[00:00] <toddaaro> FastCode: ok, removing that didn't change much, the system detects storage devices, and then the first thing it does as part of "loading essential drivers" swaps the output over to the intel gpu
[00:00] <FastCode> try using an xorg.conf
[00:01] <Gaming4JC> karen_: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/watch-lovefilm-and-redbox-videos-in.html
[00:01] <Gaming4JC> seems like Netflix like wilee said.
[00:01] <toddaaro> FastCode: looking at the logs it does the swapover before the root filesystem is mounted, so it seems like what I need to fix is inside the kernel in the init image
[00:01] <FastCode> in recent versions Xorg  doesn't use a config file for intel graphics and you see what happens
[00:01] <blackangelofdebt> I'm an idiot and i can't install java
[00:01] <blackangelofdebt> please help
[00:01] <FastCode> try intel nomodset
[00:02] <daftykins> blackangelofdebt: there's plenty of guides online
[00:02] <Gaming4JC> blackangelofdebt: openjdk or sun-jdk?
[00:02] <daftykins> *oracle
[00:02] <Gaming4JC> imo you should give OpenJDK a shot. It's not half bad.
[00:02] <FastCode> apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[00:02] <blackangelofdebt> anything
[00:02] <Gaming4JC> :)
[00:02] <Gaming4JC> that ^^
[00:03] <Gaming4JC> Accessories >> Terminal >> sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre (or use Synaptic Package Manager/Ubuntu Software Center)
[00:03] <Gaming4JC> like fastcode said
[00:03] <toddaaro> FastCode: ah! that did something
[00:04] <FastCode> so you have graphics, now?
[00:04] <toddaaro> FastCode: I don't seem to have graphics, but it boots displaying the text on the discrete gpu's monitors
[00:04] <FastCode> or is it just a tty?
[00:04] <blackangelofdebt> thanks
[00:05] <blackangelofdebt> installing synaptic package manager
[00:05] <toddaaro> FastCode: x just blackscreened when I tried starting it, swapping to tty doesn't work
[00:06] <Gaming4JC> blackangelofdebt: ok... just make sure you install the "openjdk-7-jre" package. If you want to use it in the browser I would also recomend "icedtea-plugin"
[00:06] <Gaming4JC> e.g. for Yahoo Games
[00:06] <FastCode> toddaaro: do you have opensource or proprietary  drivers installed?
[00:06] <blackangelofdebt> i need to rip from youtube
[00:06] <Gaming4JC> blackangelofdebt: don't need java for that
[00:06] <daftykins> can't help you there then.
[00:06] <toddaaro> FastCode: open source right now
[00:07] <blackangelofdebt> whoops
[00:07] <FastCode> blackangelofdebt: and icedtea-web
[00:07] <Gaming4JC> blackangelofdebt: try minitube or youtube-dl ;)
[00:07] <blackangelofdebt> what do i need?
[00:07] <blackangelofdebt> thx
[00:08] <blackangelofdebt> what application do i open minitube with?
[00:09] <toddaaro> FastCode: oh I think this is just a stale xorg from the proprietary driver
[00:09] <FastCode> toddaaro: ok, here to be dragons. every time you try a configuration the whole thing may freeze and never come back.and I don't think I can be of any more help.try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI
[00:09] <Gaming4JC> blackangelofdebt: Try looking it up in ubuntu software center, it's a program
[00:09] <suarez7> i have this error installing ubuntu in a preinstalled system with windows 8      grub-efi-amd64-signed package failed to install into /target/
[00:10] <toddaaro> FastCode: yea, it is an adventure that never ends, thanks for the help so far, that "intel nomodeset" suggestion was new and helpful
[00:10] <Gaming4JC> blackangelofdebt: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/install-minitube-16-youtube-desktop.html <-- tutorial
[00:10] <wylde> !uefi
[00:10] <FastCode> You can't beleive what I have gone through with xorg.conf
[00:11] <FastCode> http://xkcd.com/963/
[00:11] <suarez7> i read that manual, y follow all sterp, but always got this error
[00:11] <daftykins> i would believe.
[00:11] <blackangelofdebt> minitube rips?  It doesnt claim to
[00:12] <suarez7> i dont undesrtand this part                If your disk already contains an EFI partition (eg if your computer had Windows8 preinstalled), it can be used for Ubuntu too. Do not format it. It is strongly recommended to have only 1 EFI partition per disk.
[00:12] <FastCode> downloading and installing nvidia drivers in a blank screen dozens of times for weeks, not days
[00:12] <Gaming4JC> blackangelofdebt: it has a download button
[00:12] <domingo> !list
[00:13] <wylde> suarez7: only suggestion I have otherwise is disabling uefi in the bios. Perhaps someone else will have better advice for you.
[00:13] <Gaming4JC> for educational use of course :)
[00:13] <suarez7> yes, but i read that is possible install with uefi and secureboot enable
[00:14] <FastCode> Gaming4JC: I believe you:)
[00:14] <karen_> Thank you for explaining redbox-desktop for me
[00:15] <javier_> Hi! If any of the guys that helped me before are still there, thanks a lot! It worked! I finally used --get-selections to see what had been uninstalled and installed it again. Thanks!!!
[00:15] <Gaming4JC> iampoz: np. Now I would suggest researching the difference between GNU/Linux and Linux and how freedom is more important than user interface. (but just saying) :D
[00:16] <Fudus> and on java news, its been a year since oracle appealed to the federal circuit about the google-java infringement thing, and they still haven't begun
[00:16] <Fudus> got to love the speed of the us legal system ;)
[00:16] <daftykins> politics doesn't belong here!
[00:16] <poz_> I dont know what you mean Gaming4JC
[00:16] <mandi628> i need help with my ubuntu computer... i upgraded from 11.04 to 12.04 using the upgrade reminder dialog box and now my computer mice are not working at all - built-in mouse-pad and usb mouse... any suggestions?
[00:16] <daftykins> least of all that of a nation such as that D:
[00:17] <bl4ckdu5t> I want to search in a folder for a string that contains 'css' and '.pdf', is it ok to use this:  find |grep 'css' && '.pdf'|more find |grep 'css' && '.pdf'|more
[00:17] <FastCode> daftykins: lsmod|grep psmouse
[00:17] <poz_> I am just wondering what redbox is because I keep getting a "Failure to download extra data files" error from it
[00:17] <FastCode> daftykins: sorry
[00:17] <suarez7> someone install ubuntu sharing w8 efi partition?????
[00:17] <daftykins> FastCode: ooh you will be!
[00:17] <FastCode> mandi628: lsmod|grep psmouse
[00:17] <daftykins> you can't SHARE the partition
[00:17] <mandi628> in the terminal?
[00:17] <daftykins> suarez7: ^
[00:18] <Gaming4JC> poz_: https://gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html ... you may also be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre :)
[00:18] <FastCode> yes, as root
[00:18] <mandi628> FastCode: thx - will try and let you know
[00:19] <suarez7> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI, Creating an EFI partition
[00:19] <FastCode> mandi628: it won't fix anything. it just helps identify the problem
[00:19] <mandi628> FastCode: k. thx. i tried to install pidgin from the terminal and was prompted to manually install a bunch of configs, so that could be the problem. it's working on them now
[00:19] <FastCode> mandi628: you may also want to try lsmod|grep hid
[00:20] <suarez7> If your disk already contains an EFI partition (eg if your computer had Windows8 preinstalled), it can be used for Ubuntu too.
[00:21] <hid> ^^
[00:21] <Fudus> does the resize in disk management and install to empty space thing still work in uefi land?
[00:21] <FastCode> hid: sorry for grepping you:)
[00:21] <hid> ;)
[00:22] <cjwelborn> I ended up having to install Ubuntu 12.10 Secure-Remix because of Windows 8 being pre-installed (UEFI). Does 13 work like the secure-remix now?
[00:23] <MACscr> is there any way for me to get ubuntu 12.04 LTS to use the new network interface naming schema? aka p1p1 or igb2, etc?
[00:23] <FastCode> Is there really no one with opencl experience here?<begging>somebody?anybody?</begging>
[00:24] <Gaming4JC> FastCode: I used it once ages ago for ATI.
[00:24] <FastCode> Gaming4JC: did you see my paste?
[00:24] <Gaming4JC> checking it now..
[00:26] <bazhang> FastCode, try #opencl
[00:26] <FastCode> bazhang: freenode?
[00:27] <bazhang> FastCode, yep
[00:27] <FastCode> bazhang: thanx
[00:27] <Gaming4JC> FastCode: Not sure on that particular error. Several results on DuckDuckGo. From: "A quick workaround would be to create a symlink libOpenCL.so -> libOpenCL.so.1." to "Are you installing the 32bit version".
[00:27] <Gaming4JC> not sure if that's overly helpful though ;)
[00:28] <Gaming4JC> symlink likely would work though assuming your .so exists.
[00:29] <FastCode> no, amd64 and tried all kinds of symlinks
[00:29] <FastCode> trying 32bit now
[00:29] <Dr_Feelgud> hello
[00:29] <FastCode> Dr_Feelgud: hi
[00:30] <FastCode> I love it when people say hello on irc, I should start doing it too.
[00:30] <blackangelofdebt> minitube doesnt download
[00:30] <blackangelofdebt> it tries to
[00:30] <blackangelofdebt> hello irc!
[00:30] <Gaming4JC> hello world.
[00:31] <vacho> anyone hosting web server with amazon??
[00:31] <FastCode> (echo 'hello' &)
[00:31] <Gaming4JC> blackangelofdebt: well, give youtube-dl a try. It's a Terminal based app but it works quite nicely.
[00:31] <vacho> I want to setup a simple ubuntu LAMP server on amazon, anyone have experience with that??
[00:31] <Gaming4JC> all you need to do is Terminal >> apt-get install youtube-dl >> youtube-dl (video url here)  >>> ??? profit.
[00:31] <Gaming4JC> :)
[00:31] <FastCode> I use youtube-dl everyday.Its really nice.
[00:32] <Gaming4JC> most importantly you should never use Flash
[00:32] <Gaming4JC> it's dead, evil, and dying
[00:32] <wylde> !lamp
[00:32] <Gaming4JC> with the minor exception of Mozilla's implementation in JS
[00:32] <Gaming4JC> but it's alpha
[00:32] <Gaming4JC> :P
[00:32] <blackangelofdebt> Gaming4JC: thanks
[00:32] <blackangelofdebt> gaming for jesus?
[00:33] <Gaming4JC> blackangelofdebt: yes, used to do Christian game development. Not much anymore though. But I still help others out as I can on the game/dev scenes :)
[00:34] <wylde> vacho: I have my own VPN that uses the ubuntu LAMP stack. Not on amazon though.
[00:34] <FastCode> anybody can help me with this message? "#opencl Cannot send to channel"
[00:34] <daftykins> FastCode: join #freenode and ask for support there
[00:34] <bazhang> register FastCode
[00:34] <wylde> VPS.... blah
[00:34] <Gaming4JC> FastCode: ???  odd one.
[00:34] <FastCode> god, I just wanted to try bitcoin.why does it have to be this painful?
[00:35] <vacho> wylde: yes me too..currently with linode.
[00:35] <Gaming4JC> FastCode: lol ;D
[00:35] <Gaming4JC> FastCode: not worth mining anymore, the difficulty is way to high thanks to ASIC... :(
[00:35] <daftykins> linodes are expensive for what you get
[00:36] <FastCode> where I live, electricity is dirt cheap.
[00:36] <daftykins> FastCode: how much per kWh?
[00:36] <Gaming4JC> FastCode: well, assuming you have dirt cheap electricity and you use pooled mining, in a month or so you might have 0.1
[00:37] <FastCode> don't know in USDs but i guess its like 1/20 comparing to us
[00:37] <FastCode> US*
[00:37] <FastCode> even with GPUs?
[00:38] <daftykins> FastCode: i'm not in the US :( what's your currency?
[00:38] <FastCode> IRR
[00:38] <honestly> GPUs are expensive
[00:39] <honestly> if you have old high-end ATI GPUs just lying around I guess you could mine with them
[00:39] <FastCode> my laptop came with one
[00:39] <daftykins> it won't be good, heh
[00:39] <mandi628> FastCode: updating the configs through the terminal did the trick. Thx!
[00:39] <Gaming4JC> FastCode: GPUs are near to worthless after ASICs came out, unless you have lots and lots of them humming along. :/
[00:40] <FastCode> so apt-get remove opnecl-*?
[00:40] <Gaming4JC> FastCode: Might get better luck with Litecoin or Feathercoin though. :P
[00:40] <michaelwang32> is linux mint same?
[00:41] <somsip> !mint | michaelwang32
[00:41] <FastCode> michaelwang32: almost...depends
[00:41] <michaelwang32> oh ok
[00:41] <michaelwang32> where can i find the kik channe;
[00:41] <michaelwang32> ;
[00:41] <daftykins> the lol channel?
[00:41] <michaelwang32> can i find hp support on irc
[00:41] <schultza> how do i close empathy without the unity global menu (i turned that off for a reason).. and ive tried to killall or kill -9 empathy itself, it keeps staying active.
[00:41] <michaelwang32> or andorid
[00:41] <michaelwang32> idk
[00:43] <FastCode> schultza: I don't have empathy, but general answer to 'application X starts automatically' is 'ps flax|grep -B 4 empathy'
[00:43] <Gaming4JC> michaelwang32:  >> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12
[00:43] <FastCode> and find the parent, then kill it
[00:43] <schultza> how do i do that?
[00:44] <FastCode> run command in terminal
[00:44] <FastCode> 4 is the number of lines to show before each occurrence
[00:44] <FastCode> use something higher if you can't  find the parent
[00:45] <an3k> uh oh, Friday the 13th
[00:45] <daftykins> DUN DUN DUN
[00:46] <schultza> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6099499/
[00:46] <daftykins> unicorns will be roaming the streets
[00:46] <schultza> thats what i get when trying to find the parent.. looks like telepathy-gabble to me
[00:46] <michaelwang32> KIK PARTY!!!
[00:46] <an3k> well, Saturday the 14th is much more worse
[00:46] <an3k> have you seen the movies? horrible
[00:47] <daftykins> i don't care for this weekend, come Monday/Tuesday i get GTA V \o/
[00:47] <daftykins> anywho offtopic, bad daftykins, shoo
[00:48] <FastCode> schultza: It's owned by init(1). there is nothing I can do.Sorry.
[00:48] <schultza> empathy-auth-client killed it
[00:48] <michaelwang32> where can i find hp on irc
[00:48] <FastCode> sure?
[00:48] <michaelwang32>  how can i install software without a password
[00:48] <schultza> it's not returning
[00:48] <michaelwang32> ?
[00:48] <michaelwang32>  how can i install software without a password?
[00:48] <schultza> you cant.. :)
[00:49] <michaelwang32> why
[00:49] <gregor3005> hi, i used the latest firefox and flash plugin. here the sound does not work. with chrome it works without any problem. can anybody give me a hint
[00:49] <michaelwang32> in windows you can install software without a password
[00:49] <saiarcot895> michaelwang32: for starters, security
[00:49] <FastCode> allow everyone to run apt-get and dpkg in sudoers
[00:49] <saiarcot895> michaelwang32: actually, you can't (unless you install to the local user only)
[00:49] <michaelwang32> cant i find a way to remove the admin password
[00:50] <daftykins> there *IS* no password
[00:50] <michaelwang32> how can i share a file with you guys?
[00:50] <Tex_Nick> michaelwang32: you might search for hp on ... http://searchirc.com/
[00:50] <michaelwang32> i use linux mint
[00:50] <Gaming4JC> michaelwang32: aMule? (it's old but steady as she goes the old gal)
[00:50] <Gaming4JC> works on Linux Mint too
[00:50] <Gaming4JC> :)
[00:51] <FastCode> michaelwang32: there are like a million file sharing sites on the net. try dropbox or ubuntu one or torrent
[00:51] <michaelwang32> ok
[00:51] <Gaming4JC> or if it's just text, you might try pastebin.com
[00:51] <FastCode> or screencloud if it's a picture
[00:51] <an3k> dropbox restricted access to some of my files. i prefer rapidshare
[00:52] <Gaming4JC> or setup your own owncloud instance?
[00:52] <Gaming4JC> SparkleShare?
[00:52] <michaelwang32> why is linux so hard to install
[00:52] <daftykins> it's not
[00:52] <an3k> it isnt
[00:52] <Gaming4JC> not too hard, especially linux mint. You should try Arch
[00:52] <Gaming4JC> D:
[00:52] <michaelwang32> like why do i need a password to install software
[00:52] <an3k> easier than windows because you dont need to enter a serial :D
[00:52] <FastCode> I hate ownCloud, it f*cks up its database if system crashes
[00:52] <Gaming4JC> FastCode: really?! I never tried ownCloud yet, thanks for the heads up :P
[00:53] <IdleOne> FastCode: please no swearing or st*ring out
[00:53] <an3k> michaelwang32: to install ubuntu or software on ubuntu?
[00:53] <FastCode> it deserves it
[00:53] <michaelwang32> can i type startx to boot
[00:53] <michaelwang32> in ubuntu
[00:53] <an3k> hmm, looks like Quassel auto st*ings out
[00:54] <Gaming4JC> michaelwang32: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1116490&s=d2e0e6b2687602328c34b45557b1b64b&p=7015955#post7015955 (regarding password question)
[00:54] <gregor3005> hi, i used the latest firefox and flash plugin. here the sound does not work. with chrome it works without any problem. can anybody give me a hint
[00:55] <ter2> michaelwang32: if you are at a command prompt and logged in and x is not up, chances are something is wrong. if nothing is wrong and you're there on purpose, then startx should work
[00:55] <Gaming4JC> michaelwang32: you shouldn't have to type anything to start ubuntu, other than username and password.
[00:55] <Gaming4JC> michaelwang32: you may also want to try youtube, many tutorials there
[00:55] <michaelwang32> ok
[00:56] <Gaming4JC> No why on earth "python-software-properties" is not installed by default in #ubuntu-server I will never understand.
[00:56] <michaelwang32> but i dont want a password to login to ubuntu
[00:56] <Gaming4JC> now*
[00:56] <Gaming4JC> michaelwang32: It's configurable under system settings once you get it installed.
[00:57] <michaelwang32> i want to remove my password on ubuntu/linux mint
[00:57] <michaelwang32> because i am fixing a computer for my very old parents
[00:57] <Gaming4JC> likely they will not need to install anything
[00:57] <Gaming4JC> so just disable the password from login and screen sleep
[00:57] <Gaming4JC> then you'll be fine
[00:58] <michaelwang32> i want to install software without password
[00:58] <FastCode> and set something like 123456789 just in case they need to enter a password
[00:59] <Gaming4JC> michaelwang32: doing so allows anyone (even remote attackers) to happily install malware on your box
[00:59] <michaelwang32> ok
[00:59] <Gaming4JC> so not suggested.
[00:59] <daftykins> michaelwang32: no offence but if you can't use it, how are you going to support it?
[00:59] <michaelwang32> but sometimes my autusic student will go crazy
[00:59] <michaelwang32> over a password
[01:00] <Tex_Nick> michaelwang32: you can do that from system settings/user accounts & system settings/brightness and lock
[01:00] <Gaming4JC> michaelwang32: Tell them to watch wanda in the taskbar, it's quite calming once you enable her... :P
[01:01] <michaelwang32> also is a penitum 4 and 1.7gb of ram good for ubuntu
[01:01] <daftykins> xubuntu/lubuntu maybe yeah
[01:01] <Gaming4JC> Lubuntu
[01:01] <daftykins> not full ubuntu
[01:01] <Gaming4JC> not ubunut
[01:01] <Gaming4JC> or Linux Mint for that matter.
[01:01] <Gaming4JC> ubuntu*
[01:01] <michaelwang32> i have linux mint on a penitum 4
[01:02] <Gaming4JC> I would imagine that's pretty slow unless you have XFCE version
[01:02] <Gaming4JC> cinnamon would die
[01:02] <michaelwang32> i have mate desktop
[01:02] <michaelwang32> cant i talk to the people that make ubuntu
[01:02] <FastCode> you already are
[01:03] <daftykins> haha
[01:03] <michaelwang32> who is the guy that makes the build of ubuntu
[01:03] <michaelwang32> cant i talk to him
[01:03] <daftykins> what, God?
[01:03] <daftykins> no he's very busy
[01:03] <FastCode> there are like 2000 people doing that
[01:03] <bazhang> !ot
[01:03] <sam113101> where can I find LDC?
[01:04] <michaelwang32> tell him to make a build of ubuntu without a password
[01:04] <FastCode> LMFAO
[01:04] <michaelwang32> its too hard for me and my parents
[01:04] <bazhang> michaelwang32, theres no such thing
[01:04] <michaelwang32> ok
[01:05] <FastCode> unix and linux have had passwords for more than 4 decades. they can't just remove it overnight
[01:05] <michaelwang32> im still new to linux
[01:05] <michaelwang32> im used to windows xp
[01:05] <michaelwang32> amd 98
[01:05] <Gaming4JC> michaelwang32: Mark Shuttlesworth. If you happen to talk to him (he's only one of the project managers by the way, from Cannonical), be sure to tell him I said he better stop trying to commercialize GNU/Linux
[01:05] <Gaming4JC> :)
[01:05] <bazhang> michaelwang32, are you using ubuntu or MINT
[01:05] <michaelwang32> mint
[01:05] <Gaming4JC> then no he won't help you.
[01:05] <ter2> you have to talk to the guy who made mint
[01:05] <FastCode> Gaming4JC: LOL
[01:05] <michaelwang32> ok
[01:05] <bazhang> Gaming4JC, thats not correct, and please stay on topic
[01:05] <michaelwang32> LOL
[01:05] <an3k> why is ubuntu using swap when there is still 1 GB RAM free (50%) ?
[01:06] <sam113101> maybe caching?
[01:06] <FastCode> because at some point it hasn't?
[01:06] <ter2> michaelwang32: http://community.linuxmint.com/user/view/3 this is the guy who made mint, you can ask him about it
[01:07] <tertu> michaelwang32: http://community.linuxmint.com/user/view/3 this is the guy who made mint, you can ask him about it
[01:17] <lixuan> 你好
[01:17] <lovelymortal> is it possible to turn an installed package into a .deb file
[01:18] <lovelymortal> im about to format my HD and i need my wireless firmware
[01:18] <reisio> lovelymortal: where'd you get it in the first place?
[01:18] <reisio> lixuan: #ubuntu-cn
[01:18] <lovelymortal> apt-get
[01:19] <reisio> lovelymortal: well then, it should be available via apt-get later on, too
[01:20] <lovelymortal> i know it will but i run a wireless connection from my laptop. the package i need is the firmware for my wireless card. if i can just dpkg it later i wont have to go the lo route
[01:21] <jgk> hey wilee-nilee
[01:21] <craigbass1976> What do folks usually use for "light" graphics work?  GIMP is a little heavy sometimes
[01:21] <jcbjoe> anyone ever changed there dpi settings for there display ?
[01:21] <reisio> craigbass1976: light as in?
[01:21] <nevyn> lovelymortal: just grab the deb?
[01:22] <craigbass1976> like the stupid paint program that always came with windows
[01:22] <craigbass1976> reisio, ^^
[01:22] <seventhsamuari> I am having problems setting up an openvpn with a service that i pay for. I can connect to the vpn but i can ping anything. Am I actually connected to it?
[01:22] <daftykins> i will have you know i edit in mspaint on a daily basis!
[01:22] <daftykins> my stickmen are the finest in the business!
[01:22] <lovelymortal> i know i could do that i was just wondering if there was a program i didnt know about that would make .deb out of an installed package for future reference
[01:23] <lovelymortal> firmware-b43-installer
[01:23] <lovelymortal> is what i need
[01:23] <craigbass1976> daftykins, I was actually able to do some Bob Ross caliber stuff in paint on Windows 3.1...
[01:23] <daftykins> lovelymortal: just download the .deb ?
[01:23] <wylde> lovelymortal: " apt-get download packagename" will download the package to the current directory
[01:23] <mrrcp> seventhsamuari: what is the service?
[01:23] <craigbass1976> daftykins, tough with 256 colors though
[01:24] <mrrcp> was is a install package from the service site or another method
[01:24] <daftykins> craigbass1976: do you still have it?
[01:24] <lovelymortal> thank you for your recommendations but i want to make a .deb from the package thats already on my system
[01:24] <seventhsamuari> CyberGhost
[01:25] <craigbass1976> daftykins, there's a box in my basement with 3.1 on it, but it hasn't been started in many years.
[01:25] <mrrcp> hmm
[01:25] <daftykins> craigbass1976: i vote a winter resurrection, sir
[01:26] <Gaming4JC> seventhsamuari: How did you connect? Are there any errors in the terminal?
[01:26] <reisio> craigbass1976: well there's xpaint
[01:26] <craigbass1976> daftykins, A couple working original NES too...  I'm off topic though.  What about the paint app?
[01:27] <daftykins> :D
[01:27] <reisio> lovelymortal: you might be after dh_make, but as someone said, just grab the .deb while you're online
[01:27] <seventhsamuari> I am pretty new so I dont know how to check for errors but i connected through the connections in the task bar
[01:27] <reisio> lovelymortal: apt-get should have a command to simply fetch .deb's, too
[01:27] <daftykins> craigbass1976: hrmm not sure sorry :< i've heard of inkscape but i think that's not too simple
[01:27] <mrrcp> it shows the lock icon?
[01:27] <lovelymortal> thank you ill check into that
[01:27] <Gaming4JC> daftykins: MSPaint? egads.... Pinta is better. or gpaint if they would have ever finished it.
[01:28] <daftykins> Gaming4JC: i was just going for the Windows reference
[01:28] <daftykins> i wasn't advising anything :>
[01:28] <mrrcp> seventhsamuari: ?
[01:29] <seventhsamuari> mrrcp: CyberGhost
[01:29] <trism> craigbass1976: if you are doing actual drawings, mypaint is nice, not terribly heavy either
[01:29] <Gaming4JC> !wiki openvpn | seventhsamurai
[01:29] <seventhsamuari> Gaming4JC: How do I check for errors?
[01:29] <mrrcp> seventhsamuari: does it show a lock icon when u connect
 https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/openvpn.html
[01:29] <wylde> lovelymortal: reisio: " apt-get download packagename" will download the package to the current directory
[01:29] <seventhsamuari> mrrcp: Yes
[01:30] <Gaming4JC> seventhsamuari: that link from the wiki will help a bit. There's also some tutorials on youtube, etc...
[01:30] <mrrcp> ok
[01:30] <mrrcp> so you may have your DNS set incorrect
[01:30] <L6Fd77i6E> hello
[01:30] <craigbass1976> trism, I'm thinking just resize, crop, rotate, draw moustaches on people...
[01:30] <seventhsamuari> Gaming4JC: Thanks
[01:31] <reisio> 'lo L6Fd77i6E
[01:31] <lovelymortal> wylde thank you
[01:31] <Gaming4JC> leet speak piglatin?
[01:31] <L6Fd77i6E> hi
[01:31] <Gaming4JC> oh
[01:31] <L6Fd77i6E> i'm trying to understand how irc works
[01:32] <reisio> craigbass1976: if you click on an image you opened with the 'display' application from ImageMagick, that's a really light editor, too
[01:32] <daftykins> people message each other
[01:32] <Gaming4JC> hi.
[01:32] <daftykins> NEXT!
[01:32] <Gaming4JC> !welcome L6Fd77i6E
[01:32] <seventhsamuari> mrrcp: Is there any settings that would allow me to connect but not actually get out to the internet?
[01:32] <L6Fd77i6E> thank you!!!
 Sorry, I don't know anything about welcome
[01:32] <mrrcp> yea
[01:32] <mrrcp> you could have multiple settings incorrect
[01:33] <mrrcp> 1 sec i am reviewing their setup
[01:36] <daftykins> nn sirs, i wish you all a speedy resolution to your queries
[01:37] <mrrcp> seventhsamuari: pm me
[01:38] <mrrcp> seventhsamuari: you still around?  https://support.cyberghostvpn.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/395/89/how-to-use-cyberghost-vpn-with-openvpn-on-linux
[01:44] <lovelymortal> l
[01:44] <lovelymortal> im sorry that was for terminal
[01:45] <nerdtron> morning
[01:46] <FastCode> nerdtron: you realize this is an international(?) channel?
[01:46] <nerdtron> :)
[01:47] <lovelymortal> this is offtopic but when im in this channel its flooded with people coming in and leaving can i block that info?
[01:47] <nerdtron> lovelymortal, what irc client are you using?
[01:48] <lovelymortal> pidgin
[01:48] <FastCode> http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.xkcd.com%2Firc%2Fhide_join_part_messages&ei=zG4yUqieHMO14ATklIDADw&usg=AFQjCNHhbE3ZytDpZS0VC-VRQngp4BkPlw&sig2=vTSgQzg1htd7c7P3qUv-TQ&bvm=bv.52164340,d.bGE
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> lovelymortal, look in the preferences of the app your using, and name it.
[01:48] <wylde> lovelymortal: yes, how depends on waht irc client you're using
[01:48] <FastCode> sorry
[01:48] <FloodBot1> FastCode: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:48] <FastCode> wiki.xkcd.com/irc/hide_join_part_messages‎
[01:48] <FastCode> FloodBot1: I just hate you.
[01:49] <nerdtron> lovelymortal, Xchat is a lot better in IRC (just a recommendation)
[01:50] <lovelymortal> ill check that out once i go to #!
[01:53] <MsSayian> Whois frozen
[01:56] <LovelyMortal> ok im using xchat now
[02:15] <legend123> Hi there. I want to go for a lightweight linux distro that runs smoothly on my old computer but yet plays multimedia content on it. So should i go for ubuntu 13.04?
[02:17] <Dr|Craig> dsl
[02:17] <Dr|Craig> or puppy linux
[02:17] <legend123> i see
[02:17] <Dr|Craig> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Linux_distribution
[02:17] <HunterNorth> legend123: Probably not.  Ubuntu can be a bit heavy on system resources, Unity especially.  I'd suggest something like  xbuntu.
[02:18] <Tex_Nick> you might specify your PC/hardware
[02:19] <Tex_Nick> legend123 ^
[02:20] <Tex_Nick> legend123: that would give people a better understanding of the system capabilities
[02:21] <legend123> 1.8 GHz pentium processor, 20 gb hard disk, 1 gb ram.
[02:21] <Dr|Craig> CPU, ram HDD
[02:21] <legend123> *pentium 4 processor
[02:21] <Dr|Craig> it could handle ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[02:22] <rodhash> Guys any idea why NetworkManager keeps updating my resolv.conf?? I've installed 2 VMs with KVM but only one of them has this trouble
[02:24] <arctanx> rodhash: it just does that. If you have a static config in interfaces use the dns-nameservers attribute to make sure things stay in resolv.conf
[02:24] <legend123> Dr|Craig: Can i try linux mint? I have heard many good things about it.
[02:24] <Dr|Craig> personally I use linux mint
[02:24] <Radvendii> I'm having problems with starting up Ubuntu on my macbook pro, is there a more appropriate channel to pose my problem?
[02:24] <legend123> And does puppy linux allows playing restricted media content?
[02:24] <Dr|Craig> what do you use as an OS  now?
[02:25] <Dr|Craig> I have a MPB whats your issue
[02:25] <Dr|Craig> R^
[02:25] <Dr|Craig> Radvendii^
[02:25] <Radvendii> I installed ubuntu on a second partition, and when I try to boot into it several things go wrong
[02:25] <Radvendii> 1) it sometimes just freezes at the purple screen (of death :P)
[02:25] <Tex_Nick> legend123: a live CD would give you a good & quick idea of how different distros will perform :)
[02:26] <Radvendii> 2) It loads, but then the gui is replaced by a static-y image
[02:26] <Dr|Craig> did you isntall refind
[02:26] <Radvendii> that moves around when I move the mosue
[02:26] <Radvendii> mouse*
[02:26] <AcidRain2012> that was odd. just had a kernel panic unable to sync
[02:26] <rodhash> arctanx, do you mean including the nameservers in the resolv.conf manually? I did that, but every reboot the NM changes it
[02:26] <AcidRain2012> that reminded me of the bluescreen of death
[02:26] <Radvendii> I installed rEFIt
[02:26] <Dr|Craig> ah
[02:26] <Tex_Nick> legend123: live USB would be better
[02:26] <Dr|Craig> http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
[02:26] <Radvendii> is it better?
[02:27] <Dr|Craig> it is updated so it has more support for it
[02:27] <Radvendii> ah.
[02:27] <Radvendii> I'll try that, thanks.
[02:27] <Dr|Craig> yep np
[02:27] <arctanx> rodhash: Nope. Either set your DNS server in your NM network configuration, or if you have another interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces, put your manual DNS entry in /etc/network/interfaces using "dns-nameserver" instead of in /etc/resolv.conf, where it will get clobbered by NM
[02:27] <Radvendii> I tried it before, but someone said I would need the "gtksomethingorother" of rEFIt
[02:27] <Radvendii> So I switched
[02:27] <Radvendii> something to fix the partition tables i think
[02:27] <arctanx> rodhash: "dns-nameservers" sorry
[02:27] <Radvendii> is that not needed?
[02:28] <Radvendii> Dr|Craig:
[02:29] <Dr|Craig> that as also another issue, when I installed it I custom partition setup and installed grub on the ubuntu install
[02:29] <Radvendii> How would I check if I did that?
[02:30] <Radvendii> i think i didn't. because the Grub startup appears first in the rEFIt menu, whereas in screenshots I've seen it's always second
[02:30] <Dr|Craig> you used 13.10
[02:31] <Radvendii> ah
[02:31] <Radvendii> okay
[02:31] <Dr|Craig> or 13.04*
[02:31] <Tex_Nick> legend123: if you're thinking about using mint ... the mint help channel is on the irc.spotchat.org server
[02:31] <Dr|Craig> sorry
[02:31] <Radvendii> yeah
[02:31] <Radvendii> 13.04
[02:31] <Radvendii> is it still installed in the ubuntu partition?
[02:31] <Radvendii> I don't need to worry abou thtat?
[02:31] <Dr|Craig> yah you dont
[02:31] <Radvendii> alright
[02:31] <Radvendii> awesome
[02:31] <Radvendii> thanks
[02:36] <Gnarly> though isn't it most things that pertain to ubuntu mostly apply to mint as well, as they share most of the same code?
[02:36] <kparaju_> I'm having some dependency issues trying to install netflix-desktop. I'm running Elementary OS Luna. Everything is up to date. Here's the problem I'm seeing (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6099777/)  Here are my sources.list and sources.list.d http://paste.ubuntu.com/6099778/ & http://paste.ubuntu.com/6099780/
[02:36] <kparaju_> Any suggestions on what I should try next?
[02:38] <savr> somehow I got nameserver 127.0.0.1 being appended to resolv.conf and it is no where in the resolv.conf.d/ folder
[02:41] <jrib> savr: yes, that's normal
[02:41] <DarkAceLaptop> how do I find out what's eating up all my CPU?
[02:41] <wylde> cd
[02:42] <jrib> savr: you'll notice you have dnsmasq running too
[02:42] <savr> jrib: I've disable dnsmasq from /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[02:42] <savr> and it's still there
[02:42] <nerdtron> DarkAceLaptop, top command and see the top process
[02:42] <jrib> savr: how did you disable it exactly?  did you restart network manager?
[02:43] <DarkAceLaptop> thanks!
[02:43] <savr> jrib: commented it out and restarted
[02:43] <blackangelofdebt> i cant paste in terminal
[02:43] <nerdtron> blackangelofdebt, ctrl+ shift + v
[02:43] <blackangelofdebt> thx
[02:44] <DarkAceLaptop> why doesn't the "System Monitor" show that? :P
[02:44] <blackangelofdebt> awesome
[02:44] <blackangelofdebt> just got youtube-dl
[02:44] <blackangelofdebt> minitube doesnt dl
[02:44] <blackangelofdebt> maybe i neglected to enter a command
[02:45] <jrib> savr: what did you restart?
[02:45] <savr> http://askubuntu.com/questions/201603/how-do-i-edit-my-resolv-conf-file
[02:45] <savr> as per this^^
[02:46] <nerdtron> DarkAceLaptop, i'm not familiar with gnome system monitor.. i'm in xubuntu :)
[02:46] <jrib> savr: i'm asknig you what you did
[02:46] <blackangelofdebt> can commands be entered to erminal while using youtube-dl?
[02:46] <nerdtron> blackangelofdebt, minitube downloads youtube video for me.. what version did you install?
[02:46] <savr> jrib: sudo restart network-manager
[02:47] <DarkAceLaptop> whenever there's something really eating away at my CPU, that program won't show it for whatever reason
[02:47] <blackangelofdebt> nerdtron, do you need to enter a command in terminal?
[02:47] <DarkAceLaptop> now I can finally find the naughty programs \o/
[02:47] <savr> blackangelofdebt: append & and send the process to the background
[02:47] <blackangelofdebt> they always fail instantly
[02:47] <nerdtron> blackangelofdebt, for what?
[02:47] <blackangelofdebt> append?
[02:47] <blackangelofdebt> minitube
[02:47] <blackangelofdebt> i got the version from software center
[02:47] <blackangelofdebt> DLs failed immediately
[02:47] <nerdtron> blackangelofdebt, no...there is download button when using minitube
[02:48] <M3tabaron> anyone here from Poland?
[02:48] <blackangelofdebt> i used it
[02:48] <nerdtron> 13.04?
[02:48] <blackangelofdebt> doesnt work
[02:48] <nerdtron> sorry
[02:48] <blackangelofdebt> shit happens
[02:48] <nerdtron> anyway..you can open a new terminal or tab when you want to enter commands while the other program is downloading
[02:49] <jrib> savr: did your connection actually drop and reconnect when you did that?
[02:49] <savr> yes
[02:50] <jrib> savr: and nm places 127.0.0.1 back in there if you remove it?
[02:50] <nerdtron> savr, did you edit your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[02:51] <savr> jrib: hmm didn't try that. I just tried resolvconf -u
[02:51] <savr> nerdtron: no
[02:51] <R0b0t1> Hi, why does the 12.04 CD distribution actually not fit on a CD?
[02:52] <nerdtron> R0b0t1, depends on your cd...some are 650MB other are 700MB
[02:52] <R0b0t1> It's over 700MB
[02:52] <R0b0t1> So it won't fit on any CD
[02:52] <nerdtron> R0b0t1, you can use a dvd of a usb flash drive to install ubuntu
[02:53] <nerdtron> *or a usb flash drive
[02:53] <R0b0t1> http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[02:53] <R0b0t1> even the one here is 708MB
[02:53] <R0b0t1> nerdtron: No, I can not. The BIOS does not support it.
[02:53] <Hilikus> my ubuntu hangs ~ 4/5 times when i turn it off. it doesn't fully shut down because of this. the last thing i see in the log is
[02:53] <Hilikus> Sep 12 00:33:35 hilikus-pc gnome-session[1684]: Gtk-CRITICAL: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed
[02:53] <bjrohan>  I have been using Kubuntu for quite a while now. When I am ready to upgrade to 13.10, can I do a "fresh" install and yet keep all of my installed programs and their data. I figure I could keep anything in my home direectory for sure
[02:53] <Hilikus> any ideas how to fix this?
[02:54] <R0b0t1> I guess if the ubuntu image can
[02:54] <bozonius> Using Zorin OS which is basically ubuntu; not too many people in their channel.  How do I get 1280x1040 mode.
[02:54] <bozonius> ?
[02:54] <R0b0t1> 't be burned to CD is there another live system I could try that is good with hardware detection?
[02:54] <nerdtron> R0b0t1, if your BIOS does not support it, maybe your computer is too old? Xubuntu or Lubuntu may be a good fit?
[02:55] <wylde> !display | bozonius
[02:55] <bozonius> able to get 1280x960 but not 1280x1040.  This is in VirtualBox, but my Ubuntu VM works at 1280x1040
[02:55] <jrib> bozonius: this channel is only for ubuntu help; we can't support all the unofficial derivatives here
[02:55] <bozonius> sure, thanks jrib.  that helps!
[02:56] <nerdtron> bjrohan, do a manual paritioning install and define the root partition. don't format...you still need to install apps..but their data will be preserved
[02:56] <R0b0t1> nerdtron: Their sysinit is the same as ubuntu with different UI?
[02:56] <R0b0t1> I will look
[02:56] <R0b0t1> But no it's a Core 2 Quad
[02:56] <nerdtron> R0b0t1, yes...
[02:57] <nerdtron> O.o??? you sure there is no option to boot from USB???
[02:57] <nerdtron> R0b0t1, or do you have a DVD drive?
[02:57] <bjrohan> nerdtron: Thanks. If I understand you, I can download the image, do an install, during that install create a new partition to put Root on, install it, then I can remove my existing Root items on their current partition when the install is done
[02:58] <R0b0t1> nerdtron: ...........................................................
[02:58] <R0b0t1> the xubuntu image is 712MB
[02:58] <R0b0t1> what the fuck happened
[02:59] <R0b0t1> If you're going to pass 700MB just include a lot more crap anyway, no reason to hover around 700
[03:00] <IdleOne> !language | R0b0t1
[03:04] <jgk> #ubuntu-india
[03:06] <somsip> !in | jgk
[03:07] <jgk> oh thanks
[03:12] <goosie2020> any idea why when i change my wallpaper it only does it for my main workspace and not for all of them?
[03:14] <delinquentme> is there a way to access the output from a program while its running?
[03:14] <delinquentme> say I fire off a process ... using ./blah &
[03:14] <delinquentme> that process is assigned an ID
[03:14] <Mitchell_> i have ubuntu 12.04 64-bit LTS
[03:15] <Mitchell_> anyone know why my WPA2-AES network is not letting me access the gateway or beyond?
[03:15] <Mitchell_> can't ping it
[03:17] <Mitchell_> i have have an IP through it and it looks like from /var/log/syslog that  the entire wireless handshake/hookup has occurred with all the correct settings
[03:17] <Mitchell_> i just can't get to the gateway or beyond
[03:25] <FastCode> @everyone talking about disk sizes:There are 750MB,800MB CDs out there.
[03:25] <fragmer> Greetings. I need some help. I seem to be unable to upgrade a package to the latest version with aptitude. I'm using Ubuntu 12.04.3 via ssh (headless server).
[03:25] <fragmer> The package in question is "znc", and I tried "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" commands already. My installed version is 0.206-1, but I see that a newer one is available (1.0-2): http://paste.ubuntu.com/6099933/
[03:26] <fragmer> Is there a way to force this newer version to be installed/upgraded?
[03:26] <FastCode> apt-get -f install znc=1.0-2
[03:26] <ddboline> quit
[03:26] <ddboline> exit
[03:27] <fragmer> Thank you, FastCode. I'll give it a try (which will probably disconnect me)
[03:27] <nonick> Hi guys
[03:41] <linuxuz3r> how much ram does ip5s have?
[03:44] <jgk> linuxuz3r, 90000
[03:44] <jgk> :D
[03:44] <jgk> jk
[03:47] <FastCode> linuxuz3r: not enough, probably. there are 12 pages(in my screen) of tech specs in their site and no info on ram.
[03:47] <linuxuz3r> ok
[03:49] <MrMonkey31> could I get installer help/general OS wisdom here? I'm ex-windows
[03:50] <FastCode> MrMonkey31: yes, thats why 'here' exists.
[03:50] <fragmer> FastCode, your suggestion has indeed worked. Thank you very much. Cheers.
[03:51] <FastCode> fragmer: you're welcome.
[03:51] <AcidRain2012> yall know what we need? to make this ubuntu related: library that can be plugged into gimp.  we need: reflective colors ;) so i can see my room while i program from the transparent gedit window
[03:52] <MrMonkey31> thx fastcode!  basically I want to know what it did to wind up with 3 partitions in the end (or the beginning since it's an installation I'm talking about here). I think I chose 'something else' aka customized partitions 1st, then I changed my mind and went back to default, where I must have chosen about 1/2 of my ssd to use for ubuntu, towards the end.  it made a swap partition which I got from google, but there's 2 overly small partitions 
[03:52] <Sengkuni> Thats named: Sharing.
[03:52] <FastCode> AcidRain2012: cool idea, but you should probably ask some flat panel manufacturer for that.
[03:53] <FastCode> MrMonkey31: how small are we talking?
[03:54] <MrMonkey31> there's a 12.3 gig that I recognize as my official partition, and an 8.1 gig that's unexplained.  it has most but not all the folders in the root as the 12 giger does, including and empty /home
[03:54] <FastCode> 1st can be root, second can be boot or home, and third is the swap
[03:55] <AcidRain2012> FastCode, yeah i know :). i was just thinking. if GIMP has the option to select a reflective color, then the TV makers made it so when a reflective color was detected it would mirror the background, that would be dope
[03:55] <FastCode> 1st is home, second is root
[03:55] <MrMonkey31>  FastCode, if only it were that simple.  I think the installer automatically chose a scheme of some sort or other. I actually wanted the swap to not have its own separate partition, but having a 12 and an 8 instead of a 20 for my use seems so far out of left field so to speak...
[03:56] <MrMonkey31> so my question is just, do we know the installer as offering such schemes, or is it a fluke
[03:56] <FastCode> you can remove the swap partition any time and use the space for whatever you want
[03:57] <FastCode> its standard
[03:58] <FastCode> not an ISO standrad, all linux distros choose partitions like this, more or less
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> how can i tail -f all logs in computer and not only syslog.1 in realtime?
[03:59] <Stryke> how can i dual boot windows xp with my ubuntu 12.04? I already have ubuntu 12.04 installed on my system and i want to install windows xp on the same hard drive. how can i do this? all the tutorials i see are for windows machines and not ubuntu
[03:59] <MrMonkey31> Fastcode, ...yeah if I had got 2 partitions expecting a single one, but 3 partitions is what I ended up with (where I thought I was getting 1)
[03:59] <FastCode> cd /var/log; for f in *;do tail -f $f;done
[04:00] <FastCode> MrMonkey31: so you want to remove the swap or not?it doesn't take more than a few seconds
[04:00] <FastCode> cd /var/log; for f in *;do tail -f $f &;done
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> FastCode: the whole line?
[04:00] <FastCode> note the ampersand I missed.it's the key.
[04:00] <FastCode> lotuspsychje: yes
[04:00] <MrMonkey31> really all I want is to delete the 8 gig partition with the mystery files on it.  and then use the space to expand my main partition
[04:01] <MrMonkey31> that's not asking much is it?!
[04:01] <MrMonkey31> but will ubuntu explode upon doing this?
[04:01] <FastCode> the mystery files you're talking about is tho OS
[04:01] <FastCode> the*
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> Stryke, Generally having windows in the first partition a primary is easiest access for fixing. XP is end of life in about 200 days though.
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> FastCode: bash: syntaxerror ;
[04:03] <Stryke> wilee-nilee it doesnt matter, i only need windows for monitoring my printers ink levels (which appears to be very difficult in ubuntu) and MAYBE use it for adobe photoshop, altho i can use win with that and/or prolly start learning GIMP
[04:03] <Stryke> use *wine
[04:03] <FastCode> lotuspsychje: I fixed the command, but there is another problem which I'm afraid stop you to do what you want.
[04:03] <wilee-nilee> Stryke, If thats all you need it for I would put it in a vm.
[04:04] <FastCode> inotify cannot be used, reverting to polling: Too many open files
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> Fastcode: im just looking for a central way to fast see what happens on computer
[04:05] <FastCode>  for f in *; do (tail -f $f &);done
[04:05] <MrMonkey31> Fastcode, thanks for trying. ubuntu > me
[04:05] <Stryke> wilee-nilee the thing is, this system is pretty old and i doubt it can handle a VM well, but i did thought of that, and would prolly give that a try aswell
[04:05] <wilee-nilee> Stryke, For more details on a HD install though run sudo fdisk -l and pastebin it so we can see whats there now, or take a screenshot of gparted.
[04:05] <FastCode> MrMonkey31: you can still disable swap, that will give you a few gigs back
[04:06] <FastCode> lotuspsychje: have you tried: tail -f /var/log/*
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> FastCode: works now, seems like its spamming in terminal :p
[04:07] <MrMonkey31> I could even try reinstalling but I'll probably wind up trying some tweaks and apps first
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> FastCode: lemme try holdon
[04:07] <FastCode> pkill tail before trying something eles
[04:07] <FastCode> else*
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> FastCode: cool! seems like that one works
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> FastCode: lemme try that in colortail now :p
[04:08] <Stryke> wilee-nilee but before that let me ask you this, do you think i could run an XP VM on a system with an amd athlon 2.2ghz single, and 1gb of ram running ubuntu 12.04 as native OS. i know its not much, and i am out of options since my mac and windows laptop died in the same month.
[04:09] <wilee-nilee> Stryke, Seems a bit light.
[04:09] <Stryke> wilee-nilee and would you recommend and vmware that i can use aside from virtualbox for ubuntu?
[04:09] <FastCode> Stryke: only if your cpu supports amd-v
[04:09] <Stryke> FastCode amd-v?
[04:09] <wilee-nilee> Stryke, I've never used vm just vbox
[04:09] <FastCode> hardware virtualization
[04:09] <Stryke> FastCode please enlighten me
[04:09] <Stryke> i see
[04:10] <Stryke> i used vbox before on my laptop
[04:10] <FastCode> lscpu|grep Virtualization
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> FastCode: i think syslog.1 only might color up on colortail
[04:11] <Stryke> i had win 7 as native and i tried installing iatkos (Mac OS X Lion vm) and its freakingly slow
[04:11] <wilee-nilee> Stryke, Dualbooting is fairly east it is just a manner od setting it up right and knowing how to reload the mbr if needed. You will have to reload the grub bootloader is all, and there is an gui app bootrepair that will do it here.
[04:11] <wilee-nilee> of*
[04:11] <Stryke> wilee-nilee and yes i just saw that now, using boot-repair
[04:12] <Stryke> wilee-nilee but my question now is, after for example repairing grub2 with boot-repair on an ubuntu live cd, after i restart would that give me the grub2 boot loader screen so i could choose between xp and ubuntu?
[04:12] <samson> with fcron, is it possible to start the next job after the next interval, taking into account the runtime of the last job?
[04:14] <wilee-nilee> Stryke, Grub will pickup the XP and you can choose ot from the grub menu. You run sudo update-grub to update when needed.
[04:14] <FastCode> Stryke: If you're *ONLY* trying to see if *bootloader* works(*NOT any of the OSs*), then you may fall in love with this command:qemu-system-x86_64 -m 512 -hda /dev/sda
[04:15] <Stryke> wilee-nilee alright, will try that now
[04:15] <Stryke> wilee-nilee, thanks mate
[04:15] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[04:46] <smw94> can i upgrade python 2.7.4 on ubuntu 13.04 to python 3.3 ?
[04:47] <FastCode> smw94: apt-get install python3.3
[04:47] <FastCode> smw94: and If there are no errors, then you can
[04:48] <zaya> hi
[04:48] <FastCode> Hi
[04:50] <juan_> !
[04:54] <smw94> FastCode: its saying i've already had newest version
[04:54] <smw94> FastCode: but i checked, its still 2.7.4
[04:54] <FastCode> apt-get update
[04:55] <smw94> FastCode: still 2.7.4
[04:56] <juan_> Just installed irc..anyone out there? Do people actually talk on this lol
[04:56] <FastCode> cat /etc/issue
[05:03] <wilee-nilee> juan_, this is support not chat you can read the channel header and links, if you like.
[05:06] <FastCode> you want chat?come here talk with us friendly people at ubuntu-offtopic
[05:07] <hero100> how to compress a jpg file?
[05:07] <salamandre43025> Hi all
[05:07] <hero100> I mean what software do you recommend?
[05:07] <Base-Dev> hero100, use GIMP.
[05:07] <zhangxun> I am coming
[05:08] <hero100> gimp is too complex
[05:09] <salamandre43025> I'm having serious issues with 12.04  LTS. Accidentally loaded Windows after apparmor update and now the splash won't even loax
[05:09] <salamandre43025> *load
[05:09] <hero100> a small and simple tool I can learn how to use in several minutes
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> doesnt shottwell have jpg compression?
[05:12] <salamandre43025> Also I might be having issues with the nvidia_current 319 drivers (from ubuntu repos)
[05:13] <salamandre43025> I need a guide to recovery root shell-- how to get read/write access
[05:14] <hero100> the size becomes bigger after export from shottwell
[05:18] <salamandre43025> Nm just worked it out
[05:19] <Genyar> Is anyone here?
[05:20] <Genyar> I tried coming here 2 hours ago, but it didn't work
[05:20] <Genyar> I went to wrong room by accident
[05:20] <Genyar> I thought I was in the support room, but it was kubuntu
[05:20] <Genyar> Is this the support room?
[05:21] <Genyar> I need some help with GParted
[05:21] <xmetal> !ask
[05:21] <Genyar> I"m using the Gnome Partition Editor and trying to format my hard drive
[05:23] <Genyar> Well, not format it
[05:23] <Genyar> I want to erase all the data on the hard disk, so I can cleanly install Kubuntu 12.04
[05:24] <xmetal> a format would do it
[05:24] <hero100> salamandre43025, just try each option in recovery mode, it's difficult to remember what options these are
[05:24] <xmetal> wow @ never seen this channel this quiet before
[05:24] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, The installer has a use the whole HD option.
[05:24] <Genyar> I already deleted all the partitions using the Windows XP installation CD's partition program, fdisk? orwhatever
[05:25] <hero100> ubuntu live cd will do the job
[05:25] <Genyar> so, now I have 466 GB of unallocated space
[05:25]  * xmetal agrees 100% with wilee-nilee
[05:25] <hero100> you can use the default option
[05:26] <xmetal> if you want to use the entire HDD, the partition "editor" in the installer itself will do it
[05:26] <Genyar> But in spite of all that empty space, I think there are some Windows leftovers still in the hard drive, and that's why the Kubuntu 12.04 installation CD doesn't work
[05:26] <xmetal> oh thats not good ... i'd make sure the CD worked before i wiped out windows, honestly
[05:26] <Genyar> But I could be wrong
[05:26] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, explain doesn't work.
[05:27] <xmetal> (example - dualboot, then when you know kubuntu works, remove the windows paritition (and grub entries) in kubuntu)
[05:27] <xmetal> (if you do not want windows anymore that is)
[05:27] <wilee-nilee> windows files would not block a install anyway
[05:27] <xmetal> again, wilie has it correct :)
[05:27] <Genyar> The installation CD always works, but it keeps getting stuck at the same point
[05:28] <xmetal> hmm if its stuck then it is ... not working
[05:28]  * xmetal scratches head
[05:28] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, You need to be exact with this info to get any real info.
[05:28] <wilee-nilee> help rather
[05:28] <xmetal> where is it getting stuck?
[05:28] <Genyar> at the root drive
[05:28] <hero100> as xmetal said, make sure the cd worked. not as a video cd or something as
[05:28] <Genyar> this has been going on for months
[05:29] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, root drive?
[05:29] <Genyar> I gave up a few weeks ago
[05:29] <xmetal> i'd redownload the cd
[05:29] <xmetal> but that is not good if you formatted windows already
[05:29] <xmetal> (well you could use another machine of course)
[05:29] <xmetal> thats obvious
[05:29] <Genyar> The installation CD was already tested and checked after I burned it
[05:29] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, Take a screenshot of gparted and imagebin it.
[05:30] <xmetal> i still dont get what "stuck on the root drive" means
[05:30] <wilee-nilee> or kparted since its kubuntu
[05:30] <Genyar> that would take a while
[05:30] <hero100> in my opinion, usb installer is more easier and more faster to use.
[05:30] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, why?
[05:30] <Genyar> I'm not familiar with Gparted and how to transfer to the USB jump drive
[05:31] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, the live kubuntu has kparted.
[05:31] <xmetal> i lost track what the issue is now
[05:31] <xmetal> lol
[05:31] <Genyar> Using the USB jump drive installer is more complicated than the CD
[05:31] <xmetal> i think i need a snack
[05:31] <wilee-nilee> !screenshot | Genyar
[05:32] <Genyar> there's nothing on the screen to screencapture
[05:32] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, open kparted
[05:32] <Genyar> It just says 466 GB unallocated
[05:32] <Genyar> 0 operations pending
[05:33] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, So if you close kparted, hit the install and choose the whole HD you get errors?
[05:34] <Genyar> No errors
[05:34] <xmetal> a problem (though i am not clear on what it is stuck on) means a problem with the iso download OR the burn of that ISO
[05:34] <xmetal> not "leftover windows files"
[05:34] <Genyar> Someone found file errors
[05:34] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, Is it that you are trying to have a separate home, and it is there on the install you error?
[05:34] <Genyar> Like 2,000 file errors
[05:34] <Genyar> But no sector errors
[05:35] <xmetal> file errors on unallocated space?
[05:35] <Genyar> No, the problem is the root
[05:35] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, That makes no sense.
[05:35] <Genyar> No, the file errors were seen when I still had the Windows partitions
[05:36] <gr33n7007h> How do you format a usb disk to factory settings using linux
[05:36] <Genyar> Actually, they may have been Linux partitions mixed in with the windows partitions
[05:36] <wilee-nilee> gr33n7007h, Factory settings?
[05:36] <Genyar> I have a journal of everthing that happened, it happpened about a week ago
[05:37] <xmetal> i must have low sugar or something .. .almost nothing is making sense
[05:37] <xmetal> hmm
[05:37] <gr33n7007h> wilee-nilee, Well it's got a partition at /dev/sdb1 but i don't want no partitions on it
[05:37] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, Just install, it sounds like you basically are not clear on doing this is all.
[05:37] <Genyar> Yeah, I have tried to install it about 50 times over the last 3 months
[05:37] <gr33n7007h> will dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512k do it?
[05:38] <wilee-nilee> gr33n7007h, A stock usb would have a partition, just format it with gparted.
[05:38] <Genyar> Each time, it always gets stuck at the root drive
[05:38] <xmetal> i STILL do not know what that means
[05:38] <gr33n7007h> wilee-nilee, No i created it one time
[05:38] <Genyar> I have written in my journal everthing that happned during each install
[05:38] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, That makes no sense, try it now with it unallocated and choose the whole HD.
[05:38] <Genyar> so I have a lot of notes, I also took screen shots
[05:39] <Genyar> I did that already and it didn't work
[05:39] <wilee-nilee> Genyar, Well I can not help you it seems, maybe another can. ;)
[05:39] <gr33n7007h> wilee-nilee, will dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512k do it?
[05:39] <xmetal> glad to see someone else say that ... i thought i was losing it there
[05:39] <xmetal> lol
[05:39] <wilee-nilee> gr33n7007h, I don;t do dd.
[05:40] <gr33n7007h> wilee-nilee, wheres gparted located
[05:40] <Genyar> Yeah, I've talked to a dozen people about it here and at the unviersity, and at the store, and at the tech suppport office, everyone one tells me a different story
[05:40] <Genyar> So, I just have to keep trying on my own
[05:40] <Genyar> No one knows Linux
[05:41] <Genyar> they only know Windows
[05:41] <Genyar> this has been happening for months now
[05:41] <gr33n7007h> doesn't matter found it
[05:41] <xmetal> i dont even know what the issue is
[05:41] <xmetal> and i know both OS's
[05:41] <xmetal> lol
[05:41] <Genyar> I'm just going to keep tryhing it on my own
[05:42] <Genyar> I"m using the Websites and the books
[05:42] <Genyar> they have been more helpful than the people, ironically
[05:42] <Genyar> they explain things better
[05:42] <gr33n7007h> wilee-nilee, it says 2.16GB Primary 5.23GB unallocated ???
[05:42] <gr33n7007h> is it broke
[05:43] <Genyar> The hard drive is working, it's an IDE drive, 466 GB
[05:43] <Genyar> It has no sector errors
[05:43] <Genyar> But I'll test it again, this time with GParted
[05:45] <Genyar> I"m going to erase all the data on the hard disk, then create a partition table
[05:45] <Genyar> with GParted
[05:45] <memand> What program is recommended for setting up a mail server? I have an ubuntu server at my disposal and would like to try setting up e-mail for the users, since it's modtly for fun and the sake of learning I'm open for multiple sugestions and some pros/cons on them :)
[05:45] <Genyar> but I don't know which filesystem to use when I create the partition table
[05:45] <Genyar> it appears that I may not have a choice
[05:46] <Genyar> I think it automatically uses the DOS format
[05:46] <gr33n7007h> wilee-nilee, If installing a live linux ISO which filesystem should I use?
[05:46]  * xmetal thinks PEBKAC may be to blame
[05:47] <xmetal> i use either Ext3 or Ext4 (i am not expert on either) ... perhaps just out of force of habit
[05:47] <xmetal> (not counting swap of course)
[05:47] <Genyar> HOw do you test the hard drive for errors?
[05:47] <gr33n7007h> xmetal, is that for me ?
[05:48] <xmetal> no
[05:48] <Genyar> ext3 is a linux file format?
[05:48] <gr33n7007h> xmetal, oh sorry my mistake
[05:49] <xmetal> no problem
[05:50] <memand> Genyar: yes, ext3 is linux
[05:50] <memand> I think BSD can use it too
[05:50] <Genyar> I FOUND IT: mY problem was at the "Prepare Partitions" section of the installation of Kubuntu 12.04
[05:51] <Genyar> It kept saying "No root file system is defined"
[05:51] <Genyar> then it told me, "Please correct this from the partitioning menu"
[05:52] <Genyar> And when I went to the partitioning menu, nothing would work, I couldn't touch any of the partitions or make any changes
[05:53] <Genyar> this happened several times, because I kept trying to install 12.04 over and over again using the installation CD
[05:54] <Genyar> I know the installation CD is good because I burned it using Nero and I chose to check the ISO image for errors after the burn
[05:56] <gr33n7007h> Ok it did it guys/girls thanks
[06:02] <estudiante> d
[06:02] <jumachirolareiol> Hello, I'm using ubuntu OS 13.4 and now fully updated, but unfortunately I can not make the flash player to work.
[06:03] <estudiante> lol
[06:03] <iceroot> jumachirolareiol: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree   after that restart your browser and it should work
[06:03] <estudiante> sdc
[06:03] <estudiante> sdac
[06:03] <estudiante> sd
[06:03] <estudiante> c
[06:03] <estudiante> sd
[06:03] <estudiante> c
[06:03] <FloodBot1> estudiante: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:07] <jumachirolareiol> Oh, yes right now, thanks for all, have a great day.
[06:09] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys quick question
[06:10] <Psil0Cybin> is it normal to have haldaemon in your user group
[06:10] <Psil0Cybin> file?
[06:10] <Psil0Cybin> like rootkit hunter picked up that i had changes to my user file and it picked up this account as added
[06:10] <Psil0Cybin> haldaemon
[06:11] <Psil0Cybin> better question would be what is the purpose of the haldaemon group?
[06:14] <xmetal> back
[06:15] <tasslehoff> I'm connected directly to a box I'm testing, and have started avahi-autoipd. After a few minutes avahi-daemon withdraws the address. Help :)
[06:16] <tasslehoff> it also says something about the interface no longer being relevant for mDNS
[06:29] <quem> good lord. i just accidentally reset my freecell solitaire statistics. anyway to restore them?
[06:51] <tasslehoff> It's NetworkManager that screws up my connection. After 5 minutes it tries to "Auto-Activate connection" and takes away my link-local address.
[06:54] <helmut_> hi
[06:55] <Sengkuni> hi helgikrs
[06:55] <Sengkuni> hi helmut_
[06:57] <Sengkuni> wb xrc
[06:58] <xrc> hey Sengkuni
[06:58] <bazhang> Sengkuni, please stop that
[07:15] <helmut_> hi
[07:27] <Ramtron> yo!
[07:28] <stemid> why is tab completion so retarded in ubuntu when it comes to lvm tools? I know how to fix it in theory but I think it's retarded from the start because some developer for the distro made a pretty stupid design decision. in debian it works wonderfully, to expand /dev devices with lvextend, vgextend and so forth. but on ubuntu it's always a PITA
[07:28] <stemid> first world problem, I know
[07:29] <stemid> but on every other distro I never have to type out all these paths when expanding disks
[07:32] <stemid> the final step resize2fs always works well with tab completion, so for some reason bash auto completion is only borked for lvm tools.
[07:34] <xrc> join,rage,quit - the quickes way to build a community and fix some issues ^^
[07:34] <avnish> helllo
[07:35] <aeon-ltd> hello
[07:37] <avnish> heloo  to all
[07:37] <Wiz_KeeD> hello guys
[07:37] <xrc> hey
[07:38] <avnish> iam using ubuntu 12.0 but speakers are not working
[07:39] <avnish> why
[07:39] <Wiz_KeeD> Can someone please help me install the broadcom wirelss driver? It's such a difficult task for medium-level linux person like me
[07:40] <avnish> can any body help me
[07:41] <bazhang> !helpme | avnish
[07:41] <bazhang> !broadcom | Wiz_KeeD have a read
[07:41] <Wiz_KeeD> bazhang, thank you very much!
[07:41] <avnish> ok
[07:42] <igw3> miss this space
[07:49] <Wiz_KeeD> bazhang, I get an error when doing  sudo apt-get --reinstall install bcmwl-kernel-source
[07:49] <Wiz_KeeD> :(
[07:51] <kakakak> s'
[07:52] <kakaakak> guys whenever i run the command apt-get install it says package has no installation candidate. help!
[07:54] <Wiz_KeeD> Can anyone help with this please?
[07:54] <kakaakak_> guys whenever i type sudo apt-get install pkg i get error saying package pkg has no installation candidate
[07:55] <kakaakak_> guys whenever i type sudo apt-get install pkg i get error saying package pkg has no installation candidate eg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6100582/ help!
[07:55] <DJones> !java | kakaakak_
[07:56] <kakaakak_> DJones: not just java, any package i run apt-get install i get same error
[07:56] <kakaakak_> DJones: that was just an example
[07:56] <DJones> kakaakak_: Try running sudo apt-get update to refresh the repository database, then try again
[07:57] <kakaakak_> DJones: still same error. i had control C-ed a dpkg operation, could that be a problem
[07:58] <DJones> kakaakak_: ok, if you wait around here, somebody should be able to help you diagnose & solve the issue
[07:58] <Wiz_KeeD> DJones, you are the only one who can save me :D
[07:59] <DJones> Wiz_KeeD: Sorry, I've not used broadcom for a long time, I wouldn't like to make any suggestions
[07:59] <Wiz_KeeD> ah I understand, thank you DJones :D
[08:00] <kakaakak_> DJones: for some reason sudo apt-get install vlc didnt give me that error. when i run apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager it gives me the same error. it says it might be obsolete or not there and points me to download compiz-core, when i run apt-get install compiz core it says couldn't find installation candidate. do compiz and sun java require ppa's to be added?
[08:00] <DJones> kakaakak_: What version of Ubuntu are you using
[08:00] <kakaakak_> kakaakak_: 13.04
[08:02] <wilee-nilee> kakaakak_, run this command and pastebin it. grep -vr "^#" /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/}
[08:02] <kakaakak_> DJones: 13.04
[08:02] <kakaakak_> wilee-nilee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6100604/
[08:05] <Wiz_KeeD> Anyone else can give some help with the broadcom wireless dirver?
[08:07] <shivani> Hi , I am trying to install openssh-server in a vm (ubuntu 12.04.2 ) but the package is not being located.
[08:07] <kakaakak_> wilee-nilee: any thoughts?
[08:07] <shivani> Is there a wok around to install the server for ssh?
[08:07] <kakaakak_> shivani: ssh should be there by default
[08:07] <wilee-nilee> kakaakak_, YOu are missing a couple of repos, use this generator to make a new list, and add the google talk plugin to it. http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[08:08] <wilee-nilee> basically I think you are missing the backports and the partner repos
[08:09] <wilee-nilee> kakaakak_, The google one is fine where its at.
[08:10] <Wiz_KeeD> Would you guys recommend I add this repository and install as it is stated in askubuntu?
[08:10] <Wiz_KeeD> http://askubuntu.com/questions/172698/how-do-i-install-sublime-text-2
[08:10] <cfhowlett> !ppa
[08:10] <kakaakak_> wilee-nilee: i wonder why it is missing, using the same iso i had installed ubunt on another system as well
[08:11] <shivani> kakaakak_: Its not :\
[08:11] <wilee-nilee> kakaakak_, Not sure those are stock repos.
[08:12] <shivani> kakaakak_: the openssh-client is installed but not the server
[08:12] <Guest48175> how to change download location of youtube-dl in ubuntu
[08:12] <shivani> and so I cannot ssh into my vm from my local machine
[08:12] <kakaakak_> shivani: run sudo apt-get install openssh-server?
[08:13] <shivani> Package 'openssh-server' has no installation candidate
[08:13] <shivani> kakaakak_:  ^
[08:13] <kakaakak_> shivani: sudo apt-get update
[08:13] <kakaakak_> then sudo apt-get openssh-server
[08:13] <kakaakak_> sudo apt-get install openssh-server <-this one
[08:14] <marloshouse> samba timestamp issue... not sure if this is an issue with samba or ubuntu... the timestamps on files copied from windows are wrong.  they're either ~right-now~ or 1/1/1980 rather than the timestamp of the windows source file...
[08:14] <kakaakak_> is there a way i can get my account unbanned from ubuntu channel. i still dont know why was i banned.
[08:15] <cfhowlett> kakaakak_, ask the moderators
[08:15] <cfhowlett> !ban
[08:16] <Guest57980> exit
[08:16] <DJones> kakaakak_: You're in the Ubuntu channel, what makes you think you've been banned
[08:16] <Guest7625> I have a system in a couple of hundred coffee shops and bars - has worked well for years - with kernel 3.2.0-53-generic it hangs from time to time - how do I remove this newer kernel?
[08:16] <kakaakak_> DJones: this is temp, old account was banned idk why
[08:17] <DJones> kakaakak_: Can you join #ubuntu-ops to give some details
[08:17] <kakaakak_> DJones: i dont mess around with people at all. only come on irc when i have genuine doubts but one fine day i was banned. yes sir that is the plan. going thru irc guidelines
[08:18] <EdwardSnowden> Guest7625, What hangs?
[08:18] <Guest7625> Guesr7825
[08:18] <crianca> I'from Brazil
[08:19] <crianca> I'm from Brazil
[08:19] <Guest7625> Guest7625: not reall clear - system - have seen it hang in browser, word processing session, etc.  So my question remains
[08:19] <mapito> cool
[08:19] <mapito> ;]
[08:19] <cfhowlett> crianca, do you have an ubuntu question?
[08:19] <mapito> else go for #ubuntu-chat
[08:20] <EdwardSnowden> Guest7625, It might be a hardware problem or slow disk drives
[08:20] <wilee-nilee> there is no #ubuntu-chat, its #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:24] <jpmh> got disconnected - have a working system, worked for years with no changes, in hundreds of locations - hangs with kernel 3.2.0-53-generic -- how do I get rid of this new kernel?
[08:24] <wilee-nilee> jpmh, What release?
[08:25] <Wiz_KeeD> EdwardSnowden, you are back! :D
[08:25] <Wiz_KeeD> I did what you said last time and unfortunately it did not work :(
[08:25] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, hey, yea lol
[08:26] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, wifi still not working?
[08:26] <Wiz_KeeD> hehe, had to leave then didn't spend much time on it EdwardSnowden
[08:26] <Wiz_KeeD> Now I am following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[08:26] <jpmh> wilee-nilee: running ubuntu 12.04.03
[08:26] <Wiz_KeeD> got stuck at sudo apt-get --reinstall install bcmwl-kernel-source
[08:26] <Wiz_KeeD> errors out
[08:27] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, I remembered something yesterday. Delete the blacklist file I mentioned
[08:27] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, Then use the Additional Drivers to try to install the driver
[08:27] <Wiz_KeeD> The whole blacklist file EdwardSnowden ?
[08:27] <Wiz_KeeD> :o
[08:27] <Wiz_KeeD> I deleted two lines as you said "I think"
[08:27] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, yea, or you can mv it somewhere safe
[08:27] <Wiz_KeeD> yeah that would be better, which one? since there are multiple ones there
[08:28] <Wiz_KeeD> Is it safe to add this to install sublime text editor btw guys? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/sublime-text-2
[08:28] <Wiz_KeeD> http://askubuntu.com/questions/172698/how-do-i-install-sublime-text-2
[08:28] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, Move everything that has bc43 bcm and stuff like that
[08:28] <Wiz_KeeD> alright EdwardSnowden
[08:28] <wilee-nilee> jpmh, removing a kernel is fairly easy I just run dpkg -l | grep linux-image and purge the image, you can set grub to boot another kernel as well if you want
[08:28] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, Yea, Sublime Text is a pretty decent editor
[08:29] <Wiz_KeeD> I love it, none other I would chose, it's about the repo if it's safe to add
[08:29] <Wiz_KeeD> how do you know when it's safe to add a repo or not :-s
[08:30] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, ppas are usually safe unless it contains system files that can conflict with the current ones
[08:30] <Wiz_KeeD> I'd have to know that in advance
[08:31] <Tex_Nick> Wiz_Keed : basically by asking in places like this ... forums & searching web
[08:31] <Wiz_KeeD> Gotcha Tex_Nick, so my original idea of asking on each move here is wise
[08:31] <Wiz_KeeD> :D
[08:32] <Wiz_KeeD> Also never trust Ruby people...first thing I learned
[08:32] <Adie> RUBY ON FAILS
[08:32] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, Why
[08:33] <arctanx> I will trust ruby people as soon as they take all their gems out of git and put them into debs I can keep an eye on
[08:33] <Tex_Nick> Adie lol
[08:33] <shivani> kakaakak_:  Unable to connect to the ubuntu archive when I run sudo apt-get update
[08:33] <Wiz_KeeD> ahahahahahaha lol @ Adie
[08:34] <Adie> wat
[08:34] <Wiz_KeeD> EdwardSnowden, lost my system because I listened to some ruby guy and didn't pay attention
[08:34] <Wiz_KeeD> You were funny Adie :)
[08:34] <Wiz_KeeD> I loled
[08:36] <Wiz_KeeD> where was that blacklist directory EdwardSnowden ? I got multiple by using locate blacklist
[08:36] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, /etc/modprobe.d
[08:37] <d1rkp1tt> Hi all, Eclipse keeps getting locked out of editing files for a project that I keep pulling down from mercurial. Im not great with chmod, but can someone show me the command to enable RW to all files and folders within a directory recursively
[08:37] <MrQuist> chmod 0655 * -R
[08:37] <d1rkp1tt> No idea why I keeps locking me out, I guess its carrying permissions from live environment
[08:37] <MrQuist> d1gital,
[08:37] <d1rkp1tt> thanks
[08:37] <kakaakak_> kakaakak_: are you connected to the internet on VM?
[08:37] <MrQuist> but ehm
[08:37] <MrQuist> you probably don't want every file 0655
[08:37] <MrQuist> such as configuration
[08:37] <shivani> kakaakak_: yes, I have an inet address
[08:38] <arctanx> d1rkp1tt: or slightly easier to understand, chmod -R u+rw .
[08:38] <shivani> i can run ping successfully
[08:38] <Wiz_KeeD> moved it
[08:38] <Wiz_KeeD> now let's see...
[08:38] <d1rkp1tt> Ive tried to work out the numbering before, but the examples I read were a bit confusing
[08:38] <d1rkp1tt> whats the u mean in that?
[08:38] <d1rkp1tt> thanks btw
[08:40] <EdwardSnowden> d1rkp1tt, Those are octal numbers
[08:40] <Tex_Nick> EdwardSnowden : tis really offtopic, & i just got here a bit ago ... question has probably already been asked ... but are you the Edward Snowden of recent fame ?
[08:40] <cutie> I doubt the real Edward Snowden is just casually sitting on Freenode atm
[08:41] <Tex_Nick> i would think the same ... never know though
[08:41] <EdwardSnowden> Tex_Nick, Yes for sure. I'm the hero of the free peoples
[08:41] <wilee-nilee> in Mauritius
[08:41] <ObrienDave> lmao
[08:42] <jpmh> wilee-nilee: sorry - lost machine - so now using a mahcine with an older kernel - having listed the kernels that are available how do I get rid of the offending one - and still cause grub to know of the one I want to boot
[08:42] <ObrienDave> jpmh... run Grub Customizer. easy peasy
[08:43] <Wiz_KeeD> error EdwardSnowden, let me check the logs
[08:43] <Wiz_KeeD> 2013-09-13 11:43:07,509 DEBUG: BroadcomWLHandler enabled(): kmod disabled, bcm43xx: blacklisted, b43: enabled, b43legacy: enabled
[08:43] <Wiz_KeeD> 2013-09-13 11:38:51,041 WARNING: modinfo for module wl failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module wl
[08:43] <wilee-nilee> jpmh, for example using one of my kernels all the images with the one you want gone, then run sudo update-grub. sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.8.0-30-generic
[08:44] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, bcm43xx is still blacklisted.
[08:44] <wilee-nilee> use your images is all that you want gone jpmh
[08:44] <Wiz_KeeD> rgrep reveals
[08:44] <Wiz_KeeD> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf:blacklist bcm43xx
[08:44] <cutie> wilee-nilee: Wouldn't you remove the kernel packages before running update-grub, not after?
[08:44] <jpmh> wilee-nilee: ty - trying that now
[08:45] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, Remove that line. Then reboot and try installing again
[08:45] <Wiz_KeeD> ah I have to reboot?
[08:45] <wilee-nilee> cutie, read the post.
[08:45] <Wiz_KeeD> I commented it out
[08:45] <Wiz_KeeD> brb EdwardSnowden, thanks for sticking with me
[08:46] <wilee-nilee> for example using one of my kernels all the images with the one you want gone, (then) run sudo update-grub.
[08:46] <cutie> wilee-nilee: Mis-read your line :)
[08:47] <wilee-nilee> easily happens I do it all the time. ;)
[08:48] <Wiz_KeeD> ok let's see
[08:48] <jpmh> wilee-nilee: and cutie I did the purge and then the update-grub - re-booting a machine with that now - thanks - will see what happens and report back
[08:50] <wilee-nilee> ObrienDave, grub customizer is in a ppa, this channel does not support ppa's
[08:50] <Wiz_KeeD> still errors out hmm
[08:51] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, What errors?
[08:52] <gaben> wilee-nilee: we don't "support" PPAs, but there's way less chance of a newbie breaking their system if they use it. And Ubuntu doesn't ship any equivelant tool
[08:52] <jpmh> wilee-nilee:  ty so much -machine has re-booted into the previous kernel as I hoped - you saved me so much time - ty
[08:52] <Wiz_KeeD> EdwardSnowden, not 100% sure what to say http://pastie.org/8322216
[08:53] <wilee-nilee> jpmh, no problem
[08:53] <gaben> wilee-nilee: "dpkg -l | grep b43" to find any b43 related packages to remove.
[08:53] <jpmh> so, anyome else had trouble with uneplained hangs in 3.0.2-053-generic?
[08:53] <gaben> wilee-nilee: then
[08:53] <gaben> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source dkms
[08:53] <Pessimist> Can someone give me tips to increase ubuntu 13.04's performance? It becomes sluggish, hangs up sometimes
[08:53] <jpmh> Pessimist: what kernel - see my previous comments
[08:53] <wilee-nilee> Pessimist, Install htop and see whats causing it
[08:54] <d1rkp1tt> how do I specify my user with chmod?
[08:54] <d1rkp1tt> Just locked all files out :p
[08:54] <d1rkp1tt> sudo chmod -R 0655
[08:54] <Pessimist> jpmh, I'm running 3.8.0-30-generic
[08:54] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, See if this helps http://askubuntu.com/questions/45422/broadcom-sta-wireless-driver-fails-to-install
[08:54] <gaben> d1rkp1tt: You want "chown user: filename"
[08:55] <shivani> does proxy not work in VM?
[08:55] <d1rkp1tt> thanks
[08:55] <gaben> shivani: Proxy does work in a VM, there will be no difference. What problem are you having? is it only apt-get and similar which aren't working?
[08:55] <d1rkp1tt> Just gives me invalid mode
[08:55] <d1rkp1tt> I take that back
[08:56] <shivani> gaben: apt-get update isnt working , I basically need to install openssh-sever, and I cant locate that package
[08:56] <Wiz_KeeD> I should remove the packages of dpkg -l | grep b43
[08:56] <Wiz_KeeD> and try that?
[08:56] <shivani> apt-get install for packages listed isnt giving me problems
[08:56] <Wiz_KeeD> with apt-get purge b43-fwcutter ?
[08:56] <shivani> I configured proxy in my /etc/wgetrc file
[08:56] <shivani> but no use :(
[08:56] <d1rkp1tt> nope definately locked out
[08:56] <Pessimist> wilee-nilee, two airodump-ng processes take 200% of cpu. Now I know the problem, ty
[08:56] <shivani> gaben: could you suggest a fix?
[08:56] <d1rkp1tt> so I did chmod -R 0655 and now I cant access the directory.
[08:57] <Wiz_KeeD> EdwardSnowden, what do you recommend?
[08:57] <gaben> shivani: Can you run "sudo apt-get update" sucesfully?
[08:57] <shivani> gaben: no
[08:57] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, You should remove all broadcom drivers that are currently installed. FInd them with dpkg -l | grep b43
[08:57] <Wiz_KeeD> just one
[08:57] <Wiz_KeeD> that one
[08:57] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, Then apt-get purge
[08:57] <Wiz_KeeD> ok sir! yes
[08:58] <gaben> shivani: Can you put the full error messages on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[08:58] <Wiz_KeeD> Now should I try to install with additional drivers or what the forum guy says EdwardSnowden ?
[08:58] <Wiz_KeeD> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source dkms
[08:58] <jpmh> so, I run apt-get dist-upgrade daily - my systems upgraded to kernel 3.0.2-053 - how is it that others are talking about 3.8 - why is my kernel so far behind?
[08:58] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, try apt-get first
[08:59] <wilee-nilee> gaben, I would disagree I have had to help many with a grub purge and reload from using the customizer, nevertheless on this channel we would instruct them to use   /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[08:59] <Wiz_KeeD> http://pastie.org/8322231
[08:59] <EdwardSnowden> jpmh, What release are you on?
[09:00] <jpmh> EdwardSnowden: some systems (most actually) on 12.04.02 - but my own laptop is on 13.04
[09:00] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, do apt-get purge bcmwl-kernel-source
[09:00] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, Then reinstall
[09:01] <Wiz_KeeD> reinstall with the same command?
[09:01] <shivani> gaben: I have an image of the error on the vm > http://img.ctrlv.in/img/5232d4471de7d.png
[09:01] <Wiz_KeeD> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source dkms
[09:01] <Wiz_KeeD> ?
[09:01] <wilee-nilee> gaben, And I did mention that grub could be adjusted as an alternative.
[09:01] <Wiz_KeeD> Reinstalling
[09:01] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, just sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[09:02] <Wiz_KeeD> System problem detected
[09:02] <foofoobar> Hi guys. I'm currently running my ubuntu on macbook pro (2010). I'm planning to buy a new device around 1000€. Can someone recommend a good ultrabook which has a good support for ubuntu?
[09:02] <Wiz_KeeD> I think it's this FATAL: Module wl not found.
[09:03] <EdwardSnowden> foofoobar, Dell XPS 13
[09:04] <jpmh> foofoobar: I like and use lenovo
[09:04] <babinlonston> hi
[09:04] <foofoobar> EdwardSnowden, the dell xps 13 developer edition?
[09:05] <EdwardSnowden> foofoobar, yea
[09:05] <wilee-nilee> foofoobar, this is support, not opinions and polling.
[09:05] <Wiz_KeeD> EdwardSnowden, should I try this or...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1390979
[09:05] <Wiz_KeeD> since everyone is complaining about module wl
[09:06] <foofoobar> wilee-nilee, I dont know where else I can ask
[09:06] <foofoobar> EdwardSnowden, are you using a dell xps? If yes, can I query you?
[09:07] <babinlonston> installed Oracle java 7 using command sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer , but its got error so i removed it and i installed oracle java 7 using manually , But now im trying to install mysql-server using command  sudo apt-get install mysql-server i cant get installed its giving one error as E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. , if i use the dpkg--configure its again installaing java
[09:07] <shivani> gaben: any ideas http://img.ctrlv.in/img/5232d4471de7d.png ??
[09:07] <wilee-nilee> foofoobar, There is a ubuntu certified wiki, not sure how up to date it is.
[09:07] <EdwardSnowden> foofoobar, I'm using Inspiron because XPS 13 was out of stock when I was shopping
[09:07] <gaben> babinlonston: Let it finish installing Java from that package if I were you
[09:08] <EdwardSnowden> foofoobar, My friend uses the XPS 13 it's really good
[09:08] <babinlonston> shivani: inidan ?
[09:08] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, Yea try that one
[09:08] <babinlonston> gaben:  no already i installed java manully
[09:08] <MickS> babinlonston: sudo apt-get remove oracle-java7-installer
[09:09] <babinlonston> MickS: sudo apt-get remove oracle-java7-installer
[09:09] <babinlonston> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[09:09] <shivani> babinlonston: yeah
[09:09] <wilee-nilee> foobArrr, Here you just get opinions, hardly valid overall, it is the hardware anyway that is of concern. http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[09:10] <MickS> babinlonston: was it oracle-java7-installer itself that gave the error, or was it one of the dependencies?
[09:10] <babinlonston> shivani: me too india Nice meeting u
[09:11] <babinlonston> MickS: While installation time cos of network disconnect its breaked in half
[09:12] <babinlonston> MickS: so i planned to install the oracle java using tar file and its installed and now java was in my server .. so i dont need to install it more , but while im trying to install the mysql-server keepon getting this error
[09:12] <Wiz_KeeD> God damn it man...
[09:12] <Wiz_KeeD> http://pastie.org/8322255
[09:12] <MickS> babinlonston: you still have the backlog of what it was doing? What you could try is to sudo apt-get remove all the packages that were going to be installed (so add the dependency packages too)
[09:13] <babinlonston> MickS: cant get u
[09:14] <MickS> babinlonston: what I mean is that if you install oracle-java7-installer it will also install libfoo libbar and libbaz for instance... if the installation broke on libbar, the apt-get remove for oracle-java7-installer only will not fix the issue. But if you specifically say  apt-get remove oracle-java7-installer libfoo libbar libbaz, it might fix the issue
[09:14] <an3k> lol, that's funny. with ubuntu i can play fullhd videos on this notebook (~8 years old). don't know from where it gets the power :)
[09:15] <shivani> babinlonston: same here :)
[09:15] <MickS> babinlonston: the other option is to proceed the installation and do the remove afterwards. You might need to reinstall your manually installed java again (if that is the preferred version)
[09:16] <babinlonston> shivani: :)
[09:17] <reisio> an3k: more efficient system, including just the media playback software
[09:17] <babinlonston> oh
[09:17] <an3k> reisio: yeah but afaik the notebook actually doesn't have the power to playback fullhd °_°
[09:18] <reisio> power? :)
[09:18] <shivani> guys could anyone please help regarding the problem of running sudo apt-get update on a VM?
[09:18] <reisio> an3k: you mean 1080p?
[09:18] <shivani> Is it an issue with ubuntu 12.04.2 ?
[09:18] <shivani> should I get another iso ?
[09:18] <an3k> yes reisio
[09:18] <shivani> http://img.ctrlv.in/img/5232d4471de7d.png -> this is the error trace in my VM right now
[09:18] <an3k> and with power i mean cpu power, system power, etc.
[09:18] <babinlonston> shivani: can u access ping google.com from vm ?
[09:18] <cfhowlett> !md5sum|shivani, take 2 minutes to verify the ISO
[09:19] <shivani> babinlonston: yes
[09:19] <reisio> an3k: a decent GPU and a decent player would cover it
[09:19] <reisio> an3k: or just a decent player
[09:19] <Pessimist> shivani, it means your computer can't access the repositories
[09:19] <babinlonston> shivani: you using Base Host with Windows ?
[09:19] <shivani> Pessimist: you mean the vm right , could you suggest a fix?
[09:20] <shivani> babinlonston: no , my local host is ubuntu 13.04
[09:20] <babinlonston> shivani: ok you installed virtualbox or kvm ?
[09:20] <an3k> reisio: Intel Pentium M 1,73 GHz + Intel 915GM (chipset) gfx + 2 GB RAM
[09:20] <smw94> is there something like archbang in ubuntu ?
[09:20] <babinlonston> shivani: whats the ip in vm ?
[09:21] <Pessimist> shivani, can you ping google.com for example? Whats the output of iwconfig ?
[09:21] <reisio> an3k: 1.73GHz, should be enough
[09:21] <shivani> babinlonston: I installed VMware player
[09:21] <shivani> yes I can ping google.com
[09:21] <reisio> smw94: there's openbox
[09:21] <babinlonston> shivani:  u installed vmware player in your localhost Ubuntu 13.04 ?
[09:21] <reisio> smw94: Lubuntu comes with openbox (as part of LXDE)
[09:22] <shivani> babinlonston:  yes
[09:23] <shivani> Pessimist: http://img.ctrlv.in/img/5232d96cc45dc.png -> trace of ping and iwconfig
[09:23] <smw94> reisio: so i have to install openbox ?
[09:23] <babinlonston> shivani: just once restart your vm and do sudo apt-get update
[09:23] <shivani> cfhowlett: checked the iso file , seems right
[09:23] <wilee-nilee> smw94, archbangs is a souped up version
[09:24] <shivani> babinlonston: okay
[09:24] <babinlonston> shivani: then do sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:24] <cfhowlett> shivani, "seems"?  matches or it don't.  but if it matches, no need to get another ISO ....
[09:24] <shivani> cfhowlett: yes it matches
[09:25] <smw94> wilee-nilee : can i get something like arch system info terminal ?
[09:25] <babinlonston> shivani: which command u used  ? will u please type here
[09:25] <shivani> babinlonston: rebooted it , and ran update , still on the same error
[09:25] <reisio> smw94: mmhmmm
[09:25] <shivani> babinlonston: "sudo reboot"
[09:25] <shivani> and then
[09:25] <shivani> sudo apt-get update
[09:25] <wilee-nilee> smw94, I forget what that is, it has been awhile since I used either.
[09:25] <babinlonston> did u provide the password while i asking ?
[09:26] <shivani> babinlonston: yeah
[09:27] <babinlonston> shivani: see your ip and add it in hosts file and see ur hostname and add it to ur hosts file too
[09:27] <smw94> wilee-nilee: its something like this, http://i.stack.imgur.com/xjaxJ.jpg
[09:27] <shivani> babinlonston: but I cant install openssh-server
[09:27] <shivani> also I configured a static ip for my vm earlier in /etc/networks/interfaces file
[09:27] <babinlonston> shivani: u can ping google na ?
[09:27] <shivani> and I have set my proxy in /etc/wgetrc
[09:28] <shivani> babinlonston: yes
[09:28] <shivani> can ping google
[09:28] <babinlonston> shivani: remove the proxy and static ip and do a update and upgrade it will Work
[09:28] <shivani> babinlonston: okay trying
[09:28] <wilee-nilee> smw94, You can customize the terminal, but I have not really done it.
[09:28] <babinlonston> shivani: sure
[09:29] <babinlonston> shivani: if u need to configure a static ip better use bridge method , if not it wont work good
[09:29] <wilee-nilee> both arch and archbang or quite usable OS's though.
[09:30] <wilee-nilee> are*
[09:30] <Wiz_KeeD> anyone got any advice on this broadcom thing?
[09:31] <babinlonston> shivani: instead of using vmware player use KVM in ur Host machine its good , if your Host machine supports 64 Bit arch  , http://pastebin.com/fRN6uSSi
[09:31] <shivani> babinlonston: after removing those I cant ping google.com :(
[09:32] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, This is a rather slow time you might try later, and or a thread at the ubuntu forums as well.
[09:32] <shivani> babinlonston: I was using kvm earlier , it gave me errors during vm installation following which I shifted to VMplayer
[09:32] <babinlonston> shivani: you using ubuntu 13.04 in your host machine so configure your network interface for bridge
[09:32] <shivani> babinlonston: how do I do that
[09:32] <shivani> ?
[09:33] <Wiz_KeeD> wilee-nilee, you're right, thank you!
[09:33] <babinlonston> shivani: let me give u link
[09:33] <shivani> babinlonston: sure thankyou :)
[09:33] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, generally the daytime europe and us are the busiest
[09:34] <Wiz_KeeD> 12:34 GMT+2 here, Europe
[09:35] <babinlonston> shivani: i have used IP 10 for my Base Host http://pastebin.com/bBKTQrSG
[09:35] <wilee-nilee> usuallt starts around this time a little later depends on the day, it is friday though
[09:35] <wilee-nilee> usually
[09:35] <shivani> babinlonston: so this setup goes in my VM ?
[09:35] <babinlonston> shivani:  this need to be configured in sudo /etc/network/interface
[09:35] <babinlonston> no in ur Base machine
[09:36] <shivani> ah oka
[09:36] <smw94> wilee-nilee: oh sure, thanks, ill find about editing bash rc
[09:36] <babinlonston> shivani: u using ubuntu 13.04 in ur base machine im i right ?
[09:38] <shivani> babinlonston: yes
[09:39] <shivani> babinlonston: done that, cant ping google from vm now
[09:40] <babinlonston> shivani: do this all http://paste.ubuntu.com/6100912/
[09:41] <shivani> babinlonston: what is 192.168.1.78    system3 3 here ?
[09:41] <smw94> wilee-nilee: i found it, its called archey, thx
[09:41] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[09:41] <babinlonston> Then restart the network in ur base machine   sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:41] <babinlonston> shivani: 192.168.1.78 ip im using and system 3 is my host name
[09:41] <babinlonston> shivani: use as your wish
[09:42] <shivani> system 3 would be my vm here ?
[09:42] <babinlonston> shivani: no
[09:42] <babinlonston> whats your hostname ?
[09:43] <shivani> babinlonston: my hostname is shivani
[09:43] <shivani> It is already present in my /etc/hosts
[09:44] <lovetruth> does ubuntu studio has it's own irc channel?...
[09:44] <wilee-nilee> lovetruth, #ubuntustudio
[09:45] <lovetruth> thanks
[09:45] <lovetruth> :)
[09:48] <lessless> hi folks! when application is run not from console it doesn't respect  setting in ~/.profile file
[09:49] <Pessimist> What if I add a ppa that has a package named the same like in the official repos? What happens when I want to install that package? Do I get to select the version?
[09:49] <DJones> Pessimist: You would normally get the latest version number installed
[09:50] <kapa> hi all
[09:50] <kapa> i want a minimal distro (command-line only) that can use ubuntu repositories. any one can help please?
[09:50] <DJones> !minimal | kapa
[09:51] <DJones> kapa: I would assume with the minimal iso, you can select whether you want a graphical interface installed or not
[09:52] <sunson> what causes the "Size mismatch" error while doing apt-get install for a (privately maintained) package?
[09:52] <DJones> kapa: Its not something I've tried, but hopefully somebody else can confirm that
[09:52] <kapa> @DJones , I have a slow connection and want the download to be at most 30-40 MB
[09:53] <kapa> something like TTY LINUX but i want it to be able to use ubuntu repositories
[09:54] <DJones> kapa: I'm not aware of anything like that, Damm Small Linux is abot 50Mb, but that doesn't use the Ubuntu repos
[09:55] <DJones> kapa: Maybe join ##linux and ask there, thats a general alinux channel, somebody there may know of something
[09:55] <kapa> @DJones , thanks you anyway for your kind help dude
[10:04] <Tex_Nick> DJones : out of curosity ... do you know how DSL & MINIX would compare to each other, performance wise on older box's ?
[10:04] <DJones> Tex_Nick: Sorry, no idea, I've never used either of the,
[10:04] <DJones> them
[10:04] <Tex_Nick> ok thanks ... just wondering
[10:15] <berryciderspider> How useful are bash scripts?
[10:16] <jrib> berryciderspider: very?
[10:18] <nibz> i used to use ports.ubuntu.com for hardy packages for powerpc
[10:18] <nibz> now those files seem to be removed
[10:18] <nibz> where can I find them ?
[10:18] <nibz> surely they are not all gone forever?
[10:19] <berryciderspider> jrib: why not use a scripting language ala Perl?
[10:20] <lovetruth> can I get, under ubuntu (under xfce or xfwm, or whatever), the mouse coordinates on mouse clicks (even the user clicks on a video or inside some application) - and pass them to some bash file?...
[10:20] <reisio> lovetruth: <headdesk>
[10:20] <jrib> berryciderspider: sure, use what you like.
[10:20] <jrib> lovetruth: hmm, why?  What is your end-goal?
[10:20] <DJones> !oldreleases | nibz
[10:21] <nerdtron> lovetruth, wow sounds you want to know what the user is doing?
[10:21] <berryciderspider> jrib: I'm just interested in learning linux, and apparently bash scripts are quite popular.
[10:22] <DJones> nibz: Maybe look at http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[10:22] <berryciderspider> from an educational perspective It's obviously something I'll learn, but is it more practical than using a scripting langauge?
[10:22] <nibz> DJones: you are my HERO
[10:23] <jrib> berryciderspider: sure, it makes sense to learn bash and one saner scripting language (like python, ruby, etc.  Perl has fallen out of favor lately, but it would still be a good language to learn if you enjoy working with it). It makes sense to also learn bash because that's what you'll be writing your commands in in a terminal
[10:23] <nibz> well but are these releases or package archives?
[10:23] <jrib> nibz: do realize though that hard isn't supported anymore, so you should look towards upgrading
[10:23] <jrib> nibz: do realize though that hardy isn't supported anymore, so you should look towards upgrading
[10:24] <nibz> jiriki: i understand that, can't upgrade really
[10:24] <berryciderspider> jrib: ok, cheers
[10:24] <nibz> fortunately the few machines running hardy are just lolsmachines
[10:24] <lovetruth> I actually want to have 25 IP cameras on 3x3 screens. And, if the end-user clicks on some specific IP camera's screen from the 3x3 screens, to full screen that camera. If the end-user clicks again on it, to get back to the mosaic 3x3 that it was before... :)
[10:24] <jrib> nibz: but you're running a system without security updates.
[10:24] <abhinav> Hello everyone! I'm unable to load Windows 8 from GRUB menu. its giving "Invalid Signature" when windows 8 is selected from menu. Here is the pastebin output from boot-repair program: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6100993/ Any help is highly appreciated. Thanks
[10:24] <jrib> nibz: there's a package archive on old-releases.ubuntu.com (no /releases) I think
[10:24] <nibz> jrib: i dont like the situation
[10:25] <nibz> but we have these old imac g4s
[10:25] <nibz> and hardy is the last release that has functional X
[10:25] <jrib> nibz: is the ubuntu port not available on 12.04?
[10:25] <jrib> nibz: functional X in what sense?
[10:25] <nibz> something about the drivers does a weird color inversion thing
[10:25] <nibz> where orange is blue
[10:25] <jrib> nibz: sounds great
[10:26] <nibz> and quite a bit of looking essentially says use hardy or stop using the computer
[10:26] <jrib> nibz: you might try debian which might support ppc better and see if it also has that issue in their latest release for ppc.  If nothing else, just to troubleshoot your ubuntu issue
[10:26] <nibz> yea
[10:26] <Wiz_KeeD> Hey guys, I managed to make my wireless driver work but now I got a echo  message before the boot image comes up, anyone know how to stop that?
[10:26] <lovetruth> jrib: that is my end goal...
[10:26] <nibz> thats not a bad idea
[10:26] <nibz> we could try some other distros too
[10:27] <jrib> nibz: actually looks like the package archive is on old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu.  Anyway, I wouldn't expose these machines to the internet
[10:27] <nibz> oh they aren't
[10:27] <nibz> no worries there
[10:28] <Tex_Nick> berryciderspider: this might sound lame, however YouTube has several bash tutorials ... also was a gal on www.hak5.org couple years ago that had started some bash tutorials ... not sure how she has done
[10:30] <lovetruth> so... I'll state again, in case you missed it between the lines :) . My end goal is
[10:30] <lovetruth> I actually want to have 25 IP cameras on 3x3 screens. And, if the end-user clicks on some specific IP camera's screen from the 3x3 screens, to full screen that camera. If the end-user clicks again on it, to get back to the mosaic 3x3 that it was before... :)
[10:30] <lovetruth> and the question was:      can I get, under ubuntu (under xfce or xfwm, or whatever), the mouse coordinates on mouse clicks (even the user clicks on a video or inside some application) - and pass them to some bash file?...
[10:30] <nibz> jrib: thanks for the help
[10:33] <reisio> lovetruth: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/control.html
[10:35] <reisio> lovetruth: mkdir ~/.mplayer; echo 'LEFT vo_fullscreen' >> ~/.mplayer/input.conf
[10:42] <Sn33> Hi. can some one point me to the right direction to setup an environment to host several virtualmachines for testing my application with support to take a snapshot of the VM easily?
[10:42] <Sn33> Is OpenStack the right tool to do this?
[10:42] <jrib> Sn33: could use virtualbox
[10:43] <Sn33> jrib: I have no GUI
[10:43] <Sn33> jrib: it owuld be nice if it has a web GUI because several people are going to be working/testing the applicationsimultanouosly
[10:43] <jrib> Sn33: I don't think that's an issue
[10:43] <jrib> Sn33: I don't know if vbox has a web gui
[10:44] <reisio> pretty sure they all have webUIs
[10:44] <Sn33> I am looking at KVM with some management tools
[10:44] <JPascal> vbox hav web gui on pph
[10:44] <rymate1234> http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpvirtualbox/
[10:44] <AdmV0rl0n> sn33: please take a look at ProxMox
[10:45] <AdmV0rl0n> I think if you check it - you'll likely find its a product fit for your use.
[10:45] <gangan> Could someone walk me through fixing a non functional graphical front end. Currently the Ubuntu graphical shell hangs on boot.
[10:45] <Sn33> AdmV0rl0n: tried that, no snapshot support
[10:47] <Pessimist> gangan, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and go from there
[10:47] <r2j> guys
[10:47] <r2j> just connected an external display to my laptop
[10:47] <gangan> OK thanks.  I have no extra hdd here now so I can't reinstall from scratch. Just need a failsafe method to reset. LXDE preferred, but unity would be OK.
[10:47] <AdmV0rl0n> sorry? it uses vzdump and its backup method is snapshot based. Are you sure you actually checked it and tested fully?
[10:47] <r2j> cannot get an extend desktop option
[10:47] <r2j> it clones the display
[10:48] <DemoScale> Did you try to disable clone display option in settings-display?
[10:48] <r2j> im using voyager which is ubuntu + xfce
[10:48] <r2j> lemme check
[10:49] <DemoScale> Maybe my advice can be wrong bcoz Im using Korean language pack for my Ubuntu
[10:49] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|gangan,
[10:49] <r2j> no option to disable clone display
[10:50] <DemoScale> Im sorry but I can't help you further as long as you're using xfce
[10:50] <gangan> odd.  xserver-xorg not installed... Could this cause the Ubuntu boot logo to hang?  Maybe I removed my dt environment and that went with it.  I'll start by installing it...
[10:50] <r2j> no way to extend the desktop in xfce?
[10:50] <DemoScale> hmm...
[10:51] <cfhowlett> !xubuntu|r2j,   might know
[10:51] <reisio> r2j: hrmm?
[10:52] <DemoScale> gangan... it spells alike very bad word in Korean
[10:52] <gangan> Pessimist: Next package.  apt-get install lxde?  Otherwise, name to use for the complete unity shell?  I would google, but honestly using text based lynx it's pretty painful
[10:53] <gangan> DemoScale: oops. I'll think about that.
[10:53] <antar> Hi people
[10:53] <antar> i am looking for a good IDE for ubuntu
[10:54] <DemoScale> gangan: It's okay as long as it does not mean that one...
[10:54] <cfhowlett> antar, see the software center.  no shortage of choice
[10:54] <gangan> Whoa.  Installed LXDE, ran startx, and ended up in what looks like a mix of unity and (the dock is there, but windows are weirdly decorated).  What have I done to this system... :)
[10:55] <antar> cfhowlett, eclipse is not working ok on ubuntu...
[10:55] <DemoScale> I'm searching for the best music player for Ubuntu. Any recommendation?
[10:55] <blahblah123> Just discovered gnome indicator for Unity! Am stoked
[10:55] <blahblah123> DemoScale: Sayonara
[10:55] <cfhowlett> !best|DemoScale,
[10:55] <antar> demom, rhythmbox
[10:56] <gangan> oh, and no working mousepointer
[10:56] <DemoScale> oops, sorry.
[10:56] <cfhowlett> DemoScale, again, search the software center.  no shortage of options.  try them out and form your own opinion.
[10:56] <blahblah123> I installed AMD catalyst, and it caused errors. So i uninstalled it, but the splash screen on boot is still stuck in no video mode???
[10:56] <blahblah123> Any ideas
[10:56] <blahblah123> ?
[10:56] <DemoScale> I'll read the rules again
[10:57] <DemoScale> so this channel is only for troubleshoot?
[10:58] <ikonia> DemoScale: you can discuss ubuntu issues/problems, but it's aimed at technical support
[10:58] <cfhowlett> DemoScale, well, problem solving.
[10:58] <Pessimist> gangan, the package for the whole default ubuntu desktop is ubuntu-desktop.
[10:58] <gangan> Hmm.  It's unity everything except the windowmanager?  Dash and HUD is there.  Windows are white and lightblue...
[10:58] <antar> cfhowlett, why eclipse is not working correctly inside ubuntu ?
[10:59] <cfhowlett> antar, couldn't tell you.  sorry.
[10:59] <DemoScale> So I have a question. My Xchat client is not displaying the chatroom properly.
[10:59] <antar> cfhowlett, oh :) ??
[10:59] <DemoScale> I can't read a few letter at the end of every lines.
[10:59] <gangan> Pessimist: Thanks. Tried installing but I'm back to the original problem.  It says ubuntu-desktop depends on "xxx" but it won't be installed.  There are a bunch of dependencies that apt-get refuses to install.
[10:59] <r2j> arandr is the answer.......extending and re-arranging desktops on XFCE
[11:00] <fidel> DemoScale: a) you might ask in the xchat channel as well - and b) screenshot might help as well
[11:00] <DemoScale> Any workarounds?
[11:00] <gangan> more explicitly "but it is not going to be installed"
[11:00] <antar> DemoScale, screenshoot if can ?
[11:00] <DemoScale> fidel: Okay, Thanks.
[11:00] <gangan> I previously did a dist-upgrade which worsened my problem.
[11:01] <antar> cfhowlett, what you are doing here , helping people for example ?
[11:01] <cfhowlett> antar, seriously?
[11:02] <antar> cfhowlett, Yeah
[11:02] <Wiz_KeeD> Can anyone help me please? I have Wired connection which is grayed out and Wired connection 1 which is used...why are there 2 of them?
[11:02] <cfhowlett> antar, well, for one, I focus on actually trying to help the problems I'm knowledgeable about and avoid getting sidetracked by extraneous commentary.
[11:02] <antar> cfhowlett, i am asking you and you are saying that you couldnt tell me
[11:03] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: does it matter?
[11:03] <cfhowlett> !attitude|antar,
[11:03] <Wiz_KeeD> reisio, it does matter, it was not there before I don't want connection adding up and me not having control of my system
[11:03] <cfhowlett> !patiience|antar,
[11:03] <cfhowlett> !patience|antar,
[11:03] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you have full control of your system
[11:03] <Wiz_KeeD> And the wireless driver works on 1 of x reboots for some reason
[11:03] <r2j> guys
[11:03] <Pessimist> gangan, try aptitude. sudo apt-get install aptitude && aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[11:03] <r2j> any idea as to how i could play cs on ubuntu
[11:03] <blahblah123> Does VirtualBox work with 13.10, please?
[11:03] <ikonia> r2j: is there a native linux client ?
[11:04] <reisio> blahblah123: yup
[11:04] <cfhowlett> r2j, counterstrike?  install steam
[11:04] <antar> cfhowlett, you said that you could nt say , not dont know
[11:04] <blahblah123> r2j: Have you tried Steam?
[11:04] <ikonia> blahblah123: try #ubuntu+1 for 13.10 discussion
[11:04] <Wiz_KeeD> This is why I would have liked to have a snapshot system.After going through a lot of pain of asking help and installing many broadcom dirvers, now I would like to move back before I did this and start over fresh
[11:04] <blahblah123> Thanks ikonia
[11:04] <exutux> hi all ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101144/ this is my little script to get information from network printers getting pdf, it doesn't run on crontab but I don't know why...
[11:04] <r2j> okay
[11:04] <r2j> how?
[11:04] <reisio> r2j: or via Wine
[11:04] <Wiz_KeeD> Without all the libraries and changes made, since i'm not a pro to be able to undo everything
[11:04] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: why do you need to undo things ?
[11:04] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what's broken ?
[11:05] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: IIRC you can easily end up with multiple virtual network thingies in networkmanager just by clicking around in its prefs
[11:05] <reisio> and also undo it the same way :)
[11:05] <gangan> Whoa, that was a whole lot of problems listed there by aptitude.  "Accept this solution?"  Yeah why not... :)
[11:05] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: as for snapshots, look into rdiff-backup
[11:05] <Wiz_KeeD> reisio, that could be, It's bugging me that it's there, and it's sole presence there might be the consequence of multiple adapter/drivers/librarier scatter over the system
[11:06] <Wiz_KeeD> rdiff-backup? ok
[11:06] <Wiz_KeeD> Will reinstall ubuntu once more if that works
[11:06] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: differnt drivers wouldn't make interfaces that don't exist appears
[11:06] <DemoScale> thx everyone, but I found the workaround myself. solved by changing the fontset.
[11:06] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: why do you need to re-install ubuntu ?
[11:06] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what's not working that makes you think you need to re-install
[11:06] <reisio> DemoScale: g
[11:06] <reisio> j
[11:07] <Wiz_KeeD> reisio, does it work for full system backups? so your libraries, settings, conf files, are back to their original state?
[11:07] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you don't want to do full system snapshot/backsup
[11:07] <exutux> hi all ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101144/ this is my little script to get information from network printers getting pdf, it doesn't run on crontab but I don't know why... some advice? thanks in advance
[11:07] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: why do you keep persisting with this
[11:07] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: if you like
[11:07] <Pessimist> gangan, try to uninstall the conflicting packages. Also try to run unity --reset to reset it to default settings
[11:07] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it could actually end up causing you more problems if you are not careful
[11:08] <Wiz_KeeD> reisio, the point of it would be that there are many things I still have no idea about when it comes to configuring/installing/removing stuff from my system, whenever I mess up because I need to do something like installing broadcom drivers for my wireless adapter, I try several hundrets of things and tutorials (checking with people here ofc) and after removing things from blacklist, adding header files, libraries, modules, reinstalling, etc
[11:09] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: honestly, that is not the way to manage recovery
[11:09] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: I have no trouble understanding the point of backups :)
[11:09] <Wiz_KeeD> I do not know what should have been reverted to the original state and what should stay as it is, and instead of backtracking each probem caused by MULTIPLE several actions that i had partial understanding of, i'd rather revert to a snapshot in time that gives me the EXACT mirror I had before installing and try from there
[11:09] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you've asked about this multiple times
[11:09] <Wiz_KeeD> doesn't that make sense at least in theory?
[11:10] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it really doesn't, I understand what you are trying to do, but this is not the way to go about it
[11:10] <williangliao> My ubuntu great fever
[11:10] <reisio> doesn't matter, you can contemplate that over time
[11:10] <reisio> your networkmanager thing doesn't exactly require a backup system to fix
[11:10] <ikonia> exactly
[11:10] <Wiz_KeeD> ok so there's no solution for it period, no point in asking again
[11:10] <ikonia> nor does it require a re-install
[11:10] <reisio> indeed
[11:10] <Wiz_KeeD> it's not JUST that
[11:10] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: right right
[11:10] <Wiz_KeeD> i'm not a mental-case to reboot an entire system because I have a grayed out option
[11:10] <Wiz_KeeD> :))
[11:10] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: as I said to you earlier - if you don't use bad software sources, pretty much anything can be resolved,
[11:11] <Wiz_KeeD> but nobody can tell me why it's there, when it wasn't, and what does it mean and the consequences
[11:11]  * cfhowlett ... reminds himself that some people LIKE the scorched earth/reinstall solution to every little ubuntu issue
[11:11] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: so instead of focusing on re-install/reboot full system restores, why don't you just focus on setting up the machine how you like it then using it
[11:11] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: I think if you do a search for 'completely reset networkmanager' you'll fix it
[11:11] <DJones>      >>> pumafied!~pumafied@2604:180:1::b3ca:68b1
[11:11] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it's going to be a udev rule that's been updated, or something like that,
[11:11] <reisio> I forget how to do it, hate networkmanager's complexity :p
[11:11] <ikonia> that will appear to great an extra device that doesn't exist, or something like that
[11:12] <Wiz_KeeD> Okay, my biggest issue by far is setting up the wireless driver, and I can't tell you the last 10 things I did to make it partially work
[11:12] <ikonia> or it could be a virtual device if you've been playing with virtualization options
[11:12] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what does the last 10 things matter ?
[11:12] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: is it working now ?
[11:12] <Wiz_KeeD> It is working in 2 out of 3 reboots and I get a terminal message about wireless pyth smth loading before the boot image loads
[11:13] <Wiz_KeeD> but 1 out of 3 reboots it does not work at all, does not even scan networks
[11:13] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: so if you are happy its working - move onto the next problem, if you are not focus on fixing it
[11:13] <Wiz_KeeD> I guess the next advice would be "so just reboot again and you're" ok?
[11:13] <ikonia> rather htan focusing on backup/snapshots/re-installs
[11:13] <gangan> I tried reinstalling everything I can think of, lxde, unity*, ubuntu-desktop and xserver*.  Then reinstalled ubuntu-desktop.  It starts with a dialog saying: Failed to load session "ubuntu"
[11:13] <gangan> s/reinstalling/uninstalling/
[11:14] <Wiz_KeeD> If anyone here thinks that having a wireless card work 50% chance when you reboot please do not offer me any piece of advice
[11:14] <Wiz_KeeD> not the kind of people i want to tall with, really
[11:14] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: drop the attitude - really,
[11:14] <gangan> There are a number of packages aptitude say "I will keep these at current version".  Can I force them to be reinstalled somehow?
[11:14] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: no-one has said that in the slightest
[11:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Only superficial complacent people can say that is ok
[11:15] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: focus on getting the info you want
[11:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Alright
[11:15] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: no-one has said that, so stop with the pointless comments
[11:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Let me find the article
[11:15] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: don't need an article
[11:15] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: focus on your problem and what you want to happen
[11:15] <ikonia> just state it
[11:16] <Wiz_KeeD> I need to find that so you would undrstand
[11:16] <cfhowlett> gangan, bad idea to force the system.  Those packages are held back for a reason.
[11:16] <Wiz_KeeD> so i can provide relevant info
[11:16] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: just explain the problem
[11:16] <Wiz_KeeD> Anyway, I tried installing the software using Additional Drivers, it errored out and said I need to check the log
[11:17] <Wiz_KeeD> I check the log and apart from showing in debug info that some b42 whatever were blacklisted, I removed them
[11:17] <Wiz_KeeD> it said that there is no wl module
[11:17] <Wiz_KeeD> I followed some tutorials, copied some files into tmp or something, tried compiling others
[11:17] <gangan> cfhowlett, ok.  I'm desperate... Probably looks like I need to forget this now and later copy the home dir off and do a fresh reinstall...
[11:17] <ikonia> ok - that sounds unwise
[11:17] <Wiz_KeeD> Then I could install using the additional drivers and just before it finishes it said cannot complete install or failure becuse of package X
[11:18] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it sounds like you've blown off the ubuntu drivers first confirming they where not going to work
[11:18] <Wiz_KeeD> but at the same time the wireless started working and automatically connected
[11:18] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: if a package is failing it's going to be because of a repo conflict
[11:18] <cfhowlett> gangan, sounds like a plan.
[11:18] <Pessimist> gangan, it's a good practice to make have /home in a seperate partition
[11:18] <Wiz_KeeD> I have no idea where i copied it, if it was temp or not, if I could find the article I can say for sure, so you think we need it or not?
[11:18] <gangan> Don't really have time for that though...
[11:18] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: remember the part I said about only using trusted repos
[11:18] <gangan> Pessimist.  Yes you are right.
[11:18] <Wiz_KeeD> I think that is more guess-work ikonia
[11:18] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what is guess work ?
[11:18] <Wiz_KeeD> Did not add any repo ikonia
[11:18] <gangan> can parted resize partitions?
[11:18] <Wiz_KeeD> at all
[11:19] <Wiz_KeeD> Except sublime text editor and the 32bit thingy and skype, that's all
[11:19] <Wiz_KeeD> nothing else
[11:19] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: so you did add repos then
[11:19] <cfhowlett> gangan, yes it can.  boot from your ubuntu usb and run gparted to resize partitions
[11:19] <gangan> Still, I probably wouldn't do a reinstall without backing up home
[11:19] <cfhowlett> gangan, do you have /home in its own partition?
[11:19] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: either way, I think you should focucs initially on confirming the ubuntu supplied package doesn't work, and getting that installed correclty
[11:19] <cfhowlett> !home
[11:19] <Pessimist> gangan, and it sounds like you don't have a display manager
[11:19] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that should always be the first point to work through
[11:19] <Wiz_KeeD> I only used standard repos and install from aditional drivers in GUI
[11:20] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: and 3rd party repos
[11:20] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you've just said you added additional repos
[11:20] <Wiz_KeeD> and tried adding header files with apt-get standard repo to fix it
[11:20] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: adding headers won't fix anything
[11:20] <Wiz_KeeD> for sublime text editor and canonical-partners
[11:20] <Wiz_KeeD> It did move me further with the install ikonia
[11:20] <Wiz_KeeD> when initially it was blocked completely
[11:20] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: tip - get your system working first then add software
[11:20] <gangan> cfhowlett. No.  To be honest I have some stuff under /<customdir> that needs to be backed up as well
[11:20] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: sorry, this doesn't make sense at all.
[11:20] <Wiz_KeeD> np
[11:20] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: headers will only have an impact if you are compiling things
[11:21] <Wiz_KeeD> tried compiling with make and never used sudo
[11:21] <Wiz_KeeD> official broadcom drivers that failed also
[11:21] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you shouldn't use sudo with make
[11:21] <cfhowlett> gangan, write out your backup/reinstall plan, think it through and execute.
[11:21] <Wiz_KeeD> I never did
[11:21] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you should be working through the ubuntu packages - making sure they don't work before anything else
[11:21] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: the more you do external modules, the more problems you will have when kernel updates come from ubuntu
[11:22] <Wiz_KeeD> I never do updates anyway, but still
[11:22] <ikonia> you never do updates ???
[11:22] <ikonia> that's just crazy
[11:22] <ikonia> and possibly why the broadcom package won't install
[11:22] <cfhowlett> !!! no updates?
[11:22] <Wiz_KeeD> This was one article that i tried
[11:22] <gangan> cfhowlett. Thanks man. I've done this before.  Thanks to all who tried to help my desperate fix.  I guess it's console only for the rest of the day, then when I can I have to go through this.  Problem is I have little time
[11:22] <Wiz_KeeD> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[11:22] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: again - I'd change your approach
[11:23] <Wiz_KeeD> I'm listening carefully then
[11:23] <cfhowlett> gangan, hey, make sure you've md5sum the ISO you download and run the integrity check on the boot USB.
[11:23] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: 1.) update your ubuntu system to current ubuntu packages for your version - and keep up with that 2.) remove the modules you have built 3.) focus on installing and verifying if the ubuntu packaged broadcom modules work/don't work and then move forward from there
[11:24] <Wiz_KeeD> I have no idea what other modules i've built except that one that failed
[11:24] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: how can you not know what you've built
[11:24] <Wiz_KeeD> update ubuntu though regular update?
[11:24] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: yes, update it through software manager/apt-get whatever tool you like
[11:24] <Wiz_KeeD> If i did 10 things I can't remember everything, not very good at this as i said
[11:24] <Wiz_KeeD> apt-get upgrade?
[11:24] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok, so if you're not good at things you need to stop doing what you think and start asking and listening for guidence
[11:25] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: stop following internet articles blindly
[11:25] <gangan> Thanks Pessimist. Thanks cfhowlett.  Yes I have a trusted ISO at home.
[11:25] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: start tracking what you are doing and understanding the implications
[11:25] <cfhowlett> Wiz_KeeD, best practice:  keep maintenance records of changes you make to the plain vanilla system.
[11:26] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: not sure about anything, ask, not sure of the approach, ask, totally lost, ask but the key thing is listen once you've asked
[11:26] <Wiz_KeeD> cfhowlett, like in a notepad or what?
[11:26] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: try not to just do things blindly as it's harder to trouble shoot as you actually don't know what you've done
[11:26] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: any notation you want, pen/paper, notepad, text editor, whiteboard anything
[11:26] <Wiz_KeeD> okay that makes sense
[11:26] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that way when you're asked "did you do X" you can say "yes/no" with confidence
[11:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: bit if you don't know what a guide does - don't do it, ask and see if it's the right thing for you to do, some good people in the channel
[11:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you seem to be making issues a little bigger than they need to be by rushing in
[11:28] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: some good people in this channel (and others) who can offer you an experinced opinion rather than a blind internet page that doesn't know your history/goal
[11:30] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, almost all I did over 95% was with approval from this channel
[11:30] <Wiz_KeeD> I did things on my own when nobody else answerd and people reply "yeah...do that"
[11:30] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I don't think that's really true reading back, I don't see much focus on working through the ubuntu package problem in the logs
[11:30] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I see a rush in to the external moduls
[11:30] <Wiz_KeeD> I tried: dpkg -l | grep b43 to find any b43 related packages to remove. then sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source dkms
[11:30] <ikonia> (although I could be missing parts of the conversations)
[11:31] <Wiz_KeeD> I did: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:31] <ikonia> dont need a rundown of every command
[11:32] <Wiz_KeeD> AHA, here it is
[11:32] <Wiz_KeeD> The thing that made the install from aditional drivers not crash in the first few secconds and make it showing as enabled
[11:32] <Wiz_KeeD> sudo cp wl.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/wireless | sudo depmod -a | sudo modprobe wl
[11:32] <Wiz_KeeD> Because when consulting the error logs that the additional drivers educated me to read
[11:32] <Wiz_KeeD> it said that module wl is missing
[11:33] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: where did you get wl.ko ?
[11:33] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you shouldn't be coping things like that into the kernel tree
[11:33] <ikonia> (blindly)
[11:33] <Wiz_KeeD> how do I undo that? I have no idea what that copy did tbh
[11:33] <Wiz_KeeD> my bad on that one
[11:33] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: right so that's the sort of rushing in type situation
[11:33] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: more so as that command it pretty obvious what it does to work out how to undo it
[11:33] <Wiz_KeeD> So how can that be undone?
[11:34] <Wiz_KeeD> rm it from there
[11:34] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it copies wl.ko (from where ever you got it) into /lib/modules/(yourkernel version)/kernel/net/wireless
[11:34] <Wiz_KeeD> that's why I needed the article ikonia :)
[11:34] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I'd find it very very hard to believe that a package from the ubuntu repos depends on the wl.ko module but doesn't actually install it
[11:34] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I suspect that is not the package from the ubuntu repos doing that
[11:35] <ikonia> (I could be wrong but it seems unlikley)
[11:35] <Wiz_KeeD> I can look at the date it was altered and see if that worked right?
[11:35] <ikonia> "to see if it works" - it's copying a file if it didn't work it would error
[11:35] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: and as you said the file was missing, if the file is there....it worked
[11:35] <ikonia> or it would still be missing
[11:36] <Wiz_KeeD> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 5263237 Sep 13 12:44 wl.ko
[11:37] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what did I just say ?
[11:37] <Wiz_KeeD> seems that the copy went through and actually did replace it
[11:37] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: repace it ? you said it was missing
[11:37] <Wiz_KeeD> sorry, what?
[11:37] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you need to be clear about what you are doing - and what you expect things to do
[11:37] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you said you had to copy that file in because it was missing
[11:37] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: now you are saying it replaced a file that was already there
[11:37] <Wiz_KeeD> No I didn't, I just copied it
[11:37] <Wiz_KeeD> I have no idea if it replaced it or not
[11:38] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok - so that's a bad thing
[11:38] <ikonia> again - doing things blind = problem
[11:38] <Wiz_KeeD> agreed
[11:38] <Wiz_KeeD> ahh
[11:38] <Wiz_KeeD> I said the module wl was missing since it showed so in theee error log
[11:38] <Wiz_KeeD> I remember now
[11:38] <Wiz_KeeD> I have no idea if it was there from the beginning or not
[11:38] <Wiz_KeeD> but the error log clearly stated No such module wl
[11:38] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok, so that's bad then
[11:38] <Wiz_KeeD> before I did the copy
[11:38] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: where did you get the wl.ko module from ?
[11:39] <Wiz_KeeD> sec
[11:40] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/hybrid-v35_64-nodebug-pcoem-6_30_223_141.tar.gz
[11:41] <Wiz_KeeD> Thank God for history...
[11:41] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok, so while using this sort of thing can be good - it can also be bad to use blindly, and I think from what you are saying, that's the position you are in now
[11:41] <Wiz_KeeD> no arguments there
[11:41] <bitbuzzer> hi all. I'm running ubuntu 11.10 and I have an issue logging in via ssh, seems like a previous upgrade caused openSSL version mismatch. Running this: "/usr/sbin/sshd -t" outputs this: "OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000004f, you have 1000105f"
[11:42] <Wiz_KeeD> I also removed the blacklist.conf file
[11:42] <Wiz_KeeD> from the mo...thingy
[11:42] <Wiz_KeeD> that blacklisted the broadcom drivers
[11:42] <reisio> bitbuzzer: seems straightforward
[11:42] <bitbuzzer> when I try to ssh into the server from another machine I get this: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[11:42] <Wiz_KeeD> I can just remove that file and it's back to square 1...theoretically
[11:43] <bitbuzzer> reisio: care to elaborate?
[11:44] <b055> hi everybody! I'm running ubuntu LTS on windows azure, i did an update an hour ago (apt-get upgrade) one of the modules was apachemod_php5 and suddenly i have a very high load on my system and i see a lot of cpu is suddenly being taken by apache2 processes, is this a known issue ?
[11:44] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, now what?
[11:45] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: no, you're not back to square one
[11:45] <Wiz_KeeD> solutions
[11:46] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: well, you need to be confident to back things out, or just push forward with trying to work a solution out
[11:46] <Wiz_KeeD> which one would that be?
[11:46] <reisio> bitbuzzer: says you have the wrong version, says which one it wants, doesn't it?
[11:46] <Wiz_KeeD> Since this is what I was trying to do before
[11:47] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: yes, but we are moving forward from an unknown place.
[11:47] <Wiz_KeeD> that's why i wanted snapshots/reinstall, you're contradicting yourself :))
[11:47] <ikonia> no, I'm not
[11:47] <bitbuzzer> reisio: ok, what would be the command to sync versions? I've never done this before... thankx
[11:47] <ikonia> snapshots are not the answer
[11:48] <Wiz_KeeD> i'll just push on until i solve/break something
[11:48] <Wiz_KeeD> and I will go on or reinstall
[11:48] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok, so I'd suggest forcusing on the ubuntu broadcom modules
[11:48] <Wiz_KeeD> never an easy solution or aswer, tried multiple things these kind people here offered
[11:48] <reisio> bitbuzzer: would ask apt-cache what's available first
[11:48] <ikonia> focus on getting them installed and configured properly
[11:48] <JimmyJohns> AT what point does Wiz_KeeD get declared to be a TROLL?
[11:48] <ikonia> then - move forward from that point
[11:48] <reisio> bitbuzzer: or you could just try reinstalling both openssh-server and openssl and it might just work
[11:49] <ikonia> JimmyJohns: he's not, he's just in expeirenced/new user
[11:49] <ikonia> JimmyJohns: everyone starts somewhere
[11:49] <Wiz_KeeD> sudo apt-get upgrade or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:49] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok, so before going forward, I'd suggest having a little read of https://help.ubuntu.com get comfortable with the basic functions
[11:49] <JimmyJohns> ikonia: and every GOOD TROLL manages to persuade decent people they are not for a period.
[11:50] <Wiz_KeeD> read it for a bit ikonia, will do some more, thanks
[11:50] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: from there you can move forward easier because you'll understand the basic things people are discussing with you
[11:50] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: then it makes it easier to share information and trouble shoot
[11:50] <Wiz_KeeD> surely it will
[11:50] <reisio> JimmyJohns: IME, people are declared trolls the moment they disagree with someone else who spends too much time online :)
[11:51] <Wiz_KeeD> since working from the console, this would be ok? https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/package-management-introduction.html
[11:51] <reisio> Wiz_KeeD: sounds like a plan
[11:51] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/apt-get.html
[11:51] <Wiz_KeeD> alright going for it
[11:51] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: also the gui is a good tool, don't be scared of using it
[11:52] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, should I install ALL updates or just some important ones like security etc? I remember updating in the past and A LOT of things getting broken which I had no idea how to fix
[11:53] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you should install all updates - things will only break if a.) you are using external software repos b.) you are using custom software (such as your compiled module) c.) a genuine bug - which are actually very rare
[11:54] <smoores> This cron job and script I made are sending me blank emails. If i execute the script on my terminal, the e-mail has content. What's the deal? http://pastebin.com/vXS4a5Wb
[11:54] <Wiz_KeeD> alright
[11:54] <Wiz_KeeD> dpkg -L package shows the files installed by the package, are these ALL the changes that package made on the system?
[11:54] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it will just show the packages
[11:54] <Wiz_KeeD> And I assume this is the information used when you remove or purge
[11:55] <chucjh> can someone help me with vaapi drivers
[11:55] <chucjh> when I run mythtv frontend, it crashes
[11:55] <Wiz_KeeD> To list the files installed by a package, in this case the ufw package, enter: dpkg -L ufw
[11:55] <Wiz_KeeD> -l are the packages
[11:56] <BruceS> I have needed to drop back to kernel 3.0.2-052-generic - 053 periodically hangs for no apparent reason and needs a HARD reset - if I run apt-get dist-upgrade will the system bring back the 053 or will it apply patches to what I have?
[11:56] <ikonia> correct
[11:56] <Neo31> are there channels dedicated for ubuntu global jam ?
[11:56] <Wiz_KeeD> Ahh and for example when I removed the libsql library with apt-get that cleared the entire system with apt-get
[11:57] <ChanSavr> in this day and age is it okay to use a single partition for a server?
[11:57] <Wiz_KeeD> If I really wanted to do it again I'd use dpkg -r package
[11:57] <Wiz_KeeD> since It would not consider the dependencies as well right?
[11:57] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: apt-get is the right way
[11:57] <ChanSavr> using 2x1TB hdd in raid1
[11:58] <Wiz_KeeD> I know it is, was just talking in theory
[11:58] <ikonia> in theory - apt-get is the correct way to do it, and the way you should use
[11:59] <Wiz_KeeD> What are the apt-get configuration files that purge removes, and their purpose?
[11:59] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: sorry, I don't understand what you are asking
[11:59] <honestly> Wiz_KeeD: purge removes the application config files
[12:00] <beykno> is "ifconfig" command used in almost all linux distros or does it differ from distro to distro?
[12:00] <Wiz_KeeD> application config files, what do they actually provide
[12:00] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: they are for the application you are removing
[12:00] <honestly> they provide config...
[12:00] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: if you are removing the application, why keep the config ?
[12:00] <honestly> it's where the application settings are saved
[12:01] <reisio> beykno: don't cross post :/
[12:03] <dhanasekaran> Hi Guys I am facing Kernel panic with message "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message
[12:03] <dhanasekaran> can you guide me how to fix this
[12:03] <dhanasekaran> I am ubuntu 12.04
[12:04] <ikonia> dhanasekaran: look a few lines up - does it give a clue to what's hanging ?
[12:04] <dhanasekaran>  3.2.0-37-generic
[12:04] <daftykins> i had that issue the other day
[12:04] <dhanasekaran> ikonia: http://i.imgur.com/HypzZNv.png
[12:04] <daftykins> have you checked that your disk is fine?
[12:05] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, I've used the gui to install security and important packages and it errored out giving me the option to send the problem...
[12:05] <ikonia> dhanasekaran: ahhh disk hanging
[12:05] <dhanasekaran> I am not able to login machine ssh and snmp down
[12:05] <Wiz_KeeD> I am going to restart now to see what happens
[12:05] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it sounds like your install is a real mess if you can't do updates
[12:05] <moosebook> hi guys. i run wicd on my laptop and it has suddenly started giving me trouble while connecting to the internet. wicd shows that the connection has been made, however it does not go though. pinging 'ping -c 3 www.google.com' results in 'ping: unknown host www.google.com'. the laptop dual boots with windows 7, and windows connects without a problem. what should i do?
[12:05] <daftykins> dhanasekaran: can you reset it?
[12:05] <Wiz_KeeD> right, my fault
[12:05] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you installed ALL available updates, correct ?
[12:05] <Wiz_KeeD> Security and Important
[12:05] <Wiz_KeeD> All of them checked
[12:05] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ALL available updates ?
[12:06] <dhanasekaran> daftykins: let me try
[12:06] <Wiz_KeeD> Security and Important from the settings and checked everything in that list
[12:06] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ALL available updates ?
[12:06] <Wiz_KeeD> I told you this is what happened last time on a fresh install, i'm not crazy
[12:06] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: did you select ALL updates available ?
[12:06] <Luyin> Wiz_KeeD: you should always install ALL available updates. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade should do
[12:06] <dhanasekaran> daftykins: Iet me try power recycle
[12:06] <daftykins> ok
[12:07] <Wiz_KeeD> http://pastie.org/8322616
[12:07] <Wiz_KeeD> that is what it returend
[12:07] <Wiz_KeeD> So I assume yes
[12:07] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: just so I'm clear - you selected ALL available updates ?
[12:07] <daftykins> bbl
[12:07] <Wiz_KeeD> yes
[12:07] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: as in everything it offered,
[12:07] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: great, ok, so that's what you need to do going forward
[12:07] <Luyin> ikonia: check his paste, seems good.
[12:08] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you need to keep on top of that
[12:08] <Wiz_KeeD> that's what i'm saying
[12:08] <Wiz_KeeD> It errored out though
[12:08] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: however, if your update manager is crashing, you have more problems
[12:08] <Wiz_KeeD> As I thought it would happen, as it did last time
[12:08] <Wiz_KeeD> Will reboot see what happens
[12:08] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: if it's acceptable, I'd suggest re-installing as you wanted to do earlier - and then going through each phase of setting up your desktop how you want it
[12:09] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: eg: install - update to current, confirm working, get your wireless working, update, confirm working, get required software installed safely, confirm working, all the time keeping up to date
[12:09] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: as basic updates should not cause your system to crash
[12:10] <Etilas> anybody tried to setup Quake2 on Ubuntu? How did it go?
[12:10] <ikonia> Etilas:  long time ago, worked fine, may have a few problems with modern ubuntu though as a lots changed
[12:11] <smoores> This cron job and script I made are sending me blank emails. If i execute the script on my terminal, the e-mail has content. What's the deal? http://pastebin.com/vXS4a5Wb
[12:11] <ikonia> smoores: look at the output your command is generating first.
[12:11] <ikonia> smoores: is the subject line blank ?
[12:12] <Wiz_KeeD> haha, now when I boot it says hub: port status failed
[12:12] <Wiz_KeeD> like 20 times
[12:12] <Wiz_KeeD> so much for the update
[12:12] <smoores> ikonia: just the content of the email is blank
[12:12] <Wiz_KeeD> Now I remember why I didn't do them
[12:12] <smoores> ikonia: the command outputs fine if i execute the script
[12:12] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: stop blaming the updates
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[12:12] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: again - youre' guessing blindly
[12:12] <smoores> ikonia:its in roots crontab.
[12:12] <Wiz_KeeD> hahaha, it just started to do that when I updated
[12:12] <reisio> hey BluesKaj
[12:12] <smoores> ikonia: cron job sends me a blank email
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hi reisio
[12:12] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: yes, but your machine also crashed when you update which suggests something more serious is wrong
[12:13] <Wiz_KeeD> okay nvm
[12:13] <ikonia> smoores: but the subject is ok from cron ?
[12:13] <smoores> ikonia: yeah
[12:13] <Wiz_KeeD> Can you tell me in advance what would you say if i do a fresh install and update and it breaks?
[12:13] <Wiz_KeeD> Just out of curiosity
[12:13] <Wiz_KeeD> pure curiosity
[12:13] <smoores> ikonia: the script is +x and 777
[12:14] <reisio> define 'it breaks'
[12:14] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I'd work through the problem from a known clean/good base to understand what's failing and why
[12:14] <Ana3412> i'm a lonely girl
[12:14] <reisio> oh sorry misunderstood
[12:14] <Wiz_KeeD> ahhhhhhhh, I see :)) that's enough for me, okay thanks
[12:14] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you may have a genuine bug, in which case we need to get it logged and fixed, however from what we know at the moment - I'd assume not
[12:14] <Wiz_KeeD> i'd just avoid updating if the system works so there are ust two different approaches
[12:14] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: avoiding updates is not really an option
[12:15] <Wiz_KeeD> okay, time for format for the...37th time :))
[12:15] <reisio> :/
[12:15] <EdwardSnowden> Wiz_KeeD, Wifi still not working?
[12:15] <BruceS> I can't believe your patience guys - Wiz_KeeD is taking all of your time and ignoring your advice
[12:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Ignoring? I just did everything I was told :))
[12:15] <ikonia> BruceS: we're on the right track now, so just hang in
[12:15] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: remember this time - don't rush into ANYTHING
[12:15] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: clean install - confirm working, plugin wired cable, update, reboot, confirm working
[12:16] <Wiz_KeeD> I never do, I followed EdwardSnowden's advice step-by-step
[12:16] <ikonia> nothing else
[12:16] <reisio> heh
[12:16] <Wiz_KeeD> Yes sir, will you be around to help then?
[12:16] <Wiz_KeeD> I will not do a single cd .. without permission :))
[12:16] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: please don't say you don't rush in, because we've just proved you do typing commands yo udon't konw what they do
[12:16] <Wiz_KeeD> just sudo apt-get install xchat to get here
[12:16] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: the channel is here to help
[12:16] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: sure, install xchat
[12:16] <Wiz_KeeD> Okay, format, brb in...how much it would take
[12:16] <Wiz_KeeD> One word of advice
[12:16] <Wiz_KeeD> there is the option of download and install plugins while installing ubuntu, should I check that?
[12:17] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: lets keep it sane - don't do that now
[12:17] <Luyin> Wiz_KeeD: you won't even need that, on a fresh install of ubuntu you have Empathy to connect to IRC if you wish to use that.
[12:17] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: base install from cd - no updates, confirm working, run updates from wired connection, confirm working
[12:17] <Luyin> ikonia: why not install the plugins already? that keeps him from problems later
[12:17] <ikonia> Luyin: because we don't know if there is a genuine bug with an update on his machine
[12:17] <Wiz_KeeD> i'll wait until it's settled
[12:18] <ikonia> Luyin: so this can confirm if the bug comes from an update
[12:18] <Luyin> ikonia: ok
[12:18] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia and everyone, despite my frustration from inability to get things done and start working I really appreciate the time and patience given
[12:18] <ikonia> Luyin: normall I agree with you, but we have a big gap of unknown here
[12:18] <Wiz_KeeD> nobody here is forced to help with anything yet everyone does, I do appreciate that
[12:18] <smoores> ikonia: any idea why my root crontab job isn't piping output from pflogsumm to mail?
[12:18] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, and if it does I have to format once more :(
[12:18] <Wiz_KeeD> puff
[12:18] <Luyin> Wiz_KeeD: good luck and you're welcome ;)
[12:19] <Wiz_KeeD> ok so no updates
[12:19] <ikonia> smoores: probaly because the command you are using to generate the output isn't in the root users $PATH
[12:19] <Wiz_KeeD> Then I'll be guinee pig and install them
[12:19] <Wiz_KeeD> brb
[12:19] <smoores> ikonia: /usr/sbin/pflogsumm
[12:19] <ikonia> smoores: can you run it as a non-privileged user ?
[12:20] <smoores> ikonia: yes
[12:20] <ikonia> smoores: test it with your own crontab and find out if it's a problem with crontab/root-crontab and we can move forward
[12:22] <smoores> ikonia: doesn't work from non-privileged users crontab
[12:22] <smoores> ikonia: works from non-privileged users shell, though
[12:23] <ikonia> smoores: ok, so it's the crontab shell
[12:23] <ikonia> smoores: so in your script put the full path to the applcation, see if that makes a difference
[12:23] <ikonia> smoores: I suspect it's the default shell enviornment
[12:23] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> ikonia: install this third-party software fluendo mp3 pligin mpeg layer-3 audio decoding technology etc?
[12:23] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: no
[12:23] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> ok
[12:23] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: hence "3rd party"
[12:23] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> yea qas dodgy
[12:24] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> asked just to be sure, would not check it myself
[12:24] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: no problem, asking is the right thing to do
[12:24] <darko> Hello
[12:24] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> Installation type, something else tight?
[12:24] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: pardon ? what do you mean ?
[12:25] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> Since Erase ububtu 12.04.3 lts and reinstall crashed last time
[12:25] <smoores> ikonia: did the trick, thanks.
[12:25] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: hang on, the installer has been crashing ?
[12:25] <ikonia> smoores: no sweat
[12:25] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> I would be better off deleting the partition right?
[12:25] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: has the installer been crashing before ?
[12:25] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> if i did chiise the first option when reinstaling
[12:25] <darko> i need to change the background color of nautilus , but i am using ubuntu 12.04 so there is no longer the "Background and Emblems" option
[12:26] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> not the first time and when i deleted the partition
[12:26] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: just looking for yes/no - has the installer being crashing when you've tried to install in the past
[12:26] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> only when reinstalling the firat time with that option
[12:26] <darko> i searched online and found out i need to edit nautilus.css , but i can only change the sidebar colors through that
[12:26] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: so "yes"
[12:26] <PeterGriffin> Samba problem: When I try to create ot copy file in a samba share from a Kubuntu desktop, the access is denied. It happens when it is mounted fron /etc/fstab. When I mount it browsing the network from frowser it acts ok.
[12:26] <Juiffi> Oh Lord YEAH! I was creating a new partition table for my usb memory. Well, forced it from commandline, since Gparted failed. At that time it was labeled sdC. After reboot it was sdB and my external 500GB HDD was the sdC. Guess who formatted the bloody 500gb drive with  8 days of nonspot music (and no pirated! ALL ripped from CDs! **** of a job), all my photos, Band promotion pictures etc.  I'm really happy now.
[12:26] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> not on the last install it didn't
[12:26] <darko> any way i can change the actual browsing window's background color ?
[12:26] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> just when i picked that option on first reinstall
[12:26] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: I didn't ask the last install - I asked if it had crashed on previous installs
[12:27] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> that said erase ununtu and rinstall
[12:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: please try to answer clearly the question I asked - not the answer you think I need
[12:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: have previous installers crashed - yes/no
[12:27] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> yes then
[12:27] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> what's your conclusion
[12:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: how many installs crashed
[12:27] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> 1
[12:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: and it's a specific option that causes the crash
[12:27] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> yew
[12:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: which option
[12:28] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> Erase Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS and reinstall (only available if ybuntu has veen pteviously installed)
[12:28] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: ok, as you have nothing to lose at this point, verify if that option still crashed, it could be useful later
[12:28] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> when there was unpartitioned space it worked with just install ubuntu
[12:29] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> hmm...
[12:29] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> I'll submit to bug test sure
[12:29] <ikonia> no
[12:29] <ikonia> I didn't say submit a bug
[12:29] <ikonia> I said verify if that option still crashes
[12:29] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: please please pay attention to what you are being asked to do
[12:29] <ikonia> stop rushing ahead with what you think you're being asked
[12:31] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> I'm testing it you will submit it maybe :))
[12:31] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> i'm installing, it takes a bit
[12:31] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> so far so good
[12:31] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: there is no need to submit anything at this time
[12:31] <utente> ciao
[12:31] <utente> c'è qualcuno che parla ITALIANO ?
[12:32] <utente> mi serve aiuto..
[12:32] <ikonia> !it | utente
[12:32] <utente> Ok, I need help I ve just installed ubuntustudio 13.10 and I need to
[12:32] <utente> install grub customizer to add some options in the grub2 menu
[12:33] <utente> how can I do, please?
[12:34] <utente> anyone please?
[12:34] <DJones> utente: For queries about Ubuntu STudio 13.10 you're probably better asking in either #ubuntu+1 (which is the support channel for development versions of Ubuntu), or possibly #ubuntustudio (although they may also refer you to #ubuntu+1
[12:34] <PeterGriffin> Samba problem: When I try to create ot copy file in a samba share from a Kubuntu desktop, the access is denied. It happens when it is mounted fron /etc/fstab. When I mount it browsing the network from frowser it acts ok.
[12:37] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> ikonia: does it matter how the partition was formatted before? could that affect anything?
[12:37] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: as in filesystem option ?
[12:38] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> os-wise idk
[12:38] <ikonia> os wise ?
[12:38] <ikonia> what do you mean ?
[12:38] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> 1 sec
[12:43] <lessless> hey folks, why does my keyboard don't work in mark of the ninja game? it's a directx11 game afaik
[12:44] <Pessimist> !wine
[12:46] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, it has installed successfully and rebooted gracefully, but this comes up on boot and it say on top right i have restricted software: https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/20130913_154134.jpg?w=AAAl6S2rnttyZ8NstukNYBs-vAnkYd91NTp11sf3UJfmMQ
[12:46] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that post you've made is private, I can't see it
[12:46] <Wiz_KeeD> I have done nothing else except sudo apt-get install xchat
[12:46] <Wiz_KeeD> ah damn
[12:47] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, https://www.dropbox.com/s/ck1h1qdmom1oh19/20130913_154134.jpg
[12:47] <Wiz_KeeD> ?
[12:47] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: does that actually stop it booting ?
[12:47] <Wiz_KeeD> no, as you can see i'm online here
[12:47] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that's just a warning about your wireless cards firmware
[12:47] <Wiz_KeeD> I know
[12:47] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok, that's fine and not unexpected at this time
[12:48] <Wiz_KeeD> most probably, awaiting your clear commands
[12:48] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: so now update to the current update level applying all offered updates
[12:48] <Wiz_KeeD> I'm opening up a file in google drive to write down all the commands I issue
[12:48] <Wiz_KeeD> I still have wired connection and wired connection 1 lol
[12:48] <Wiz_KeeD> I think it was already there
[12:48] <Wiz_KeeD> ok
[12:48] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that's not a problem - we'll deal with that later
[12:49] <Wiz_KeeD> 35 updates have been detected everything is clicked
[12:49] <Wiz_KeeD> Install updates as it popped up right?
[12:49] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: correct
[12:49] <Wiz_KeeD> mass-kick! :))
[12:49] <ikonia> !away > dean|away
[12:52] <dean> @ikonia sorry about that!
[12:53] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, installed gracefully, asking for reboot
[12:53] <ikonia> dean: not a problem
[12:53] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok, so this should give us some info
[12:53] <Wiz_KeeD> in what sense ikonia ?
[12:53] <Wiz_KeeD> btw, where are you from if you don't mind me asking?
[12:53] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: we'll know if updates actually break your system or not - as this point you have nothing but official ubuntu software installed
[12:54] <Kartagis> how do I change the language? it turned to Japanese and I can't read it
[12:54] <Wiz_KeeD> Indeed, and no errors so far
[12:54] <Wiz_KeeD> Should I reboot ikonia or should I get a log of things updated or something?
[12:54] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: reboot - we just need a black and white answer at this time
[12:55] <Wiz_KeeD> ok, on it
[12:56] <mrrcp> hey is there a way to remove the /home encryption?
[12:56] <m113t> mrrcp: Is it full encyrption that you've turned on?
[12:57] <mrrcp> yea
[12:57] <mrrcp> during install
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[12:57] <m113t> OK, run the Disks app
[12:57] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, no problems except the same error at the start
[12:57] <Wiz_KeeD> other than that, it looks okay
[12:57] <m113t> and you will have any option to right click and change/remove password
[12:57] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok, so then "updates don't break your system"
[12:57] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it something you are doing to your system that's causing a conflict/problem with the updates
[12:58] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: which also seems true as you couldn't install the broadcom packages from the ubuntu repo
[12:58] <mrrcp> disky utility?
[12:58] <m113t> mrrcp: yes
[12:58] <Wiz_KeeD> how would I install drivers to work with my wireless card?
[12:58] <mrrcp> hmm
[12:58] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: we'll get to that - there should be a package in the restricted drivers tool
[12:58] <mrrcp> i do not see that option
[12:59] <Wiz_KeeD> what is the next step then ikonia ?
[12:59] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: can you give me a few minutes, I'm just working on a document and want to finish my current chapter
[13:00] <m113t> mrrcp:under volumes, you should have one that says LUKS... select that, and then right click the settings cog, and you should have a "Change Passphrase" option
[13:00] <Wiz_KeeD> sure thing ikonia, in the meantime I can install simple packages such as bzr and skype using the tutorial here
[13:00] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: no
[13:00] <Wiz_KeeD> okay then
[13:00] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what part of "no 3rd party software" am I not getting across
[13:00] <Wiz_KeeD> it's in the apt-get?
[13:00] <Wiz_KeeD> bzr
[13:00] <jhutchins> !tell Wiz_KeeD about wifi
[13:01] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I'm not trying to be awkward, but it's getting really frustrating to guide you / advise you when you just keep ignoring the advice
[13:01] <mrrcp> nopr
[13:01] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I clearly said - 1.) get your desktop installed 2.) update - confirm it's working 3.) get your wifi working, 4.) make sure it's up to date and confirmed working
[13:01] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: those need to happen before you consider installing any software
[13:01] <mrrcp> no option
[13:01] <Wiz_KeeD> agreed, will read documentation in the meantime
[13:02] <blablabla> Hi, I installed Ubuntu 13.4 and now I can not in any way make the flash work, could help me?
[13:02] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I've made that clear to you multiple times now and you still seem to be ignoring it and rushing ahead, it's very very frustrating now
[13:02] <Wiz_KeeD> ping me when you are available please
[13:02] <m113t> mrrcp: this is when you click the cogs on the LUKS option?
[13:02] <mrrcp> o well
[13:02] <mrrcp> what is luks?
[13:03] <m113t> LUKS is the name of the encryption system that ubuntu uses...
[13:03] <mrrcp> i think the only thing encrypted is my home folder
[13:03] <mrrcp> nothing else
[13:03] <mrrcp> so there are no options like that under disk util
[13:03] <mrrcp> i have clicked on everything
[13:04] <m113t> mrrcp: I dont know how to change that sorry. I thought you meant full disk encryption which is LUKS
[13:04] <blablabla> Hi, I installed Ubuntu 13.4 and now I can not in any way make the flash work, could help me?
[13:04] <mrrcp> o no .. sorry
[13:04] <m113t> mrrcp: All good
[13:04] <m113t> blablabla: What browser are you using?
[13:04] <blablabla> Firefox
[13:05] <m113t> I couldn't use flash with firefox
[13:05] <m113t> I ended up installing google chrome, which comes prelaoded with flash
[13:05] <Wiz_KeeD> installing applications withing the ubuntu repository is considered 3rd party?
[13:05] <Wiz_KeeD> It maybe a confusion of terms here
[13:05] <blablabla> Which browser should I use?
[13:06] <m113t> blablabla: Chrome is alot faster than firefox on linux
[13:06] <m113t> blablabla: I would recommend chrome, but its what you feel comfortable using
[13:06] <blablabla> I will try, then I'll be back .. thanks.
[13:11] <shivani> guys "ping google.conm" is working in my vm box but "sudo apt-get update" is not
[13:11] <shivani> please suggest a fix
[13:12] <Tm_T> shivani: please give the exact error apt-get is giving
[13:13] <shivani> Tm_T: http://img.ctrlv.in/img/52330f72f063e.png
[13:13] <shivani> this is the screenshot of my vm
[13:15] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, anything I can read in the meantime so I won't waste time on facebook or such? regarding the wireless thing
[13:15] <shivani> Tm_T: any ideas? fixes?
[13:16] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: depends how much help you want
[13:17] <Wiz_KeeD> i won't run anything unless you instruct so, so far it looks good
[13:17] <blablabla> I turned personal when I start browsing with google chrome, a message appears saying that it can not be loaded.
[13:17] <Wiz_KeeD> i assume browsing won't break anything until you're available
[13:17] <Pessimist> shivani, http://askubuntu.com/questions/104695/how-do-i-change-mirrors-in-ubuntu-server-from-regional-to-main and http://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me-or-choose-a-faster-mirror. Basically it seems that there is a problem with your internet connection if you can ping google.com but you can't connect to ubuntu repos.
[13:18] <Tm_T> shivani: have you tried to ping the repositories it fails to connect to?
[13:18] <m113t> blablabla: what does the message say? can you browse youtube?
[13:18] <Pessimist> shivani, try editing your sources.list like in the second link (don't forget to change to the version you have) and try apt-get update
[13:18] <shivani> Pessimist: trying
[13:18] <shivani> Tm_T: nope
[13:19] <blablabla> I'll try youtube
[13:19] <blablabla> Take a few minutes
[13:19] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, Ubuntu 12.04 has experienced an internal error, I was just browsing...
[13:19] <Wiz_KeeD> I really fail to see what I did wrong now, just sudo apt-get install xchat, open firefox and open 2 articles and facebook...
[13:20] <BlitzHere> Hi all. So I just got a Dell Vostro 3560 with Ubuntu preinstalled
[13:20] <BlitzHere> It comes with 12.04
[13:20] <m113t> xchat is 3rd party software? did he not tell you to not install third party software :S
[13:20] <blablabla> Unable to load Shockwave Flash.
[13:20] <blablabla> This is the message
[13:20] <BlitzHere> There appears to be some proprietary stuff in the preinstalled build
[13:20] <BlitzHere> Is it safe to upgrade to 12.10 and then to 13.04?
[13:21] <Tm_T> BlitzHere: should be AFAIK
[13:21] <Pessimist> BlitzHere, or just do a fresh install and save time
[13:21] <jhutchins> BlitzHere: Check with Dell support.  They may have newer versions of proprietary driers if there are any.
[13:21] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, still there?
[13:22] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: yes
[13:22] <BlitzHere> jhutchins: I checked their repo. They don't have anything after precise
[13:22] <jhutchins> BlitzHere: make a backup so you can restore it if something breaks, or install the newer version to a new partition so you can boot back to the old one.
[13:22] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: can you detail the error
[13:23] <Wiz_KeeD> i just was because i opened the network menu
[13:23] <Wiz_KeeD> happens every time
[13:23] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that maybe because it's trying to configure your wireless card and it's not in a position to be configured
[13:24] <BlitzHere> jhutchins, Pessimist: I'm currently running a live 13.10 off of a USB drive and some stuff like the brightness is broken. There might be other stuff broken too...
[13:24] <Wiz_KeeD> Could very well be, didn't think of that :\ one second until it shows the details
[13:24] <Wiz_KeeD> how do I share the details ikonia ?
[13:24] <BlitzHere> I default build had some more proprietary that made things work
[13:25] <Wiz_KeeD> Only when I close the window it comes up ikonia
[13:25] <Pessimist> BlitzHere, 13.10 is not yet released and expected to have bugs. If your default installation has some propertary drivers it's likely that they will brake the system once your upgrade to 12.10 and 13.04 because your kernel will get upgraded too
[13:25] <Wiz_KeeD> Do you think you can help out with the wireless driver and see if it comes back again? or tell me how I can share the details
[13:26] <m113t> Pessimist: i'm running 13.10, fyi it is reasonably stable.
[13:27] <Tm_T> m113t: it's still not supported or release-ready (:
[13:27] <BlitzHere> Pessimist: Thanks! That's what I was looking for!
[13:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I said I will help you as soon as I'm finished what i'm doing
[13:27] <BlitzHere> Pessimist: I'll probably just upgrade and see what happens. Dell gives a recovery partition to restore to stock anyway
[13:27] <Wiz_KeeD> Don't want to be pushy but I can't stay for very long around the office, can you approximate, more or less?
[13:28] <m113t> Tm_T: Do we know when it will be?
[13:28] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I suggest you leave then and pick this up when you return to th eoffice.
[13:28] <Tm_T> m113t: when it's released, that is in next month
[13:29] <m113t> Tm_T: Will compiz be removed later for Mir, do you know anything about that? I get a 10 second delay after logging in before it shows my desktop
[13:29] <BlitzHere> Hmmm, I should have downloaded 13.04. I got 13.10 because unetbootin on 12.04 didn't have that option and I was too lazy to download the iso myself... :P
[13:29] <Wiz_KeeD> I am in the office, but can't stay here forever, and at Home have just wireless which means I won't be able to use ubuntu with ethernet, that's my worry
[13:29] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: then pick this up tomorrow when you come back to the office.
[13:29] <shivani> Tm_T: I still get this ->http://img.ctrlv.in/img/523313257cf2b.png ; after adding the lines in /etc/sources.txt
[13:29] <Pessimist> BlitzHere, not being able to change the brightness is a common thing people face: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28848/what-does-the-kernel-boot-parameter-set-acpi-osi-linux-do. I would save the output of "lspci -nn" somewhere and look online if you NEED to get any propertary drivers. Then you can download and read how to install them before installing ubuntu 13.04.
[13:29] <Wiz_KeeD> tommorow it's saturday, and I just reformatted my computer...damn
[13:29] <shivani> Pessimist: ^^
[13:30] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you just formatted the machine you are working on ? or a different computer ?
[13:30] <Wiz_KeeD> the machine i'm working on, i already lost 3 days of work and cannot afford one more
[13:30] <Wiz_KeeD> even if it's packed with errors every time I boot i literally can't spend more time on this at least now
[13:30] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: then don't spend any more time on it
[13:30] <BlitzHere> Pessimist: Thanks! I was hoping not to have to troubleshoot by buying a laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled....
[13:31] <Wiz_KeeD> Then i'm forced to barell through using articles, sorry
[13:31] <Wiz_KeeD> thanks for your help
[13:31] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: if this is a business critical machine I have no idea why you are using an OS you cannot manage, just use something like Windows
[13:31] <Wiz_KeeD> I'll try to fix it myself
[13:31] <Wiz_KeeD> okay
[13:31] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: this is a crazy approach for a business critical machine
[13:31] <ikonia> (assuming you are confident using windows of course)
[13:32] <Wiz_KeeD> i'll just ask people here and try to fix it
[13:32] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I very very very strongly advise against doing what you've done before
[13:32] <BlitzHere> Tm_T, Pessimist, jhutchins: Thanks! I'll factory reset, make a recovery disk and try upgrading from a clean install, just in case Dell's recovery partition doesn't work...
[13:32] <Pessimist> BlitzHere, if it has ubuntu preinstalled it's a good chance that is 'ubuntu certified' and should work oob: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/. As I've said, not being able to change brightness is a common thing
[13:32] <Wiz_KeeD> Guys, i'm firing up additional drivers to install wireless drivers
[13:33] <Wiz_KeeD> And it gives an error
[13:33] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: we are making good progress but you can't be running this machine like this if it is business critical, why are you using an OS you have no idea how to manage on a business critical machine
[13:33] <Wiz_KeeD> It's my personal laptop ikonia and i've worked on ubuntu for 2 years without any major problems since I didn't update, until i made that mistake
[13:33] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: is there a reason you are forcing ubuntu onto this machine if it's business critical
[13:33] <horrow> hello guys somebody can help me to configure program logkeys on ubuntu 13.04 64bit edition???
[13:33] <Wiz_KeeD> other than that it was managable
[13:34] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: please please please, don't rush into this as you did before, your machine is working now - build on that
[13:34] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: no random guides, no random commands, no random software until wireless is working stable
[13:34] <Wiz_KeeD> I have done nothing except sudo apt-get install xchat
[13:34] <m113t> Does anyone know to mute a user in xChat?
[13:34] <ikonia> m113t: /ignore
[13:34] <m113t> ta
[13:35] <BlitzHere> Pessimist: I don't trust Ubuntu certified completely actually. I was looking at this thinkpad E530 which is apparently Ubuntu enabled but several sub models are not compatible...
[13:35] <Wiz_KeeD> Now i've opened additional drivers and I see Broadcom STA wireless driver that is not activated and the Activate button on the bottom right
[13:35] <Wiz_KeeD>  This package contains Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver for use with Broadcom's BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4313-, BCM4321-, BCM4322-, BCM43224-, and BCM43225-, BCM43227- and BCM43228-based hardware.
[13:36] <BlitzHere> Anyway, the dell Vostro 3460 is Ubuntu certified. I have a Vostro 3560 which is a very similar model
[13:37] <Wiz_KeeD> does anyone advise to try to install wireless from that?
[13:38] <Wiz_KeeD> Or what is the proper way to attempt to install wireless drivers?
[13:39] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, can you provide a reasonable tutorial on steps to follow since reading forums and articles is not ok
[13:40] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: not at this time as I'm just finishing off some work
[13:40] <Wiz_KeeD> right
[13:41] <BlitzHere> Thnaks eveyone
[13:41] <BlitzHere> I'll figure stuff out and be back later
[13:41] <BlitzHere> exit
[13:41] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: I can maybe walk you through installing your wireless drivers
[13:41] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: I haven't been reading any problems you've been having though
[13:42] <Wiz_KeeD> that's mighty thoughfull of you cutie
[13:42] <Wiz_KeeD> or "cute" :)
[13:42] <Wiz_KeeD> I just tried installing the drivers via additional drivers in the ubuntu gui
[13:42] <Wiz_KeeD> By pressing activate and it errored out
[13:42] <blablabla> I try to watch videos on youtube and a message saying: Unable load Shockwave Flash.
[13:42] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: What Ubuntu version are you on, and do you know what wireless card you have?
[13:42] <cutie> blablabla: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[13:43] <mernilio> Hi all! :-)
[13:43] <blablabla> I'll try that.
[13:44] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie: 04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01),  Linux local-ubuntu 3.8.0-30-generic #44~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 23 18:32:41 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:45] <Mr_Mulll> hey guys i found a problem with my computer, and i was wondering who can help
[13:45] <nogier> slt
[13:45] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: First do this: sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source
[13:45] <cutie> Ask your question, Mr_Mulll :)
[13:45] <Mr_Mulll> it's called "Windows" I need to get rid of it but i cant
[13:45] <mernilio> Mr_Mulll: sure, im the kingpin here!
[13:45] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie, it sais something about bcmwl-kernel-source and the log says http://pastie.org/8322829
[13:45] <Wiz_KeeD> are you sure cutie?
[13:45] <ikonia> whoaaaaa
[13:45] <Luyin> Wiz_KeeD: there is a decent wiki, regretably in German: ubuntuusers.de. just found this one, but don't know it so can't say anything about its quality: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[13:45] <Mr_Mulll> whats the best linux distro?
[13:46] <ikonia> that should'nt be installed by default
[13:46] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: Oh that was you
[13:46] <cutie> !best | Mr_Mulll
[13:46] <Wiz_KeeD> sorry?
[13:46] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: I saw your error earlier. Yes, do that apt-get remove
[13:46] <Wiz_KeeD> ok cutie, thank you, acting now
[13:46] <cutie> Wait Wiz_KeeD , you do have Internet on this machine?
[13:47] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie, through ethernet, yes
[13:47] <cutie> OK good
[13:47] <Wiz_KeeD> My additional drivers window won't close now
[13:47] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: ignore it
[13:47] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer b43-fwcutter
[13:47] <Luyin> Mr_Mulll: if your computer can do it, try Ubuntu, Ubuntu Gnome or Kubuntu for starters. If it's a little older or you're not sure it can make the necessary performance, give Xubuntu or Lubuntu a try. If you like none of those, come back ;)
[13:47] <nogier> french ?
[13:47] <mernilio> Mr_Mulll: my answer is. If the distro is easy to install and everythings goes just fine, you will not learn anything.
[13:48] <cutie> !fr > NoNMaDDe_
[13:48] <cutie> sorry NoNMaDDe_
[13:48] <Wiz_KeeD> ok cutie
[13:48] <Luyin> mernilio: you can learn enough to proceed with "only" a newbie-distro like Ubuntu imho
[13:48] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: When you have done that, please tell me the output from the command: cat /etc/modprobe.d/* | egrep 'bcm'
[13:48] <Wiz_KeeD> One seccond
[13:48] <Mr_Mulll> oh come now
[13:48] <Wiz_KeeD> http://pastie.org/8322842
[13:49] <Mr_Mulll> Luyin; i've previously used Ubuntu 10.x and 11.04, Unity ruined it
[13:49] <mernilio> Luyin sure! if you dont dare the console.
[13:49] <blablabla> Tentando usar o youtube apareceu me a mensagem: Shockwave flash has crashed.
[13:49] <Luyin> Mr_Mulll: than use another DE.
[13:49] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie, now what? :(
[13:49] <blablabla> Trying to use youtube showed me the message: Shockwave flash has crashed.
[13:49] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[13:49] <Mr_Mulll> i got ISOs for xubuntu here, made a bootable USB but it didn't get bootable
[13:49] <cutie> blablabla: What browser and Ubuntu version are you using?
[13:49] <Mr_Mulll> maybe do the whole syslinux -maf thingy again
[13:50] <cutie> Mr_Mulll: You don't have to do that any more, you can just dd it to the flash drive or use a tool like unetbootin
[13:50] <blablabla> Google Chrome and Xubuntu 13.4
[13:50] <Luyin> mernilio: Ubuntu has become something of a linux distro for people with a fear for the console, yes. But that doesn't mean you can use it. Personally, I think that's great as a beginner: you can start slowly and see if working with a console is to your taste.
[13:50] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie, http://pastie.org/8322849
[13:50] <Wiz_KeeD> Seems to have worked in the end but bumped into some issues
[13:50] <Mr_Mulll> 11.04 boots fine
[13:51] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: I just need you to let me know the output of cat /etc/modprobe.d/* | egrep 'bcm'
[13:51] <shivani> is it possible to make a bootable usb in ubuntu ?
[13:51] <Mr_Mulll> god damnit! told you windows is a problem, crap keeps freezing
[13:51] <shivani> anyone knows the how to part of this ?
[13:51] <Wiz_KeeD> blacklist bcm43xx
[13:51] <Wiz_KeeD> it's blacklisted
[13:51] <Luyin> shivani: of course, see unetbootin
[13:51] <cutie> shivani: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[13:52] <Mr_Mulll> shivani; very possible ; pendrivelinux.com
[13:52] <shivani> Thanks a ton guys :)
[13:52] <Luyin> and I gather there's an onboard tool for that, too, in ubuntu
[13:52] <Luyin> forgot its name, however
[13:52] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: can you now do: gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[13:52] <Wiz_KeeD> yes
[13:52] <Wiz_KeeD> I could do it with vim also, should i comment that line or smth?
[13:52] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: Find the line that says "blacklist bcm43xx" and put a # in front of it so it says #blacklist bcm43xx
[13:53] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: You know it doesn't matter what text editor you use ;)
[13:53] <blablabla> Using Chrome on my Xubuntu 13.4 I can not use youtube, can someone help me, off course Batman?
[13:53] <mernilio> Luyin Agreed! I have never tried ubuntu myself, but like you say, beginners need a Linux OS, that "just works" from the first boot.
[13:53] <Wiz_KeeD> I do, it's commented cutie
[13:53] <sakshi> Hi all :) I'm faceing problems in installing Turbo C++ on ubuntu 12.04.
[13:53] <sakshi> *facing
[13:53] <Luyin> mernilio: what distro are you using?
[13:53] <cutie> OK Wiz_KeeD now reboot and say a prayer to the wifi driver gods
[13:54] <Wiz_KeeD> why is this the output of the same command as before? #blacklist bcm43xx
[13:54] <Wiz_KeeD> blacklist bcm43xx
[13:54] <Wiz_KeeD> why the one without the hash?
[13:54] <mernilio> Luyin, i have used Slackware since 1994, but im prolly banned from their irc channel for life... ;-)
[13:54] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: Open that file again and double-double check there's a # in front of the correct line
[13:54] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: You don't want to blacklist something impoortant
[13:55] <Wiz_KeeD> I did that, it is
[13:55] <Wiz_KeeD> I don't know why the output of that command shows the hashed one and unhashed one
[13:55] <Luyin> mernilio: nice, I've got VectorLinux on my second notebook, which is slackware-based. Like it a lot, very stable and despite being more advanced than ubuntu or mint easily managable :)
[13:55] <freddo> !list
[13:55] <Kartagis> how do I change the language? it turned to Japanese and I can't read it
[13:56] <Wiz_KeeD> ok it's surely commented
[13:56] <Wiz_KeeD> reboot and that's it cutie?
[13:56] <mernilio> Luyin: Vectorlinux seems nice! I actually burned a copy, but i cant remember if i installed it.
[13:57] <defaultro> hi folks, to install apache, command is apt-get install https right?
[13:57] <defaultro> httpd
[13:57] <Luyin> mernilio: perhaps to discuss that further we should query not to flood the channel with OT-stuff
[13:57] <mrrcp> ubuntu is the shiznet!
[13:57] <Base-Dev> defaultro, yes
[13:57] <defaultro> thanks
[13:57] <mernilio> Luyin: no problem!
[13:57] <Base-Dev> defaultro, sudp apt-get install apache2
[13:58] <Base-Dev> defaultro, *sudo
[13:58] <defaultro> how does it differ from https?
[13:58] <defaultro> my god, this irc client keeps correcting my spelling
[13:58] <defaultro> it's Colloquy client
[13:58] <defaultro> how is Apache2 different from httpd? Or do they install the same stuff?
[13:58] <Base-Dev> !offtopic | defaultro
[13:59] <defaultro> Base-Dev: you suggested Apache2 and now you're saying i'm off topic
[13:59] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie, now it shows on the top right Enable Wireless but it does not detect any network
[13:59] <Base-Dev> defaultro, u just asked
[13:59] <Wiz_KeeD> Same as I did before when I managed to hack it into working or something
[13:59] <defaultro> I asked because of both apt-get parameters were different
[14:00] <defaultro> I'm assuming that httpd will install Apache 1.x while Apache2 is the latest one
[14:01] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie?
[14:01] <Base-Dev> defaultro, please ask in #httpd
[14:02] <compdoc> I told you never to call me that in here
[14:03] <daftykins> compdoc: what's wrong cutie?
[14:03] <daftykins> :>
[14:03] <Base-Dev> defaultro, Ok, so u want so install httpd ok, then do that, sorry for that.
[14:03] <compdoc> heh
[14:03] <defaultro> yup but just wanted to know if apt-get install httpd will install 1.x or the latest
[14:04] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I have a break - where are you up to ? are you managing ?
[14:04] <Wiz_KeeD> Can someone please tell me how to see my wireless networks?
[14:04] <Slagwag> lets say i want to dual boot. i always run into problems modifying the boot config so that when I restart my computer that it boots into linux by default but i want to boot into windows primary on one computer. are other boot loaders recommended?
[14:04] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, cutie was nice enough to provide support into installing the wireless drivers
[14:04] <Wiz_KeeD> It's detected but the networks are not showing up at all
[14:04] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: not displaying broadcast networks has been a broadcom glitch before
[14:05] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: can you enter the details manually and connect ?
[14:05] <Wiz_KeeD> if you would be kind enough to tell me how
[14:05] <rypervenche> defaultro: httpd and apache2 are teh same thing, just different names depending on which distro you use.
[14:05] <nightdrever> i think i have too many start up items ?? can someine check i dont know which ones i can disable??
[14:05] <defaultro> got  it. Thanks rypervenche
[14:05] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: isn't there an option to define networks ?
[14:05] <nightdrever> http://imageshack.us/f/708/wyf5.png/
[14:05] <nightdrever> http://imageshack.us/f/12/mxlw.png/
[14:06] <Base-Dev> defaultro, httpd will install differant packages
[14:06] <defaultro> oh
[14:06] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, Create new wireless network?
[14:06] <Base-Dev> !find httpd | defaultro
[14:07] <defaultro> cool
[14:07] <Wiz_KeeD> at least the steps to install the software were ok ikonia ?
[14:07] <defaultro> !find apache2
[14:07] <Base-Dev> defaultro, I never tried installing httpd though, its always apache2
[14:07] <defaultro> k
[14:08] <cutie> Sorry Wiz_KeeD this isn't my main IRC client/account and I don't have a hilight log; I've been afk for 15 minutes. Did it work after reboot?
[14:08] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that's the idea, create a wirless network
[14:08] <Wiz_KeeD> thank you for your support so far cutie!
[14:08] <Wiz_KeeD> I've managed to connect to the wireless network manually
[14:08] <jhutchins> The httpd virtual package is essentially a marker that other packages looking for any webeserver can look for.  All of the packaged web servers will mark it as installed.
[14:08] <Wiz_KeeD> And now it shows all the others...
[14:08] <Wiz_KeeD> :\
[14:09] <Wiz_KeeD> Wierd?
[14:09] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: ok, so it appears it's just the old broadcast bug
[14:09] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: ha yeah that
[14:09] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that's an old bug that I thought had gone away
[14:09] <Wiz_KeeD> broadcom never fails to impress aparently
[14:09] <cutie> It's like being back on 6.06 ;)
[14:09] <Wiz_KeeD> Now what will happen?
[14:09] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that's it - you're up and working
[14:09] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: Honestly, if it's currently working, I would leave it well alone
[14:09] <Wiz_KeeD> What happens when I shut down my laptop and go home, i have to manually connect every time?
[14:09] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: reboot, see if it re-connects, see if it shows broadcast network, but you are "working" as far as I can see
[14:10] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: no, it should remember and auto reconnect
[14:10] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: try it
[14:10] <Wiz_KeeD> remember this network to auto-connect, what about at home?
[14:10] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: No, it will save your manual connection, assuming you set it up in network manager
[14:10] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: do you have a different SID / network at home
[14:10] <Wiz_KeeD> yep
[14:10] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: There's nothing different about a manually defined wireless network to one it detected
[14:10] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: then it will either show it broadcasting, or you'll manually have to enter the details
[14:10] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: Either it'll detect your network and let you connect to it, or you'll have to set your home one up manually once
[14:11] <Wiz_KeeD> it's rather uncomfortable but no biggie if it works
[14:11] <ikonia> it's 10 seconds work - once
[14:11] <Wiz_KeeD> I remember my brother setting up my wireless drivers last time and it connected and saw connections everytime
[14:11] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: broadcom is a moving target sadly
[14:11] <Wiz_KeeD> What if I go to airports and such and need to search for wireless netoworks, see what's available and connect to them?
[14:12] <Base-Dev> is intel graphics dropping mir support?
[14:12] <Wiz_KeeD> and i don't have my phone to tell me the encription and names
[14:12] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you may have to see if iwcan can pick them up to give it a kick start, but hopefully it should now work
[14:12] <ikonia> Base-Dev: yes
[14:12] <ikonia> iwscan sorry
[14:12] <Wiz_KeeD> rebooting, brb
[14:12] <Base-Dev> ikonia, so we have to use xorg?
[14:12] <ikonia> Base-Dev: see what happens....
[14:12] <Base-Dev> ikonia, ok
[14:13] <PeerLesS> hello!
[14:13] <sabret00the> My dash (full screen glass thing) shows the same old applications, is there any way to switch it so it shows frequently used applications or applications that I pin there?
[14:15] <trijntje> sabret00the: which version of ubuntu are you using? It should show most recently used
[14:16] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, cutie. It does not detect networks and it's empty once more
[14:16] <Wiz_KeeD> I had to use cable to connect
[14:16] <willi_> sll
[14:16] <willi_>  
[14:16] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: does it not auto connect to your manually configured network ?
[14:16] <Wiz_KeeD> no ikonia , and doesn't show the other networks either
[14:17] <sabret00the> trijntje: 13.10, it's had the same apps since installation (13.04). Libre Writer, Text Editor, Ubuntu One, Firefox, Help, etc
[14:17] <Wiz_KeeD> I just see the empty wireless simbol on top and see Wireless Enabled, nothing else
[14:17] <trijntje> sabret00the: you mean the side bar?
[14:17] <Wiz_KeeD> talk about rotten luck...
[14:18] <Wiz_KeeD> now what...
[14:18] <sabret00the> trijntje: nope, I mean the full screen thing after you click the home/ubuntu button
[14:19] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: out of interest, configure it again, does it work and do the other networks become visible again
[14:19] <trijntje> sabret00the: no, you can only pin programs to the side bar, and use the keyboard/mouse to navigate the full screen Dash
[14:19] <Base-Dev> Wiz_KeeD, do you have the drivers?
[14:20] <Wiz_KeeD> Base-Dev, ikonia and cutie helped me get them
[14:20] <Base-Dev> Wiz_KeeD, ok
[14:20] <Pessimist> How is the package called that installs firefox plugin that enables unity webapps that allows me to integrate various websites with unity?
[14:20] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, there might be a slight miscommunication here: Initially I went to networking->wireless->connect to network and typed the wi-fi here with encryption password etc
[14:20] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: so not the icon in the top right ?
[14:21] <Wiz_KeeD> Now I click on top right and created a new wireless network that I connected to but the others do not show up
[14:21] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I'm going to have a quick scan on the boardcom docs and see if there is any info on this bug re-appearing
[14:21] <sabret00the> trijntje: If I need to go into the full screen dash and search for the same applications over and over, then surely it's not actually helping me. It's hindering me. Especially given that I'll never need nor use six of the default applications there with any regularity. That's shockingly bad.
[14:22] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, this is what I should have done in the first place? create a new on on the top right and connect to it? (although this is an abstract notion to me how you can create your own wireless network and connect to it)
[14:22] <trijntje> sabret00the: you can pin the programs you need on the side bar
[14:22] <trijntje> sabret00the: are you sure you are using version 13.10, that has not been released yet and is not stable
[14:23] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: doesn't matter to be honest,
[14:23] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: but it's interesting to see the different behaviour
[14:23] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, now i have disconnected from my created wireless network and all the others showed up including my created one...
[14:23] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: reboot - see if they are still present/your saved one is present
[14:23] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: Honestly, quit while you're ahead
[14:23] <Wiz_KeeD> what does that mean cutie ?
[14:24] <sabret00the> trinjntje: I have applications pinned to the side bar, however there are applications I don't require pinned there but use regularly. I'd like access to them more so than Libre Writer which I've yet to open on this machine. And yes, I done update-manager -d
[14:24] <Wiz_KeeD> okay ikonia
[14:25] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: It means, if it works, leave it
[14:25] <trijntje> sabret00the: I'm using 13.04 and the Dash shows most recently used applications. If you want, you can open the menu using Super/Windows + A, that should show more applications
[14:26] <trijntje> otherwise, check if zeitgeist is enabled, that is the service that should keep track of recently used files an programs. Go to system settings -> privacy
[14:27] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, exact same behaviour.I'd like to add just before it logs in I see on the right the wireless tab saying Diconnected from network
[14:27] <sabret00the> trijntje: Thanks, that's turned off and must be the cause of my issues. I'll turn it on and hopefully I can get the right programs to bubble up.
[14:27] <Wiz_KeeD> But still no wireless networks to be seen
[14:28] <trijntje> sabret00the: did you disable it or was it off by default? If it was by default, you should file a bug
[14:28] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what is dissapointing
[14:29] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, sorry?
[14:29] <sabret00the> trijntje: It seems like something I would've done in an overzealous bid to disable the Amazon stuff back when I first reinstalled Ubuntu.
[14:29] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that it's not holding your connection or listing available networks
[14:29] <Wiz_KeeD> I hear that
[14:29] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: the bugs show this was only really a big issue with the old fw-cutter stuff
[14:29] <Wiz_KeeD> I wouldn't know what to say or add at this point...
[14:30] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: a little research is needed a I feel, I'm having a look around now, it's a little tricky with broadcom though for obvious reasons
[14:30] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you have a working solution - although not idea, hang with it for the moment
[14:30] <Wiz_KeeD> this is preffered over 3rd party solutions or opensource drivers ikonia ?
[14:31] <Wiz_KeeD> If I go to additional drivers the one that Ubuntu suggests is still not activated, what is that any way?
[14:31] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it depends on a.) the results of those solutions b.) what those solutions do
[14:31] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: they are not active as you've disabled them
[14:31] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: they are basically the popritary modules
[14:31] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: You rememebr the first package I asked you to install, and it gave errors so I asked you to install a different one?
[14:31] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: It was trying to install the first one, but failing on that error.
[14:32] <ikonia> cutie: which driver do you actually use in the end with Wiz_KeeD ?
[14:32] <ikonia> I missed part of the conversation
[14:32] <JuJuBee> I have a server that I use webmin on to do remote management.  For some reason the users and groups module does not contain any users that have ID above 1000.  Any ideas?  I tried #webmin, but no response in several hours.  Pretty dead channel
[14:32] <ikonia> JuJuBee: webmin is dead / unsupported on ubuntu
[14:33] <sabret00the> thanks again trijntje.
[14:33] <genii> JuJuBee: Webmin was removed from Ubuntu
[14:33] <Wiz_KeeD> I can give you the history or my bash ikonia
[14:33] <JuJuBee> Why removed?
[14:33] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: its fine cutir can respond
[14:33] <DJones> !webmin | JuJuBee
[14:33] <trijntje> sabret00the: you're welcome
[14:33] <ikonia> JuJuBee: bad tool, security holes, parts not compatible
[14:34] <JuJuBee> Oh...
[14:34] <genii> JuJuBee: The preferred interface is ebox/zentyal
[14:34] <JuJuBee> Too bad, I like it
[14:34] <ellipsis753> Hello. I've got an Ubuntu server on a cloud VPS. I'm charged for all bandwidth I use above a certain threshold. Can I have my website shutdown and warn me if the bandwidth usage gets too high?
[14:34] <JuJuBee> I will look into those genii, thanks
[14:34] <Johnny_Linux> i gotta hand it ti ikonia , he sure is on top of what software does what.
[14:34] <cutie> ikonia: installing firmware-b43-installer failed with an error including the line: Use b43 LP-PHY firmware (firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package) instead. So we did that :)
[14:35] <ikonia> cutie: thats interesting so that package actually failed, pointing you at a different package
[14:35] <ikonia> cutie: that's something I feel needs a little bit of research as that sounds a bit odd/sloppy
[14:36] <trijntje> ellipsis753: You'll probably have to write a script to do that yourself
[14:36] <cutie> ikonia: The real problem is that Jockey isn't correctly detecting his card, or its suggesting the wrong module
[14:37] <ikonia> cutie: yes, the detection is probably failing, I see what you're saying
[14:37] <JuJuBee> genii is one better than the other?
[14:37] <Wiz_KeeD> i've seen some jockey-kde errors in the log
[14:37] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie, I can try to install that again and paste the logs?
[14:37] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: kde ?
[14:37] <ellipsis753> trijntje, Ok. Thank you. It's not a common request then? How could I find out how much bandwidth has been used already?
[14:37] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I thought this was ubuntu
[14:37] <Wiz_KeeD> maybe i'm wrong sorry
[14:37] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: is it ubuntu or kubuntu
[14:38] <Wiz_KeeD> ubuntu, sorry
[14:38] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: is there kde errors or not ?
[14:38] <Wiz_KeeD> http://pastie.org/8322960
[14:38] <Wiz_KeeD> it's from /var/log/jockey.log
[14:38] <Wiz_KeeD> with cat
[14:38] <jhutchins> ellipsis753: Your provider should have a monitoring utility that tells you how much bandwidth you've used.
[14:38] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: don't see anything about kde
[14:39] <genii> JuJuBee: Zentyal is just the commercial version of ebox
[14:39] <Wiz_KeeD> it was my mistake, bad memory
[14:39] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: no problem, remeber though, try to only say "fact" - not memory/guessing
[14:39] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it adds confusion and can lead to the wrong info
[14:40] <Wiz_KeeD> agreed, sorry
[14:40] <Wiz_KeeD> now what :(
[14:40] <Wiz_KeeD> Shall we try to install the proprietary drivers?
[14:40] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: research before rushing in
[14:40] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I'm having a prod - you've got a solution that allows you to work and buy time
[14:40] <trijntje> ellipsis753: I used to have  a script to do that, but I can find it
[14:40] <Wiz_KeeD> Those were suggested from the get-go no?
[14:41] <Wiz_KeeD> prod?
[14:41] <cutie> poke, stab, the ol' college try
[14:41] <Wiz_KeeD> :))
[14:42] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie, wouldn't trying to install the proprietary drivers and checking the logs + fixing be a good solution?
[14:42] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: yes, from my view they have worked better in some instances, but it varies from case to case.
[14:42] <Marlenee> how i search using "grep" to grep word from large files and sub folder like i search in all  "/" path  ?
[14:42] <Wiz_KeeD> we can always revert to this one if it's worse ikonia ?
[14:43] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: well, yes, but it requirs some planning
[14:43] <Wiz_KeeD> pfuu
[14:43] <ikonia> ?
[14:43] <cutie> Marlenee: find /path/ -type f | xargs grep "foo"
[14:43] <cutie> Marlenee: I use a similar pattern to that multiple times a day
[14:44] <Wiz_KeeD> You think we can do it ikonia ?
[14:44] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: sure it can be done, but remember the "not rushing in" part
[14:45] <Wiz_KeeD> btw ikonia your hunch was right, now opening/closing the network does not error anymore they were most likely connected
[14:45] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: as I said, you have a working solution at the moment which buys you some time while a little research is done
[14:45] <JuJuBee> genii also seems zentyal won't work with 13.04...
[14:45] <Wiz_KeeD> that is true yes, at least i'm not handcuffed
[14:45] <Wiz_KeeD> But the time I have i need to spend working which means I need to install software like bzr, python libraries, skype, dropbox
[14:46] <Wiz_KeeD> all of which come from standard repositories (except skype)
[14:47] <Wiz_KeeD> You say that I should not install applications even from the standard repositories until this is fully fixed ikonia ?
[14:48] <IamTrying> Which WebCam do you use for 13.04/ 13.10 64-bit? Where i need 24/7 camera capture. I used one which is crashing Ubuntu 7/7
[14:48] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: depends what you want to put on - I'd say as minimum as possible
[14:48] <IamTrying> Which one is reliable and stable for Ubuntu USB cameras? is there any recommend hardware list?
[14:49] <Wiz_KeeD> i'm making a list now ikonia : sudo apt-get install bzr poedit vim
[14:49] <Wiz_KeeD> so far
[14:49] <cutie> IamTrying: I've had sucess with Logitech cameras out-of-the-box on Ubuntu since around 2008 :)
[14:49] <JuJuBee> apt-get install ebox returns no candidate but zentyal-core replaced it.   However, docs online suggest that it only works with 12.04?
[14:50] <Wiz_KeeD> also need these http://pastie.org/8322992 :)
[14:50] <cutie> JuJuBee: What Ubuntu version are you using?
[14:50] <ellipsis753> trijntje, Thank you. It's fine, I can make a script. It seems that digitalocean doesn't let me find out how much bandwidth is used yet but apparently a program called vnstat can do that instead. Thank you for your help. :)
[14:50] <JuJuBee> cutie: 13.04
[14:50] <cutie> !info ebox raring
[14:51] <genii> !info zentyal raring
[14:51] <cutie> !info zentyal-core raring
[14:51] <cutie> JuJuBee: What error do you get when trying to install zentyal-core ?
[14:51] <mattkruse> !info grep
[14:51] <mattkruse> !info ack-grep
[14:51] <JuJuBee> cutie: I didn't try.  A forum post suggested it doesn't work
[14:52] <JuJuBee> I will try
[14:52] <cutie> JuJuBee: if it doesn't work, we can try to sort it out
[14:52] <JuJuBee> man tons of depends...
[14:52] <cutie> JuJuBee: They're all tiny perl libraries I'd imagine
[14:53] <JuJuBee> yes
[14:53] <Monday> anyone else have problems installing the adobe flash plugin?
[14:53] <cutie> !anyone
[14:53] <cutie> Monday: Are you getting any errors? What Ubuntu version are you using? What method did you use to try to install it?
[14:54] <Monday> hi cutie so how cute are you? pix :P
[14:54] <JuJuBee> cutie: installer wants https port.  If I already have https site should I choose another port or is it ok to use 443 for zentyal also?
[14:54] <cutie> JuJuBee: You must choose another port, they can't both use 433
[14:55] <cutie> JuJuBee: I'd recommend you change zentyal's port rather than http, since web browsers expect https on port 443
[14:55] <JuJuBee> does port # matter?
[14:55] <Monday> cutie yeah basically it says it can't connect to the adobe server, i tried the flashplugin-installer with synaptic and termamina both can't connect, i'm using 12.04
[14:55] <cutie> JuJuBee: No, as long as its not being used. Use something high, like 10000 or 8080 or 4040
[14:56] <cutie> I'm all about 4040 for web interfaces
[14:56] <JuJuBee> I run a streaming music server on 4040
[14:56] <JuJuBee> Ill use 4043
[14:56] <cutie> JuJuBee: Subsonic :D
[14:56] <JuJuBee> Kind of like 443 so should be easy to remember... Yes
[14:56] <Monday> JuJuBee what kind of music are you hosting?
[14:56] <cutie> Monday: Can you please put the full output of running the command "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[14:56] <cutie> Monday: obn http://paste.ubuntu.com
[14:57] <JuJuBee> I have everything from classical to hard rock/ hip-hp / country etc...
[14:57] <saho> S
[14:58] <Monday> cutie you mean installer not nonfree
[14:58] <cutie> Monday: Is that so.
[14:58] <Monday> JuJuBee what is the ip to your server, i actually need flash so that i can listen to radio from TuneIn
[14:58] <cutie> Wait Monday I think you're actually right, it has legtimately been years since I've used Ubuntu
[14:58] <JuJuBee> cutie: http://pastebin.com/Z3JgEDNQ
[14:59] <JuJuBee> Monday: I have a fairly slow connection, so I don't share my music... sorry.
[14:59] <cutie> JuJuBee: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:59] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> cutie, what did you mean when you said I should quit while i'm ahead?:))
[14:59] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: it's working - take that as enough
[15:00] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> ah that's what he meant
[15:00] <ulrich_> hello i have a problem with installing wine on ubuntu 12.10 can someone out there help me
[15:00] <cutie> Wiz_KeeD: It means, if it works, leave it
[15:00] <cutie> ulrich_: What problem is that?
[15:01] <Wiz_KeeD-Android> I think it's even enough to make it try to connect ti any random.wireless network and it.might broadcast then
[15:01] <ulrich_> i downloaded a version of it there are somme files to be move but i moved it with no success
[15:02] <cutie> ulrich_: Use the Ubuntu Software Centre to search for Wine. Select the package and install it
[15:03] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD-Android: just give a little time for me to dig out some research on it
[15:03] <JuJuBee> cutie:  what is the Test Suite Blacklist ?
[15:03] <JuJuBee> Something about configuring checkbox?
[15:03] <ikonia> test suite blacklist ?
[15:03] <cutie> JuJuBee: I have no idea, what context are you seeing it?
[15:03] <cutie> JuJuBee: I can't help you with configuiring your app...
[15:03] <JuJuBee> During the dpkg-reconfigure -a it comes up
[15:04] <cutie> JuJuBee: It's just part of the setup wizard for that app
[15:04] <cutie> JuJuBee: I guess check the documentation for the app
[15:04] <cutie> JuJuBee: Or see if you can leave it blank
[15:04] <Wiz_KeeD> we won't attempt the installing of the proprietary now ikonia ?
[15:05] <JuJuBee> cutie: seems it is part of ubuntu?  I never installed it specificaly
[15:05] <cutie> JuJuBee: No, the zentyal setup wizard is asking you a question.
[15:06] <cutie> JuJuBee: I don't know what "test suite blacklist" is in this context, you'd have to ask the zentyal people
  the  README  file actually gave me the directories to follow,the reply from the system was "mv" can not perform the required action
[15:07] <JuJuBee> cutie, no, it was part of the dpkg-reconfigure... some packages must have not gotten configured
[15:08] <cutie> ulrich_: Please stop what you're doing, and install Wine in the supported method, using the Software Centre or with the command "sudo apt-get install wine"
[15:08] <JuJuBee> cutie: ok reconfigur done
[15:08] <cutie> JuJuBee: OK now it's installed :)
[15:08] <JuJuBee> cutie: seems to be, how to I access it?
[15:09] <ulrich_> curti : thank you
[15:09] <cutie> JuJuBee: well I don't know... I've never used it :)
[15:12] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie, since I won't be doing much today and i have a decent working solution, would you give me the courtesy of explaining step by step what we did from ubungu language to english? :D
[15:14] <maul> hi, iv used "update-rc.d ssh defaults" in attempt to get ssh-server to start on boot. i see it both init.d/ and /etc/defaults, but the service does not start automatically. i have used /etc/network/interfaces to successfully start dhcp wireless connection on startup. any pointers?
[15:15] <cutie> maul: What Ubuntu version?
[15:15] <maul> 12.04
[15:15] <cutie> maul: Did you install it with something like apt-get install openssh-server? Because that package always starts ssh by default.
[15:16] <Wiz_KeeD> still there cutie ?
[15:16] <maul> cutie: i did install it that way.
[15:16] <cutie> maul: What makes you think it isn't starting at boot?
[15:16] <cutie> maul: Is it just that you can't connect to it?
[15:17] <maul> cutie: i cant ssh in and service ssh status shows fail
[15:17] <maul> and once i run service ssh start i can ssh in
[15:17] <cutie> OK that's pretty conclusive
[15:18] <cutie> maul: did you do sudo update-rc.d ssh defaults
[15:18] <maul> yes, but as root so no sudo
[15:18] <Wiz_KeeD> oh I got to get my ssh key sas well, forgot
[15:18] <maul> but i dont have any parameters set in the file
[15:18] <JuJuBee> cutie: doesn't look like port 4043 is open
[15:18] <maul> the only thing in there is OPTS= [blank]
[15:18] <cutie> JuJuBee: Is the application running? is it configured to listen on that port?
[15:19] <cutie> maul: I'd just do    sudo apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server
[15:19] <JuJuBee> cutie: I configured it on port 4043, but a restart still not showing it
[15:19] <maul> cutie: okay .. trying now
[15:19] <cutie> JuJuBee: Is the application actually running? I don't know what it does so I can't really help you with the specifics of how to configure it
[15:21] <JuJuBee> I tried service zentyal start wtih sudo
[15:21] <JuJuBee> cutie but a ps aux | grep zentyal or ebox returns nothing
[15:22] <cutie> JuJuBee: sudo service zentyal status
[15:22] <Wiz_KeeD> cutie, is everything ok?
[15:22] <JuJuBee> cutie: not a valid command
[15:22] <msata> hello all
[15:23] <Wiz_KeeD> Why do I have the suspicion that cutie ignored me :)
[15:24] <jgk> hi all
[15:24] <msata> I have an SD card that is at '/dev/mmcblk0' i am trying to write an image using DD command to it but out of space, even thou the card has more space availabe? Any ideas?
[15:24] <Pessimist> why some programs have different scroll bars that look like windows 98 ones? For example, skype? And how do you fix this?
[15:25] <maul> cutie: when i do the update default command i get 3 lines of output along the lines of "insserv: warning current stop runlevels of script ssh ovverides LSB defaults" ... is that cool?
[15:25] <maul> *normal
[15:25] <cutie> Pessimist: That depends on the graphical toolkit that was used to develop the application. You can't "fix" it
[15:25] <maul> not cool cuz the shits not working. but
[15:25] <cutie> maul: You don't have to do the update default, if you do "sudo apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server" it will start at boot
[15:26] <msata> I have an SD card that is at '/dev/mmcblk0' i am trying to write an image using DD command to it but out of space, even thou the card has more space availabe? Any ideas?
[15:26] <maul> right and i think that reinstall does the update command because i see the same output
[15:27] <lotia> hi all. when attempting to 'sudo gem install bundler', I get an error. Posted at https://gist.github.com/lotia/6552188
[15:27] <lotia> apologies if this has been asked to death now
[15:28] <cutie> lotia: Is your system behind a proxy server?
[15:29] <lotia> cutie no it isn't. it's an instance at AWS within a VPC but has direct connection to net.
[15:29] <cutie> I see AWS... the problem is the firewall ("securitu group"_
[15:30] <cutie> lotia: Can you just also check you have libssl-dev installed - "sudo apt-get install libssl-dev"
[15:30] <defaultro> hi folks, which should I pick here? I'll be installing it on Vmware Fusion on my mac os machine - http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[15:31] <cutie> defaultro: How much RAM are you going to give to the VM?
[15:31] <cutie> defaultro: Ehh actually. Install the 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD
[15:31] <defaultro> it's only going to be for testing
[15:31] <lotia> cutie: already installed
[15:31] <defaultro> it will only be used by me
[15:31] <cutie> defaultro: Either Desktop CD will be fine in that case
[15:31] <defaultro> cool
[15:31] <defaultro> thanks :)
[15:31] <lotia> also I can access other external locations without issue
[15:31] <msata> I have an SD card that is at '/dev/mmcblk0' i am trying to write an image using DD command to it but out of space, even thou the card has more space availabe? Any ideas?
[15:32] <defaultro> cutie: should I choose PC or 64-bit PC
[15:32] <cutie> defaultro: It doesn't matter, unless you're only running 32 bit Mac OSX (in that case you would have to choose the 32 bit version)
[15:32] <defaultro> got it
[15:32] <defaultro> let me verify my mac
[15:33] <defaultro> I'll download 64 bit then
[15:34] <ch01a> will ubuntu 13.10 have a 3.10 kernel?
[15:34] <Increase> Hello errbody
[15:34] <ch01a> also, is there a planned support for this kernel?
[15:34] <cutie> ch01a: it'll be 3.11
[15:34] <Ari-Yang> ch01a, no I think it will have 3.11....
[15:34] <defaultro> maybe I can choose Server install since I am mimicking Amazon's Ubuntu images
[15:34] <ch01a> cutie, Ari-Yang: Thankyou!
[15:34] <cutie> defaultro: if you use the server, be aware you won't have any kind of graphical interface
[15:34] <defaultro> yup
[15:35] <Increase> What's the best way to get a persistent file for live USB. I'm trying to use the pen drive linux one, but it doesn't work even though I set the meter over to full.
[15:35] <cutie> defaultro: However, yes, that'll be very very similar to what EC2 uses
[15:35] <Ari-Yang> ch01a, yw... if you want you could install kernel 3.11 yourself
[15:35] <defaultro> awesome! )
[15:35] <defaultro> :)
[15:35] <Ari-Yang> ch01a, you can install it from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11-saucy/
[15:36] <ch01a> Ari-Yang: I thought since 3.10 supposed to be long term supported then ubuntu might also support it
[15:36] <hs366>  can i ask a very basic Q plz ?
[15:36] <Ari-Yang> !ask | hs366
[15:36] <cutie> You may ask another question, hs366
[15:37] <hs366> ok :D
[15:37] <msata> I have an SD card that is at '/dev/mmcblk0' i am trying to write an image using DD command to it but out of space, even thou the card has more space availabe? Any ideas?
[15:38] <subcool> how to you mount a filestystem?
[15:38] <cutie> msata: Can you just show us the exact command you use?
[15:38] <hs366> how can i get ls from other drives in command line /dev/sda* ??
[15:38] <subcool> im on a liveusb, and need to mount the local filesystem to fix it
[15:38] <cutie> subcool: mount /path/to/device /path/to/mountpoint
[15:38] <subcool> thanks
[15:38] <hs366> i can only know the fdisk -l show the dev information
[15:38] <subcool> i thought it was more complicated
[15:38] <cutie> hs366: You need to mount the filesystem on the partition, to a mountpoint. Then you browse the mount point
[15:39] <hs366> ok
[15:39] <cutie> hs366: find the device name with fdisk -l, (say it's /dev/sda2) then go "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt" and it will be mounted under /mnt
[15:39] <Brombomb> I've created some Custome Application Launchers in gnome, and I'm trying to find them from the command line.  Any idea where they are stored?
[15:39] <subcool> ok.. yeah cutie- no.. i needa step furhter
[15:39] <cutie> subcool: Step back then, what are you trying to fix?
[15:39] <hs366> ok
[15:39] <hs366> thx
[15:40] <subcool> i have to reinstall my graphics..
[15:40] <msata> cutie: sudo dd if NEWSD.img of=/dev/mmclbk0      --- it returns dd: writing to '/dev/mmclbk0': no space left on device
[15:40] <msata> any ideas?
[15:40] <cutie> subcool: I think if you try to do that from the LiveCD you will have a bad time
[15:40] <subcool> i had installed the ATI version, which messed me up bad. so - i removed them, now i hve to install the ubuntu version
[15:41] <subcool> cutie: nah- ill be fine
[15:41] <subcool> i just have to log in as the local user
[15:41] <Increase> What's the best way to get a persistent file for live USB. I'm trying to use the pen drive linux one, but it doesn't work even though I set the meter over to full.
[15:41] <subcool> i know what i have to do- just not how to get to it
[15:41] <subcool> I need to mount/login as the local user on its partition..
[15:41] <cutie> subcool: It's not as simple to do that from a LiveCD as you'd like
[15:41] <cutie> subcool: The best would be to select Recovery Mode from the boot menu
[15:42] <Pessimist> msata, there has to be = after if. And I'm guessing that you don't need that 0 at /dev/mmclbk0
[15:42] <Pessimist> msata, post results of lsblk
[15:42] <cutie> subcool: Anyway the command you want if you want to use the liveCD is "man chroot"
[15:42] <subcool> man.. lol-
[15:42] <subcool> i;ve used recovery - its refusing to setup my network
[15:42] <cutie> subcool: Do you use a wireless network?
[15:43] <subcool> no
[15:43] <cutie> subcool: I think you have to specifically choose the option to "drop to a root prompt with networking"
[15:44] <subcool> cutie: close, but no- there is two options, root shell, and moutn networking. the network setup isnt working
[15:44] <subcool> i hateman pages
[15:45] <subcool> how do i do this?
[15:45] <subcool> sudo chroot /media/Mediaserver
[15:47] <MraMaria> Hi. I get this invalid rule at boot from /etc/udev/rules.d, corresponding to a digital voice recorder not installed properly and so i decided not to use it on this system. Can I just remove that rule file? ('41-ovdr.rules:1') Or its contents?...
[15:48] <raving> Hello everybody. I'm using the fglrx package for my FirePro W7000, and was wondering if anybody else has noticed that the driver magically stopped supporting it after 9.010?
[15:48] <msata> cutie: sudo dd if=NEWSD.img of=/dev/mmclbk0      --- it returns dd: writing to '/dev/mmclbk0': no space left on device
[15:48] <raving> Using fglrx-updates doesn't seem to fix this, either
[15:48] <msata> any ideas?
[15:49] <raving> MraMaria: I don't see why not. If you're paranoid about it you could move it to /root first
[15:49] <Pessimist> msata, remove that 0, run this: sudo dd if=NEWSD.img of=/dev/mmclbk
[15:50] <MraMaria> raving: I'm trying to tweak bootup errors/warnings/(etc..)... The contents of the file are: SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", SYSFS{idVendor}=="07b4", SYSFS{idProduct}=="020d", ACTION=="add", GROUP="audio", MODE="0664"
[15:50] <msata> pessimist: i tried that it didn't work
[15:50] <Increase> What's the best way to get a persistent file for live USB. I'm trying to use the pen drive linux one, but it doesn't work even though I set the meter over to full.
[15:51] <raving> MraMaria: I haven't done stuff with udev in a while, but if you're not using it, all it would do is remove the rule which you're not using anyway
[15:51] <raving> And presumably is not being added to udev
[15:52] <Pessimist> msata, Are you sure write protection isn't on? Try unmounting /dev/mmclbk0 and deleting all partitions and then try again.
[15:52] <Pessimist> msata, As I've said, lsblk output would be great
[15:52] <MraMaria> raving: raving. thanks a lot. so i do have to move it first to /root and then 'rm 41-ovdr.rules', isn't it?
[15:52] <defaultro> hi folks, I installed Server version. What is the root password?
[15:53] <raving> defaultro: IIRC the root password is either scrambled or the account is disabled
[15:53] <defaultro> ok, it didn't ask me to create an account
[15:53] <raving> defaultro: but anybody in the adm group should be able to sudo
[15:53] <Increase> defa
[15:53] <defaultro> yup Increase
[15:54] <Increase> defaultro: it's probably root
[15:54] <Increase> or admin
[15:54] <defaultro> ok, i'll try, i tried toor earlier
[15:54] <Increase> or 1234
[15:54] <defaultro> both failed
[15:54] <Increase> Idk then. www.google.cm
[15:55] <jhutchins> !root
[15:56] <raving> defaultro: if you don't have a restricted account on your new installation you can pop the CD back in and drop to shell
[15:56] <raving> mount, than chroot
[15:56] <raving> er,r then
[15:56] <defaultro> k
[15:56] <defaultro> i guess, I'll just delete it and reinstall. I won't choose Easy Install
[16:00] <Hubbadubba> Hubbadubba & Hello, does anyone know anything about iptables and C++, in Ubuntu 13.10?
[16:00] <unknown101> How can i fix a usb keyboard that doesn't support ubuntu??(drivers)
[16:01] <ikonia> unknown101: its rare that a keyboard won't work
[16:01] <ikonia> unknown101: is it a special keyboard ?
[16:02] <defaultro> so apt-get -y install apache2 will install apache without any prompts
[16:02] <unknown101> well at the begin it worked (i dual booted ubuntu with windows) after i single boot ubuntu and its not working
[16:02] <unknown101> i formatted my computer and single bootted ubuntu
[16:03] <ikonia> unknown101: the fact that it works suggests it's not a "driver" problem,
[16:03] <ikonia> unknown101: do things like caps lock light come on /off
[16:03] <unknown101> the keyboard is a professional keyboard gaming keyboard and it has the letter light
[16:04] <unknown101> (if you can type its on if not its off)
[16:04] <jihad> jihad
[16:04] <ikonia> unknown101: does it like up
[16:04] <unknown101> nope
[16:04] <ikonia> light even
[16:04] <ikonia> unknown101: it's usb right ?
[16:04] <unknown101> yes
[16:04] <ikonia> unknown101: ok, so it sounds like one of two things
[16:04] <unknown101> i am using the other keyboard right now with my other keyboard
[16:04] <ikonia> unknown101: 1.) the keyboard is broken 2.) the usb ports on your ubuntu machine are not working
[16:05] <ikonia> unknown101: can you prove/disprove either of those ?
[16:05] <jihad> haha:P
[16:05] <unknown101> the keyboard is almost brand new
[16:05] <ikonia> unknown101: brand new doesn't mean it's not broken
[16:05] <unknown101> and it stopped working after i single bootted ubuntu
[16:05] <unknown101> so its not working
[16:05] <ikonia> that could just be a co-incidence as it was working with ubuntu
[16:05] <ikonia> unknown101: can you try it in a different machine
[16:05] <unknown101> no :(
[16:05] <ikonia> unknown101: as it sounds like you are using a different keyboard with ubuntu now so that means the usb ports are working
[16:05] <unknown101> yes
[16:06] <unknown101> its plugged in the same port
[16:06] <unknown101> the other was
[16:06] <ikonia> unknown101: so it sounds like the keyboard may have had a failure
[16:06] <defaultro> which is preferred way of installing Apache, apt-get or tasked?
[16:06] <defaultro> taskel
[16:06] <ikonia> defaultro: doesn't matter
[16:06] <jhutchins> unknown101: Look for a "legacy USB or Legacy Keyboard" setting in your bios.
[16:06] <defaultro> what about if LAMP
[16:06] <unknown101> ok let me reboot
[16:06] <unknown101> BRB
[16:06] <ikonia> defaultro: what about it ?
[16:07] <defaultro> is taskel easier to use?
[16:07] <ikonia> defaultro: it's up to you, do you find it easier to use ?
[16:07] <defaultro> i need it to be fully automatated
[16:07] <ikonia> defaultro: it's just installing a few packages, it's the same thing
[16:07] <defaultro> i've only tried apt-get -y
[16:07] <ikonia> defaultro: it's which ever method YOU like and find easier
[16:07] <defaultro> ikonia: I'm writing a script that will install LAMP
[16:07] <ikonia> so ?
[16:08] <ikonia> that doesn't change anything
[16:08] <defaultro> ok
[16:08] <defaultro> so I guess, if apt-get, there will be more commands than taskel
[16:08] <jhutchins> defaultro: There is no "LAMP".
[16:08] <defaultro> i'm not sure if taskel is old. It's first time i heard it
[16:09] <jihad> anyone else sick of these apple adds? they still seem adamant on saying mac has no viruses....lol
[16:09] <defaultro> jhutchins: sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[16:09] <jhutchins> defaultro: Is that perl LAMP or PHP LAMP?
[16:09] <defaultro> but if apt-get, I'll have apt-get https, mysql-server, php, etc
[16:10] <ikonia> jihad: this isnothing to do with ubuntu, so please don't comment on it
[16:10] <tara_> hi there. I have a minor issue getting sound to work on 13.04 with this laptop.  SOlution would be to use the element "Exchange Front Surround" in alsamixer butt I cannot trigger an evnt with the element.. does anyone have an idea
[16:10] <defaultro> Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP
[16:10] <ikonia> jihad: the topic of this channel is ubuntu support discussion, please try to keep to that
[16:10] <jhutchins> defaultro: Perl is just as valid.
[16:10] <jihad> oops wrong channel..... soz
[16:10] <ikonia> jihad: no problem
[16:11] <adac> How can I test from command line if i can access a samba share?
[16:11] <ikonia> adac: mount it ?
[16:11] <ikonia> adac: or smbclient ?
[16:11] <defaultro> i apt-get tasksel, it told me it's already installed :) So it's part of Ubuntu?
[16:11] <genii> adac: smbclient, usually
[16:11] <GuidoPallemans> is anyone elses rhythmbox album artwork all shuffled up?
[16:12] <subcool>         if someone can help me with chroot, ill be around.. just pm me or something to grab my attention. ive followed a couple guides..and im getting no where. I need to mount a local system via chroot while on a LIVEUSB>
[16:12] <adac> ikonia, mounting I already tried. Doesn't work with the guest account it seems. So now I wanted to see if a guest can even see the samba share of if this has something to with mounting iteself
[16:12] <adac> genial, ikonia trying smbcleint
[16:12] <defaultro> i read yesterday that it is not possible to uninstall applications installed by tasksel. Is it true?
[16:13] <genii> adac: Might want to run testparm on the host machine to see if your config is OK
[16:14] <ikonia> defaultro: you can uninstall just fine, they are just packages
[16:14] <defaultro> ikonia: using tasksel to uninstall or using apt-get remove?
[16:15] <ikonia> defaultro: you'll need to use apt-get
[16:15] <defaultro> oh ok
[16:15] <defaultro> so how will i find out the applications that tasksel will install like when installing lamp-server? It's a combination of different apps
[16:15] <adac> genii, testparm seems to be fine: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6552748 I can also mount the share via the user. Only with the guest user it doesn't seem to be possible to mount it. But it should.
[16:16] <ajay__> how to filler/view install program through terminal ?
[16:16] <ajay__> for example i need to some networking programms
[16:17] <defaultro> am I right that apt-get is just an alias for aptitude?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> defaultro, no
[16:17] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, still there?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> !aptitude
[16:18] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: yes
[16:18] <BluesKaj> defaultro,^
[16:18] <defaultro> ok
[16:18] <defaultro> Thanks BluesKaj
[16:18] <ajay__> i need to find some networking program already installed on my system how could i ????????????
[16:18] <defaultro> I was researching how to remove lamp-server installed by tasksel
[16:18] <ikonia> ajay__: which program ?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> defaultro, all package managers use dpkg
[16:18] <Wiz_KeeD> I have arrived home, the wireless did not start and neither did going to networking and typing in the network manually worked, I had to create a new wireless conection, disconnect then go to networking and type. it's really strange
[16:19] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: it seems like the card is not initialising properly until you make a connection
[16:19] <defaultro> BluesKaj: so how do we figure out what packages are installed using this command? sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[16:19] <Wiz_KeeD> i also saw a usb error on boot ikonia :(
[16:20] <Wiz_KeeD> brb see if i can snapshot it
[16:20] <defaultro> is it possible to specify a date with dpkg --get-selections?
[16:20] <ajay__> ikonia : i dont know program but i wanna search program related to networking installed in my system.
[16:20] <ikonia> ajay__: it doens't work like that if you don't know the name of the program
[16:20] <defaultro> like dpkg --get-selections --only-show-installed-today
[16:20] <ikonia> ajay__: open software center and look in the networking groups
[16:20] <BluesKaj> defaultro, using that command will either ask to install the pkg or show it's already installed
[16:20] <Monday> hello, how do you add the ppa for the newest version of Firefox? thanks
[16:20] <ikonia> !ppa | Monday
[16:21] <ikonia> Monday: be aware though, people will probably ignore your support requests once you start using PPA's
[16:21] <defaultro> i know i really wouldn't uninstall it. It's just nice to learn what it installs especially I'm doing some testing since I'm mocking an EC2 and CLoudformation
[16:21] <ajay__> ikonia can this kinda filteration.can be used through terminal
[16:21] <ikonia> ajay__: I'm not sure if apt-cache works on groups
[16:22] <ikonia> ajay__: what functionality do you need ? what sort of program
[16:22] <Monday> ikonia do you know which is the ppa for the newest updated versions of Firefox?
[16:22] <ikonia> Monday: there are many PPA's
[16:22] <defaultro> is it possible to display installed packages reported by dpkg in date order?
[16:22] <ikonia> Monday: all with different quality/versions of software in there, I advise VERY strong caution when using
[16:23] <ajay__> ikonia : like editor group contains all editor nano , gedit etc
[16:23] <ikonia> ajay__: what software do you need, what do you need it to do
[16:23] <Monday> ikonia what is the repository address for ubuntu backports?
[16:24] <ikonia> Monday: it should be in your sources.list already ,just need to uncomment
[16:24] <wilee-nilee> Monday, You have the FF official release through the repos
[16:24] <Monday> yeah, but i want the newer version, to get new features and security updates and stuff
[16:24] <defaultro> I found another answer, sudo apt-get purge mysql-server apache2 php5
[16:24] <ikonia> Monday: what newer features do you need ?
[16:24] <defaultro> the other one I found uses apt-get remove
[16:24] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, the error did not display on boot once more but the problem persists
[16:24] <ikonia> Monday: blindly updatin for a bigger version number is a big risk
[16:25] <defaultro> so which is a better approach, remove or purge?
[16:25] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: I'm not surprised, I don't expect it to magically start working
[16:25] <ikonia> defaultro: I suggest reading up on apt-get and seeing what the differnet options do
[16:25] <defaultro> k
[16:25] <kubanc> hellow! which process is for keyboard? I would like to put it into caffeine so my computer wouldn't go into idle state
[16:25] <ajay__> i recently install a program for network bandwidth similar to htop .. i forgot the name of it but i thinks so if i can filter the installed program related to networking than i will got all program similar to this in one go .
[16:25] <wilee-nilee> Monday, The repos provide the latest, any others are test models not necessarily more dafe or stable.
[16:25] <wilee-nilee> safe*
[16:26] <orionn> hey all
[16:26] <Monday> does ubuntu check the security of Firefox or do they just check if it is stable with Ubuntu?
[16:26] <defaultro> ah, purge is really clean while remove leaves the configuration
[16:26] <ikonia> Monday: they respond to security alerts
[16:27] <ikonia> Monday: it sounds like you are not checking security, just looking at version numbers
[16:29] <defaultro> what is debconf
[16:29] <Sylenthemp> Question: on launchpad, i see packages with versions like 2:2.7.3, 1: ..., etc. What does the first digit (before the ":") represent?
[16:30] <wizardaeon> hey guys
[16:31] <Monday> ikonia, i'm going to just use the older version just for you :)
[16:31] <ikonia> Monday: I don't care - so don't do it for me
[16:31] <ikonia> Monday: however it doesn't sound like you are really checking for security bugs, just version numbers
[16:31] <ikonia> Monday: it's totally up to you what you use.
[16:32] <otak> ajay__: I think you mean iftop or nload.
[16:32] <defaultro> folks, tasksel install lamp-server prompted me to enter db root password. This will not work for our automation. How do i automate it?
[16:32] <Increase> What's the best way to get a persistent file for live USB. I'm trying to use the pen drive linux one, but it doesn't work even though I set the meter over to full.
[16:33] <BluesKaj> defaultro, dpkg --list | grep ^ii.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | sort | less
[16:33] <ikonia> defaultro: you need to create a reponse file
[16:34] <BluesKaj> oops guess you guys have moved on , :)
[16:35] <Riptide> Hello
[16:35] <Guest52891> ciao a tutti
[16:36] <Guest52891> hello
[16:39] <defaultro> ikonia: ok. i'll do some research. Thanks!
[16:46] <theoneandonlu> Why so quiet on the western front?
[16:46] <jihad> ha always quiet on this irc
[16:47] <theoneandonlu> Nice username
[16:47] <Ari-Yang> !offtopic | jihad
[16:47] <daftykins> jihad: nope it gets pretty busy
[16:48] <defaultro> BluesKaj: I ran it. What is the format of the output?
[16:48] <z3r0> is there any way to dump a terminal into a txt filr ?
[16:48] <z3r0> file*
[16:48] <defaultro>  what does ii mean?
[16:48] <MrSassyPants> so a recent update broke steam is there a workaround?
[16:49] <dtcrshr> MrSassyPants: what specifically
[16:49] <dtcrshr> come over to #steamlug
[16:50] <BluesKaj> defaultro, looks like it's just a list , hold the enter key down to continue
[16:50] <defaultro> is it based on when it was installed?
[16:51] <defaultro> ikonia: can't find any thing related to response file in tasksel
[16:51] <ikonia> defaultro: it's not tasksel - it's a debian package install response file
[16:51] <defaultro> ho
[16:51] <defaultro> oh
[16:52] <defaultro> so since it's mysql related, i should search for mysql response file
[16:52] <ikonia> defaultro: no
[16:52] <ikonia> defaultro: it's not mysql related
[16:52] <defaultro> what should I search for?
[16:52] <ikonia> defaultro: it's debian package releated, the package just happens to be mysql
[16:52] <defaultro> debian package response file
[16:52] <defaultro> got it
[16:53] <defaultro> i'll be reading this, http://serverfault.com/questions/228266/how-do-i-generate-a-response-file-to-be-used-with-apt-get-or-aptitude
[16:54] <abradley> I'm attempting to install a bin file and I'm getting this: http://i.imgur.com/yh1JjDx.png Is the problem that a directory doesn't exist?
[16:54] <defaultro> ubuntu doesn't have debconf-get-selections
[16:55] <vikator> i'm having problems with booting ubuntu 12.04, it was all working fine until i woke up in the morning and saw my computer hanging at grub rescue prompt(i did not shut it down). i booted from live cd, wiped out first cyl of disk, reinstalled the grub and still i get grub rescue prompt
[16:55] <Sylenthemp> Hello, an answer to this question would be very appreciated: on launchpad, i see packages with versions like 2:2.7.3, 1: ..., etc. What does the first digit (before the ":") represent?
[16:56] <EvilPanda> Hi i get a system error
[16:56] <defaultro> i have it now after running apt-get install debconf-utils
[16:56] <EvilPanda> There isnt a code..
[16:56] <daftykins> abradley: you've got a lot of system updates to install ;)
[16:57] <myth> please help me with hadoop ?
[16:57] <daftykins> myth: ask the question in full
[16:57] <daftykins> but maybe there's a hadoop channel
[16:58] <abradley> daftykins, sudo apt-get update doesn't update anything
[16:58] <myth> i want a code to get feed from the facebook and twitter in hadoop
[16:58] <EvilPanda> Its a diplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/936122
[16:58] <daftykins> abradley: sure it does, it updates the package lists. after that you have to run 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[16:58] <EvilPanda> duplicate*
[16:59] <abradley> oh. thanks for the input.
[16:59] <abradley> any idea what dist needs to be updated?
[17:00] <daftykins> abradley: running that command fully updates your 12.04 install
[17:00] <abradley> my bad, got it now,t hanks
[17:00] <daftykins> it installs the latest packages
[17:00] <abradley> thanks a lot for your help
[17:00] <myth> daftykins, i want a code to get feed from the facebook and twitter in hadoop
[17:01] <wilee-nilee> !patience | myth
[17:02] <daftykins> abradley: you'll need a restart after it's done too. for the thing you're installing though, are you sure that's the best way to do it? do they not have a guide that might explain what's going wrong? it looks like it's trying to run java from within the extracted folder
[17:02] <jay_> hello there all i'm new on ubunto :)
[17:03] <vikator> how can i find out which grub version i have installed?
[17:03] <abradley> daftykins, I am certain of nothing   :/    I am following the company's guide. Thanks for your input.
[17:03] <an3k> how come ubuntu 13.04 32-bit doesn't save window positions & sizes?
[17:03] <jay_> guys do u kno if paltalk can be run on linux ubunto?
[17:03] <daftykins> jay_: cool, do you use ubuntu too?
[17:03] <EvilPanda> Where can i get the plugins to play audio/video on ubuntu
[17:03] <EvilPanda> I need the mp3 ones
[17:03] <EvilPanda> and mp4
[17:03] <jay_> yeah id o
[17:03] <jay_> yeah i do
[17:03] <MonkeyDust> EvilPanda  ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:03] <daftykins> EvilPanda: install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:04] <wissam> Hi , am using kubuntu 13.04 and sometimes it freezes completely .in kubuntu 12.10 laptop freezes completely when enabling wireless in network manager an i solved it y by adding "noacpi" in boot option
[17:04] <jay_> install vlc player
[17:04] <myth> wilee-nilee ok , sorry for repeating my question
[17:04] <EvilPanda> I need to install them on a computer without internet
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> !offline | EvilPanda
[17:05] <EvilPanda> MonkeyDust: thanks
[17:05] <defaultro> ikonia: I figured it out :) Thanks a lot
[17:05] <ikonia> defaultro: great, well done
[17:05] <defaultro> I'll try it now. Hopefully it works
[17:07] <wissam> here is a part of output message http://pastebin.com/uT5KYBY7
[17:07] <entr0py> 12.04 LTS > 13.04
[17:08] <wissam> of dmesg*
[17:08] <entr0py> solves many problems for me.
[17:08] <EvilPanda> I cant find the package manager in system settings
[17:08] <EvilPanda> Its ubuntu 13
[17:09] <defaultro> it didn't work. It's still asking for a password
[17:11] <EvilPanda> "APT Chooser Which distribution do you have?" what do i choose for ubuntu 13?
[17:11] <ikonia> EvilPanda: ubuntu 13......as in 13.04 ?
[17:11] <ikonia> EvilPanda: or 13.10
[17:12] <EvilPanda> 13.04
[17:12] <ikonia> EvilPanda: then the distro is 13.04
[17:12] <EvilPanda> Maverick?
[17:13] <ikonia> EvilPanda: no, that's not the release name
[17:13] <EvilPanda> There Isnt distro numbers
[17:14] <ikonia> then it's raring ringtail
[17:16] <wissam> no one knows what does that mean http://pastebin.com/uT5KYBY7 ,my laptop sometimes freezes completely and i have to hardly restart it
[17:17] <defaultro> I got it workingg
[17:17] <defaultro> i was able to login too to  mysql :)
[17:18] <theperfectpunk> I removed ffmpeg from my system
[17:18] <daftykins> wissam: look up ACPI problems for your make + model laptop / computer - also look into disabling acpi
[17:18] <theperfectpunk> but when i run ffmpeg from terminal
[17:18] <theperfectpunk> it gives me mohit@mohit-pc:~$ ffmpeg
[17:18] <theperfectpunk> bash: /usr/bin/ffmpeg: No such file or directory
[17:18] <theperfectpunk> instead of the usual
[17:18] <daftykins> theperfectpunk: so you're confused that after removing a program it doesn't run?
[17:19] <theperfectpunk> try installing using sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[17:19] <Johnny_Linux> lol
[17:19] <theperfectpunk> nope
[17:19] <Johnny_Linux> took the words outta my mouth
[17:19] <defaultro> tasksel also didn't prompt me anymore with the password for mysql :D
[17:19] <theperfectpunk> there are traces of ffmpeg left
[17:19] <Johnny_Linux> in config ?
[17:19] <theperfectpunk> how do i get it show the usual message
[17:19] <theperfectpunk> yea
[17:20] <Johnny_Linux> you could delete that file
[17:20] <theperfectpunk> i mean there must be a file that specifies what to run at what command
[17:20] <Reginaldo> hola yo soy Reginaldo yo tengo verga muy lunga
[17:20] <Johnny_Linux> its a config file for re-installation purposes
[17:20] <Reginaldo> johnny
[17:20] <theperfectpunk> the command didn't get deleted
[17:20] <theperfectpunk> ffmpeg is still in the terminal
[17:21] <theperfectpunk> but it cannot find the executable
[17:21] <Johnny_Linux> logout and back in
[17:21] <theperfectpunk> that'll do it?
[17:21] <Reginaldo> UBUNTU NIGER FAGGOT SUCKS MICROSOFT IS BEST WINDOWS VISTA FOREVER
[17:21] <genii> wissam: Might want to try acpi=noirq  in grub and see if it helps. If not, probably better to turn it off with acpi=off
[17:21] <Johnny_Linux> anyway, im on the telly, bbiaf
[17:21] <daftykins> Johnny_Linux: fame!
[17:22] <wissam> ok thnx i will try it
[17:28] <neila> il sesto senso
[17:37] <wookey> how do I get an ubuntu 12.04 box to boot to grub menu so I can boot with init=/bin/sh?
[17:37] <wookey> I'm being deafault by all the shiny purple plymouth - is there a magic key?
[17:37] <wookey> defeated
[17:37] <Baohuahuauhw> HI, what is wrong with this command: netstat -at | grep '*.*.*.*' ?
[17:38] <ikonia> Baohuahuauhw: nothing
[17:39] <Baohuahuauhw> Why i dont receive any IPs?
[17:39] <ikonia> Baohuahuauhw: because you are grepping for * - not IP's
[17:39] <ikonia> Baohuahuauhw: it's matching the "*"
[17:39] <Tigger__> Hi, please could anyone help with this? -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6102565/
[17:39] <Baohuahuauhw> aha, how do grep "anything"."anything"? .........
[17:39] <Baohuahuauhw> to*
[17:39] <ikonia> Tigger__: you have run out of disk space
[17:39] <ikonia> Baohuahuauhw: you don't
[17:40] <Tigger__> ikonia: no I have about 75G left
[17:40] <ikonia> Baohuahuauhw: you can try to esapce the *
[17:40] <ikonia> Tigger__: sorry - read it wrong
[17:41] <Tigger__> no worries ikonia :)
[17:41] <Baohuahuauhw> any alternate way? Im using C++, so \ sign doesnt work
[17:41] <ikonia> Baohuahuauhw: not really as it can't know what numbers are IP and what are just numbers
[17:41] <ikonia> Baohuahuauhw: you could try to use regex
[17:41] <Baohuahuauhw> regex is ubuntu command?
[17:42] <ikonia> Tigger__: Hmm, I'm wondering it the e2fs complaints is in a package depend (I don't think so) or within the local apt database
[17:42] <ikonia> Baohuahuauhw: no, it's "regular expression"
[17:42] <ikonia> Baohuahuauhw: look at grep -x [regex]
[17:42] <joelwallis> Hi. I'm getting error messages when trying to mount a partition in my Ubuntu notebook.
[17:43] <Tigger__> ikonia: it let me do apt-get install zip ok with no errors
[17:43] <Baohuahuauhw> ok thx
[17:43] <joelwallis> How is possible to debug these type of things?
[17:43] <ikonia> Tigger__: yeah, because that's not referencing e2fsprogs
[17:43] <wookey> holding down shift doesn't work (either shift)
[17:43] <Tigger__> ikonia: I see :)
[17:43] <ikonia> Tigger__: I'm trying to debate if it's worth rebuilding the apt database
[17:44] <Tigger__> ikonia: I see
[17:44] <martinalex> hi, i have an instance of arpwatch running, but it actually does too much... i just want it to watch out for arp changes in the subnet i explicitly give to it - how can i manage that? (ignore anything but my subnet)
[17:45] <Tigger__> ikonia: I could try perhaps
[17:45] <ikonia> Tigger__: yeah, could be worth it, just make sure you backup the files first
[17:45] <unknown101> ika you are on?
[17:45] <unknown101> i had internet problems
[17:46] <Tigger__> ikonia: ok, how do I rebuild the apt data base?
[17:46] <unknown101> Why don't ubuntu recognize my main keyboard?
[17:46] <ikonia> unknown101: it seems like it's broken
[17:46] <ikonia> unknown101: unles you can now prove it's not
[17:47] <unknown101> When i get in bios with it.Its fully working but when ubuntu boot it stops
[17:47] <we6jbo> I opened up Text Editor and I'm missing the top menu bar from the frame
[17:47] <ikonia> Tigger__: you'll need to have a prod around in /var/lib/dpkg, I don't have an ubuntu box handy to check it
[17:47] <ikonia> unknown101: so it works in the bios - but fails in ubuntu ??
[17:47] <unknown101> yes ikonia we were talking before
[17:47] <unknown101> i had internet problems
[17:47] <ikonia> unknown101: and you've checked it currently works in the bios - this isn't "used" to work inthe bios, this is currently works in the bios
[17:48] <Tigger__> ikonia: ok, thank you very much for your help, I will try and let you know what happens :)
[17:48] <unknown101> bios settings are fine
[17:48] <ikonia> Tigger__: if you really get stuck, let me know and I'll boot an ubuntu box to help you properly
[17:48] <unknown101> ubuntu's problem
[17:48] <ikonia> unknown101: no - I didn't ask if the bios settings where fine, I asked if the keyboard works "now" in the bios
[17:48] <Sylenthemp> Hello, an answer to this question would be appreciated: On Launchpad, i see some packages in PPAs with version numbers like "2:2.7.3 ...". What does the first digit (the 2 before the ":") represent?
[17:49] <unknown101> it does...
[17:49] <Tigger__> ikonia: that is a very kind offer, thank you again :)
[17:49] <ikonia> unknown101: ok, that's good to konw,
[17:49] <ikonia> unknown101: so what is the make/model of the keyboard,
[17:49] <ikonia> Tigger__: no problem, let me know if you need a bit more detailed help
[17:49] <unknown101> give me 1 sec
[17:51] <Vellik> Greettings to everyone.
[17:51] <Tigger__> ikonia: will do my friend, Thanks :) you are a good egg :)
[17:51] <ikonia> Tigger__: no problem
[17:52] <hays> im getting a laptop with ubuntu preloaded. what's the easiest way to nuke this and put on xubuntu
[17:53] <ikonia> hays: download xubuntu - burn cd, boot cd, install xubuntu
[17:53] <trism> Sylenthemp: it is the epoch, see the Version section of: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html
[17:53] <daftykins> s/cd/USB/
[17:53] <hays> ikonia: so its best to start over
[17:53] <ikonia> hays: up to you
[17:53] <ikonia> hays: we have no idea what's on it or it's config
[17:54] <hays> hmm well i don't know either.. its whatever the ASUS EEEs ship with i think
[17:54] <mfaroukg> when I loaded the nvidia driver on the ubuntu and unity is not loaded. how to fix?
[17:54] <ikonia> hays: so it's up to you, trust their build/dont
[17:54] <hays> is there a way to strip out ubuntu and load xubuntu without starting over?
[17:55] <unknown101> iko sorry internet problems(my provider is updating)
[17:55] <unknown101> did you find anything?
[17:55] <ikonia> unknown101: I'm waiting for the keyboard make/model
[17:55] <daftykins> hays: you could try installing the package 'xubuntu-desktop' but i bet you'll get issues
[17:55] <unknown101> i sent it nevermind probably disconnecteded
[17:56] <seanh> Anyone know why my keybind stopped working (or how I can debug this)? I have `keycode 62 = F21` in ~/.Xmodmap (binds right shift to F21), it was working before but just stopped
[17:56] <hays> and there is also lubuntu
[17:56] <unknown101> [sharkoon] skiller gaming keyboard
[17:56] <unknown101> got it?
[17:56] <hays> but this thing has 2GB RAM probably good enough to trim down to xfce vs. going all the way to openbox
[17:56] <seanh> in compozconfig settings manager, I've bound f21 to launch the scale plugin, but it no longer works
[17:56] <ikonia> unknown101: http://www.sharkoon.com/?q=en/node/2180 read the last line
[17:56] <ikonia> unknown101: The keyboard is not compatible with Linux OS.
[17:57] <Sylenthemp> Thank you trism. So does a package with version number 2:2.7.3 necessarily have to differ from the same package with version number 1:2.7.3?
[17:57] <unknown101> FFS
[17:57] <seanh> In the bind key dialog in settings manager, pressing right shift does get picked up as F21 and appears to get bound, but pressing it doesn't trigger window scaling
[17:57] <mfaroukg> there is a conflict in the driver of the nvidia and the display/GLX/unity and the screen shows blind.
[17:57] <seanh> Hmm, no, ccsm is detecting right shift as shift now, so seems my xmodmap file stopped working for some reason?
[17:58] <trism> Sylenthemp: yes if you read a little farther, the epochs are compared first, so 1 < 2
[17:58] <Sylenthemp> ok, thank you trism.
[17:59] <unknown101> ikonia is it possible to make it support linux?
[17:59] <ikonia> unknown101: the vendor says it's not supported, I'm not wasting time on that
[18:00] <unknown101> the vendor is a mfer...
[18:00] <ikonia> unknown101: tone down the language, there is no need for it
[18:00] <ikonia> unknown101: the warning is clear on the website - you bought it, no-one but your fault
[18:00] <unknown101> anyway thanks for the help.I used to run windows 7....
[18:03] <Vellik> I'm using ubuntu 12.04 on a lapto with no dedicated graphics chipset. How should I proceed to configure my multi-seat, if I can't find xorg.conf file on /etc/x11?
[18:05] <Amis> Hello! I installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS using the latest Wubi and each time during the first boot at "Verifying configuration" or something like that or says "No root filesystem is defined". Params: Windows 7 Pro N, tried installing in both Primary and Extended NTFS partition, using the desktop ISO of Ubuntu.
[18:06] <Amis> I successfully installed this release on an other laptop about half a year ago or so
[18:06] <Amis> How can I fix this?
[18:07] <EvilPanda> How can I tell if my systems amd64 or i386 arcitecture
[18:08] <Hubbadubba> HI, whats wrong with this grep command?: netstat -at | grep "[0-9]{0,3}\.[0-9]{0,3}\.[0-9]{0,3}\.[0-9]{0,3}
[18:08] <wilee-nilee> Amis, Wubi is a try out install is there a reason why you continue with these install?
[18:09] <Amis> wilee-nilee, purely because I would like to keep the current partition structure
[18:09] <MonkeyDust> EvilPanda  paste this line in a terminal        sudo dmidecode -t processor|grep capable
[18:09] <EvilPanda> thanks
[18:09] <Vellik> EvilPanda: if you have System Monitor, you can clearly see it.
[18:10] <EvilPanda> 64 bit
[18:10] <EvilPanda> ah thanks
[18:10] <Amis> Also extra info: my Windows 7 Pro N installation is pretty new (2 weeks)
[18:10] <wilee-nilee> Amis, wubi has very little users, and only one person I know of that can really help.
[18:11] <gordonjcp> Amis: wubi is not recommended
[18:12] <Amis> So I won't really get support for Wubi here?
[18:13] <defaultro> hey guys, what is easy_install?
[18:13] <Hubbadubba> amis wat yo question?..............
[18:13] <Vellik> Do I always need video card to configure multi-seat?
[18:13] <Amis> Hubbadubba: [20:05] <Amis> Hello! I installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS using the latest Wubi and each time during the first boot at "Verifying configuration" or something like that or says "No root filesystem is defined". Params: Windows 7 Pro N, tried installing in both Primary and Extended NTFS partition, using the desktop ISO of Ubuntu.
[18:14] <genii> Vellik: Nope.
[18:15] <Amis> Accidentally closed window, sorry
[18:15] <daftykins> Amis: i would highly advise avoiding WUBI
[18:15] <Hubbadubba> the answer is 1. easy-> (Maybe 12.04 has some issues with wubi, and u could try 13.04 or something) or 2. hard -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1761521
[18:15] <EvilPanda> if its 64-bitcapable do i get the amd64 	download?
[18:15] <wilee-nilee> Amis, you would b better and more stable with it in a virtual.
[18:15] <daftykins> 13.04 doesn't allow WUBI afaik
[18:15] <Vellik> genii, do you know what file should I configure, once I can't find the xorg.conf at /etc/x11?
[18:16] <genii> Vellik: eg: xvfb
[18:16] <Amis> wilee-nilee, I would like to have the full speed of the hardware so virtual machine is a no-no
[18:16] <Hubbadubba> and 3. Try google, i dont think many is good on wubi here
[18:16] <genii> Vellik: If there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf you make one, and then it gets used
[18:16] <Amis> Following the no-wubi line: is it possible to initiate the instalation of wubi without using any external device (CD/DVD or external HDD) from Windows?
[18:17] <wilee-nilee> Amis, you don't have that with a wubi either
[18:17] <Vellik> I had that in my guts. Thank you so much, genii.
[18:18] <mjaime> hola
[18:18] <polt> Hi, i have a question about my ubuntu forums login.
[18:18] <genii> Vellik: np
[18:18] <polt> I can't log in because the email address that was set up with my username no longer works.
[18:18] <polt> I still know my username and password though.
[18:19] <wilee-nilee> polt try #ubuntuforums
[18:19] <polt> Okay.
[18:19] <polt> Thanks!
[18:20] <demy84> hello
[18:21] <Vellik> Amis. Installing it directly from Windows is tricky. I would sugest that you boot the device with the distro, it's not dificult at all.
[18:21] <demy84> hello
[18:21] <Vellik> *suggest
[18:21] <Amis> Vellik: please elaborate on this: "boot the device with the distro"
[18:22] <Amis> Right now I'm looking at an EasyBCD tutorial that lets me boot the ISO, that sounds like something I need right now
[18:23] <daftykins> Amis: you don't have a flash drive handy?
[18:23] <daftykins> this is 2013 after all
[18:23] <Amis> daftykins, unfortunately my equipment is miles away
[18:23] <designbybeck_> I've got a hp 2000-2c10dx Laptop, that gives me a Blank Screen after grub
[18:23] <designbybeck_> It had Windows 8 on it
[18:23] <Pessimist> If I want to replace empathy with pidgin because facebook chat is not working with empathy do I simply: sudo apt-get install pidgin && sudo apt-get purge empathy ?
[18:23] <Vellik> Amis: sorry, I didn't read from the begining, but if you downloaded and recorded the ISO image on a CD, DVD or Flash-drive, you may reboot your computer and press the key which will lead you to the boot devices so you cann choose the one with Linux.
[18:24] <daftykins> Vellik: reading up in future might save the help-ee some wasted time
[18:24] <designbybeck_> Trying to do a new install on hp 2000-2c10dx Laptop...but I get a blank screen ... when trying to boot
[18:24] <Amis> Vellik, yea as I said I don't have such external storage at hand right now
[18:26] <Vellik> Trying to help, daftykins. Maybe you can solve his case.
[18:26] <daftykins> nah i'm headed out
[18:26] <daftykins> but bear this in mind - if a job is worth doing it's worth doing well, not rushed in a half-assed way :D
[18:27] <wilee-nilee> Lol the ubuntnik philosopher
[18:28] <jhutchins> designbybeck_: Probably just not getting the graphics quite right.  You can try booting to single or to rescue (I can't remember which distros use which terminology).
[18:29] <designbybeck_> hey jhutchins The last system we did get it working, this is a new person and a nother latop
[18:29] <Vellik> daftykins, I'll remember that, the same way you should know just because you learnt a saying, doesn't mean you can use it in all the possible cases. What's your problem?
[18:29] <designbybeck_> We tried nomodeset and it started to boot, but then efxited
[18:29] <jhutchins> designbybeck_: Do some googling of your model and xorg; f you get into the console you can lspci -nn to get the GPU chipset.
[18:30] <jhutchins> designbybeck_: Again, google is your friend for this.  You may need something else like noapic or noacpi
[18:31] <jhutchins> designbybeck_: Too few of us here have an hp 2000-2c10dx to be useful.
[18:34] <eph3meral> how can I tell or test whether my nvidia drivers are installed correctly?
[18:34] <mediawork> hello
[18:34] <Vellik> Thought the community was meant for cooperation; but as I see, with all the Linux populatity growth, there is indeed a risk that some Linux versions, such as Ubuntu one, become with time a Windows like OS. And that shall happen, with help of users like daftykins. This is depressing.
[18:34] <Amis> I'll try a direct ISO boot with EasyBCD, thanks for the help
[18:35] <eph3meral> Vellik, take some prozac, carry on
[18:35] <eph3meral> or just go use slackware or something
[18:36] <designbybeck_> Thank you jhutchins I'll keep looking
[18:36] <Monday> is there a power-manager app that efficiently sets up the battery of a laptop correctly?
[18:36] <designbybeck_> Might try the alternative
[18:36] <eph3meral> Monday, there's not really any such thing as "correctly" there's only "right for your use case"
[18:36] <eph3meral> in presentation mode your power saver settings will be different than say if you're browsing reddit
[18:36] <Vellik> eph3meral: medicines mask the problems that still exist. I am not adept of your method of shutting the eyes and looking away. You flee from the issues.
[18:37] <eph3meral> angry vellik is angry
[18:37] <eph3meral> actually you're just trolling: complaining in a forum about something none of us care to hear you complain about - if you don't like it there are hundreds of other distros
[18:38] <LinuxGold> Vellik: go and download Slackware
[18:38] <bazhang> !behelpful | LinuxGold
[18:38] <Vellik> eph3meral, you clearly miss the point, here, that my critics are for the user in particular, not the Ubuntu itself.
[18:39] <bazhang> Vellik, whats the issue
[18:40] <Vellik> Simple fact is that I use Ubuntu and I am here to help. I volunteered in this forum so a moron can come and tell me to stand away? I don't think so.
[18:41] <bazhang> Vellik, stop the name calling
[18:42] <Vellik> That why people will always switch to Linux for necessity, not for option: they don't feel welcome here. Think about that.
[18:43] <gordonjcp> Vellik: sounds like a discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:43] <gordonjcp> oh well, hope the door didn't hit him as he left
[18:43] <eph3meral> anyway, I'd still like to know how to determine whether nvidia driver install was successful
[18:44] <eph3meral> I've been having some issues with various kernels, I have locked it down to minor v 27 iirc
[18:44] <dhaval2712> Hey I can't write into my windows share despite setting permissions properly on Windows and Linux
[18:45] <gordonjcp> dhaval2712: possibly it's mounted read-only?
[18:45] <dhaval2712> nope.
[18:45] <dhaval2712> -o user=dhaval,uid=1000,gid=1000,rw
[18:46] <Bittarman> anyone know how to get dual head working with two amd graphics adapters? I have one screen in each, and when I enable the second, it just gives a blank screen, with the default X cursor when I mouse onto it
[18:47] <Bittarman> it seems to be halfway there, but the desktop / unity does not seem to extend onto it correctly
[18:47] <Bittarman> additionally, xrandr does not list the monitor
[18:47] <unknown101> how to speed up my alfa usb network adapter
[18:49] <eph3meral> I've been having a strage "low rez" video issue with other kernels
[18:49] <jhutchins> !twinview
[18:51] <defaultro> Does ubuntu use chkconfig to enable start up of applications?
[18:52] <EvilPanda> I cant install packages
[18:52] <mfaroukg> please help solving the conflict between the nvidia driver and my ubuntu unity
[18:52] <EvilPanda> When i tey to the install button is greyed out
[18:52] <EvilPanda> try*
[18:52] <unknown101> mfarou search it on google i solved my problem from there
[18:52] <zykotick9> defaultro: upstart doesn't have any management tools...
[18:52] <defaultro> zykotick9: I got lost
[18:53] <mfaroukg> unknown101, give me link I searched a lot
[18:53] <mfaroukg> I think it is different with me
[18:53] <defaultro> what do you think about this, http://askubuntu.com/questions/2263/chkconfig-alternative-for-ubuntu-server
[18:53] <mfaroukg> I have Samsung laptop
[18:53] <mediawork> hi any british people here?
[18:54] <mediawork> ahh, its non ubuntu related though... :(
[18:56] <defaultro>  sysv-rc-conf is very cool
[18:56] <mediawork> can somebody british, pronounce the following company name out loud, and tell me the first thing that comes to mind :)
[18:56] <mediawork> "BitVinci"
[18:57] <mediawork> but you have to say it out loud,
[18:57] <mediawork> sorry to be off topic,, but no good irc channel for this
[18:57] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic mediawork
[18:57] <mediawork> :(
[19:00] <green_geeky_dude> <- Britvic springs to mind :p
[19:03] <unknown101> anyone know how to patch a keyboard to work with ubuntu?
[19:08] <MonkeyDust> !details | unknown101 start from the beginning
[19:08] <mediawork> green_geeky_dude,  does the work "whimsical" spring to mind?   " a bit whimsy?"
[19:08] <mediawork> *word
[19:09] <bazhang> !ot | mediawork
[19:09] <green_geeky_dude> mediawork, Nope :p
[19:09] <genii> mediawork: As mentioned before, the better channel for you to enquire about non-support things is the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[19:10] <mediawork> geirha,  sorry
[19:10] <mediawork> Im goint
[19:10] <mediawork> going
[19:14] <jost> Hi! I've got a webserver, and a backup server that is only accessible from the webserver via ssh or ftp. Now I want to use the backup server to backup my local machine. In order to do that, I'd like to set up the webserver to act as SSH proxy to the backup server - how do I do that?
[19:16] <bazhang> jost  asked in #ubuntu-server yet?
[19:16] <jost> bazhang: nope, but will do
[19:16] <carbonix_> hi
[19:17] <carbonix_> the best version ubuntu is...?
[19:18] <carbonix_> 12.04?
[19:18] <wilee-nilee> !best | carbonix_
[19:18] <jost> carbonix_: depends
[19:22] <defaultro> hey folks, how can I find differrent versions of drupal that I can install with apt-get?
[19:24] <Axlin> apt-cache policy drupal
[19:24] <defaultro> ok
[19:25] <defaultro> i also tried apt-cache search drupal
[19:25] <zykotick9> !ppa | defaultro pay attention to the warning.
[19:25] <defaultro> it worked too
[19:25] <Axlin> Were you looking for version numbers or package names? apt-cache policy only shows you version numbers/sources for a specific package. apt-cache search will list packages with drupal in their name.
[19:26] <defaultro> kinda
[19:26] <bekks> Kinda what? :)
[19:26] <defaultro> I was worried that if I do apt-get install drupal, it might install old version
[19:26] <defaultro> i see there are 2 versions, 6 & 7
[19:26] <citrusfizz> i'd like to setup up my ubuntu server with two nic cards and have two ips in the same subnet attached to each one,  then bind two instances of apache one to each nic  running on different ports if need be.    Possible?
[19:26] <ikonia> citrusfizz: messy, but possibe
[19:27] <zykotick9> defaultro: apt "should" only know about the highest version number.   but with additional repos/ppas, it becomes muddied a bit.
[19:27] <eph3meral> so I'm getting this issue when trying to install nvidia drivers via Jockey
[19:27] <eph3meral> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6102987/
[19:27] <ikonia> citrusfizz: why do they require seperate physical interfaces ?
[19:27] <defaultro> k
[19:27] <citrusfizz> doesn't have to be seperate phsyical  could be virtual on one nic
[19:27] <citrusfizz> but,  they need to be on different IPs
[19:27] <defaultro> citrusfizz: you can run https with specific conf file I guess
[19:27] <ikonia> citrusfizz: why do they need to be seperate interfaces ?
[19:27] <ikonia> citrusfizz: can you not just put 2 ip's on one card ?
[19:27] <defaultro> you don't even need 2 nics
[19:27] <eph3meral> are nvidia drivers still only available for 3.8.0-19 ?
[19:27] <citrusfizz> ikonia: i could
[19:28] <kebisk> how do i know which desktop environment i have?
[19:28] <eph3meral> the only kernel that doesn't give me permanent low resolution is -27
[19:28] <ikonia> citrusfizz: unless you need seperate interfaces, I'd suggest that
[19:28] <defaultro> ikonia: he can even do named based vhosting
[19:28] <eph3meral> kbisk, if you haven't done anything differently than just installing regular ubuntu then you have Unity
[19:28] <citrusfizz> i can't do named based vhosting
[19:28] <ikonia> defaultro: yes, of course, but he didn't ask for that, so I'm assuming he needs IP's for reasons such as SSL
[19:28] <citrusfizz> i would if i could
[19:28] <defaultro> k
[19:28] <citrusfizz> but the application requirements wont work that way
[19:28] <eph3meral> kbisk which is bascially GNOME3
[19:28] <citrusfizz> yes SSL
[19:28] <ikonia> citrusfizz: just bind a second IP to a card
[19:29] <citrusfizz> ikona  thats fine
[19:29] <defaultro> like what ikonia said, you can create a second ip on the first nic
[19:29] <defaultro> aliasing
[19:29] <citrusfizz> but its the rest of it
[19:29] <kebisk> is there something i can type in the terminal that will give me the desktop environment as output?
[19:29] <citrusfizz> the rest of the process i am unsure how to go about
[19:29] <citrusfizz> i don't need someone to walk me through it, but just the logic
[19:29] <ikonia> citrusfizz: what do you need to know ?
[19:29] <ikonia> citrusfizz: what's not clear and we'll try to clear it up
[19:29] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, look in the software center for the 313 updates , make sure they're available there
[19:30] <kebisk> i dont think it's unity, it looks different
[19:30] <citrusfizz> ikonia:   first  how would the routing work..  since i would be using the same gateway address.
[19:30] <kebisk> i have no bar on the left
[19:30] <ikonia> citrusfizz: you wouldn't need to route
[19:30] <ikonia> citrusfizz: it's on the same network as the first address, no routing neededd
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> kebisk, what desktop is it?
[19:31] <kebisk> i dont understand the question
[19:31] <stonix> kebisk, could try env | grep XDG_CURRENT
[19:31] <citrusfizz> so if a request comes in on one IP and needs to make another call to another outside service before responding to the client, i still wont have an issue with routing?
[19:31] <ikonia> citrusfizz: nope, all good
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> kebisk, Hmm, desktop is beyond your understanding?
[19:32] <citrusfizz> so do i need to set the same gateway for each Vinterface or just one gateway is fine?
[19:32] <defaultro> as long as gateway is properly setup and that the machine can go to the internet properly
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> !details | kebisk
[19:32] <bekks> citrusfizz: You set one gateway only.
[19:32] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, hmm, I usually prefer to use ubuntu and at least last I checked (which was admittedly maybe more than a year ago) it was recommended iirc to always use jockey for nvidia drivers
[19:33] <ikonia> citrusfizz: you actually won't need to define an additional gateway
[19:33] <citrusfizz> well,  the idea here is that the outbound requests would look like they are coming from different IPs as well
[19:33] <ikonia> citrusfizz: it's already set from the first interface,
[19:33] <eph3meral> er, s/perfer to use ubuntu/prefer to use synaptic/
[19:33] <ikonia> citrusfizz: and they will, that will be in the control layer of the tcp stack
[19:33] <kebisk> yes, you can make fun of me if you wish... do you mean the brand? toshiba
[19:33] <ikonia> citrusfizz: they are sharing a phsysical card, not an IP
[19:33] <bazhang> kebisk, take a screenshot
[19:34]  * jcbbjoe away
[19:34] <ikonia> !away > jcbbjoe
[19:34] <bazhang> jcbbjoe, dis able that
[19:34] <wilee-nilee> kebisk, nobody is making fun of you, I see now you do not know what the dektop is, however you can identify the ubuntu version you installed to start with.
[19:34] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, yes I mean the ubuntu software center, it contains the the same drivers as jockey , but sometimes jockey is buggy
[19:35] <__0x57__> does anyone play world of warcraft through wine at the minute ?
[19:35] <kebisk> i didnt install it, but i know how to open the terminal and type in it... just dont know what to type
[19:35] <bekks> __0x57__: if we would do that, no one would be here.
[19:35] <darkmutt> hello, while installing ubuntu through wubi, how can I change the space associated for ubuntu later on?
[19:35] <ikonia> citrusfizz: bit more confident ?
[19:35] <__0x57__> @bekks and whys thaty
[19:35] <stonix> kebisk, i said try this env | grep XDG_CURRENT
[19:36] <kebisk> i get no output for that
[19:36] <peyam> hey
[19:36] <bekks> __0x57__: because we cant type in here while playing minecraft.
[19:36] <peyam> does anybody know how I install Hi I got this:
[19:36] <peyam> look at this
[19:36] <__0x57__> minecraft ?
[19:36] <peyam> http://neuro.debian.net/blog/2013/2013-05-31_matlab_64bit_on_32bit.html
[19:36] <hiigaran> okay, i was following a guide to install something, but it was only for ubuntu. im running lubuntu, and i cant find this 'applications menu' that the guide talks about. how do i find what i just installed? the program wasnt installed through apt-get
[19:36] <bazhang> kebisk, please post a screenshot then
[19:36] <wilee-nilee> darkmutt, There is a wiki on that, wubi is a tryout option, not for long term use.
[19:36] <bekks> __0x57__: so whats your real question besides polling how many of us play minecraft?
[19:36] <peyam> does anyone know how I install linux-image-amd64??
[19:36] <__0x57__> i didnt say minecraft learn to read
[19:36] <ikonia> peyam: what version of ubuntu ?
[19:37] <ikonia> peyam: matlab is only supported on specific versions
[19:37] <peyam> ikonia: xubuntu 32 bit 13.04
[19:37] <bekks> __0x57__: Now you have to look for someone else willing to help you.
[19:37] <darkmutt> hmmm so basically i'll have to play with gparted to make a new partition then install xubuntu on it ?
[19:37] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, Link to the guide?
[19:37] <kebisk> dont know how to do screenshot
[19:37] <citrusfizz> ikonia:  can i have apache bind on port 80 for each VIP?
[19:37] <ikonia> peyam: ok, so this will be a bit more complex then as that guide is not for ubuntu
[19:37] <ikonia> citrusfizz: totally
[19:37] <peyam> ikonia: it should work anyway.. now they dont release 32 bits anymore
[19:37] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: ill have to pastebin it. one sec
[19:37] <bazhang> __0x57__, #winehq for that
[19:37] <ikonia> citrusfizz: they bind to the IP not the card
[19:37] <ikonia> peyam: it's not quite that simple
[19:37] <__0x57__> thanks bazhang
[19:37] <kebisk> ok will try later, have to go
[19:38] <ikonia> peyam: I'd advise you (if possible) to use a 64bit host if possible
[19:38] <__0x57__> i was jst going to #winehq as you said it
[19:38] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, so software center fails with some strange behavior
[19:38] <ikonia> peyam: eg: install ubuntu 64bit to make it easier from the start
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> darkmutt, A partitioned install works with filling an unallocated space or making space with the installer.
[19:38] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: http://pastebin.com/aeDM0nkW
[19:38] <hiigaran> it doesnt say much
[19:38] <eph3meral> I clicked install and then it prompted me about 10 times with the message that the package is unknown/not-secure, to which there were only two buttons [OK] and [repair]
[19:39] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, after the first round of clicking ok a bunch it apparently "did nothing" and I still had an install button
[19:39] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, fails to install the nvidia 313 or fails to launch ?
[19:39] <eph3meral> well it is trying to install 304
[19:39] <eph3meral> that's what it thinks is "current"
[19:39] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, as to that question I'm not 100% sure, i'm trying to describe the behavior
[19:40] <citrusfizz> ikonia: what would be my apache config in a nutshell?
[19:40] <eph3meral> subsequently after the first attempt at clicking install, I tried again, this time I got a progress bar, but still had to click OK about 10 times
[19:40] <agrester> Hello, anyone familiar with brother scanners, for some reason I can't get it to work at all!
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, Are you sure you need this or that it is a legit app, it is set for 10.04 and previous releases as well.
[19:40] <ikonia> citrusfizz: you'd be running 2 instances, just as you would if you had two seperate physical cards
[19:40] <eph3meral> and then it sat there for like, a really long time, but eventually just gave me that same question one more time, I clicked ok one more time
[19:40] <ikonia> citrusfizz: 2 configs, binding one instance to IP 1, the second to IP 2
[19:40] <eph3meral> and now the button still says install
[19:40] <citrusfizz> ikonia: ok, i think i can google out the rest of it.   thanks!
[19:41] <eph3meral> also the 'progress' recycle icon had a red "2" next to it
[19:41] <wilee-nilee> agrester, Identify the scanner and what you have tried so far to the channel.
[19:41] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, perhaps the nvidia-current driver is correct for your ubuntu version
[19:41] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: its a program used by the swedish medical centers to log you in to a fast reply system. its basically a security app
[19:41] <mernilio> Hi! Im free for asking! Being an old unix guy .. I just want to bring out all my knowledge to you guys!
[19:41] <hiigaran> been trying to install it for my mother, but...ugh
[19:41] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, er... correct? you mean I already have it installed?
[19:41] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, how could I test that?
[19:41] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, It is a Tar you would install it through a terminal.
[19:41] <wilee-nilee> !tar
[19:42] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: yeah, i untar it, then run the installation script as per the guide
[19:42] <hiigaran> i have it installed
[19:42] <mernilio> Dating a girl from CS is inpossible .. and undateable!
[19:42] <hiigaran> i just cant find it
[19:42] <ikonia> mernilio: ok, we don't need that sort of information in here
[19:42] <hiigaran> i dont know where it installed to, nor do i know what the command is to start it up
[19:42] <ikonia> mernilio: this channel is used for ubuntu support only, so if you could stick to that it would be helpful and appreciated
[19:42] <mernilio> ikonia: it could be nice knowing! ;-)
[19:42] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, if it was already installed you would get a notification, like "already the newest version"
[19:43] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, Ah, I see does it work through a cli maybe, you would probably want to contact the release whomever they are really.
[19:43] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, ok, so then where do I go from here?
[19:43] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: i was hoping i wouldnt do that
[19:43] <hiigaran> but is there a lubuntu equivalent of this applications menu?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, did the nvidia-current driver install ?
[19:43] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, I would look in bin or sbin in /
[19:43] <hiigaran> ill give that a shot
[19:43] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, uhh, no... how do I know for sure?
[19:44] <eph3meral> it still has an install button - I assume there would not be an install button if it was installed
[19:44] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, You can search the computer from home and /
[19:44] <hiigaran> not sure what id search for
[19:44] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, sudo apt-get install nvidia-current , in the console
[19:45] <agrester> Have an MFC-8660DN scanner, hooked it up to usb, and followed the instructions to install the Brother driver here http://goo.gl/ocpT6L and install the package that generates UDEV rules for the scanner http://goo.gl/ocpT6L, this worked before but for some reason recently it no longer works.
[19:45] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, not installed
[19:45] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, start with the name the tar used basically, there is probably sets of files, this is 3rd party stuff and technically not supported here.
[19:46] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: thanks, anyway
[19:46] <agrester> Next, I tried the method described on the forums here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=590793
[19:46] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6103063/
[19:46] <agrester> Still, it doesn't work no matter what I tried...
[19:46] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, so apt-get wouldn't install nvidia-current , was there an error ?
[19:47] <klong-> question: what software is in charge of implemtening "dns-nameserver" parameter in /etc/network/interfaces?  my interfaces are coming up on reboot, but DNS is not
[19:47] <eph3meral> I didn't say that, you asked whether "it was installed" and asked me to try that command to check for sure - that paste is merely the output proving that in fact the nvidia-current package is not installed
[19:47] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, I can try it through apt, but that seems dangerous to me from what I know
[19:48] <michaelwang32> ma
[19:48] <michaelwang32> i was testing
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> hiigaran, Someone may help you more efficiently, however a app we know nothing about in general slows things down is all. ;)
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ok , it will be fine eph3meral , let it install , then the software manager will ask you to reboot
[19:48] <hiigaran> wilee-nilee: yeah, i dont blame you, or anything, dont worry
[19:49] <Mizoguchi> clear
[19:49] <hiigaran> i dont suppose a restart would help?
[19:49] <zykotick9> eph3meral: fyi, you can use "apt-cache policy foo" to verify if things or installed or not.
[19:49] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, so what happens when I want to upgrade my kernel? right now I have it locked to 3.8.0-27 in synaptic
[19:50] <hiigaran> meh, ill try
[19:50] <eph3meral> zykotick9, cool thanks
[19:50] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, actually less dangerous than using jockey in my experience , jockey can be buggy
[19:50] <eph3meral> hmm, aight then, good to know
[19:50] <agrester> Oh ya, currently on Ubuntu 13.04 kernel version 3.8---30
[19:51] <eph3meral> ok reboot, brb, wish me luck
[19:51] <reallordofall> yo
[19:51] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, just be sure to sudo apt-get distupgrade every now and then , that wull bring any new kernel updates/upgrades along
[19:51] <BluesKaj> eph3meral,  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , rather
[19:51] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, what do you mean by bring kernel updates/upgrades? cuz I had been getting kernel updates from the software updater and it was breaking my vieo
[19:52] <agrester> Basically, scanning is terrible in Mac OS X and I want to avoid it.
[19:52] <eph3meral> which is why I locked my kernel to -27
[19:52] <eph3meral> s/vieo/video/
[19:52] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, which ubuntu version ?
[19:52] <eph3meral> 13.04 64 bit regular
[19:52] <eph3meral> though I'm running KDE
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> agrester, You checked for drivers in printers first right?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> ok and your graphics card is ?
[19:53] <eph3meral> nvidia 680gtx
[19:53] <agrester> wilee-nilee, yep
[19:53] <reallordofall> kde is so slow and buggy try xfce
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> agrester, cool had ti ask is all. ;)
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> to*
[19:54] <mernilio> Damn.. where did that guy go.. i just had a good wriging aboujt me being a killer programmer and a master unix admin :-)
[19:54] <agrester> wilee-nilee, okay, the strange thing is that it's worked before using the same procedure
[19:54] <zykotick9> reallordofall: xfce is so slow and buggy try <insert WM here>.  (don't make comments like that, it's not helpful - let people use what they want... even if it's silly)
[19:54] <BluesKaj> no wonder you're having problems eph3meral locking the kernel is not a good practice , one needs to keep the OS updated
[19:55] <wilee-nilee> agrester, Yeah, I saw that, another release?
[19:55] <reallordofall> ok sorry
[19:56] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, i would if the updates didn't break my video
[19:56] <mernilio> Its non topic.. but i had to write to my dad .. he is not good towards my mum.
[19:56] <agrester> wilee-nilee, perhaps I should check on that
[19:56] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, I run kde as well , on 13.04 64bit as well and the 313 driver should be availnble if you uipgrade and dist-upgrade
[19:56] <eph3meral> and i disagree on "not a good practice" maybe not an "ideal" practice, but ideal vs doesn't break I'll take doesn't break
[19:57] <wilee-nilee> agrester, I meant another ubuntu release.
[19:57] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, all the other kernels have something wrong where I get stuck on a really low resolution
[19:57] <eph3meral> i actually found a thread on it in the ubuntu bugs tracker somewhere
[19:57] <eph3meral> it's happening to plenty of other people
[19:57] <Johnny_Linux> sure is a nice card tho
[19:58] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, if the distribution process were perfect I could agree with you about not locking my kernel, but as is, I just can't "live with it" when I get stuck at like 1024x768 max
[19:58] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, well, maybe my lowly 8400gs isn't so bad afterall
[19:58] <OerHeks> eph3meral, on what videocard ?
[19:58] <agrester> wilee-nilee, no it was the same version
[19:58] <eph3meral> OerHeks, 680gxt
[19:58] <Johnny_Linux> eph3meral  if you dont mind me asking, what kind of mobo is that sitting on
[19:58] <eph3meral> Johnny_Linux, asrock extreme4
[19:58] <Johnny_Linux> ok
[19:59] <BluesKaj> yeah there are some reports about res problems with the Nvidia 600 series , eph3meral
[19:59] <zykotick9> eph3meral: i'm just curious, but have you ever installed the nvidia.com driver?  in addition to the ubuntu version?  the 680gxt sounds a lot newer then my 8800, but i don't have trouble with kernel/nvidia driver?
[19:59] <wilee-nilee> agrester, I see this, however I'm not familiar with this unit. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+package/brother-cups-wrapper-laser
[20:01] <agrester> wilee-nilee, checked that I don't think the scanner software is in there
[20:01] <wilee-nilee> agrester, With a quick search I see info at brother on additional stuff needed, I think you are probably just missing something, just a guess though.
[20:02] <eph3meral> ah, yeah could be just the hardware is relatively new
[20:02] <eph3meral> well reboot, wish me luck, brb
[20:02] <Johnny_Linux> yeah
[20:03] <wilee-nilee> agrester, You have the backports and partners repos open in the sources.list?
[20:06] <agrester> wilee-nilee, no just updates
[20:07] <wilee-nilee> agrester, Those repos can be important for stuff, the partners especially.
[20:07] <eph3meral> well, I think it finally worked
[20:07] <eph3meral> thanks BluesKaj
[20:07] <reallordofall> sudo apt-get install amarok/$(lsb_release -sc)-backports
[20:08] <eph3meral> zykotick9, XFCE isn't slow, it's blazing fast, but it is buggy
[20:08] <wilee-nilee> agrester, You probably had those repos open last time you installed, when I run a deb like that I use gdebi it will show any missing dependencies.
[20:08] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, check this in the console , dkms status , you may need to install dkms
[20:08] <reallordofall> i'm not agree but it doesnt matter
[20:09] <arcsky_> can anyone help me with a source.list to ubuntu 11.04
[20:09] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, "nvidia-304, 304.88, 3.8.0-27-generic, x86_64: installed"
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> arcsky_, 11.04 is eol.
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> !eol | archigos this will direct your sources info.
[20:09] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, so now how do I go about upgrading to 3.8.0-30 and still keep the nvidia driver
[20:10] <eph3meral> and or, how do I go about upgrading to nvidia 313
[20:10] <eph3meral> (both, but we can tackle one at a time if need be)
[20:10] <arcsky_> wilee-nilee: ok its an lab laptop. isnt possible to do something?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, now might want to unlock your kernel , unless you're happy with the 304 driver
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> arcsky_, Problem is its not supported here, read the bots link on the repos for a upgrade maybe.
[20:10] <eph3meral> why would unlocking the kernel change the driver version?
[20:10] <bwayne> I've got X11 forwarding setup. I can start programs like xclock. How to launch a program like chrome-browser?
[20:10] <eph3meral> aren't they indepenent?
[20:11] <eph3meral> independent*
[20:11] <bekks> bwayne: The same way as xclock.
[20:11] <wilee-nilee> arcsky_, 11.04 is just not in the standard repos as of now.
[20:11] <Kronuz> hello
[20:11] <zykotick9> eph3meral: re: xfce-slow, actually that's a matter of opinion!  that's why i commented on your origional statement, these arguments are pointless.  but compared to my awesome/ncurses mainly setup, xfce is a resource beast ;)  it's all a matter of opinion.
[20:11] <arcsky_> wilee-nilee: i did dist-upgrade now
[20:11] <eph3meral> zykotick9, haha, well that's an almost unfair comparison because you're implicitly leaving X11 out of that equation
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> !dist-upgrade
[20:12] <zykotick9> eph3meral: awesome is xorg
[20:12] <eph3meral> s/X11/Xorg/
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> arcsky_, Your repos are not legit is all.
[20:12] <Kronuz> I'm having issues distributing a binary file and making it work in two different boxes with two different versions of ubuntu: Ubuntu 12.04 and Ubuntu 13.04
[20:12] <agrester> wilee-nilee, is there a generic scanning package I can use?
[20:12] <Kronuz> http://pastie.org/8323798
[20:13] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, aren't the versions independent? how would unlocking my kernel version cause the nvidia driver version to change
[20:13] <wilee-nilee> agrester, Not that i know of, again this is not supported here that is all I can really do. ;)
[20:13] <Kronuz> The guy who said he had to re-build the source code, gave me his built binaries, and I compared them to mine using ldd
[20:13] <Kronuz> (that's the pastie above)
[20:13] <Kronuz> the used libraries look the same names
[20:13] <wilee-nilee> all I know really, agrester
[20:13] <alastor__> i'm pretty sure i've added a ppa to get newer versions of PHP but i don't see anything out of the ordinary in /etc/apt/sources.list. where else could my PPA definitions be?
[20:14] <Kronuz> what can be causing my binaries (built using 12.04) not to work in his box (13.04)?
[20:14] <eph3meral> alastor__, check in synaptic under repositories
[20:14] <wilee-nilee> alastor__, /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:14] <zykotick9> alastor__: ppa's are in sources.list.  look in the source.list.d directory.
[20:14] <eph3meral> alastor__, also, you need to sudo apt-get update
[20:14] <zykotick9> alastor__: s/are/aren't/
[20:14] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, because you upgrade the kernel thereby upgrading the kernel modules available your OS
[20:15] <alastor__> i see. thank you wilee-nilee zykotick9 eph3meral
[20:15] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, but there are like 7 kernel versions and only 3 driver versions
[20:15] <eph3meral> aight, well whatever I'll give it a shot, lets see how it goes
[20:15] <eph3meral> bbiab
[20:15] <geirha> Kronuz: strings _SilverCity.so | grep GLIBC
[20:17] <gmag> Hi guys, how can I give all privileges to a user? I have tried visudo but no success. Do I have to run an update-* command to apply changes?
[20:18] <geirha> gmag: What line did you add with visudo?
[20:18] <Kronuz> geirha: http://pastie.org/8323817
[20:18] <zykotick9> gmag: add user to the sudo group.  log out / back in as that user.  done.
[20:19] <wilee-nilee> alastor__, Did you find /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[20:19] <ikonia> gmag: just put the user in the admin group
[20:19] <Kronuz> my binary is the one without the GLIBC_2.4
[20:19] <gmag> geirha, myuser ALL=(ALL) ALL
[20:19] <zykotick9> ikonia: NOT admin group, sudo.
[20:19] <ikonia> is the group sudo, I thought it was admin, thanks zykotick9
[20:19] <gmag> how to add?
[20:19] <geirha> gmag: And you added this as the last line? because the order of the lines matter
[20:19] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, I'm just saying it doesn't seem like there could be a 1-1 correlation between a kernel *version change* and a mandatory driver *version change*
[20:19] <zykotick9> ikonia: it was admin, not it's sudo.
[20:20] <eph3meral> since there aren't enough versions to go together
[20:20] <zykotick9> s/not/now/
[20:20] <gmag> geirha, I added after root user
[20:20] <gmag> there are only these two users
[20:20] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, I was under the impression that the driver version was independent, you just need to recompile the driver agains the new kernel headers but the driver version stays the same
[20:20] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, if this ^ is what you mean by "upgrade" then I guess we're on the same page
[20:20] <Kronuz> geirha, the other two binaries output the exact same GLIBC strings)
[20:21] <an3k> can someone help me with my problem please? installing ubuntu 13.04 on my desktop is done without any errors, rebooting also works well, even logging in but then after ~30 seconds the whole sys starts to heavily lag and ~20 seconds later the whole sys freezes
[20:21] <geirha> gmag: Ok, that should allow you to run anything with sudo, provided you authenticate
[20:21] <gmag> geirha, http://codepad.org/A8YEl4eg
[20:21] <mimo> I have an ubuntu latest version and a usb sound card.   when using this sound card the ubuntu freezes and Ineed to restart the machine regularly.... is there a way to send ubuntu developers a log or something so they can fix this?
[20:22] <geirha> Kronuz: Yeah, they look ok, that's just the typical problem I've encountered sharing a binary between different ubuntu releases. Is there a particular error message when it fails?
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> mimo, there is a bug report system.
[20:22] <BluesKaj> ]eph there isn't a new driver module with every kernel upgrade , ther eusually 3 or 4 modules available for a particular kerenel at any one time.
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> !bugs
[20:22] <zykotick9> mimo: are you SURE it's the soundcard causing the issue?  look in to how to file a bug ("/msg ubottu bug" for details).
[20:22] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, ^
[20:23] <mimo> zykotick9: yes pretty sure, only started happening when I started using this, I haven't changed anything else
[20:23] <eph3meral> i'm pretty sure we're still completely misunderstanding each other
[20:23] <eph3meral> we're also using different terms, I'm saying version you're saying module
[20:23] <geirha> gmag: Yeah, myuser should have the same access as any user in the admin group; any particular reason why you don't just add the user to the admin group instead?
[20:23] <eph3meral> again, while they could correlate I don't think they necessarily do
[20:24] <zykotick9> mimo: well, try to file a bug against whatever package (probably the kernel) that supplies that driver.  best of luck.
[20:24] <BluesKaj> eph3meral, but the modules themselves don't upgrade as quickloy as kernels do it seems
[20:25] <bucketm0use> is there any 'easy' way to put yourself in a sandbox before you install some software on Ubuntu?
[20:25] <bucketm0use> I'd like to be able to undo the process rather easily
[20:26] <reallordofall> bye everybody
[20:27] <gmag> geirha, I tried everything and still have no permissions to do a simple "touch file" in /usr/local/bin
[20:28] <geirha> gmag: You mean  sudo touch file  fails?
[20:28] <gmag> geirha, no, I mean touch file
[20:29] <geirha> gmag: Then sudoers can't help
[20:29] <gmag> geirha, I would like to run it without "sudo"
[20:29] <gmag> geirha, I see
[20:29] <gmag> geirha, what can I do?
[20:29] <agrester> wilee-nilee: do I need to install the printer driver first?
[20:29] <LinuxGold> what is the default chown for /var/www ?
[20:29] <bwayne> OK.  My issue was that there was already a chrome-browser process going. Starting firefox worked fine.
[20:29] <geirha> gmag: Then you either have to run it from a root shell, or give your user write access to that directory
[20:30] <genii> LinuxGold: root
[20:31] <LinuxGold> thanks
[20:35] <zwiep`> is it possible to use 2 graphics adapters and 3/4 displays with ubuntu these days? I know I had some issues with it before.
[20:35] <wilee-nilee> agrester, If it were me I would of had those repos open and be fully updated, then installed the brother deb.
[20:36] <gmag> geirha, thanks mate, I changed folder permissions, it is working now.
[20:39] <seanz> Greetings. Does Ubuntu automatically detect if I dynamically change the size of the hard drive that the OS is installed on?
[20:42] <OerHeks> seanz, "dynamically"as in while running ubuntu?
[20:42] <seanz> OerHeks: Either that or on reboot.
[20:43] <seanz> Without having to take any manual steps.
[20:43] <OerHeks> seanz, you cannot change the partitions mounted. if you change them with the live cd or other, yes, it will detect the change.
[20:44] <eusto_> hi, i have a problem with live install
[20:44] <eusto_> i'm using a bootable usb disk to install ubuntu on a machine
[20:44] <eusto_> but somehow grub does not show up at boot
[20:45] <agrester> wilee-nilee: I'm beginning to fear it's a kernel version thing, the kernels have been updated recently, and nothing I can do will make it work!
[20:45] <eusto_> after a successful install, the computer still boots the other OS
[20:45] <eusto_> any ideas?
[20:46] <OerHeks> eusto_, hold shift @ boot to enter grubmenu
[20:46] <eusto_> OerHeks: thanks, I'll try and get back
[20:46] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, yes I understand that the modules don't upgrade as quickly as the kernels
[20:47] <eph3meral> BluesKaj, so that's why I was saying, upgrading the kernel e.g. from 3.8.0-29 to 3.8.0-29 won't guaranteed that nvidia-304 will be upgraded
[20:47] <eph3meral> might be reasonable to suppose so, but I thought they were independent
[20:48] <eph3meral> so all I'm saying is I still don't see how "unlocking" the kernel ensures a module upgrade, esp if 304 is available for all kernels which I would have to suppose it is
[20:48] <Johnny_Linux> eph3meral  you could also uncheck 'search for new  drivers' in startup pps
[20:49] <eph3meral> I mean I saw it build the module with an exact version when I installed with apt-get, I just want to make sure that if I install a kernel upgrade, it will at the very least recompile my nvidia-304 driver module for that new kernel
[20:49] <eph3meral> I seem to recall this is not an automatic thing
[20:49] <eph3meral> but maybe things have changed
[20:49] <eph3meral> Johnny_Linux, hmm, startup what now? how do I get there?
[20:49] <bekks> eph3meral: Thats not possible, since a new kernel might ship a new ABI which breaks the compilation of that module.
[20:50] <eph3meral> bekks, ok then what about at least install any kind of compatible nvidia module when I kernel upgrade?
[20:50] <eph3meral> like if I have nvidia-304 on -27 and -29 breaks nvidia-304 but works on nvidia-310
[20:50] <eph3meral> will it auto install 310?
[20:50] <eph3meral> by it I generally mean apt-get
[20:51] <bekks> eph3meral: I'll personally start a war of rage against the one who decides it would be a good idea to automatically download and install another driver version without asking me.
[20:51] <eph3meral> bekks, because if I'm not mistaken, this is the exact reason I locked my kernel because there's no way to upgrade the kernel in place if it's tied to nvidia drivers
[20:51] <eph3meral> bekks, I never said anything about don't ask me
[20:51] <bekks> eph3meral: I am updating kernels very often, and I never had problems with nvidia.
[20:58] <agrester> Thanks all, have a good day
[21:00] <Johnny_Linux> ati is getting pretty good these days
[21:00] <bekks> Since when, yesterday?
[21:00] <Johnny_Linux> well, the last 4 installs they had ati, and everything went flawlessly and full blown compize rocks
[21:03] <cloneG> hello I am using ubuntu 12.04 gnome 3.4.2 gnome session fallback and I cannot edit desktop menu bars! I found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks that I need to press Alt+right mouse click before the edit menu appears but it does nothing! any idea?
[21:04] <Tex_Nick> cloneG: try SUPER+ALT+Right Click
[21:05] <Tex_Nick> SUPER = Win Key
[21:05] <cloneG> thanks! that worked!
[21:06] <Tex_Nick> ;-) you're welcome
[21:13] <LinuxGol_> ok, houston, i have a problem...  I followed this link for www permissions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1381217
[21:13] <zerick> Anybody knows something similar to Myunity for Ubuntu 13.04 ???
[21:13] <LinuxGol_> When I installed spacebukkit, ran index.php it is unable to write files in that directory
[21:13] <LinuxGol_> as the assigned user
[21:14] <OerHeks> unity-teweak-tool in 13.04
[21:14] <OerHeks> err unity-tweak-tool in 13.04
[21:16] <zerick> thx ! OerHeks
[21:16] <LinuxGold> netsplitting time... :/
[21:17] <zerick> LinuxGold, have you tried chown -R www-data:ww-data /path/dir/
[21:17] <zerick> ?
[21:18] <LinuxGold> that did it...
[21:19] <LinuxGold> hmm...
[21:19] <z0ran> any idea how can i delete network bridge
[21:19] <z0ran> br0
[21:19] <blah123> shut the fuck up bro
[21:19] <blah123> bitches
[21:20] <zerick> ban
[21:20] <IdleOne> !language | blah123
[21:20] <blah123> sorry
[21:20] <blah123> my tourettes kicked in
[21:20] <zerick> ban plz
[21:20] <blah123> my bad
[21:20] <zykotick9> z0ran: is it defined in your /etc/networks/interfaces file?
[21:21] <zykotick9> s/networks/network/ sorry
[21:21] <z0ran> zykotick9, thanks, i did it and when i restart network it still show up after ifconfig command
[21:22] <BruceS> I have had some issues with kernel 3.0.2-053 and so have dropped back to 052 on all my installed systems.  Will this get upgraded to 053 when the automatic unattended upgrades happen or I do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:22] <zykotick9> z0ran: reboot, or ifdown the interface.  personally, i'd suggest the reboot option to "totally" restart networking.
[21:22] <z0ran> zykotick9, thanks a lot
[21:24] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, What release are you running?
[21:26] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I am running 12.04.3 LTS -
[21:27] <alastor__> if I add a PPA for php5, does it also mean that all other php5 packages (like php5-mysql, php5-pgsql and so on) are also included in this ppa?
[21:27] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: installed at approx 1200 locations hence the desire for LTS and minimal support
[21:27] <zykotick9> BruceS: fyi, to get new kernel versions, i'd suggest dist-upgrade myself...
[21:28] <ikonia> alastor__: probably not - it depends on what the PPA maintainer has done, I strongly advise you not to use a PPA fr things like php
[21:28] <alastor__> ikonia: i should have talked to you earlier then.. too late =P
[21:28] <alastor__> thx anyway
[21:28] <zykotick9> ikonia: +1 on discouraging PPAs
[21:28] <basichash> I can't interact with my windows
[21:28] <BruceS> zykotick9: see my comments above about dist-upgrade.  When we connect manually to a system that's what we do, automatically the run the unattended version - this is why I am concerned that that new kernel will arrive
[21:29] <basichash> What's the equivalent of restart explorer.exe in Linux?
[21:29] <rostam> Hi How could I install chrome on my 12.04 LTS?  apt-get install google-chrome return error:  has no installation method.  thx
[21:29] <ikonia> basichash: it doesn't work like that, what's the issue you have
[21:29] <basichash> ikonia: I can't click on my windows/taskbar/any program
[21:29] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Cool, were you not you on last night with a kernel problem? 12.04 in the 12.04.3 is using the raring kernels, not real relevant. From the update manager kernels with upgrade from the cli it is dist-upgrade.
[21:29] <basichash> Can only alt-tab
[21:29] <zykotick9> BruceS: sorry, if you using unattended version, best of luck to you ;)  i'd call that "bad admin work" myself...
[21:29] <ikonia> basichash: that seems concerning, does the mouse actually move ?
[21:30] <basichash> yeah the mouse works ine
[21:30] <basichash> fine*
[21:30] <SwashBuckla> how do I remove a program from ubuntu? In this case it's Eclipse.
[21:30] <ikonia> basichash: does the keyboard still respond ?
[21:30] <basichash> I've got quite a lot of programs running
[21:30] <SwashBuckla> !remove
[21:30] <SwashBuckla> !uninstall
[21:30] <basichash> I'm sure a reboot would do the trick, but then I'd lose all my windows
[21:30] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: that may have been one of my collegues I suppose - since he did leave me a note that backing down to 052 had solved the hang issues
[21:30] <basichash> ikonia: yes the keyboard is working
[21:31] <ikonia> basichash: are the windows actually still active, eg: are they doing stuff in them ?
[21:31] <zykotick9> SwashBuckla: how did you install it?  you might want to see !purge for details (keep in ming, it doesn't remove files in ~)
[21:31] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, The 12.04 releases as they came out went up a kernel set 12.04.2 was the quantal set, you had to itstall that release or run a special upgrade.
[21:31] <basichash> yeah they're all running fine, I just can't interact with them (at least by mouse)
[21:32] <alastor__> i'll try a clean php re-install then. after running sudo apt-get remove php5, phpinfo() still shows stuff as if nothing has happened.. shouldn't it have been removed?
[21:32] <SwashBuckla> zykotick9: apt-get install
[21:32] <basichash> ikonia: OK it's working now. Thanks
[21:33] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I do not understand what you are saying - please explain - these systems started with a downloaded 12.4 and were upgraded over the months with the dist-upgrade and arrived where they are that way
[21:33] <zykotick9> SwashBuckla: then "sudo apt-get purge foo" will remove, with config files, whatever you installed...  have fun.
[21:34] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I also mis-type - they are running kernel 3.2.0-052 now - I previously got the 2.0 as 0,2 - oops
[21:35] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Canonical, due to the long term 5 year release had instituted kernels from later releases to be on the systematic releases of 12.04 with each additional like 12.04.2 and 12.04.3.
[21:35] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Ah, that was why I was curious on the actual release, looked like an earlier than 12.04 is all.
[21:36] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: yes and so the system had upgraded to 3.2.0-053 and they all started hanging - so we have stepped back to 052 and all is clean again - hence my fear that the systems will upgrade themselves
[21:37] <alastor__> after running sudo apt-get remove php5, phpinfo() still shows stuff as if nothing has happened.. and stuff under /etc/php5 is still as before. shouldn't it have been removed?
[21:37] <neol> .
[21:37] <bekks> alastor__: no. because "php5" is the CLI only, not the apache php5 module.
[21:37] <zykotick9> alastor__: if you use remove instead of purge, then config files in /etc stay...
[21:38] <alastor__> zykotick9: i've used purge too, afterwards, same results
[21:38] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Sounds like you have a auto update set or was this from a update manager update?
[21:38] <alastor__> bekks: oh... that makes sense.
[21:38] <alastor__> thx
[21:38] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: so the question becomes: given that we have backed down to -052 will the "unattended-upgrade that runs daily or a manual dist-upgrade re-install -052
[21:38] <BruceS> read 053 for the aboe 052
[21:38] <zykotick9> alastor__: i'm not sure "purge" would work, after the package has been removed...
[21:38] <rostam> Hi How could I install chrome on my 12.04 LTS?  apt-get install google-chrome return error:  has no installation method.  thx
[21:39] <bekks> !chrome
[21:39] <bekks> hmmm.
[21:39] <dougiel> anyone know how to edit grub  to boot OSX installs?
[21:39] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: we do have them set to unattended-upgrade daily and if we are on one for any reason we do a dist-upgrade too
[21:39] <dougiel> grub2
[21:39] <alastor__> bekks: will directory /var/www/ get deleted if I remove apache?
[21:39] <SwashBuckla> zykotick9: when I reinstall it after purge remove, eclipse clearly has previously set configuration info such as Installed Software repos
[21:40] <SwashBuckla> zykotick9: this is a problem as I messed up my configuration. I just want to start fresh as if I'd never installed eclipse
[21:40] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, The dist-upgrade in the cli will upgrade the kernel, I assume the unattended does not.
[21:40] <bekks> alastor__: No. And removing apache willnot remove the apache php5 module.
[21:41] <alastor__> bekks: hmmm.. ok. i'll just remove everything to clean install it again. thx
[21:41] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: on a spare machine I just did a apt-get dist-upgrade and it seems to have not downlaoded a new kernel - at least it did not tell me it did and it is not telling me that a boot is required - any guesses why
[21:41] <zykotick9> SwashBuckla: if there is any eclipse setting in ~, then purge won't do a thing...
[21:42] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, The removal of that kernel yesterday may have not gotten all the configs for it, the user did not seem to really be up on a full purge.
[21:43] <Manaatti> o
[21:43] <alastor__> what happens if we download, say a newer version of a package than what's in the official repo via a PPA, then delete the entry from sources.list and upgrade the package again? does it get downgraded to reflect the official repo?
[21:43] <bekks> alastor__: No.
[21:43] <bekks> !ppa-purge
[21:43] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, That is a bit of a grey area for me as well, so I can't definitively answer is all, as far if there is any upgrade problems again if you purge. ;)
[21:43] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I am sure that he was not - neither would I be - we try to just let the OS do its stuff - his notes say that he did a dpkg purge
[21:44] <alastor__> bekks: ha.. there's a tool fo reverything. thanks for that
[21:44] <zykotick9> alastor__: TRY to avoid PPAs, if you can.
[21:45] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, I gave him this command to use to see all the kernels. dpkg -l | grep linux-image  at times I have seen more than one image on a kernel set to remove.
[21:45] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, I'm not real up on all the parameters of kernels though.
[21:45] <alastor__> zykotick9: it has worked ok for me so far... the ppa is provided by a guy from debian core team i guess.. it just messed up my stuff because i need other stuff that needs to be compiled against a specific php version then it all got weird hehe
[21:46] <bekks> alastor__: thats why you should avoid PPA.
[21:46] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: his notes say and the history shows: apt-get purge linux-image...
[21:46] <zykotick9> bekks: +1
[21:46] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: the -l shows there is only the one
[21:47] <alastor__> bekks: yeah perhaps... not the nicest of things to wait for a new ubuntu version when a new feature you really like has been added to a package.... there's always a tradeoff i guess
[21:47] <bekks> alastor__: when dealing that way with PPA, you should know how to fix things ;)
[21:48] <alastor__> bekks:  you're right.
[21:49] <DiabloBasic> hi all http://MegaStoon.Com/?share=111192
[21:49] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: I also assume that whatever the issue is it will get fixed before 054 so if the system upgrades to that we are OK and if not, thanks to you we know how to go back to 052
[21:53] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, Cool, glad to help.
[21:53] <MikeyD> I just installed ubuntu. how do i get my mouse scroll wheel working?
[21:54] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: so any idea why the dist-upgrade I just did, did NOT bring back 053 - I am pleased that id did not as long as this does not mean that I am missing out on security updates/upgrades
[21:55] <wilee-nilee> BruceS, NOt really years ago I had to purge a kernel, and had the same thing happen. I'm a armchair user really and do not follow the the intricacies a IT person might
[21:57] <Cykey> hi
[21:58] <Cykey> i'm getting all those weird locale errors https://ghostbin.com/paste/ebjym
[21:58] <Cykey> I've tried setting the locale manually & using dpkg-reconfigure but nothing seems to fix it.
[21:59] <BruceS> wilee-nilee: well thanks anyway - you really have been a big help to us and we owe you big - thank you so much
[21:59] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[22:08] <quidnunc> If I add something to cron as a regular user where in /etc does it show up?
[22:08] <bekks> quidnunc: Nowhere, because you do not have the permissions to put things into /etc/.
[22:08] <alastor__> bekks: you've told me a while back that removing apache2 doesn't remove the apache2 php module. But, if an *apache* module has apache as a dependency, shouldn't removing apache cause whatever depends upon it to be removed as well?
[22:08] <quidnunc> bekks: Where does it go?
[22:08] <bekks> quidnunc: It will show up in /var/spool/cron or something.
[22:09] <quidnunc> bekks: I upgraded my system and lost my cron jobs. Should I look there to recover them?
[22:09] <bekks> quidnunc: If you want to, look in /var
[22:14] <quidnunc> bekks: How do I restore the file? It says DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
[22:14] <bekks> quidnunc: Copy the command you want to restore, and create a new cron job "as usual".
[22:14] <quidnunc> :(
[22:15] <cjwelborn> I'd like to upgrade to Ubuntu 13, when I got my laptop 12.10 Secure Remix was the only one that would install (win8 and UEFI problems). Does anyone know if the newer versions can boot the same as 12.10 Secure-Remix?
[22:15] <soman> I need to export text from html file to txt. Does exist any tool for that?
[22:16] <bekks> soman: html2text? :)
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  best answer would be to try them and see. Ive never heard of 'secure-remix' so i imagine its not an officialy supported ubuntu release.
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> !uefi | cjwelborn
[22:16] <soman> bekks: I'll ckeck it out now
[22:16] <zykotick9> soman: the "best" html->txt i've gotten is actually using output from elinks/links2.  best of luck.
[22:17] <cjwelborn> Dr_Willis: it was recommended on the Ubuntu UEFI site at one time. It was on SourceForge or Github I think (not an offical Ubuntu Repo)
[22:17] <cjwelborn> I just don't want to ruin my install and have to start all over I guess.
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  you can do a test install to a usb flash drive if you wanted to.
[22:18] <zykotick9> cjwelborn: non-support-derivative->ubuntu might be difficult...
[22:18] <cjwelborn> Ahh.. I didn't even think of that. That's what I'll do.
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  this is why people tend ot backup their systems. :) so they can restore them
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  you definatly dont want to 'do a release upgrade' from a Non ubuntu variant to a ubuntu  release. that can cause major disasters
[22:18] <cjwelborn> gotcha. i am definitely avoiding that.
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> but from what im reading on the secuer-remixx wiki .  that variant - has minimnal chnages.. Im suporised it worked when then others dident
[22:21] <cjwelborn> I tried a lot of other distros
[22:21] <cjwelborn> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint.... Secure-Remix was the only thing that worked out of the box for some reason
[22:21] <Dr_Willis> they do have 13.04 iso files there.
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> I honestly dont see how it differt from normal ubuntu - except for the addation of like 4 tools.
[22:22] <cjwelborn> awesome, last time I checked they didn't have them. if they do now, it would be a good place to start for me.
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-secure/files/?source=navbar
[22:22] <cjwelborn> the boot-repair was needed. I remember that. It fixed my win8.
[22:22] <zykotick9> cjwelborn: keep in mind *buntu is really, all the same.  Mint is a derivative of ubuntu, as is Secure-Remix (which i've never even heard of)...
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> you can install boot-repair on any live cd. ;) (to ram)
[22:23] <cjwelborn> zykotick9: i know right?... thats what was bugging me. that only secure-remix worked on this machine. other people had luck with the normal versions..
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> secure remixx basially includes 'boot-repair' 'os-uninstaller'  and 'clean ubiquity' which aparently backs up the MBR.
[22:23] <OerHeks> zykotick9, secure remix is the followup of ubuntu-secure-remix.
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> and thats the ONLY changes the site mentions.
[22:24] <cjwelborn> Maybe it was just the boot-repair that saved me. after it worked I didn't do a lot of digging.
[22:24] <zykotick9> cjwelborn: be sure you are using whatever the newest version of ubuntu is...  if it still doesn't work, be a good person and file a bug (though with ubuntu, that's kinda pointless...).
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> i imagine it was boot-repair.
[22:24] <unknown101> Sup
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> hopefully someday  they will include boot-repair on the normal ubuntu cd
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> they really need that , and perhaps some other 'recovery helper' utilities.
[22:25] <cjwelborn> isn't boot-repair discontinued? i could've swore I read that on the ubuntu-dev mailing list.
[22:25] <unknown101> Ubuntu need a lot of fix..
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> cjwelborn:  not that ive heard of.
[22:25] <cjwelborn> ok
[22:25] <zykotick9> OerHeks: is ubuntu-secure-remix a supported canoncial release?  i've never heard of it either...
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> thats the thing about open sourced :) the stuff is hard to kill.  ;)
[22:26] <unknown101> Is there any possible way to update ubuntu to kubuntu without losing my apps and data?
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> zykotick9:  site says its not official. and the site says teh ONLY changes is the inclusion of those 3 apps.
[22:26] <zykotick9> unknown101: sure, install kde ;)
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  just install kubuntu-desktop and you get both on the same install.
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  you then select what desktop to use at the login screen
[22:27] <unknown101> Can anyone give me terminal commants :)
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> I have most all the main desktops on this box for testing
[22:27] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:27] <unknown101> Thanks
[22:27]  * Dr_Willis thinks that command is mentioned on the kubuntu faq/homepage ;)
[22:28] <unknown101> E: I was not able to locate a file for the gtk2-engines-oxygen package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  what ubuntu rease are you using?
[22:28] <unknown101> 13.03
[22:29] <unknown101> 13.04**
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> !info gtk2-engines-oxygen
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> you dont a 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo  apt-get upgrade' recently?
[22:29] <unknown101> nope
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> there you go.
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> do those first. always do a update like once a day
[22:31] <piggazoid> having some skype issues with sound
[22:31] <mernilio> Hi all:-)
[22:31] <piggazoid> does anybody know how to fix this?
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> !skype
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> Id start athte url above piggazoid  and also check askubuntu.com to see if others have had the same issue and how they fixed them
[22:32] <unknown101> Dear dr_willis ... Teach me Master ...
[22:32] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  teach you what?
[22:32] <piggazoid> it's not about installing skype but getting the sound working
[22:32] <unknown101> nothing forget it can you resend me the kubuntu terminal code
[22:33] <unknown101> please ?
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> piggazoid:  and the urls MAY have a trouble shooting guide
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  apt fundamentals... 'sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME'
[22:33] <piggazoid> k will check them out then
[22:33] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  and the package name is the logical 'kubuntu-desktop' in this case
[22:34] <Dr_Willis> apt-cache search SOMEPATTERN           to help you find new packages
[22:34] <picklerat> sick name Murica
[22:34] <mernilio> Being a geek  you dont even like voices. The even lighted has a voice.
[22:34] <unknown101> ok so how i enable it...Excuse me i am new at Linux need to find my self around
[22:35] <quidnunc> How do I install ia32-libs-multiarch? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6103660/
[22:35] <Dr_Willis> unknown101:  we said easrlier.. You install the *-desktop package and the item will appear for you to select in the sessions menu list on the LOGIN screen
[22:35] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[22:35] <unknown101> ok well i am relogging right now
[22:35] <unknown101> brbr
[22:35] <piggazoid> well the issue is that the sound actually works but as soon as i start a game on steam the sound stops working  on skype
[22:36] <piggazoid> kinda like it doesn't wont to share the sound channels for more than one application
[22:36] <picklerat> sick name Murica!
[22:37] <unknown101> Can't find it...
[22:37] <soman> bekks: any similar tool with supporting non-latin characters (utf-8 encoding for example)?
[22:37] <unknown101> Do need to restart the machine?
[22:37] <unknown101> Do i need**
[22:37] <fellayaboy> how can i automatically have screen session when i log into a ssh server
[22:38] <unknown101> !skype
[22:38] <mernilio> I dont know who's in dhate. Dr. Williws and  unknown101 should be banned.
[22:39] <picklerat> Murica: derp
[22:39] <Murica> picklerat: USA USA USA!!! WE ARE THE GREATEST!!
[22:39] <bekks> soman: convert the characters using convmv, then use html2text
[22:39] <fellayaboy> Murica
[22:39] <kostkon> mernilio, ??
[22:39] <picklerat> Murica: shut up
[22:39] <Murica> picklerat: USA USA USA!!! WE ARE THE GREATEST!!
[22:39] <fellayaboy> my fellow Amuricans
[22:39] <picklerat> Murica: you're a douche
[22:39] <Murica> picklerat: USA USA USA!!! WE ARE THE GREATEST!!
[22:39] <mernilio> kostkon: as a pooice officer i can detect druggis from     miles away
[22:40] <kostkon> mernilio, get serious
[22:40] <soman> bekks: I tried  iconv -f ISO_8859-1 -t UTF-8 -o 111.txt 11.txt but unfortunately text is still unreadable in text editors
[22:40] <bekks> soman: Then you chose the wrong character sets.
[22:41] <soman> bekks: hm... strange
[22:42] <mernilio> And thats wh y  im here... Put you arms arond your back. Dont resist! Otheherwose itwill be a naste cop intervettiion..
[22:42] <mernilio> Thinkor brotha Rodney!:-/
[22:43] <Myrtti> are we done here? this is a support channel. If you don't have Ubuntu support issues you need help with, or aren't helping someone, then please kindly keep it to yourself.
[22:43] <kostkon> soman, is it actually iso88591? it could be the windows 123 or even some other. many of them contain the standard ascii charset
[22:43] <unknown101> where are the downloaded packages located?
[22:44] <soman> kostkon: html2text manual tells -ascii         Use plain ASCII for output instead of ISO-8859-1 It means by default it uses iso.... html itself uses utf-8
[22:44] <IdleOne> unknown101: they are in /var/cache/apt
[22:44] <kostkon> soman, hmm
[22:44] <IdleOne> !offtopic | mernilio Murica
[22:45] <m113t> IdleOne, thanks for that! You Learn something new everyday...
[22:46] <m113t> Anyone know of an Evernote client, please?
[22:46] <linuxthefish> is the download name for 64 bit called i386?
[22:46] <Myrtti> no
[22:46] <linuxthefish> no me?
[22:46] <mernilio> Yo  whites thiksa packages if for a nigga to digga,im the  real package geyeee½ ;-)
[22:46] <unknown101> Is there any possible way that someone gave me a terminal download code that is a malicious program?
[22:47] <linuxthefish> i click 64 bit and it downloads ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-i386
[22:47] <m113t> Is your system intel or amd linuxthefish?
[22:47] <kostkon> LinuxGold, definitely not. are yu selecting the amd64 iso?
[22:48] <kostkon> crap
[22:48] <linuxthefish> intel m113t
[22:48] <Myrtti> unknown101: well I suppose yeah it's possible
[22:48] <kostkon> linuxthefish, definitely not. are yu selecting the amd64 iso?
[22:48] <linuxthefish> i also selected 13.04, the download site is broken...
[22:48] <linuxthefish> where is like a proper mirror site i can use with a low tech browser? :/
[22:49] <kostkon> linuxthefish, no worries. here you go:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[22:49] <genii> linuxthefish: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[22:50] <SN3> is it possible to have a smaller install size of a ubuntu server installation. the default config for a server install of ubuntu still uses way too much space
[22:50] <linuxthefish> what's the normal ubuntu called? why does downloading have to be so hard!
[22:50] <linuxthefish> 02:49 < anonymuouss> linuxthefish, the other night i tried to download ubuntu 12.04 64 butt and it was messed up, no joke
[22:50] <TheDrums> !torrents
[22:51] <linuxthefish> no torrents allowed on this network... :/
[22:51] <linuxthefish> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ which one is for ubuntu desktop with unity?
[22:51] <genii> SN3: Perhaps enquire in #ubuntu-server
[22:52] <unknown101> where  i can find ubuntu's source code?
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> linuxthefish, On the ubuntu site are alternative downloads there are torrents there.
[22:53] <linuxthefish> ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-i386 is right now?
[22:53] <linuxthefish> and wilee-nilee
[22:53] <linuxthefish> 02:51 < linuxthefish> no torrents allowed on this network... :/
[22:53] <linuxthefish> stupid IT staff
[22:53] <TheDrums> linuxthefish: http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:54] <linuxthefish> is 13.10 better?
[22:54] <picklerat> Murica: usa suck
[22:54] <Murica> picklerat: USA USA USA!!! WE ARE THE GREATEST!!
[22:54] <IdleOne> Murica: test
[22:54] <Murica> IdleOne: USA USA USA!!! WE ARE THE GREATEST!!
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> linuxthefish, 13.10 is in development, not an official release yet.
[22:55] <linuxthefish> ah, thanks
[22:55] <unknown101> when will release?
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> 10th month
[22:56] <linuxthefish> is Open Office still the best office software?
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> 13.10=10th month backwards
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> !best | LinuxGold
[22:56] <Ari-Yang> [18:54:13] <linuxthefish> is 13.10 better? ---> well it will have kernel 3.11... dynamic power management for AMD gpus
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> linuxthefish, That was for you
[22:56] <linuxthefish> oh :(
[22:56] <LinuxGold> ?
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> LinuxGold, tab mistake.
[22:56] <LinuxGold> argh!
[22:56] <linuxthefish> !best wilee-nilee
[22:56]  * LinuxGold kicks wilee-nilee's tab
[22:57] <wilee-nilee> LinuxGold, With a reponse like that don;t bother ever asking me for help. ;)
[22:58] <unknown101> is it possible to pause downloading kubuntu interface close the machine and continue download another time?
[22:58] <IdleOne> wilee-nilee: Please join #ubuntu-ops for a moment if you have time
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> unknown101, with a torrent yes
[22:59] <TheDrums> unknown101: If your downloading client supports it.
[22:59] <unknown101> I don't use torrents....Seeding....
[22:59] <unknown101> I am downloading it from terminal (Dat face)
[22:59] <ikonia> 3~3~/last unknown101
[23:00] <TheDrums> unknown101: You should lookup wget -c
[23:00] <unknown101> cya
[23:00] <unknown101> exit
[23:02] <linuxthefish> is ubuntu a productive OS?
[23:02] <linuxthefish> Windows makes me feel lazy, and i have a PC so no OSX...
[23:03] <MikeyD> I'm having trouble getting linux headers installed in a virtualbox version of ubuntu. Anyone have a guide I can use?
[23:04] <genii> linuxthefish: I think it all depends on what you want to produce with your computer
[23:05] <TheDrums> MikeyD: Just installing linux-headers-generic isn't what you're lookin' for?
[23:06] <MikeyD> TheDrums: The install is failing. There is an option under AdditionalDrivers too, and that is failing as well. I do have an error log if it helps
[23:08] <MikeyD> TheDrums: http://pastebin.com/sJTtrxWL
[23:10] <TheDrums> MikeyD: Mhmm.  That won't build without headers, so my guess is that's the error in /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox-guest/4.1.12/build/make.log
[23:12] <skinux> Is it wise to try to use Xamarin's Windows version to develop apps while actually using Linux?
[23:13] <MikeyD> TheDrums: here is that log: http://pastebin.com/iYcU6f0v
[23:17] <Killerav10> I NEED HELP!
[23:17] <Killerav10> PLEASE
[23:17] <Killerav10> UBUNTU KILLED ME PLEASE HELP
[23:17] <Killerav10> HELP ME
[23:17] <Killerav10> PLEZ
[23:17] <Killerav10> IS ANYONE THERE
[23:17] <FloodBot1> Killerav10: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:17] <green_geeky_dude> caps caps caps
[23:17] <Killerav10> sorry
[23:18] <green_geeky_dude> ty :)
[23:18] <Killerav10> I need help thou
[23:18] <green_geeky_dude> state your problem - if someone can help they will Killerav10
[23:19] <Killerav10> I got Ubuntu and had it setup in dual boot with windows 7. After trying to update Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu it crashed and stopped working. When I went to reinstall Ubuntu, it just said it was going to delete Ubuntus old files but I beleive it rid of Windows
[23:20] <Killerav10> 7 because there is no dual boot options on startup
[23:21] <Killerav10> This obviously isnt helping :/
[23:21] <MikeyD> TheDrums: looks like I'm part of a fun bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1101867 how do i apply the fix?
[23:24] <TheDrums> MikeyD: And you saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1101867/comments/10 ?  No newer versions in repo?
[23:25] <MikeyD> Looking now...
[23:29] <noideas> Is there a way to rename a symbolic link? Or should I just remove and re-create?
[23:32] <jrib> noideas: mv (like any other file)
[23:33] <noideas> for some reason i didn't think that would work :-/ thanks
[23:33] <MikeyD> how do i delete items from HomeFolder that have delete greyed out?
[23:33] <jrib> MikeyD: pick one file and run "ls -ld /path/to/file".  Then paste the output here
[23:34] <MikeyD> root root 4096
[23:35] <jrib> MikeyD: in the future it's better to paste full output.  But since you've seen already the owner is root, that is probably your issue
[23:35] <ThePendulum> Greetings. I have a laptop running Ubuntu 12.04. For some reason, it can't connect to the WPA/WPA2 Enterprise WAPs we use at school. At home, there are 0 issues (WPA/WPA2 Personal)
[23:35] <ThePendulum> Other devices at school and Windows on that same laptop have no trouble either.
[23:37] <MikeyD> jrib: how do I delete something owned by root then?
[23:37] <jrib> MikeyD: how did you create it?
[23:38] <Obi1> Hello people
[23:38] <MikeyD> jrib: I think through terminal
[23:38] <jrib> MikeyD: perhaps with sudo?
[23:38] <jrib> !sudo | MikeyD
[23:39] <Obi1> is any way i can trace my inernet conection from what server to what server my conection is on Ubuntu 12.04
[23:39] <crocket> I constructed a ubuntuLive usb with casper-rw on an FAT32 partition.
[23:40] <crocket> When I boot on it with casper-rw, the boot time is long, and I can't shut down the machine.
[23:40] <crocket> Without casper-rw, ubuntuLive works well.
[23:40] <crocket> What the hell?
[23:42] <Obi1> for live i Use Bodhi whit enlightment is fast and light
[23:43] <mydog2> hello...
[23:43] <crocket> Obi1, Do you use persistence?
[23:43] <Obi1> no idea what hat is ?????
[23:44] <Obi1> that*
[23:45] <Obi1> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/what-is-persistent-linux/ is that what you talking about Crocket?
[23:45] <linuxthefish> what's the program for laptops with 2 graphics cards?
[23:45] <crocket> Obi1, yes
[23:45] <linuxthefish> i have Nvidia and Intel graphics...
[23:45] <Obi1> no have to use live linux a lot i use linux on my laptop and home
[23:46] <Obi1> I just what o know how to trace from my home were my conection to internet is
[23:47] <Obi1> i`m not that much computer geek
[23:47] <Obi1> I just love Linux
[23:47] <Benkinooby> hi - is it problematic to have an @ in filenames?
[23:48] <Obi1> any way i can trace my inernet conection from what server to what server
[23:49] <Benkinooby> Obi1: "from what server to what server" <- huh?!
[23:49] <Obi1> my location on Yahoo keeps changes on it is own you take a gues  why ......
[23:50] <Obi1> my internet goes from fast to slow ,to freez up
[23:51] <Obi1> i try  Htop but noting or at least i don`t understatand it that well
[23:51] <Benkinooby> Obi1: use iptraf
[23:51] <Dr_Willis> hmmm
[23:52] <Obi1> http://iptraf.seul.org/ is that would work ?
[23:53] <Benkinooby> Obi1: sudo apt-get install iptraf
[23:53] <UserError> How big is lightdm ?
[23:53] <Benkinooby> Obi1: run that ^
[23:53] <UserError> size
[23:53] <Obi1> ok
[23:53] <Benkinooby> !lightdm
[23:53] <UserError> !lightdm
[23:53] <UserError> rofl
[23:54] <UserError> It seems the bot is clueless as well ;)
[23:54] <Benkinooby> Installed-Size: 452
[23:54] <Benkinooby> UserError: apt-cache show lightdm
[23:54] <Benkinooby> Size: 99666
[23:54] <Benkinooby> guess you ned to look up the units in man page or so
[23:55] <UserError> i'm just wondering how large it is as opposed to
[23:55] <Benkinooby> UserError: to?
[23:55] <UserError> slim, openbox, whatever
[23:55] <UserError> basically
[23:56] <UserError> minus Xorg stuff
[23:56] <UserError> what is the install size
[23:56] <Benkinooby> UserError: fluxbox is not a desktop manger
[23:56] <UserError> no i mean if i had those installed
[23:56] <UserError> as an example
[23:56] <Benkinooby> Size: 1113190 Installed-Size: 3905 fluxbox
[23:57] <Benkinooby> UserError: you won't notice it's even installed next to fluxbox
[23:57] <Obi1> Benkinooby vok i did and how you work whit it?
[23:57] <Benkinooby> UserError: and fluxbox is only a window manager
[23:57] <Benkinooby> Obi1: run iptraf
[23:57] <UserError> i know this, i was stating as an example
[23:57] <UserError> if i went from one to the other
[23:57] <UserError> an example install
[23:58] <Benkinooby> UserError: startx < xdm or  slim < lightdm < kdm or gdm
[23:59] <Benkinooby> UserError: but only lightdm kdm and gdm are practically(!) usable
[23:59] <Benkinooby> UserError: you don't want to use anything "below" lightdm
[23:59] <UserError> That is what I assumed :P
[23:59] <Benkinooby> i learnt that the hard way few days ago
[23:59] <UserError> I tried to do slim and...
[23:59] <UserError> welp