[01:18] <cyphermox> lool: we had a team dinner
[01:18] <cyphermox> lool: what's up?
[01:19] <cyphermox> ricmm: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-mir/0.1+13.10.20130913-0ubuntu1
[01:59] <ricmm> cyphermox: awesome
[01:59] <ricmm> ogra_: ping
[02:04] <cyphermox> ricmm: and now I have that damned song in my head. I blame you
[02:08] <ricmm> lol
[02:08] <ricmm> cyphermox: do you know when the daily image builds?
[02:08] <ricmm> not sure how to reach ogra/sergio for a spin
[02:08] <cyphermox> ricmm: no clue, I know nothing of the image
[02:08] <cyphermox> I guess it starts sometime via cron
[02:08] <ricmm> nvm rsalveti can
[02:08] <cyphermox> I expect that "sometime" to be relatively soon
[02:09] <rsalveti> yeah, I can start
[02:09] <rsalveti> just a sec
[02:10] <rsalveti> I think ogra_ started one a few minutes ago
[02:21] <OrokuSaki> finally.. this guy sounds like me .http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded.core/41975
[02:21] <OrokuSaki> I can play paplay just fine with wav
[02:25] <OrokuSaki> https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/meta-freescale/2013-August/004166.html
[02:25] <OrokuSaki> same guy.. still trying to fix it.. just like me
[02:25] <OrokuSaki> oddl enough, I could play mp3's without accept4 in my kernel, and a udev using up 99% cpu power.. then I could play  mp3 in the music app
[02:26] <OrokuSaki> all the way through
[02:26] <OrokuSaki> add accept4, udev is now happy.. but.. I can't play a mp3 with qt, and gstreamer and pulse
[02:26] <OrokuSaki> but I can with just pulse, and I cannot do a gstreamer tone test with pulse in terminal..
[05:46] <Arthurzb> Hello
[05:46] <Arthurzb> I have one question. If I have Samsung Table N-8000, can I install on it ubuntu touch OS?
[07:20] <mardy> zsombi: hi! I'm running the unit tests of ubuntu-ui-toolkit on my nexus 4, and one test fails:
[07:20] <mardy> FAIL!  : tst_UCUnits::defaultGridUnit() Compared floats are not the same (fuzzy compare) Actual   (units.gridUnit()): 18 Expected (8.0f): 8 Loc: [tst_units.cpp(36)]
[07:20] <mardy> zsombi: however, I don't think it's related to my patch
[07:21] <zsombi> mardy, which one does fail?
[07:21] <mardy> zsombi: see the line I pasted above: tst_UCUnits::defaultGridUnit
[07:22] <zsombi> mardy: yep, not yours
[07:23] <zsombi> mardy: just to make sure, could you run the same tests for the trunk?
[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[07:45] <mardy> zsombi: just tried on trunk, it fails there as well
[07:46] <zsombi> mardy: interesting... then why jenkins doesn't fail on that?!
[07:47] <mardy> zsombi: I wonder where that defaultGridUnit comes from... maybe it's device-specific?
[07:51] <zsombi> mardy: yes, it is, depending on what you have defined in  GRID_UNIT_PX env var
[07:53] <mardy> zsombi: oh, here it's GRID_UNIT_PX=18
[07:53] <mardy> zsombi: should I unset it, or set it to 8?
[07:53] <zsombi> mardy perhaps for the test we should set it for that value, but honestly the test should be fixed.
[07:54] <zsombi> mardy: so, I'll let your MR approved, however I'm wondering whether Jenkins works or still has problems...
[07:54] <zsombi> mardy: top approved
[07:55] <mardy> zsombi: thanks; in fact, running "GRID_UNIT_PX=8 make check" passes all the tests
[07:56] <zsombi> mardy: I know, it's just the test is not realistic then :)
[07:57] <zsombi> mardy now let's see what jenkins will do about
[08:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday the 13th and happy Programmers' Day! :-D
[08:20] <labsin> My app 'Solitaire Games' is released on the click store. But I have no phone that supports Ubuntu Touch. It would be really nice if there was someone that wants to test it and give feedback.
[08:25] <zsombi> mardy: uh, I need your branch landed!!! I started to get those segfaults in theme engine tests :D
[08:26] <mardy> zsombi: hehe :-)
[08:50] <lool> can't believe all apps have icons and I can add apps and launch all apps in v45!
[08:50] <lool> now testing mir
[08:52] <lool> greyback: hey
[08:52] <greyback> lool: hi there
[08:53] <lool> greyback: I'm getting less cases of double listing of apps
[08:54] <lool> greyback: did you find anything worth fixing yesterday?
[08:56] <dbarth> hi is there a phablet-flash flag to install the latest /untested/ images?
[08:56] <dbarth> i'd like to test the click fixes in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130913/
[08:57] <lool> dbarth: --channel daily-proposed
[08:57] <greyback> lool: not regarding the double-listing anyway. I know what is happening though, when qtubuntu launches the click app, it gets a PID. But that PID is of the aa_exec script. That script executes the actual application with the desktop_file_hint and a new PID. So shell things there's 2 instances of the app running
[08:57] <dbarth> nice, thanks lool
[08:57] <lool> dbarth: if you really want the cdimage images, use --pending
[08:57] <lool> dbarth: but we've mostly moved to system-images now
[08:57] <dbarth> greyback: oh so that's a false positive, there's just 1 instance running?
[08:57] <dbarth> cool, so one down as well
[08:58] <greyback> dbarth: correct
[08:58] <dbarth> greyback: i'll test your qtubuntu fixes now
[08:58] <dbarth> i think they went into the image
[08:58] <greyback> they did
[08:58] <dbarth> according to the manifest
[08:58] <dbarth> super
[08:58] <lool> greyback: hmm that's odd, I dont see aa processes here
[08:58] <lool> greyback: I have e.g. sudoku launched, and it shows up as enforce mode in aa-status, but I see no aa-* processes
[08:59] <greyback> lool: yep, it's gone. But qtubuntu launches what's in the desktop file (which is aa_exec), and gets a PID back. The PID of the app is always higher, aa_exec must spawn the app and then die
[09:01] <greyback> I'll try to get it fixed today anyway
[09:05] <xperia> hi all. i am trying to port ubuntu to my android device but i am stuck at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Enabling_a_new_device
[09:05] <xperia> I have all the source code for the Device as a zip Directory and my question is how can i merge the source code of the device with its driver together with the ubuntu touch source code. WOuld be great if somebody could help me so ubuntu touch works on one more device.
[09:48] <xnox> dbarth: o/
[10:49] <popey> cjwatson: do we have the ability to remove click packages (nicely) yet?
[10:50] <WebbyIT> because if I press on "Uninstall" the app is launched
[10:52] <cjwatson> popey: yes, as of click 0.4.4.  the UI may not be there yet
[10:52] <cjwatson> popey: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-appstore-developers/msg00553.html
[10:53] <cjwatson> popey: I didn't give the pkcon interface there but it's "pkcon remove <PackageKit ID>"
[10:53] <popey> thanks!
[10:53] <cjwatson> (you'll generally need to quote the ID)
[10:57] <zsombi> mardy: I'm afraid your MR won't land in trunk today
[11:00] <cjwatson> WebbyIT: I certainly wouldn't exclude bugs at the scope level, but it should be fine in the underlying tools
[11:00] <WebbyIT> cjohnston, ok, thanks :)
[11:01]  * cjwatson != cjohnston
[11:23] <freka> Hello
[11:24] <freka> trying to install touch-coreapps, but it deosnt work.
[11:25] <freka> getting The following packages have unmet dependencies:  touch-coreapps : Depends: ubuntu-docviewer-app but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems,
[11:45] <sil2100> gatox: hi!
[11:45] <gatox> sidnei, hi
[11:45] <gatox> sidnei, sorry
[11:45] <gatox> sil2100, hi
[11:46] <sil2100> gatox: could we change the driver and maintainer for clickmanager-plugin? So that it's more 'team based'
[11:46] <sil2100> Ah, wait
[11:46] <sil2100> I see it is now
[11:46] <sil2100> gatox: so, can we at least change the bzr branch as well?
[11:47] <gatox> sidnei, the answer is yes.... but i'm not really sure how to do that :P (i don't have much experience managing project in launchpad), can you tell me how to do it?
[11:47] <sidnei> gatox: you paniced me for a second there
[11:47] <sil2100> gatox: could you change the trunk lp:clickmanager-plugin to point to lp:~ubuntuone-hackers/clickmanager-plugin/trunk ?
[11:48] <sil2100> gatox: hm, I could do that for you but it seems I'm not part of ~ubuntuone-hackers ;) First of all just do a bzr branch lp:clickmanager-plugin; cd clickmanager-plugin; bzr push lp:~ubuntuone-hackers/clickmanager-plugin/trunk
[11:48] <gatox> sil2100, in configure code hosting?
[11:49] <sil2100> gatox: this way you'll have the branch ready in the ~ubuntuone-hackers team
[11:49] <gatox> sil2100, ack, doing that
[11:49] <sil2100> gatox: then go to the main LP page of the project, under Series and milestones click trunk
[11:50] <sil2100> gatox: there under 'Code for this series' change the branch to the newly pushed lp:~ubuntuone-hackers/clickmanager-plugin/trunk ;)
[11:50] <sil2100> gatox: I have packaging ready, I'll just change the links to the new branch
[11:50] <gatox> ack! :D
[11:51] <sil2100> gatox: I had to change the qmake file hierarchy a bit though! Hope you don't mind :)
[11:51] <gatox> sil2100, no, go ahead
[11:51] <sil2100> But at least now it builds and executes tests on build
[11:52] <gatox> sil2100, awesome
[11:52] <gatox> sil2100, is in any ppa or anything so i can test it from scratch in a new flashed tablet?
[11:53] <sil2100> gatox: I can push it somewhere when needed :)
[11:54] <gatox> sil2100, great, thanks..... i just updated clickmanager-plugin.... now i'll update updatemanager
[11:55] <timppa> Hi! I've just flashed todays build to my nexus 4. Should the Music scope play song that are on phone? Videos don't show up at all anymore
[11:57] <timppa> Also sounds don't work at all at the moment except from Music player.app
[11:58] <gatox> sil2100, if it's not much trouble... could you upload the packages somewhere..... so i can do a final test on the device and make sure that everything behaves as it should? (if it's not possible right now, don't worry.... i'll find another way to test it)
[11:59] <gatox> sil2100, also.... updatemanager has been updated too with the changes you just requested
[11:59] <gatox> sil2100, thanks for the heads up
[12:00] <sil2100> \o/
[12:00] <sil2100> Thanks!
[12:02] <gatox> sil2100, also.... last question :P are you creating the bot to land the branches automatically? (i'm kind of confuse with that part)
[12:02] <gatox> in jenkins
[12:02] <gatox> for the MPs
[12:02] <sil2100> gatox: we'll take care of that as well - we need to add it to our config and then have fginther do all the magic
[12:02] <sil2100> But I'll take care of that after lunch :)
[12:02] <cwayne> hey look, click package icons are working!
[12:03] <gatox> sil2100, awesome, thanks!! i really appreciate it
[12:03] <sil2100> gatox: np. ;)
[12:16] <rickspencer3> anyone know why last night's image was not promoted?
[12:19] <lool> beuno: I think we should eventually reject apps without an Icon=qmlscene or no Icon in the .desktop (IOW I dont think this type of bugs falls into the "users will give bad ratings" category)
[12:21] <beuno> lool, yeah, I think it our system can deal with no icon, we should let them (and let people decide they suck :))
[12:21] <rickspencer3> maybe QtCreator could warn the user when they are building a package
[12:21] <lool> that too
[12:21] <lool> beuno: it can deal with it, but it's super ugly
[12:21] <lool> beuno: Not sure we'd want to allow that through
[12:21] <rickspencer3> the QtCreator experience needs to be full linked up to the Touch experience
[12:21] <beuno> lool, or we could make it less ugly maybe?
[12:22] <lool> beuno: it's going to be ugly if multiple apps use the same display
[12:22] <beuno> rickspencer3, right, that could be a better time to tell people to improve it
[12:22] <lool> people lookup apps by their icon before reading the fine print
[12:22] <lool> if you have 3 Ubuntu default icons, it's painful
[12:22] <lool> so I think we shouldn't let it happen
[12:24] <lool> sergiusens: hey!
[12:24] <rickspencer3> maybe on the server, if there is no icon, we can swap in the icon that the developer provides to the web page
[12:24] <rickspencer3> ?
[12:24] <sergiusens> lool, hey
[12:24] <cjwatson> dpm: bug 1223891 - click is probably the wrong place for this.  Do you have (or does anyone else have) an idea for a package which would be in a position of consuming MIME types that could install such a system hook?
[12:25] <lool> sergiusens: do you know what held the image from promotion yesterday?
[12:25] <lool> sergiusens: Mir and Click stuff passed for me!  (lots of tearing when I enable Mir though)
[12:25] <ubot5`> bug 1223891 in click (Ubuntu) "Allow click packages to register as mimetype handlers" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1223891
[12:26] <lool> cjwatson: hmm was it shared-mime-info on the desktop?
[12:26] <sergiusens> lool, well unity-mir was published 2 - 3 hours after our conversation, then we kicked of a cdimage build and after that there were some issues with utah (from what I read in the channel)
[12:26] <sergiusens> lool, but the results look good, just don't think anyone was awake by then to promote it
[12:26] <cjwatson> lool: Possibly.  shared-mime-info is mostly delivering a bulk set of standard MIME types, though, rather than being the thing that consumes them, if you see what I mean
[12:26] <dpm> cjwatson, I don't know, I generally defer to the desktop guys when it comes to mime types. Perhaps Laney knows the best place to file that bug? ^
[12:26] <cjwatson> Mind you, shared-mime-info also ships update-mime-database etc.
[12:27] <sergiusens> dpm, what is this for?
[12:28] <sergiusens> cjwatson, dpm if it's handler it should go in ted's uri-handler code
[12:28] <dpm> sergiusens, not sure, I can't recall if the reporter gave some more context on IRC, sorry
[12:28] <cjwatson> I basically don't want to be involved in this unless it actually requires extensions to click :)
[12:28] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, so you can promote the image this morning? \o/
[12:28] <cjwatson> My job here is to provide enough rope for other packages to hang themselves with in the appropriate way
[12:28] <sergiusens> cjwatson, you shouldn't
[12:29] <lool> cjwatson: ah right
[12:29] <sergiusens> lool, tearing on mir on maguro is known, that's one of the reasons it's not the default
[12:30] <lool> sergiusens: it's on mako though
[12:31] <cwayne> btw messaging indicator is still missing on today's daily-proposed
[12:34] <lool> -rw-r----- 1 phablet whoopsie 15904143 Sep 13 12:21 _usr_bin_unity8.32011.crash
[12:34]  * lool whistles
[12:34] <ev> :D
[12:34] <lool> cwayne: which is normal until we promote it I guess
[12:35] <cwayne> lool, ah, thanks :)
[12:35] <lool> ev: how can I track submission by whoopsie or force it?
[12:35] <lool> cwayne: basically all landings are on manual
[12:36] <lool> I guess things will move when asac comes up and acks promotion of current image so that we can move on to the next landing (indicators)
[12:36] <cwayne> wait so we're going to promote an image with missing indicators?
[12:36] <lool> cwayne: oh you mean it got inadvertedly removed?
[12:37] <cwayne> lool, i mean i've got todays daily-proposed image, and i dont have a messaging indicator
[12:37] <lool> cwayne: that seems anormal then; is this a regression over the current stable/daily image?
[12:37] <ev> lool: take the sha512 hash of your system uuid and put it on the end of https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/
[12:37] <cwayne> lool, the latest stable daily i tried yesterday has it
[12:37] <ev> I'll come up with a command. Bear with me
[12:37] <cwayne> but the daily-proposed from yesterday was missing it as well
[12:37] <lool> The indicator package is in the image, not sure why it doesn't display: ii  indicator-messages                                    13.10.1+13.10.20130903-0ubuntu1             armhf        indicator that collects messages that need a response
[12:37] <cwayne> lool, yeah, i have it as well, just not shown :/
[12:38] <ev> lool: https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/`printf $(sudo cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid) | sha512sum`
[12:38] <ev> oh actually
[12:38] <ev> as I imagine this is a phone
[12:39] <lool> indeed
[12:39] <lool> no DMI
[12:39] <ev> sudo gdbus call -y -d com.ubuntu.WhoopsiePreferences -o /com/ubuntu/WhoopsiePreferences -m com.ubuntu.WhoopsiePreferences.GetIdentifier
[12:39] <lool> nothing uploaded it seems
[12:40] <ev> is there a .uploaded file?
[12:40] <ev> in /var/crash
[12:40] <lool> https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/cf83e1357eefb8bdf1542850d66d8007d620e4050b5715dc83f4a921d36ce9ce47d0d13c5d85f2b0ff8318d2877eec2f63b931bd47417a81a538327af927da3e
[12:40] <lool> no
[12:40] <lool> let me put the phone closer to the AP
[12:40] <lool> I suspet network isn't reliable enough
[12:41] <popey> ev: i had two which didn't upload recently
[12:41] <ev> yeah, whoopsie will drop a .uploaded file when it's done
[12:42] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1224710
[12:42] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1224710 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport eating cpu" [Undecided,New]
[12:42] <ev> popey: oh? I vaguely recall you twiterring me and it getting lost in the noise of everyday life
[12:42] <popey> np
[12:42] <ev> I'll try to have a look in a minute - sprinting, so I can't promise my full attention this week
[12:42] <cjohnston> ev: answer my question too :-)
[12:42] <ev> cjohnston: jerk
[12:57] <lool> cjwatson: I think we would want a new app for what is described in the bug
[12:57] <lool> cjwatson: I've commented there, but I was thinking something like gdebi
[12:57] <lool> cjwatson: but you can declare the MIME type rules already, like apport does
[12:57] <cjwatson> lool: I honestly don't see how that's related to this bug
[12:58] <lool> this is just to explain that .click is a click package, and/or that files which start with this byte sequence are click packages
[12:58] <cjwatson> lool: Er, we already have a MIME type declaration for click itself
[12:58] <cjwatson> lool: The bug reporter is asking for a way to ship additional handlers for other types in click packages
[12:59] <lool> cjwatson: oh gosh, I read this wrong, I thought this was about installing clicks
[12:59] <cjwatson> Not AFAICS
[12:59] <lool> cjwatson: you're totally right
[12:59] <lool> I'm a bit ashamed with the mess I am these days
[13:00] <plars> balloons: calculator got the new package, but still fails :(
[13:01] <lool> cjwatson: at the moment we don't have MIME handling defined, it's something we could discuss at next click weekly for instance; the current ways we thought of are the url handlers and the content hub / content providers stories
[13:01] <lool> but MIME is a valid one
[13:03] <MacSlow> loicm, ping
[13:03] <balloons> plars, lolololol
[13:04] <balloons> plars, I was trying to ping you the new design for calculator landed so you can <3 it now
[13:06] <davmor2> morning all
[13:09] <loicm> MacSlow: pong
[13:09] <MacSlow> loicm, see priv. message
[13:12] <cjohnston> cwayne: what device do you not have indicators?
[13:12] <lool> greyback: did we add some unit tests to prevent the qtubuntu stuff from happening again (at build time)?
[13:13] <cwayne> cjohnston, mako
[13:13] <greyback> lool: qtubuntu is missing tests entirely unfortunately. It has to be done, but other things have always been higher priority
[13:13] <cjohnston> cwayne: plars and I both tried with mako
[13:13] <cjohnston> no issues
[13:14] <cwayne> cjohnston, i havent had it in a couple days..
[13:14] <cwayne> does it maybe not show up unless there is a message or something?
[13:14] <cjohnston> cwayne: all indicators?
[13:14] <cwayne> i mean i did a fresh flash with --no-backup
[13:14] <cwayne> cjohnston, other ones are fine
[13:14] <cwayne> just messaging
[13:16] <lool> greyback: that's quite unfortunate
[13:17] <cwayne> cjohnston, you tried with mako on today's daily-proposed?
[13:18] <plars> cwayne: yes, that's what we were running, and confirm the messaging one seems to  be gone
[13:18] <cwayne> plars, ah, ok good
[13:18] <cwayne> i thought i was taking crazy pills for a second
[13:18] <davmor2> cwayne: txt yourself you'll soon find out
[13:19] <cwayne> davmor2, this is my only phone
[13:19] <cwayne> lol
[13:19] <davmor2> cwayne: yes text yourself, you send a text to your own number
[13:19] <cwayne> oh right
[13:19] <davmor2> cwayne: it's not like a phone call where it would be engaged :D
[13:20] <plars> cwayne, davmor2: cjohnston is trying that now
[13:20] <plars> he just had to step outside so he could get a signal :)
[13:20] <cwayne> davmor2, still no indicator
[13:20] <greyback> lool: 100% agreed. It needs to be done.
[13:21] <cwayne> plars, cjohnston ^
[13:21] <cwayne> theres also a spot missing on the indicators panel
[13:21] <cjohnston> I've confirmed it as well
[13:21] <davmor2> cwayne: I think it is the space between wifi and bluetooth
[13:21] <cwayne> yeah
[13:26] <davmor2> tedg: is this a known bug about the messaging indicator vanishing?
[13:27] <davmor2> tedg: Also ogra_ said to ask you about the big gap between wifi and bluetooth (that I am assuming is the space where the messaging indicator was)
[13:27] <tedg> davmor2, Not sure, larsu? ^
[13:28] <larsu> davmor2, tedg: no known bug, but there are a lot of changes waiting to land (in both indicator-messages and unity8's indicator code).
[13:28] <larsu> so please wait with filing bugs until that landed
[13:28] <davmor2> larsu: no worries, cwayne, cjohnston  ^
[13:29] <cwayne> davmor2, ack, thanks
[13:29] <cjohnston> larsu: we are trying to decide about releasing
[13:29] <cwayne> mterry, pingaling
[13:29] <ogra_> stgraber, if i want to make a file removable on the ro image, what would be the runes for the config, does that work by just making it writable ?
[13:30] <davmor2> mterry: cwayne is trying to be cute there so don't respond!  Run, run for your life, be afraid, it won't be pleasant :D
[13:30] <cwayne> davmor2, :P
[13:31] <cwayne> davmor2, i think most people run when i ping at this point
[13:32] <mterry> cwayne, hi
[13:32] <mterry> :)
[13:32] <cwayne> mterry, hey, i was just wondering if you had any insight on when accountsservice is actually started
[13:32] <mterry> cwayne, it's started by dbus activation
[13:32] <cwayne> mterry, we're trying to run that command you sent to change the welcome screen in an upstart job, but 'start on started dbus' is too early apparently
[13:33] <GuidoPallemans> can anyone here test my click package?
[13:33] <cwayne> mterry, start on started dbus gives us this Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface 'org.freedesktop.Accounts.User' on object at path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011
[13:33] <tedg> larsu, Yeah, I'm kinda curious if some landed and some didn't.  The state of things is so confusing right now.
[13:33] <mterry> cwayne, oh!  You know, sometimes when it is dbus-activated, it doesn't process the command that activated it (seem to be some bug with AS itself).  What happens if you run the same command twice?
[13:34] <cwayne> mterry, let me edit the job and see.. if you run it manually after upstart it works, but it always worked manually
[13:34] <tedg> mterry, One of the joys of dbus activation actually :-/
[13:34] <cwayne> let me see what happens if you run twice in upstart
[13:34] <mterry> tedg, is that common?
[13:35] <GuidoPallemans> can anyone here test my reversi app on a touch device? I don't have any and I don't know if the package will work on one: http://www.mediafire.com/download/rg7zeadj0vqungu/be.geelen.bram.reversi_1.0_all.click
[13:35] <tedg> mterry, If you start up infinitely fast there are no issues :-)
[13:35] <tedg> mterry, Depends on the service it seems, I haven't experienced it a lot, but most of the service I use are just doing activate at session start.  The Novacut guys report a lot of issues with it.
[13:36] <tedg> mterry, Also most of ours are C based, I imagine Python is more an issue as well.
[13:38] <cwayne> mterry, didn't seem to work
[13:40] <mterry> cwayne, :(
[13:40] <davmor2> ogra_: so the 13 image does that have mir on it by default?
[13:41] <cwayne> mterry, weird, it only shows the error in the log once, but it doesnt seem to work, as its supposed to touch a file in $HOME thats not there
[13:41] <mterry> ogra_, heyo, do you figure we can land the lightdm bits now?
[13:41] <mterry> cwayne, the upstart job touches the file?
[13:41] <gatox> sil2100, do we need someone else to review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/clickmanager-plugin/first_packaging/+merge/185476
[13:42] <cwayne> mterry, yeah
[13:42] <mterry> cwayne, this is a system upstart job, right?  Not a session upstart one?  Can you pastebin me, just in case you forgot to plug the machine in or something
[13:43] <cwayne> mterry, it's a session one, let me try it as a system one
[13:45] <mterry> cwayne, well, if in session, you might have policykit issues because my branch fixing logind hasn't landed yet
[13:46] <cwayne> mterry, but would a polkit issue cause that dbus error?
[13:46] <cwayne> maybe since it shouldnt be allowed to see it..
[13:46] <sergiusens> stgraber, you around?
[13:47] <lool> asac: Did you get my updates on testing?  click status is quite good in latest pending image; I filed a bunch of bugs which were longstanding but were lesser priority than the critical issues we were seeing
[13:47] <lool> asac: also the Mir touch thing worked
[13:47] <cjwatson> GuidoPallemans: (a) It's built with a very old version of click - you should use at least 0.4.3; (b) it doesn't have any hooks, so no desktop file gets installed, so your app can't be launched
[13:47] <sergiusens> davmor2, touch /home/phablet/.display-mir and reboot to get it. Delete the file and reboot to switch back
[13:48] <mterry> cwayne, I forget what you see with the policykit error
[13:48] <davmor2> sergiusens: oh nice thanks
[13:48] <cjwatson> GuidoPallemans: Upgrading to a newer version of the SDK should hopefully help
[13:48] <mterry> cwayne, but it's odd that you only saw one error
[13:48] <cwayne> mterry, making it a system one doesn't work either
[13:48] <mterry> sergiusens, do I need to update via an image or is apt-get upgrade good enough?
[13:48] <mterry> cwayne, can I see the job?
[13:49] <cwayne> mterry, yeah let me pastebinit
[13:49] <ogra_> mterry, ask asac and jdstrand, it isnt in my hands
[13:50] <mterry> ogra_, ok
[13:50] <sergiusens> mterry, for mir? You can apt-get upgrade I think and remove the QPA_PLATFORM line from /etc/environment
[13:50] <cwayne> mterry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101719/
[13:50] <jdstrand> mterry (and ogra): I was only asked to review the security impact. I don't really have anything to add beyond the email to ubuntu-devel@
[13:50] <mterry> asac, I believe you requested not to land the lightdm/logind change yet, until you had a new good image?  Can we land it soon?
[13:51] <mterry> jdstrand, that email seemed like it supposed we would never land my branch that fixes the policykit stuff...
[13:52] <jdstrand> mterry: I tried very hard to only discuss the current situation and not tie in lightdm landing. lightdm is not my call. sorry if I was unclear
[13:52] <mterry> jdstrand, sure
[13:53] <sergiusens> lool, maybe you can answer. Is it ok to extend ubuntu_commands to have a toggle to enable adb?
[13:54] <mterry> cwayne, oh I see, you want access to $HOME, so session upstart makes some sense
[13:54] <cwayne> mterry, wait, i'm an idiot, h/o
[13:55] <cwayne> mterry, plus it's really only setting this per user
[13:55] <mterry> cwayne, but since this is a lightdm greeter session, a session job will be too late for this
[13:55] <cwayne> mterry, ah, crap
[13:55] <mterry> cwayne, you also only have the dbus-send line once (I thought we were testing with it twice)
[13:55] <cyphermox> didrocks: there's some delay, I got Launchpad timeouts...
[13:55] <cwayne> mterry, oh yeah, i modified it on the device to do it twice but pasted from my branch
[13:56] <mterry> k
[13:56] <didrocks> cyphermox: argh, all good now?
[13:56] <mterry> cwayne, I guess for now, while we still have a fake greeter, putting this in a user session job would be quick enough.
[13:56] <didrocks> like, everything cleaned-swapped?
[13:56] <mterry> cwayne, but you'd currently hit the policykit bug
[13:57] <mterry> cwayne, you also try to make this code generic, but hardcode User32011
[13:57] <mterry> cwayne, by any chance, I don't suppose the user you care about isn't 32011?
[13:57] <cwayne> mterry, no, it is
[13:57] <cwayne> phablet user is 32011
[13:57] <mterry> OK
[13:58] <cwayne> we'd make it more generic, but unsure if we can yet.. we'd have to know any user's uid i think
[13:58] <mhall119> xnox: hey, can you help daker setup cross-compiling for is Ubuntu SDK app?
[13:58] <mterry> cwayne, yeah, you can get that info if you have $USER
[13:58] <mterry> cwayne, which you would if you were in a session job.  But we long-term don't want to be in a session job
[13:58] <cwayne> mterry, ah, ok, but that'd need to be in a session one anyway then
[13:58] <cyphermox> didrocks: slowly, but surely
[13:58] <lool> sergiusens: hmm sure, that seems ok
[13:58] <cyphermox> didrocks: I hacked the remove_package script to go through packages.
[13:59] <lool> sergiusens: why does it need ubuntu_command actually?
[13:59] <cwayne> mterry, hm, so what's the real solution here?  we really just want to change the default
[13:59] <mhall119> or dholbach, can you help daker?
[14:00] <dholbach> mhhum, daker is not around?
[14:00] <dholbach> ah, nevermind, my IRC client tricked me
[14:00] <dholbach> daker, can you try http://pad.ubuntu.com/kYCIZSvOpF?
[14:00] <daker> dholbach: o/
[14:00] <didrocks> asac: https://plus.google.com/110419250019099644591/posts/TUXwKU7FkRn
[14:00] <didrocks> cyphermox: sweet!
[14:00] <sergiusens> lool, because once ubuntu_commands takes over it reboots when it's done and allows for no further interaction
[14:01] <pmcgowan> ogra_, how does one enable ssh to start by default n the latest images?
[14:01] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, just delete the override file in /etc/init/
[14:01] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, whats it called
[14:01] <mterry> cwayne, do you guys have the same greeter wallpaper default as you do for the shell?
[14:01] <mterry> cwayne, or do you want to default those two wallpapers to different values?
[14:02] <mterry> cwayne, do you guys have the same greeter wallpaper default as you do for the shell?  or do you want to default those two wallpapers to different values?
[14:02] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, /etc/init/ssh.override
[14:02] <daker> dholbach: do i need an arm device to do that ?
[14:02] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, just delete that
[14:02] <dholbach> daker, no
[14:03] <asac> mterry: certainly not today
[14:03] <asac> mterry: are you in the office?>
[14:03] <daker> dholbach: do i need saucy to do that ?
[14:03] <mterry> asac, what's the blocker here?  What sort of good image are you looking for?
[14:03] <mterry> asac, no
[14:03] <asac> mterry: its not your turn
[14:03] <xnox> mhall119: there is a branch from dholback that does a native compilation under qemu. maybe use that?
[14:03] <asac> mterry: and i have noone who can ensure your stuff lands regression free atm
[14:03] <dholbach> daker, no, I don't think
[14:03] <asac> regression free == dashboard and dogfooding
[14:03] <mterry> asac, turn?
[14:04] <cyphermox> didrocks: so as soon as that's done getting the list of packages to remove, it will remove them, and I'll be able to start indicators and webapps
[14:04] <asac> mterry: we have other landings to do
[14:04] <asac> mterry: is it just uploading lightdm?
[14:04] <mterry> asac, btw, once https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-launch-apps/+merge/185333 we can write that unlock script you wanted
[14:04] <asac> or do you want to add it to the image?
[14:04] <asac> nice
[14:04] <didrocks> cyphermox: thanks man
[14:04] <mhall119> xnox: dholbach is helping him now, thanks
[14:04] <daker> dholbach: i'll try that tonight
[14:05] <mterry> asac, no lightdm has already been uploaded.  I need to land a ubuntu-touch-session change from upstart to lightdm-autologin (which will add lightdm to image, yes)
[14:05] <daker> thanks xnox mhall119
[14:05] <dholbach> daker, great, setup takes a bit to run, but afterwards you should be all set
[14:05] <asac> mterry: that has to wait
[14:05] <mterry> asac, are all landings done one by one now or are you just in a particularly sensitive time for QA?
[14:05] <asac> have noone to ensure that it doesnt regress because we are doing that for others
[14:06] <cwayne> mterry, right now they're the same, but i'm not sure they'll stay that way
[14:06] <mterry> cwayne, well if they are the same...  I could add some code so that the greeter could look at the gsettings key for its default, rather than hardcoding its default...
[14:06] <cwayne> mterry, the dconf key to keep them the same is already set as true
[14:07] <asac> mterry: there was a mail supposed to go out
[14:07] <asac> will ensure it happens now
[14:08] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, are you going to answer gerry's question on ssh? seems no one knows its in the image
[14:08] <asac> ogra_: go
[14:08] <asac> push
[14:09] <asac> ogra_: unless you say your phone is frozen all the time
[14:09] <asac> let me come around
[14:09] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, where is that question? I'm not using ssh, just found about that change yesterday
[14:10] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, on phone list, I can reply if the answer is delete the override
[14:10] <pmcgowan> he noticed the behavior changed and he was reinstalling and some other stuff
[14:10] <cwayne> mterry, well that should be the default based on what's selected in system settings
[14:10] <cwayne> mterry, theres a dconf key background-duplicate and its set to true by default
[14:10] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, let me get that
[14:11] <rickspencer3> hi cjwatson
[14:11] <rickspencer3> so, here's my saga
[14:11] <cjwatson> hi
[14:11] <sil2100> gatox: if you approve the changes to the code, I'll have someone from my team to review the packaging ;)
[14:11] <rickspencer3> last night I rebooted my phone by holding down the power button
[14:11] <gatox> sil2100, i already did
[14:11] <gatox> approve them
[14:11] <rickspencer3> when it came back up, my click apps were not running
[14:11] <rickspencer3> they were not in the installed scope
[14:12] <rickspencer3> they were in the more suggestions scope, but they would not install
[14:12] <rickspencer3> so, talking to ralsina I went through and deleted all the click apps from /opt/click. whatever
[14:12] <cjwatson> *blink* surprising thing for him to suggest
[14:13] <rickspencer3> then all the desktop files from /home/phablet/.local/share/click/hooks and /home/phablet/.local/share/applications
[14:13] <ralsina> cjwatson: well, I used to do that to clean up before there was uninstall. I guess I am outdated :-(
[14:13] <rickspencer3> oops, missed a step
[14:13] <cjwatson> ralsina: well, even then, why would uninstalling be necessary
[14:13] <rickspencer3> click list --manifest did not show all my apps
[14:13] <ralsina> cjwatson: I was trying to just clear things for resinstalling
[14:13] <cjwatson> there've been no recent format changes or anything
[14:13] <cjwatson> ralsina: you can just reinstall over the top without that, normally
[14:14] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: hm, I thought you said earlier that click list did show them
[14:14] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, when I tried to reinstall, I the apps seemed to install, but thye don't run
[14:14] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, click list showed them earlier this morning
[14:14] <asac> stgraber: can you fix the RO cronjob to run every minute instead once an hour?
[14:14] <rickspencer3> but not when I checked again for ralsina
[14:14] <cjwatson> before you went through and removed them?
[14:15] <cjwatson> also, which user were you running click list as/
[14:15] <cjwatson> ?
[14:15] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, yeah
[14:15] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, I ran it as the phablet user on my phone earlier
[14:15] <rickspencer3> but I suppose as root if I did it from adb
[14:15] <cjwatson> right, you need to switch to the phablet user first
[14:15] <cjwatson> click list is user-sensitive
[14:15] <rickspencer3> oops
[14:15]  * ralsina forgot to check that
[14:15] <mterry> cwayne, right...  it's probably best just to have it look at gsettings as a backup for now... that will cover the both-backgrounds-are-the-same case cleanly for you
[14:16] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, anyway, I could install a click app, but when I run it I get an error:
[14:16] <rickspencer3> No manifest found for app_id: com.ubuntu.developer.rick-rickspencer3.franglish
[14:16] <cjwatson> (that's mentioned in the man page now, though click having a man page is a recent thing)
[14:16] <rickspencer3> so, that's where I am at now
[14:16] <asac> cjwatson: hey. can you run an RO run? (hoping that this will pick up our /current promition)
[14:16] <asac> cjwatson: nevermind
[14:16] <cjwatson> seems to be running at the moment
[14:17] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, so my goal now is to get back to a sane state and then try to reproduce the issue
[14:17] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: ok, can you pastebin "click list --manifest" as the phablet user?
[14:17] <rickspencer3> ok
[14:17] <cjwatson> "su - phablet" or whatever is fine, from adb
[14:17] <ogra_> stgraber, i'm running the system-image bits from crontab manually atm ...
[14:18] <asac> rickspencer3: sergiusens will send a mail how to flash latest to test mir
[14:18] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: last time I saw that error it was because the file name of the click package was out of sync with the package name inside it
[14:18] <sergiusens> asac, rickspencer3 already out
[14:18] <cjwatson> but perhaps there are other causes
[14:18] <asac> sergiusens: rock!
[14:18] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101810/
[14:19] <rickspencer3> I guess I did something very wrong :)
[14:19] <cjwatson> wow
[14:19] <cjwatson> uh, one moment :)
[14:19] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: I think that you perhaps did "rm -rf /opt/click.ubuntu.com/*" earlier - would that be correct?
[14:20] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, maybe this is what you wanted
[14:20] <rickspencer3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101813/
[14:20] <rickspencer3> ?
[14:20] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, correct, I did that bad thing :)
[14:20] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: There's also a /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click directory, and * doesn't expand to include .click
[14:20] <cwayne> mterry, i think we will eventually need to clean up the different-backgrounds case as well, but that will certainly be a good start i think
[14:20] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: So you now have that in a strange inconsistent state
[14:20] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, ok
[14:20] <cjwatson> ralsina: Don't recommend this again :)
[14:20] <rickspencer3> lol
[14:20] <ralsina> cjwatson: oh yeah
[14:21] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, can I just go on an rm fest to get back to a non-inconsistent state?
[14:21] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: Now that you're at this point, probably best to rm -rf /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click, and then reinstall any apps you reinstalled since
[14:21] <cjwatson> No need to remove other things in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/ again - reinstalling will be enough
[14:21] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, do I need to delete desktop files and stuff too?
[14:21] <cwayne> mterry, so just to summarize: the reason the session job isn't working now is because of polkit issues, and the job *should* be a system job anyway?
[14:21] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: no
[14:21]  * rickspencer3 tries
[14:21] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: and "sudo click list --manifest" just lists the preinstalled apps, so not relevant here
[14:21] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, acl
[14:22] <rickspencer3> ack, even :)
[14:22] <cjwatson> (which are installed for all users, so you get a response when trying to list for any user)
[14:22] <rickspencer3> ralsina, is there a way for me to force More Suggestion to reload?
[14:23] <rickspencer3> hmmm, I wonder if I deleted all the pre-installed apps too :o
[14:23] <mterry> cwayne, short term, session job is fine (if it weren't for policykit bug); long term, it needs to be a system job (because greeter will be separate then, and user sees greeter before the user logs in)
[14:24] <cyphermox> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/mtp/relicense/+merge/185508
[14:24] <cwayne> mterry, ack thanks.  so next steps are having the background use a sane default to gsettings key?
[14:25] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: You will have deleted the .desktop files for the preinstalled apps, but restarting your session will be enough to restore those
[14:25] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, ok
[14:25] <rickspencer3> I just did adb reboot
[14:26] <rickspencer3> so I assume that counts as restarted the session
[14:26] <cjwatson> Assuming you're on a RO image, you can't delete the preinstalled apps themselves
[14:26] <cjwatson> Yeah
[14:26] <cjwatson> (And they aren't in /opt/click.ubuntu.com anyway)
[14:26] <mterry> cwayne, yah, working on that now
[14:26] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, uh, weird, so it seems to think that Franglish is still installed
[14:27] <barry> mandel: ping
[14:27] <rickspencer3> though, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/$ click list --manifest | grep angl
[14:27] <mandel> barry, pong
[14:28] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: The scope is working off the presence of .desktop files, probably
[14:28] <rickspencer3> ok
[14:28] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: But we should try to get everything back into sync, so just reinstall your franglish app
[14:28] <mandel> barry, I've seen the bugs you reported, I think that bug #1224676 and bug #1224678 are the same guy
[14:28] <ogra_> asac, its still running :/
[14:28] <ubot5`> bug 1224676 in ubuntu-download-manager "Downloader stops working after first download" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224676
[14:28] <ubot5`> bug 1224678 in ubuntu-download-manager "md5sum of downloaded .tgz file is incorrect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224678
[14:28] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, I can't reinstall it from the scope
[14:29] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: pkcon install-local foo.click
[14:29] <cjwatson> as phablet
[14:29] <rickspencer3> because More Suggestions thinks it's installed
[14:29] <cjwatson> the scope is probably fairly horribly confused :)
[14:29] <mandel> barry, bug #1224641 is a known issues :)
[14:29] <ubot5`> bug 1224641 in ubuntu-download-manager "Local fs destination is ignored in group downloads" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224641
[14:30] <cjwatson> I think the scope has to work off the presence of .desktop files to some extent for performance rather than polling "click list", so it probably gets rather confused when those mismatch
[14:30] <rickspencer3> cjwatson,
[14:30] <rickspencer3> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/$ pkcon install-local franglish.click
[14:30] <rickspencer3> Installing files              [[14:30] <rickspencer3> Fatal error: could not resolve: franglish.click
[14:30] <rickspencer3> ?
[14:30] <rickspencer3> do I need to qualify the package name better?
[14:32] <stgraber> asac: that's part of what will change with the rewrite
[14:32] <stgraber> asac: if we do that change before then, that'll just lead to dataloss
[14:32] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: one moment
[14:32] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, it's in click list now if I run as the phablet user
[14:32] <stgraber> ogra_: be very very careful not to have a cron-triggered one run at the same time as a manually triggered one or we'll loose data
[14:32] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, sure, take your time
[14:32] <asac> stgraber: kk
[14:33] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, oh, that last thing I said was a lie
[14:33] <mhall119> happy birthday didrocks!
[14:33] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: "could not resolve" here literally means "file doesn't exist"
[14:33] <didrocks> mhall119: thanks a lot! :)
[14:33] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: Maybe it's in the phablet user's home directory and you need to change to that?
[14:33] <cjwatson> "su - phablet" normally sets your homedir
[14:33] <cjwatson> "su phablet" won't
[14:34] <ogra_> stgraber, yeah
[14:34] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, I think you mean this:
[14:34] <rickspencer3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101870/
[14:35] <mhall119> didrocks: cjwatson: is there a list of Qt/QML packages that are part of the "Ubuntu 13.10 platform" that Click packages can target?
[14:35] <rickspencer3> oops, nm, wrong one
[14:35] <ogra_> stgraber, seems to run fine though, i see the json file being updated and the new image shows up in daily  (the run still hasnt finished though)
[14:35] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, I meant this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101874/
[14:35] <mhall119> popey: are the music core app devs working on qt-grilo?
[14:36] <cjwatson> mhall119: Not my call.
[14:36] <mhall119> cjwatson: I was looking more for knowledge than decision :)
[14:37] <didrocks> mhall119: the apps stack
[14:37] <mhall119> didrocks: and do we have a definition of what that is?
[14:37] <popey> mhall119: define "working on"?
[14:37] <didrocks> fetching a link
[14:37] <cjwatson> mhall119: Bug 1219185 should be fixed by adding that declaration to a top-level package
[14:37] <ubot5`> bug 1219185 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu "Framework "ubuntu-sdk-13.10" not present on system" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1219185
[14:37] <cyphermox> didrocks: stuff is still in Packages... :/ I'm still waiting before starting the builds for indicator and webapps
[14:37] <mhall119> context: I'm putting all of the APIs into the new API website, and I need to know which packages' docs to include
[14:37] <ogra_> stgraber, so my other issue is that we now ship ssh by default but with an .override in place so it does not autostart ... i would like to make the .override removable, will the system-image setup cope with that ?
[14:37] <cjwatson> bzoltan closed that bug in error
[14:38] <didrocks> cyphermox: give me a green light once the removal is published, I'm going to track that and note times
[14:38] <cyphermox> sure
[14:38] <davmor2> mhall119: wouldn't dpkg -l | grep qt give you a pretty comprehensive list?
[14:38] <ogra_> asac, DONE !
[14:38] <cyphermox> didrocks: my script is still listing stuff, and looking at the file directly it's till full. hoping the removals will get published soon
[14:38] <mhall119> davmor2: it'll give me a list of what I *have*
[14:38] <asac> ogra_: how long did this take?
[14:38] <ogra_> rickspencer3, happy upgrading
[14:38] <asac> 20 minutes?
[14:38] <didrocks> cyphermox: let's count times
[14:38] <ogra_> asac, over 30min
[14:39] <asac> wow
[14:39] <mhall119> davmor2: which isn't at all the same as what I should expect on a default image
[14:39] <asac> ogra_: do you hvae timestamps of start and end?
[14:39] <ogra_> so the 1h is realistic if you want to make sure to not step on your own shoes
[14:39] <asac> ogra_: please record them somewhere and send them to ev
[14:39] <attente> has anyone experience with dataChanged() and data() in QAbstract{Item,List}Model?
[14:39] <didrocks> mhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/trunk/view/head:/stacks/saucy/apps.cfg
[14:39] <stgraber> ogra_: there's unfortunately no way to remove files from a read-only system. I think in this specific case, your best bet is to have something toggle the content of the override from say "manual" to "" and just have that file marked writable.
[14:39] <mhall119> thanks didrocks
[14:39] <ogra_> asac, i dont have exact ones but i started it around 10min past the hour
[14:40] <asac> ogra_: ok. invent them
[14:40] <asac> and send them
[14:40] <didrocks> mhall119: yw
[14:40] <asac> :)
[14:40] <stgraber> ogra_: if you really want to see a file gone, the closest thing you can do is have it point to a broken symlink (which gives you ENOFILE back on access, so pretty similar to removal)
[14:40] <popey> boiko: can you see me typing? ☻
[14:40] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: Are you sure that that file actually exists?  Did you tab-complete it?
[14:40] <popey> boiko: in the chat in G+
[14:40] <cyphermox> didrocks: last update of the files was at 14h22 ; we should see it anytime now
[14:40] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: It might be a dangling symlink?
[14:41] <ogra_> stgraber, hmm
[14:41] <boiko> popey: yep, I saw that :)
[14:42] <davmor2> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101895/  that is from a fresh flash  doing phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel=daily-proposed --no-backup
[14:42] <davmor2> mhall119: that might help some at least :)
[14:42] <mhall119> davmor2: thanks,but I think the link didrocks gave me is the definitive one
[14:43] <davmor2> mhall119: ah no worries
[14:43] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, I am not sure
[14:43]  * rickspencer3 tries
[14:43] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, it's not there
[14:43]  * rickspencer3 grovels around directory
[14:43] <mhall119> just updated my phone and I have no messaging menu :(
[14:44] <cjohnston> mhall119: known
[14:44] <mhall119> but I do have icons now for most of my click apps, so that's a win
[14:44] <mhall119> cjohnston: is there a bug for that?
[14:44] <cjohnston> mhall119: not atm... working on it
[14:44] <davmor2> mhall119: no because there is a load of stuff that needs to land
[14:45] <mhall119> cjohnston: can you paste me the bug # once you have it?
[14:45] <cjohnston> ack
[14:45] <mhall119> davmor2: no to what?
[14:45] <cjohnston> mhall119: the bug
[14:45] <davmor2> mhall119: no bug
[14:45] <mhall119> ok
[14:49] <mhall119> popey: getting back to qt-grilo, I'd like to get somebody to put together qdoc config files for it,so I can generate API docs and get them on the new site
[14:53] <popey> mhall119: ahh, okay, I don't know how much they've looked at qt-grillo tbh, might be worth pinging them. not like they have anything better to do :þ
[14:53] <davmor2> sergiusens: I've enabled mir and now it appears that my phone is refusing to go to sleep
[14:55] <cjohnston> mhall119: alesage bug #1225017
[14:55] <ubot5`> bug 1225017 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "Messaging indicator missing from indicator bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1225017
[14:55] <cjohnston> plars: ^
[14:55] <mhall119> thanks cjohnston
[14:56] <pmcgowan> davmor2, correct, powerd is not hooked up when in mir mode
[14:58] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1225023 FWIW
[14:58] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1225023 in click (Ubuntu) "Manually removing packages without removing user symlinks causes chaos" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:59] <mfisch> lool: we landed 1 more fix last night to u-touch-customization-hooks
[15:00] <cwayne> mfisch, the d/install one?
[15:01] <mfisch> cwayne: yeah
[15:02] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, thanks for the bug
[15:02] <davmor2> pmcgowan: ah okay thanks
[15:02] <rickspencer3> fwiw, you don't even want to know the chaos I am inflicting on my poor phone now
[15:02] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:02] <rickspencer3> I think I see smoke coming out of it
[15:03] <cwayne> cjwatson, re: the /custom clickapps, can we not have apparmor look in /custom/var/lib/apparmor for profiles?
[15:03] <cjwatson> cwayne: That's up to jdstrand and his team
[15:03] <cjwatson> cwayne: But I'd be a lot happier not doing that, and instead having the postinst-style script after image application
[15:04] <cwayne> cjwatson, fair enough, was just trying to see if that was a potential solution :)
[15:04] <cjwatson> cwayne: Because in general I think it is a Very Bad Idea to require increasing the set of directories various things have to look in every time we add another click database
[15:04] <mhall119> I seem to have duplicates of all of the webapps, why is that/
[15:04] <jdstrand> I would also prefer not doing that. we are not particularly happy with /var/lib/apparmor in the first place
[15:04] <cjwatson> cwayne: The design of click hooks is trying to keep things as low-cost as possible for the system being integrated with
[15:05] <mhall119> corection, I have triplicates of webapps, duplicates of all click apps
[15:06] <mhall119> alecu: is there a bug already for the duplicate click app entries?
[15:06] <ogra_> rickspencer3, thats fine as long as it isnt the "magic smoke"
[15:07] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:08] <cjwatson> mhall119: Bug 1224938
[15:08] <ubot5`> bug 1224938 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Click apps listed twice on home screen in "installed apps"" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224938
[15:09] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch music file types | http://askubuntu.com/q/345131
[15:12] <mhall119> sergiusens: are the webapps being installed twice in the default images?
[15:12] <mhall119> once as deb and again a click?
[15:12] <mhall119> that would explain why I have 3 of each of those
[15:13] <mterry> cwayne, how do I change the normal shell background?  I tried the following, but it didn't make a visible difference: sudo -u phablet dbus-launch gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri /usr/share/backgrounds/background_3.png
[15:13] <cwayne> it has to be picture-uri file:/path/to/image
[15:14] <cwayne> it might need a reboot, im not sure
[15:14] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, ralsina ftr, I got it all back up again
[15:16] <mterry> cwayne, a reboot did it.  odd
[15:16] <mhall119> anybody on the latest system image able to launch the default icons in the Launcher?
[15:16] <cwayne> mhall119, yeah
[15:17] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1225028
[15:17] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1225028 in Unity 8 "Can't launch any of the default icons on the Launcher" [Undecided,New]
[15:18] <davmor2> pmcgowan, kgunn: I have enable mir on my maguro the screen has locked completely what info is useful to collect and from where?
[15:18] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: Great
[15:18] <wellsb> mhall119: I'm experiencing the same bug you described
[15:19] <mterry> cwayne, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-wallpaper-fallback/+merge/185526
[15:21] <davmor2> actually never mind it might just be the empty adressbook at 132% cpu that is doing it
[15:21] <davmor2> pmcgowan ^
[15:21] <kgunn> davmor2: can you describe exactly what you flashed? did you use -b or --wipe? did you use pending cdimage? did you dist-upgrade the device after flashing? did you modify the environment file & remove surf flinger?
[15:22] <kgunn> davmor2: oh...ok...i'll asume you're ok unless you ping again
[15:23] <cwayne> mzanetti, any chance we could get a review on this? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-wallpaper-fallback/+merge/185526 (or anyone else that could do it)
[15:24] <kdub> greyback, any insight on that !isEmpty() assertion i was seeing yesterday?
[15:24] <kdub> happened when I compiled from lp:unity8 too
[15:24] <xnox> ogra_: please help =)))
[15:24] <xnox> chvt: can't open console
[15:24] <xnox> Couldn't find data partition. Spawning adbd ...
[15:25] <greyback> kdub: flash latest update, that problem will go away. I've no idea what caused it though
[15:26] <greyback> it was something wrong with the environment though, possibly QPA plugins missing
[15:26] <cjohnston> davmor2: I do seem to have the same sleep issue as you on mir
[15:27] <mterry> Cimi, what's the latest on first-boot setup?
[15:27] <kdub> greyback, thanks
[15:28] <Cimi> mterry, there's a branch
[15:28] <davmor2> kgunn: phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel=daily-proposed --no-backup, did touch /home/phablet/.display-mir and enabled wifi as 3g is still suck for me.  Then just played around with the phone launching contacts from the launcher seems to disagree with the screen though
[15:28]  * rickspencer3 starts downloading latest update 
[15:28] <Cimi> mterry, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/ubuntu-system-settings/welcome-wizard
[15:29] <Cimi> mterry, needs wifi plugin before continuing
[15:30] <mterry> Cimi, doesn't look like anyone has reviewed
[15:30] <lool> mfisch: I can't see my own commits in lp:ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks, what happened?
[15:30] <lool> mfisch: how did you do the merges?
[15:30] <Cimi> mterry, because it's not ready
[15:30] <Cimi> mterry, it is missing wifi plugin
[15:31] <Cimi> mterry, I am waiting for it
[15:31] <mterry> Cimi, OK, cool.  Just wanted to make sure it wasn't languishing without timely reviews
[15:31] <mfisch> lool: I added you to the team, but what I did was merge your stuff into mine and then push it up, so your old MP from 2 weeks ago is included
[15:31] <mterry> Cimi, who's doing the wifi bits?
[15:31] <Cimi> mterry, ted
[15:31] <mterry> Cimi, cool
[15:31] <mterry> robru, so...  about those MIRs of yours
[15:32] <mterry> robru, we still want cordova in?
[15:33] <lool> mfisch: well you haven't bzr merged it
[15:33] <lool> mfisch: you might have taken the changes and committed them manually
[15:34] <lool> mfisch: but a) https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks/xdg-data-dirs/+merge/184157 is still Needs review (wouldn't be if the revisions had been merged)  and b) the current trunk branch misses the tags (try bzr tags on it)
[15:34] <davmor2> kgunn: oh and I pinned the terminal to the launcher
[15:36] <rickspencer3> lool, slangasek can I assume it's a bad sign if I downloaded the last update, but my phone is unresponsive, and top shows apport as taking up a CPU core?
[15:36] <ev> eep.
[15:36]  * rickspencer3 tries install and update
[15:37] <mhall119> Kaleo: where is the branch for the 'extras' package of the ubuntu-ui-toolkit?
[15:37] <mfisch> lool: yes, I did it manually. The issue was that I was working under the assumption that you were doing everything based on the Ubuntu branch, not upstream
[15:38] <mhall119> Kaleo: nvm, found it
[15:38]  * rickspencer3 drums fingers
[15:38] <mfisch> lool: sorry, I'm dealing with moving stuff in my basement due to possibly flooding, so I'm only herre off and on
[15:38] <mhall119> Kaleo: hmmm, it needs qdocs though
[15:40] <lool> rickspencer3: it's probably while an app is crashing
[15:40] <lool> rickspencer3: so something crashed and the crash file is being written by apport once it got the segv from the kernel
[15:41] <lool> rickspencer3: now if you could ls -ltr /var/crash and see what's the latest crash there  :-)
[15:41] <lool> mfisch: the mp was actually from the upstream branch into the upstream branch -- as expected
[15:42] <lool> I never touched the ubuntu one
[15:42] <barry> mandel: okay, i've learned my lesson not to try to build ubuntu-download-manager on my local machine.  the sbuild locked the whole thing up ;)
[15:42] <mhall119> oSoMoN: ping
[15:43] <mandel> barry, really? 'cause jenkins was having no problems
[15:43] <mfisch> lool: I started with the ubuntu branch and did my MP, then after we talked, I merged it all manually into the upstream branch, superceding your changes. I didn't even know that your MP existed until I had done my merge.
[15:43] <rickspencer3> it seemed like an error when I was downloading updates
[15:43] <mandel> barry, the project is getting bigger and bigger... but locking the machine, that is extreme
[15:43] <barry> mandel: yeah, i mean keyboard, mouse, ssh... dead as a doorknob
[15:43] <oSoMoN> mhall119: pong
[15:43] <mandel> barry, lol
[15:43] <barry> mandel: hard reboot needed
[15:44] <barry> ;)
[15:44] <mandel> barry, sorry to hear that.. I'm going to pull the 'in my machine works!' card
[15:44] <barry> mandel: this is the last thing i see in the build log:
[15:44] <barry> 2013-09-13 11:30:41,509 - DEBUG - Starting daemon
[15:45] <mandel> barry, is probably running the tests
[15:45] <mandel> barry, it is nto 'starting' the real daemon but probably a test in the daemon class
[15:45] <ogra_> xnox, uh, where is that ?
[15:45] <barry> mandel: i think i'll leave it to the ppas from now on ;)
[15:46] <mhall119> oSoMoN: would it be possible to get QDocs for Ubuntu.Components.Extras.Browser?
[15:46] <mandel> barry, yes, is the simplest approach, or just install the deps and qmake & make
[15:46] <mhall119> I want to add it to http://91.189.93.79/api/qml/sdk-1.0/
[15:46] <mandel> barry, the debian/control is there with them
[15:47] <barry> mandel: thanks
[15:47] <oSoMoN> mhall119: yes, it’s a matter of writing the doc first, then ensure it’s built and published
[15:51] <mhall119> oSoMoN: if you write the content and the qdocconf, I'll take care of building and publishing :)
[15:53] <xnox> ogra_: hm, qemu booting.
[15:53] <ogra_> oh, awesome
[15:54] <ogra_> i guess you need to create a partitioned img to make it properly work then
[15:54] <ogra_> (with labeled partitions)
[15:54] <davmor2> popey: in the screenshot script was the capture dependant on surface flinger?
[15:54] <rickspencer3> slangasek, stgraber downloading the updates doesn't seem to be working for me
[15:55] <popey> davmor2: dunno, not tried it without, but probably
[15:55] <rickspencer3> is there a way I can check on the progress of the download?
[15:55] <popey> rickspencer3: just worked for me
[15:55] <popey> and mhall119
[15:55] <rickspencer3> oops, download timed out
[15:55] <popey> it doesn't update the screen when downloading
[15:55] <rickspencer3> finally got a reply
[15:55] <rickspencer3> popey, I know that's why I asked if there was a way I could check on the progress
[15:55] <rickspencer3> like looking at the file as it downloads, etc...
[15:55] <oSoMoN> mhall119: sure, I’ll put it on my long list of tasks…
[15:55] <mhall119> yeah, no download progressbar is annoying
[15:56] <mhall119> thanks oSoMoN
[15:57] <lool> mfisch: I dont have commit access to the upstream branch still
[15:57]  * rickspencer3 drums fingers
[15:57] <mhall119> rickspencer3: mine didn't take more than a few minutes, how long have you been waiting?
[15:57] <lool> mfisch: please, could you pull lp:~lool/ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks/merged into it?  I've truly merged the branches together now, this should give us correct tags with latest contents
[15:57] <lool> mfisch: then I'll look at sponsoring it
[15:58] <ogra_> rickspencer3, "system-image-cli -v" in the terminal will show progress ... until the UI worksss right
[15:58] <rickspencer3> thanks ogra_
[15:58] <ogra_> (sudo ... )
[15:59] <rickspencer3> ogra_, just what I needed
[15:59] <mhall119> kalikiana: ping
[15:59] <lool> rickspencer3: I had to retry the download a bunch of times yesterday myself; because it was large and nexus 4 wifi is shitty for me
[15:59] <mfisch> lool: looking and I will fix you access
[16:00] <lool> rickspencer3: it will be better with download service I'm sure
[16:00] <lool> well, maybe it's too early to say I'm sure  ;-)
[16:00] <rickspencer3> lool,  ...
[16:00] <rickspencer3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6102215/
[16:00] <ogra_> dont blame the poor nexus4 for your bad AP :P
[16:00] <lool> barry: ^^^
[16:00] <lool> rickspencer3: wow
[16:01] <lool> barry: rick has a crash in system-image-cli, see above backtrace
[16:02] <rickspencer3> for clarity, I kicked off the download from the Settings GUI
[16:02] <ogra_> might be that it still ran in the background (without UI feedback) when you fired up the -cli command
[16:03] <rickspencer3> ogra_, my assumption was that it was still runnng
[16:03] <ogra_> yeah
[16:04] <ogra_> so you probably stepped on your own toes
[16:04] <rickspencer3> ok
[16:04] <rickspencer3> I'll try rebooting again
[16:06]  * rickspencer3 clicks Download again
[16:06] <cjohnston> davmor2: did you file a bug for the mir not sleeping issue?
[16:06] <davmor2> cjohnston: nope it's known
[16:07] <cjohnston> is there a bug or someone just has it in their head?
[16:07] <davmor2> cjohnston: pmcgowan said that mir isn't plugged into powerd yet
[16:07] <cjohnston> ic
[16:08] <pmcgowan> davmor2, cjohnston the api changes, its top of the list
[16:08] <ChickenCutlass> cjohnston, being worked on as we speak
[16:08] <davmor2> cjohnston: hence not filing the bug :)
[16:08] <cjohnston> thanks ChickenCutlass
[16:09] <cjohnston> davmor2: jfunk had us file a bug on the messaging thing even though it was known, and possibly fixed in the upcoming indicator changes just for tracking
[16:09] <pmcgowan> Laney, do you know th conf for the background image? seb told me how to reset it but I forget the key
[16:09] <rickspencer3> slangasek, barry so it's looking like when I start the download, it just stops downloading
[16:09] <rickspencer3> -rw------- 1 root root 490 Sep 13 16:05 /tmp/system-image/ubuntu-20130913.delta-20130910.2.tar.xz.asc
[16:10] <rickspencer3> lool, ^ is thi what you were seeing?
[16:10] <slangasek> that's the signature file only
[16:10] <mhall119> davmor2: how is it being tracked if there is no bug?  Is there a workitem in a Blueprint?
[16:10] <davmor2> cjohnston: fair enough :)  I do the same thing for U1 stuff but this managers telling me it's in the works so I won't tread on their toes till they say it's out and I can still reproduce it :)
[16:10] <rickspencer3> slangasek, oh
[16:10] <rickspencer3> duh
[16:10] <rickspencer3> hold on
[16:11] <rickspencer3> sorry slangasek that was just what it busted it on last time, the last thing it showed downloading
[16:12] <rickspencer3> slangasek, I think I am having lool's problem
[16:12] <rickspencer3> the wireless being flaky :)
[16:15] <mpt> JohnLea, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#phone-indicator
[16:16] <rickspencer3> aaarg
[16:17] <rickspencer3> slangasek, so, second time, I hit Install and restart and it say "Apply update failed: no update has been downloaded"
[16:17] <rickspencer3> :/
[16:19] <slangasek> hum
[16:20] <rickspencer3> slangasek, anything I can do to debu
[16:20] <rickspencer3> this has happened twice in a row for me
[16:20] <slangasek> barry: ^^ what do you suggest for further debugging these system-image failures?
[16:20] <rickspencer3> slangasek, barry it all looks downloaded: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6102292/
[16:21] <lool> rickspencer3: yeah, when wireless is flaky I have to retry a bunch of times, sometimes rebooting first, it's painful
[16:21] <rickspencer3> lool, even though it all downloaded?
[16:21] <rickspencer3> maybe some checksums don't add up?
[16:21] <lool> rickspencer3: when it actually completes and I get the "reboot" button, it usually works
[16:22] <rickspencer3> lool, so I got there, but it didn;t work
[16:22] <rickspencer3> it said there it was not downloaded
[16:22] <rickspencer3> I'd rather not just try again, but take a peek at it in it's current state to see if there is a bug here
[16:22] <lool> rickspencer3: if you connected to some redirected wifi setup, some downloads might indeed be corrupted, but I think system-image starts from scratch each time anyway, so it shouldn't affect retries
[16:26] <rickspencer3> ok
[16:26]  * rickspencer3 tries again
[16:30] <rickspencer3> lool, slangasek, barry, so that time it downloaded much faster, and seems to be installing cleanly
[16:33] <WebbyIT> Do online accounts work? Because I try to add Twitter, it redirect me to login page, I do login, then redirect me to account page, but there are no accounts set.
[16:34] <lool> rickspencer3: cool
[16:35] <lool> rickspencer3: it's not worth debugging this too much since we're replacing the downloader logic with download service ASAP
[16:39] <lool> didrocks: heyo
[16:39] <lool> didrocks: I'm sponsoring a package for mfisch and others used to override ubuntu settings in custom images
[16:40] <barry> rickspencer3, lool, slangasek if you want, you can change the loglevel in /etc/system-image/client.ini to 'info' or 'debug' and get more output in the log file, but yeah we're working furiously on replacing the internal downloader with the d/l service
[16:40] <lool> didrocks: they would like to land this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6102368/
[16:40] <lool> didrocks: it goes in the image; as you can see, the upstart jobs start with [ -d /custom ] || exit 0 and are not doing anything when launched in our images
[16:40] <lool> didrocks: question 1: is it ok to land this now?
[16:41] <lool> didrocks + mfisch: question 2: should we add this to some "daily autolanding" stack?
[16:41] <mfisch> we anticipate at least one more change to that package but hopefully it slows down
[16:43] <didrocks> lool: our image == ro image?
[16:43] <didrocks> for question 2: sure, it should be in the daily release process
[16:43] <didrocks> mfisch: do you think we should wait for it?
[16:43] <lool> didrocks: yes
[16:43] <lool> didrocks: the branch is lp:ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks BTW
[16:44] <didrocks> lool: seems safe enough to me, so +1
[16:44] <lool> didrocks: but let's wait for mfisch to confirm
[16:44] <didrocks> (now that we published)
[16:44] <lool> didrocks: Ok; uploading this manually for now
[16:44] <didrocks> but let's see if mfisch has more changes
[16:44] <davmor2> cjohnston: did you write a bug for the powerd issue or did you want me too?
[16:44] <didrocks> first
[16:44] <lool> didrocks: oh we promoted an image?
[16:44] <didrocks> lool: right, at least… 2 hours ago! :)
[16:44]  * didrocks goes grab some lunch bbiab
[16:44] <mfisch> sorry guys, back now
[16:44] <mfisch> I dont have an eta on the other change, let me get it from cwayne
[16:44] <mfisch> cwayne: any eta for that other fix for a/s?
[16:48] <lool> mfisch: tagged and uploaded 0.3
[16:48] <lool> mfisch: do you know about daily landing?  are you ok with switching to that mode/
[16:49] <mfisch> lool: yes, that would be great
[16:49] <lool> didrocks: ^  so whenever you have a chance, I've not uploaded latest version, but other changes will be coming, would you or someone in your team help add this branch to some good daily landing stack?
[16:49] <lool>  subject: [ubuntu/saucy-proposed] ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks 0.3
[16:50] <mfisch> lool: will that follow the standard process? push to trunk, but a new version goes only when you add a changelog? or will every push be a new revision?
[16:52] <cwayne> mfisch, theres an MR, let me check on it
[16:52] <mfisch> cwayne: an MR for another component?
[16:52] <cwayne> mfisch, unity8
[16:53] <mfisch> cwayne: okay, so we're backed up then
[16:59] <AskUbuntu> WebSQL and other databases not working with HTML5 apps | http://askubuntu.com/q/345181
[17:00] <lool> mfisch: not sure what the best resource is, Didier had blog posts on this and there was a vUDS session on it
[17:01] <lool> mfisch: I think when we're in auto mode, stuff gets rolled automatically in packages, and also from packages back to the branch, but you're supposed never to commit directly; instead you send mps and approve them
[17:01] <mfisch> lool: yep sounds similar to the old ps process
[17:09] <lool> ev: So I've straced whoopsie and it gets timeouts when contacting daisy.ubuntu.com
[17:09] <lool> will try to get a network trace
[17:10] <lool> ev: what I see in strace are new processes / threads appearing every now and then, printing "online" then resolving daisy.u.c and getting a connection timeout on a socket
[17:11] <genii> lool: I'm getting pretty high numbers on simple ping to it ( 100-350ms)
[17:11] <lool> genii: I'm getting decent ping reply times
[17:15] <lool> ev: so with a network trace, I only see the DNS requests getting out, nothing else
[17:17] <cjohnston> davmor2: I did not.
[17:27] <oSoMoN> bfiller: would you have some time to test/review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/clear-history/+merge/185470 ?
[17:28] <lool> ev: I dont understand what was going on, but all crashes now uploaded after restarting again in foreground!
[17:28] <ev> weird!
[17:30] <cyphermox> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/cupstream2distro-config/add-indicators-test-packages/+merge/185555
[17:35] <lool> ev: hmm I can see my device's uploads on errors.u.c with the URL you gave me, but can't find corresponding entries on the errors.u.c index
[17:35] <lool> getting late here, will chase this monday I think
[17:36] <lool> bye all
[17:37] <ev> have a nice weekend
[17:37] <ev> lool: let's catch up over it when I get back from holiday
[17:45] <sergiusens> cjwatson, beuno  wrt to tranlating manifests, how is that going to happen?
[17:45] <beuno> sergiusens, my understanding is that it won't happen in the manifest, but in the web ui
[17:45] <beuno> we are 80% done with that
[17:46] <sergiusens> beuno, ok, so we'll keep the manifest simple, that's better for me
[17:46] <sergiusens> thanks
[17:48]  * beuno waits for his high-five
[17:51]  * cwayne high fives beuno 
[17:51] <cwayne> sorry, i just like high fives, couldn't leave you hanging
[17:51] <beuno> \o/
[17:51] <beuno> thanks cwayne, my arm was starting to hurt
[17:52] <cwayne> sorry i couldn't get here sooner
[17:52] <cwayne> lol
[18:04] <robru> mterry, yeah, we are trying to get cordova in :-/
[18:06] <mterry> robru, hi
[18:06] <robru> mterry, hey
[18:06] <mterry> robru, so I enabled tests for qtgraphicaleffects and qtsvg
[18:06] <mterry> robru, qtpim had a test failure, I wasn't sure how to investigate
[18:06] <robru> mterry, you got them working? what was the trick with plugin path?
[18:07] <mterry> robru, there were two pieces:  We needed to set QT_PLUGIN_PATH=./plugins *as well as* LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./libs
[18:07] <robru> ahhhhhh
[18:07] <mterry> I didn't realize at first that it built its own library that it also installed
[18:07] <robru> mterry, so how do we handle this? can we submit the patches upstream to debian?
[18:07] <mterry> robru, I already passed on to Debian
[18:07] <robru> oh, sweet.
[18:08] <mfisch> didrocks: we're not waiting on anything else in ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks at the moment, the fix is in another package
[18:08] <robru> mterry, you're on fire ;-)
[18:08] <mterry> robru, as for qtpim, the same style of patch works to run tests.  But as I said, I hit a seemingly real test failure
[18:08] <robru> mterry, ok, did you report a bug? do you want me to try it?
[18:08] <mterry> robru, so someone that knows the problem space will need to look at that
[18:08] <didrocks> mfisch: ok, so +1 for this trivial change
[18:08] <mterry> robru, sure, take a peek
[18:08] <didrocks> but work on getting under daily release
[18:08] <robru> mterry, ok. i don't know anything, but I'll at least ping Mirv about it with my findings.
[18:09] <mfisch> didrocks: yes, who should I work with on daily releases?
[18:09] <mterry> robru, now...  that's for the webapps side.  There is qtpim and webbrowser-app left to go there.  webbrowser app still needs security review
[18:09] <mterry> robru, as for the cordova side...
[18:09] <robru> yeah?
[18:10] <didrocks> mfisch: just please send me an email with the projects/branches that shold be under dailies
[18:10] <mterry> robru, it looks like there is some vague uneasiness about the qtsystems plugin being a git snapshot.  And cordova-ubuntu itself sounded fine from jamie's comment.  But qtmultimedia is the big problem there, just because of its deps
[18:10] <mfisch> didrocks: will do
[18:10] <robru> mterry, yeah, i'm not sure what to do about that. I asked alex and he says it's really used :-/
[18:10] <mterry> robru, my understanding is that we actually do need openal?  That it's not a dependency we can just chop, eh?
[18:11] <robru> alex-abreu, ^^ do you know if the usage of qtmultimedia in cordova is really using openal? or just different parts of qtmultimedia?
[18:11] <cwayne> mterry, hey, so whats the AS policykit bug fix waiting on?
[18:11] <mterry> robru, openal is one of those things where we have a bunch of audio libraries in main already.  Any chance we could port qtmultimedia to like... alsa or something?  (not really sure what's comparable to openal)
[18:11] <alex-abreu> robru, mmmh no, where is openal listed as a dep ?
[18:12] <mterry> cwayne, asac and the QA team want to test it
[18:12] <mterry> alex-abreu, of qtmultimedia
[18:12] <robru> alex-abreu, qtmultimedia brings in openal, and openal brings in a ton of other stuff.
[18:12] <asac> mterry: do you have it in CI?
[18:12] <asac> mterry: lightdm thatis?
[18:12] <xnox> So... I installed Ingres app from the store on ubuntu touch, and it locks up nexus 7 =)
[18:12] <xnox> nonetheless there is Ingress app available now =)
[18:13] <robru> xnox, let me know if you get that working. that's the one thing blocking me from dogfooding on my n4 ;-)
[18:13] <mterry> asac, uh, lightdm is in CI, but not auto-release-to-distro.  But it's not a lightdm change anymore.  Only remaining bit is ubuntu-touch-session changes to move from upstart to lightdm for the touch session
[18:13] <xnox> robru: it's "Ingres Intel" only, not the Scanner =/
[18:13] <robru> oh, buh
[18:13] <robru> xnox, wait, who's authoring this? is it a qml app?
[18:13] <xnox> robru: no, not qml ;-)
[18:14] <mterry> asac, (and session-manager-touch does not seem to use CI)
[18:14] <xnox> robru: there is also xkcd, lloyds tsb UK banking app, tumblr....
[18:14] <bfiller> oSoMoN: I will take a look
[18:14] <alex-abreu> mterry, robru well the cordova api has some audio caps & uses qtmultimedia for that, not sure about the backends to it
[18:14] <asac> mterry: lightdm is in CI? so you moved it there recently? i remember sending a mail to robert_ancell asking if we could add it
[18:14] <asac> because it was directly uploaded
[18:14] <xnox> robru: it's webapps ;-)
[18:14] <asac> ... so he did it already?
[18:14] <ogra_> asac, as i told you over lunch, we need to add lxc-android-config and session-manager-touch to CI still
[18:14] <robru> xnox, ah yeah
[18:15] <mterry> asac, well.  wait.  when I say CI I mean jenkins landing code to trunk.  I believe that's enabled.  But we don't do daily releases to distro
[18:15] <mterry> That's still a manual process
[18:15] <asac> mterry: you use upstream merger?
[18:15] <asac> mterry: can you point me at one merge commit please?
[18:15] <asac> want to see what bots answer to them
[18:15] <asac> err merge request :)
[18:15] <mterry> asac, yeah
[18:15] <asac> not merge commit
[18:15] <mterry> https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/lightdm/keep-vt-around/+merge/184887
[18:15] <mterry> asac, ^
[18:16] <neokore> Hi, anyone could help me flashing a nexus 4? I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch but I get an error when I run phablet-flash
[18:16] <mterry> alex-abreu, so you don't know why it uses openal vs some other framework?  And presumably don't care about the backend past "make some noises"?
[18:16] <cjohnston> neokore: giving us the error would be helpful
[18:17] <alex-abreu> mterry, qtmultimedia ? nope/yes
[18:17] <asac> mterry: which autopilots are run for lightdm in upstream merger? do you know?
[18:17] <mterry> asac, I don't believe any autopilot.  It has a dep8 test suite though, if I recall
[18:17] <neokore> cjohnston: with phablet-flash ubuntu-system I get "Backup requested but cannot be completed succesfully"
[18:18] <asac> mterry: yeah that test suite doesnt help me much :)
[18:18] <asac> mterry: i will add unity8-autopilot
[18:18] <asac> i assume if this breaks something it will break unity8 most likely
[18:18] <neokore> cjohnston: Trying with -bo-backup I get "ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb shell mount /data' returned non-zero exit status 255"
[18:18] <asac> mterry: it also enables polkit right?
[18:18] <popey> neokore: --no-backup ?
[18:18] <asac> mterry: which apps will from then on rely on polkit?
[18:18] <ogra_> asac, what exactly do you want tested ?
[18:18] <popey> oops
[18:18] <mterry> asac, it forces logind to recognize VT1 as active, which makes policykit work again
[18:18] <popey> neokore: did you want to keep your data?
[18:19] <asac> mterry: which apps will then go through polkit?
[18:19] <cjohnston> neokore: try specifying the adb id
[18:19] <ogra_> asac, if the session doesnt come up, it is broken ... if the session comes up it works :)
[18:19] <neokore> popey: nope, it's a clean nexus4
[18:19] <asac> ogra_: apps will suddenlly go through polkit
[18:19] <popey> neokore: if you are doing this and want to continue developing with qtcreator, don't use ubuntu-system
[18:19] <asac> ogra_: tell me which apps that are please
[18:19] <popey> neokore: use "phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b"
[18:19] <asac> which app is doing something that requires polkit
[18:19] <asac> ?
[18:19] <ogra_> asac, there isnt really the need for an explicit test, you will clearly see it is broken if thats the case
[18:19] <mterry> asac, well.  To test if policykit is enabled or not, I was toggling the "Stats on Welcome Screen" system setting, because that tries to set an AccountServices field, which needs policykit to work as a normal user
[18:19] <neokore> popey: Ok, I'll try
[18:19] <ogra_> asac, click and NM
[18:20] <mterry> asac, and then I was confirming AcccountService got updated via commandline dbus request
[18:20] <popey> neokore: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install is the instructions, if there's errors, let us know
[18:20] <asac> ogra_: so click store and network indicator?
[18:20] <mterry> asac, I can give you command line if you'd like to test the same way
[18:20] <ogra_> asac, well, the communication between NM and the indicator
[18:20] <asac> mterry: no... i want to set your upstream merger up so that i am confident to land you in parallel with other stuff
[18:20] <mterry> asac, yeah, NM also uses policykit, but you have to disable the current hacks to have NM avoid it.  I'm not familiar with that process
[18:20] <asac> for that i need the autopilots that might potentially effected
[18:21] <asac> mterry: i will check with phonedations guys
[18:21] <ogra_> (and NM itself for user frontend and system backend)
[18:21] <neokore> popey: I followed this instructions, but I though that ubuntu-system was the right image. Now it's downloading, fingercrossing! Thanks
[18:22] <mterry> asac, again, the change that needs to land is not a lightdm-upstream change.  It's just an lp:session-manager-touch change.  Just to be clear
[18:22] <mterry> But that does still need an upstream merger, yeah
[18:22] <cjohnston> neokore: you will just need to make it a writeable image
[18:23] <mterry> robru, anyway...  I'll have a quick look at qtmultimedia, see if there are multiple backends or not
[18:24] <neokore> popey cjohnston: it seems that now it's working... autodeploy right now :D
[18:25] <mterry> alex-abreu, so... ya'll use the QtAudioEngine piece of qtmultimedia?
[18:28] <neokore> popey cjohnston: it boots! Thank you!
[18:28] <alex-abreu> mterry,  mediaplayer, audioencodersettings, cameraviewfinder, & camera image etc. qml components
[18:28] <alex-abreu> mterry, quite a few things
[18:31] <mterry> alex-abreu, ok..  The only piece of qtmultimedia that needs openal is specifically the "QtAudioEngine" Qml plugin.  Package qtdeclarative5-qtaudioengine-plugin, which only the "ubuntu-sdk" depends on.  Is that import specifically part of the SDK?
[18:32] <mterry> alex-abreu, it would make the MIR a lot easier if we could just disable building that plugin
[18:32] <alex-abreu> mterry, yeah I see where you are going
[18:33] <alex-abreu> mterry, no we don't use it
[18:33] <alex-abreu> mterry, to be more precise, we don't use the QtAudioEngine qml plugin from qtmultimedia
[18:33] <alex-abreu> so don't need (unles something lese needs it) the openal backend
[18:34] <mterry> alex-abreu, the only package in Ubuntu that references it is a Recommends from ubuntu-sdk
[18:34] <alex-abreu> ok
[18:35] <mterry> alex-abreu, OK.  So I will go ahead and propose that ubuntu-sdk stop recommending it.  If that lands, I can disable building the plugin in qtmultimedia.  Then the cordova MIR will be able to sail through
[18:35] <mterry> robru, ^
[18:36] <robru> mterry, alex-abreu: oh that's great news. thanks a bunch guys
[18:36] <alex-abreu> mterry, hopefully it won't open the gates to hell but otherwise +1
[18:36] <mterry> alex-abreu, yeah...  We'll see what pushback there is from SDK folks
[18:37] <cjohnston> stgraber: ping
[18:38] <stgraber> cjohnston: pong
[18:40] <cjohnston> stgraber: when updating a system-image, does /etc/media-info (or another file) change to match the new ubuntufs build number?
[18:40] <ossaturalarga> hello
[18:41] <ogra_> cjohnston, it should
[18:41] <ossaturalarga> anyone knows how to install xubuntu 12.04 on a tablet device? i have a mediscom i1010
[18:41] <cjohnston> ogra_: is that the correct file, or another one?
[18:41] <ogra_> thats the correct file for the rootfs stamp
[18:42] <ogra_> the other image info comes from "system-image-cli -i"
[18:42] <cjohnston> ogra_: I wonder if we could get that added to the output from system-image-cli -i
[18:42] <cjohnston> looking to be able to get as much info in one place as possible
[18:42] <ogra_> barry, ^^^ could we ?
[18:42] <stgraber> cjohnston: yep, /etc/media-info should be changing when you update to a new rootfs (note that not all system-images include a new rootfs, some may only ship a new android build)
[18:42] <cjohnston> stgraber: right
[18:43] <cjohnston> stgraber: I'm also wondering if maybe we could record that somewhere somehow, other than the json file
[18:43] <ogra_> cjohnston, i was actually pondering to also inject the android package version into the rootfs so we could check that too
[18:43] <stgraber> cjohnston: we've got a plan to add the triplet (or quadruplet) to /etc/system-image/channel.ini in the coming weeks, then we'll be able to reliably get the version number for all the bits
[18:43] <josepht> yay
[18:43] <cjohnston> stgraber: ack. that would be very helpful... plars ^
[18:44] <ogra_> stgraber, quadruplet ? whats the fourth one ?
[18:44] <stgraber> ogra_: putting the android version in the rootfs would be awfully confusing when we publish an android tarball without a rootfs tarball :)
[18:44] <stgraber> ogra_: customization
[18:44] <ogra_> ah
[18:44] <ogra_> stgraber, oh, do we plan that ?
[18:44] <stgraber> it's a supported use case, yes
[18:44] <ogra_> i thought it is always one tar.xz or one diff
[18:45] <barry> ogra_: sure, please file a bug for what you want.
[18:45] <ogra_> barry, will do
[18:45] <stgraber> anyway, we'll have all the version numbers shipped as part of version.tar.xz soon enough which will give us that information reliably
[18:45] <stgraber> barry: I think we already do
[18:45] <plars> stgraber, cjohnston: would that be updated if the update tool runs?
[18:46] <ogra_> plars, yes, thats how the conversation started above :)
[18:46] <barry> stgraber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bugs?field.tag=client
[18:46] <plars> ah, ok
[18:46] <stgraber> barry: bug 1220907
[18:46] <ubot5`> bug 1220907 in Ubuntu system image "Add support for 'version_detail' in channel.ini" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220907
[18:46] <stgraber> support for version_detail on the server and client side will give us access to the version of each of the tarballs and allow system-image-cli to show that information in -i
[18:46] <ogra_> ah, perfect
[18:47] <barry> stgraber: tagged :)
[18:47] <ogra_> stgraber, but is that on the filesystem anywhere ?
[18:47] <stgraber> ogra_: /etc/system-image/channel.ini
[18:47] <ogra_> or does it need to query the server
[18:47] <ogra_> great
[18:47] <mterry> alex-abreu, robru: who is a good person to ask about the SDK?
[18:48] <alex-abreu> mterry, bzoltan I'd say
[18:48]  * ogra_ notes there is nothing to see here and moves on :)
[18:48] <robru> yeah
[18:48] <stgraber> I'm actually likely to have the server side of that implemented today as part of my work on rewriting the publishing scripts so if all goes well, we'll have the updated file starting on Monday
[18:48] <stgraber> barry: system-image-cli won't freak out if version_detail appears and it doesn't support it yet, right?
[18:49] <stgraber> (not sure how strict it's about it's .ini parsing, hopefully extra keys are just ignored)
[18:49] <barry> stgraber: extra keys are just treated as strings, so it should parse it but won't do anything with it
[18:50] <mterry> robru, ok, sent him an email
[18:50] <cwayne> stgraber, ping
[18:50] <mterry> robru, didn't think to CC you, but will let you know
[18:50] <mterry> He's in Finland, so may be Monday before we hear back
[18:50] <jono> mzanetti, man
[18:50] <jono> that app looks awesome
[18:50] <stgraber> cwayne: pong
[18:50] <stgraber> barry: good
[18:50] <jono> does it use QtLocation and work?
[18:51] <cwayne> stgraber, hey, any updated ETA on the automated signing bits?
[18:51] <robru> mterry, great, thanks
[18:52] <mterry> robru, meanwhile, hopefully some progress is made on the webapps stuff
[18:52] <stgraber> cwayne: if all goes well, we'll switch to the new infrastructure on Monday
[18:52] <robru> mterry, oh, what's wrong with webapps? I thought we skirted qtmultimedia there and everything was great?
[18:52] <robru> mterry, other than that daily release is broken and webapps has some bugs that are desperate for publishing...
[18:52] <mterry> robru, the tests for qtpim and webbrowser-app needs a security review
[18:53] <robru> mterry, oh, right. I'll look at those today. thanks again
[18:53] <cwayne> stgraber, that's great news! thanks man
[18:53] <asac> rsalveti: can you change your request to ask for seedchange of mtp?
[18:53] <rsalveti> asac: sure
[18:53] <alex-abreu> robru, any news on what's blocking releases on our ends ? CI not landing ?
[18:53] <asac> rsalveti: say that that MTP is first to be newed etc.
[18:54] <stgraber> cwayne: I've got some nice pseudocode at the moment and I'm convinced that the design is right, I just need to finish converting that into actual python ;)
[18:54] <stgraber> cwayne: but I'm hopeful I can get most of that done in the next 3 hours before my EOD
[18:55] <robru> alex-abreu, CI seems fine, I saw a bunch of merges land in trunk ok. it's daily_release, the system that handles it is totally hosed, multiple different problems (even hardware problems), so daily_release has just been crippled for a couple weeks now. QA is working on it but apparently it's quite the disaster.
[18:56] <cwayne> stgraber, awesome :D
[18:56] <alex-abreu> robru, I don't see releases for our projects
[18:57] <AskUbuntu> How do I install an Ubuntu Touch app packaged as a Click package? | http://askubuntu.com/q/345226
[18:58] <robru> alex-abreu, yeah, exactly, because daily_release system is down :-P
[18:58] <robru> alex-abreu, CI just means "landing merges in trunk", which is working. daily_release means "pushing releases to distro"
[18:58] <alex-abreu> robru, yes we are on the same page,
[18:58] <mzanetti> jono: :)
[18:59] <alex-abreu> robru, but isn't there a way to get those releases, I mean there are quite a b unch of them pending ...
[18:59] <mzanetti> jono: yes
[18:59] <cwayne> mzanetti, is there any tutorial/api doc for how to use location in utouch?
[19:00] <mzanetti> cwayne: only in its source code
[19:00] <robru> alex-abreu, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to push  manual releases, it screws up the daily_release system quite a bit. didrocks just sent a mail saying they were trying to get the webapps fixes out
[19:01] <didrocks> robru: alex-abreu: manual releases shouldn't be used
[19:02] <robru> I knew it ;-)
[19:02] <alex-abreu> didrocks, I wasn't planning to :)
[19:02] <alex-abreu> didrocks, you are always around hu :)
[19:02] <alex-abreu> leading the lost souls ;)
[19:02] <didrocks> alex-abreu: US time this week ;)
[19:02] <robru> oooooh
[19:02] <alex-abreu> didrocks, ah right, having fun w/ rvr
[19:02] <robru> didrocks, so i can bug you all day ;-)
[19:03] <rvr> alex-abreu: didrocks doesn't like having fun... without laptops
[19:03] <didrocks> robru: too late, it's last day ;)
[19:04] <rvr> He was staring at the screen at the barbecue, too bad
[19:04] <alex-abreu> aha
[19:05] <mfisch> stgraber: is there anything we can do to assist in getting signing setup for our tarballs?
[19:07] <davmor2> ogra_, kgunn, pmcgowan: should the scopes change between unity8 on sf and mir?   On sf I get music/home/apps/videos (like I'm used too) on mir I get home/apps/docs/videos/music/pictures iirc
[19:07] <stgraber> mfisch: actually, I think so, yes. Is there a very easy (scriptable) way of getting the buildID for the Jenkins build?
[19:07] <mfisch> stgraber: I will find out
[19:07] <kgunn> davmor2: i wouldn't think so at all
[19:07] <stgraber> mfisch: currently my code grabs the file and does a sha256 on it to check if it already imported it, sadly that means grabbing the whole tarball every minute from Jenkins :)
[19:08] <stgraber> mfisch: so I think IS would be likely to want to murder me or something if I land that code in production :)
[19:08] <kgunn> davmor2: i could only think that use of the different qt plugin could effect that ?
[19:08] <kgunn> out of the whole stack that would be the only thing i could think
[19:08] <kgunn> that might effect it
[19:09] <kgunn> ...that is really strange
[19:09] <mfisch> stgraber: you just grab lastSuccessful?
[19:09] <kgunn> davmor2: did you dist-upgrade in between possibly ?
[19:09] <stgraber> mfisch: yep
[19:09] <cwayne> fginther, ping
[19:09] <davmor2> kgunn: nope I'm not dist-upgrading I go from image flash to image flash to test the images
[19:09] <fginther> cwayne, hey
[19:10] <mfisch> stgraber: we could add a build number to jenkins I think
[19:10] <stgraber> mfisch: I basically have a basic file source which just grabs stuff over http/https, hashes it and if it's not already imported, processes it, but since we run that code every minute, it's not great :)
[19:10] <mfisch> a file with a build #
[19:10] <stgraber> mfisch: yep, that'd do the trick
[19:10] <mfisch> could jenkins make the hash for you?
[19:10] <mfisch> fginther: can jenkins write out a build id for the sevile job?
[19:10] <cwayne> fginther, hey, is there any way to programatically see what the last sucessful build of a job in jenkins was?
[19:10] <mfisch> lol we're having parallel convos
[19:10] <stgraber> mfisch: yeah, my plan is to add a second file to my http plugin telling it to monitor that file instead and if that one changes, then grab the real thing
[19:11] <kgunn> ricmm: does davmor2 's description of scopes changing make any sense to you ? ^^
[19:11] <stgraber> mfisch: that file can either contain the buildid or some hash or whatever, as long as I can grab it every minute without killing our cross-DC link :)
[19:11] <fginther> cwayne, yes, there are python-jenkins and python-jenkinsapi, both have APIs to get the last sucessful build
[19:11] <kgunn> ricmm: out of all the deltas between surffliner and mir...qt plugin is the only thing i would think might effect that ?
[19:11] <cwayne> fginther, but can they get the build number of that build?
[19:11] <mfisch> fginther: what we need is that jenkins grabs the build # and drops it as a file into the artifacts
[19:12] <davmor2> kgunn: ah hang on it only effects mir after the crash, if I go from sf to mir it is the same, one second let me just confirm that
[19:12] <fginther> mfisch, would that just be another file that gets saved as an archive artifact?
[19:12] <mfisch> fginther: more like echo $BUILDNUM > buildnum
[19:12] <fginther> mfisch, there is env var for that.
[19:12] <mfisch> so stgraber can watch for that file
[19:12] <fginther> mfisch, exactly
[19:13] <mfisch> fginther: okay, I'll change the script
[19:13] <mfisch> fginther: whats the env var?
[19:13] <fginther> mfisch, one moment
[19:14] <stgraber> mfisch: I also though of using a standard HTTP HEAD request, but Jenkins seems pretty bad at replying to those, the headers appear/disappear randomly and the last modified date sometimes looks wrong, so not something I can rely on
[19:14] <fginther> mfisch, in the job configuration page, there is a link to the list of environment variables below the shell script window
[19:14] <stgraber> *thought
[19:14] <mfisch> stgraber: jenkins only polls hourly, you could ratchet your polling down. or is it the same script that everyone else uses?
[19:14] <fginther> mfisch, BUILD_NUMBER
[19:14] <fginther> The current build number, such as "153"
[19:14] <mfisch> thanks
[19:14] <stgraber> mfisch: same script that monitors everything
[19:14] <mfisch> stgraber: k
[19:15] <beuno> tedg, ping. Do you know if it's ok to have X-Ubuntu-StageHint in the .desktop file?
[19:15] <mfisch> testing it out
[19:15] <tedg> beuno, Yeah, it's not used today on phone.  But it's what we plan on using for the tablet.
[19:16] <tedg> beuno, At least last I checked.  Probably need a Unity8 guy to confirm.
[19:16]  * tedg tries to think who'd be awake^W sober
[19:16] <mfisch> its 5pm somewhere
[19:17] <tedg> kgunn, Do you by chance know if X-Ubuntu-StageHint is still valid for the side stage?
[19:17] <kgunn> tedg: i know side stage is not working with unity8-mir
[19:17] <kgunn> pre mir...its a posibility
[19:18] <mfisch> fginther: it builds on the 10. one and then copies stuff to jenkins.qa?
[19:18] <fginther> mfisch, right, that done by the publisher plugin
[19:19] <beuno> tedg, kgunn, would it be harmful if I approve an app in the store using that?
[19:20] <mfisch> stgraber: there is a file called "build_number" now, which you can query
[19:20] <stgraber> mfisch: ah cool, thanks, I'll use that
[19:20] <mfisch> it's 3 bytes, but I expect 25% growth in that size later this fall ;)
[19:21] <stgraber> mfisch: that'll appear in the next build right? I just tried http://10.97.2.10:8080/view/cambridge/job/feifei-image/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/build_number and that doesn't appear to exist.
[19:21] <stgraber> mfisch: (unless that's the wrong project, I remember your team giving me two different names)
[19:22] <mfisch> http://10.97.2.10:8080/job/sevilerow-watch/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/build_number
[19:22] <stgraber> right, different project then
[19:22] <mfisch> stgraber: I still need to fix feifei, sevilerow is the one to do for now
[19:22] <davmor2> kgunn: nope I can't reproduce it I'm assuming it was just a config that got screwed from me constantly crashing it :)
[19:22] <tedg> kgunn, Amazing management-fu, you only know what to yell at people for being broken ;-)
[19:23] <tedg> beuno, I'm pretty sure you're good.
[19:23] <stgraber> mfisch: right, so saucy-customized will be using sevilerow-watch
[19:23] <tedg> beuno, I think that there are several apps that have it in distro today.
[19:23] <beuno> tedg, that will be my commit message, thanks  :)
[19:23] <mfisch> stgraber: perfect
[19:23] <mfisch> stgraber: and we'll be doing the private one on our own
[19:23] <tedg> beuno, Friends app has it, just blame kenvandine
[19:23] <davmor2> beuno: you might need to vary it slightly from one commit to another :D
[19:24] <kgunn> beuno: i don't know....the bug is ours, from sdk perspective it'd be legit
[19:24] <beuno> X-Ubuntu-StageHint=skimbou-app
[19:24] <beuno> tedg, is that a valid way of using it?
[19:25] <tedg> beuno, No
[19:25] <kenvandine> tedg, nothing is EVER my fault :)
[19:25] <tedg> beuno, X-Ubuntu-StageHint=SideStage
[19:25] <beuno> tedg, ah, that's why the script is yelling at me then, thanks  :)
[19:25] <tedg> beuno, It basically means on the tablet you'll not get full screen.
[19:26]  * tedg blames kenvandine for the lack of G+ post support in Friends
[19:26] <mfisch> fginther: should you be the POC for these or should it be me/cwayne?
[19:26] <fginther> mfisch, either of you is more appropriate
[19:27] <mfisch> fginther: oky
[19:27] <beuno> tedg, thanks
[19:27] <mfisch> cwayne it is then
[19:27] <fginther> :-)
[19:27] <cwayne> sure
[19:27] <mfisch> actually I put both of us
[19:28] <cwayne> fine
[19:28] <kenvandine> tedg, totally my fault :)
[19:29] <kgunn> and tedg ...i don't yell...well...often
[19:31] <davmor2> kgunn: if you don't talk through the megaphone it won't sound like you're shouting anymore honest :D
[19:36] <kgunn> davmor2: :)
[19:39] <davmor2> kgunn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1225155 that's a regression on SF for sure also really low on the agenda too I imagine :)
[19:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1225155 in unity-mir "Maguro: Camera app picture taken flash is ugly" [Undecided,New]
[19:40] <kgunn> davmor2: yeah...we'll get right on that :)
[19:40] <davmor2> kgunn: I did say low :)
[19:41] <kgunn> davmor2: yeah...just messin'
[19:41] <davmor2> kgunn: to be honest it will probably get fixed fixin other stuff, I'm just reporting as I'm hittin ;)
[19:58] <nik90_> When trying to execute an app through qtcreator, I get the following error message
[19:58] <nik90_> [21:46:48] bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Invalid argument
[19:58] <nik90_> bash: no job control in this shell
[19:58] <nik90_> Does anyone know why?
[19:58] <nik90_> [21:46:48] QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display
[20:03] <ogra_> davmor2, i dont get that here with the 46 image
[20:03] <ogra_> davmor2, and no, they shouldnt ... they changed between 44 and 46 though ...
[20:04] <ogra_> in 44 we dropped the demo content, which automagically made all these scopes show up, in 45 we actually shrunk that back to the 4 known scopes again
[20:05] <davmor2> ogra_: ah I wonder then if I had it this morning and it was fixed with the flash today and I just remembered seeing it then
[20:05] <ogra_> yeah, it was broken briefly
[20:06] <ogra_> but should all be fine in the recent images
[20:07] <ogra_> i sadly had to drop the remote video lens ... else you would have searchable youtube videos in the video scope :)
[20:07]  * ogra_ hopes we can add that back once the new multimedia stack lands
[20:09] <ogra_> sigh ... if the NM indicator would kill the wlan all the time
[20:09] <ogra_> *wouldn't
[20:09] <ogra_> happens on all devices for me
[20:10] <ogra_> (and apparently for others too around me here at the sprint)
[20:17] <davmor2> ogra_: I found the transfer from 3g to wifi was the big issue for me, I took to turning it off in order to allow wifi to take over.
[20:17] <davmor2> ogra_: settings,cellular, 3g or faster to off and then back on again
[20:19] <freka> Hello, trying to install touch-coreapps, but it deosnt work.  getting same problem a in this http://askubuntu.com/questions/340287/unable-to-install-touch-coreapps-on-ubuntu-12-10
[20:19] <ogra_> davmor2, both phones have no SIm in them atm here
[20:20] <davmor2> ogra_: ouch
[20:21] <davmor2> freka: 12.10 or 13.10?  Touch apps are designed for 13.10 not 12.10
[20:22] <wellsb> How can I restart a scope so I don't have to reboot everytime I install a new app?
[20:22] <ogra_> wellsb, you could try to run: sudo restart unity8
[20:23] <ogra_> wellsb, in the terminal app
[20:23] <davmor2> kgunn: do you know if there is a way to take a screenshot on mir on a device?  Screencap doesn't seem to work, so I'm assuming it depends on surface flinger?
[20:25] <mhall119> ogra_: sergiusens: either of you know if there's a bug files already for the hardare volume buttons not working?
[20:26] <mhall119> I seem to recall there being discussion about that already
[20:26] <ogra_> mhall119, i think diwic is on it already ...
[20:27] <ogra_> (and he says yes, there is also a bug for it )
[20:27] <mhall119> can you ask him what the bug # is?
[20:27] <ogra_> he is looking it up
[20:27] <ogra_> seems we'll have to wait for Mir to land first though
[20:28] <ogra_> mhall119, bug 1219057
[20:28] <ubot5`> bug 1219057 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "volume up/down key is not working anymore with the new indicator-sound" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1219057
[20:28] <mhall119> thanks
[20:32] <cjohnston> davmor2: if you decided to file a bug on mir could you please subscribe me
[20:33] <davmor2> cjohnston: I'm just trying the new build
[20:33] <cjohnston> ack
[20:33] <cjohnston> davmor2: I haven't seen a new one yet
[20:34] <davmor2> meh maybe there isn't one then I blame ogra_
[20:35]  * ogra_ isnt guilty ... its all asacs fault 
[20:35] <neokore> Hi all again, I got another question. How could I run an app directly from QtCreator to device, by now I get "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[20:35] <neokore> " but both are connected to Internet
[20:35] <davmor2> ogra_: that's your cop out for everything ;)
[20:35] <ogra_> he asked me to turn off auto-builds since he wanted to build at least three manual ones :)
[20:35] <ogra_> (which kind of didnt happen)
[20:36] <cjohnston> hehe
[20:36] <ogra_> thanks for the reminder though ...
[20:36] <davmor2> ogra_: crap  just updated to .3 is it horribly broken
[20:36]  * ogra_ switches the cronjob back on so we have builds on the weekend
[20:36] <cjohnston> neokore: did you see the emails on ssh earlier today?
[20:36] <ogra_> davmor2, 46 ?
[20:37] <neokore> cjohnston: nope, sorry I'll take a look
[20:37] <davmor2> 13.3 let me track down the build number
[20:37] <ogra_> system-image-cli -i
[20:37] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah it's still flashing though :D
[20:37] <ogra_> huh ?
[20:38] <ogra_> how can it be horridly broken then
[20:38] <davmor2> ogra_: 46 it is
[20:38] <davmor2> ogra_: no I asked is it horribly broken
[20:38] <ogra_> oh
[20:38]  * ogra_ read "it is" instead of "is it"
[20:39] <ogra_> not more broken than the former ones
[20:39] <davmor2> ogra_: that's fine then :)
[20:39] <ogra_> Mir is crashy if you enable it ... but thats not on by default
[20:39] <davmor2> ogra_: but I enjoy breaking mir
[20:39] <ogra_> heh, and it enjoys breaking on you
[20:39] <davmor2> testing I meant testing mir honest gov'nor
[20:40] <davmor2> ogra_: don't sneak up on it and shout boo it doesn't like that :D
[20:40] <ogra_> hehe
[20:43] <neokore> cjohnston: I just only need to delete /etc/init/ssh.override Thank you!
[20:51] <davmor2> cjohnston: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1225190 consider yourself subscribed
[20:51] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1225190 in unity-mir "Mir needs a powerd plugin" [Undecided,New]
[20:52] <cjohnston> ta
[21:38] <abimanyu> hi i am porting ubuntu current daily build for my device i have few questions
[21:39] <abimanyu> devices part install all files to /system and ubuntu images install to /data and initramfs boot into /data how the files are loaded if they are in sepera partations
[21:45] <popey> abimanyu: heya, as it's a bit late on friday night and some people are travelling there's not many people about. Maybe ask on the phone mailing list or pop back during the EU/US working day here?
[21:47] <abimanyu> popey: it's 3:15AM here
[21:47] <abimanyu> just some hints are enough
[21:48] <popey> hah
[21:58] <didrocks> ogra_: drinking? we need to build an image
[22:04] <viraaa> hello
[22:05] <viraaa> can you help me??
[22:07] <genii> !details | viraaa
[22:07] <ubot5`> viraaa: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[22:08] <cwayne> it seems the 'hangup' button in the dialer-app doesn't work
[22:08] <cwayne> that made hanging up on someone very awkward while i held the power button for 15 seconds to poweroff the phone
[22:09] <cwayne> ssweeny, what if you do the daily instead of daily-proposed?
[22:33] <cwayne> mhall119, hey, did you ever get an update on the Qt.openUrlExternally thing?
[22:49] <daker> hey mhall119 or popey can someone please test my click package please http://ubuntuone.com/2cYdasVCA1VVUkNdHLNAYz ?
[22:50] <ogra_> popey, is there a click package for the beru reader ?
[22:50] <cwayne> daker, i can give it a shot
[22:50] <daker> cwayne: thanks :)
[22:51] <cwayne> daker, anything in particular you want me to look out for?
[22:52] <daker> cwayne:  just see if the app runs, select a radio and see if the stream is playing
[22:53] <cwayne> daker, sure thing
[22:54] <popey> ogra_: http://rschroll.github.io/beru/assets/com.ubuntu.developer.rschroll.beru_0.1.2_arm.click
[22:54] <popey> daker: sure
[22:54] <ogra_> oh
[22:54] <popey> he's submitting to the store too
[22:55] <ogra_> i found the github url searching for it ... didnt really expect a click to be in the tree
[22:55] <popey> heh
[22:56] <cwayne> daker, hm, the click seems to be missing a .desktop
[22:57] <daker> cwayne: i see, can you run it without a .desktop ?
[22:59] <cwayne> qmlscene: could not find a Qt installation of ''
[23:01] <daker> cwayne: the exec file is ./radio
[23:01] <popey> there's no apparmour profile either
[23:02] <daker> popey: i'll add that, just want to make sure that the compiled app works first
[23:03] <cwayne> core dumped
[23:03] <popey> daker: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-000305.png
[23:03] <daker> popey: oh you are the man!
[23:03] <popey> daker: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6103746/
[23:04] <daker> popey: perfect, are you able to play a stream?
[23:05] <popey> not yet, got a problem with my phone, rebooting
[23:05] <daker> ok tyt
[23:07] <daker> popey: is the button and the player getting out of the screen ?
[23:07] <popey> yes
[23:08] <popey> i see what you see in that shot
[23:08] <daker> :( ok
[23:09] <popey> can test some more over the weekend.
[23:09] <popey> but now, sleep
[23:10] <daker> popey: ok g'night
[23:11] <cwayne> sorry daker, not sure why it's not working on mine :(
[23:11] <daker> cwayne: no problems :)
[23:11] <daker> at least i know how compile it now
[23:13] <cwayne> oh, did you do it in the pbuilder?
[23:15] <daker> cwayne: no i use chroot environment
[23:15] <cwayne> daker, ah, that's very similar, either way good job :)
[23:16] <daker> :)
[23:17] <mhall119> daker: installing now
[23:32] <mhall119> daker: it seems to install okay, but I get no .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/
[23:33] <daker> mhall119: ok, it does run ?
[23:34] <mhall119> daker: no, running /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad.io/current/radio from adb shell and it segfaults
[23:35] <cwayne> mhall119, i saw the same, but popey was able to get it to run somehow
[23:35] <daker> mhall119: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-14-000305.png
[23:35] <mhall119> popey has black magic
[23:35] <daker> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6103746/
[23:36] <mhall119> either that or popey has a different build of Ubuntu Touch than I do
[23:36] <mhall119> I get QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display
[23:36] <mhall119> Aborted (core dumped)
[23:37] <daker> mhall119: ok thanks!
[23:37]  * cwayne ran with the latest daily-proposed