[05:18] cremora minora [05:32] mornings oom Kilos [05:32] morning nuvolari [05:32] hi snowy [05:45] Goeie more almal [05:46] môre bduk1 [06:07] goeie more oom Kilos [06:08] more inetpro [06:08] oh and a good morning to everyone else [06:08] hi mazal [06:12] 'lo [06:12] lo Squirm [06:13] Maaz: coffee on [06:13] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [06:13] Maaz: large [06:13] In a beer mug just for you Squirm [06:14] Maaz: larger [06:14] inna bucket for you Squirm [06:14] Maaz, coffee please [06:14] Kilos: Yessir [06:15] just for those bored people who can spare a little data [06:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE [06:17] Maaz, spanne [06:17] I will keep the coffee machine topped up Kilos so you can just help yourself. [06:17] Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos! [06:18] Maaz, danke [06:18] Bitteschön [06:18] Maaz: botsnack [06:18] Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp [06:19] Squirm, please dont forget the hosting thing [06:19] Kilos: it looks complicated for what you want to do [06:19] aw [06:20] will have another look though [06:20] and dont forget first LPI class tonight [06:20] starting with runlevels on the pink hat thing [06:20] oh red [06:30] ai! hit a hang [06:32] hmm [06:32] won't make the LPI class [06:32] braai + lan [06:32] and I know the runlevels [06:32] enjoy [06:44] Morning everyone [06:44] hi mazal [06:44] morning all *yawn* [06:45] ohi nlsthzn [06:45] alo uncle Kilos [07:20] morning peoples [07:32] morning ThatGraemeGuy [08:21] Morning ThatGraemeGuy [08:57] Have you guys seen that medibuntu is falling away. Wonder how we gonna get all medi stuff then ? [09:06] looks like everyone is saying most everything in there is no longer relevant except libdvdcss, which the vlc guys will provide [09:06] http://gauvain.pocentek.net/node/61 [09:18] You think we should go ahead and change to that repo now ? [09:32] I added this repo : http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html and it updated mine now [09:43] sudo add-apt-repo http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html [09:43] is that the command [09:48] just that one package? [10:45] good afternoon all [10:45] very disappointed with the current state of xmpp implementations [10:45] hi charl [10:46] installed prosody, configured my dns, couldn't connect with gnu freetalk and centerim gave a segmentation fault upon attempting to register a new user [10:46] ports were open and dns was configured [10:46] hi Kilos [10:46] apparently i need to speed up development of my new idea :) [10:47] either that or start writing my own xmpp client/server implementations [10:48] we need a good reliable, distributed instant messaging system [10:48] and most of all secure :) [10:48] do whatever is the easiest for you [10:48] we need to solve this problem for everyone Kilos not just for me... [10:48] ya but who else has the time [10:49] enough people to make this work, i think [10:49] maybe i should ask around on pirateirc if someone would be interested [10:49] a lot of pirates are into privacy and distributed systems [10:50] ask them lets hear [10:51] only one here that commented was the pro wasnt it [10:51] retroshare is a good idea but i'm just not so sure about the reliance on upnp/stun [10:51] za peeps dont have time [10:51] why you people all so busy down there, i thought africans were easy going :0 [10:51] :) [10:51] lol [10:52] the IT peeps here never have time [10:52] but that's true there doesn't seem to be many projects that get off the ground in africa [10:52] hi superfly [10:53] it's lunch time let's first drink some coffee [10:53] Maaz: coffee on [10:54] * Maaz puts the kettle on [10:54] Maaz, whats for lunch [10:54] Goats cheese on crackers and a bowl of salad for you fat people [10:54] Maaz, coffee please [10:54] Kilos: Alrighty [10:55] charl, what kinda help do you need? [10:57] lol Maaz [10:57] Kilos: programming, python/java [10:57] this is going to cost a lot of work [10:58] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [10:58] ai! [10:58] i need to first document the protocol but for that i also need input [10:58] Maaz, gracias [10:58] Maaz: dankeschon [10:58] Kilos: ¡de nada! [10:58] charl: *blink* [10:59] ask in lpi class tonight [10:59] tls for connections, and for messages dsa for asymmetric encryption and aes for symmetric encryption [11:00] udp for sending messages, tcp for receiving messages for the relay nod3es [11:00] try that youngster in the states [11:00] ??? [11:00] #linux-studies [11:01] cool i am on there i think [11:01] what you ppl doing tonight? [11:02] going through [11:02] um [11:02] runlevels and some more [11:03] cool [12:13] ok a starting point for the architecture: http://i.imgur.com/tZwKT1D.png [12:14] each client connects to multiple servers [12:14] and for routing messages between clients, the servers talk to each other [12:14] connections between clients and servers are tls encrypted [12:23] you must try get smile and theblazehen involved as well [12:23] blaze has lotsa geek buddies [12:26] i like this architecture because everything is encrypted client to server and server to server [12:26] and over the encrypted tls connections you use another layer of dsa+aes encryption [12:26] for end-to-end encryption between clients [12:27] and if any of the servers fail, you can switch to different server without any impact on the client, it's fully transparent [12:28] and if you use a round-robin algorithm to switch between servers for message delivery, you can't intercept all the traffic by only listening to a single server, even though the traffic is double-encrypted in any case [12:28] hi henkj [12:29] hi charl [12:29] and the client ips are only known on the servers, the clients don't know each other's ips [12:29] what is double encrypted? [12:30] henkj: i think you missed part of the conversation :) [12:30] charl: I missed almost all of it [12:31] but you had me interested with double encryption [12:31] check the logs in 30 mins or so, it should have updated by then, otherwise i can pastebin it for you [12:31] ok lemme pastebin it 1 sec [12:31] thanks :) [12:33] afternoon all [12:34] I don't really use run levels so I don't really need to learn them [12:34] me neither [12:34] henkj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101418/ [12:35] It's more a systemd or related function ;P [12:35] I tend to use busybox's init [12:38] Anybody remember who is the guys that took over remastersys ? [12:38] I can't remember now to go and check their site :-P [12:42] Buy everyone [12:43] mazal ask Kilos [12:44] oh my [12:45] its not just runlevels man [12:45] 101.3, 102.1 and 102.2 from the study manual [12:46] 101.3 is runlevels [12:46] mazal, sorry i dunno [12:46] http://system-imaging.blogspot.com/ [12:46] found it [12:47] Enjoy the evening everyone [12:47] Bye [13:49] ugh [13:50] in std 7 my maths teacher always used to mock me for getting simple stuff wrong and complicated stuff right [13:50] 20 years later not much has changed [13:51] just finished up doing a V2P, going from a single virtual disk (RAID happens at the storage level) to a software RAID set. boot both from livecd, mount source and target root filesystems [13:51] configure networking manually, rsync stuff from source to target [13:52] bind mount /sys, /proc and some other stuff like that, chroot into the copied target filesystem, run update-grub and grub-install to MBR of all the physical disks [13:52] sit for a bit and figure "yep, that's all" [13:52] reboot [13:52] ping ............ [13:52] no response after 10 mins [13:53] pong [13:53] and it turns out it booted just fine after all that, i just forgot to clear out udev's cached rules for network devices, so eth0/eth1 came up as eth1/eth2 [13:53] :-/ [13:54] on the plus side, only 4 more days here, woop! [13:57] haha that's so funny i had that too [13:57] with maths [13:58] thought i was the only idiot [14:57] inetpro, gaan huis toe [14:59] Jy's dronk - sorry, got caught up in the "Go home X, you're drunk" meme [15:00] lol [15:00] hows the kernel work going [15:02] Trixar_za, ? [15:05] i am on my way home, later all [15:05] later [17:32] o/ [17:55] lo [17:57] lo nuvolari kbmonkey [18:01] o/ from Debian [18:02] hi superfly kde debian of course [18:10] superfly, just testing or switched completely [18:11] ? [18:18] Kilos: switched, like I said to you last night [18:18] not to me [18:19] i woulda remembered [18:19] i member you talking about a quad [18:19] i went green [18:32] welcome to the darker side superfly ! [18:35] kbmonkey: I was always halfway there... just didn't have a huge reason to go through the schlep of reinstalling [18:35] new computer = reason [18:36] aha [18:56] hi nlsthzn [18:57] o/ again uncle Kilos :) [18:57] hehe [18:58] man Im gonna miss this place when I fly back to kenya tomorrow night [18:58] mauritius is awesome ;p [19:02] ;hello nlsthzn o/ [19:03] Symmetria, ah nice [19:03] kbmonkey, alo :) [19:08] hiya :D [19:21] * nlsthzn is conflicted, watch the game tomorrow and suffer a lot on night shift or skip the game and only suffer a little ... [19:21] mmmm [19:22] the one thing I miss about south africa [19:22] is that I cant drink water straight out the tap in the rest of africa [19:22] lol [19:22] watch the game [19:22] strange thing to miss but its a pain in the ass ;p [19:22] and drink lotsa coffee at work [19:22] lol which game? [19:22] za/kiwis [19:23] aahhh, lol, I only watch football ;p liverpool ftw! [19:23] oh and Im watching man-u games this season because it amuses me to watch them lose ;p [19:42] guess I will see how tonigth goes... already feeling sleepy :/ [19:44] more coffee nlsthzn [19:47] koffiehuis finished... so no more drinkabe coffee for me here... now back on tea... but stuck on the panel alone so can't just go and make some more... grrrr.... [19:47] errrr [19:47] koffiehuis isnt drinkable coffee ;p [19:48] drinkable coffee = freshly ground beans outta kenya put through a proper coffee machine ;p all instant coffee must die :) [19:48] no man Symmetria [19:48] nescafe classic is lekker [19:48] and encore [19:49] lol, how to know when you fly to much?. when you get to an airport at immigrations desk and the customs dude greets you by name before he's had a chance to look at your passport [19:49] hehe [19:49] kilos haha, tell you what, if we ever meet, I will give you a real cup of coffee [19:49] and you will never look at nescafe the same way again ;p [19:49] Symmetria, anything from SA is ok for me :p [19:49] nlsthzn trust me, go and buy some proper kenyan coffee [19:49] or some columbian coffee [19:50] take your pick, they are as good as each other [19:50] ;p you'll never go back from that [19:50] well arabian coffee beans apparently also some of the best in the world... [19:50] heh, columbian, kenyan, followed by arabian in third I would say [19:51] * nlsthzn doubts it... give me Frisco and I am very happy [19:51] coffee and tea are two of kenyas largest exports :) [19:51] most of the high quality expensive tea you buy in the UK, all of that is kenyan [19:51] (kenya is known to make some of the best tea in the world) [19:51] cool... didn't know [19:51] they cant even make up their minds about ipv6 [19:51] Ugandan coffee is really strange [19:51] haha kilos who cant [19:52] them afrinic okes [19:52] haha screw afrinic, I was in their offices this morning arguing with them [19:52] and what an argument it was :) [19:53] they a bunch of half wits [19:53] got nothing to do with progress. they all just scared someone else gets the lions ahre [19:54] kilos give me till May next year... then things will change :) [19:54] lets hope [20:01] gnight all [20:01] night [20:02] night [20:05] night Symmetria [20:05] hi nlsthzn [20:05] psychicist, alo [21:04] good night all [21:30] good morning [21:30] Kilos: wat maak jy nog hier? [21:30] o/ [21:31] nlsthzn: oops, not quite morning yet [21:31] well it is very early morning for me :) [21:33] cool, so I was not completely wrong [21:33] :D [21:44] hi inetpro, nlsthzn [21:45] hello superfly [21:45] Kilos: gaan slaap! [21:45] superfly, alo :) [21:45] I think uncle Kilos long time sleepy now [21:51] yep probably fell asleep at his desk [21:52] drooling over his keyboard :p [21:52] ai! [21:53] :p [21:53] just saying if he can't type any "p"'s tomorrow and want some advice on his keyboard start there [21:59] :-) [22:02] other than that, all well with you inetpro and superfly ? [22:02] nlsthzn: all fine here thanks [22:03] * inetpro just trying for the 2nd time to load Garmin Navigon on me note II [22:04] had about 80% of 620MB downloaded when the power tripped [22:04] better than the navigation software from Google? [22:04] I'm not sure really [22:04] but am willing to try [22:04] well I find I am using my phone more and more and not my Garmin cause it sucks :p [22:04] ok it was a cheapy but still [22:06] find it weird that I have to download a full 620MB but I guess I will be able to use it without needing a data connection once I start using it [22:06] hopefully :) [22:06] are you getting maps for the whole africa :p [22:06] will be nice if that is the case [22:07] strange thing is that I didn't have an option to choose [22:07] hmmm... well it would be handy to have US maps if you ever go there [22:07] so I really hope that I get at least the southern part of africa [22:08] will be a real waste if I get the US maps [22:08] * inetpro not planning to go there any time soon [22:10] now I really hope that this thing could speed up a bit [22:11] sounds like we have yet another thunder storm coming our way [22:11] now on 64% [22:12] s/hope/wish/ [22:13] uhoh [22:14] there comes the rain [22:15] 460/620 [22:16] nlsthzn: how are things on that side? [22:16] late :p [22:16] but ok I guess :) [22:17] work work and some more work [22:17] until what time is your shift? [22:18] 85% [22:18] 7 ... so that would be 5am in SA [22:18] ok [22:19] glad you think so ;p [22:20] you don't enjoy the work? [22:21] it can be rewarding and fun... however the company I am working for now has removed most of that... [22:21] hmm... [22:21] how so? [22:21] day in and day out they expect the same little narrow output from you ... and because you excell at it you can continue with it :/ [22:22] no chance for growth or anything new [22:22] donkey work? [22:22] repetitive... [22:23] sounds like my first job as a salary clerk [22:23] many years ago [22:23] and trying to go above and beyond just leads you to work harder for nothing as nothing changes... [22:23] became frustrating as hell very quickly [22:24] the one thing I miss from SASOL... until I hit the AA ceiling [22:24] yikes [22:24] downloaded 100% [22:24] whoohoo [22:25] and now it asks me to select the countries whose maps you want to be available... [22:25] ai! [22:25] ahh [22:26] wow [22:26] on the list I have, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia, South Africa and Swaziland [22:26] bloatware? [22:27] hmm... will have to test and see [22:27] good article - https://www.usenix.org/blog/my-daughters-high-school-programming-teacher [22:27] * nlsthzn posts random links cause it is past 2am [22:32] :-) I read that link [22:32] sad that it is still so rampant [22:34] yep [22:34] anyway, /me goes to sleep now [22:34] will have to test this thing tomorrow [22:35] funny new interface [22:37] good night [22:41] g night