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mazalmaaz tell ThatGraemeGuy I investigated quickly running root cronjobs and will test from tonight06:35
Maazmazal: Okay, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode06:35
Kilosmorning all of ya06:45
Kiloshi DeonP 06:49
DeonPhi Kilos06:50
mazalMore oom Kilos ,DeonP06:57
Kilosmôre mazal 06:58
ThatGraemeGuymornings06:58
MaazThatGraemeGuy: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell ThatGraemeGuy I investigated quickly running root cronjobs and will test from tonight" 23 minutes and 20 seconds ago06:58
ThatGraemeGuymazal: good stuff :)06:59
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 06:59
mazalKilos, my schedules wget worked last night. This morning I had the iso :-)06:59
Kilosis it one hand counting yet?06:59
Kiloslekker i love wget07:00
ThatGraemeGuyyes indeed, 5 more work days! :)07:00
Kilosespecially with a dicey internet07:00
Kiloshehe getting excited07:00
mazalTonight gonna let the server iso dl and start trying the root cron job for updates as well07:03
superflygood morning07:03
Kilosohi superfly 07:03
Kiloslooked last night with the pro. it wants to update daily07:04
Kilosi only do update/upgrade when data is full07:04
Kilosso cron and i arent buddies07:04
Kilosnothing worse than planning data use to last 2 months and an upgrade finishes you in 1.5 months07:06
mazalYou can schedule cron for only Fridays or only certain days of the month Kilos 07:09
Kilosill leave it till i one day get uncapped adsl07:11
Kiloshead too full of lpi and other stuff07:11
Kilosi go feed sheep07:13
Kiloshi Xethron zeref 07:39
zerefhi Kilos 07:41
Kilosgot a funny error while booting this morning i/o error Zram007:44
Kiloswhatever that might be. everything is working fine07:44
Kilosdid memory test and no probs shown07:44
Kiloshi Vince-0 07:48
Vince-0Hi07:55
zereftumbleweed: I'm trying to build a deb package to run only on python3, I followed http://www.wefearchange.org/2012/01/debian-package-for-python-2-and-3.html to package for python 3.08:07
zerefafter i install the package, I get a from  urllib.request import Request, urlopen08:07
zerefImportError: No module named request08:07
zerefaah08:07
Kiloshi bduk 08:08
zerefhttp://pastebin.com/2pEB2GLA08:08
zerefbut if the test the application using python3 *.py it works?08:10
zerefany idea why?08:10
mazalDoes anybody know , on 12.04LTS UbuntuOne , how do you see the last files that was synced ? On 13.04 the applet shows it , but 12.04's version doesn't have that applet08:23
Kilosai!08:29
magespawngood morning08:32
Kiloshi magespawn you getting there hey08:32
magespawntoday i am at the shop closing it up and organising the last few service pc's out the door08:44
Kilosah i thought youd sorted irc at work08:51
magespawnyes i logged on from there yesterday08:57
bdukMorning everyone09:03
tumbleweedzeref: are you sure you are *actually* using python3 ?09:24
tumbleweedzeref: in fact, from that traceback, you definitely are using python2.709:26
tumbleweedzeref: packaging for Python 2 & 3 just got a *lot* easier, that howto is out of date.09:26
tumbleweedman pybuild09:26
magespawnbduk: hi 09:53
Squirmhi10:00
magespawnhey Squirm10:31
Squirmhi there magespawn 10:42
Squirmrather quiet today10:42
=== zerlgi is now known as andrewlsd
magespawnyup10:44
magespawnand i am now off too10:44
Squirmalmost lunch for me10:46
zereftumbleweed: thanks. working now10:48
charlgood afternoon11:55
charlMaaz: coffee on11:56
* Maaz puts the kettle on11:56
superflyandrewlsd: ping11:59
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!12:00
charlMaaz: thanks12:00
Maazcharl: Sure12:00
charlthis is hilarious: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTjtDjCCMAA_N_M.jpg:large12:00
andrewlsdsuperfly: pong12:21
superflyandrewlsd: private message12:22
Kilosbbl14:31
DeonPfolks l2tp client problem sorted!! :D14:44
ThatGraemeGuysuperfly: you bought those kitkats locally?14:50
andrewlsd^^ -- also keen to find that out.14:55
inetproDeonP: well done15:17
inetpronow please document and share what you did for the benefit of others15:17
magespawnlater all15:22
kbmonkeyhello16:31
Kilosabend16:43
kbmonkeyhallo Kilos 16:43
kbmonkeysorry I got dc'd last night16:44
Kilosahi kbmonkey 16:44
kbmonkeydisconnected16:44
Kilosnp ian fixed16:44
Kilosor was last night16:44
Kiloshavent heard again16:44
kbmonkeyhe fixed it? wow amazing16:45
KilosSilverCode, code us to run plasma-desktop from cli and it worked16:46
Kilostold16:46
kbmonkeynice16:46
kbmonkeyof course only someone with KDE experience could have helped :]16:46
Kilosid akready got him to install all plasma stuff i got in kde and kubuntu-full and just that running in cli let it get going16:47
Kilosweird hey16:47
kbmonkeyyes, it is curious16:49
Kiloshi psychicist 16:51
psychicisthi Kilos 16:52
Kilosfirst class tomorrow night kbmonkey 16:53
kbmonkeyKilos, thanks!16:54
kbmonkeyi need to make a reminder16:54
kbmonkeydamn I'm hungry16:54
Kiloshehe16:54
kbmonkeybeen working late this week16:54
kbmonkeyits not fun16:54
Kilosget tins of gold dish curry vegetables16:54
Kilostop off and eat16:54
kbmonkeyew gross. no i like fresh food16:55
Kilosthey very lekker16:55
kbmonkeyI'll go make burgers just now16:55
kbmonkey;P16:55
Kilosthats not as healthy16:55
Kiloscurry is very healthy16:55
kbmonkeyif you think that you have not had a monkey burger!16:55
Kilosah16:55
kbmonkeylol!16:55
kbmonkeyI am amazed at how large these games are today. it blows my mind!17:06
kbmonkeythe guys at work talk about this game they play, battlefield or something. the updates are like 20+GB17:06
kbmonkeyWhat The Heck!17:06
Symmetriasup ;p17:06
Kiloswow17:06
Kiloshi Symmetria 17:06
Symmetriaso remeber a while back when I left tenet there was talking about me moving to kenya? :)17:06
Symmetriaseems like thats finally gonna happen17:07
Symmetria;p17:07
kbmonkeynice Symmetria 17:07
kbmonkeygonna go see some lions17:07
Symmetriakbmonkey lol game updates are huge17:07
Symmetriaworld of warcraft updatres are a coupla gig each time17:07
kbmonkeyI just got my data bundle doubled, and that is like still 5 times my limit,17:07
Symmetriaheh, got offered a job that Im almost certainly gonna take, the money and the position, I'd be nuts not to accept17:08
Symmetriajust trying to negotiate a bit because I figure anyone who comes with a first offer like that, is probably prepared to go higher ;p17:09
kbmonkeyindeed!17:09
Symmetriavery odd tax rules as well about being an expat17:09
Symmetriadid you know that if you are outta the country for a full month without coming back, and in total you are outta the country for 183 days in a tax year17:09
Symmetriaall foreign earnings are tax exempt in .za17:10
Symmetriawhich means, if you're working in say kenya, but you're being paid by a third country, like mauritius, technically you aren't working in kenya, so you arent taxed there17:10
Symmetriayou are never in the third country so you arent taxed there17:10
Symmetriaand you arent taxable in south africa because its all tax exempt foreign earnings17:10
Symmetriameaning, you're tax free17:10
Symmetria;p17:11
Symmetriahow awesome is thar17:11
Symmetriathat17:11
DeonPKilos!!! :)17:12
DeonPits working17:12
Kiloshi DeonP 17:12
Kiloswhat did you do17:12
Kilosmake notes17:12
Kiloswell done17:12
DeonProuting probs i did :)17:13
DeonPits the simple things that always get you lol17:13
kbmonkeygood work DeonP !17:13
kbmonkeyIm off to gomake some gains17:13
Symmetrialol routing issues arent always simple though :)17:14
Kiloshehe17:14
DeonPboss is happy, now we can host his website and email in house17:14
Symmetriawhy would he want to do that :017:14
Kiloscool17:14
Symmetriahosting websites at home is scary :) no proper infrastructure at most houses 17:14
Symmetriaoh you mean inside the company17:15
DeonPsave money :) for now, new buiseness and money is tight, VERY tight17:15
Symmetriayah that makes sense if you have the bandwidth for it :)17:15
* Symmetria tries to figure out his travel schedule 17:15
DeonPdont need too much bandwidth, and he's got proper uncapped adsl17:15
Symmetrialol, so, on friday I left home and was asked when I would be back, so I was like, not 100% sure, but I figured a week or 217:15
Symmetriaflew to mauritius, and lol, just found out before I get home, I gotta first go via mombassa, nairobi, kampala and kigali17:16
Symmetriaand chances are by the time Im done with that, I'll have to go somewhere else ;p17:16
* Symmetria is making it home for a week outta every 10 at the moment 17:16
DeonPok folks i'm off to have a rest lol will do a write-up on setting up xl2tpd on isp for fixed ip17:16
Kilospoor dog17:16
Kiloshavva good rest DeonP 17:17
Symmetrialol doggy is harassing my parents who look after her :) she loves them anyway17:17
DeonPpretty simple once you know how lol17:17
DeonPty  chat tomorrow17:17
Kilosok17:17
Symmetriahrm, wait, he's running l2tpd on linux? interesting, wonder if that v2 or v317:18
Kiloshaha hes been battling some days17:18
Symmetrialol I made my clients ceo very happy today, I managed to make his mac print to one of those giant xerox workcentre printers17:19
Kilosask him tomorrow17:19
Symmetriaand apparently no one else had been able to do that in weeks because no one else uses mac ;p17:19
Symmetria(it took me all of 30 seconds)17:20
Trixar_zaRighto17:32
Trixar_zaIt's fun compiling the kernel17:32
Trixar_zaLike creating a frankenstein monster17:32
Kiloshehe17:36
Trixar_zaFinally got buildroot to work like I want17:37
Trixar_zaSo I'm pretty happy17:37
Kilosgood17:37
Trixar_zaDoes seem to take a while to build though17:50
Kiloshow long you been busy on it now?17:50
magespawnmaybe we could also let DeonP know about that free hosting in the cape17:51
magespawnwoops17:51
Kiloswhat free hosting the one that was on facebook?17:52
Kiloshehe17:52
magespawnno that other company with the solar powered data center17:52
Kiloswhy didnt you tell me too17:52
* Kilos cries17:53
Trixar_zaabout 27 minutes17:53
magespawnsee now i am back, bet you guys did not know who was speaking 17:53
magespawnthought we did Kilos17:53
Trixar_zaBut it's to be expected17:53
* magespawn goes to google name17:53
Trixar_zaFree hosting in the cape?17:54
Squirmmagespawn: Teraco17:58
SquirmTrixar_za: afaik you need to own the server though, they'll just host it17:58
Trixar_zaAh17:58
Trixar_zaI wish I owned a server17:58
Trixar_za:P17:58
SquirmHP Proliant Microsever going for R1300 ex :(17:59
magespawnno this was free website hosting17:59
Squirm2.2Ghz AMD Dual Core, 2Gb RAM, 250Gb hdd17:59
Squirmobviously the small form factor is cool. can also take 4 hdds in total and up to 8Gb RAM17:59
Squirmafaik they also have a 150W psu18:00
KilosSquirm, explain that to me please18:00
SquirmKilos: which ?18:00
Kilosif you own the server do you take it to them?18:01
Kilosi dont savvy the hosting thing18:01
SquirmKilos: I figure so. I'd also think it'd have to be a Rackmount18:01
SquirmKilos: in a data center, you'll have a steady internet connection and there should be no downtime18:02
Kilosoh ok so you take them your hardware and they run it for you18:02
Squirmthat's why hosting is good18:02
Kilosmagespawn, find it man18:02
Kilosi still want a host for my bot18:03
magespawnpatience18:03
Kiloslol18:03
Kilosyou got no more uncapped now with shop closed?18:03
Squirmwe host our own MX and up until a few months ago our website too. but when we moved our site off-site, we got a backup mx from dyndns. so none of our mail fails, we just only receive it when we come online18:03
magespawnthis is website not bot hosting18:03
Squirmmagespawn: shop closed18:03
Squirm?18:03
magespawnstill have adsl18:04
magespawnyup from the end of the month18:04
Squirmoh wow18:04
Kilosmagespawn, gotta IT job Squirm 18:05
magespawnhttps://www.cybersmart.co.za/hosting.cgi18:05
Kiloswhere you been18:05
Squirmthat's cool magespawn. where abouts?18:05
magespawnBonamanzi18:06
magespawnjust down the road18:06
Squirmooh18:06
magespawnKilos: you might be able to host a bot here https://www.openshift.com/18:07
Kiloslemme look18:07
Kiloseish redhat18:09
mazalNaand oom18:09
Kilosoh i could alien ibid18:09
SquirmKilos: I'll stand by RedHat18:10
Kilosnaand mazal 18:10
Squirmcheers mazal 18:10
mazalHi and bye Squirm 18:10
Kilosno man goeie naand18:10
Squirmis it still good if it's cold and misty outside?18:10
Kiloslol18:11
mazalYes18:11
SquirmOutside Temperature12.4°C18:11
SquirmWind Chill12.4°C18:11
SquirmHeat Index12.4°C18:11
SquirmDewpoint10.6°C18:11
SquirmHumidity89%18:11
mazalThen you can over-induldge in indoor activities18:11
SquirmSince Midnight18:11
SquirmHigh Temperature18:11
SquirmLow Temperature 13.9°C at 15:4918:11
Squirm7.7°C at 01:1618:11
Squirmwe had a high of 13.9 today18:11
Squirmand yes, I set up a weather staion yesterday18:12
mazalbrb washing calls18:12
Kilossquirm go see how to install ibib there18:13
Kilosonce working ill maintain it if necessary18:13
Kilosibid18:13
Kilosi see they show python18:13
Kiloswould one need to convert a .deb to a rpm18:14
Squirmor compile from source18:15
Kilosalien has worked for me before18:15
Kilosi dunno how to compile18:15
Squirmwill try and set it up quickly18:15
Squirm(never used ibid though)18:15
Kilosi ran some rpm thing on maverick after using alien to convert rpm to .deb18:16
Kilosi can help you with ibid i think18:16
magespawnSquirm: one of my responsibilities is an asterisk running on a headless CentOS18:20
Kilosoh Squirm can you try set it up for me18:20
Squirmmagespawn: that's cool. I want to start getting asterisk into the school.18:21
Squirmbut we kind of need fiber too18:21
Kilosmagespawn, that asterisk is for voip right?18:21
SquirmKilos: busy setting it up18:21
Squirmand yes18:21
Kiloswont it see that im not you?18:21
magespawnnot only voip and call routing recording, music on hold, tracking etc software pbx18:22
SquirmKilos: I created an account too18:22
Squirmmagespawn: look at18:22
SquirmElastix18:22
magespawneverything call related18:22
Kilosok then can use use pc mike for calls as well magespawn ?18:22
Squirmit's an all in one communication OS18:23
magespawni saw that thanks Squirm 18:23
SquirmAsterisk, email, fax to email, email to fax, switchboard18:23
magespawnalmost anything Kilos 18:23
Kiloswow18:23
SquirmKilos: it's all voip18:23
magespawnvery powerful and free18:23
Kilosso i can install it here and use it that way for calls?18:23
Squirmand you can get cellphone apps that can connect to it18:23
SquirmKilos: you'd still need a digium card, it's basically a fancy modem type card. connects your pc to the phone line18:24
magespawnwell they have it set up to do least cost routing between voip, cell and landline18:24
Kilosah18:24
nuvolario/18:24
magespawnhey nuvolari 18:25
nuvolarihi oom Kilos, oom magespawn, uncle Squirm 18:25
nuvolari*cough* :P18:25
Kiloslo nuvolari 18:25
magespawnnow i'm an oom18:25
Kiloseerste klas more aand op #linux-studies ne18:25
magespawn?18:25
* Squirm eyes nuvolari 18:25
Squirmnuvolari: I'm now an uncle?18:25
Squirmgood evening grandfather nuvolari 18:26
Kiloshaha18:26
nuvolarimagespawn: it would surely be disrespectful to call you grandp... ok, nevermind18:26
* nuvolari ducks18:26
Squirmoh yes, I do apologise to all for my talkativeness, I had about an hour sleep last night18:26
Kiloswhew18:27
nuvolariwaarheen het oom gehol?18:27
Kiloshuh?18:28
SquirmKilos: remind me to have a look tomorrow18:28
SquirmI can't concentrate on what I need to do18:28
Kilosok ty Squirm 18:28
Squirmand think I'm going to bed18:28
Kilossleep tight18:28
Squirmnight all18:28
nuvolarinight Squirm 18:29
nuvolariKilos: oom maak whew18:29
nuvolariek dog oom blaas asem af18:29
Kilosdie min slaap man18:29
Kiloshehe18:29
nuvolariah18:29
nuvolariwat gebeur in more-aand se klas oom?18:29
Kilosek sukkel met my volk18:29
magespawncheers Squirm 18:29
Kilosek weet nie18:30
Kiloskom kyk18:30
nuvolaribbiab, phonecall18:31
Kilosmazal, why dont you join our LPI classes18:32
Kilosslack18:33
Symmetriadamnnnn18:49
SymmetriaI been looking at rental options in kenya18:49
Symmetriawith the housing budget I got, hahahahahahhaha 18:49
SymmetriaI could rent a damn mansion18:49
Symmetriain the best area of nairobi18:49
magespawnnothing wrong with that18:50
Symmetriaheh, you can rent a 4 bedroom house18:50
Symmetriawith a swimming pool18:50
Symmetriacctv18:50
Symmetriaa braai area 18:50
Symmetriadstv included18:50
Symmetriafor R16k ZAR a month18:51
Symmetriaif you push that to 25k ZAR a month you can have an 8 bedroom house with 8 on suite bathrooms 18:51
Symmetria;p like what the hell18:51
Symmetriayou could run a bloody guesthouse outta that18:51
magespawnhow much is that locally?18:51
Symmetriaheh, for the 4 bedroom place in capetown?18:53
Symmetriadouble that, easily18:53
Symmetriafor an 8 bedroom place? in capetown that will run you 50 - 60 k a month 18:53
magespawnno i mean how much is that in kenya?18:54
Symmetriaoh the 4 bedroom place as I said, about 16 thousand rand (about 160 thousand shillings)18:55
Symmetriathe 8 bedroom place about 250 thousand shillings (25 thousand rand)18:55
magespawnimage you got the housing allowance in pounds 18:56
magespawncost of living? cheap?18:56
magespawnalways nice to be paid in one currency and spend in another with exchange rates like that18:57
Symmetriacost of living is dirt cheap18:58
SymmetriaI get paid in dollars and housing allowance is in dollars18:58
mazalSleep well everyone19:04
mazalbye19:04
Kilosnight mazal 19:04
magespawncheers mazal 19:05
Kilossleep tight19:05
magespawni telkom is doing a 20 gig renew your contract deal for R199 per month * 2419:06
Kiloswhew19:06
magespawn^see19:08
magespawnotherwise 10 gig 8ta for R19919:08
magespawnafrihost has mtn 10 gig at R197 month to month no contract19:09
Kilosyeah  i think thats what graeme got19:09
Kiloswith that modem goodie19:10
magespawntempting if i could get good mtn coverage19:10
Kilosyeah me too but mtn sucks large here19:11
Kilosoffline every 2nd or third day and only edge19:11
magespawnkinda want vodacom to do a similar deal19:13
Kilosnight guys. i go crsah19:16
Kilossleep tight19:16
Kiloscrash too19:16
magespawnsleep well Kilos 19:17
magespawnman my timing is off tonight19:17
magespawnbed time for me, good night all19:35
inetprohmm...19:48
inetproMaaz: is https://twitter.com/ down?19:48
Maazinetpro: No, it's just you19:48
inetproai!19:48
inetproseems to be down by my side19:48
nuvolarithis isn't funny21:17
nuvolari'talk' is supposed to be easy on linux21:17
nuvolariI just spent more than 20 minutes and I still can't figure it out21:17

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