[00:45] <ali1234> fez is gooooood
[00:46] <ali1234> completely crazy though
[07:00] <moodoo> morning all
[07:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> yo
[07:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:06] <AlanBell> o/
[07:30] <dwatkins> ahoy
[07:40] <moodoo> great podcast/hangout last night popey :)
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> "podout"
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> (hangcast sounds too macabre)
[07:46] <popey> thanks MartijnVdS
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'm old-school, I wait for the mp3 ;)
[07:47] <popey> having problems with that!
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> :(
[07:47] <popey> It's on my iHP-140 which just locked up
[07:48] <MartijnVdS> that's not good
[07:48] <popey> its annoying
[07:48] <popey> i wanted to merge the audio from that with the MP4 from youtube
[07:48] <popey> now I need to wait for the battery to die
[07:48] <popey> or take it apart and disconnect battery
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: you're not alone with "un-cooperative hardware": http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1309.1/01669.html
[07:52] <popey> yay, got it apart
[07:57] <popey>  balls
[07:57] <popey> can't power down without removing drive
[07:57] <jussi> popey: does that thing not have a hard reset button?
[07:57] <popey> no
[07:58] <jussi> long press something perhaps?
[07:58] <popey> no
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: is it this one? http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000043279.pdf
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: because that has a "reset" hole next to the USB port
[07:59] <popey> so it does
[07:59] <popey> yay
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> but that might be factory reset
[07:59] <popey> that was easy
[08:00] <popey> thanks chaps
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> np!
[08:00] <popey> the problem I had previously was it wouldn't show up as a usb device
[08:03] <popey> BAH!
[08:03] <popey> won't mount
[08:04] <popey> wonder if I can remove the disk and read it in a pc
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: if not, you could at least run photorec against it to recover any files with known headers on there
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: (image it first!)
[08:06] <popey> dunno what the on-disk format is though
[08:09] <popey> need an adapter
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: do you have a picture of the connector? (or do you already know what it is)
[08:21] <popey> it's a 1.8" IDE
[08:21] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-1-8-HARD-DRIVE-ADAPTER/dp/B004351F7K
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> looks a bit like CompactFlash
[08:23] <popey> oh, looks like it is
[08:23] <popey> i forsee a trip to maplin
[08:24] <popey> bah, they dont sell them
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> You've really gotto love X. I'm in the office and I needed to see some emails from an old pop account that is only configured on my home desktop.
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> So I ssh'd -X to my home server, sent a wakeonlan to my desktop, ssh -X to my desktop, start Thunderbird. It then magically appears on my display in the office :-)
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> I hope all the Wayland/Mir stuff doesn't break this functionality.
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Video Games Day! :-D
[08:42] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:43] <bigcalm> JamesTait: oooh, good time to re-play FEZ then :D
[08:45] <JamesTait> bigcalm, I'd say it'd be a good day to play minetest with the boys, but that happens most days in some form or another anyway. ;)
[08:45] <bigcalm> Hehe
[08:45] <bigcalm> What's minetest?
[08:46] <JamesTait> bigcalm, like Minecraft, but FLOSS.
[08:46] <moodoo> minetest?   oooo /me goes looking
[08:47] <moodoo> http://minetest.net/
[08:47] <JamesTait> It's in the archive, but IIRC it's quite an old version before saucy - it's getting some pretty serious development at the moment, so it's worth installing it from the PPA.
[08:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:20] <bigcalm> popey: mele f10 is in my hands
[09:20] <bigcalm> Delivery estimate was 4th -> 22nd October
[09:22] <popey> heh
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: when the drive is in the iHP, is it detected (does /dev/sdX show up) and does mounting fail?
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: or doesn't it show up at all?
[09:26] <popey> nothing in dmesg
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> does the device work at all?
[09:27] <popey> yes
[09:27] <popey> powers up, and if attached goes into USB mode
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> have you tried wiggling the USB cable/port? Might be a loose contact in there
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> can it play the file? (you could get it out the old-fashioned way, with analog cables etc.)
[09:29] <popey> could do
[09:54] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: nice. I should learn how to do this at some point... :D ( I assume certain things need "turning on"
[09:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> jussi: Nope.
[09:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> just run ssh -X user@host
[09:55] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: it just works out of the box ?
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[09:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes!
[09:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Absolutely brilliant
[09:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> And you can chain
[09:55]  * jussi tests
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> ssh -X me@host1, ssh -X me@host 2
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then run a GTK type app on the remote host
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> And watch the magic ;-)
[09:57] <funkyHat> Well presumably as Wayland/Mir need to act as X servers for legacy apps anyway, that *should* keep working
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Weel, as I said earlier I bloody well hope so.
[09:58] <funkyHat> I would be pretty annoyed if it stopped working too
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/weel/well
[10:02] <jussi> hey, wait... its a funky funky funkyHat!!!
[10:02] <jussi> Hiya Matt :D
[10:03] <jussi> it does appear to work
[10:03] <jussi> although, gtk apps, I not sure if I have those installed...
[10:07] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html "Is Wayland network transparent / does it support remote rendering?"
[10:07] <popey> dunno if that answers your question
[10:07] <funkyHat> Hi jussi ⢁)
[10:09] <jussi> "This doesn't mean that remote rendering won't be possible with Wayland, it just means that you will have to put a remote rendering server on top of Wayland. One such server could be the X.org server, but other options include an RDP server, a VNC server or somebody could even invent their own new remote rendering model."
[10:09] <jussi> so basically, the feature wont disappear, but I guess it will be still provided with X
[10:11] <popey> if you have x
[10:13] <ali1234> due to the way wayland works, it won't matter what client you use for remote rendering: since they'll all have to do screen scraping, they'll all be as awful as VNC, even if the protocol happens to be X11
[10:15] <funkyHat> ali1234: unless you run an X server locally on top of wayland and can forward that through ssh, I presume
[10:15] <ali1234> yes, that should work okay
[10:16] <ali1234> the problem is what happens when you try to forward an app that only supports wayland
[10:16] <ali1234> anything that supports X11 will continue to work fine
[10:24] <DJones> Sheesh, people had to vote on this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24040130 wonder what it looks like in the water
[10:30] <bigcalm> I wonder what it tastes like
[10:30] <ali1234> monkfish is both ugly and delicious
[10:31] <ali1234> so maybe similar to that
[10:31] <bigcalm> O M G http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1924/baconwrapped-monkfish
[10:32] <bigcalm> Bacon really is magical food
[12:14] <mgdm> neuro: who is it that owns Scolocate? I'm sure it's either iomart or Pulsant, and suspect Pulsant, but can you remember?
[12:15] <neuro> pulsant
[12:15] <neuro> yes, the company who got booted out of scolocate 8 years ago now owns scolocate
[12:15] <mgdm> heh, I didn't know they got booted out
[12:16] <mgdm> why was that?
[12:17] <neuro> cos they built their own dc ;)
[12:17] <mgdm> ah
[12:17] <mgdm> I thought it was going to be an interesting reason
[12:27] <neuro> mgdm: there may have been more interesting reasons that i wasn't privy to, but that was the main gist
[12:27] <neuro> lumison turned from a customer to a competitor
[12:28] <mgdm> ah
[12:56] <popey> happy birthday JamesTait
[12:57] <JamesTait> Oh no, it's escaped!
[12:58] <JamesTait> Thank you popey. It's a vicious rumour though. I don't think I have a birthday.
[13:02] <bigcalm> JamesTait: you kept that one quiet by informing us of play games day
[13:02] <bigcalm> JamesTait: and happy birthday
[13:02] <JamesTait> It's also Cycle to Work day!
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: but that's 2.5 hours each way!
[13:02] <bigcalm> I would, if I didn't work from home
[13:02] <JamesTait> bigcalm, me too. :)
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> I might cycle to work a few days a week for my new job
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> next month
[13:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[13:03] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, better get on yer bike then! :-P
[13:03] <dwatkins> I cycle as much as I can, it's about 5 miles each way.
[13:03]  * JamesTait looks at davmor2, then at his clock, then back at davmor2.
[13:04] <JamesTait> davmor2, you're just trying to confuse me, aren't you?
[13:04] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: he's on Boston time, or something
[13:04] <JamesTait> Bostin' time? ;)
[13:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: the qa team are in a sprint at lexington so I'm on there timezone this week incase I'm needed for anything
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> there or their?
[13:05] <MartijnVdS>  
[13:05] <JamesTait> davmor2, a simple "yes" would have sufficed. ;)
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> "Thank you for your information, citizen"
[13:06] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: their
[13:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: Yes I do it deliberately to confuse you really :D
[13:06] <JamesTait> I knew it!
[13:07] <JamesTait> So when am I having my elevenses today?
[13:08] <dwatkins> eleventy o'clock
[13:11]  * JamesTait sets his alarm, just in case.
[13:33] <bigcalm> A bit late for 11es now
[13:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: when I knock off at 11pm?
[13:34] <davmor2> JamesTait: you might want to change it's name to supper though :D
[13:34] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'll be thinking of you. ;)
[13:48]  * TheOpenSourcerer thinks we should change teen numbers to match the rest, i.e. tenty, tentyone, tentytwo etc...
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> That's numberwang!
[13:48] <moodoo> lol
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> moodoo: Have you read the Reddit thread explaining the rules?
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> moodoo: http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1jvgn6/i_said_numberwang_to_the_pet_shop_cashier_when_my/cbioq86
[13:52] <dwatkins> I think /r/britishproblems/ is my favourite subreddit at the moment.
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: there's also /r/britishsuccess
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: and /r/cgpgrey :P
[13:55] <moodoo> MartijnVdS: that's awesome
[14:37] <davmor2> moodoo: MartijnVdS: man you guys talking about rules just made me Lose the game
[14:40] <moodoo> well that's numberwang
[15:18]  * SuperEngineer hopes he has twotenty twotenty vision if he lives to tentytenty
[15:22] <dwatkins> eleventy!!!111one!1!!1!1!
[15:23] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: not even Bender would try to make people believe that was possible!
[15:24] <SuperEngineer> !Futurama
[15:25] <SuperEngineer> [time to add an entry to lubotto!]
[15:32] <dwatkins> yes
[15:39] <inadream>  /msg nickserv dispense
[15:40] <andylockran> hey
[15:40] <andylockran> Ladies and Gents - good afternonn
[16:07] <BigRedS> Anyone know where MySQL startup messages go now that it's apparently not to stdout or daemon.log?
[16:09] <BigRedS> aha! /var/log/mysql/error.log
[18:22] <diddledan> thankyou scrollback for making me lose the game
[18:35] <mgdm> people still go on about that? Oh dear.
[18:41] <directhex> moo
[18:43] <mgdm> morning
[18:49] <daftykins> hi
[18:49] <diddledan> mgdm: the game has no finish
[18:49] <daftykins> yeah i never got that game bs, ridiculous idea imo
[18:49] <diddledan> daftykins: yet you still lose it
[18:49] <daftykins> seeing friends pretending to care... *shakes head*
[18:50] <daftykins> that's just an attempt for said losers to try and draw others into their bs :)
[18:50] <diddledan> lol
[18:50] <daftykins> sorry, got a bit rude there
[18:50] <daftykins> but i feel very strongly about that one :P
[18:50] <diddledan> you're just annoyed that you lost :-p
[18:51] <daftykins> don't make me come over there!
[18:57] <diddledan> didn't zimbra used to belong to vmware? when did that change?
[18:58] <daftykins> maybe it passed you by whilst you were playing the game :(
[18:58]  * daftykins ducks
[18:58] <daftykins> :D
[18:58] <daftykins> nah i thought that
[20:23] <BigRedS> diddledan: a couple of weeks ago
[21:57] <mgdm> directhex: that indiegogo thing is priceless
[21:57] <mgdm> (well, not quite, about $7600 it seems, but I didn't pay it)