[06:35] <mazal> maaz tell ThatGraemeGuy I investigated quickly running root cronjobs and will test from tonight
[06:35] <Maaz> mazal: Okay, I'll tell ThatGraemeGuy on freenode
[06:45] <Kilos> morning all of ya
[06:49] <Kilos> hi DeonP 
[06:50] <DeonP> hi Kilos
[06:57] <mazal> More oom Kilos ,DeonP
[06:58] <Kilos> môre mazal 
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:58] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell ThatGraemeGuy I investigated quickly running root cronjobs and will test from tonight" 23 minutes and 20 seconds ago
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: good stuff :)
[06:59] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:59] <mazal> Kilos, my schedules wget worked last night. This morning I had the iso :-)
[06:59] <Kilos> is it one hand counting yet?
[07:00] <Kilos> lekker i love wget
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes indeed, 5 more work days! :)
[07:00] <Kilos> especially with a dicey internet
[07:00] <Kilos> hehe getting excited
[07:03] <mazal> Tonight gonna let the server iso dl and start trying the root cron job for updates as well
[07:03] <superfly> good morning
[07:03] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[07:04] <Kilos> looked last night with the pro. it wants to update daily
[07:04] <Kilos> i only do update/upgrade when data is full
[07:04] <Kilos> so cron and i arent buddies
[07:06] <Kilos> nothing worse than planning data use to last 2 months and an upgrade finishes you in 1.5 months
[07:09] <mazal> You can schedule cron for only Fridays or only certain days of the month Kilos 
[07:11] <Kilos> ill leave it till i one day get uncapped adsl
[07:11] <Kilos> head too full of lpi and other stuff
[07:13] <Kilos> i go feed sheep
[07:39] <Kilos> hi Xethron zeref 
[07:41] <zeref> hi Kilos 
[07:44] <Kilos> got a funny error while booting this morning i/o error Zram0
[07:44] <Kilos> whatever that might be. everything is working fine
[07:44] <Kilos> did memory test and no probs shown
[07:48] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:55] <Vince-0> Hi
[08:07] <zeref> tumbleweed: I'm trying to build a deb package to run only on python3, I followed http://www.wefearchange.org/2012/01/debian-package-for-python-2-and-3.html to package for python 3.
[08:07] <zeref> after i install the package, I get a from  urllib.request import Request, urlopen
[08:07] <zeref> ImportError: No module named request
[08:07] <zeref> aah
[08:08] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[08:08] <zeref> http://pastebin.com/2pEB2GLA
[08:10] <zeref> but if the test the application using python3 *.py it works?
[08:10] <zeref> any idea why?
[08:23] <mazal> Does anybody know , on 12.04LTS UbuntuOne , how do you see the last files that was synced ? On 13.04 the applet shows it , but 12.04's version doesn't have that applet
[08:29] <Kilos> ai!
[08:32] <magespawn> good morning
[08:32] <Kilos> hi magespawn you getting there hey
[08:44] <magespawn> today i am at the shop closing it up and organising the last few service pc's out the door
[08:51] <Kilos> ah i thought youd sorted irc at work
[08:57] <magespawn> yes i logged on from there yesterday
[09:03] <bduk> Morning everyone
[09:24] <tumbleweed> zeref: are you sure you are *actually* using python3 ?
[09:26] <tumbleweed> zeref: in fact, from that traceback, you definitely are using python2.7
[09:26] <tumbleweed> zeref: packaging for Python 2 & 3 just got a *lot* easier, that howto is out of date.
[09:26] <tumbleweed> man pybuild
[09:53] <magespawn> bduk: hi 
[10:00] <Squirm> hi
[10:31] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[10:42] <Squirm> hi there magespawn 
[10:42] <Squirm> rather quiet today
[10:44] <magespawn> yup
[10:44] <magespawn> and i am now off too
[10:46] <Squirm> almost lunch for me
[10:48] <zeref> tumbleweed: thanks. working now
[11:55] <charl> good afternoon
[11:56] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:56]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:59] <superfly> andrewlsd: ping
[12:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:00] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[12:00] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[12:00] <charl> this is hilarious: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTjtDjCCMAA_N_M.jpg:large
[12:21] <andrewlsd> superfly: pong
[12:22] <superfly> andrewlsd: private message
[14:31] <Kilos> bbl
[14:44] <DeonP> folks l2tp client problem sorted!! :D
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: you bought those kitkats locally?
[14:55] <andrewlsd> ^^ -- also keen to find that out.
[15:17] <inetpro> DeonP: well done
[15:17] <inetpro> now please document and share what you did for the benefit of others
[15:22] <magespawn> later all
[16:31] <kbmonkey> hello
[16:43] <Kilos> abend
[16:43] <kbmonkey> hallo Kilos 
[16:44] <kbmonkey> sorry I got dc'd last night
[16:44] <Kilos> ahi kbmonkey 
[16:44] <kbmonkey> disconnected
[16:44] <Kilos> np ian fixed
[16:44] <Kilos> or was last night
[16:44] <Kilos> havent heard again
[16:45] <kbmonkey> he fixed it? wow amazing
[16:46] <Kilos> SilverCode, code us to run plasma-desktop from cli and it worked
[16:46] <Kilos> told
[16:46] <kbmonkey> nice
[16:46] <kbmonkey> of course only someone with KDE experience could have helped :]
[16:47] <Kilos> id akready got him to install all plasma stuff i got in kde and kubuntu-full and just that running in cli let it get going
[16:47] <Kilos> weird hey
[16:49] <kbmonkey> yes, it is curious
[16:51] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[16:52] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[16:53] <Kilos> first class tomorrow night kbmonkey 
[16:54] <kbmonkey> Kilos, thanks!
[16:54] <kbmonkey> i need to make a reminder
[16:54] <kbmonkey> damn I'm hungry
[16:54] <Kilos> hehe
[16:54] <kbmonkey> been working late this week
[16:54] <kbmonkey> its not fun
[16:54] <Kilos> get tins of gold dish curry vegetables
[16:54] <Kilos> top off and eat
[16:55] <kbmonkey> ew gross. no i like fresh food
[16:55] <Kilos> they very lekker
[16:55] <kbmonkey> I'll go make burgers just now
[16:55] <kbmonkey> ;P
[16:55] <Kilos> thats not as healthy
[16:55] <Kilos> curry is very healthy
[16:55] <kbmonkey> if you think that you have not had a monkey burger!
[16:55] <Kilos> ah
[16:55] <kbmonkey> lol!
[17:06] <kbmonkey> I am amazed at how large these games are today. it blows my mind!
[17:06] <kbmonkey> the guys at work talk about this game they play, battlefield or something. the updates are like 20+GB
[17:06] <kbmonkey> What The Heck!
[17:06] <Symmetria> sup ;p
[17:06] <Kilos> wow
[17:06] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[17:06] <Symmetria> so remeber a while back when I left tenet there was talking about me moving to kenya? :)
[17:07] <Symmetria> seems like thats finally gonna happen
[17:07] <Symmetria> ;p
[17:07] <kbmonkey> nice Symmetria 
[17:07] <kbmonkey> gonna go see some lions
[17:07] <Symmetria> kbmonkey lol game updates are huge
[17:07] <Symmetria> world of warcraft updatres are a coupla gig each time
[17:07] <kbmonkey> I just got my data bundle doubled, and that is like still 5 times my limit,
[17:08] <Symmetria> heh, got offered a job that Im almost certainly gonna take, the money and the position, I'd be nuts not to accept
[17:09] <Symmetria> just trying to negotiate a bit because I figure anyone who comes with a first offer like that, is probably prepared to go higher ;p
[17:09] <kbmonkey> indeed!
[17:09] <Symmetria> very odd tax rules as well about being an expat
[17:09] <Symmetria> did you know that if you are outta the country for a full month without coming back, and in total you are outta the country for 183 days in a tax year
[17:10] <Symmetria> all foreign earnings are tax exempt in .za
[17:10] <Symmetria> which means, if you're working in say kenya, but you're being paid by a third country, like mauritius, technically you aren't working in kenya, so you arent taxed there
[17:10] <Symmetria> you are never in the third country so you arent taxed there
[17:10] <Symmetria> and you arent taxable in south africa because its all tax exempt foreign earnings
[17:10] <Symmetria> meaning, you're tax free
[17:11] <Symmetria> ;p
[17:11] <Symmetria> how awesome is thar
[17:11] <Symmetria> that
[17:12] <DeonP> Kilos!!! :)
[17:12] <DeonP> its working
[17:12] <Kilos> hi DeonP 
[17:12] <Kilos> what did you do
[17:12] <Kilos> make notes
[17:12] <Kilos> well done
[17:13] <DeonP> routing probs i did :)
[17:13] <DeonP> its the simple things that always get you lol
[17:13] <kbmonkey> good work DeonP !
[17:13] <kbmonkey> Im off to gomake some gains
[17:14] <Symmetria> lol routing issues arent always simple though :)
[17:14] <Kilos> hehe
[17:14] <DeonP> boss is happy, now we can host his website and email in house
[17:14] <Symmetria> why would he want to do that :0
[17:14] <Kilos> cool
[17:14] <Symmetria> hosting websites at home is scary :) no proper infrastructure at most houses 
[17:15] <Symmetria> oh you mean inside the company
[17:15] <DeonP> save money :) for now, new buiseness and money is tight, VERY tight
[17:15] <Symmetria> yah that makes sense if you have the bandwidth for it :)
[17:15]  * Symmetria tries to figure out his travel schedule 
[17:15] <DeonP> dont need too much bandwidth, and he's got proper uncapped adsl
[17:15] <Symmetria> lol, so, on friday I left home and was asked when I would be back, so I was like, not 100% sure, but I figured a week or 2
[17:16] <Symmetria> flew to mauritius, and lol, just found out before I get home, I gotta first go via mombassa, nairobi, kampala and kigali
[17:16] <Symmetria> and chances are by the time Im done with that, I'll have to go somewhere else ;p
[17:16]  * Symmetria is making it home for a week outta every 10 at the moment 
[17:16] <DeonP> ok folks i'm off to have a rest lol will do a write-up on setting up xl2tpd on isp for fixed ip
[17:16] <Kilos> poor dog
[17:17] <Kilos> havva good rest DeonP 
[17:17] <Symmetria> lol doggy is harassing my parents who look after her :) she loves them anyway
[17:17] <DeonP> pretty simple once you know how lol
[17:17] <DeonP> ty  chat tomorrow
[17:17] <Kilos> ok
[17:18] <Symmetria> hrm, wait, he's running l2tpd on linux? interesting, wonder if that v2 or v3
[17:18] <Kilos> haha hes been battling some days
[17:19] <Symmetria> lol I made my clients ceo very happy today, I managed to make his mac print to one of those giant xerox workcentre printers
[17:19] <Kilos> ask him tomorrow
[17:19] <Symmetria> and apparently no one else had been able to do that in weeks because no one else uses mac ;p
[17:20] <Symmetria> (it took me all of 30 seconds)
[17:32] <Trixar_za> Righto
[17:32] <Trixar_za> It's fun compiling the kernel
[17:32] <Trixar_za> Like creating a frankenstein monster
[17:36] <Kilos> hehe
[17:37] <Trixar_za> Finally got buildroot to work like I want
[17:37] <Trixar_za> So I'm pretty happy
[17:37] <Kilos> good
[17:50] <Trixar_za> Does seem to take a while to build though
[17:50] <Kilos> how long you been busy on it now?
[17:51] <magespawn> maybe we could also let DeonP know about that free hosting in the cape
[17:51] <magespawn> woops
[17:52] <Kilos> what free hosting the one that was on facebook?
[17:52] <Kilos> hehe
[17:52] <magespawn> no that other company with the solar powered data center
[17:52] <Kilos> why didnt you tell me too
[17:53]  * Kilos cries
[17:53] <Trixar_za> about 27 minutes
[17:53] <magespawn> see now i am back, bet you guys did not know who was speaking 
[17:53] <magespawn> thought we did Kilos
[17:53] <Trixar_za> But it's to be expected
[17:53]  * magespawn goes to google name
[17:54] <Trixar_za> Free hosting in the cape?
[17:58] <Squirm> magespawn: Teraco
[17:58] <Squirm> Trixar_za: afaik you need to own the server though, they'll just host it
[17:58] <Trixar_za> Ah
[17:58] <Trixar_za> I wish I owned a server
[17:58] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:59] <Squirm> HP Proliant Microsever going for R1300 ex :(
[17:59] <magespawn> no this was free website hosting
[17:59] <Squirm> 2.2Ghz AMD Dual Core, 2Gb RAM, 250Gb hdd
[17:59] <Squirm> obviously the small form factor is cool. can also take 4 hdds in total and up to 8Gb RAM
[18:00] <Squirm> afaik they also have a 150W psu
[18:00] <Kilos> Squirm, explain that to me please
[18:00] <Squirm> Kilos: which ?
[18:01] <Kilos> if you own the server do you take it to them?
[18:01] <Kilos> i dont savvy the hosting thing
[18:01] <Squirm> Kilos: I figure so. I'd also think it'd have to be a Rackmount
[18:02] <Squirm> Kilos: in a data center, you'll have a steady internet connection and there should be no downtime
[18:02] <Kilos> oh ok so you take them your hardware and they run it for you
[18:02] <Squirm> that's why hosting is good
[18:02] <Kilos> magespawn, find it man
[18:03] <Kilos> i still want a host for my bot
[18:03] <magespawn> patience
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> you got no more uncapped now with shop closed?
[18:03] <Squirm> we host our own MX and up until a few months ago our website too. but when we moved our site off-site, we got a backup mx from dyndns. so none of our mail fails, we just only receive it when we come online
[18:03] <magespawn> this is website not bot hosting
[18:03] <Squirm> magespawn: shop closed
[18:03] <Squirm> ?
[18:04] <magespawn> still have adsl
[18:04] <magespawn> yup from the end of the month
[18:04] <Squirm> oh wow
[18:05] <Kilos> magespawn, gotta IT job Squirm 
[18:05] <magespawn> https://www.cybersmart.co.za/hosting.cgi
[18:05] <Kilos> where you been
[18:05] <Squirm> that's cool magespawn. where abouts?
[18:06] <magespawn> Bonamanzi
[18:06] <magespawn> just down the road
[18:06] <Squirm> ooh
[18:07] <magespawn> Kilos: you might be able to host a bot here https://www.openshift.com/
[18:07] <Kilos> lemme look
[18:09] <Kilos> eish redhat
[18:09] <mazal> Naand oom
[18:09] <Kilos> oh i could alien ibid
[18:10] <Squirm> Kilos: I'll stand by RedHat
[18:10] <Kilos> naand mazal 
[18:10] <Squirm> cheers mazal 
[18:10] <mazal> Hi and bye Squirm 
[18:10] <Kilos> no man goeie naand
[18:10] <Squirm> is it still good if it's cold and misty outside?
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <mazal> Yes
[18:11] <Squirm> Outside Temperature	12.4°C
[18:11] <Squirm> Wind Chill	12.4°C
[18:11] <Squirm> Heat Index	12.4°C
[18:11] <Squirm> Dewpoint	10.6°C
[18:11] <Squirm> Humidity	89%
[18:11] <mazal> Then you can over-induldge in indoor activities
[18:11] <Squirm> Since Midnight
[18:11] <Squirm> High Temperature
[18:11] <Squirm> Low Temperature	 13.9°C at 15:49
[18:11] <Squirm> 7.7°C at 01:16
[18:11] <Squirm> we had a high of 13.9 today
[18:12] <Squirm> and yes, I set up a weather staion yesterday
[18:12] <mazal> brb washing calls
[18:13] <Kilos> squirm go see how to install ibib there
[18:13] <Kilos> once working ill maintain it if necessary
[18:13] <Kilos> ibid
[18:13] <Kilos> i see they show python
[18:14] <Kilos> would one need to convert a .deb to a rpm
[18:15] <Squirm> or compile from source
[18:15] <Kilos> alien has worked for me before
[18:15] <Kilos> i dunno how to compile
[18:15] <Squirm> will try and set it up quickly
[18:15] <Squirm> (never used ibid though)
[18:16] <Kilos> i ran some rpm thing on maverick after using alien to convert rpm to .deb
[18:16] <Kilos> i can help you with ibid i think
[18:20] <magespawn> Squirm: one of my responsibilities is an asterisk running on a headless CentOS
[18:20] <Kilos> oh Squirm can you try set it up for me
[18:21] <Squirm> magespawn: that's cool. I want to start getting asterisk into the school.
[18:21] <Squirm> but we kind of need fiber too
[18:21] <Kilos> magespawn, that asterisk is for voip right?
[18:21] <Squirm> Kilos: busy setting it up
[18:21] <Squirm> and yes
[18:21] <Kilos> wont it see that im not you?
[18:22] <magespawn> not only voip and call routing recording, music on hold, tracking etc software pbx
[18:22] <Squirm> Kilos: I created an account too
[18:22] <Squirm> magespawn: look at
[18:22] <Squirm> Elastix
[18:22] <magespawn> everything call related
[18:22] <Kilos> ok then can use use pc mike for calls as well magespawn ?
[18:23] <Squirm> it's an all in one communication OS
[18:23] <magespawn> i saw that thanks Squirm 
[18:23] <Squirm> Asterisk, email, fax to email, email to fax, switchboard
[18:23] <magespawn> almost anything Kilos 
[18:23] <Kilos> wow
[18:23] <Squirm> Kilos: it's all voip
[18:23] <magespawn> very powerful and free
[18:23] <Kilos> so i can install it here and use it that way for calls?
[18:23] <Squirm> and you can get cellphone apps that can connect to it
[18:24] <Squirm> Kilos: you'd still need a digium card, it's basically a fancy modem type card. connects your pc to the phone line
[18:24] <magespawn> well they have it set up to do least cost routing between voip, cell and landline
[18:24] <Kilos> ah
[18:24] <nuvolari> o/
[18:25] <magespawn> hey nuvolari 
[18:25] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos, oom magespawn, uncle Squirm 
[18:25] <nuvolari> *cough* :P
[18:25] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[18:25] <magespawn> now i'm an oom
[18:25] <Kilos> eerste klas more aand op #linux-studies ne
[18:25] <magespawn> ?
[18:25]  * Squirm eyes nuvolari 
[18:25] <Squirm> nuvolari: I'm now an uncle?
[18:26] <Squirm> good evening grandfather nuvolari 
[18:26] <Kilos> haha
[18:26] <nuvolari> magespawn: it would surely be disrespectful to call you grandp... ok, nevermind
[18:26]  * nuvolari ducks
[18:26] <Squirm> oh yes, I do apologise to all for my talkativeness, I had about an hour sleep last night
[18:27] <Kilos> whew
[18:27] <nuvolari> waarheen het oom gehol?
[18:28] <Kilos> huh?
[18:28] <Squirm> Kilos: remind me to have a look tomorrow
[18:28] <Squirm> I can't concentrate on what I need to do
[18:28] <Kilos> ok ty Squirm 
[18:28] <Squirm> and think I'm going to bed
[18:28] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:28] <Squirm> night all
[18:29] <nuvolari> night Squirm 
[18:29] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom maak whew
[18:29] <nuvolari> ek dog oom blaas asem af
[18:29] <Kilos> die min slaap man
[18:29] <Kilos> hehe
[18:29] <nuvolari> ah
[18:29] <nuvolari> wat gebeur in more-aand se klas oom?
[18:29] <Kilos> ek sukkel met my volk
[18:29] <magespawn> cheers Squirm 
[18:30] <Kilos> ek weet nie
[18:30] <Kilos> kom kyk
[18:31] <nuvolari> bbiab, phonecall
[18:32] <Kilos> mazal, why dont you join our LPI classes
[18:33] <Kilos> slack
[18:49] <Symmetria> damnnnn
[18:49] <Symmetria> I been looking at rental options in kenya
[18:49] <Symmetria> with the housing budget I got, hahahahahahhaha 
[18:49] <Symmetria> I could rent a damn mansion
[18:49] <Symmetria> in the best area of nairobi
[18:50] <magespawn> nothing wrong with that
[18:50] <Symmetria> heh, you can rent a 4 bedroom house
[18:50] <Symmetria> with a swimming pool
[18:50] <Symmetria> cctv
[18:50] <Symmetria> a braai area 
[18:50] <Symmetria> dstv included
[18:51] <Symmetria> for R16k ZAR a month
[18:51] <Symmetria> if you push that to 25k ZAR a month you can have an 8 bedroom house with 8 on suite bathrooms 
[18:51] <Symmetria> ;p like what the hell
[18:51] <Symmetria> you could run a bloody guesthouse outta that
[18:51] <magespawn> how much is that locally?
[18:53] <Symmetria> heh, for the 4 bedroom place in capetown?
[18:53] <Symmetria> double that, easily
[18:53] <Symmetria> for an 8 bedroom place? in capetown that will run you 50 - 60 k a month 
[18:54] <magespawn> no i mean how much is that in kenya?
[18:55] <Symmetria> oh the 4 bedroom place as I said, about 16 thousand rand (about 160 thousand shillings)
[18:55] <Symmetria> the 8 bedroom place about 250 thousand shillings (25 thousand rand)
[18:56] <magespawn> image you got the housing allowance in pounds 
[18:56] <magespawn> cost of living? cheap?
[18:57] <magespawn> always nice to be paid in one currency and spend in another with exchange rates like that
[18:58] <Symmetria> cost of living is dirt cheap
[18:58] <Symmetria> I get paid in dollars and housing allowance is in dollars
[19:04] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[19:04] <mazal> bye
[19:04] <Kilos> night mazal 
[19:05] <magespawn> cheers mazal 
[19:05] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:06] <magespawn> i telkom is doing a 20 gig renew your contract deal for R199 per month * 24
[19:06] <Kilos> whew
[19:08] <magespawn> ^see
[19:08] <magespawn> otherwise 10 gig 8ta for R199
[19:09] <magespawn> afrihost has mtn 10 gig at R197 month to month no contract
[19:09] <Kilos> yeah  i think thats what graeme got
[19:10] <Kilos> with that modem goodie
[19:10] <magespawn> tempting if i could get good mtn coverage
[19:11] <Kilos> yeah me too but mtn sucks large here
[19:11] <Kilos> offline every 2nd or third day and only edge
[19:13] <magespawn> kinda want vodacom to do a similar deal
[19:16] <Kilos> night guys. i go crsah
[19:16] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:16] <Kilos> crash too
[19:17] <magespawn> sleep well Kilos 
[19:17] <magespawn> man my timing is off tonight
[19:35] <magespawn> bed time for me, good night all
[19:48] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:48] <inetpro> Maaz: is https://twitter.com/ down?
[19:48] <Maaz> inetpro: No, it's just you
[19:48] <inetpro> ai!
[19:48] <inetpro> seems to be down by my side
[21:17] <nuvolari> this isn't funny
[21:17] <nuvolari> 'talk' is supposed to be easy on linux
[21:17] <nuvolari> I just spent more than 20 minutes and I still can't figure it out