[00:17] <htmlgifted> Hello Looking for a Answer to A bluetooth problem with xubuntu 12.04.... SylvaniaBT device... connected and paired and can control Audicious ... For the next track and previous track fine but doesn't send audio to device.... ? Any ideas?
[00:18] <ElderDryas> Try #xubuntu - the support  channel for Xubuntu.
[00:19] <ElderDryas> You're bound to get an answer quicker there
[00:20] <htmlgifted> see i was told here would be good.
[00:22] <htmlgifted> will try ther and see thanks..
[03:14] <skellat> jjfrv8: Congratulations on becoming documentation lead, boss.
[14:59] <skellat> knome: I'm going to have to miss the meeting as I'm being called away to do tech support for family a village or two east from here
[14:59] <knome> skellat, no problem. have fun
[14:59] <lderan> safe journey skellat 
[15:02] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Sep 12 15:02:31 2013 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:03] <knome> so who's here for the meeting?
[15:03] <lderan> me
[15:03] <jjfrv8> o/
[15:03] <micahg-work> o/
[15:03] <knome> #topic Items carried on
[15:03] <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting
[15:03] <knome> #action     knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 
[15:03] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week
[15:03] <knome> #action     mr_pouit uploads the new artwork package later 
[15:03] <meetingology> ACTION: mr_pouit uploads the new artwork package later
[15:04] <knome> #nick mr_pouit 
[15:04] <knome> #action skellat to prepare blog article discussing updating & upgrading for users and why it is okay to do so 
[15:04] <meetingology> ACTION: skellat to prepare blog article discussing updating & upgrading for users and why it is okay to do so
[15:04] <knome> #nick skellat
[15:04] <knome> #subtopic Strategy Document reviewing 
[15:04] <pleia2> o/
[15:04] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-August/009312.html
[15:05] <knome> jack sent me some grammar and clarity fixes
[15:05] <micahg-work> hrm, sorry, I forgot to review that
[15:05] <knome> but the content itself hasn't changed since last meeting
[15:05] <pleia2> I still need to review as well
[15:05] <knome> okay, let's postpone until next meeting.
[15:05] <knome> #subtopic Ideas for using the project money 
[15:06] <micahg-work> more swag
[15:06] <ochosi> #idea live-usb sticks with xubuntu on it (either as a give-away, or even for some very cheap price that's about what the usb stick would cost)
[15:07] <knome> this is somewhat irrelevant, but there was an idea that unixstickers.com could "hold" our free material, and contributors who have talks in events could "order" those when needed with special code or sth
[15:07] <ochosi> also sounds nice
[15:07] <lderan> usb sticks would be cool
[15:07] <lderan> aye
[15:07] <micahg-work> ooh, ochosi's idea is good, no profit...
[15:07] <knome> what micahg-work and ochosi are proposing sound like new marketing projects we should undertake, not exactly "using the money"
[15:08] <micahg-work> well, the money is seed money for the marketing project :)
[15:08] <micahg-work> but it's self-renewing
[15:08] <knome> basically we would like to just set up the swag for our users to order them
[15:08] <ochosi> knome: well the money would be needed for starting it up
[15:08] <pleia2> #idea order some trial tshirts from international vendors
[15:08] <ochosi> micahg-work: +1
[15:08] <knome> not really, if vendors are doing that, like unixstickers.com
[15:08] <knome> pleia2, +1 for that
[15:08] <knome> the situation with t-shirts is that we still haven't found a good vendor
[15:09] <knome> ubuntu studio used spreadshirt.net
[15:09] <knome> or uses
[15:09] <micahg-work> can we use the one that Studio is using?
[15:09] <knome> pleia2, did you get to order something from them yet?
[15:09] <ochosi> who would the tshirts be for?
[15:09] <knome> micahg-work, practically we can use anything, we aren't just sure if price/quality is par with our expectations
[15:09] <knome> ochosi, contributors
[15:09] <knome> ochosi, but the main idea would be to check the quality
[15:09] <ochosi> as in: ourselves? :)
[15:10] <knome> pleia2 has been ordering shirts with her own money for now
[15:10] <knome> yep, us
[15:10] <knome> xubuntu-team
[15:10] <micahg-work> knome, we could do t-shirts for -team members at cost to again keep the money from depleting...
[15:10] <knome> another requirement in addition to quality is reasonable shipping prices
[15:11] <knome> micahg-work, not sure i follow.
[15:11] <micahg-work> or reuse it for multiple ventures
[15:11] <knome> i'm not saying we should just dump it all to something
[15:11] <micahg-work> AIUI, we're only prohibited from profiting, that doesn't mean that we can't use it as seed money over and over again
[15:11] <ochosi> knome: remind me, how much is it again?
[15:11] <knome> usb sticks are nice, and sure, we need to do a trial order even if we use a vendor
[15:12] <knome> we have about 250 euros
[15:12] <ochosi> hm, nice
[15:12] <pleia2> I've only used zazzle so far
[15:12] <pleia2> also, if we do find a marketing thing we like, there is still the flavors pool of money we can make requests against: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/20/ubuntu-donations-and-community-funding/
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Speaking of T-shirts: You can only purchase it from USA, Canada, Europe or Japan if you use Spreadshirt
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Which is why I have to via xequenc to get one
[15:13] <smartboyhw> So, not a good idea for you guys.
[15:13] <pleia2> smartboyhw: thanks, good to know
[15:13] <smartboyhw> (to use Spreadshirt)
[15:13] <knome> yes, that was one of the problems with spreadshirt
[15:14] <knome> micahg-work, sure, but "seed money" for me sounds like "new marketing projects"
[15:14] <micahg-work> and?
[15:14] <knome> because ultimately, we don't want to run the merch business ourself
[15:14] <knome> we just want to set up xubuntu-branded merch on other vendors
[15:14] <GridCube> \o
[15:15] <micahg-work> it becomes more of an endowment rather than a gift to spend
[15:15] <knome> micahg-work, i don't think we should user 250 euros to usb sticks to sell them away
[15:15] <knome> micahg-work, i think we should rather work with a vendor to get it right (tm) and allow people to order from the vendor directly
[15:16] <micahg-work> knome, sure, that works too
[15:16] <lderan> aye that makes sense to me
[15:16] <knome> so if we want usb sticks... sure, but we don't need to use a lot of money to create them
[15:16] <micahg-work> but doesn't that usually require some initial investment to "get it right"
[15:16] <pleia2> yeah
[15:16] <knome> unless the vendor is willing to work with us on it
[15:16] <knome> but sure
[15:16] <pleia2> order from a couple places to check on quality
[15:17] <knome> but there's no way getting the initial investment back
[15:17] <knome> if we spend it, we spend it
[15:17] <knome> if something is not right and even if we used 15 euros for it, i don't want to sell that to our users
[15:17] <knome> because it isn't right
[15:17] <pleia2> yeah, we'll just keep them ourselves
[15:17] <knome> that's why i'm +1'ing ordering t-shirts
[15:18] <knome> we've run that project already, and we need some more of that initial investment
[15:18] <ochosi> we can always give stuff that isn't right for free
[15:18]  * lderan will accept reject xubuntu usb sticks / t-shirts 
[15:18] <knome> ochosi, sure, but money-wise, that's the same as keeping it
[15:18] <pleia2> we have to start somewhere
[15:18] <ochosi> pleia2: +1
[15:18] <knome> i would be +1 for the t-shirts
[15:19] <knome> that's possible the best merch
[15:19] <pleia2> let's start there then
[15:19] <knome> people need clothes, they want to promote xubuntu
[15:19] <GridCube> i wonder if there would ever be a new USD thats not virtual, if thats the case i would vote to keep the money to help whoever goes to one of those
[15:19] <knome> -> they order a t-shirt
[15:19] <knome> GridCube, 250 euros isn't too much to spend on that
[15:19] <GridCube> no, sure, but it would help
[15:19] <knome> GridCube, say it's in the states, and i needed to travel there
[15:19] <ochosi> how much money would be needed for t-shirts that go from a vendor anyway?
[15:19] <knome> GridCube, the flights would be something multiple times that money already
[15:20] <pleia2> ochosi: custom shirt + shipping is around $30
[15:20] <GridCube> sure, but it will help
[15:20] <pleia2> (less once you get to bulk)
[15:20] <ochosi> right, but how much would it cost for us to set it up?
[15:20] <GridCube> in any case i dont think theres any usd thats in real person soon, or ever
[15:20] <knome> GridCube, i think it's more sensible to use that money to various different things, if that helps us getting the t-shirts to a shippable state etc.
[15:20] <GridCube> i understand
[15:20] <ochosi> how many t-shirts would we order in order to test that the merch is "good" ?
[15:21] <knome> ochosi, one, if the quality is good
[15:21] <knome> ochosi, so far, there have been clear defects 
[15:21] <knome> so we won't order again from the same vendor because there is a risk one of our users get a defect shirt as well
[15:22] <knome> so the answer is: we don't know
[15:22] <ochosi> sounds like an investment into t-shirt market-research
[15:22] <pleia2> so we should decide upon a style of shirt to order, then pick a few vendors to order some from
[15:22] <knome> until somebody does it right.
[15:22] <micahg-work> can we find the vendor Canonical uses for their shirts?
[15:22] <pleia2> logo on black is really hard to do right, so I'm inclined to go with a white or blue shirt as the base
[15:22] <knome> don't know how black/blue would be much different
[15:22] <pleia2> light blue ;)
[15:22] <knome> it's easy to get it right if you want to get it right
[15:23] <knome> the problem with online vendors is that they are doing it cheap
[15:23] <knome> that's why it can be wrong time to time
[15:23] <lderan> aye that they can be
[15:23] <ochosi> i agree with micahg-work, let's just use canonical's vendor
[15:23] <pleia2> yeah, not much color balancing for a dark background, so the logo ends up looking even darker
[15:24] <micahg-work> ochosi, Canonical probably orders several thousand, so it might not be possible, but at least worth looking into
[15:24] <pleia2> ochosi: afaik you need to have a bulk agreement with them
[15:25] <knome> this discussion leads me thinking we should just do a white t-shirt first
[15:25] <knome> most vendors are supposed to get that right
[15:25] <knome> so basically:
[15:25] <knome> find a vendor with reasonable (shipping) prices and good coverage on shipping destinations
[15:25] <knome> then order one t-shirt
[15:25] <knome> and if it's good, make it official
[15:25] <knome> then look into other colors.
[15:25] <knome> maybe.
[15:25] <pleia2> yep
[15:26] <knome> that way we'll use about $30
[15:26] <knome> investigting and googling is free of charge
[15:26] <knome> (for now)
[15:26] <GridCube> i've never bought any, but i've heard that topatoco products are rather nice
[15:27] <knome> #action knome to see designing a white-bg t-shirt
[15:27] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to see designing a white-bg t-shirt
[15:27] <ochosi> sorry folks, i gotta run
[15:27] <pleia2> and anyone with vendor ideas, please add to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects#T-shirts
[15:27] <GridCube> :) bye
[15:27] <lderan> by ochosi 
[15:27] <ochosi> i'll be back a bit after the meeting, i'll read the backlog and reply later
[15:28] <lderan> bye*
[15:28] <knome> anything else on the topic?
[15:28] <knome> i'd encourage people to discuss this on the mailing list
[15:28] <smartboyhw> You guys have a contract with canonical right?
[15:29] <knome> feels a waste of time to meet every 2 weeks on a meeting and babble 30 mins about merch ;)
[15:29] <knome> smartboyhw, what contract would you be referring to?
[15:29] <smartboyhw> knome, I remembered that ttoine (our person who made the shop happen) spent 2 months working out a deal between Canonical and Spreadsheet or something
[15:29] <smartboyhw> Best to ask him, but the legalese must be sorted out
[15:30] <knome> we've asked canonical if it's okay to do this on the legal sense.
[15:30] <pleia2> we're not making profit on this, it's all promotional material so within our trademark rights (we asked)
[15:31] <knome> anyway,
[15:31] <knome> #topic Team updates
[15:31] <knome> anything? (please #info and #action, and do it quickly :P)
[15:32] <micahg-work> #info Xubuntu restricted extras to not carry chromium codecs (Ubuntu just added it to theirs)
[15:32] <knome> cool
[15:32] <knome> (or that's how you perceive it, but i think it's cool)
[15:32] <jjfrv8> #info review of saucy docs is about 80% complete.
[15:32] <GridCube> #info the desktop of the week team has been in touch with some desktop screenshotters for the licenses that where missing, we are starting to get some responses but not so fast as we would wish
[15:32] <micahg-work> #action micahg to review ochosi's gmb patch
[15:32] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to review ochosi's gmb patch
[15:33] <knome> micahg-work, when's the last date you can upload new stuff before going away?
[15:33] <knome> we need an upload for the artwork package when the new wallpaper is ready
[15:34] <knome> (trivial, but needs to be done)
[15:34] <knome> would wednesday 18 work for you?
[15:34] <micahg-work> having it by this weekend would be nice, I think the beta freeze might be moving, so next weekend might be viable as well
[15:34] <micahg-work> no, if it's quick I can do it night of the 17th
[15:34] <knome> i'll see if i can get it done by weekend
[15:35] <knome> #topic Announcements
[15:35] <micahg-work> #info micahg unavailable Sep 19-21 and 26-28
[15:35] <knome> #info Jack Fromm (jjrfv8) is the new Xubuntu Documentation lead. Congratulations!
[15:35] <lderan> \o/
[15:35] <pleia2> \o/
[15:35] <micahg-work> congrats!
[15:36]  * jjfrv8 blushes
[15:36] <smartboyhw> \o/
[15:36] <GridCube> \o/
[15:36] <GridCube> :D 
[15:38] <knome> #topic New and emerging items
[15:39] <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
[15:39] <knome> do we want a meeting next week? (UIF, B2F, DocF)
[15:40] <jjfrv8> i might have a problem making next thursday
[15:40] <micahg-work> might be good to nail down issues that need to be fixed before beta 2
[15:40]  * micahg-work won't be around either though
[15:40] <knome> micahg-work, yeah, though that's the b2 freeze day.
[15:40]  * pleia2 out of town too
[15:40] <knome> would wednesday or tuesday be more suitable?
[15:41] <jjfrv8> either for me
[15:41] <knome> that'd leave us some actual time to fix the issues before the freeze
[15:41] <knome> and not a meeting with lots of "we're too late"
[15:41] <micahg-work> tuesday would be better as I won't be able to do much Wed
[15:42] <knome> everybody else fineish with tue?
[15:42] <pleia2> I'm gone all week, but you don't need me for b2 stuff :)
[15:42] <knome> nope, only the release announcement stuff you'll prepare this week
[15:42]  * knome hides
[15:42] <pleia2> lol
[15:42] <knome> no, we're fin
[15:42] <knome> e
[15:42] <lderan> i'll be able to do tuesday :P
[15:42] <knome> #info Next Xubuntu community meeting: Tuesday, September 17 at 15UTC
[15:43] <knome> #endmeeting
[15:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep 12 15:43:00 2013 UTC.  
[15:43] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-09-12-15.02.moin.txt
[15:43] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-09-12-15.02.html
[15:43] <knome> thanks!
[15:43] <knome> i'll put up the meeting minutes up later today
[15:43] <pleia2> thanks knome 
[15:43] <knome> np
[15:43] <knome> somebody else could chair the meeting next time ;)
[15:43] <knome> anyway, bbl
[15:44] <lderan> i would not do a good job, since im at work and dont have much to contribute
[16:50] <elfy> re meeting next week - I'll miss that again
[17:39] <knome> elfy, d'oh :)
[17:47] <elfy> I keep having to do stuff like work :(
[17:51] <knome> i know, that kind of stuff sucks
[17:51] <elfy> I'll try and get #info together for it 
[17:52] <knome> okay
[17:52] <knome> or just send to email list
[17:52] <knome> currently, we're not using the team reports the way we should, so it doesn't matter
[17:53] <knome> it's just for internal communication to know what's going on
[17:58] <elfy> yep
[17:58] <elfy> I'll do that probably 
[17:59] <elfy> generally it's all looking fairly good/same as - packages is good - iso's are the same as normal - get done if I call for testing 
[18:07] <knome> yep