[08:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:15] <nigelb> Morning brobostigon
[08:15] <brobostigon> morning nigelb
[08:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday the 13th and happy Programmers' Day! :-D
[08:18] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[08:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:26] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[08:26] <bigcalm> Howdy
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning MrFukinMoo
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[08:57] <brobostigon> sorry, tab fail
[08:58] <popey> MrFukinMoo: you might want to rethink that irc nickname
[09:13] <brobostigon> any sugegstions for an android twitter app, which will update and check even automatically, even with android's auto-sync off.?
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: uh.. that's the point of turning auto-sync off: so it doesn't do that
[09:14]  * MartijnVdS likes the default twitter app
[09:16] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i want to be able to turn auto-sync off, and then say to it, ok, check every hour or so. and keep control.
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: what's wrong with auto-sync though?
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: All of android works like that: auto-sync off -> no (or a lot less) background data
[09:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i may not want everything to auto-sync, battery life for example.
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: The screen is the biggest battery user, not the radio.
[09:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i agree.
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> also, keep it connected as often as possible (I charge at home AND at work ;)
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> I never get it <70%
[09:18] <brobostigon> i try and do that also, but soemtimes circumstances make that difficult.
[09:19] <brobostigon> i will try the standard twitter app.
[09:20] <mungbean> is 08438320100 a real number?
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> That's numberwang!
[09:21] <mungbean> bah. what good is reporting numbers anyway
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have one of these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Duracell-Mobile-Phone-Portable-Charger/dp/B005EF2TG4
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: for emergencies, mostly
[09:22] <mungbean> some numbers stay open annoying people for years
[09:22] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i recognise tht, i think you have mntioned it before.
[09:23] <mungbean> any cyanogen users know how to add their own personal emergency calls number?
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: what, it doesn't recognise 0118 999 881 999 119 725 ... 3 by default?
[09:27] <mungbean> :P
[09:27] <popey> http://www.unknownphone.com/search.php?num=08438320100 looks like you're not alone mungbean
[09:27] <mungbean> yeah popey its a pain because nothing ever appears to get done about them :(
[09:40] <Laney> how can an off peak return nottingham-heathrow be 100 quid?!?!
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> Laney: Privitization
[09:41] <mungbean> including flights ? :P
[09:41] <Laney> * massage and grape feeding included
[09:41] <Laney> ah
[09:42] <brobostigon> another good exmaple. my gf asked me a few weeks ago, if we fancied a weekend in edinburgh, i said fine, looked at train cost, £270 offpeak return for us both. ouch.
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: wow.. it's almost cheaper to fly
[09:43] <Laney> nice!
[09:43] <mungbean> so you took her for a nandos instead?
[09:43] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: exactly.
[09:43] <Laney> stayed at the travelodge by the m1 instead right?
[09:43] <mungbean> volume of spotify ads is LOUD
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Spotify has ads?!
[09:43] <mungbean> only every other song
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Ah wait.. I have "Premium"
[09:47] <mungbean> i use it to listen to songs which i invariably buy
[10:53] <bigcalm> I pay for Spotify so that I can use it on my phone
[10:53] <popey> \o/ Spotify
[10:53] <mgdm> o/
[10:53] <mgdm> I mean \o/
[10:53] <bigcalm> Because of that, I can also use it on my android tv dongle and listen to all musics though the hi-fi connected to the tv
[10:53] <mgdm> they added the new Arcade Fire track so I can stop listening to it on YouTube \o/
[10:54] <bigcalm> I should mutter something about using the mele f10 with the android tv stick
[10:54] <bigcalm> At some point I might
[10:55] <bigcalm> All good so far, though the air mouse takes some getting used to. Very much not like using a wiimote
[10:55] <mgdm> We have those air mouse things in the conference rooms here
[10:55] <mgdm> they're not that good
[10:56] <bigcalm> It's nice having a full keyboard in your hands though
[10:57] <bigcalm> Haven't been able to connect to skype yet, but that might be because I'm possibly not putting my password in correctly
[10:57] <bigcalm> I want to find out what the remote is like as a skype handset
[10:58] <mgdm> reminds me a bit of https://twitter.com/mgdm/status/255352132029513728/photo/1
[10:59] <bigcalm> HAha
[10:59] <bigcalm> Yeah, the mele f10 is much more remote sized
[11:05] <exutux> hi
[11:05] <exutux> hi
[11:05] <AlanBell> hi exutux
[11:05] <exutux> hi all ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101144/ this is my little script to get information from network printers getting pdf, it doesn't run on crontab but I don't know why... do you have some advice? thanks in advance
[11:05] <exutux> ehy AlanBell hi
[11:13] <AlanBell> exutux: are you getting errors from it?
[11:13] <AlanBell> I suspect the environment isn't right when running as a cron task
[11:13] <AlanBell> or the network operation cant resolve the address or lacks some kind of permission
[11:14] <exutux> uhm nope AlanBell any error
[11:14] <exutux> wait maybe I found problem
[11:15] <exutux> yeah
[11:15] <exutux> goal! :D
[11:16] <AlanBell> what was it exutux?
[11:18] <exutux> AlanBell: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7607117/pdf-not-generated-using-wkhtmltopdf-using-automated-linux-bash-shell-script
[11:20] <AlanBell> oh, so a lack of X for the webkit bit to do its thing
[11:48] <exutux> bye
[12:04]  * mungbean is making fun 8-bit things out of hama beads http://i.imgur.com/lDgzR6p.jpg
[12:06] <daftykins> haha :D
[12:06] <daftykins> i did something similar recently out of small mosaic tiles
[12:07] <mungbean> for my son of course
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> sure, "for your son" :P
[12:08] <daftykins> ^ :D
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> It's like "for a friend" :P
[12:13]  * AlanBell bumped in to bug 1222436 already filed by popey 
[12:13] <gordonjcp> http://media.desura.com/images/groups/1/3/2392/1-8BitCat.jpg
[12:14] <mungbean> looking for new inspiration
[12:14] <mungbean> maybe pac man
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: a pong paddle
[12:16] <DJones> Hmmh, are we missing lubotto
[12:17] <daftykins> "Your amazon order of GTA V has been dispatched" - :O
[12:18] <popey> [15682.569787] [drm:i915_set_reset_status] *ERROR* render ring hung inside bo (0xa951000 ctx 1) at 0xa951220
[12:18] <popey> STAB STAB STAB
[12:19] <popey> mungbean: looking for something to do? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nerdyoctopus.gamedots
[12:19] <popey> that game is fun
[12:19] <popey> very simple
[12:21] <mungbean> looks sweet
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: wut.. yours has?
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: mine is in the "Currently being dispatched"
[12:23] <daftykins> yes sir
[12:23] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: xbox or PS3?
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> Delivery #1: Dispatching now
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: ps3
[12:24] <mungbean> they going cheap?
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> got the text from my credit card company this morning (which always means they're starting dispatch)
[12:24] <mungbean> ah, gta5
[12:38] <popey> That does look like a very special game
[12:39] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rIJmGj4g-s ☻
[12:43] <mungbean> but if the mugs didn't buy them then no consoles would get off the ground :P
[12:44] <mungbean> how's the ouya?
[12:45] <popey> I installed netflix on it today ☻
[12:45] <popey> dead handy
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> \o/ netflix
[12:45] <dwatkins> I really hope we get a linux version of Netflix soon.
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: we will.. once Chrome has HTML5-DRM support
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it already works on Chromebook
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> (yes DRM is evil etc.)
[12:46] <popey> dwatkins: works in pipelight
[12:46] <mungbean> so any nadroid can run netflix
[12:46] <popey> yeah, i use it on android now and then
[12:46]  * dwatkins goes to research pipelight
[12:46] <popey> not often because the audio on android devices I have is terrible
[12:47] <mungbean> spotify made unity freeze :(
[12:47] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: i guess we won't be playing online then :(
[12:47] <popey> what version of spotify?
[12:47] <popey> is gta5 not cross platform gaming?
[12:48] <daftykins> it's not been announced for next gen or PC yet
[12:48] <daftykins> only PS3 and xbox360 are getting it for now
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> GTA Online won't be out for a few weeks either
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> (the online part of GTAv)
[12:49] <mungbean> popey: 0.9.1.55.gbdd3b79f
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> that's current
[12:49] <mungbean> alt-f1 pkill sporift resurrected unity
[12:51] <mungbean> i'm on 12.04 here
[12:56] <mungbean> http://petapixel.com/2013/09/12/marked-photographs-show-iconic-prints-edited-darkroom/
[13:04] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-Dual-Music-Phone-Unlocked/dp/B005W3HOMM
[13:04] <popey> so cheap
[13:05] <Azelphur> popey: on the smartphone side, I'm a real fan of this one at the moment http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/HUAWEI_Y300
[13:06] <Azelphur> brand new on pay as you go for £70, runs android 4.1 ootb, has a decent dual core 1ghz cpu, adreno 203, 5mp camera, microsd up to 32gb
[13:06] <Azelphur> really nice piece of kit that one :)
[13:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[13:07] <bashrc> Could ubuntu touch be installed on it?
[13:08] <Azelphur> bashrc: I doubt it, atm ubuntu touch only supports the nexus line of devices afaik
[13:08] <popey> if someone ports it, sure
[13:08] <popey> Azelphur: nope
[13:08] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[13:08] <Azelphur> well yea, if someone ports it, sure
[13:09] <Azelphur> popey: I was right then,I was almost right then, only nexus devices are officially supported, but lots of third party ports about
[13:09] <popey> nice device
[13:09] <Azelphur> that's a very impressive amount of third party ports actually, I'm surprised
[13:09] <popey> mostly thanks to xda types
[13:09] <Azelphur> :)
[13:10] <Azelphur> but yea, couple of my friends bought the Y300, and I got one for my mum, everybody reports it's good stuff.
[13:11] <Azelphur> bashrc: I notice the G300 is supported, the G300 is VERY similar hardware wise to the Y300
[13:11] <ali1234> lots of the ports broke with the container flip
[13:11] <ali1234> ie nearly everything on that list
[13:11] <Azelphur> I'm sure I've read that SOME G300 roms work on the Y300, so the build for the G300 MAY work
[13:11] <Azelphur> and if it doesn't, it's certainly not a huge jump to port it
[13:12] <bashrc> Would be nice to have an affordable UbuntuPhone
[13:12] <Azelphur> indeed it woul
[13:12] <Azelphur> d
[13:14] <Azelphur> bashrc: I'd be tempted to go ask on the G300 thread if it will work on the Y300
[13:15] <Myrtti> bashrc: it's called "Nexus 4" from "Google Play"
[13:15]  * MartijnVdS wants Nexus 5
[13:15] <Myrtti> I wonder if I should order the Nexus 4 for my sister before they announce Nexus 5
[13:15] <Azelphur> Myrtti: that's nowhere near £70 ;)
[13:15] <Azelphur> Myrtti: I wouldn't, you will probably be able to pick up a really good quality used nexus 4 a few days after the nexus 5 comes out
[13:16] <Myrtti> Azelphur: phones with hardware spec close to Nexus One from 2009 are close to 150€ retail over here...
[13:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:16] <Myrtti> so in that light £160 for a device that's straight from the package and has warranty left
[13:17] <Azelphur> I wouldn't get the 8GB, it's not really enough
[13:17] <Azelphur> 16 is squeeze enough
[13:17] <Azelphur> don't forget you have no expandable storage, no microsd, etc.
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> who needs that though
[13:17] <Myrtti> ... my sister still uses Nexus One. Vanilla, because I don't have a device to flash CM to test if it would work for her anymore
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> all I store on my phone are apps and podcasts
[13:18] <Myrtti> she doesn't even know what podcasts are
[13:18] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: no podcasts in that space
[13:18] <Azelphur> the OS uses like 3-4GB for starts
[13:18] <Azelphur> and then by the time you've installed a few apps, maybe one game, that's your 8GB gone
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I use 1G for podcasts
[13:18] <Myrtti> all she needs is a little bit of space for the apps and some music
[13:18] <Myrtti> but she can't even have any apps on her Nexus One as is
[13:18] <Azelphur> Myrtti: games on android are 1-2GB a pop
[13:18] <Myrtti> because it's run out of space
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: are/can be
[13:18] <Azelphur> you can get away with 8 if you're doing the bare essentials, but apart from that, not enough
[13:18] <Myrtti> she hasn't even updated Facebook for over a year
[13:19]  * Azelphur shrugs
[13:19] <Myrtti> since the updates don't fit on her phone
[13:19] <Myrtti> so *anything* would be better than what she's stuck at the moment
[13:19] <Myrtti> well, almost anything
[13:19] <Azelphur> true
[13:19] <Azelphur> Myrtti: I'd get the Y300 instead of the Nexus 4 in that arena then, tbh
[13:19] <Azelphur> it has MUCH more space available, and much less wasted CPU/GPU power that you can't use because you have no space
[13:19] <Myrtti> Azelphur: I can't recommend non-Nexuses for her
[13:20] <Azelphur> no?
[13:20] <Myrtti> because I've not used anything else myself
[13:20] <Azelphur> ah
[13:20] <Myrtti> and I can't help her with non-Nexuses
[13:20] <Azelphur> it's not that much different, honestly, you can even flash it with AOSP
[13:20] <Azelphur> and then it pretty much is a nexus.
[13:20] <Myrtti> I'd give her my old Galaxy Nexus, but I need a spare phone for my travels
[13:20] <Azelphur> although I haven't tried AOSPing one yet, might do my friends soon
[13:21] <Azelphur> but yea, the hardware inside a nexus is gaming orientated, it makes no sense to buy it if you have no space to install games, honestly
[13:21] <Azelphur> you'd be just as fine on the Y300 with a decent dual core, and then you have a microSD card slot so can add a 64GB microSD and cram it with music, movies, etc.
[13:21] <Myrtti> my sister would be happy to just have Angry Birds and the bloody Candy game.
[13:21] <Myrtti> :-D
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> ooh there's a bloody version now? 8-)
[13:22] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[13:22] <Azelphur> Y300 would certainly run those, too
[13:23] <Azelphur> for a budget phone, it actually has quite a bit of grunt, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axl3oF2ZmF4&t=8m50s
[13:23] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: http://memegenerator.net/instance/35081118
[13:23] <Myrtti> etc
[13:24] <Myrtti> Azelphur: is that the pink phone
[13:24] <Azelphur> Myrtti: no, it's the Y300
[13:24] <Myrtti> mm
[13:24] <Azelphur> Myrtti: aka the £70 one.
[13:25] <Azelphur> http://i0.wp.com/gadgetizor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Huawei-Ascend-G520-phone-pictures.jpg
[13:25] <bigcalm> Anybody here use gitlab or trac with an external smtp server?
[13:27] <Azelphur> Myrtti: and then you just flash it with http://www.modaco.com/topic/363879-rom-b194-fusionx-b04-huawei-y300-jb-41-080913/ and tada, "nexus" :P
[13:36] <mungbean> minecraft and hama beads seem to be made for each other http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/2240611/my/
[13:44] <brobostigon> is it possible to replace android's standard dialer prog? curious really, not thought about it, nor seen one on the market.
[13:45] <daftykins> of course
[13:45] <daftykins> i've never looked but everythings modular
[13:45] <brobostigon> yes, certainly is modular.
[13:46]  * daftykins doesn't know what Candy Crush is
[13:47] <brobostigon> it is a popularist pointless game, that resembles tetris.
[13:48] <daftykins> 512MB RAM on that Huawei Y300? ouch you don't want to run android 4.0+ on that if your sanity is important D:
[14:07] <funkyHat> daftykins: I got android 4 running on a G1, so it can't be that bad ;D
[14:08] <daftykins> ugh that must've been nasty
[14:14] <Myrtti> brobostigon, daftykins: bejeweled blitz
[14:14] <brobostigon> Myrtti: ummm,?
[14:14] <Myrtti> not tetris, bejeweled
[14:15] <Myrtti> gweled, kdiamond, whatever
[14:15] <brobostigon> ah, ok, sorry, i havent actually played it, only seen pictures.
[14:15] <DJones> Argh, IT support via pidgin with a 75 year old parent isn't simple, but finally successful
[14:16] <daftykins> D:
[14:16] <daftykins> how did you land that one?
[14:16] <DJones> It was either that or have to go visiting on my way home from work
[14:17] <DJones> He changed broadband suppliers & was installation of a new router
[14:18] <DJones> However after last time he problems with his router, he disconnected every cable in sight and ended up plugging the desktop mouse into the router rather than the computer afterwards and wondered why the mouse didn't work
[14:19] <brobostigon> lol.
[14:21] <daftykins> D:
[14:22] <daftykins> "but i'm mousing on the internets!?"
[14:23] <brobostigon> more lol'z
[15:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: which twitter android version do you have?
[17:21] <diddledan> joy: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/security-of-java-takes-a-dangerous-turn-for-the-worse-experts-say/#!
[17:21] <diddledan> and twttr are going public with an IPO
[17:23] <diddledan> reallY? the analysts think twitter is going to be worth $10billion once public?
[17:23] <diddledan> hype. pure hype
[17:24] <diddledan> look what happened to facebook the days after their initial offering - they went up fast and came down hard once people realised facebook is essentially worthless