[05:18] <Kilos> cremora minora
[05:32] <nuvolari> mornings oom Kilos 
[05:32] <Kilos> morning nuvolari 
[05:32] <Kilos> hi snowy
[05:45] <bduk1> Goeie more almal
[05:46] <Kilos> môre bduk1 
[06:07] <inetpro> goeie more oom Kilos
[06:08] <Kilos> more inetpro 
[06:08] <inetpro> oh and a good morning to everyone else
[06:08] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:12] <Squirm> 'lo
[06:12] <Kilos> lo Squirm 
[06:13] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[06:13]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:13] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[06:13] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[06:14] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[06:14] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Squirm
[06:14] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[06:14] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[06:15] <Squirm> just for those bored people who can spare a little data
[06:15] <Squirm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE
[06:17] <Kilos> Maaz, spanne
[06:17] <Maaz> I will keep the coffee machine topped up Kilos so you can just help yourself.
[06:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[06:18] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[06:18] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[06:18] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[06:18] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[06:19] <Kilos> Squirm, please dont forget the hosting thing
[06:19] <Squirm> Kilos: it looks complicated for what you want to do
[06:19] <Kilos> aw
[06:20] <Squirm> will have another look though
[06:20] <Kilos> and dont forget first LPI class tonight
[06:20] <Kilos> starting with runlevels on the pink hat thing
[06:20] <Kilos> oh red
[06:30] <Kilos> ai! hit a hang
[06:32] <Squirm> hmm
[06:32] <Squirm> won't make the LPI class
[06:32] <Squirm> braai + lan
[06:32] <Squirm> and I know the runlevels
[06:32] <Kilos> enjoy
[06:44] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:44] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:44] <nlsthzn> morning all *yawn*
[06:45] <Kilos> ohi nlsthzn 
[06:45] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peoples
[07:32] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:21] <mazal> Morning ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:57] <mazal> Have you guys seen that medibuntu is falling away. Wonder how we gonna get all medi stuff then ?
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> looks like everyone is saying most everything in there is no longer relevant except libdvdcss, which the vlc guys will provide
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://gauvain.pocentek.net/node/61
[09:18] <mazal> You think we should go ahead and change to that repo now ?
[09:32] <mazal> I added this repo : http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html and it updated mine now
[09:43] <Kilos> sudo add-apt-repo http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[09:43] <Kilos> is that the command
[09:48] <Kilos> just that one package?
[10:45] <charl> good afternoon all
[10:45] <charl> very disappointed with the current state of xmpp implementations
[10:45] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:46] <charl> installed prosody, configured my dns, couldn't connect with gnu freetalk and centerim gave a segmentation fault upon attempting to register a new user
[10:46] <charl> ports were open and dns was configured
[10:46] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:46] <charl> apparently i need to speed up development of my new idea :)
[10:47] <charl> either that or start writing my own xmpp client/server implementations
[10:48] <charl> we need a good reliable, distributed instant messaging system
[10:48] <charl> and most of all secure :)
[10:48] <Kilos> do whatever is the easiest for you
[10:48] <charl> we need to solve this problem for everyone Kilos not just for me...
[10:48] <Kilos> ya but who else has the time
[10:49] <charl> enough people to make this work, i think
[10:49] <charl> maybe i should ask around on pirateirc if someone would be interested
[10:49] <charl> a lot of pirates are into privacy and distributed systems
[10:50] <Kilos> ask them lets hear
[10:51] <Kilos> only one here that commented was the pro wasnt it
[10:51] <charl> retroshare is a good idea but i'm just not so sure about the reliance on upnp/stun
[10:51] <Kilos> za peeps dont have time
[10:51] <charl> why you people all so busy down there, i thought africans were easy going :0
[10:51] <charl> :)
[10:51] <Kilos> lol
[10:52] <Kilos> the IT peeps here never have time
[10:52] <charl> but that's true there doesn't seem to be many projects that get off the ground in africa
[10:52] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[10:53] <charl> it's lunch time let's first drink some coffee
[10:53] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:54]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:54] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for lunch
[10:54] <Maaz> Goats cheese on crackers and a bowl of salad for you fat people
[10:54] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[10:55] <Kilos> charl, what kinda help do you need?
[10:57] <charl> lol Maaz 
[10:57] <charl> Kilos: programming, python/java
[10:57] <charl> this is going to cost a lot of work
[10:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[10:58] <Kilos> ai!
[10:58] <charl> i need to first document the protocol but for that i also need input
[10:58] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias
[10:58] <charl> Maaz: dankeschon
[10:58] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[10:58] <Maaz> charl: *blink*
[10:59] <Kilos> ask in lpi class tonight
[10:59] <charl> tls for connections, and for messages dsa for asymmetric encryption and aes for symmetric encryption
[11:00] <charl> udp for sending messages, tcp for receiving messages for the relay nod3es
[11:00] <Kilos> try that youngster in the states
[11:00] <charl> ???
[11:00] <Kilos> #linux-studies
[11:01] <charl> cool i am on there i think
[11:01] <charl> what you ppl doing tonight?
[11:02] <Kilos> going through 
[11:02] <Kilos> um
[11:02] <Kilos> runlevels and some more
[11:03] <charl> cool
[12:13] <charl> ok a starting point for the architecture: http://i.imgur.com/tZwKT1D.png
[12:14] <charl> each client connects to multiple servers
[12:14] <charl> and for routing messages between clients, the servers talk to each other
[12:14] <charl> connections between clients and servers are tls encrypted
[12:23] <Kilos> you must try get smile and theblazehen involved as well
[12:23] <Kilos> blaze has lotsa geek buddies
[12:26] <charl> i like this architecture because everything is encrypted client to server and server to server
[12:26] <charl> and over the encrypted tls connections you use another layer of dsa+aes encryption
[12:26] <charl> for end-to-end encryption between clients
[12:27] <charl> and if any of the servers fail, you can switch to different server without any impact on the client, it's fully transparent
[12:28] <charl> and if you use a round-robin algorithm to switch between servers for message delivery, you can't intercept all the traffic by only listening to a single server, even though the traffic is double-encrypted in any case
[12:28] <charl> hi henkj 
[12:29] <henkj> hi charl
[12:29] <charl> and the client ips are only known on the servers, the clients don't know each other's ips
[12:29] <henkj> what is double encrypted?
[12:30] <charl> henkj: i think you missed part of the conversation :)
[12:30] <henkj> charl: I missed almost all of it
[12:31] <henkj> but you had me interested with double encryption
[12:31] <charl> check the logs in 30 mins or so, it should have updated by then, otherwise i can pastebin it for you
[12:31] <charl> ok lemme pastebin it 1 sec
[12:31] <henkj> thanks :)
[12:33] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:34] <Trixar_za> I don't really use run levels so I don't really need to learn them
[12:34] <charl> me neither
[12:34] <charl> henkj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101418/
[12:35] <Trixar_za> It's more a systemd or related function ;P
[12:35] <Trixar_za> I tend to use busybox's init
[12:38] <mazal> Anybody remember who is the guys that took over remastersys ?
[12:38] <mazal> I can't remember now to go and check their site :-P
[12:42] <bduk1> Buy everyone
[12:43] <magespawn> mazal ask Kilos
[12:44] <Kilos> oh my
[12:45] <Kilos> its not just runlevels man
[12:45] <Kilos> 101.3, 102.1 and 102.2 from the study manual
[12:46] <Kilos> 101.3 is runlevels
[12:46] <Kilos> mazal, sorry i dunno
[12:46] <mazal> http://system-imaging.blogspot.com/
[12:46] <mazal> found it
[12:47] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[12:47] <mazal> Bye
[13:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> ugh
[13:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> in std 7 my maths teacher always used to mock me for getting simple stuff wrong and complicated stuff right
[13:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> 20 years later not much has changed
[13:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> just finished up doing a V2P, going from a single virtual disk (RAID happens at the storage level) to a software RAID set. boot both from livecd, mount source and target root filesystems
[13:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> configure networking manually, rsync stuff from source to target
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> bind mount /sys, /proc and some other stuff like that, chroot into the copied target filesystem, run update-grub and grub-install to MBR of all the physical disks
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> sit for a bit and figure "yep, that's all"
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> reboot
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> ping ............
[13:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> no response after 10 mins
[13:53] <nuvolari> pong
[13:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it turns out it booted just fine after all that, i just forgot to clear out udev's cached rules for network devices, so eth0/eth1 came up as eth1/eth2
[13:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-/
[13:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> on the plus side, only 4 more days here, woop!
[13:57] <charl> haha that's so funny i had that too
[13:57] <charl> with maths
[13:58] <charl> thought i was the only idiot
[14:57] <Kilos> inetpro, gaan huis toe
[14:59] <Trixar_za> Jy's dronk - sorry, got caught up in the "Go home X, you're drunk" meme
[15:00] <Kilos> lol
[15:00] <Kilos> hows the kernel work going
[15:02] <Kilos> Trixar_za, ?
[15:05] <magespawn> i am on my way home, later all
[15:05] <Kilos> later
[17:32] <nuvolari> o/
[17:55] <kbmonkey> lo
[17:57] <Kilos> lo nuvolari kbmonkey 
[18:01] <superfly> o/ from Debian
[18:02] <Kilos> hi superfly kde debian of course
[18:10] <Kilos> superfly, just testing or switched completely
[18:11] <Kilos> ?
[18:18] <superfly> Kilos: switched, like I said to you last night
[18:18] <Kilos> not to me
[18:19] <Kilos> i woulda remembered
[18:19] <Kilos> i member you talking about a quad
[18:19] <Kilos> i went green
[18:32] <kbmonkey> welcome to the darker side superfly !
[18:35] <superfly> kbmonkey: I was always halfway there... just didn't have a huge reason to go through the schlep of reinstalling
[18:35] <superfly> new computer = reason
[18:36] <Kilos> aha
[18:56] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[18:57] <nlsthzn> o/ again uncle Kilos :)
[18:57] <Kilos> hehe
[18:58] <Symmetria> man Im gonna miss this place when I fly back to kenya tomorrow night
[18:58] <Symmetria> mauritius is awesome ;p
[19:02] <kbmonkey> ;hello nlsthzn o/
[19:03] <nlsthzn> Symmetria, ah nice
[19:03] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey, alo :)
[19:08] <kbmonkey> hiya :D
[19:21]  * nlsthzn is conflicted, watch the game tomorrow and suffer a lot on night shift or skip the game and only suffer a little ...
[19:21] <Symmetria> mmmm
[19:22] <Symmetria> the one thing I miss about south africa 
[19:22] <Symmetria> is that I cant drink water straight out the tap in the rest of africa 
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:22] <Kilos> watch the game
[19:22] <Symmetria> strange thing to miss but its a pain in the ass ;p
[19:22] <Kilos> and drink lotsa coffee at work
[19:22] <Symmetria> lol which game?
[19:22] <Kilos> za/kiwis
[19:23] <Symmetria> aahhh, lol, I only watch football ;p liverpool ftw!
[19:23] <Symmetria> oh and Im watching man-u games this season because it amuses me to watch them lose ;p
[19:42] <nlsthzn> guess I will see how tonigth goes... already feeling sleepy :/
[19:44] <Kilos> more coffee nlsthzn 
[19:47] <nlsthzn> koffiehuis finished... so no more drinkabe coffee for me here... now back on tea... but stuck on the panel alone so can't just go and make some more... grrrr....
[19:47] <Symmetria> errrr
[19:47] <Symmetria> koffiehuis isnt drinkable coffee ;p
[19:48] <Symmetria> drinkable coffee = freshly ground beans outta kenya put through a proper coffee machine ;p all instant coffee must die :)
[19:48] <Kilos> no man Symmetria 
[19:48] <Kilos> nescafe classic is lekker
[19:48] <Kilos> and encore
[19:49] <Symmetria> lol, how to know when you fly to much?. when you get to an airport at immigrations desk and the customs dude greets you by name before he's had a chance to look at your passport
[19:49] <Kilos> hehe
[19:49] <Symmetria> kilos haha, tell you what, if we ever meet, I will give you a real cup of coffee
[19:49] <Symmetria> and you will never look at nescafe the same way again ;p
[19:49] <nlsthzn> Symmetria, anything from SA is ok for me :p
[19:49] <Symmetria> nlsthzn trust me, go and buy some proper kenyan coffee 
[19:49] <Symmetria> or some columbian coffee
[19:50] <Symmetria> take your pick, they are as good as each other 
[19:50] <Symmetria> ;p you'll never go back from that
[19:50] <nlsthzn> well arabian coffee beans apparently also some of the best in the world...
[19:50] <Symmetria> heh, columbian, kenyan, followed by arabian in third I would say
[19:51]  * nlsthzn doubts it... give me Frisco and I am very happy
[19:51] <Symmetria> coffee and tea are two of kenyas largest exports :)
[19:51] <Symmetria> most of the high quality expensive tea you buy in the UK, all of that is kenyan 
[19:51] <Symmetria> (kenya is known to make some of the best tea in the world)
[19:51] <nlsthzn> cool... didn't know
[19:51] <Kilos> they cant even make up their minds about ipv6
[19:51] <Symmetria> Ugandan coffee is really strange 
[19:51] <Symmetria> haha kilos who cant
[19:52] <Kilos> them afrinic okes
[19:52] <Symmetria> haha screw afrinic, I was in their offices this morning arguing with them
[19:52] <Symmetria> and what an argument it was :) 
[19:53] <Kilos> they a bunch of half wits
[19:53] <Kilos> got nothing to do with progress. they all just scared someone else gets the lions ahre
[19:54] <Symmetria> kilos give me till May next year... then things will change :) 
[19:54] <Kilos> lets hope
[20:01] <Symmetria> gnight all
[20:01] <Kilos> night
[20:02] <nlsthzn> night
[20:05] <psychicist> night Symmetria 
[20:05] <psychicist> hi nlsthzn 
[20:05] <nlsthzn> psychicist, alo
[21:04] <magespawn> good night all
[21:30] <inetpro> good morning
[21:30] <inetpro> Kilos: wat maak jy nog hier?
[21:30] <nlsthzn> o/
[21:31] <inetpro> nlsthzn: oops, not quite morning yet
[21:31] <nlsthzn> well it is very early morning for me :)
[21:33] <inetpro> cool, so I was not completely wrong
[21:33] <nlsthzn> :D
[21:44] <superfly> hi inetpro, nlsthzn
[21:45] <inetpro> hello superfly
[21:45] <inetpro> Kilos: gaan slaap!
[21:45] <nlsthzn> superfly, alo :)
[21:45] <nlsthzn> I think uncle Kilos long time sleepy now
[21:51] <inetpro> yep probably fell asleep at his desk
[21:52] <nlsthzn> drooling over his keyboard :p
[21:52] <inetpro> ai!
[21:53] <nlsthzn> :p
[21:53] <nlsthzn> just saying if he can't type any "p"'s tomorrow and want some advice on his keyboard start there
[21:59] <inetpro> :-)
[22:02] <nlsthzn> other than that, all well with you inetpro and superfly ?
[22:02] <inetpro> nlsthzn: all fine here thanks
[22:03]  * inetpro just trying for the 2nd time to load Garmin Navigon on me note II
[22:04] <inetpro> had about 80% of 620MB downloaded when the power tripped
[22:04] <nlsthzn> better than the navigation software from Google?
[22:04] <inetpro> I'm not sure really
[22:04] <inetpro> but am willing to try
[22:04] <nlsthzn> well I find I am using my phone more and more and not my Garmin cause it sucks :p
[22:04] <nlsthzn> ok it was a cheapy but still
[22:06] <inetpro> find it weird that I have to download a full 620MB but I guess I will be able to use it without needing a data connection once I start using it
[22:06] <nlsthzn> hopefully :)
[22:06] <nlsthzn> are you getting maps for the whole africa :p
[22:06] <inetpro> will be nice if that is the case
[22:07] <inetpro> strange thing is that I didn't have an option to choose
[22:07] <nlsthzn> hmmm... well it would be handy to have US maps if you ever go there
[22:07] <inetpro> so I really hope that I get at least the southern part of africa
[22:08] <inetpro> will be a real waste if I get the US maps
[22:08]  * inetpro not planning to go there any time soon
[22:10] <inetpro> now I really hope that this thing could speed up a bit
[22:11] <inetpro> sounds like we have yet another thunder storm coming our way
[22:11] <inetpro> now on 64%
[22:12] <inetpro> s/hope/wish/
[22:13] <inetpro> uhoh
[22:14] <inetpro> there comes the rain
[22:15] <inetpro> 460/620 
[22:16] <inetpro> nlsthzn: how are things on that side?
[22:16] <nlsthzn> late :p
[22:16] <nlsthzn> but ok I guess :)
[22:17] <nlsthzn> work work and some more work
[22:17] <inetpro> until what time is your shift?
[22:18] <inetpro> 85%
[22:18] <nlsthzn> 7 ... so that would be 5am in SA
[22:18] <inetpro> ok
[22:19] <nlsthzn> glad you think so ;p
[22:20] <inetpro> you don't enjoy the work?
[22:21] <nlsthzn> it can be rewarding and fun... however the company I am working for now has removed most of that... 
[22:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[22:21] <inetpro> how so?
[22:21] <nlsthzn> day in and day out they expect the same little narrow output from you ... and because you excell at it you can continue with it :/
[22:22] <nlsthzn> no chance for growth or anything new
[22:22] <inetpro> donkey work?
[22:22] <nlsthzn> repetitive...
[22:23] <inetpro> sounds like my first job as a salary clerk
[22:23] <inetpro> many years ago
[22:23] <nlsthzn> and trying to go above and beyond just leads you to work harder for nothing as nothing changes...
[22:23] <inetpro> became frustrating as hell very quickly
[22:24] <nlsthzn> the one thing I miss from SASOL... until I hit the AA ceiling
[22:24] <inetpro> yikes
[22:24] <inetpro> downloaded 100%
[22:24] <nlsthzn> whoohoo
[22:25] <inetpro> and now it asks me to select the countries whose maps you want to be available...
[22:25] <inetpro> ai!
[22:25] <inetpro> ahh
[22:26] <nlsthzn> wow
[22:26] <inetpro> on the list I have, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia, South Africa and Swaziland
[22:26] <nlsthzn> bloatware?
[22:27] <inetpro> hmm... will have to test and see
[22:27] <nlsthzn> good article - https://www.usenix.org/blog/my-daughters-high-school-programming-teacher
[22:27]  * nlsthzn posts random links cause it is past 2am
[22:32] <inetpro> :-) I read that link
[22:32] <nlsthzn> sad that it is still so rampant
[22:34] <inetpro> yep
[22:34] <inetpro> anyway, /me goes to sleep now
[22:34] <inetpro> will have to test this thing tomorrow
[22:35] <inetpro> funny new interface
[22:37] <inetpro> good night
[22:41] <nlsthzn> g night