| grantbow | pleia2: more crowded that usual downstairs :-) | 00:31 |
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| pleia2 | grantbow: good to know, just wrapping up some work things here and I'll be down | 00:32 |
| grantbow | s/that/than/ | 00:42 |
| grantbow | six people are at the SF Ubuntu Hour now :-) | 01:37 |
| * grantbow clicks publish for "Touch Demo Presentation" at http://grantbow.wordpress.com | 20:52 | |
| darthrobot | Title: [Open Source Reasoning | Conveying nuggets along the way] | 20:52 |
| troyready | Great post | 20:55 |
| grantbow | thanks! | 20:56 |
| raevol | why doesn't tasksel respond to ctrl+c :( | 20:56 |
| grantbow | wow, I haven't used tasksel in a long time | 21:00 |
| raevol | what do you use? tasksel is what the ubuntu wiki says to use to install lamp-server | 21:12 |
| grantbow | I do use it from the installer, but not as a separate command in a long time | 21:20 |
| raevol | hmm | 21:29 |
| grantbow | or just apt-get install | 21:38 |
| bkerensa | https://www.facebook.com/Firefox/posts/10153225363455022 | 22:35 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Redirecting...] | 22:35 |
| raevol | so i'm sorry if this has been discussed to death, but is everyone's objection to Mir the licensing issue? | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | nah, the objection is that wayland is where most projects are spending effort rewriting device drivers, and canonical decided to write their own instead | 22:40 |
| pleia2 | so they expect intel, nvidia, and then kde, xfce et all the write stuff for wayland and mir, rather than everyone working on wayland | 22:41 |
| pleia2 | canonical's argument is that wayland is slow moving development-wise difficult to work with so they want to do their own thing, but they also said this about gnome so that argument is starting to wear thin :\ | 22:42 |
| pleia2 | s/all/al | 22:42 |
| raevol | hmm | 22:43 |
| raevol | i can definitely understand gnome being hard to work with, considering how hard gnome is to use | 22:43 |
| pleia2 | wayland also isn't moving fast enough for canonical to use it soon as the display manager for phones within a few months (probably true) | 22:43 |
| pleia2 | the gnome community has historically been a bit difficult to work with | 22:44 |
| raevol | hmm | 22:45 |
| pleia2 | my inclination is that they should have just found a way to work with wayland rather than create their whole new thing, but I am not well-versed in the technical or social concerns there | 22:45 |
| raevol | i can understand not wanting to fragment display servers and such, but considering canonical actually gets work done while other people sit around and twiddle their thumbs... | 22:46 |
| === mikestewart is now known as ms|afk | ||
| raevol | we'll see how people feel when mir is running like a champ and wayland is still in heavy development | 22:46 |
| raevol | we'll see though, i dunno what will happen | 22:46 |
| pleia2 | the argument is canonical should have been driving upstream wayland work and putting money there rather than "I give up, we will make our own thing!:" | 22:46 |
| pleia2 | honestly I don't know how realistic that was though, or how hard they tried | 22:47 |
| raevol | kdub might know, but might not be able to say | 22:47 |
| pleia2 | certainly is easier to just do your own thing, initially anyway | 22:47 |
| raevol | is mir still planned to ship with saucy? | 22:47 |
| pleia2 | no, XMir is though | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | xmir is just the xorg emulation thing for mir, everything still uses xorg stuff | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | (I am sure I explained that wrong, but that's the general idea) | 22:48 |
| kdub | eh, the whole worry is a bit overblown :) | 22:49 |
| raevol | hmm | 22:49 |
| raevol | will mir eliminate the need for compiz? that probably shows how little i know about this | 22:50 |
| kdub | raevol, mir is the system compositor, meaning that it is the program that owns the display | 22:50 |
| kdub | xmir is an xserver that will run on mir | 22:50 |
| kdub | and all the clients will still connect to an xserver and run that way | 22:51 |
| kdub | (in saucy) | 22:51 |
| raevol | i see | 22:51 |
| raevol | is compiz a compositor to some extent? it's a window manager right, but is it included because of it's compositing capabilties? | 22:51 |
| kdub | compiz is /X's/ compositor | 22:52 |
| pleia2 | and comes with a window manager | 22:52 |
| kdub | so if you have 3 clients connecting to X (with an xmir backend), they are assembled to 1 image via compiz | 22:52 |
| kdub | and that final image X made is handed off to mir to put on the display (without a huge performance hit) | 22:53 |
| kdub | and thats in saucy | 22:53 |
| kdub | eventually, x will get squeezed smaller | 22:53 |
| raevol | e_e | 22:54 |
| raevol | this seems needlessly complicated | 22:54 |
| raevol | but i don't know much about it | 22:54 |
| pleia2 | graphics are for n00bs anyway, cli 4ever | 22:55 |
| pleia2 | ;) | 22:55 |
| kdub | raevol, saucy's architecture is (a bit) but thats because we're transitioning to a new system | 22:55 |
| raevol | i see | 22:56 |
| raevol | pleia2: cli half-life 2 | 22:56 |
| pleia2 | that's what aalib is for | 22:56 |
| raevol | cli youtube | 22:56 |
| pleia2 | that too | 22:56 |
| raevol | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i33o71JyzYc | 22:58 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Game of the Thrones - VLC - ASCII - Linux Ncurses - YouTube] | 22:58 |
| pleia2 | I remember aalib being black and white, maybe that's an improved version :) | 22:59 |
| raevol | haha | 23:01 |
| raevol | the wonders of modern technology | 23:01 |
| raevol | next thing you know they're going to be able to render 16-bit sprites instead of just ascii characters | 23:02 |
| raevol | and maybe something they'll have full color, full resolution textures that they can render to the screen with 3d transforms and stuff.. | 23:05 |
| raevol | s/something/someday | 23:05 |
| raevol | ;P | 23:05 |
| pleia2 | lol | 23:11 |
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