[04:42] <xequence> Good morning
[05:23] <xequence> smartboyhw: I was just about to create a LP project for  linux-rt and saw you already created one. Could you please transfer ownership to ubuntustudio-core. I would like to integrate that project into ubuntustudio-project
[05:26] <xequence> We don't really require a special linux-rt team. And the source will not be kept in a bzr branch anyway. 
[05:26] <xequence> I'll give you access to the hit trees once that becomes relevant
[05:26] <xequence> git*
[05:27] <xequence> currently I'm the only one who can sign the packages
[05:28] <xequence> And I will do that for linux-rt as well. 
[08:19] <xequence> smartboyhw I have a message for you in the backlog :)
[08:19] <smartboyhw> xequence, what?
[08:19]  * smartboyhw hasn't checked the backlog yet
[08:20] <xequence> Evidently not
[08:21] <smartboyhw> xequence, sure, transferring
[08:23] <xequence> smartboyhw: Thanks. There's no absolute reason for linux-rt to be apart of the Ubuntu Studio project, but for now it serves a purpose
[08:24] <smartboyhw> xequence, you now have control over the project
[08:25] <xequence> smartboyhw Thanks again
[08:25] <smartboyhw> xequence, tell me when you can review my problem in the -rt branch
[08:25] <smartboyhw> I currently am busy packaging in Kubuntu-.-
[08:28] <xequence> Someone soon. Doing planning and reorganization right now. Going to get more serious at getting more developers involved. 
[08:28] <smartboyhw> xequence, sure
[09:01] <knome> smartboyhw, re: yesterday, where did your sense of humour disappear?
[09:02] <smartboyhw> knome, what?
[09:05] <knome> smartboyhw, "breaking launchpad" ?
[09:05] <smartboyhw> knome, in here.
[09:05] <knome> try to show it more..
[09:06] <xequence> LP fun using Android
[09:07] <xequence> My train was one hour late. Made me miss my connection. Swedish accuracy...
[09:07] <smartboyhw> xequence, when I went to Britain, I saw a schedule train never arrived:P
[09:08] <xequence> One hour is just a minor delay here
[09:08] <knome> come to finland in the winter and scheduled trains not arriving is the norm :P
[09:08] <xequence> smartboyhw: must have been the one Harry Potter tales to school
[09:09] <smartboyhw> xequence, not that
[09:09] <knome> (not really, but somehow the snow surprises the train company *every* winter)
[09:09] <xequence> It disappeared in the middle somewhere
[09:10] <smartboyhw> We went to Windsor Castle the final day. At the Windsor and Eton Central Station I saw a train supposed to arrive then depart at 14:00. It never arrived. The next scheduled train, 14:20, arrived punctually. The train board status just showed it as "delayed".
[09:10] <xequence> knome: that is surprising. Since you at least have snow*every*year
[09:10] <smartboyhw> And one day when we went into Central London using train, ours was 6 minutes late (only), and the train decided to skip stations-.-
[09:10] <knome> xequence, exactly...
[09:10] <smartboyhw> Fortunately for us, we alight at the destination (so not a problem for us)
[09:11] <knome> smartboyhw, do you imagine how it would affect the whole system in london if trains decided to keep stopping even if they are late? :)
[09:11] <smartboyhw> knome, I do:P
[09:12] <smartboyhw> CATASTROPHIC
[09:12] <knome> you know the geography of finland makes all the long-distance trains be linear, A->B routes?
[09:12] <knome> (helsinki is in the south, every train wants to go there)
[09:13] <knome> so the train usually leave helsinki in time...
[09:13] <knome> but oh my, when i traveled a lot more with trains in 2005, they were mostly late at (my) destination because they had problems shutting the doors
[09:13] <smartboyhw> knome, heh heh 
[09:14] <knome> that almost diminished the speed difference of the trains
[09:14] <knome> i mean, i took faster trains, because... you get to your destination faster
[09:14] <knome> but nope, the regular trains didn't have door problems...
[09:15] <smartboyhw> knome, so great of Western engineering;p
[09:16] <knome> italian...
[09:17] <smartboyhw> knome, heh
[09:24] <xequence> .We have Italian trams ; )
[09:25] <smartboyhw> xequence, heh heh
[09:25] <xequence> The company went bankrupt before delivering all if the trams
[09:26] <smartboyhw> xequence, -.-
[09:29] <xequence>  They are not bad during summer time. Italians know the value of air conditioning
[09:30] <xequence> We have a few warm days, yearly. One or two. 
[10:15] <smartboyhw> Welcome cub 
[10:24] <cub> thank you thank you
[10:25] <cub> how's everything going along?
[10:25]  * cub has read the logs though
[10:25] <smartboyhw> cub, great. 
[10:26] <cub> how's the schedule for the next beta?
[10:27] <smartboyhw> cub, 26/Sep I think
[10:27] <cub> alright
[10:28] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, has the updates for ubuntustudio-default-settings upgrade bugs (13.04 -> 13.10) landed in the archive?
[10:28] <cub> smartboyhw, while testing Orca I have discovered an issue with the dependencies. It needs to have speech-dispather installed to work but that is not listed as a dependency when installing Orca.
[10:29] <xequence> cub: I want referring to you at all before. I was getting to the person nobody.  Like the user nobody
[10:29] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:29] <smartboyhw> cub, huh
[10:29] <cub> hehe ok xequence 
[10:29] <smartboyhw> cub, fix it?
[10:29] <smartboyhw> Should be simple enough
[10:29] <cub> smartboyhw, that's the thing. Since it's FF can we add another package? Or do we tweak the orca package? Or should I chase upstream?
[10:30] <smartboyhw> cub, is speech-dispather in Ubuntu (or Debian)?
[10:30] <cub> yes
[10:30] <xequence> Sorry for the creative spelling. That's my Android trying to have AI
[10:30] <smartboyhw> cub, that's no need an FF
[10:30] <smartboyhw> (FFe)
[10:30] <cub>  I just did a apt-get install speech-dispather and it worked.
[10:30] <smartboyhw> It's fixing bugs
[10:31] <smartboyhw> cub, can you report a bug on that?
[10:31] <smartboyhw> So either you or me or OvenWerks or zequence can fix that
[10:31] <cub> weird though that orca doesn't list speech-dispatcher as a dependency in the first place
[10:31] <cub> smartboyhw yup will do.
[10:32] <smartboyhw> cub, I would rather want you to learn the process of fixing it:)
[10:33] <cub> sure, I was just uncertain if we should fix it for us or the right way to go was to get the Orca devel team to fix it upstream. The mostly build for gnome though so it could be a xfce issue
[10:33] <smartboyhw> cub, tell Orca to document it as a dep. But we need to fix it in Ubuntu.
[10:34] <cub> cool
[10:34] <xequence> Fix it for us first.
[10:34] <xequence> Then file a big to Debian
[10:35] <smartboyhw> big lol
[10:35] <xequence> Or find who P
[10:35] <xequence> Packages it and complain on their mail list
[10:35] <smartboyhw> Most likely it will be the Debian GNOME maintainers
[10:35] <cub> It doesn't work that well after installation though. But as long as it will get the people through the installation process they can tweak everything after they are up and running.
[10:35] <smartboyhw> If otherwise, jsut directly ping the packager.
[10:36] <cub> I'll try the orca mailing list
[10:36] <smartboyhw> cub, may us fix it in Ubuntu (and maybe Debian) first
[10:36] <smartboyhw> :P
[10:37] <cub> yeah
[10:38] <cub> coudl be that the recommendation will be that one should run gnome instead of xfce once installed to get better accessibility.
[10:38] <smartboyhw> cub, technically, yes
[10:38] <cub> or no X at all
[10:38] <smartboyhw> xequential, how many xequen- accounts have you registered?! :P
[10:39] <xequential> Accidentally shut off the client
[10:40] <smartboyhw> xequential, OK
[10:40] <xequential> cub: the orca mail list is just for the application itself. This is a packaging problem. If the package is done in Debian, and them imported, you need to turn to a Debian mail list
[10:41] <xequential> cub: check the source for info. Get it with: pull-lp-source orca
[10:42] <xequential> cub: look through the files in the Debian folder. 
[10:42] <smartboyhw> xequential, it's packaged in Ubuntu directly it seems
[10:42] <xequential> Yeah? 
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[10:42] <smartboyhw> xequential, so not imported from Debian
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Good time for cub to fix:P
[10:42] <xequential> Then it's a Ubuntu bug - or it may be intentional to
[10:42]  * smartboyhw looks at the code
[10:43] <smartboyhw> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/gnome-orca/saucy/view/head:/debian/README.Debian
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Weird
[10:43] <xequential> Discuss it on a proper mail list. Either ubuntu-devel-discuss our something more specific
[10:43] <smartboyhw> (Why should people run the command first when they don't read the file?)
[10:48] <cub> I will follow up on the packaging
[10:51] <smartboyhw> cub, awesome
[13:12] <ttoine> hello
[13:17] <madeinkobaia> ttoine: Hi
[13:18] <ttoine> hey madeinkobaia. What would you like to tell me last time ?
[13:21] <madeinkobaia> ttoine: I would like to know if its possible to customize our spreadshirt gallery, by adding a banner, play with colors, etc.
[13:24] <ttoine> hum
[13:24] <ttoine> not really
[13:25] <ttoine> I used a dark background theme because of our logo, that is not visible on white background
[13:25] <ttoine> that's all
[13:25] <madeinkobaia> ttoine: Ok, nevermind.
[13:25] <ttoine> zequence already asked me, and we can change only a few things, and a few themes are available. on ly one dark
[13:35] <madeinkobaia> ttoine: ok
[13:36] <madeinkobaia> ttoine: Otherwise, how are the sales and feedbacks about our webshop ?
[13:40] <ttoine> low ;-)
[13:41] <madeinkobaia> :(
[13:41] <smartboyhw> :(
[13:42] <smartboyhw> I contacted OMG! Ubuntu to promote about our shop, but they never replied
[13:42] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw: Was a good idea.
[13:42] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, never replied is not a good idea
[13:43] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw: I mean it was a good idea to contact them anyway ;) 
[13:43] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, ;)
[13:43] <ttoine> if we want them to speak about us, we should send us one
[13:44] <ttoine> smartboyhw, you should ping libregraphicworld
[13:44] <smartboyhw> ttoine, maybe you can ping them?
[13:44] <ttoine> I will
[13:45] <ttoine> not today, however
[13:45] <madeinkobaia> Also I will make new models when I have the time. Maybe some stuffs more "funky" or...artistic :P
[13:51] <ttoine> madeinkobaia, could you create a sticker ?
[13:51] <ttoine> http://www.unixstickers.com/
[13:51] <ttoine> I would like us to be here
[13:51] <knome> basically they only need the ubuntu studio logo
[13:51] <knome> they'll turn that into a sticker, as they did with xubuntu
[13:52] <madeinkobaia> Yep, I used to plan that too :) Thanks for the link I didn't knew that site.
[13:58] <madeinkobaia> Their stickers are really basic indeed.
[14:00] <cub> I'd love some stickers.
[14:01] <smartboyhw> STICKERS!
[14:01] <cub> knome, have you ordered some xubuntu sticker? And did you get any hassle with customs since it's outside of the EU?
[14:01] <knome> didn't order any yet
[14:01] <madeinkobaia> For put it on a laptop could be great :)
[15:25] <smartboyhw> ttoine, the Xubuntu team are discussing of how to use their money, and they are talking about T-shirts. Why didn't we use the vendor providing the T-shirt service for Canonical? It seems like Xubuntu thinks it might be a good idea (over Spreadshirt)
[15:25] <smartboyhw> ttoine, you should join in in #xubuntu-devel to have a look
[15:29] <knome> we don't know if that's doable. it might be their vendor doesn't take individual orders.
[15:34] <ttoine> if xubuntu has money, i am happy for them
[15:34] <ttoine> we don't
[15:34] <ttoine> knome, for what I know, they buy bulk orders
[15:35] <knome> yep, that's what we thought
[15:35] <ttoine> that is why they have sales on odl stock
[15:35] <ttoine> and that's why I choosed spreadshirt
[15:35] <ttoine> smartboyhw, we don't have money
[15:36]  * smartboyhw seriously thinks if we can accept donations
[15:36] <ttoine> maybe we will have some sponsorhip in the future, but I don't have time for that
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu can, Ubuntu can
[15:36] <ttoine> smartboyhw, for that, we have to be a legal organisation
[15:36] <ttoine> we don't
[15:36] <smartboyhw> ttoine, garrumph
[15:36] <smartboyhw> knome, how did you get the money?
[15:37] <knome> smartboyhw, we wrote articles for a magazine, and they paid us per page.
[15:37] <smartboyhw> knome, I know about the magazine, I don't know about the paid-per-page part.
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[15:37] <knome> smartboyhw, so literally speaking it's not "project money", it's money that people got from writing, but since they didn't want it, i took it all and we consider it "project money"
[15:38] <knome> we didn't sell xubuntu, or xubuntu-related stuff, we sold our time and expertise (the articles)
[15:38] <knome> they just happened to cover xubuntu-related issues.
[15:38] <ttoine> knome, of course
[15:38] <ttoine> maybe we should try to do like crossover do for wine
[15:39] <ttoine> or rhe with centos/fedora
[15:39] <ttoine> keep Ubuntu Studio, and create a supported commercial version without Ubuntu in the name
[15:39] <ttoine> but that's a business
[15:39] <ttoine> and I don't know who could have time for that
[15:39] <knome> sounds like a lot of work, more than a legal organization
[15:39] <ttoine> and if there is enough business to pay someone
[15:40] <ttoine> knome, I was thinking about something like that in the past. One of my dream would be to run a multimedia open source lab
[15:40] <knome> :)
[15:40] <ttoine> who would sponsor projects like ubuntu studio
[15:41] <ttoine> but how this project earn money, that is the question without answer at the moment
[15:42] <ttoine> at least, we could try to make some partnership with Harrison Mixbus, Lightworks and LinuxDSP to sell pre-installed Ubuntu Studio with their software
[15:42] <ttoine> could be a possible start...
[15:43] <knome> got to go
[15:43] <knome> good luck with your ideas and dreams :)
[15:43] <knome> it's been done before, so why not...
[15:43] <knome> see you later!
[20:42] <OvenWerks> Noskcaj: We have a bug with our -settings package found while testing beta1. The bug is fixed and committed. What is my next step? The fix is only in the postinst script.
[20:42] <OvenWerks> Do I need to call it FFe?
[20:43] <Noskcaj> OvenWerks, Request a merge, then wait for the sponsorship team. FFe is for upstream changes mostly
[20:43] <OvenWerks> Merge? Even if it is already committed?
[20:44] <OvenWerks> Noskcaj: ^^
[20:44] <OvenWerks> We just need it uploaded.
[20:44] <Noskcaj> OvenWerks, Into the lp:ubuntu/PACKAGE branch (i.e. uploading it)
[20:49] <OvenWerks> Noskcaj: So on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/ubuntustudio-default-settings I select Propose for merging... then lp:ubuntu/ubuntustudio-default-settiings? I get no items matching.
[20:50] <Noskcaj> Then you need to release it as version 0.48, like xnox did last time
[20:51] <Noskcaj> then you can upload
[20:52] <OvenWerks> I don't have permition to do that
[20:52] <Noskcaj>  Then find xnox, because i have no power, anywhere
[20:52] <OvenWerks> OK
[20:54] <OvenWerks> Thank you
[20:57] <knome> re: FFe, you basically need to file one if it's anything apart an UI/Doc change or a bugfix.
[21:05] <OvenWerks> knome: This is just a straight bugfix. It only seems to affect a distro upgrade if the user doesn't choose the cleanup option to remove unneeded packages. Other wise it is hidden :)
[21:06] <knome> bugfixes are always fine without paperwork even after FF
[21:06] <knome> (until final freeze)
[21:07] <OvenWerks> ok, so just keep bugging in ubuntu-devel then