[00:31] pleia2: more crowded that usual downstairs :-) [00:32] grantbow: good to know, just wrapping up some work things here and I'll be down [00:42] s/that/than/ [01:37] six people are at the SF Ubuntu Hour now :-) [20:52] * grantbow clicks publish for "Touch Demo Presentation" at http://grantbow.wordpress.com [20:52] Title: [Open Source Reasoning | Conveying nuggets along the way] [20:55] Great post [20:56] thanks! [20:56] why doesn't tasksel respond to ctrl+c :( [21:00] wow, I haven't used tasksel in a long time [21:12] what do you use? tasksel is what the ubuntu wiki says to use to install lamp-server [21:20] I do use it from the installer, but not as a separate command in a long time [21:29] hmm [21:38] or just apt-get install [22:35] https://www.facebook.com/Firefox/posts/10153225363455022 [22:35] Title: [Redirecting...] [22:37] so i'm sorry if this has been discussed to death, but is everyone's objection to Mir the licensing issue? [22:40] nah, the objection is that wayland is where most projects are spending effort rewriting device drivers, and canonical decided to write their own instead [22:41] so they expect intel, nvidia, and then kde, xfce et all the write stuff for wayland and mir, rather than everyone working on wayland [22:42] canonical's argument is that wayland is slow moving development-wise difficult to work with so they want to do their own thing, but they also said this about gnome so that argument is starting to wear thin :\ [22:42] s/all/al [22:43] hmm [22:43] i can definitely understand gnome being hard to work with, considering how hard gnome is to use [22:43] wayland also isn't moving fast enough for canonical to use it soon as the display manager for phones within a few months (probably true) [22:44] the gnome community has historically been a bit difficult to work with [22:45] hmm [22:45] my inclination is that they should have just found a way to work with wayland rather than create their whole new thing, but I am not well-versed in the technical or social concerns there [22:46] i can understand not wanting to fragment display servers and such, but considering canonical actually gets work done while other people sit around and twiddle their thumbs... === mikestewart is now known as ms|afk [22:46] we'll see how people feel when mir is running like a champ and wayland is still in heavy development [22:46] we'll see though, i dunno what will happen [22:46] the argument is canonical should have been driving upstream wayland work and putting money there rather than "I give up, we will make our own thing!:" [22:47] honestly I don't know how realistic that was though, or how hard they tried [22:47] kdub might know, but might not be able to say [22:47] certainly is easier to just do your own thing, initially anyway [22:47] is mir still planned to ship with saucy? [22:48] no, XMir is though [22:48] xmir is just the xorg emulation thing for mir, everything still uses xorg stuff [22:48] (I am sure I explained that wrong, but that's the general idea) [22:49] eh, the whole worry is a bit overblown :) [22:49] hmm [22:50] will mir eliminate the need for compiz? that probably shows how little i know about this [22:50] raevol, mir is the system compositor, meaning that it is the program that owns the display [22:50] xmir is an xserver that will run on mir [22:51] and all the clients will still connect to an xserver and run that way [22:51] (in saucy) [22:51] i see [22:51] is compiz a compositor to some extent? it's a window manager right, but is it included because of it's compositing capabilties? [22:52] compiz is /X's/ compositor [22:52] and comes with a window manager [22:52] so if you have 3 clients connecting to X (with an xmir backend), they are assembled to 1 image via compiz [22:53] and that final image X made is handed off to mir to put on the display (without a huge performance hit) [22:53] and thats in saucy [22:53] eventually, x will get squeezed smaller [22:54] e_e [22:54] this seems needlessly complicated [22:54] but i don't know much about it [22:55] graphics are for n00bs anyway, cli 4ever [22:55] ;) [22:55] raevol, saucy's architecture is (a bit) but thats because we're transitioning to a new system [22:56] i see [22:56] pleia2: cli half-life 2 [22:56] that's what aalib is for [22:56] cli youtube [22:56] that too [22:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i33o71JyzYc [22:58] Title: [Game of the Thrones - VLC - ASCII - Linux Ncurses - YouTube] [22:59] I remember aalib being black and white, maybe that's an improved version :) [23:01] haha [23:01] the wonders of modern technology [23:02] next thing you know they're going to be able to render 16-bit sprites instead of just ascii characters [23:05] and maybe something they'll have full color, full resolution textures that they can render to the screen with 3d transforms and stuff.. [23:05] s/something/someday [23:05] ;P [23:11] lol