiusens, jdstrand: Is someone chasing the regression with preinstalled apps?
[14:45] <ogra_> mhr3, on what image are you ?
[14:45] <tedg> sergiusens, Can you delete them and run the desktop hook?  Does it complain?
[14:46] <mhr3> ogra_, i just changed the dconf key
[14:46] <ogra_> mhr3, so is it one with all the demo stuff removed ?
[14:46] <sergiusens> tedg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097314/
[14:46] <jdstrand> lool: what is the regression? is it perhaps bug #1223085?
[14:46] <mhr3> ogra_, no, it's there but unused
[14:46] <mhr3> cause i changed the dconf key :)
[14:46] <lool> jdstrand: no, that should be only for images with a /custom
[14:47] <ogra_> well, seems something is different if you remove all the demo packages (and the mock lens)
[14:47] <jdstrand> lool: I am unaware of the regression you are referring to then, so I guess my anwser is, "no, I'm not"
[14:47] <ogra_> as we just did for the image
[14:47] <mhr3> ogra_, but we still need a pkg that will override the dconf key, it shouldn't be the same as on desktop
[14:47] <lool> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6096915/ is what sergiusens pasted above
[14:47] <ogra_> i think seb128 has a package that ships gconf overrides
[14:48] <ogra_> for touch
[14:48] <lool> sergiusens: Hmm I cant run stuff with qmlscene from adb shell sudo -u phablet -i anymore, but it works from terminal at least
[14:48] <cyphermox> rsalveti: rview one last time, fixes for the lintian warnings: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/mtp/packaging-review/+merge/185156
[14:48] <sergiusens> tedg, right they are not generated
[14:48] <mhr3> ogra_, good place to put it in then :)
[14:48] <ogra_> mhr3, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20130911.3.changes this is what was removed due to the seed chanegs
[14:48] <mfisch> lool: btw - I replied to your review comments, for some reason I'm not getting emails about changes to the review, so maybe you are not either
[14:48] <ogra_> in case you see something obvious that needs to come back
[14:49] <lool> mfisch: I'm not receiving them, but I'm not anyone / anything WRT mp
[14:49] <jdstrand> lool: right, that is known. people started using the ubuntu-webapps-experimental template before they should have and it got renamed to ubuntu-webapps. I alerted people to the change in click-webers (lp group). people committed the changes and I think it will autoland. sergiusens can confirrm
[14:49] <mhr3> ogra_, sure makes sense to get rid of all the demo stuff
[14:49] <tedg> sergiusens, Can you do "rm .local/share/applications/net.launchpad.click-webapps.gmail_gmail_1.desktop" and then  /usr/lib/*/upstart-app-launch/desktop-hook
[14:49] <sergiusens> tedg, I get a dump when running /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/upstart-app-launch/desktop-hook com.ubuntu.sudoku_sudoku_0.4.3
[14:49] <ogra_> mhr3, well, there are also unity-lens-mock and unity-scopes-runner
[14:50] <ogra_> (which were deps)
[14:50] <tedg> sergiusens, Yeah, no params
[14:50] <mhr3> ogra_, yea, that's fine, scope-runner is for python scopes only
[14:50] <mhr3> and mock was python
[14:50] <sil2100> didrocks: eh, unity8 check will have to be re-run, as intel got struck by the DNS issue AGAIN
[14:50] <sil2100> jibel: ping
[14:50] <bfiller> tedg: just thinking about the param passing some more, why can't you just pass anything after the url as an arg to the app? like in a desktop file you can have Exec=/usr/bin/foobar -v -k xxx
[14:50] <ogra_> mhr3, ok
[14:50] <mhr3> pstolowski, are we ready to get rid of all the mocks from the image?
[14:50] <lool> jdstrand: could you perhaps review https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/webapps-demo/click-packages-take-two/+merge/1
[14:50] <lool> 85212
[14:50] <lool> jdstrand: sorry https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/webapps-demo/click-packages-take-two/+merge/185212
[14:50] <tedg> bfiller, It is possible, but there's no specification for it in the desktop exec line specification.  Something like "%a" for arguments.
[14:51] <tedg> bfiller, You could want them to go before a "--" or something like that.
[14:51] <sil2100> jibel: were you guys able to find the reasons for the DNS issues? Those started plaguing us since recently...
[14:51] <pstolowski> mhr3: we don't until we can provide real online music and videos
[14:51] <tedg> bfiller, If possible, I'd prefer not to change/add that spec.
[14:52] <rsalveti> cyphermox: thanks
[14:52] <bfiller> tedg: I'm confused, it works in desktop files today so what needs to be added to the spec?
[14:52] <mhr3> pstolowski, well for videos it's just about installing the remote video scope, no?
[14:52] <sergiusens> tedg, ok... s I was doing a click hook remove 'your hook' and hook install
[14:52] <pstolowski> mhr3: plus disabling some sources?
[14:52] <mterry> tedg, what do you think of this? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-greeter-session-broadcast/show-home/+merge/185270
[14:52] <mhr3> pstolowski, since clicking on thing doesn't do anything, i don't see that as a blocker :)
[14:53] <pstolowski> mhr3: :]
[14:53] <bfiller> tedg: like gallery's desktop file does this: Exec=gallery-app --fullscreen %u
[14:53] <tedg> bfiller, Uhm, no.  You can put anything you want on the Exec line, but you can pass one to the executor of the desktop file.  Here's the keys available: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#exec-variables
[14:53] <mhr3> ogra_, but in that case i guess we want to keep the music demo
[14:53] <pstolowski> mhr3: still, music scope for online results is still a few days away
[14:53] <tedg> bfiller, Yeah, so I can't do "execute gallery-app.desktop --foo"
[14:53] <asac> ricmm: did you try to check the webbrowser regressions?
[14:54] <ogra_> mhr3, the pacakge is completely gone
[14:54] <asac> ricmm: and messaging
[14:54] <ogra_> and we dont use PPAs anymore
[14:54] <mzanetti> cjwatson: fine with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097342/
[14:54] <ogra_> asac, did you see my ping above ? seems we need to seed unity-scope-video-remote now that the demos are gone
[14:54] <sergiusens> jdstrand, lool fwiw, the other qml apps don't work either
[14:54] <ogra_> to actually have functional scopes
[14:54] <asac> ogra_: which regression does it fix?
[14:55] <ogra_> asac, no headers in the scopes
[14:55] <ogra_> (which happens since demos are out)
[14:55] <mhr3> ogra_, music still won't work
[14:55] <tedg> mterry, Works for me.
[14:55] <sergiusens> lool, jdstrand wrt to the webapps, I'm pulling the ones xnox added to the store
[14:55] <ogra_> mhr3, then we need to disable it, demo content is gone
[14:56] <ogra_> mhr3, unless you have any other functional replacement up your sleeve
[14:56] <bfiller> tedg: can we use this from the spec: %U	 A list of URLs. Each URL is passed as a separate argument to the executable program. Local files may either be passed as file: URLs or as file path.
[14:56] <mhr3> ogra_, there is the mediascanner scope, but there's no media on the device by default...
[14:57] <mhr3> so it will be empty now
[14:57] <ogra_> mhr3, yeah, thats fine
[14:57] <tedg> bfiller, Yup.  URL dispatcher doesn't do that (it does one at a time), but upstart-app-launch does.
[14:57] <ogra_> as long as it gets a header again :)
[14:57] <mhr3> ogra_, still, i'm not sure why that happens
[14:58] <lool> sergiusens: yeah everything seems to be screwed in latest image
[14:58] <cjwatson> mzanetti: works for me, thanks
[14:59] <cjwatson> by which I mean looks good, not that I've tested it :)
[14:59] <mhr3> ogra_, so i guess there's no way to change the dconf setting with seb off?
[14:59] <ogra_> mhr3, i dont even know the actual package name :)  i guess seb will come back at some point though :)
[15:01] <sergiusens> lool, well if tedg now merges his fix for icons we will at least have icons which works (although click hook remove upstart-app-launch-desktop doesn't get rid of the files)
[15:02] <lool> sergiusens: icons but non-working apps?  :-)
[15:03] <ogra_> aha, seems to be in ubuntu-settings
[15:05] <jhodapp> sergiusens, lp:~jhodapp/+junk/qtmultimedia-porting
[15:05] <rsalveti> cyphermox: happroved https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/mtp/packaging-review/+merge/185156
[15:05] <rsalveti> cyphermox: please merge & ci & push :-)
[15:05] <cyphermox> awesome.
[15:05] <cyphermox> thanks
[15:06] <jdstrand> sergiusens: I'm in a meeting atm. let me get back to you after
[15:06] <sergiusens> jdstrand, sure
[15:06] <bfiller> tedg: going to schedule a meeting about this, want to make sure we're all on the same page
[15:06] <cyphermox> slangasek: ping, didrocks told me you could help with reviewing packages to land for touch
[15:07] <ogra_> mhr3, so what should be left in the scopes gconf key after i changed ?
[15:07] <cyphermox> slangasek: lp:mtp would be ready to land, once https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/mtp/packaging-review/+merge/185156 gets merged and if it's acceptable to upload as a new package only for the Touch images
[15:07]  * ogra_ is preparing an MP but wants an exact list
[15:08] <bfiller> tedg: where is bzr for url-dispatcher?
[15:08] <mhr3> ogra_, music, home, applications, video
[15:08] <ogra_> ok
[15:08] <tedg> bfiller, lp:url-dispatcher
[15:08] <tedg> bfiller, K
[15:08] <tedg> bfiller, (in reverse order of your pings :-) )
[15:09] <bfiller> tedg: thanks, duh on my end
[15:11] <ogra_> mhr3, so that ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097406/ and seeding unity-scope-video-remote should be it, right ?
[15:11] <ogra_> mhr3, do you need a bug for the remaining missing headings ?
[15:11] <mhr3> ogra_, i think the order matters to design :)
[15:12] <mhr3> music should be first
[15:12] <ogra_> ok
[15:12] <mhr3> ogra_, and yes, pls open a bug about the headings
[15:12] <mhr3> still not sure what's up with that
[15:12] <ogra_> will do, thanks for the help :)
[15:23] <mandel> barry, I found two issues, one is my fault, I have a typo in the interface exposed by the service and is called Download'er'Manager (this ' are just to point the extra er) the second one is that I encapsulated the paras of create download in a struct (the code i the wiki has it)
[15:23] <mandel> barry, let me do a pastebin of the fixed script, one or fes secs
[15:23] <mandel> few
[15:24] <barry> mandel: +1
[15:24] <mandel> barry, here you go: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6097483/
[15:24] <mandel> barry, I'll create a bug for that extra 'er' in the interface name
[15:25] <barry> mandel: sounds good, let me test the script and i'll subscribe to the bug to watch for its fix
[15:26] <mandel> barry, here you go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-download-manager/+bug/1224538
[15:26] <mandel> barry, I have  standup but will fix the bug right after it
[15:26] <barry> mandel: sounds good
[15:26] <mandel> barry, let me know if the script works (it should)
[15:26] <slangasek> cyphermox: you should consider it covered by the Touch blanket FFe, and just upload to NEW for processing
[15:26] <lool> asac: we could make all saucy-proposed -> saucy transitions for touch-specific packages require an ack
[15:27] <cyphermox> slangasek: do you do didrocks' preNEW too?
[15:27] <slangasek> cyphermox: what's the purpose of preNEW?  It still has to be reviewed in NEW
[15:27] <barry> mandel: i get the finished signal, but it seems like the created signal doesn't get reached
[15:30] <dbarth> lool: what's up with the mp?
[15:30] <barry> mandel: i also suspect that the file may be corrupt.  the md5sum doesn't match the web page, nor of a wget'd file
[15:30] <jono> nik90 ping?
[15:30] <barry> % md5sum ~/.local/share/download_manager/{ef362f0c-849e-44ce-962e-83946fa72620}/Python-3.4.0a2.tgz
[15:30] <barry> c63372e1dd2f41248ff992a3fde7dbb0  /home/barry/.local/share/download_manager/{ef362f0c-849e-44ce-962e-83946fa72620}/Python-3.4.0a2.tgz
[15:30] <barry> % md5sum Python-3.4.0a2.tgz
[15:30] <barry> e6e81242a32e6f63d224254d24edbd2f  Python-3.4.0a2.tgz
[15:31] <barry> http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.4.0/
[15:31] <barry> mandel: ^^
[15:31] <barry> mandel: yeah, tar zxf is unhappy with the downloaded file
[15:32] <mhr3> ogra_, oh one more thing
[15:32] <mandel> barry, that looks bad, let me check after the standup
[15:32] <mhr3> ogra_, why is libunity-scopes-json-def-desktop installed? it should be -phone on the phone
[15:32] <barry> mandel: np
[15:32] <ogra_> mhr3, no idea, i didnt seed it
[15:33] <mhr3> ogra_, well it's the default, but we want the -phone one
[15:33] <cyphermox> slangasek: I know ;)
[15:34] <ogra_> mhr3, aha ! i have headings with the ubuntu-settings change now
[15:35] <didrocks> cyphermox: slangasek: preNEW is to avoid having it stuck in NEW for hours
[15:35] <didrocks> and having other daily release tick being blocked because of this
[15:35] <didrocks> so a first (deep) pass before going to new
[15:35] <mhr3> ogra_, hmm???
[15:35] <didrocks> cyphermox: you should know that btw…
[15:37] <cyphermox> didrocks: I do
[15:38] <cyphermox> didrocks: not that I particularly agree that it would change much... stuff can still stick in NEW for hours if there is nobody aware that it was already looked at, just like it can go quickly if we just poke admins as soon as it lands
[15:38] <mhall119> bzoltan: re-ping
[15:38] <cyphermox> didrocks: rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/mtp/bootstrap/+merge/185301
[15:38] <ogra_> mhr3, using the changed gconf keys  seems  to actually give me headers
[15:39] <mhall119> Kaleo: kalikiana: one of you might know too, I'm trying to find the qdoc source and .qdocconf for QtQuick2, is there a bzr branch or source package I can get that from?
[15:39] <mhr3> ogra_, that doesn't really make sense
[15:40] <ogra_> mhr3, heh, i'm just reporting what i see :) i did a testbuld of the settings package, installed it and have empty music and video scopes that both have hearder
[15:40] <lool> dbarth: I dont know whether it relates or not, but all preinstalled clicks are currently borken in the image
[15:40] <ogra_> *header
[15:40] <mhr3> ogra_, my guess is that they'll be empty after you do couple of reboots
[15:40] <lool> dbarth: I dont know whether your mp would fix it or not
[15:40]  * ogra_ tries
[15:41] <slangasek> cyphermox, didrocks: ok, well, I've (obviously) never done this before for other packages, and on the archive admin side the workflow for such pre-reviews is usually cumbersome...
[15:41] <ogra_> mhr3,
[15:41] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# apt-cache show libunity9|grep ^Depends
[15:41] <ogra_> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libdbusmenu-glib4 (>= 0.4.2), libdee-1.0-4 (>= 1.2.3~daily13.02.26), libgee2 (>= 0.5.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libunity-protocol-private0 (>= 7.1.0+13.10.20130828.1), dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend, libunity-scopes-json-def-desktop (>= 7.1.0+13.10.20130828.1-0ubuntu1) | unity-scopes-json-def
[15:42] <ogra_> mhr3, if you drop the dep to a recommends i can take care for seeding libunity-scopes-json-def-touch
[15:42] <didrocks> slangasek: why is it cumbersome? The only difference is bzr branch instead of dget -x
[15:42] <mhr3> -phone provides unity-scopes-json-def
[15:42] <mhr3> or at least should
[15:42] <didrocks> mhr3: ogra_: it does, but let me recheck
[15:43] <cwayne> stgraber, ping
[15:43] <didrocks> mhr3: ogra_: yep
[15:43] <ogra_> but i dont think it is seeded
[15:43]  * ogra_ checks
[15:44] <slangasek> didrocks: first, there's no "dget -x", we have commandline tools to manage the queue directly; second, if I want to be sure the upload is actually what was reviewed, I need to keep that checkout around between preNEW and NEW
[15:44] <stgraber> cwayne: pong
[15:44] <ogra_> yeah, isnt seeded
[15:44] <ogra_> asac, more needed seed changes ^^^
[15:44] <slangasek> though I guess, since this is sourceful NEW and any dev could upload a package after NEW with arbitrary changes anyway, I maybe shouldn't worry about that part
[15:44] <slangasek> just need to make sure the source package name hasn't changed ;)
[15:45] <cwayne> stgraber, can i get a signature please? :) https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/feifei-image/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/custom.tar.xz
[15:47] <lool> jdstrand: so I get warnings on webapps when running click hook install apparmor (after click hook remove apparmor), but I get "skipping" on them, so I agree with you it's unlikely that apparmor webapps profile generation would explain breakage of preinstalled click apps in anyway
[15:47] <jdstrand> right
[15:48] <jdstrand> I'll still help try to diagnose after the meeting though
[15:48] <jdstrand> lool: ^
[15:49] <stgraber> cwayne: sure, one sec
[15:50] <stgraber> cwayne: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097574/
[15:51] <cyphermox> didrocks: +27? :D
[15:51] <cwayne> stgraber, thank you sir
[15:52] <didrocks> cyphermox: as the revision you gave :)
[15:52] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:52] <didrocks> slangasek: yeah, it's a first pass to get things fixed as I mentionned
[15:52] <didrocks> slangasek: it's not then "just put the button without checking nothing change" grant
[15:53] <didrocks> just avoiding to go to a line of several hours waiting
[15:53] <slangasek> didrocks: well, and the fact that it's *not* "just push the button in NEW" means from my POV it would be twice the work :)
[15:53] <slangasek> but ok
[15:54] <slangasek> cyphermox: what do you want me to review?
[15:54] <barry> mandel: just a heads up that i'm going to get some lunch now.  bbs.
[15:54] <anders3408> iBotPeaches: you here ?
[15:55] <McShaz> Hi everywhere
[15:55] <mandel> barry, ok, I'm close to my eod today.. I'l try to fix everything asap (I have rugby today, sorry)
[15:55] <McShaz> I'm a new user on Ubuntu Touch
[15:55] <McShaz> :)
[15:55] <barry> mandel: sounds good.  do you want me to file bugs?  or if you file them, feel free to subscribe me
[15:55] <didrocks> slangasek: from experience, almost nothing change (at least, packaging-wise), so it's really few minutes, if you feel it's taking the same time for you, please review it in the end
[15:56] <didrocks> slangasek: I just hope we won't have too much "add the components to dailies/remove it/readd it/remove it…"
[15:56] <cyphermox> slangasek: lp:mtp
[15:56] <mandel> barry, I have not, I'll investigate and then file the bug
[15:57] <barry> mandel: sounds good.  i'll watch the subscriptions then
[15:57] <cyphermox> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/cupstream2distro-config/enalbe-mtp/+merge/185310 for when slangasek gives a go
[15:57] <mandel> barry, will ping you with any info I have
[15:57] <barry> +1
[15:58] <didrocks> cyphermox: check with sil2100, he migrated some head jobs AFAIK
[15:58] <didrocks> and it's merged
[15:58] <didrocks> between n and n+1
[15:58] <cyphermox> the what?
[15:58] <didrocks> cyphermox: discuss with him
[15:59] <didrocks> cyphermox: you change something which are on "to_transition"
[15:59] <didrocks> not the saucy release
[15:59] <jdstrand> lool: can you tell me what phablet-flash command I should use to get my nexus7 to show the click regression you are seeing?
[16:00] <lool> jdstrand: not sure it happens on grouper, I've seen it on mako
[16:00] <lool> jdstrand: ./phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel daily-proposed --no-backup -d mako
[16:00] <lool> jdstrand: I have actually *upgraded* to get into a broken state; haven't tried reflashing from scratch like above command will do
[16:00] <McShaz> The "Whosthere" project is finally dead?
[16:00] <dbarth> lool: the patch moves to the non-experimental apparmor profile indeed, and adds some new flags for the webapp container
[16:00] <cyphermox> didrocks: ETOOMANYCHANGES
[16:01] <cyphermox> sil2100: poke --> https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/cupstream2distro-config/enalbe-mtp/+merge/185310
[16:01] <jdstrand> lool: let me just try to dist-upgrade grouper then. note on dogfooding-- I only have 1 phone and am dogfooding it-- losing all my data over and over again is a real pain (switching channels, switching to ubuntu-system)
[16:02] <McShaz> For this plataform is necessary a client for Whastapp
[16:02] <McShaz> I don't comprendly the developers
[16:02] <jdstrand> I'll figure out some backup strategy
[16:02] <asac> ogra_: what isnt seeded?
[16:03] <asac> who is the requestor
[16:03] <jdstrand> lool: so, your device right now shows the regression, correct?
[16:03] <kenvandine> tyhicks, i'm looking at app confinement and content-hub
[16:03] <lool> jdstrand: correct
[16:03] <lool> jdstrand: can't launch stuff
[16:03] <kenvandine> is it possible for a confined app to register a name on the bus?
[16:03] <McShaz> Thank's for all, I see a good people here :O
[16:03] <lool> jdstrand: if I qmlscene from adb shell sudo -u phablet -i, it doesn't show up
[16:04] <lool> jdstrand: if I qmlscene from terminal, it works
[16:04] <ogra_> asac, dropping the demos actually makes the shell lack a bunch of stuff and we need to pull in the proper replacement packages
[16:04] <lool> now trying aa-launch from terminal
[16:04] <ogra_> asac, Saviq and mhr3 are the requesters
[16:04] <jdstrand> lool: so let's backup. disregarding webapps and preinstalled packages, can you run xda-developers or fate dice?
[16:04] <jdstrand> lool: running from adb shell I think is known. I've not been able to do that
[16:05] <pmcgowan> lool, my experience is that -u phablet is not sufificient, it does not pick up ENV
[16:05] <asac> ogra_: we have discussed how they request such changes
[16:05] <jdstrand> lool: (ever)
[16:05] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: yeah
[16:05] <asac> we have a coordination spreadsheet now... lool will send around more info to everyone
[16:05] <asac> later
[16:05] <lool> pmcgowan: it picks some and has worked somehow in the past, but this time seems to be over indeed
[16:05] <lool> jdstrand: so I can confirm it works with aa too
[16:05] <lool> jdstrand: so not directly aa related
[16:05] <ogra_> asac, well, i would like to get the shell functional again
[16:05] <lool> jdstrand: must be something broken with the way unity launches app
[16:05] <lool> jdstrand: but e.g. gallery app launches
[16:05] <ogra_> asac, i tested all changes locally, works fine
[16:05] <jdstrand> lool: ok, so that is nice to hear :)
[16:06] <jdstrand> lool: can you try installing xda-developers from the app store?
[16:06] <jdstrand> lool: actually, hello world
[16:07] <lool> jdstrand: not getting any results right now; let me reboot and retry
[16:08] <ogra_> asac, the shell regressed pretty heavily with removing the demo stuff ... i can imagine that might also affect testing, so it would be good to get that fixed fast
[16:08] <jdstrand> lool: I have found that sometimes my mako device will not start things sometimes, but after reboot it does. I don't know why and don't have a reproducer (ie, I don't even have to update and all of a sudden Ican't launch stuff)
[16:09] <jdstrand> I haven't seen that on grouper, but I don't use grouper like I do mako (I only use grouper for testing)
[16:10] <lool> jdstrand: installing hello world got an "No manifest found blah" after install
[16:11] <lool> Sorry, I mean after pressing Open
[16:11] <jdstrand> interesting
[16:11] <jdstrand> lool: did the package unpack in /opt/click.ubuntu.com?
[16:12] <sergiusens> jdstrand, lool I launched start application APP_ID=com.ubuntu.sudoku_sudoku_0.4.3 and it turns out it shows up on the background
[16:13] <sergiusens> xda forums launches fine
[16:13] <cyphermox> slangasek: I can see pain in our future... I didn't notice before now that there is already a libmtp that exists.. as libmtp-dev is used both for this code and for the "initiator" libmtp project from sourceforge
[16:14] <cyphermox> I'll rename the library to mtpserver I guess
[16:14] <lool> sergiusens: I dont see it in the unity app list if I do that
[16:14] <lool> application-click (com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.8) start/running, process 2721
[16:15] <lool> poor beuno is getting pinged whenever we paste click hello world package name  :-)
[16:15] <sergiusens> lool, yeah something is busted, can you ps -ef|grep beuno and see if the app has the --desktop_file_hint param
[16:15] <lool> jdstrand: I see com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world in click list
[16:15] <lool> jdstrand: and /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world/current is populated
[16:15] <sergiusens> lool, it opened fine from the click scope, but not the app scope
[16:16] <lool> phablet   2721   856  0 16:14 ?        00:00:00 /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene $@ hello_world.qml --desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.8.desktop
[16:16] <lool> that's the one I've start-ed
[16:16] <sergiusens> lool, I'm starting to wonder if it's a unity8 thing
[16:16] <lool> don't see the other ones
[16:16] <lool> sergiusens: I think it is
[16:17] <lool> sergiusens: who's the best person to help with tihs?
[16:17] <lool> sergiusens: ricm or ted?
[16:17] <jdstrand> lool: what happens if you do: start application APP_ID=com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.8
[16:18] <lool> jdstrand: this is what I had tried on sergiusens' suggestion
[16:18] <lool> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ start application APP_ID=com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.8
[16:18] <lool> application start/running, process 2703
[16:18] <jdstrand> ok good
[16:18] <jdstrand> lool: what is the output of 'sudo aa-status |grep hello'
[16:18] <lool> jdstrand: so it starts when I run it with upstart, but unity doesn't know about it, and unity can't start it
[16:18] <lool>    com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.8
[16:18] <lool>    com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.8 (2721)
[16:18] <jdstrand> lool: right, I'm just trying to rule out a bunch of things
[16:19] <lool> shows up in profile in enforce mode and in processes in enforce mode
[16:19] <lool> jdstrand: yup, thanks
[16:19] <jdstrand> lool: ok, good, so we know that click installs it correctly. we know that click-apparmor does its thing, and we know that upstart app launch can tie it all together
[16:19] <lool> ricmm, tedg: We have a major regressionin starting apps in the latest image; how could we check what unity8 is doing?
[16:19] <jdstrand> lool: the next thing is the .desktop file
[16:20] <tedg> lool, Is the latest image Mir based?
[16:20] <jdstrand> lool: I don't know if unity8 is using upstart-app-launch yet or not
[16:20] <sergiusens> jdstrand, lool Saviq if you stop unity8 && --desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.8.desktop
[16:20] <sergiusens> it works just fine
[16:20] <sergiusens> tedg, mir isn't enabled b default
[16:20] <tedg> Oh, okay.
[16:21] <tedg> Do we do we use the same application management code in both cases?
[16:21] <sergiusens> tedg, can you proposed your fix so we get icons btw?
[16:21] <lool> tedg: no
[16:21] <sergiusens> tedg, not sure about the code paths, but it's the same packages
[16:21] <wellsb> Is this discussion about click packages failing to launch?
[16:21] <jdstrand> tedg: no. iirc, unity8 and qtubuntu share code
[16:22] <jdstrand> wellsb: yes
[16:22] <tedg> sergiusens, ahead of you man :-)  https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/icon-existing/+merge/185298
[16:22] <asac> Saviq: ogra_: we just discussed a new process about coordinating landings that doesnt involve pinging etc.
[16:22] <tedg> lool, So if it's using upstart-app-launch you can use upstart-app-watch to see the apps start/stop
[16:22] <asac> a mail will go out very soon
[16:22] <jdstrand> tedg: make that unity-mir and qtubuntu
[16:22] <tedg> lool, But I'm not sure if it is or not yet.
[16:22] <sergiusens> tedg, thanks
[16:22] <asac> so lets apply that process for whatever you want to do
[16:23]  * jdstrand looks at qtubuntu
[16:23] <lool> tedg: how do I use upstart-app-watch?
[16:23] <bzoltan> mhall119:  pong
[16:23] <lool> tedg: I'm not even sure unity8 is starting anything
[16:23] <tedg> lool, You run it, and it prints out strings
[16:24] <lool> tedg: it's not a package and it's not a command in the image
[16:24] <tedg> lool, Ah, it's in upstart-app-launch-tools
[16:24] <mhall119> bzoltan: hey, what's the best source to get QtQuick qdocs as they apply to the Ubuntu SDK offering?
[16:24] <mhall119> bzoltan: right now I'm using lp:ubuntu/qtdeclarative-opensource-src
[16:24] <mhall119> which seems to work well enough for my needs
[16:25] <jdstrand> lool: there is a lot of stuff in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/149921303/qtubuntu_0.52%2B13.10.20130821-0ubuntu1_0.52%2B13.10.20130910.7-0ubuntu1.diff.gz that looks like might be related to a regression here
[16:25] <bzoltan> mhall119: I really do not know much about that
[16:25] <tedg> lool, I'm not sure how to check what Unity8 is doing there.  But in the same tools package there is a command line utility to launch an AppID, which should do the same thing that Unity8 is/will do
[16:25] <jdstrand> looks like 0.52+13.10.20130821-0ubuntu1 was in saucy up until tuesday
[16:25] <lool> jdstrand: so stracing unity-home-scope and unity8 for trace=process or trace=file shows *nothing* when trying to tap e.g. Stock Ticker
[16:25] <mhall119> bzoltan: I'm working on http://91.189.93.79/api/qml/13.10/
[16:25] <slangasek> cyphermox: ok - let me know when you've renamed it so I can review?
[16:25] <mhall119> which will include Qt Quick API docs
[16:27] <lool> jdstrand: this definitely looks like it
[16:27] <jdstrand> lool: at this point, I am out of my depth. I think we need to ask greyback or Saviq about these
[16:27] <lool> greyback: around?
[16:27] <lool> jdstrand: yeah definitely
[16:27] <greyback> lool: yes
[16:27] <lool> greyback: we're facing a "critical" regression in the latest image
[16:27] <lool> greyback: preinstalled click packages dont launch
[16:27] <greyback> lool: I've a patch here: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtubuntu/fix-click-packages/+merge/185316
[16:28] <lool> greyback: we've ruled out apparmor, and we can start apps manually with both upstart and qmlscene
[16:28] <greyback> I just need to test it
[16:28] <lool> great
[16:28] <anders3408> lool : hopefully not preinstall package from yesterday the 10. that are released ?
[16:28] <lool> greyback: how long will that take you?
[16:28] <jdstrand> lool: ok, at this point I am not needed for this any more, correct? will you handle it from here?
[16:29] <lool> anders3408: not sure what you mean
[16:29] <lool> jdstrand: yes; thanks!
[16:29] <greyback> lool: I'm just reflashing device now, so under 30 mins to compile and check
[16:29] <anders3408> preinstalled click packages dont launch
[16:29] <lool> greyback: who usually reviews your branches?
[16:29] <jdstrand> lool: np. can you brief rickspencer3 at some appropriate time?
[16:29] <greyback> lool: either ricmm or mzanetti can
[16:29] <lool> jdstrand: yes
[16:29] <jdstrand> thanks
[16:29] <anders3408> lool those images : saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip
[16:29] <lool> greyback: can I ask them to prereview this?
[16:30] <greyback> lool: sure. I'll poke mzanetti now, I know he can
[16:30] <lool> anders3408: this doens't tell me anything about the version of that file
[16:30] <mzanetti> so... do you
[16:30] <anders3408> sorry lool 10-Sep-2013 16:52  362M
[16:30] <lool> anders3408: basically if you use the stable images (ubuntu_system/system-image daily, or cdimage_touch/cdimage current) you're safe
[16:30] <mhall119> any ETA on when setting the background image will be working?  It seems that almost everything is in place for it
[16:30] <lool> anders3408: that's good, dont worry
[16:31] <mhall119> setting it via system-settings I mean, not CLI
[16:31] <anders3408> whats the diff between cdimage and ubuntu images ?
[16:31] <mhall119> anders3408: ubuntu-system is read-only system image
[16:31] <lool> anders3408: https://www.stgraber.org/2013/09/05/ubuntu-touch-system-images-now-default/
[16:31] <mhall119> cdimage-touch is read-write
[16:32] <lool> mzanetti: Hey, as noted above, this is candidate patch / mp possibly fixing a critical bug we're chasing; if you could prereview the code changes that would be great
[16:32] <anders3408> so ubuntu_touch images are recommended, also when trying to bring ubuntu touch to a new device ?
[16:32] <lool> mzanetti: (dont approve the mp before greyback completes his testing though  :-)
[16:32] <anders3408> very much like mako
[16:33] <cjwatson> lool: I'll probably be going out in the not too distant future; if this turns out to be a regression in click itself please SMS me
[16:33] <lool> anders3408: no, they are recommended for end-users; there are only system-images for nexus devices, not other devices
[16:33] <lool> cjwatson: ok; thanks for the offer, hopefully wont need to
[16:34] <tedg> jdstrand, So we use indicator-applet-developers for basically what you're asking there.  It is "the part of canonical that does stuff like this".
[16:34] <anders3408> oh lool , so its wrong im using : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip ?  or ?
[16:34] <tedg> jdstrand, The name is obviously legacy :-)
[16:34] <anders3408> for oppo find 5
[16:35] <mzanetti> lool: looks fine to me (just reading through it) as I did _exactly_ the same in the launcher to find click apps
[16:35] <tedg> jdstrand, Does that work for the MIR?
[16:35] <mzanetti> lool: thing is, that was approved by greyback :D
[16:35] <wellsb> lool: Out of curiosity, are you able to ssh to your device?  That broke on my device the same time the click issue arose
[16:37] <mfisch> pmcgowan: we should chat today about customization, I'd like to bring you or someone on your team up to speed on the status and methods we're using
[16:38] <jdstrand> tedg: well, I think the main goal is that if a bug is filed it ends up on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-s-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[16:39] <jdstrand> tedg: if you want to add indicator-applet-developers to that list or have it be added to some higher group, you can coordinate with your manager and/or slangasek
[16:39] <jdstrand> s/higher group/higher group that is/
[16:39] <jdstrand> tedg: but I think for the MIR that is fine, but can you follow-up on making sure indicator-applet-developers bugs end up on that list?
[16:40] <lool> anders3408: no that's good
[16:40] <anders3408> lool good :) thanks
[16:41] <lool> mzanetti: lol
[16:41] <tedg> jdstrand, Yeah, I can.  I'm not sure if there's another team we should be using, but we've been using indicator-applet-developers so far...
[16:41] <anders3408> lool are you good for looking at a syslog on device bringup ?
[16:41] <tedg> jdstrand, Perhaps we should switch all of them?
[16:41] <jdstrand> tedg: thanks, maybe? :)
[16:41] <lool> ralsina, alecu: So I'm getting a manifest error upon installation of hello-world app; I suspect it's another regression in the way we launch apps; the click installed fine, but doens't launch
[16:42] <cjwatson> "manifest error"?
[16:42] <lool> rsalveti, alecu: Do I understand correctly that click-scope still has its own launch logic, duplicated from the unity one?
[16:42] <mzanetti> lool: but I've tested it for a while and would say we're good.. also the finding of the icon is acked by cjwatson.
[16:42] <mpt> kenvandine, I see you're the registrant of <https://launchpad.net/notes-app>. Do you have a link to the design spec please?
[16:42] <lool> anders3408: sorry no, am chasing other rabbits right now
[16:43] <anders3408> ahh okay lool :)
[16:43] <slangasek> tedg, jdstrand: pmcgowan has ~unity-api-bugs set up in launchpad for this purpose, unless there's actually a different team responsible for indicators than the Unity API team, please use that
[16:43] <kenvandine> mpt, no... i don't, sorry... that was part of a mass registration
[16:43] <lool> dbarth: who's usually reviewing your webapps-demo changes?
[16:44] <lool> dbarth: Could you make sure this lands super quickly?  like in the next hour or so
[16:44] <lool> wellsb: I didn't try ssh-ing into my device; I still use mainly adb
[16:45] <tedg> mpt, Cimi might know where the notes app design spec is.
[16:45] <lool> cjwatson: actual error is "No manifest found xyz"
[16:45] <tedg> slangasek, K, works for me.
[16:46] <lool> cjwatson: after pressing "Open" once a click install completed from click scope
[16:46] <cjwatson> lool: OK, not an error from click itself then
[16:46] <lool> cjwatson: no, the click it correctly unpacked in /opt/click.u.c and shows up in click list
[16:46] <lool> well, can't rule out some error
[16:46] <lool> but basics seem to be there
[16:47] <cjwatson> updating the backend for "click list" is pretty much the last thing
[16:47] <lool> [unity-scope-click] - DEBUG: click-scope.vala:161: action started: open_click
[16:47] <lool> [unity-scope-click] - DEBUG: click-scope.vala:183: Error building preview: No manifest found for app_id: ar.com.beuno.hello-world
[16:47] <cjwatson> so that's usually an excellent sign
[16:47] <lool> alecu, ralsina: I'm getting above log
[16:48] <lool> alecu, ralsina: Full log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097810/
[16:48] <cjwatson> lool: pastebin "click list --manifest" please?
[16:49] <lool> sergiusens: I see you reviewed dbarth's last update to webapps-demo, would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/webapps-demo/click-packages-take-two/+merge/185212 ?
[16:49] <kgunn> asac: is the intent to share that worksheet of "landing requests" to all the developers ?
[16:49] <lool> sergiusens: would like to fix all click and apparmor issues + warnings for tonight's build
[16:49] <kgunn> e.g. give them all write access
[16:50] <lool> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097822/
[16:51] <cjwatson> lool: no ar.com.beuno.hello-world mentioned there
[16:51] <cjwatson> only com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world
[16:51] <lool> cjwatson: oh
[16:52] <lool> I might have scanned for the wrong hello world
[16:52] <lool> that's bad
[16:52] <sergiusens> lool, I'm lost with that, I was using xnox packages
[16:52] <tedg> slangasek, Ah, I'm not an admin for that team.  Can you subscribe it here?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart-app-launch
[16:52] <lool> sergiusens: lost with what? webapps-demo?
[16:53] <sergiusens> lool, yes
[16:53] <lool> sergiusens: so jdstrand explained that the template name changed; the -experiemntal wasn't meant to be used
[16:53] <lool> beuno also reviewed a queue of webapps in the appstore which switched to new template IIUC
[16:53] <lool> I guess it's good to land
[16:54] <lool> beuno, jdstrand: Any objection to landing https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/webapps-demo/click-packages-take-two/+merge/185212 ?
[16:54] <sergiusens> lool, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/+bug/1223945
[16:54] <lool> cjwatson: with another app (xda-developers), I get no error on Open -- nothing happens
[16:54] <lool> alecu, ralsina ^
[16:54] <beuno> lool, I'm good from the server side
[16:55] <cjwatson> lool: If it's downloaded it somewhere then you could try "pkcon install-local foo.click" and see if that installs it; that would narrow down where the problem is
[16:55] <lool> sergiusens: Oh right, you're saying we don't need it anymore since we're switching to click; yes, +1 !
[16:55] <lool> sergiusens: but how do we ensure the new click use the right template?  are you getting them from appstore?
[16:56] <xnox> and the clicks in the store with the updated correct apparmor template are currently still pending review.
[16:56] <xnox> version number: 2.
[16:56] <cwayne> stgraber, hey, ive got a question about phablet-flash, can you pass a date to --revision
[16:57] <lool> cjwatson: so on hello-world (ar. one), pkcon completes with: Installed       com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app-0.1.7  summary goes here
[16:57] <lool> cjwatson: but package doesnt show up in clicklist
[16:57] <lool> cjwatson: the xda app is listed in click list though
[16:58] <lool> cjwatson: may I click install ar.com.beuno.hello-world_0.8_unknown.click?noauth=1 directly to get a direct report?
[16:58] <lool> hmm why "unknown"
[16:58] <lool> one is ar.com.beuno.hello-world_0.8_unknown.click?noauth=1 the other is com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app-0.1.7.click?noauth=1
[17:00] <sergiusens> cwayne, yes,not a date, a version
[17:00] <lool> sergiusens, jdstrand, beuno: So actually rejecting https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/webapps-demo/click-packages-take-two/+merge/185212 since we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/+bug/1223945
[17:01] <slangasek> tedg: done
[17:01] <jdstrand> wfm
[17:01] <cwayne> sergiusens, how can i get the version number of a specific build?
[17:02] <lool> cwayne: system-image-cli -i
[17:02] <beuno> ack
[17:02] <lool> cwayne: oh before installing
[17:02] <lool> cwayne: look at the json?
[17:02] <lool> cwayne: there's a script for the latest version
[17:03] <cwayne> lool, yeah, i want to get a specific known working version though :)
[17:03] <lool> cwayne: "./utils/check-latest mako" from lp:~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/server
[17:03] <cwayne> system-image-cli -i works, thanks
[17:03] <lool> cwayne: you could probably pathc check-latest to take a --revision argument or output a list of revisions
[17:03] <sergiusens> cwayne, I don't have that tooled now, but...you can manually https://system-image.ubuntu.com/daily/maguro/index.json
[17:03] <lool> sergiusens: please patch existing script if you want to tool it  :-)
[17:04] <lool> greyback: how are things going with testing?
[17:05] <greyback> lool: just finished compiling
[17:05] <sergiusens> lool, it's in the plans
[17:05] <cjwatson> lool: should be able to
[17:05] <cjwatson> lool: well
[17:05] <sergiusens> lool, just trying to get out of breakage mode
[17:05] <cjwatson> lool: wait, what
[17:05] <cjwatson> 17:57 <lool> cjwatson: so on hello-world (ar. one), pkcon completes with: Installed       com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app-0.1.7  summary goes here
[17:05] <cjwatson> do you literally mean that you installed hello-world and it told you it had installed xda-developers?
[17:05] <cjwatson> you might want to check that the files are in the right place :)
[17:06] <lool> sergiusens: which breakage specifically?  the qtubuntu one to launch preinstalled clicks?
[17:06] <sergiusens> lool, click in general
[17:06] <cwayne> is there any update on the click package icon issue?
[17:06] <greyback> lool: yep works
[17:06] <lool> cjwatson: OMG, copy-paste error
[17:07] <greyback> mzanetti: ^^
[17:07] <lool> cjwatson: Installed       com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world-0.8      summary goes here
[17:07] <lool> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097873/ of click list afterwards
[17:07] <lool> after pkcon install-local ar.com.beuno.hello-world_0.8_unknown.click\?noauth\=1 that is
[17:07] <lool> doing click install now
[17:08] <cjwatson> don't
[17:08] <ogra_> mhr3, with unity-scope-video-remote installed, clicking the play button on the video hardlocks the phone ... i think we cant seed that yet (i assume local videos will still be shown even without the scope ?)
[17:08] <cjwatson> wait
[17:08] <ogra_> Saviq, ^^^
[17:08] <lool> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6097880/
[17:08] <lool> cjwatson: ups sorry
[17:09] <cjwatson> lool: so therefore ar.com.beuno.hello-world_0.8_unknown.click in fact contains com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world.  Nothing to see here :)
[17:09] <mhr3> ogra_, in that case clicking anything from home scope search will do the same
[17:09] <cjwatson> (or review bug)
[17:09] <lool> beuno: ^
[17:09] <lool> beuno: could we drop this from appstore and/or fix it?
[17:09] <mhr3> ogra_, ie bug in url-dispatcher
[17:09] <ogra_> jdstrand, so asac pointed me to you to talk about lightdm landing ... we need lightdm to make logind work to in turn have policykit not being open to the world in cases where we had to hack that up (i.e. click package, NM etc)
[17:09] <greyback> lool: good news, click packages now start. Bad news, each one appears twice in the running apps list.
[17:10] <greyback> just for click apps, not normal ones
[17:10] <tedg> slangasek, Thanks!
[17:10] <lool> greyback: I had app list issues before that too
[17:10] <lool> greyback: ah
[17:10] <lool> greyback: let's start with landing this change then
[17:10] <lool> mzanetti: ^ could you ack the mp now?
[17:10] <greyback> lool: ack, and I'll persue that problem next
[17:11] <lool> greyback: thanks; would you update me here once you understand the issue?
[17:11] <greyback> lool: you got it
[17:11] <lool> greyback: I'll probably disappear for a bit for dinner
[17:11] <lool> greyback: thanks
[17:11] <ogra_> mhr3, clicking anything ? all other bits seem to work fine, even from search ... i'm pretty sure it just tries to play the video in a way that we dont support
[17:11] <mhr3> ssweeny, ok, the customizations wiki page should be complete, let me know if something doesn't work from there
[17:12] <mhr3> ssweeny, (well once the latest code lands...)
[17:12] <ogra_> mhr3, note that we have no youtube support at all ... all videos in that scope seem to be youtube ones
[17:12] <sergiusens> lool, cjwatson seems ricmm is onto something
[17:12] <ogra_> he pretends to at least :)
[17:12] <sergiusens> lool, jdstrand apps are crashing on launch
[17:12] <sergiusens> cwd from the crash doesn't match the Path entry
[17:13] <mhr3> ogra_, all the video results do is use xdg-open equivalent to open an http link
[17:13] <anders3408> ogra_ or lool how long should it take to first bootup after a new flash ?
[17:13] <mhr3> ogra_, all the results from the server in home scope are doing the same thing
[17:13] <ogra_> mhr3, right, but there is no XDG app for youtube
[17:13] <mhr3> ogra_, but there is http handler
[17:13] <ssweeny> mhr3, great
[17:14] <ogra_> mhr3, might be, nothing else hardlocks the device though (it even locks adb)
[17:14] <xnox> sergiusens: looks like apps have been reviewed and published in store now, e.g.  https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/package/net.launchpad.click-webapps.amazon reports v2 download link.
[17:14] <xnox> sergiusens: didn't propagate to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/ yet though.
[17:14] <sergiusens> xnox, then we just need to wait for the cron to kick in
[17:15] <mhr3> ogra_, can you open for example a foursquare result?
[17:15] <xnox> sergiusens: =)
[17:15] <ogra_> whats a foursquare result ?
[17:15] <mhr3> ogra_, search for "london" in home and click something from "Info" category
[17:15] <sergiusens> xnox, cjwatson set the cron, it's on lillypilly; you might be able to find it
[17:16] <ogra_> doesnt bring up anything
[17:16] <ogra_> (teh search)
[17:16] <ogra_> oh, wait, thanks to the broken indicator i have no wlan
[17:16] <mhr3> ogra_, how could you then see any results for videos? :P
[17:17] <jdstrand> ogra_: oh, right, I forgot about click
[17:17] <jdstrand> (and nm tbh)
[17:17] <jdstrand> we may not pop up any policy dialogs on touch, but policykit is being used all over behind the scenes
[17:18] <jdstrand> ogra_: that's accurate, correct ^
[17:18] <cjwatson> 11 0,6,12,18 * * *      /home/sergiusens/click_ready/click_copy.py https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com ~/public_html/click_packages
[17:18] <cjwatson> sergiusens,xnox: Running it for you now
[17:18] <ogra_> jdstrand, right
[17:18] <cjwatson> xnox: That good enough now?
[17:18] <sergiusens> cjwatson, thanks... I guess xnox has access to that user
[17:19] <cjwatson> No
[17:19] <ogra_> jdstrand, and currently cjwatson ships something that overrides PK security on click, logind would make that obsolete
[17:19] <sergiusens> so it's for his info
[17:19] <cjwatson> It's ubuntu-archive
[17:19] <sergiusens> ah
[17:19] <ogra_> (same for NM ... and i'm not sure for how many other bits)
[17:19] <cjwatson> ogra_,jdstrand: yeah, would be more than happy to remove that once I can
[17:19] <ogra_> cjwatson, ++
[17:19] <sergiusens> xnox, you need more deBeloper points it seems ;-)
[17:20] <lool> sergiusens: there is a segfault if you just qmlscene unknown-file.qml
[17:20] <lool> sergiusens: so the cwd is definitely the first thing to fix
[17:20] <beuno> lool, not sure what I need to do?
[17:20] <lool> sergiusens: this requires a patch to qtubuntu to read it from .desktop properly IIRC
[17:20] <lool> beuno: there's a mismatch in appstore between name of the file and contents of the package
[17:20] <sergiusens> lool, seems it's already being tracked https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtubuntu/fix-click-packages/+merge/185316
[17:20] <lool> beuno: for a hello-world package
[17:21] <beuno> lool, ack, I'll take are of that after lunch
[17:21] <ogra_> jdstrand, beyond that lightdm would indeed allow us to remove the overly hackish ubuntu session upstart jobs
[17:21] <lool> beuno: ar.com.beuno.hello-world_0.8_unknown.click?noauth=1 contains com.ubuntu.hello-world
[17:21] <lool> sergiusens: yes, that's the can't start preinstalled click thing I've been chasing
[17:21] <beuno> that's... odd
[17:21] <cjwatson> lool: make that com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world
[17:21] <lool> sergiusens: greyback completed testing, see above, and mzanetti is to ack the mp
[17:22] <mzanetti> lool: yeah... running a test run before...
[17:22] <xnox> sergiusens: cjwatson: excellent, thanks. all up-to-date now.
[17:22] <sergiusens> lool, and then there's https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/icon-existing/+merge/185298
[17:22] <lool> sergiusens: greyback discovered another issue after the fix that apps show up twice in running list
[17:22] <sergiusens> lool, that was already reported by cwayne I think
[17:23] <ogra_> mhr3, so after reboot and with working network, the search works, clicking on anything in "info" doesnt have any effect at all though (but also doesnt hardlock anything)
[17:23] <lool> cwayne: how long did you get the issue of clicks appearing multiple times in the running list?  do you have it in "current"/daily/stable?
[17:23] <ogra_> hmm, pressing play doesnt either anymore :(
[17:24] <lool> sergiusens: Ack; I think I saw it took, but not sure it's exactly the same
[17:24] <cwayne> lool, let me check
[17:24] <mhr3> ogra_, yet doing that in video does lock it up?
[17:24] <cwayne> ive been seeing it for some time now (like a week)
[17:24] <cwayne> lool, yep, just installed daily and i see it
[17:24] <cjwatson> yeah, likewise, not with preinstalled ones either
[17:24] <cjwatson> I think alecu said that was known
[17:24] <ogra_> mhr3, no, not anymore ...
[17:25] <ogra_> oh, now it did
[17:25] <mhr3> ogra_, lovely
[17:26] <ogra_> took a while
[17:28] <ogra_> mhr3, so either we disable the video lens altogether or at least omit the remote videos (assuming the youtube format makes the player hardlock the device)
[17:28] <lool> cwayne: thanks
[17:30] <ogra_> ricmm, could you try replacing libunity-scopes-json-def-desktop with libunity-scopes-json-def-phone durign your testing ?
[17:34] <anders3408> ogra_: do you have time to look at this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6098007/ its the issue from yesterday
[17:34] <mhr3> ogra_, trying to rep
[17:34] <mhr3> but i'm getting fricking empty headers now
[17:35] <anders3408> first : powerd[494]: Running on find5  but then later on same bootup : powerd[1049]: Could not determine device, running without config
[17:36] <anders3408> also init fails : init: cannot find '/system/bin/* on all
[17:36] <anders3408> but /system is mounted
[17:38] <ogra_> asac, ok, replacing libunity-scopes-json-def-desktop with the libunity-scopes-json-def-phone does not break any tests (you asked me to prove that to you, ricmm just did)
[17:39] <anders3408> does ubuntu touch needs some binder changes in kernel ? as same kernel in cm10.1 gives not somethihng like this : peirs debug:biner:error code:29189, code-str:BR_DEAD_REPLY, end
[17:40] <anders3408> binder: 657:657 transaction failed 29189, size 100-0
[17:40] <anders3408> one process also termintated : init: plymouth-stop pre-start process (917) terminated with status 1
[17:43] <lool> alecu, ralsina: So to sum up: there were two issues: one with hello-world which was broken package (beuno to fix RSN), and another one with other clicks which don't launch, but I think it's the same issue as for preinstalled clicks
[17:43] <alecu> hi lool
[17:44] <alecu> lool: is this on the RO image or the RW one?
[17:46] <linuxperia> Hi. I want to Port Ubuntu Touch to a MTK6516 Smart Phone Device. Have all stuff installed but need assistance with building the kernel. Maybe Adroid even can be skipped as from my knoweledge a linux Kernel Version for MTK6516 Device exist => http://sourceforge.net/projects/alcatel/files/OT_6010A_20130626.tar.xz/download
[17:47] <ogra_> anders3408, sorry, life is just a bit crazy today
[17:47] <anders3408> oh :(
[17:47] <anders3408> ogra_:  just one quicky : is it pre-start.sh script that makes : LXC_ROOTFS_PATH ?
[17:48] <ogra_> yes
[17:48] <anders3408> but mine errors out with error 1
[17:49] <anders3408> but i dont see why as : elif [ -e /boot/android-ramdisk.img ]; that file exsis
[17:49] <ogra_> mhr3, hmm, for some reason libunity-scopes-json-def-desktop came back into my install ... i wonder if playback hung because of this
[17:49] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch Nexus 7 (2013) | http://askubuntu.com/q/344761
[17:49] <alecu> lool: (catching up with the backlog): yes, the click scope having code to launch apps will be fixed after some refactor that I expect to land next week. It's https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-scope-click/+bug/1217046
[17:50]  * ogra_ tries to trigger the issue again
[17:50] <jdstrand> ogra_: so, to be crystal clear. right now lightdm is not on touch therefore any policy kit policy that is on the device is not being enforced in any manner. we need to land lightdm to get logind which then gives us policykit
[17:50] <mhr3> ogra_, no, it's just a .json file
[17:50] <ogra_> mhr3, k
[17:51] <ogra_> jdstrand, exactly ... and mterry has all bits and pieces ready, they could land
[17:51] <jdstrand> ogra_: right, thanks for the info
[17:52] <ogra_> mhr3, right, i got it hanging again ... note that i'm testing on maguro btw
[17:52] <mhr3> me too
[17:52] <mhr3> but i can't get it to hang, cause i can get the headers to show up
[17:57] <cyphermox> didrocks: if you can still do a quick review: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/mtp/lib-rename/+merge/185329
[17:58] <cyphermox> didrocks: I'm about to deploy the stack changes, starting with the saucy stuff, but they're also about to start
[17:59] <jdstrand> cyphermox: ogra_ tells me that policykit is totally broken on touch because lightdm hasn't landed. lightdm allows for logind, which gives us policykit. how is network-manager working without policykit?
[18:00] <cyphermox> jdstrand: there's a workaround in place for now
[18:00] <cyphermox> but normally, "not well"
[18:00] <cyphermox> actually... that's not entirely true. it works quite well, you just need to be root to tell it to do anything
[18:00] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: what's the workaround?
[18:00] <jdstrand> cyphermox: what does the workaround do? just let it go merrily on its way?
[18:01] <cyphermox> jdstrand: mdeslaur: rsalveti and slangasek know the details -- a diverted policy file ...
[18:01] <jdstrand> ah, so that is broken functionality as opposed to wide open
[18:01] <jdstrand> slangasek, rsalveti: hi! :)
[18:02] <cyphermox> ah, so right
[18:02] <jdstrand> slangasek, rsalveti: I'm trying to understand the security implications of what we have now with policykit not working
[18:02] <sergiusens> plars, doanac asac can we trigger a retest on te images
[18:02] <cyphermox> jdstrand: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.conf
[18:02] <cyphermox> on the device is just set to allow= true
[18:02] <rsalveti> jdstrand: check lxc-android-config
[18:02] <rsalveti> yeah
[18:02] <cyphermox> allow_any true, I mean
[18:02] <rsalveti> I believe we'll get lightdm soon
[18:02] <cwayne> stgraber, ping
[18:02] <jdstrand> rsalveti: so all of the overrides are in lxc-android-config?
[18:02] <cyphermox> so yes, just lets it merrily go about it's way
[18:03] <cyphermox> yup
[18:03] <rsalveti> jdstrand: yup
[18:03] <jdstrand> rsalveti: for more than just nm?
[18:03] <didrocks> cyphermox: sure, one sec
[18:03] <stgraber> cwayne: pong
[18:03] <cwayne> stgraber, another signature please :) http://10.97.2.10:8080/view/cambridge/job/feifei-image/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/custom.tar.xz
[18:03]  * mdeslaur looks through lsc-android-config
[18:03] <plars> sergiusens: ricmm just said there was a new image, the cdimage runs are going, but I don't see a new system image yet
[18:03] <cyphermox> just NM afaik -- so that people can use the UI to control NM, or to run nmcli as phablet
[18:03]  * jdstrand too
[18:04] <cyphermox> it's the only polkit config diverted this way... doesn't mean there aren't other hacks elsewhere
[18:04] <cyphermox> didrocks: do you have a trick to disable all the stacks just now so I can go about deploying the config?
[18:04] <jdstrand> rsalveti: based on cyphermox' comments-- it sounds like policykit not working means that it defaults to 'not allowed' and that in the current state we need to do overrides to allow=true?
[18:05] <jdstrand> rsalveti: is that accurate?
[18:05] <rsalveti> jdstrand: I believe so, but slangasek was the one who did that change
[18:05] <jdstrand> heh
[18:05] <lool> alecu: RO vs RW: we're defaulting to RO images now; please focus on the system-image images for testing
[18:05] <cyphermox> jdstrand: with policykit "not working", polkit can't figure out that the phablet user from adb and from the UI is actually local, and thus normally disallows the controls
[18:05] <jdstrand> slangasek: based on cyphermox' comments-- it sounds like policykit not working means that it defaults to 'not allowed and that in the current state we need to do overrides to allow=true?
[18:05] <stgraber> cwayne: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6098120/
[18:05] <mdeslaur> with no logind, it probably means allow_active doesn't work
[18:05] <lool> alecu: generally speaking, it's unlikely that things working on RO wont work on RW  :-)
[18:05] <cyphermox> correct
[18:05] <anders3408> hm..... ogra_ what makes /proc/***/root/dev/lxc/tty3 or tty2  ?
[18:06] <anders3408> as mine doesnt exsist
[18:06] <sergiusens> plars, right, system may be running now
[18:06] <cwayne> stgraber, thanks
[18:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, cyphermox: that is what I was thinking
[18:06] <lool> alecu: "we'll have code to launch apps" err don't you have today already?!
[18:06] <cyphermox> the issue indeed is with allow_active specificlyy because of logind
[18:06] <stgraber> mfisch: I won't be able to make your meeting next week as I'll be at Plumbers 2013 in New Orleans but I should be there the week after
[18:06] <anders3408> not even lxc in that folders
[18:06] <mfisch> stgraber: perfect
[18:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: so default closed. then we just need to see what we changed to override it
[18:06] <cwayne> sergiusens, hey, back to the phablet-flash --revision, system-image-cli -i gives a current build number, is that unique to that build or is it just saying that its the .5 build for the day?
[18:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: disable in which way, not running?
[18:06] <mfisch> stgraber: lool pointed out to me that we'll need a way to customize the update server for private customization tarballs
[18:07] <cyphermox> jdstrand: I spent a bit of time looking at logind and polkit, but not much, and got sidetracked to othr matters
[18:07] <mfisch> stgraber: we can hack it for now
[18:07] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yeah, I found it, it's just a NM policy file
[18:07] <didrocks> cyphermox: or killing current run?
[18:07] <cyphermox> didrocks: yeah to avoid them starting for now...
[18:07] <alecu> lool: I mean "the click scope will no longer have the code to launch the apps itself". It will use the dash to do actual spawning of the process.
[18:07] <cyphermox> yeah, just the current run
[18:07] <cyphermox> didrocks: ^
[18:07] <stgraber> mfisch: that'll likely just be another internal server
[18:07] <lool> cwayne: the ubuntu ids are unique and the numbers like 44 are unique per (channel, device), but not yet globally unique
[18:07] <mfisch> stgraber: right
[18:07] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: so, I think I'm ok with it being in that state for touch
[18:07] <lool> alecu: oh ok; yeah
[18:07] <didrocks> cyphermox: so, everything is started by http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/All/job/cu2d-build_all-head/
[18:07] <lool> alecu: we have to make sure it still works after the round of qtubuntu fixes goes in
[18:07] <alecu> lool: I need to keep using the RW images, because I compile on the device
[18:07] <didrocks> cyphermox: just disable the schedule on that job (note the hours to bring it back)
[18:07] <slangasek> jdstrand: so you probably want to look at lxc-android-config and the policykit override therein
[18:08] <jdstrand> slangasek: yep, we're there
[18:08] <lool> alecu: there are things you can do in your situation
[18:08] <jdstrand> cyphermox, rsalveti, slangasek: thanks
[18:08] <slangasek> jdstrand: most policykit rules say something like "allow_active" or "allow_inactive"; but if policykit isn't getting *any* session info from logind, neither of these match and you need "allow_all"
[18:08] <lool> alecu: a) cross-compile (might or might not be hard to achieve)  b) remount read-write when you need to build, then reboot read-only when you want to test read-only
[18:09] <cyphermox> didrocks: too late anyway though, the jobs are all started
[18:09] <cyphermox> didrocks: more importantly anyway: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/cupstream2distro-config/transition/+merge/185332
[18:09] <cyphermox> found some issues, but the rest looks fine
[18:09]  * didrocks looks
[18:09] <didrocks> ok ;)
[18:09] <jdstrand> slangasek: yep
[18:09] <didrocks> cyphermox: approved
[18:10] <alecu> lool: b) is hard for my use case, because I need to install all the building dependencies, and that breaks RO updates. I've never done a), I'll try to find out more, thanks.
[18:10] <didrocks> cyphermox: please, do not hesitate to update the wiki page once you follow the procedure
[18:10] <plars> sergiusens: do you know where we can see the status of those image building? do we have any visibility into that?
[18:10] <didrocks> cyphermox: oh, and you'll need to send an email to us to tell "please look now at the saucy view"
[18:11] <plars> ogra_ / stgraber ^?
[18:11] <lool> alecu: which packages are you specifically working on outside unity-scope-click?
[18:11] <cyphermox> didrocks: indeed
[18:12] <cyphermox> actually, I now see that somehow autopilot isn't in to_transition either
[18:12] <ogra_> plars, we dont
[18:12] <ogra_> plars, well, the cdimage team can watch the log on the builder, but we only have http acceess driectly from the cdimage machine to watch it kind of live
[18:13] <ogra_> (by reloading the webpage)
[18:13] <cyphermox> ok, they're already transitioned to a series branch
[18:13] <alecu> lool: just unity-scope-click. The dependencies are all that "apt-get build-dep unity-scope-click" brings.
[18:13] <stgraber> plars: currently only the cdimage team can watch those, in the (hopefully near) future we'll have those builds happening as Launchpad buildd jobs
[18:13] <stgraber> plars: at which point they'll show up on https://launchpad.net/builders
[18:14] <stgraber> plars: if you want that faster, go nag infinity, I hear he's nearby :)
[18:14] <sergiusens> plars, there's a people.canonical.com url link but I always lose it
[18:15] <sergiusens> but that's only once the build is done
[18:16] <plars> sergiusens: well, once the build is done I typically just check system-image.ubuntu.com :)
[18:16] <stgraber> sergiusens: ~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs
[18:16] <stgraber> sergiusens: but those only get synced to nusakan once the build is over and then get synced to lillypilly by an hourly cron, so indeed not great to know what's going on :)
[18:18] <plars> asac, ricmm, sergiusens: The touch_ro builds just kicked off, so that image is there now :)
[18:19] <mdeslaur> mterry: so, does lightdm implement the lock screen, or is it in the user's session?
[18:19] <mdeslaur> mterry: (on touch)
[18:19] <plars> asac, ricmm, sergiusens: at least from looking at the previous from the cdrom images... the gallery test just passed, where it didn't before, so we should see an improvement
[18:21] <beuno> lool, uploaded 0.9 with the fix  (QtCreator resets all the values at random, so it's tricky to figure out what the right combination of clicks is)
[18:24] <mterry> mdeslaur, still in session these days.  Waiting on mir-on-mir for real greeter
[18:24] <mterry> mdeslaur, I have a branch that will introduce lightdm into Touch, but only as a direct autologin into the greeter's fake lockscreen
[18:25] <mdeslaur> mterry: ok, thanks
[18:25] <jdstrand> mterry: does that mean screenlock will or will not be in 13.10?
[18:25] <jdstrand> mterry: (on touch)
[18:28] <mterry> jdstrand, we still plan to have screenlock as a real greeter.  We know it's getting close and we're not pumped about it landing late.  As a fallback plan...  I'm not sure what we'd do (figleaf session-security or no screenlock at all)
[18:29] <jdstrand> mterry: that's ok, just curious. thanks!
[18:45] <mhall119> is there a way to --wipe when installing ubuntu-system?
[18:46]  * mhall119 tried --no-backup
[18:46] <stgraber> just a FYI, LXC 1.0~alpha1 will land in the next image. I did some tests on my device before pushing it to the archive and there doesn't appear to be any change in behaviour.
[18:46] <mhall119> *tries*
[18:46] <stgraber> if you spot anything weird related to the ubuntu/android integration, ping me and I'll check if that's some kind of regression in the new LXC
[18:46] <stgraber> (LXC is now in bugfix only mode until release, that was the only new upstream releases we wanted in for this cycle)
[18:46] <cwayne> mhall119, beware --no-backup keeps /userdata/.writable_image
[18:47] <mhall119> cwayne: just the file?
[18:47] <cwayne> mhall119, yeah
[18:47] <mhall119> I had cdimage-touch on here before, so I probably don't have that file anyway
[18:48] <cwayne> fair enough
[18:48] <mhall119> I just want to make sure all my userdata is erased so I start clean
[18:48] <cwayne> --no-backup should work then
[18:48] <cwayne> gah, no more -u option for ubuntu-system?
[18:49] <sergiusens> plars, asac the tests that need to run need to be for 12.2 fyi
[18:50] <asac> sergiusens: you say we should cancel 12.1?
[18:50] <asac> sure?
[18:51] <plars> sergiusens: right, that's what's running
[18:51] <asac> oki
[18:51] <asac> sergiusens: is that the one with the fix for the video lens etc.?
[18:51] <asac> like what ogra wanted?
[18:51] <asac> or is that .3?
[18:52] <plars> asac: I believe this had the unity fixes
[18:52] <ogra_> asac, that will be the next build
[18:52] <plars> asac: and a few other things, nothing I see for video lens
[18:52] <asac> ogra_: goodie ... so .3
[18:52] <ogra_> yeah
[18:52] <asac> ogra_: where is that?
[18:52] <ogra_> .2 is just for you to check unity
[18:52] <ogra_> not started
[18:52] <asac> ogra_: we really need to move ahead to indicators as well
[18:52] <ogra_> packages are not through the process yet
[18:53] <asac> ogra_: do yuou want to land with them in parallel and fight the blame war?
[18:53] <ogra_> sure, let the fun begin :)
[18:53] <asac> ogra_: i assume wcant wait for your change giving us a clear green
[18:53] <ogra_> someone land them, quick :)
[18:53] <asac> so lets do this:
[18:53] <asac> 1. once the current image confirms stuff is green
[18:53] <asac> 2. fix video lens and kick image
[18:53] <ogra_> right
[18:53] <asac> 3. while that runs land indicators and kick
[18:53] <asac> then we can see if you caused a regression
[18:54] <asac> or indicators
[18:54] <ogra_> that will still take a while until the packages are through proposed etc
[18:54] <asac> ogra_: your or indicator packages?
[18:54] <asac> yours is in, right?
[18:54] <sergiusens> asac, plars yes http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20130912.2.changes
[18:54] <ogra_> mine
[18:54] <ogra_> nope, not in
[18:54] <ogra_> its all uploaded
[18:54] <asac> ogra_: the seed chagne?
[18:54] <ogra_> but not migrated
[18:54] <asac> the rest hopefyully already was in
[18:54] <ogra_> yes
[18:54] <ogra_> no
[18:54] <asac> ok... indicators will also take a bit
[18:54] <ogra_> i waited for your ok first
[18:55] <asac> ogra_: so is click fixed in .2 or .3?
[18:55] <asac> ricmm: ?
[18:55] <ogra_> thast why they got uploaded together about 30min ago
[18:55] <asac> sure
[18:55] <ogra_> rickmm is afk
[18:55] <asac> your testing was valuable
[18:55] <asac> no problme
[18:55] <ogra_> :)
[18:56] <ogra_> Saviq, FYI, i left out the remote video scope for now, since it showed crashes
[18:57] <ogra_> (someone from the Unity team should probably take a deeper look at that before we can seed it)
[18:57] <ogra_> asac, oh, and FYI http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/current/
[18:57] <ogra_> /current diffs
[18:58] <plars> we are seeing results show up from mako now, maguro should start to show up shortly... needed to restart that job. Anyone know why this happens? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch_ro-maguro-smoke-install-and-boot/128/console
[18:58] <plars> it *looks* like the network is up, but when it tries to go do an apt-get update, it seems to be trying to read from a bunch of nonexistent urls
[18:59] <ogra_> plars, ask tedg :P .... the indicator randomly kills the network connection
[18:59] <ogra_> (happens to me all the time here ... very annoying)
[18:59] <plars> tedg: really?
[18:59] <ogra_> plars,  hopefully thats fixed with the new indicators that will land soon
[19:00] <cyphermox> jhodapp: ~mathieu-tl
[19:01] <sergiusens> asac, ric says click is not fixed in .2
[19:02] <lool> sergiusens: is https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtubuntu/fix-click-packages/+merge/185316 going in a package?
[19:02] <lool> not uploaded in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu
[19:02] <sergiusens> lool, yes, in qtubuntu
[19:02] <sergiusens> lool, it's going through ci
[19:03] <lool> ok thanks
[19:06] <mhall119> alecu: is there a bug for the missing click app icons in the dash?
[19:07] <mhall119> or in the launcher either
[19:07] <tedg> ogra_, plars, ?  randomly killed by the indicator?
[19:08] <tedg> Seems like not an indicator thing.
[19:10] <tedg> mhall119, No, but the fix is in trunk :-)
[19:10] <sergiusens> tedg, mhall119 I haven't approved the MR yet
[19:11] <sergiusens> oh, but charles has
[19:11] <sergiusens> nvm
[19:13] <mhall119> sergiusens: MR for the click icons?
[19:13] <ogra_> tedg, well, there are no driver issues in the logs or anything and the indicator just jumps to wlan off
[19:13] <lool> mhall119: there are a couple of icon issues and corresponding fixes going in today
[19:13] <mhall119> lool: is there a bug for it?
[19:13] <lool> mhall119: one was https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/icon-existing/+merge/185298
[19:13] <lool> mhall119: not sure about a bug
[19:14] <tedg> ogra_, What's in ~/.cache/upstart/indicator-network.log when that happens?
[19:14] <lool> mhall119: and hte other one https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtubuntu/fix-click-packages/+merge/185316
[19:15] <lool> asac: two packages landing soon to fix launch issues and icons, qtubuntu and upstart-app-launch
[19:15] <mhall119> ok, guess I'll wait then
[19:15] <lool> asac: the last opportunity for a fix would be webapps warnings; these are in clicks though, so should be fixed via appstore
[19:15] <lool> asac: I'm not aware of other click/launch regressions yet, and haven't confirmed the fixes
[19:16] <ogra_> tedg, thats the full log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6098388/
[19:16] <ogra_> it currently is offline again
[19:16] <lool> asac: these wont make it to automatic image build, will have to rebuild once it's landed
[19:16] <lool> Folks, I think I'll be going away for 1 or 1.5 hours and check back later
[19:18] <tedg> ogra_, That looks like the state variable from NM changing.  We're not changing it in those cases, just responding to the NM signals.
[19:18] <ogra_> tedg, what about the assertions ?
[19:19] <ogra_> lool, i'll stop automatic builds for this run so we can drive manually as needed
[19:20] <lool> ogra_: ok
[19:20] <rsalveti> slangasek: how can we add a new package to the FFe list at bug 1208989? we need to add gst-plugins-bad1.0 in there
[19:20] <slangasek> rsalveti: it may be more straightforward to file a separate FFe bug at this point
[19:21] <rsalveti> slangasek: right, guess that would be easier indeed
[19:21] <rsalveti> slangasek: ok, let me prepare one
[19:21] <tedg> ogra_, Those are bad, but I don't think they'd be causing a disconnect.  It sounds like the device is disappearing?
[19:21] <slangasek> once it gets approved we can always add it to the other bug's description for reference
[19:21] <ogra_> tedg, nothing in syslog or dmesg about that
[19:21] <tedg> ogra_, If you have time, putting a G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals in your upstart job would be handy.
[19:21] <tedg> ogra_, Then apport will send those to me :-)
[19:22] <ogra_> tedg, well, lets wait for the indicators to land and see if it magically goes away :)
[19:22] <ogra_> (i will need to re-flash with that image anyway for other parts)
[19:34] <alecu> mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-scope-click/+bug/1221643
[19:34] <anders3408> ogra_:  you still here  ?
[19:36] <seepa> hi, when I boot flipped ubuntu I'm stuck at busy box getting "initrd: Couldn't find data partition. Spawning adbd ..." I know the init script is searching for "userdata UDA and DATAFS" in /dev/, but from what I can tell my data partition is /dev/block/platform/sdhci-tegra.3/by-name/p8 ... suggestions how to fix this?
[19:39] <alecu> mhall119: looks like that bug will be fixed by https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/icon-existing/+merge/185298
[19:39] <mfisch> mterry / ssweeny: what did we agree was the best way to seed a setting for accounts services? I don't want to blindly set with dbus because then the user cannot change it
[19:40] <mfisch> I'm vaguely recalling a run once job
[19:40] <mterry> mfisch, why can't user change it?
[19:40] <mfisch> mterry: I mean if I set it on dbus on every boot-up, then the change would be useless
[19:41] <mterry> mfisch, oh.  You can change the default value in the interface file...  But if you're doing a customization... Maybe divert the file?
[19:41] <mterry> mfisch, else save whether you've set it via dbus before
[19:41] <mterry> mfisch, and don't run twice
[19:41] <mfisch> mterry: that file is in /var/lib/AccountsService?
[19:42] <mterry> mfisch, uhm, no.  though I suppose you could do that too...
[19:42] <ssweeny> where is the interface file?
[19:42] <mfisch> (back in 2 mins)
[19:42] <mhall119> thanks alecu
[19:43] <mmcc> OT, in case anyone's curious, you can make phablet-flash work on Mac OS X. It's a big improvement over trying to work with VirtualBox's USB support, if you can't just boot Ubuntu natively on your mac. Here's a quick set of notes showing how: http://michael-mccracken.net/2013/09/flashing-ubuntu-touch-from-osx/
[19:45] <mfisch> mterry: in case you missed what ssweeny said, where is the interface file?
[19:45] <popey> mmcc: ooh! nice
[19:47] <alecu> mmcc: that's awesome. You should post that link in [Ubuntu-phone]
[19:47] <mmcc> popey: yes, it's so much more reliable this way. I was pleasantly surprised.
[19:47] <alecu> sergiusens: ^
[19:48] <mmcc> alecu: will do
[20:05] <ogra_> lool, i dont see any traces of the two packages you were waiting for
[20:06] <ogra_> lool, did anyone take care for CI for these ?
[20:08] <HTC_One_German> Hi
[20:17] <cyphermox> slangasek: lp:mtp is now ready for review, the lib rename got merged
[20:37] <lool> ogra_: I saw one go through
[20:37] <ogra_> lool, yep, we are working on it now
[20:38] <lool> ogra_: do you know about qtubuntu's status?
[20:38] <ogra_> i wasnt aware CI is on manual
[20:38] <lool> it was in CI a long time ago
[20:38] <ogra_> lool, on its way
[20:43] <AskUbuntu> How to access geolocation information on Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/344831
[20:54] <genii> Hm.
[20:57] <lool> ogra_: do you have an ETA for qtubuntu?
[20:58] <lool> it's not uploaded, so it will be really late once its built, installed and image is built and published...
[20:58] <ogra_> lool, CI was kicked off, no idea how long the package takes to build ... or to get through -proposed
[20:59] <ogra_> it deosnt get uploaded ... its a CI package
[20:59] <ogra_> cyphermox just kicked off the CI
[21:00] <anders3408> ogra_:  just a quick question : its an error when dmesg says : init: cannot find '/system/bin/"something here"  , disabling 'some function' ?
[21:01] <ogra_> anders3408, do you have a line for /system in fstab ?
[21:02] <anders3408> the files is there , and its mounted, but mounting partitions gave me some issues to start with, so perhaps i did something wrong on that part , and that what it complains about
[21:02] <anders3408> sure ogra_ /dev/mmcblk0p19                                       /system      ext4    ro,barrier=1                                wait
[21:02] <anders3408> normally its like this : /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/system         /system      ext4    ro,barrier=1                                wait
[21:02] <anders3408>  
[21:03] <anders3408> but somehow ubuntu cant see it that way
[21:03] <ogra_> i'm talking about /etc/fstab
[21:03] <anders3408> oh :) sorry just a sec
[21:03] <lool> ogra_: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+packages?field.name_filter=qtubuntu&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=saucy
[21:04] <lool> sergiusens: I see there are other changes queued up in daily release for qtubuntu, and latest mp doens't seem to be there?!
[21:04] <anders3408> ogra_: here is fstab line :
[21:04] <anders3408> # added by lxc-android-boot for /system
[21:04] <anders3408> /dev/mmcblk0p19	/system	ext4	ro,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro	0	0
[21:04] <anders3408> ups sorry one to much :)
[21:04] <ogra_> lool, shouldnt that be daily-next ?
[21:04] <ogra_> anders3408, hmm, looks fine
[21:05] <ogra_> what are the processes it says it disables ?
[21:05] <anders3408> ogra_:  i may have found another way to mount instead , as if i checks that location im using now
[21:05] <anders3408> all processes from system/bin
[21:06] <anders3408> if you see /dev/mmc*
[21:06] <anders3408> brw-rw----  1 root   disk      179,  19 Sep 12 21:03 mmcblk0p19
[21:06] <lool> ogra_: oh yes
[21:06] <ogra_> sounde like your android build has issues then
[21:06] <lool> ogra_: I had actually checked *next*
[21:06] <ogra_> :)
[21:06] <cyphermox> lool: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next/+packages?field.name_filter=qtubuntu&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[21:06] <lool> ogra_: but it's in *daily-build-next*
[21:06] <lool> cyphermox: right, thanks
[21:06] <ogra_> yeah
[21:06] <lool> so it needs promotion now
[21:06] <lool> ogra_: how does it get into the archive now?
[21:06] <lool> I guess someone does a manual pocket copy now
[21:07] <cjohnston> /19/10
[21:07] <ogra_> yeah
[21:07] <sergiusens> lool, it's one of the package being tracked
[21:07] <lool> let's not wait for the 3 hours thing
[21:07] <lool> or 4 hours sorry
[21:07] <anders3408> but ogra_ in /dev/disk/by-partlabel/ its like lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  16 Sep 12 21:03 system -> ../../mmcblk0p19
[21:08] <ogra_> anders3408, the message is from androids init when it tries to start the container, something is wrong in there
[21:08] <ogra_> anders3408, /system/bin/logcat should give you the log from inside the container
[21:08] <ogra_> lool, there is more stuff asac held back that is supposed to land (all not in CI)
[21:09] <lool> ogra_: I don't understand what that means
[21:09] <anders3408> well ogra_ that doesnt give me much : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6098840/ only 22 lines
[21:09] <lool> ogra_: is this stuff that we want which is currently held back?
[21:09] <anders3408> which ends up in  Waiting for service SurfaceFlinger...
[21:10] <lool> ogra_: I mostly care about the click / launch related fixes landing
[21:10] <lool> in an image
[21:10] <lool> to confirm they are fixed
[21:10] <lool> asac probably also tracks Mir stuff
[21:10] <lool> if both land, and tests pass, we can promote  :-)
[21:11] <ogra_> lool, and we are waiting since two days to land the switch option for Mir ... thats spread across three pakcages
[21:11] <ogra_> lool, and by decision from asac that should land along with the click fixes
[21:12] <Darakian> Hi all, is there any word on ubuntu touch for the new nexus 7?
[21:12] <Darakian> ?
[21:12] <ogra_> Darakian, feel free to port it
[21:12] <Darakian> daww
[21:12] <Darakian> ok
[21:12] <ogra_> there are no plans for an official port
[21:12] <ogra_> there was some discussion on the mailing list though
[21:13] <ogra_> from some community people that wanted to port it
[21:13] <Darakian> did they set up a page somewhere for it
[21:13] <Darakian> ?
[21:13] <ogra_> i dotn think so ... check the devices wikipage
[21:13] <ogra_> !devices | Darakian
[21:13] <Darakian> I did
[21:13] <cyphermox> didrocks: unity-mir ftbfs,  libplatform-api1-dev : Depends: libubuntu-application-api-mirserver1 (= 0.18.3+13.10.20130912-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[21:13] <Darakian> nothing there
[21:13] <ogra_> ah, k
[21:13] <Darakian> :(
[21:13] <anders3408> and the dmesg says init: cannot find '/system/bin/surfaceflinger', disabling 'surfaceflinger'  ogra_ so it pretty much disables surfaceflinger even before it tries to start it , which im pretty sure is my issue, even  sh errors out : init: cannot find '/system/bin/sh
[21:13] <cyphermox> didrocks: I'll copy that
[21:13] <ogra_> then they probably havent
[21:14] <Darakian> ok
[21:14] <Darakian> thanks for the help
[21:14] <Darakian> :)
[21:14] <ogra_> anders3408, yeah, something is wonky with your android
[21:14] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass_, hey ... on Air !
[21:15] <ChickenCutlass_> ogra_, yes
[21:15] <anders3408> yes thats for sure :) but the only thing i can think of that can do that so it "cant" find those files should either be some mout thing or permissions
[21:15] <ogra_> :)
[21:15] <anders3408> ogra_: does files like sh and surfaceflinger in system/bin have another permission than it should on regular aosp roms ?
[21:16] <ogra_> anders3408, i dont think it has to do with pwermissions
[21:16] <lool> ogra_: Mir stuff, ack, these are the ones I meant
[21:16] <anders3408> naah you probably right , then it shouldt say it cant find those files
[21:16] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, ping
[21:16] <ogra_> right
[21:17] <anders3408> what else can cause such issue ?
[21:17] <anders3408> ogra_: if you have time , i can make a quick dmesg so you can see if you can spot something :)
[21:17] <ogra_> try using the android-chroot script ... see if you can enter the container rootfs
[21:18] <ogra_> if you can chekc the mounts
[21:18] <ogra_> anders3408, do you have a /vendor mount btw ?
[21:18] <ogra_> (on ubuntu)
[21:18] <cyphermox> didrocks: ignore me please
[21:18] <anders3408> yes from root i have /vendor
[21:19] <anders3408> like  /vendor/firmware/libpn544_fw.so
[21:20] <ogra_> sounds good
[21:20] <ogra_> well, then try to check the container from the inside
[21:20] <anders3408> ogra_: hah, android-chroot : failed to run command sh : no such file or ......
[21:21] <ogra_> ok, your container doesnt have /system mounted then
[21:21] <anders3408> and sh should be found in /system/bin/sh
[21:21] <ogra_> yes
[21:21] <anders3408> so android mounts system, but the container doesnt mount it... hmmm
[21:22] <ogra_> other way round :)
[21:22] <ogra_> ubuntu mounts it, but the cotnainer doesnt
[21:23] <anders3408> ahh :)
[21:23] <anders3408> uhm .. should that shows up in dmesg ogra_ ?
[21:23] <ogra_> (since you obviously could execute logcat from ubuntu)
[21:23] <ogra_> no, in logcat
[21:23] <anders3408> not just logcat
[21:23] <anders3408> i need to write ./system/bin/logcat
[21:24] <anders3408> or else it doesnt know what logcat means
[21:25] <anders3408> and when i do that , i only get 23 lines from logcat : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6098840/
[21:26] <lool> ogra_, sergiusens, mzanetti, asac: Tested qtubuntu-android from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next/+build/4971260 on mako and a bunch of icons are back (it seems there are duplicate entries in the app list though), can launch preinstalled clicks, can install and launch new ones, woohoo
[21:28] <anders3408> ogra_: thats why im kinda lost :)
[21:29] <rickspencer3> lool,  sweet, does that mean that the image is going to be released?
[21:29] <anders3408> i can verify that there is alot of issues, but when i backtracked the issue, i ends up in those mount points , and then the chain is broken :)
[21:29] <lool> rickspencer3: no, a) package isn't in Ubuntu yet, b) mir packages aren't in ubuntu c) image needs to be built and tested with them in Ubuntu
[21:30] <lool> well not sure about latest status of b) actually, havent tracked the list of packages there
[21:35] <slangasek> ChickenCutlass: pong
[21:35] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, actually -- stgraber helped me
[21:35] <ChickenCutlass> thanks
[21:35] <slangasek> ok!
[21:37] <sergiusens> lool, rickspencer3 it's in the process of
[21:38] <lool> sergiusens: Cool
[21:38] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, you mean you are moving the fixed qtubuntu into the image now?
[21:38] <anders3408> ogra_:  it may sounds stupid , but there is one more thing about those mounts, when i flashing a new build on a wiped device , plus the other zip, on first bootup it doesnt get anything in etc/fstab so nothing mounted, but if i then wipes it all and reflash all again, then i get those few lines in fstab and somewhere system and data is moutned
[21:38] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, cyphermox is actually
[21:38] <lool> sergiusens: still dont see it in ubuntu though
[21:38] <rickspencer3> coolio
[21:38] <lool> cyphermox: I've tested the package, could you push it to Ubuntu now?
[21:39] <anders3408> ogra_: recovery == latest twrp
[21:39] <rickspencer3> so we still have a chance of getting a green image today, it sounds like
[21:39] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, that's the goal
[21:40] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, is anything blocking right now?
[21:40] <ogra_> well, apart from the fact that nothing of that is in the archive yet ?
[21:40] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, just moving bits through the pipes
[21:40] <ogra_> (and that we have to leave the building soon)
[21:40] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I thought sergiusens just said that cyphermox is moving it to the archive as we speak
[21:41] <rickspencer3> did I misunderstand that?
[21:42] <anders3408> ogra_:  so on first flash and bootup , i only have /var/run , no log folder and no system mounted at all
[21:42] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, it's in the process of (going through daily release)
[21:42] <ogra_> rickspencer3, we had a bunch of fixed that were held back due to the image being broken (stopped the line), that are supposed to go in along ... and these were just uploaded
[21:42] <ogra_> *fixes
[21:43] <ogra_> which will delay us  for about 1-1.5h until they hit the archive
[21:44] <rickspencer3> still in all, sounds like there is still a chance for a green image ... and one that includes Mir :)
[21:44] <ogra_> yeah
[21:45] <ogra_> the mir bits were also just uploaded
[21:45] <w-flo> anders3408, that sounds like flashing fails half-way because you're out of disk space (/var/log should exist after flashing)
[21:45] <ogra_> so you can easily enable it with the next image
[21:45] <rickspencer3>  ogra_right
[21:45] <rickspencer3> oops
[21:45] <ogra_> :)
[21:45] <rickspencer3> anyway, yeah ... so good progress
[21:45] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, mir is going to be enabled with a toggle file (surfaceflinger is still the default)
[21:46] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, ack
[21:46] <anders3408> w-flo: well how much storage should my data need ? i have 1.5 gb on this phone,
[21:46] <rickspencer3> understood
[21:46] <rickspencer3> still, it's in
[21:46] <rickspencer3> it's testable
[21:46] <ogra_> and hopefully tomorrow we'll get lightdm so we can get rid of a few of the giant security holes
[21:46] <rickspencer3> we can move on to the next parts of the stack
[21:46] <w-flo> anders3408, the flashing script extracts the ubuntu rootfs *first*, then removes the old ubuntu rootfs... and 1.5gb is probably not enough to have 2 ubuntu rootfs copies at the same time
[21:46] <rickspencer3> ogra_, oh? I thought we were going to drop LightDM for now
[21:47] <rickspencer3> I don't have a strong opinion, but I thought that's what was decided
[21:47] <ogra_> rickspencer3, that would be really bad, since we would have to disable all security for click install, network manager etc
[21:47] <rickspencer3> huh
[21:47] <ogra_> (would have to keep it disabled actually)
[21:47] <ogra_> it all full of hacks
[21:47] <jdstrand> ogra_: click install-- I thought there was already a workaround in place for that
[21:48] <anders3408> but w-flo if i wipes all partitions from twrp, and reflash it all, on first bootup i then have log, but something very off as either /system aint mounted on ubuntu or the container, dmesg says   init: cannot find '/system/bin/sh', disabling and on and on
[21:48] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I inferred from this that LightDM was not needed: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04071.html
[21:48] <ogra_> jdstrand, right, dropping PK checks
[21:48] <ogra_> jdstrand, didnt we have that conversation a few hours ago ?
[21:48] <ogra_> :)
[21:49] <anders3408> w-flo: should i try your modifying script for the ubuntu zip ?  so its using /sdcard instead or ?
[21:49] <jdstrand> ogra_: I missed the click install bit. I am going to reply to https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04071.html with an update on that
[21:49] <anders3408> atm even when data and system is mounted, sdcard is still gone :)
[21:49] <jdstrand> I don't actually think that is a problem if we can do a similar thing like we do for network manager
[21:49] <ogra_> rickspencer3, i would find it evry very odd to release this horrid hacks
[21:50] <jdstrand> (eg, add some overrides in lxc-android-config so that only touch is affected)
[21:50] <ogra_> thats far from releasabel quality
[21:50] <w-flo> anders3408, using /sdcard might help somewhat (I have a modified edify script on github that does this), but it might not solve the problem completely
[21:50] <ogra_> *releasable
[21:50] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[21:50] <w-flo> anders3408, I can't tell you anything about the mount issues.. no idea, sorry :(
[21:50] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I don't pretend to understand the issues, and won't waste your time making you explain it to me
[21:50] <anders3408> w-flo: yes i did see that :) should i change something in that script or can it be used on other devices also ?
[21:50] <ogra_> (i douobt we can get rid of all of the hacks, but at least the worst ones would be nice)
[21:50] <rickspencer3> I was just saying, I was under the impression that the consensus was that we do not need LightDM for 13.10
[21:51] <ogra_> not with me :P
[21:51] <w-flo> anders3408, I had mount troubles when my partitions were actually ext3 instead of ext4. Converting them to ext4 (I used the 4ext recovery to do that) helped. Your problem is probably unrelated..
[21:51] <ogra_> but then i'm not the decider
[21:51] <davmor2> ogra_: why the huge gap from 3g/wifi to bluetooth?
[21:51] <ogra_> davmor2, ask ted ?
[21:51] <anders3408> w-flo: yes mine is for sure ext4
[21:51]  * ogra_ doesnt write indicators
[21:52] <davmor2> ogra_: I know, but I expect you to know everything damn it ;)
[21:52] <w-flo> anders3408, you should probably get rid of a lot of things my script does.. it's HTC vision specific :) but the edify script part might be useful for you
[21:52] <rickspencer3> seriously
[21:52] <sergiusens> rickspencer3, touch /home/phablet/.display-mir to enable (in the next images
[21:52] <anders3408> thanks w-flo :)
[21:52] <rickspencer3> thanks sergiusens that;s very cool
[21:52] <anders3408> just one last w-flo : will it wipe my sdcard ?
[21:53] <w-flo> anders3408, it shouldn't! only uses sdcard to store a temporary file, then deletes that file later. (though you never know, maybe there's a bug that wipes your sd card.. heh)
[21:54] <w-flo> anders3408, good luck :) will be back in ~a week
[21:54] <anders3408> ugh.... ogra_ df -h shows only 50 % of /data is in use
[21:55] <anders3408> /dev/mmcblk0p19 1010M   97M  914M  10% /system
[21:55] <anders3408> /dev/mmcblk0p20  2.0G  992M  1.1G  50% /data
[21:55] <anders3408> /dev/mmcblk0p20  2.0G  992M  1.1G  50% /
[22:02] <Tamakizu> Anyone got any thoughts, I ran through the install process but now I get stuck at the bootloader(Google and padlock screen) and it just sits there. I know how to restore android but wondered if anyone could guess what I did wrong.
[22:03] <cwayne> mterry, pingaling
[22:03] <Tamakizu> Suppose I should mention it's a talapia(3g nexus 7)
[22:04] <lool> ogra_: do you have asac nearby?
[22:08] <mterry> cwayne, hi
[22:08] <cwayne> mterry, hey, what file can we touch to change the default for the welcome screen?
[22:09] <cwayne> also, it's supposed to default to being the same as the background, according to     /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.ubuntu.touch.system-settings.gschema.xml
[22:10] <Carakas> I have a small question, where does ubuntu-touch stores the text messages ? and is it posicle to access them ?
[22:10] <mterry> cwayne, um
[22:10] <mterry> cwayne, so it has the same fallback as the gsettings key (a hardcoded bg)
[22:10] <mterry> cwayne, but it does not fallback to gsettings
[22:11] <mterry> cwayne, so gsettings > hardcoded, and greeter > hardcoded, but not greeter > gsettings
[22:11] <mterry> cwayne, (that said, I could make it fallback to the same default that gsettings used...  would that be helpful?)
[22:12] <cwayne> hmm
[22:12] <cwayne> mfisch, ^ thoughts?
[22:12] <mterry> cwayne, to answer your question about how to change the default..  you could use the dbus command to change the current wallpaper for greeter...
[22:13] <mfisch> so it does or does not fallback to gsettings?
[22:13] <cwayne> mterry, that doesn't seem like the 'right way' to change the default though
[22:13] <cwayne> mfisch, sounds like does not
[22:13] <mterry> cwayne, you could ship a /var/lib/AccountsService/users/XXX file with the defaults you want
[22:13] <mterry> mfisch, right now it does not fall back to gsettings
[22:13] <mfisch> cwayne: the dbus way is way better for N users
[22:14] <mfisch> mterry: there could be a reason to have a different file from the wallpaper
[22:14] <cwayne> as long as it has a run-once mechanism
[22:14] <cwayne> which is simple
[22:14] <mfisch> yep
[22:14] <cwayne> okay, i can do that later tonight then mfisch
[22:14] <cwayne> but we'll need to keep presession.d then
[22:14] <cwayne> unless we hardcode it to like greeter.png
[22:14] <cwayne> which seems less good.
[22:15] <mfisch> cwayne: I dont see an issue with hardcoding it, we can symlink in the bundle if we want to
[22:16] <cwayne> mfisch, hm, alright
[22:16] <cwayne> well we cant symlink it
[22:16] <cwayne> RO
[22:16] <mfisch> cwayne: we symlink it when we build the tarball
[22:16] <cwayne> i thought that wouldnt work
[22:17] <mfisch>  /custom/u/s/backgrounds/foo.jpg -> /custom/u/s/b/greeter-wallpaper.png
[22:17] <cwayne> ah if there both there it works
[22:17] <cwayne> right
[22:17] <lool> cyphermox: is everybody gone?  :-)
[22:18] <lool> ogra_, asac: Tested upstart-app-launch 0.1+13.10.20130912-0ubuntu1 and it fixes a bunch of the other missing icons; I get diplicated application shortcuts since a while, but at least all of them have an icon now!
[22:19] <mfisch> +1 for icons!
[22:20] <lool> jdstrand: for some reason, /var/lib/apparmor/clicks//com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.8.json persisted across removal and reinstallation of the (renamed) package and across hook removal + readdition
[22:20] <lool> jdstrand: getting this when readding the hook: ERROR: Could not parse click manifest. Skipping 'com.ubuntu.developer.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.8.json'
[22:21] <mfisch> lool: do you happen to know how Unity picks the fonts to use? we have an issue with the Chinese ones
[22:21] <beuno> I AM IMMORTAL
[22:21] <jdstrand> lool: yeah, it didn't get cleaned up
[22:21] <anders3408> hmmm just used w-flo's tool for the ubuntu zip, the rootfs modifier, and now on first bootup, if i do adb shell, i just ends in a busybox session :O
[22:22] <anders3408> BusyBox v1.20.2 (Ubuntu 1:1.20.0-8.1ubuntu1) built-in shell (ash)
[22:22] <lool> mfisch: I dont know where the default font is set (unity source?  config file?  gsetting) but fc-match is probably how you'd map the source code name to the actual font
[22:22] <jdstrand> lool: if you have the exact steps to reproduce, please file a bug and I'll look at it tomorrow
[22:22]  * jdstrand is heading out
[22:22] <mfisch> lool: thanks, that font stuff is still a mystery to me, I'll look at fc-match
[22:22]  * lool doesn't have exact steps
[22:22] <jdstrand> lool: btw, that error is non-fatal for other click apps
[22:22] <lool> jdstrand: yeah
[22:23] <jdstrand> perhaps the click garbage collection isn't calling the hook
[22:23] <jdstrand> ok, gotta go
[22:23] <jdstrand> :)
[22:24] <lool> Bah still getting ** (process:2935): WARNING **: No applications defined
[22:27] <lool> beuno: is your icon really qmlscene?
[22:27] <lool> beuno: generated .local/share/applications/ar.com.beuno.hello-world_hello-world_0.9.desktop says so
[22:28] <beuno> lool, no, that's probably garbage
[22:31] <lool> ogra_, asac: Alright, didn't manage to get in touch with you folks, but essentially: qtubuntu binary build ok, upstart-app-launch binary build ok; getting double entries in app scope and in list of running apps, but seems harmless; all icons are fixed, can download + install + run clicks or run preinstalled ones
[22:31] <beuno> lool, need me to re-upload without that?
[22:31] <lool> ogra_, asac: I trust you folks to keep tracking mir + launcher landings
[22:31] <lool> beuno: Would be nice if you included a real icon as it shows up with broken icon
[22:31] <lool> beuno: but at least it's not a bug in the images
[22:31] <beuno> lool, will do
[22:31] <lool> beuno: it's the last thing without an icon here!  :-)
[22:32]  * beuno is embarrased
[22:32] <lool> actually there's an Unity launcher thing
[22:32] <lool> but it seems like something that shouldn't be there in the first place
[22:33]  * lool tries rick's franglish app
[22:37]  * lool &
[22:47] <xperia> hi. i am trying to build ubuntu touch from sources but i could not find a good step by step howto. can anybody tell me a good step by step guide for building touch on my ubuntu machine?