| u-k-i-t | I apologise if I ask hard questions and seem a bit rough. I only want the best for ubuntu-gnome, but I will stick the boot in and ask when not sure. | 00:05 |
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| bjsnider | you sound sure | 00:06 |
| u-k-i-t | When it comes to xterm I am fairly sure. Should we ask of anyone who has ever needed or been dropped back too it? | 00:08 |
| jbicha | I wanted to not include evolution by default since that's at least 10MB I believe but I wasn't able to get enough people to support that bold of a move | 00:11 |
| u-k-i-t | If xterm was so important it would b a dep of X, which it isn't and easy to remove. Would it? | 00:12 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: Evolution is an basic app off a basic business system. Lets look at dropping more sh*t as in emapthy? | 00:13 |
| u-k-i-t | Many tyos, but you get it. | 00:14 |
| u-k-i-t | Need new fingers. ;-) | 00:14 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: Drop games and social not a basic email / pim app. | 00:15 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: Are you attempting to get down to CD size? If you are don't bother these days. These days it's always about correct default install choices; and they can be hard. :-D | 00:19 |
| jbicha | uh, you're the one complaining about 1 MB | 00:22 |
| bjsnider | xterm seems to be personally offensive to him | 00:23 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: That is a bad 1MB. Don't dop evolution as that kills a basic os install for business. Look at games and other things please. | 00:24 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu GNOME is a general purpose OS | 00:25 |
| jbicha | while it can be be used for business, I recommend serious businesses use a custom image | 00:26 |
| bjsnider | they should use centos i suppose | 00:26 |
| bjsnider | or rhel if they can afford it | 00:26 |
| u-k-i-t | bjsnider: I like apps I am looking at what is best os wide. Please don't make it personal as it is not. | 00:27 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: If general purpose. That's a wide scope. Is it to be stable or play OS. Does the group have a goal? | 00:29 |
| u-k-i-t | 13.10 is stable now. As that what I am chatting too you off. :-) | 00:30 |
| u-k-i-t | bjsnider: Should that be use centos id that cannot afford rhel.. Look I use and promote a deian base these days. I want a decent desktop to promote to customers, but the one is ubuntu gnome but the project will not LTS yet. | 00:44 |
| u-k-i-t | s/id/if | 00:45 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: Rather than dealing with evolution. How about this one bug 1218818 | 00:52 |
| ubot5 | bug 1218818 in cheese (Ubuntu) "ubuntu gnome - cheese-common - attempt to purge tries pulling out gnome-contacts etc." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218818 | 00:52 |
| u-k-i-t | :-) | 00:52 |
| jbicha | libcheese is a base GNOME library; you can't remove it without rebuilding several apps to not have webcam support | 00:54 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: Why though. It is rubbish that some crap webacam app that should that dep'ed up? | 00:59 |
| u-k-i-t | Under my thinking it should not be default installed. | 01:00 |
| u-k-i-t | We are not catering to geeks like me. ;-) This is business. To get a distro known give people the basic and let them add on. | 01:02 |
| jbicha | libcheese (or cheese-common) is not a webcam app; it's a library that webcam apps can use | 01:03 |
| jbicha | you can uninstall cheese | 01:03 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: You said about removing evolution. I would agree with that IF ther was a email app selection screen at install. | 01:04 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu GNOME is not a business - we have no income | 01:04 |
| jbicha | if you want to run a business based on Ubuntu GNOME, you're welcome to recompile apps for your own purposes | 01:05 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: Who actually heads ubuntu gnome? | 01:06 |
| jbicha | we're a community project | 01:07 |
| u-k-i-t | Mr Riddell heads Kubuntu. Who is the last stand for this one? | 01:08 |
| jbicha | darkxst is technical lead but there are other people with other responsibilities | 01:08 |
| u-k-i-t | Technical maybe. Who has lead of how the OS evolves and how it looks etc. ? | 01:11 |
| jbicha | that's what 'technical lead' means; there's a different guy that's artwork lead though | 01:12 |
| u-k-i-t | Do I have to really ask it -Who's the project boss? | 01:14 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: Don't ever invalidate a bug of mine again! | 01:15 |
| u-k-i-t | They are valid for a reason Ok. | 01:17 |
| jbicha | the bug is invalid, I just marked it as such | 01:18 |
| micahg | u-k-i-t: developers are allowed to invalidate bugs that are such, he did give the reason why it wasn't valid | 01:19 |
| u-k-i-t | micahg: I just un invalidated it. ;-) | 01:19 |
| * micahg knows what the next step for the bug is ;) | 01:20 | |
| bjsnider | micahg, how you doing? | 01:20 |
| micahg | bjsnider: fine, thanks, been a bit busy | 01:20 |
| bjsnider | coolio. how's firefox? | 01:20 |
| micahg | hrm, needs help | 01:21 |
| micahg | I wish I had more time | 01:21 |
| jbicha | u-k-i-t: would you prefer I mark the bug "Won't Fix" ? | 01:21 |
| bjsnider | everything seems to need more help | 01:21 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: I see I am being I am being ganged up on for a valid bug. Ubuntu does not allow a dev to report bugs I assume. | 01:23 |
| micahg | u-k-i-t: you should be able to purge the app "cheese", the library is another isue | 01:23 |
| u-k-i-t | micahg: Look at the bug report | 01:24 |
| micahg | what did you purge? it says cheese-common which is again, not cheese | 01:24 |
| u-k-i-t | micahg: By usage 'cheese-common' supplies function and api to 'cheese'. So why are other apps deps of it? | 01:25 |
| micahg | it's arch:all files for the cheese binary as well as the library | 01:26 |
| micahg | this is common in Debian packaging | 01:27 |
| bjsnider | thought it was -data that held arch-indep files? | 01:27 |
| micahg | depends on what's inside, both are common names | 01:27 |
| bjsnider | anything in /usr/share | 01:28 |
| u-k-i-t | micahg: Its an app that nobody wants, it;s crap. | 01:28 |
| micahg | the app is cheese, the library and other files provide webcam functionality to other apps | 01:28 |
| u-k-i-t | You assume people have or want webcam. Big F*ckup. | 01:30 |
| jbicha | u-k-i-t: please stop. Your language is getting very irritating and is not respectful | 01:30 |
| micahg | that's how upstream expects the app to be built, if they wanted it runtime detectable, they'd use dlopen | 01:30 |
| u-k-i-t | jbicha: I have not used bad language, but maybe asked hard questions ... Thats Ok isn't it? | 01:32 |
| jbicha | your previous two statements had extra commentary at the end that I found rude | 01:34 |
| u-k-i-t | I got multiple answers and a member threatening the next status on a bug report. How should I react? | 01:35 |
| micahg | I wasn't threatening, just informing | 01:35 |
| micahg | sorry if you felt threatened | 01:35 |
| u-k-i-t | micahg: it came across as "what you do next we revert". | 01:36 |
| jbicha | u-k-i-t: you have a right to file bugs and express opinions, but bugs that cannot be fixed have to be closed so that we can see which bugs are left that can be fixed | 01:37 |
| jbicha | anyway, I'm logging off | 01:38 |
| Zoiaguyver | take care jbicha | 01:39 |
| u-k-i-t | You have been a part of intimidated a user.; Actually a developer. Not nice! | 01:40 |
| u-k-i-t | Bye jbicha | 01:40 |
| u-k-i-t | You guys really need to learn how to deal with people. | 01:41 |
| Zoiaguyver | Well it depends on what it is in relation to I guess. | 01:44 |
| u-k-i-t | This project willnot suport 14.04 LTS. Let me know if you can help. | 01:44 |
| bjsnider | i don't know that i've seen a good cop/bad cop routine with one person playing both parts before | 01:44 |
| micahg | it's a trap! | 01:45 |
| Zoiaguyver | Ubuntu gnome doesn't have LTS releases at the moment, 13.10 is only the second official release, they have very few testers and even less maintainers | 01:45 |
| Zoiaguyver | or will be the second sorry.. | 01:45 |
| u-k-i-t | How do I reply now. People have a go about me as a person but not dealt with my question. | 01:51 |
| micahg | the bug is invalid, it cannot be fixed in Debian or Ubuntu, you could petition the GNOME project to dlopen libcheese | 01:52 |
| micahg | https://bugzilla.gnome.org you can file the issue against whichever product builds with webcam support | 01:53 |
| u-k-i-t | micahg: It can be fixed. Ok I will fixx it and allow it to not pull out the main apps. | 01:53 |
| micahg | u-k-i-t: I'm saying from an archive perspective it can't be unless it uses dlopen (then it can be moved to a recommends) | 01:54 |
| micahg | hrm, I should've checked first, looks like there is some dlopen support, I'm not sure for what | 01:55 |
| * micahg will leave someone more GNOMEish to answer now | 01:56 | |
| u-k-i-t | micahg: Don't worry about it. It's already dealt with in my respin. | 01:56 |
| u-k-i-t | Sorry all for using the 'f' word last night. I used it in context and it just flowed when I probably should have thought more before typing. Apologies. | 12:36 |
| docstr | hi | 13:11 |
| docstr | is there a lts version of ubuntu gnome? | 13:11 |
| davidbrooke | Ubuntu gnome started with release 13.04...so I don't think so | 14:27 |
| ricotz | darkxst, ping | 17:22 |
| ricotz | darkxst, the e-d-s package is pretty broken :\ | 17:24 |
| ricotz | there are several soname bumps not considered | 17:24 |
| ricotz | this a real problem, but i can't deal with it right now | 17:26 |
| bjsnider | look how many packages it builds. the control file must be 500 lines | 18:10 |
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