[01:12] <Tronic> The Gnome Shell version currently in 13.10 sometimes loses focus when new windows are created.
[01:13] <Tronic> Nothing (neither the old or the new window) gets focused and all keyboard shortcuts (including Logo and Alt+Tab) stop functioning.
[01:13] <Tronic> This seems random, focus is not always lost, only very often.
[01:13] <Tronic> A mouse click is required to focus some window, to restore keyboard functionality.
[01:59] <Tronic> Additionally, screen lock now seems to switch off HDMI signal (with Nvidia drivers), causing music playback to stop. I'm not sure when this started but it must've been quite recently.
[02:01] <Tronic> I suppose that this is some cool new power saving feature but since I use HDMI to listen to music at night, it doesn't quite work as intended.
[04:22] <pepee> great, I just broke my system, kind of...
[04:23] <pepee> radeon.ko won't load, unless I run  insmod radeon.ko  manually  :/
[04:24] <pepee> I wanted to patch it, so I rebuilt the whole kernel package. well, it worked, but I got yet more problems
[04:48] <m113t> Hi there - I have an issue where the boot loading screen is in text and no longer has graphics?
[05:10] <pepee> a .ko file was copied to two different folders under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/   ...  ;_;
[05:44] <roberth1990> hello
[05:44] <roberth1990> when I try to boot *ubuntu 13.10 install medium on my comp, I always just get into busybox...
[05:45] <roberth1990> its an uefi system
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> !uefi
[05:45] <wilee-nilee> not sure if you have seen this wiki
[05:46] <roberth1990> havent seen it, but all that which is said there is taken care of
[05:47] <roberth1990> I installed *ubuntu 13.04 without any problem on the system
[05:50] <wilee-nilee> roberth1990, You checked the sum of the iso, there are dailies, I would try them as they come out you can zsync them.
[05:52] <roberth1990> md5sum is correct
[05:53] <roberth1990> tried rewriting to the usb stick over and over again, using different methods, cleaning the partition table
[06:10] <roberth1990> well
[06:11] <roberth1990> still the same result after reseting partition table on the usb drive I am using
[06:11] <roberth1990> but...
[06:11] <roberth1990> now I notice some graphical corruption over the black screen before going into busybox
[06:11] <roberth1990> and the prompt in busybox is (initramfs)
[06:42] <roberth1990> arghhh
[06:45] <roberth1990> is there any images of 13.10 where there is only the core system of ubuntu and textbased installer?
[06:47] <yofel> the server image uses d-i (and the mini.iso - i.e. netinst)
[06:49] <roberth1990> d-i?
[06:55] <yofel> debian-installer (i.e. the text UI)
[06:56] <roberth1990> ah k
[06:56] <roberth1990> trying it now... brb...
[07:25] <IamTrying> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/  - I have this problem with kernel 3.11.x
[07:26] <IamTrying> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ - My Logitech camera C920 is a security camera runs for 24/7, Why Ubuntu disconnect the camera automatically ? and system crash
[07:30] <IamTrying> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams - Where is Ubuntu 13.x 100% stable usb camera lists?
[07:30] <IamTrying> This is very annoying with Ubuntu i have not a single camera in USB getting stable , causing crash of my system.
[07:31] <IamTrying> Ubuntu should at-least recommend one camera for UBuntu 13.x which really works 24/7  projects. Not like just capture once and assume it works for long run.
[07:32] <IamTrying> Logitech C920 was good camera, but its never working for 24/7 capturing project with Ubuntu 13.x
[09:14] <electricprism> How do I add a resolution to unity-system-compistor?
[09:15] <electricprism> does mir have a config file i need to edit or do i need to issue a command?
[09:16] <electricprism> It only detects up to 1024x768 and I need 1280x1024
[09:24] <electricprism> no one :(
[11:05] <IamTrying> When a camera is available.
[11:05] <bekks> hmm?
[11:05] <IamTrying> Is it friendly for UBuntu to read the capture and disconnect the capture or is it more friendly for UBuntu to capture on boot and stop capture when power off?
[11:06] <IamTrying> I bought 30 USB cameras from different vendors, to test Ubuntu 13.x which one he fails and why.
[11:06] <penguin42> IamTrying: Wow nice!
[11:06] <IamTrying> Can anyone please advise what is Ubuntu friendly approach ?
[11:06] <penguin42> IamTrying: What do you mean by 'Ubuntu friendly approach'
[11:07] <IamTrying> penguin42, I want to make this version stable, getting very upset 2 year it failed. Now that we have kernel 3.11 it has to be stable
[11:07] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, but I don't understand really what question you're asking
[11:07] <IamTrying> penguin42, I had one USB camera C920 it was crashing the Ubuntu. Where i was capturing the camera and disconnecting it as loop
[11:07] <bekks> Capturing should be started the the application starts it, and should be stopped when the application stops it. Capturing and connection are different things.
[11:08] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, when you say it crashes, does the whole machine crash or just the capture program?
[11:08] <IamTrying> penguin42, Whole system crash like black screen with wite texts
[11:08] <IamTrying> penguin42, i figure out it was xhbc issue
[11:08] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, that sounds like a kernel panic
[11:08] <bekks> Which texts?
[11:08] <penguin42> IamTrying: Have you got a photograph of the white text?
[11:09]  * penguin42 would suggest using one of your cameras....
[11:09] <IamTrying> bekks, its like xhbc flooding issue mentioned in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1207612
[11:09] <IamTrying> penguin42, YES in camera i will share you
[11:09] <bekks> Thats not a crash at all.
[11:09] <bekks> And there is a fix, too.
[11:10] <IamTrying> bekks, That is a biggesttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt annnoying crash ever i had. and it drops my remote SSH access its horriable
[11:10] <bekks> It is not a crash.
[11:10] <penguin42> hang on
[11:10] <bekks> It is a simple bug, with a fix released.
[11:10] <IamTrying> bekks, that fix is in kernel 3.11 but then camera is suspended which is not solving my issue
[11:10] <penguin42> IamTrying: That bug you refer to is not the same as whatever is causing the crash
[11:11] <IamTrying> penguin42, indeed that is the cause causing the crash. Since i moved to kernel 3.11 system is stable
[11:11] <IamTrying> penguin42, but with kernel 3.11 i do not have then camera available lsusb
[11:11] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, so on 3.11 what problems do you have ?
[11:11] <bekks> Unless you show us a picture of the "white text", we cant confirm it was the cause of your crash.
[11:11] <IamTrying> penguin42, When that bug occure kernel suspend the lsusb all devices
[11:11] <bekks> The bug does not report a crash at all.
[11:11] <penguin42> IamTrying: Ah ok, so forget about old problems now - lets just think of things on 3.11
[11:11] <IamTrying> penguin42, in new kernel what it does is it suspend or disconnect all usb devices
[11:12] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, I don't quite understand what you mean by that; if you power the machine on from cold with the camera attached does it work?
[11:12] <IamTrying> bekks, that does crash all my ubuntu 12.x with latest kernel since i moved to 13.x and kernel 3.11 system is not crashing but i have no usb devices
[11:13] <IamTrying> penguin42, yes once it works and after a while when i am capturing camera, then usb device get disconnected
[11:13] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, if that happens can you capture the dmesg of it after it's stopped working?
[11:13] <IamTrying> penguin42, with new kernel the system is not crashing but xhbc problem when occure kernel suspend/disconnect all usb controllers as a result i do not have any usb
[11:14] <IamTrying> penguin42, I have it too, i will share 1) screenshot and 2) that dmesg log
[11:14] <penguin42> IamTrying: Also, are these plugged directly into your PC or do you have any USB hubs?
[11:15] <IamTrying> penguin42, Directly plugged in so that on shutdown i can power cycle the USB devices not with external USB hubs
[11:15] <penguin42> ok good, most USB hubs suck
[11:15] <IamTrying> penguin42, i used external usb hubs too, to power them even the system was shutdown or software rebooted
[11:15] <IamTrying> penguin42, YES usb hubs are not best, cause they externally powering the device
[11:16] <penguin42> IamTrying: Well it's ok when they DO externally power the device, but most of them have awful power supplies
[11:16] <IamTrying> penguin42, it did not worked for me with external usb power hubs it sucks was worst
[11:16] <IamTrying> penguin42, so now all connected to mother-board usb controllers straight
[11:17] <IamTrying> penguin42, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/
[11:17] <penguin42> IamTrying: Right, although for example I know on my PC that if I have stuff connected to both USB sockets at the front it can't supply power for both at the same time
[11:18] <penguin42> IamTrying: And that's on 3.11 ?
[11:20] <IamTrying> penguin42, 1) http://imgur.com/a/7SC7r#0  2) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/
[11:22] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, 1 is a kernel oops - I guess that happened as you hot-plugged a camera? If you can trigger that on 3.11 please report it, it's separate to any other bug
[11:22] <IamTrying> Summary: 0) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1207612 1) the crash: http://imgur.com/a/7SC7r#0   2) kernel 3.11 usb is disconnected because xhbc is flooding was detected by kernel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/
[11:22] <IamTrying> penguin42, its happening on kernel 3.11x
[11:22] <IamTrying> penguin42, the usb device is connected forever 24/7
[11:22] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, please file a bug for that and tell me the bug number
[11:23] <IamTrying> OK - penguin42
[11:23] <penguin42> IamTrying: I'm not sure that the stream of xhci errors you're seeing is the same as the bug 1207612 - the text of the message is certainly different
[11:24] <IamTrying> penguin42, in new kernel its different in old kernel it was straight to that crash screens
[11:24] <IamTrying> penguin42, new kernel protects from being happening the crash screen shot
[11:24] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, as I say, just stick with new kernel
[11:24] <bekks> That IS NO crash.
[11:24] <penguin42> bekks: The picture is an oops, it is a crash
[11:24] <bekks> Thats not a crash. Thats an oops.
[11:24] <IamTrying> bekks, that is a YES crash. Cause when it happens, i remotely do not have SSH access
[11:24] <penguin42> bekks: OK, split hairs
[11:25] <IamTrying> bekks, i have serious experience and it was regular happening like i can simulate that re-create it
[11:25] <penguin42> bekks: Some oops's bring the system down and some don't, for him it has
[11:26] <bekks> koopses do not bring a system down, since they are isolated from the "rest" of the infrastructure. Thats why they are oopses and not panics.
[11:26] <penguin42> bekks: Either way, that oops shouldn't happen, it's a bug and needs fixing
[11:26] <bekks> Yeah, thats correct. But thats still no crash ;)
[11:27] <penguin42> IamTrying: Anyway, your other errors, again, report them - but keep it as simple as possible; just poot with that webcam installed, be as simple as possible and do an   ubuntu-bug linux
[11:27] <IamTrying> bekks, the reason i believe its a CRASH, therefore today i bought USB 30 camera's with random brands. And i want to pin point what exactly happening doing random loop testing with random camera's now. I will report a full bug
[11:27] <IamTrying> penguin42, OK
[11:28] <bekks> One cammera would be sufficient.
[11:28] <bekks> -m
[11:28] <penguin42> bekks: Well, multiple cameras are good to find which issues are camera specific
[11:28] <penguin42> IamTrying: Does your machine have any USB2 ports?
[11:29] <IamTrying> well in that case its Logitech C920 usb camera which is the main culprit of my system down. The rest i have seems to be less issues by now. Being testing since yesterday evening, haven't slept 2 days, its a nightmare issue for me.
[11:29] <IamTrying> penguin42, YES USB 2 controllers it has but that did not solved
[11:29] <IamTrying> penguin42, Its something with Driver vs Kernel compatible
[11:29] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, I'm interested in if the errors are the same on the USB2, because xhci is purely for USB3
[11:29] <bekks> Then its another issue, since usb2 doesnt even use xhci at all.
[11:30] <penguin42> IamTrying: If the message is the same but just changes to ehci then it's probably the same issue
[11:31] <IamTrying> OK - i am testing i will report a simple bug report to do a follow up. Thank you penguin42 bekks
[12:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:21] <slick0_> OMG!
[13:59] <BluesKaj> hey FernandoMiguel
[13:59] <FernandoMiguel> hey hey BluesKaj
[14:07] <slick0_> nice nick name
[14:09] <FernandoMiguel> slick0_: which one?
[14:46] <brainwash_> already the 3rd time that X is messed up after unlocking the screen, did anyone else notice anything strange with i3lock in saucy?
[14:48] <brainwash_> dpms is disabled, so is screen blanking
[14:48] <BluesKaj> brainwash_, Unity?
[14:48] <brainwash_> no, custom setup
[14:49] <brainwash_> just curious if anyone else using i3lock can confirm this behavior
[14:51] <ikonia> brainwash_: out of interest, how are you disabling dpms
[14:52] <brainwash_> xset -dpms
[14:52] <brainwash_> so it's basically only i3lock locking the screen, nothing else
[14:53] <brainwash_> yes, I have to admit, that I'll have to some more testing
[14:53] <ikonia> brainwash_: if you have time and don't mind a test, try setting it in xorg.conf, it used to have an impact in how xscreensaver used to take control / or not, I'm wondering if it still has an impact or the same hook
[14:53] <ikonia> brainwash_: I don't think it will make a difference though
[14:54] <brainwash_> creating a xorg.conf will disable kms :/
[14:55] <brainwash_> and it shouldn't make a difference
[14:56] <brainwash_> just wondering about how a simple screen locker like i3lock can mess up X
[14:56] <ikonia> I don't disagree, I was just curious, if you had time to test
[14:56] <brainwash_> visually mess up I mean
[14:57] <brainwash_> black partial flickering screen
[14:58] <brainwash_> going to check the remaining log files
[15:20] <bhavesh> How do I install MATE on Ubuntu 13.10?  Should I use raring repos provided on MATE's download page?
[15:20] <bhavesh> http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
[15:20] <ikonia> you really shouldn't be using mate at all
[15:21] <ikonia> and as it's not provided by ubuntu, you'd need to use a 3rd party repo that was built for saucy
[15:21] <ikonia> which I doubt exists at this time
[15:32] <penguin42> ikonia: Why shouldn't they use it, it works very well
[15:33] <ikonia> penguin42: 1.) it's not provided by ubuntu and you're on a development release 2.) it's built on a dead codebase that applications are moving away from so breakage/security positions are getting weaker
[15:33] <penguin42> (admittedly not tried it on Saucy, but the Mate guys are pretty good)
[15:33] <penguin42> ikonia: That's no different from any PPA that they might use
[15:33] <ikonia> penguin42: no it's not
[15:34] <ikonia> penguin42: saucy is unstable - so PPA's are not being built against a moving target
[15:34] <penguin42> shrug
[15:57] <Daekdroom> Mate has been slowly making its transition away from GNOME 2 components.
[15:58] <Daekdroom> Should eventually even use GTK3
[16:02] <ali1234> xfce too
[16:17] <ali1234> is there a way to put multiple isos on a USB hard drive with a boot menu?
[16:18] <ali1234> preferably in such a way that i can just copy new isos on to it and they show up automatically
[16:18] <penguin42> ali1234: I think I've heard of things that do it, but it depends a bit on how the isos are structurd
[16:18] <ali1234> ubuntu isos
[16:18] <FernandoMiguel> any idea on how to edit/add stuff to nautilus bookmarks?
[16:19] <FernandoMiguel> that has stop a few versions ago :(
[16:19] <bazhang> look into using grub2 for that
[16:19] <ali1234> FernandoMiguel: ~/.gtkbookmarks
[16:19] <FernandoMiguel> thanks ali1234
[16:19] <ali1234> gtk-bookmarks actually
[16:19] <FernandoMiguel> right
[16:20] <ali1234> lines like: file:///home/al/Pictures
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> I am all for CLI, but what ever happened to GUI for it?
[16:21] <ali1234> heh, i'm in u+1, i didn't notice
[16:21] <ali1234> FernandoMiguel: i think the keyboard shortcut in nautilus to add bookmark still works, even though they removed the menu
[16:21] <ali1234> ctrl-b or something
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[16:21] <ali1234> but it's gnome, you know they're on a mission to remove all features
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> ali1234: im using +1 too :p
[16:21] <FernandoMiguel> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[16:22] <ali1234> so the reason i want multiple isos on one disk with a menu is so i can quickly switch between different builds of ubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-gnome, to test bugs
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> ali1234: dude grub boot iso
[16:23] <ali1234> but with grub i have to make a menu entry
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> ali1234: shortcut doesn't work
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> well, it does
[16:23] <FernandoMiguel> but I can only have *3* item
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> ali1234: no no no... use grms
[16:24] <ali1234> oh the number of items is patched in gtk
[16:24] <ali1234> you have to rebuild it
[16:24] <ali1234> ubuntu used to patch it from 3 to 10 in gnome-panel
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> *grml
[16:24] <FernandoMiguel> http://askubuntu.com/questions/141940/how-to-boot-live-iso-images
[16:25] <FernandoMiguel> just leave the ISOs there, and be done
[16:25] <FernandoMiguel> automaticly  added to grub on boot
[16:25] <ali1234> which answer?
[16:26] <FernandoMiguel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#grml-rescueboot
[16:26] <FernandoMiguel> here is better
[16:26] <FernandoMiguel> I have in there usually a recent nightly and last (old) stable release
[16:26] <penguin42> ali1234: I tend to use VMs for trying different varieties, but not that good for where you need the GL stuff to work well
[16:27] <ali1234> making loads of VMs is time consuming
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: with this, you are a reboot away
[16:27] <ali1234> FernandoMiguel: that does look good
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> yep
[16:27] <FernandoMiguel> been using it since last cycle
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> before that, I used to add the iso my self to grub entry, till it broke early last cycle... then found this
[16:28] <FernandoMiguel> zero maintenance . just drop an ISO and let grup-update do it's thing
[16:29] <FernandoMiguel> still. no solution for my bookmark issue :(
[18:15] <TheDrums> So, if a preference is set in a driver, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is still used to override it in Mir/XMir, right?
[18:17] <penguin42> TheDrums: You can also put stuff into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[18:18] <TheDrums> Mhmm, idea is that Mir doesn't change where it look or something, though.  (I mean, it's still xorg under the hood.)
[18:23] <ikonia> TheDrums: I'd be dissapointed if it did change things
[18:45] <TheDrums> ikonia: Indeed, but wouldn't greatly surprise me.
[18:51] <Daekdroom> TheDrums, it's not "xorg under the hood"
[18:51] <Daekdroom> The point of the whole thing is to eventually ditch xorg
[18:52] <TheDrums> Sure, but right now XMir is still just a compatibility layer that runs xorg.
[20:24] <Gamer1990> hello
[20:25] <Gamer1990> i want to know how to upgrade to lubuntu 13.10 or 14.04
[20:25] <Gamer1990> through the terminal
[20:25] <penguin42> Gamer1990: do-release-update -d   I think
[20:25] <bekks> To 14.04, you cant, until now.
[20:26] <Gamer1990> not working
[20:26] <Gamer1990> i'm running as root
[20:26] <bekks> "not working" is a very precise description :)
[20:27] <Gamer1990> i tried "do-release-update -d" and it returned "do-release-update: command not found"
[20:28] <bekks> Then you do not have it installed.
[20:28] <penguin42> ah sorry
[20:28] <penguin42> Gamer1990: do-release-upgrade -d
[20:28] <penguin42> note upgrade not update
[20:34] <ikonia> if you're struggling at this leve, maybe not moving to a development version would be wise
[20:42] <Gamer1990> is kernel 4 released yet?
[20:44] <ikonia> what ????
[20:44] <Gamer1990> i have kernel 3.8
[20:45] <ikonia> yeah ?
[20:45] <Gamer1990> is kernel 4.0 available ?
[20:45] <ikonia> why do you even care
[20:45] <Gamer1990> i want the lastest
[20:45] <ikonia> what has this got to do with ubuntu ?
[20:45] <ikonia> Gamer1990: you hve no idea what you are saying
[20:45] <ikonia> this is silly
[20:45] <Gamer1990> i'm upgrading to 13.10
[20:45] <ikonia> yes, I advise you very strongly not to
[20:45] <Gamer1990> why?
[20:45] <BluesKaj> Gamer1990, the latest kernel on 13.10 is 3.11.0-7-generic
[20:46] <ikonia> because you seem to have no idea what you are doing, which means using an unstable development release will end up causing you a lot of problems
[20:46] <Gamer1990> is there a pae version?
[20:46] <ikonia> why would you not use 64bit ?
[20:46] <Gamer1990> i am
[20:46] <ikonia> then why do you want PAE ?
[20:47] <ikonia> if you are using 64bit
[20:47] <Gamer1990> isn't pae for 32/64 bit?
[20:47] <ikonia> Gamer1990: ok - this is unwise for you to upgrade
[20:47] <penguin42> PAE is for more ram on 32bit system
[20:47] <Gamer1990> okay
[20:47] <ikonia> you are looking for non-existant software to chase version numbers,
[20:47] <Gamer1990> my mistake
[20:48] <Gamer1990> i'm trying to learn how to use unstable dev builds so i can learn from any mistakes i may run into.
[20:48] <BluesKaj> ikonia, we can help if he has problems
[20:48] <Gamer1990> that's nice :)
[20:48] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I would suggest you can't looking at the issues already arising
[20:48] <ikonia> Gamer1990: learning would be much wiser on a stable platform
[20:49] <Gamer1990> i am already installing it just fine so far
[20:49] <ikonia> Gamer1990: you can expand your knowledge with confidence that the software will work and it's not your problem, on this it could be your problem, it could be software problems
[20:49] <ikonia> Gamer1990: you've managed to mess up the install commands before you even started, it's not really a challange to type 1 command, so I'd hardly say "it's fine"
[20:50] <Gamer1990> i want to know what the latest version of my nvidia driver/kernel is
[20:50] <Gamer1990> i am running 313
[20:50] <ikonia> you don't need to know that at this time
[20:50] <BluesKaj> one learns by solving problems , a stable release doesn't have many
[20:50] <ikonia> BluesKaj: a certain level of experience is required sadly
[20:50] <ikonia> and you can learn just fine on a stable system
[20:51] <Gamer1990> ikonia no species 8472
[20:51] <ikonia> sorry, not interested in random offtopic statements
[20:52]  * BluesKaj believes in "letting ppl get their feet wet"
[20:52] <Gamer1990> my bad
[20:52] <Gamer1990> thats awesome BluesKaj
[20:52] <BluesKaj> not bad , it's just a mistake
[20:54] <Gamer1990> is 14.04 out yet?
[20:54] <ikonia> good god
[20:54] <BluesKaj> no
[20:54] <Gamer1990> just wondering.
[20:54] <Gamer1990> feel free to ignore me ikonia
[20:54] <BluesKaj> 14.04 stands for the yr and month of the release
[20:54] <Gamer1990> oh
[20:54] <ikonia> Gamer1990: maybe worth checking the /topic of the channel
[20:55] <Gamer1990> april 2014
[20:55] <ikonia> (the links can be quite useful)
[20:55] <Gamer1990> okay
[20:55] <Gamer1990> october 2013 = 13.10 stable?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> Gamer1990, quite so far .also depends which desktop you use
[20:57] <Gamer1990> lubuntu 64
[20:57] <Gamer1990> is 13.10 an alpha?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> it's beta1 atm
[20:58] <ikonia> Gamer1990: READ the links
[20:58] <ikonia> get a basic understanding of the platform you are installing
[20:58] <Gamer1990> what is the current alpha?
[20:58] <penguin42> Gamer1990: That's not how it works
[20:58] <ikonia> it's in the links in the topic
[20:59] <penguin42> Gamer1990: There's a set of released versions and the 'next' version; the next version works it's way through alpha/beta/release and then they start on the next one
[21:00] <Gamer1990> as i was saying i am running lubuntu amd64 desktop
[21:02] <Gamer1990> thank god chromium is replaced by firefox
[21:02] <Gamer1990> chromium blows goats
[21:22] <Gamer1990> how do i install kernel "3.11.0-7-generic"
[21:24] <Gamer1990> i'm having some issues
[21:24] <Gamer1990> i can't open synaptic
[21:24] <ikonia> Gamer1990: it should install the current kernel as part of the upgrade
[21:25] <ikonia> what kernel has it installed ?
[21:25] <Gamer1990> i screwed it up
[21:25] <ikonia> how
[21:26] <ikonia> it's one command
[21:26] <Gamer1990> i accidentally closed the update in the middle of rc5
[21:26] <ikonia> thats a silly mistake
[21:26] <Gamer1990> yeah'
[21:26] <ikonia> Gamer1990: so what i'd suggest to do, is now just do a clean 13.10 install
[21:27] <Gamer1990> okay hold on
[21:27] <ikonia> that way it removes the problem of the upgrade
[21:27] <Gamer1990> i'll have to choose what linux i want
[21:27] <ikonia> again, I strongly advise you pick a stable build
[21:28] <Gamer1990> okay
[21:28] <ikonia> it is of course up to you though
[21:28] <Gamer1990> what is the purpose of lubuntu anyway?
[21:28] <Gamer1990> could i use kubuntu?
[21:28] <ikonia> kubuntu 13.04 ?
[21:29] <Gamer1990> yeah?
[21:29] <ikonia> yes, kubuntu.com has the install media and #kubuntu is the support channel for kubuntu 13.04
[21:30] <Gamer1990> is kde any better than what i'm running?
[21:30] <ikonia> that's personal opinion, you use the desktop that you like
[21:31] <Gamer1990> if i am running Lubuntu , i am running LXDE
[21:31] <ikonia> some will like it more, others less
[21:31] <ikonia> that's right yes
[21:31] <Gamer1990> is xubuntu lighter on resources?
[21:31] <Gamer1990> than lubuntu?
[21:32] <ikonia> lubuntu is a little lighter on paper
[21:32] <Gamer1990> paper?
[21:32] <ikonia> the official specifications
[21:32] <Gamer1990> i want real-world performance
[21:32] <ikonia> Gamer1990: what is your cpu/ram ?
[21:33] <Gamer1990> intel core i3 4gb ddr3
[21:33] <Gamer1990> nvidia 9500gt
[21:33] <ikonia> Gamer1990: that will run any ubuntu version with ease
[21:34] <Gamer1990> i like the simple desktop style
[21:34] <Gamer1990> i don't like unity
[21:34] <ikonia> ok, then use what you like
[22:56] <IamTrying> penguin42, the problem is solved. 1) when i was capturing video after some time 2) i was doing ps aux | awk '/mypython/ ... | xargs kill -9; 3) instantly when i re-capture the video then it fails 4) after using kill -SIGHUP mypython resolved it 5) that means the drivers are stable + my 30 USB cameras are stable , only the issue was the way i was capturing and turning off
[22:57] <IamTrying> WORKS/STABLE - Tested with Ubuntu 12.xx and Ubuntu 13.xx from kernel 3.2 to 3.11
[22:57] <penguin42> IamTrying: That oops you saw was a real oops though, that shouldn't happen
[22:57] <penguin42> IamTrying: So you're running all 30 cameras at once?
[22:58] <IamTrying> penguin42, YES - and all works now, it was a issue `kill -SIGHIP` vs `kill -9`
[22:59] <penguin42> heck 30 cameras at once is impressive - wth are you doing with them?
[22:59] <IamTrying> penguin42, i have done each camera with 5000 loop of capture/de-capture + with other PC's for 24 hour long term capture all was success. Only that happens when i used kill -9
[23:00] <IamTrying> penguin42, I am making a traffic room, wall.
[23:00] <penguin42> a what?
[23:01] <IamTrying> penguin42, parking, street traffic, monitoring traffic for security
[23:01] <IamTrying> Thank you for your support penguin42 , very appreciating.
[23:01] <IamTrying> have a nice weekend
[23:01] <penguin42> IamTrying: Hmm ok, I'm not sure I'd have used usb for that!
[23:02] <IamTrying> penguin42, yes i needed to for low cost solution. Where USB cameras are OK for this Federal Police Antwerpen (Belgium).
[23:03] <penguin42> IamTrying: OK, well I guess I would have used network ones, a lot easier and not that expensive these days
[23:04] <IamTrying> penguin42, I know but i used cat /dev/video | nc  which doing the same as network ones.
[23:04] <genii> Cable length restrictions on USB signals make me think this is not a very effective solution, unless all the cameras are less than about 8 feet from every computer
[23:05] <IamTrying> genii, i have Federal Police Antwerpen - backbone network access. So my cat /dev/videoX | nc works with low latency + stable jitter
[23:05] <penguin42> well you can get usb extenders, but it's all a bit touchy and machines with a lot of USB devices tend to get weird, although I have seen 40+ port USB hubs
[23:06] <IamTrying> OK - no worries now, i have found the root cause of my problem and it works now great. penguin42
[23:06] <IamTrying> penguin42, So FYI, Logitech C920 is working - like many other users informed it does not work (which is not true)
[23:09] <penguin42> IamTrying: That bug you pointed to was quite old, and with USB there are a lot of weird things, like dependencies on controllers/hubs etc
[23:17] <IamTrying> YES - penguin42 you are right. I have tested and found that 1) USB-3 is buggy still when a mother board has USB 3 interface its a hell 2) i have few spare parts which only have USB 2 interface and no USB 3 interface there i had ZERO issues
[23:18] <IamTrying> if mother board has = USB 3  (special issues will arrive) , if mother board has no = USB 3 (then its normal will not expect problems)
[23:19] <penguin42> IamTrying: On some systems I think you can also remove the usb-3 module and it might fall back, worth a go
[23:20] <IamTrying> YES -  penguin42 i compiled the Ubuntu kernel without USB -3 as module and blacklisted the usb3 and it was working then smoothly but when i used default Ubuntu way of release then it cause troubles with USB 3
[23:20] <IamTrying> penguin42, Ubuntu should make the USB3 and USB2 moduler so that some one can blacklist the usb3
[23:22] <penguin42> IamTrying: It already is
[23:23] <IamTrying> penguin42, in the default Ubuntu installation you can split the USB controllers yet unless you compile the kernel, if you use black list it does not listen.
[23:23] <IamTrying> s/you can/you cant
[23:24] <penguin42> I think you're using the blacklist wrong, or getting hit by it loading it during boot, I'm fairly sure you can fix that without recompilation
[23:24] <IamTrying> penguin42, this does not happen in Ubuntu 12.x / 13.x http://www.pcl-developers.org/xhci-hcd-I-hate-you-USB-3-0-and-Primesense-Asus-Xtion-td5707949.html
[23:25] <IamTrying> penguin42, http://www.pcl-developers.org/xhci-hcd-I-hate-you-USB-3-0-and-Primesense-Asus-Xtion-td5707949.html  - black list did not worked for me,  then i compiled the kernel to by force not use USB 3 even usb controllers are there `lspci`
[23:26] <penguin42> hmm, yes EHCI is built in these days
[23:27] <penguin42> IamTrying: I guess since pretty much everything uses it there was no point modularising
[23:28] <penguin42> IamTrying: I suspect but don't know that you might be able to disable it with a boot parameter or poking in /sys/bus/usb/drivers
[23:31] <IamTrying> penguin42,  i have tried several way to avoid using new kernel as compiled to just have moduler for xhci and ehci - but i failed, unless i make my hands dirty by compiling a kernel. I will try /sys/bus/usb/drivers see if i can keep the default Ubuntu as it is and just ignore xhci completely cause that is the main culprit for all this issue.
[23:37] <dazza5000> I'm trying out mir on 13.10 beta, but it is rendering the screen with horizontal black lines dispersed throughout the correct desktop. Does anyone have any ideas on things I could do to fix/troubleshoot this?
[23:38] <penguin42> no, but it's probably relevant to state the graphics card
[23:38] <dazza5000> lspci | grep -i vga
[23:38] <dazza5000> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Barts XT [Radeon HD 6870]