[08:18] <davidcalle> sil2100, ping
[08:47] <davidcalle> fginther, ping
[08:51] <mzanetti> larsu: hi... Just wanted to answer the mail thread on "Standard icons" and realized that we can't load icons from ubuntu-mobile-icons without giving the absolute path to the image file
[08:51] <mzanetti> larsu: am I missing something?
[08:52] <larsu> mzanetti: yes, you can use image://theme
[08:52] <larsu> image://theme/<iconname>,<fallback1>,<fallback2>
[08:53] <mzanetti> larsu: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/reload
[08:53] <larsu> mzanetti: the provider is in ubuntu-ui-toolkit, is that imported?
[08:53] <mzanetti> larsu: same with "reload.svg", "actions/reload[.svg]" or "actions/scalable/reload[.svg]"
[08:53] <mzanetti> larsu: yes... units.gu() works fine
[08:54] <larsu> mzanetti: you definitely don't need to prepend "actions/". Do any of the png icons work? (for example, "music")
[08:55] <mzanetti> larsu: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/music
[08:56] <larsu> mzanetti: same problem here. I'll look into it
[08:59] <larsu> mzanetti: wait, is this the theme-isnt-set problem again? Are you trying this from within unity8?
[09:00] <mzanetti> larsu: no... I'm using a mini qml example. but I've set my system to use ubuntu-mobile icons everywhere
[09:00] <larsu> mzanetti: ya, qt doesn't read that
[09:00] <larsu> mzanetti: you have to set it manually (or fix qt...)
[09:01] <mzanetti> larsu: dammit... good catch... somehow the last upgrade seems to have reset my system to oxygen icons
[09:01] <mzanetti> larsu: I've set it back to ubuntu-mobile and it works now
[09:01] <mzanetti> larsu: seems Qt picks that up just fine here
[09:02] <larsu> mzanetti: where are you running this on?
[09:02] <mzanetti> larsu: but I set that in KDE systemsettings. So that might set it in a different, more Qt-friendly way than the gnome systemsettings
[09:02] <mzanetti> larsu: ubuntu saucy with KDE running
[09:02] <larsu> mzanetti: right, that might be. It doesn't work in unity
[09:08] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, got a moment to pick up where we left off last night? I've tried to pin point the scrolling issue to no avail.
[09:09] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: right
[09:09] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, so what I can say is it appears to have nothing to do with the behaviours.
[09:09] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: hmm... need to check then...
[09:13] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: do you have a package for the SDK with your changes?
[09:14] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: just copying the OptionSelector files makes unity crash at startup here and building a packages fails because tests in the SDK are failing
[09:16] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, if you branch lp:~nicolas-doffay/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/multi-selectors
[09:16] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: yeah, did that
[09:16] <nic-doffay> you can . export_modules_dir.sh in root to set the env var and use the branch
[09:17] <mzanetti> interesting
[09:18]  * mzanetti wonders how he could have missed that so far... seems extremely useful when doing something in the sdk
[09:18] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: still, it segfaults here :/
[09:21] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, did you upgrade today or anything?
[09:21] <nic-doffay> It's working for me.
[09:23] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: hmm... I merged your branch with trunk and it works again
[09:26] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: so what exactly is the issue you're trying to solve?
[09:30] <sil2100> davidcalle: pong!
[09:30] <sil2100> davidcalle: what's up?
[09:31] <davidcalle> sil2100, by any chance, do you have a minute for https://code.launchpad.net/~davidc3/cupstream2distro-config/tmdb-scope/+merge/185433 ?
[09:32] <sil2100> davidcalle: let me take a look :)
[09:32] <davidcalle> sil2100, thanks :)
[09:35] <sil2100> davidcalle: looking good, we'll have to poke Francis later on to set up mergers for that
[09:35] <davidcalle> sil2100, thanks :)
[09:35] <sil2100> Approved - np ;)
[09:36] <mzanetti> larsu: another question, as you seem to know about the volume control stuff. Is there any way to access the volume keys in an app?
[09:38] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, line 457 of PageHeader.qml in the filters branch.
[09:38] <nic-doffay> The call isn't working.
[09:38] <nic-doffay> It's supposed to scroll the ScrollView to the beginning of the index selected.
[09:38] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: I'm asking what the issue is you're trying to solve... I know that this line isn't working, but I also think this is the wrong approach to fix the issue
[09:39] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, the issue is nothing visibly happens when that line is called.
[09:39] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: first of all, I think this is a bug in the OptionSelector and should be fixed in the SDK, not workarounded wverywhere where you use the OptionSelector
[09:39] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, it has nothing to do with the OptionSelector.
[09:40] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: then tell me how to see the issue
[09:41] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, https://pastebin.canonical.com/97471/
[09:41] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, line 94.
[09:41] <mzanetti> where should I click in the UI to see what is broken?
[09:41] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ah.
[09:41] <larsu> mzanetti: I don't know much about how the volume keys are accessed. Unity8 uses Keys.onVolume{Up,Down}Pressed, but I don't know if any app can access those
[09:41] <mzanetti> I don't know what you are trying to achieve with this
[09:41] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, on any of the selectors.
[09:42] <nic-doffay> When they are expanded that line is called.
[09:42] <nic-doffay> "selectors" is the ListView which should scroll to the beginning of the OptionSelector clicked.
[09:50] <Saviq> nic-doffay, just so it's clear "to the beginning" of it is incorrect
[09:51] <Saviq> nic-doffay, it's supposed to scroll *as little as possible* to show *as much as possible*
[09:51] <Saviq> so, if the last visible OS has only 2 items, it should only scroll enough to show the two items
[09:52] <Saviq> and, the OSs should never expand beyond their container
[09:52] <nic-doffay> Saviq, so contentY would have to be manipulated directly then?
[09:52] <Saviq> i.e. if there's 10 items in an OS, but there's only space for 5 items in the container, it should only expand to 5 items' height and scroll inside
[09:52] <Saviq> nic-doffay, not necessarily, there's positionViewAtIndex
[09:53] <Saviq> nic-doffay, which you can use to position the OS in question at the end of the container
[09:53] <nic-doffay> Saviq, that's what I'm currently using and where I'm encountering the issue.
[09:53] <Saviq> nic-doffay, dunno, it might be that direct contentY will be required (especially if you animate both at the same time)
[09:55] <nic-doffay> Saviq, any idea why a child's animation would interfere out of interest?
[09:56] <Saviq> nic-doffay, because if ListView tries to position at an index, it queries for its size
[09:56] <Saviq> nic-doffay, but if the item is animated, the size is somewhere between the initial and final value
[09:56] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you'd have to wait for the size animation to complete and position then
[09:57] <nic-doffay> Saviq, yeah that's what I was thinking, but it might look bad?
[09:57] <Saviq> but that's bad UX - so you need to "predict" the end size of the item and position the ListView accordingly
[09:58] <Saviq> which, btw, is something we're missing in QML, IMO - a way to query the target value of an animated property (other than talking to the animation itself)
[10:00] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: so... the reason why it doesn't work is because at the time you call this, the optionselector is not expanded yet so no scrolling needed, because its visible already
[10:01] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: I've delayed it for when the expansion is finished now and it works.
[10:01] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: however, it jumps instead of scrolling as positionViewAtIndex doesn't scroll
[10:01] <mzanetti> just positions :)
[10:04] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ah I see.
[10:04] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, it appears to jump in the scope behaviour too...
[10:04] <nic-doffay> when you select one of the tabs.
[10:04] <nic-doffay> Saviq, in your opinion should it jump?
[10:04] <Saviq> nic-doffay, of course not, it should scroll
[10:04] <mzanetti> the answer will be no
[10:05] <Saviq> nic-doffay, and the scopes don't jump either - they animate
[10:07] <nic-doffay> Thanks for the assist guys. Guess I'll be manipulating the contentY then.
[10:12] <mhr3_> saviq, we still have issues with the header not appearing for some of the scopes, any ideas what might cause that?
[10:12] <mhr3_> i did a bit of debugging and the scopes model was properly populated
[10:12] <Saviq> mhr3_, because the scopes are still not installed, I'd say?
[10:12] <mhr3_> nope
[10:12] <mhr3_> they're there, just don't have any results
[10:13] <mhr3_> saviq, it can actually happen on the desktop as well... i was able to rep it about 1:40 times
[10:13] <Saviq> mhr3_, so a race of some kind?
[10:13] <mhr3_> indeed
[10:13] <mhr3_> i just have no idea what's the racy thing
[10:13] <Saviq> mhr3_, and I assume libunity-tool correctly shows you the results for those scopes?
[10:14] <mhr3_> yep
[10:14] <mhr3_> saviq, and the odd thing also is that home and apps always work, the rest doesn't
[10:15] <Saviq> mhr3_, yeah, not sure what could cause that - maybe something is updated but Changed signal isn't sent, or even something is assigned and not bound
[10:15] <Saviq> in QML
[10:15] <Saviq> mhr3_, but I can't help today unfortunately, at a conference and trying to keep my devices ~workable ;)
[10:15] <mhr3_> saviq, no worries, just trying to suck in some knowledge :)
[11:11] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, this issue was a good thing I'd say, I've added some more signals to the SDK component, it seems pretty pertinent that we can know when the expansion/collapse has completed.
[11:11] <nic-doffay> not just when it begins.
[11:11] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: hmm... not eniterly sure if adding signals is the right thing to do
[11:13] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, what method did you use?
[11:14] <nic-doffay> I just fired off signals in a ScriptAction.
[11:25] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: yeah... I'm thinking about polluting the API
[11:28] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: where do you set the expanded height?
[11:28] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: is that hardcoded inside the OptionSelector?
[11:28] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: or do you set that from the PageHeader?
[11:31] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, the OptionSelector handles that.
[11:31] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: so hardcoded inside... hmmm
[11:31] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: dunno... ask the SDK guys on their opinion on that
[11:31] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, the other option would be to expose two readonly aliases which link to the individual tab height and the total contentHeight.
[11:31] <mzanetti> I just think adding some random signals is a bad idea
[11:31] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: yeah... I somehow prefer that one
[11:58]  * greyback has to move to office, back in 40
[13:10] <kgunn> greyback: any difference this morning ? i was about to try...
[13:11] <greyback> kgunn: I pulled the pending cdimage-touch image this morning and no good. But then I dist-upgraded it, and bam, working!
[13:12] <kgunn> greyback: freakin' weird...so did you think that would work? or just stumble into that :)
[13:12] <greyback> I'm a bit confused why I didn't get the updated image straight away
[13:12] <greyback> I'm downloading manuall from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/pending/
[13:12] <greyback> as its manifest claims to have the latest and gratest
[13:14] <kgunn> greyback: do you see "bad flicker" ?
[13:14] <greyback> kgunn: nope, none at all
[13:14] <kgunn> woop woop
[13:14] <greyback> seems to be a nexus4 only issue
[13:14] <greyback> as I've GNexus
[13:14] <kgunn> oh yeah... :-/
[13:14] <greyback> sorry!
[13:14] <kgunn> checking now
[13:23] <kgunn> greyback: so i normally set wifi password from ui...so now need to port fwd....i do adb forward tcp:8888 tcp:22
[13:23] <kgunn> ssh phablet@localhost -p 8888
[13:24] <kgunn> at the console...but it says ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[13:24] <greyback> kgunn: use "phablet-network"
[13:24] <greyback> it'll grab your PC's active wifi connection config and push it to the phone
[13:25] <kgunn> hmmm...do i have to be on wifi greyback ? i'm on ethernet cable...it says Network connection file "No active wifi network connection, exiting" cannot be read
[13:25] <kgunn> lemme pull cable
[13:27] <greyback> kgunn: aha, yeah then that tool not so handy. Could use the -n switch to pass /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/<WIFI POINT>
[13:33] <paulliu> mzanetti: Sorry for bothering you during the stand-up. But I just pushed for review https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/movie-preview/+merge/181856
[13:34] <mzanetti> paulliu: ack. I'll review it after the standup
[13:34] <mzanetti> paulliu: as you're back in our team, feel free to join the standup :)
[13:35] <mhr3> mzanetti, do you know anything about url-dispatcher?
[13:35] <mzanetti> mhr3: I know that id doesn't work in our platform
[13:35] <mzanetti> mhr3: otherwise... not much
[13:35] <mhr3> cause it looks like it works now, launches stuff, but shell doesn't realize a new app is running
[13:36] <mzanetti> mhr3: interesting... no I don't know anything about it
[13:36] <mhr3> but if you kill the shell, the app appears beneath
[13:36] <mhr3> mzanetti, who would?
[13:36] <mzanetti> mhr3: I guess tedg
[13:36] <tedg> mhr3, Mir or Surface Flinger
[13:37] <mhr3> tedg, surfaceflinger
[13:37] <tedg> mhr3, Wait for Mir :-)
[13:37] <mhr3> i see :)
[13:38] <mzanetti> mhr3: do you have a clue why the suggested apps aren't showing up half of the time?
[13:39] <mhr3> mzanetti, cause you need internet when it tries to do the query, and it does it too early, wifi might not be up
[13:39] <mhr3> mzanetti, but if you search afterwards it should be fine
[13:39] <mzanetti> ah ok...
[13:41] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, poing
[13:42] <greyback> mhr3: I'm the person who can help. You are using the urlDispatcher to launch an application, yes? Is that being used on images right now?
[13:44] <Cimi> I don't have opens installed
[13:44] <Cimi> openssh
[13:44] <Cimi> also, I cannot use dpkg
[13:44] <Cimi> W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[13:44] <Cimi> E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
[13:44] <Cimi> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[13:44] <Cimi> on the phone...
[13:45] <greyback> Cimi: that happens sometimes if the auto xapt updater is running
[13:46] <Cimi> greyback, nope
[13:46] <Cimi> greyback, it's not running...
[13:47] <greyback> Cimi: give me context. You have "adb shell" into the phone?
[13:47] <Cimi> greyback, y
[13:48] <greyback> Cimi: ok, so you're running as root
[13:48] <Cimi> greyback, yes
[13:49] <greyback> Cimi: and you're doing "apt-get update && apt-get install openssh-server"
[13:49] <Cimi> greyback, it's read only file system
[13:50] <greyback> Cimi: try rebooting. If that doesn't work, reflash with the "-b" switch
[13:52] <kgunn> greyback: so...got it running...even shot a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaPKxLh9_So
[13:52] <kgunn> it looks good...just small inconsistent visual artifact
[13:54] <greyback> kgunn: nice! The perf is so much better than on my GNexus. But I don't have those visual artifacts either
[13:58] <didrocks> kgunn: hey, I think you follow all those stories about the subscription list
[13:59] <didrocks> so if you want Mir in with the transition, you will have to subscribe now
[13:59] <kgunn> didrocks: do you mean to say i need to specificaly list mir in the "ask" list ?
[14:00]  * kgunn would've thot there was some grandfather rule here....
[14:00] <kgunn> or do you mean something else?
[14:01] <kgunn> greyback: so what are our package names we need in w updates ?
[14:02] <didrocks> kgunn: not me making the process ;)
[14:02] <kgunn> didrocks: sure...we're inventing on the fly...
[14:02] <didrocks> kgunn: but yeah, everytime you want to land Mir, apparently, you have to prepare, justify why and get queued
[14:04] <Cimi> greyback, -b doesn't work with ubuntu-system...
[14:05] <kgunn> Cimi: i saw someone else in community complaining about the same thing on #ubuntun-touch
[14:06] <Cimi> kgunn, you have backlog?
[14:06] <greyback> Cimi: oh you're using ubuntu-system. There's a mail on ubuntu-phone ML with how to turn on write for the filesystem
[14:07] <mzanetti> paulliu: added some comments
[14:10] <Cimi> greyback, can you search for the message? I realised I was not subscribed to it
[14:10] <paulliu> mzanetti: ok
[14:11] <Cimi> greyback, grep "write" on subjects returns '
[14:11] <Cimi> nothing
[14:11] <greyback> Cimi: https://www.stgraber.org/2013/09/05/ubuntu-touch-system-images-now-default/
[14:11] <greyback> is blog post with the same content as the mail
[14:11] <Cimi> greqth
[14:11] <Cimi> greyback, thx
[14:14] <kgunn> didrocks: ping (can this count as official ?)
[14:14] <kgunn> didrocks: we've updated the xls with the "ask"
[14:14] <kgunn> didrocks: do you need specific versions ?
[14:24] <mzanetti> greyback, Cimi: I tried that...  doesn't work for our purpose. You need to flash cdimage-touch
[14:25] <mzanetti> Cimi: also, after flashing you need to do an adb shell and rm /etc/init/ssh.override
[14:27] <ssweeny> mhr3, ping
[14:29] <mzanetti> Cimi: greyback: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-run_on_device-s/+merge/185509
[14:29] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, when you have a moment could you pull on both branches and have a look at the new changes? The icon's been sorted and I think the scrolling looks good, just would like a second opinion.
[14:29] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ack
[14:30] <greyback> mzanetti: ah they added an override
[14:30] <greyback> good find
[14:31] <didrocks> kgunn: you need to tell what's the risk, how many packages are impacted, what's going in the comments I guess
[14:31] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: the icon is too small
[14:31] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: the scrolling seems good now
[14:32] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: would be nicer if it would scroll together with the expanding :) You think thats doable?
[14:32] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: 'cause right now it expands into the invisible area and then scrolls up. which is better than before... but still not quite "perfect"
[14:34] <mhr3> greyback, nope, it's launching a http uri
[14:34] <mhr3> ssweeny, pong
[14:34] <greyback> mhr3: if you give me steps to repro, I can look into it. A bug with qtubuntu would be best
[14:35] <ssweeny> mhr3, hey, i'm getting an error with my scope i haven't seen before: scope-loader.vala:59: Could not find 'get_version' symbol in /custom/lib/customscope
[14:35] <ssweeny> mhr3, there's no get_version function in the scope template
[14:36] <mhr3> greyback, if you have latest everything, just going to video lens, previewing something and tapping play triggers it
[14:36] <mzanetti> greyback: hmm... do we actually need to "ask" if we're allowed to commit this?
[14:36] <mzanetti> kgunn: ^^ https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-run_on_device-s/+merge/185509
[14:36] <mhr3> ssweeny, yea, the template is outdated :/
[14:37] <mhr3> pstolowski, did you push your music scope somewhere already? would be useful so that ssweeny can take a look at the scope initialization
[14:39] <pstolowski> ssweeny, mhr3 : lp:~stolowski/+junk/unity-scope-onlinemusic
[14:39] <ssweeny> pstolowski, mhr3 thanks, i'll take a look :)
[14:40] <mhr3> ssweeny, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stolowski/+junk/unity-scope-onlinemusic/view/head:/src/OnlineMusicScope.cpp#L34
[14:40] <ssweeny> mhr3, great
[14:42] <mhr3> dpm, we'd need to update the tutorial ^^ :)
[14:43] <pstolowski> ssweeny: yw
[14:44] <dpm> mhr3, next week we'll be updating a bunch of content on d.u.c. I think you already have a branch with changes. If you could update it and ping me, I'll make sure on Monday I update it
[14:45] <dpm> I mean I'll update the tutorial
[14:45] <mhr3> dpm, i had a branch?
[14:46] <mhr3> yey me! :)
[14:46] <dpm> mhr3, yeah, I think I saw one at some point
[14:47] <dpm> mhr3, yeah, there it is -> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-tutorials
[14:47] <dpm> :)
[14:49] <mhr3> i love when i forget about doing something and then discover it :)
[14:49] <mhr3> ssweeny, this can help too > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhr3/ubuntu-sdk-tutorials/scope-module/revision/51
[14:49] <ssweeny> mhr3, awesome :)
[15:00] <didrocks> dednick: hey there
[15:00] <didrocks> dednick: so, I think you are already aware for bug #1225017
[15:00] <ubot5`> bug 1225017 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "Messaging indicator missing from indicator bar" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1225017
[15:01] <Cimi> which package is unity-shell-launcher?
[15:01] <didrocks> dednick: as the indicators didn't change at all since latest image and we checked that it was effectively working, we think that the issue comes from unity8
[15:01] <dednick> didrocks: hm. nope. havent seen that
[15:02] <didrocks> I saw a commit from you that seems to be likely linked to this
[15:02] <didrocks> does it make sense?
[15:02] <dednick> didrocks: yeah, i'll take a look now
[15:02] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:03] <dednick> now only if i could get some signal to send myself a message!
[15:06] <veebers> mzanetti: hey, could you get you to cast your eye over this MP please: https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/unity8/adding-app-lifecycle-tests/+merge/185514
[15:07] <veebers> it's related to the questions I was asking you yesterday :-)
[15:23] <mhr3> anyone knows what this is
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[15:30] <tedg> greyback, Hey, so I followed the instructions to enable Mir on my phone.  Now everything is slow, so I think that worked :-)  It doesn't seem like apps are being started with upstart-app-launch.  Is there something else I need to do there?
[15:31] <greyback> tedg: you're correct, haven't had change to use upstart for app launching. It's next big thing on my list, I've it >50% completed
[15:31] <greyback> s/change/chance/
[15:32] <greyback> tedg: is it blocking you by any chance?
[15:32] <tedg> greyback, No, more wanting to test and look at it to see if it looked sane.
[15:32] <tedg> greyback, I thought it was in with the Mir backend change.
[15:33] <greyback> tedg: unfortunately not. I tried, but too many other things were needed first
[15:34] <tedg> greyback, K, no issue.  Just wanted to get ahead of issues :-)
[15:34] <tedg> greyback, Are you using the Exec in the generated desktop file then?
[15:34] <greyback> tedg: yes
[15:34] <tedg> K, makes sense.
[15:37] <tedg> greyback, Cool, so ping me when it gets close.  Better to fix things before the barrage of IRC pings :-)
[15:37] <greyback> tedg: will do
[15:39] <mhr3> tedg, but we have green to have zg on the phone, is your push-event-on-app-launch branch official?
[15:39] <mhr3> s/but/btw/
[15:40] <tedg> mhr3, I think that's all merged, but it won't send events until using Upstart.
[15:41] <mhr3> tedg, right, just wanted to know if something will actually inform zg about the app launches
[15:41] <tedg> mhr3, I think if you use it today, it'll try to send them whether zg is there or not ;-)
[15:43] <tedg> mhr3, Are we going to use ZG for calls/messages too?  I really want my "favorites" to depend on location.  So mpt would be on the list when I'm in London.  :-)
[15:49] <mhr3> tedg, first we'd need the location extension :)
[15:49] <mhr3> but yes, would be awesome
[15:49] <tedg> mhr3, I thought there was one?  I used it for a while.
[15:49] <mhr3> i think it was never ported from python to vala
[15:50] <tedg> Ah, bummer.
[15:55] <mhr3> nonetheless, now that zg is on phone, maybe the core schema should contain location :)
[16:04] <tedg> mhr3, I would argue that it should have on desktop, it's one of the reasons I wrote and pushed for ubuntu-geoip :-)
[16:13] <Cimi> mzanetti, greyback I give up: cdimage-touch -b and I don't have adb
[16:13] <Cimi> ubuntu-system doesn't have unity-shell-launcher
[16:14] <mzanetti> Cimi: ?
[16:14] <Cimi> mzanetti, can't test run_on_Device
[16:14] <Cimi> mzanetti, no adb here
[16:14] <mzanetti> Cimi: no adb... I find that hard to believe
[16:14] <mzanetti> Cimi: what's the error?
[16:14] <greyback> Cimi: if you run "adb devices" what do you see?
[16:14] <Cimi> mzanetti, adb devices empty
[16:15] <Cimi> tried rebooting both ubuntu and phone
[16:15] <mzanetti> Cimi: but the phone boots up successfully?
[16:15] <Cimi> yes+
[16:15] <mzanetti> now that is strange
[16:15] <greyback> Cimi: check the cable?
[16:16] <greyback> Cimi: if you unplug and replug the usb cable into your machine, and run "dmesg | tail" do you see usb related events logged there?
[16:18] <greyback> Cimi: when I do that, this is what I see: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6102283/
[16:27]  * greyback needs to reboot
[17:59] <kdub> how is unity8 started in the mir image? :)
[18:10] <greyback> kdub: upstart manages it, so "start unity8"
[18:10] <greyback> kdub: so to stop it, do "stop unity8"
[18:10] <greyback> else if you kill it, it'll respawn
[18:11]  * greyback eow
[18:11] <kdub> greyback, i get 'stop: Unknown job: unity8"...
[18:11] <kdub> anyways, i'll figure it out, see you next week!
[18:11] <greyback> kdub: you running as user phablet?
[18:12] <kdub> yeah,  same thing
[18:12] <greyback> kdub: "initctl --list" <- what does that give you? Also are you logged in via adb, or using ssh?
[18:13] <kdub> adb
[18:16] <tedg> kdub, su - phablet
[18:16] <greyback> kdub: ^^
[18:16] <tedg> And it's /sbin/initctl list then
[18:16] <greyback> ssh is easier
[18:17] <tedg> I think that gets fixed with logind working...
[18:17] <kdub> ah there it is
[18:18] <kdub> yay, thanks tedg  and greyback