| Tronic | The Gnome Shell version currently in 13.10 sometimes loses focus when new windows are created. | 01:12 |
|---|---|---|
| Tronic | Nothing (neither the old or the new window) gets focused and all keyboard shortcuts (including Logo and Alt+Tab) stop functioning. | 01:13 |
| Tronic | This seems random, focus is not always lost, only very often. | 01:13 |
| Tronic | A mouse click is required to focus some window, to restore keyboard functionality. | 01:13 |
| Tronic | Additionally, screen lock now seems to switch off HDMI signal (with Nvidia drivers), causing music playback to stop. I'm not sure when this started but it must've been quite recently. | 01:59 |
| Tronic | I suppose that this is some cool new power saving feature but since I use HDMI to listen to music at night, it doesn't quite work as intended. | 02:01 |
| pepee | great, I just broke my system, kind of... | 04:22 |
| pepee | radeon.ko won't load, unless I run insmod radeon.ko manually :/ | 04:23 |
| pepee | I wanted to patch it, so I rebuilt the whole kernel package. well, it worked, but I got yet more problems | 04:24 |
| m113t | Hi there - I have an issue where the boot loading screen is in text and no longer has graphics? | 04:48 |
| pepee | a .ko file was copied to two different folders under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ ... ;_; | 05:10 |
| roberth1990 | hello | 05:44 |
| roberth1990 | when I try to boot *ubuntu 13.10 install medium on my comp, I always just get into busybox... | 05:44 |
| roberth1990 | its an uefi system | 05:45 |
| wilee-nilee | !uefi | 05:45 |
| ubottu | UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 05:45 |
| wilee-nilee | not sure if you have seen this wiki | 05:45 |
| roberth1990 | havent seen it, but all that which is said there is taken care of | 05:46 |
| roberth1990 | I installed *ubuntu 13.04 without any problem on the system | 05:47 |
| wilee-nilee | roberth1990, You checked the sum of the iso, there are dailies, I would try them as they come out you can zsync them. | 05:50 |
| roberth1990 | md5sum is correct | 05:52 |
| roberth1990 | tried rewriting to the usb stick over and over again, using different methods, cleaning the partition table | 05:53 |
| roberth1990 | well | 06:10 |
| roberth1990 | still the same result after reseting partition table on the usb drive I am using | 06:11 |
| roberth1990 | but... | 06:11 |
| roberth1990 | now I notice some graphical corruption over the black screen before going into busybox | 06:11 |
| roberth1990 | and the prompt in busybox is (initramfs) | 06:11 |
| roberth1990 | arghhh | 06:42 |
| roberth1990 | is there any images of 13.10 where there is only the core system of ubuntu and textbased installer? | 06:45 |
| yofel | the server image uses d-i (and the mini.iso - i.e. netinst) | 06:47 |
| roberth1990 | d-i? | 06:49 |
| yofel | debian-installer (i.e. the text UI) | 06:55 |
| roberth1990 | ah k | 06:56 |
| roberth1990 | trying it now... brb... | 06:56 |
| IamTrying | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ - I have this problem with kernel 3.11.x | 07:25 |
| IamTrying | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ - My Logitech camera C920 is a security camera runs for 24/7, Why Ubuntu disconnect the camera automatically ? and system crash | 07:26 |
| IamTrying | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams - Where is Ubuntu 13.x 100% stable usb camera lists? | 07:30 |
| IamTrying | This is very annoying with Ubuntu i have not a single camera in USB getting stable , causing crash of my system. | 07:30 |
| IamTrying | Ubuntu should at-least recommend one camera for UBuntu 13.x which really works 24/7 projects. Not like just capture once and assume it works for long run. | 07:31 |
| IamTrying | Logitech C920 was good camera, but its never working for 24/7 capturing project with Ubuntu 13.x | 07:32 |
| electricprism | How do I add a resolution to unity-system-compistor? | 09:14 |
| electricprism | does mir have a config file i need to edit or do i need to issue a command? | 09:15 |
| electricprism | It only detects up to 1024x768 and I need 1280x1024 | 09:16 |
| electricprism | no one :( | 09:24 |
| IamTrying | When a camera is available. | 11:05 |
| bekks | hmm? | 11:05 |
| IamTrying | Is it friendly for UBuntu to read the capture and disconnect the capture or is it more friendly for UBuntu to capture on boot and stop capture when power off? | 11:05 |
| IamTrying | I bought 30 USB cameras from different vendors, to test Ubuntu 13.x which one he fails and why. | 11:06 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: Wow nice! | 11:06 |
| IamTrying | Can anyone please advise what is Ubuntu friendly approach ? | 11:06 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: What do you mean by 'Ubuntu friendly approach' | 11:06 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, I want to make this version stable, getting very upset 2 year it failed. Now that we have kernel 3.11 it has to be stable | 11:07 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, but I don't understand really what question you're asking | 11:07 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, I had one USB camera C920 it was crashing the Ubuntu. Where i was capturing the camera and disconnecting it as loop | 11:07 |
| bekks | Capturing should be started the the application starts it, and should be stopped when the application stops it. Capturing and connection are different things. | 11:07 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, when you say it crashes, does the whole machine crash or just the capture program? | 11:08 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, Whole system crash like black screen with wite texts | 11:08 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, i figure out it was xhbc issue | 11:08 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, that sounds like a kernel panic | 11:08 |
| bekks | Which texts? | 11:08 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: Have you got a photograph of the white text? | 11:08 |
| * penguin42 would suggest using one of your cameras.... | 11:09 | |
| IamTrying | bekks, its like xhbc flooding issue mentioned in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1207612 | 11:09 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1207612 in linux (Ubuntu) "046d:0825 Using webcam fills log with xhci_hcd errors" [Medium,Fix released] | 11:09 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, YES in camera i will share you | 11:09 |
| bekks | Thats not a crash at all. | 11:09 |
| bekks | And there is a fix, too. | 11:09 |
| IamTrying | bekks, That is a biggesttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt annnoying crash ever i had. and it drops my remote SSH access its horriable | 11:10 |
| bekks | It is not a crash. | 11:10 |
| penguin42 | hang on | 11:10 |
| bekks | It is a simple bug, with a fix released. | 11:10 |
| IamTrying | bekks, that fix is in kernel 3.11 but then camera is suspended which is not solving my issue | 11:10 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: That bug you refer to is not the same as whatever is causing the crash | 11:10 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, indeed that is the cause causing the crash. Since i moved to kernel 3.11 system is stable | 11:11 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, but with kernel 3.11 i do not have then camera available lsusb | 11:11 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, so on 3.11 what problems do you have ? | 11:11 |
| bekks | Unless you show us a picture of the "white text", we cant confirm it was the cause of your crash. | 11:11 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, When that bug occure kernel suspend the lsusb all devices | 11:11 |
| bekks | The bug does not report a crash at all. | 11:11 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: Ah ok, so forget about old problems now - lets just think of things on 3.11 | 11:11 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, in new kernel what it does is it suspend or disconnect all usb devices | 11:11 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, I don't quite understand what you mean by that; if you power the machine on from cold with the camera attached does it work? | 11:12 |
| IamTrying | bekks, that does crash all my ubuntu 12.x with latest kernel since i moved to 13.x and kernel 3.11 system is not crashing but i have no usb devices | 11:12 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, yes once it works and after a while when i am capturing camera, then usb device get disconnected | 11:13 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, if that happens can you capture the dmesg of it after it's stopped working? | 11:13 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, with new kernel the system is not crashing but xhbc problem when occure kernel suspend/disconnect all usb controllers as a result i do not have any usb | 11:13 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, I have it too, i will share 1) screenshot and 2) that dmesg log | 11:14 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: Also, are these plugged directly into your PC or do you have any USB hubs? | 11:14 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, Directly plugged in so that on shutdown i can power cycle the USB devices not with external USB hubs | 11:15 |
| penguin42 | ok good, most USB hubs suck | 11:15 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, i used external usb hubs too, to power them even the system was shutdown or software rebooted | 11:15 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, YES usb hubs are not best, cause they externally powering the device | 11:15 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: Well it's ok when they DO externally power the device, but most of them have awful power supplies | 11:16 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, it did not worked for me with external usb power hubs it sucks was worst | 11:16 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, so now all connected to mother-board usb controllers straight | 11:16 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ | 11:17 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: Right, although for example I know on my PC that if I have stuff connected to both USB sockets at the front it can't supply power for both at the same time | 11:17 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: And that's on 3.11 ? | 11:18 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, 1) http://imgur.com/a/7SC7r#0 2) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ | 11:20 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, 1 is a kernel oops - I guess that happened as you hot-plugged a camera? If you can trigger that on 3.11 please report it, it's separate to any other bug | 11:22 |
| IamTrying | Summary: 0) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1207612 1) the crash: http://imgur.com/a/7SC7r#0 2) kernel 3.11 usb is disconnected because xhbc is flooding was detected by kernel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ | 11:22 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1207612 in linux (Ubuntu) "046d:0825 Using webcam fills log with xhci_hcd errors" [Medium,Fix released] | 11:22 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, its happening on kernel 3.11x | 11:22 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, the usb device is connected forever 24/7 | 11:22 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, please file a bug for that and tell me the bug number | 11:22 |
| IamTrying | OK - penguin42 | 11:23 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: I'm not sure that the stream of xhci errors you're seeing is the same as the bug 1207612 - the text of the message is certainly different | 11:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1207612 in linux (Ubuntu) "046d:0825 Using webcam fills log with xhci_hcd errors" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207612 | 11:23 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, in new kernel its different in old kernel it was straight to that crash screens | 11:24 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, new kernel protects from being happening the crash screen shot | 11:24 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, as I say, just stick with new kernel | 11:24 |
| bekks | That IS NO crash. | 11:24 |
| penguin42 | bekks: The picture is an oops, it is a crash | 11:24 |
| bekks | Thats not a crash. Thats an oops. | 11:24 |
| IamTrying | bekks, that is a YES crash. Cause when it happens, i remotely do not have SSH access | 11:24 |
| penguin42 | bekks: OK, split hairs | 11:24 |
| IamTrying | bekks, i have serious experience and it was regular happening like i can simulate that re-create it | 11:25 |
| penguin42 | bekks: Some oops's bring the system down and some don't, for him it has | 11:25 |
| bekks | koopses do not bring a system down, since they are isolated from the "rest" of the infrastructure. Thats why they are oopses and not panics. | 11:26 |
| penguin42 | bekks: Either way, that oops shouldn't happen, it's a bug and needs fixing | 11:26 |
| bekks | Yeah, thats correct. But thats still no crash ;) | 11:26 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: Anyway, your other errors, again, report them - but keep it as simple as possible; just poot with that webcam installed, be as simple as possible and do an ubuntu-bug linux | 11:27 |
| IamTrying | bekks, the reason i believe its a CRASH, therefore today i bought USB 30 camera's with random brands. And i want to pin point what exactly happening doing random loop testing with random camera's now. I will report a full bug | 11:27 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, OK | 11:27 |
| bekks | One cammera would be sufficient. | 11:28 |
| bekks | -m | 11:28 |
| penguin42 | bekks: Well, multiple cameras are good to find which issues are camera specific | 11:28 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: Does your machine have any USB2 ports? | 11:28 |
| IamTrying | well in that case its Logitech C920 usb camera which is the main culprit of my system down. The rest i have seems to be less issues by now. Being testing since yesterday evening, haven't slept 2 days, its a nightmare issue for me. | 11:29 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, YES USB 2 controllers it has but that did not solved | 11:29 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, Its something with Driver vs Kernel compatible | 11:29 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, I'm interested in if the errors are the same on the USB2, because xhci is purely for USB3 | 11:29 |
| bekks | Then its another issue, since usb2 doesnt even use xhci at all. | 11:29 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: If the message is the same but just changes to ehci then it's probably the same issue | 11:30 |
| IamTrying | OK - i am testing i will report a simple bug report to do a follow up. Thank you penguin42 bekks | 11:31 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 12:04 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 12:06 |
| === LinuxGo__ is now known as LinuxGold | ||
| slick0_ | OMG! | 13:21 |
| BluesKaj | hey FernandoMiguel | 13:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | hey hey BluesKaj | 13:59 |
| slick0_ | nice nick name | 14:07 |
| FernandoMiguel | slick0_: which one? | 14:09 |
| brainwash_ | already the 3rd time that X is messed up after unlocking the screen, did anyone else notice anything strange with i3lock in saucy? | 14:46 |
| brainwash_ | dpms is disabled, so is screen blanking | 14:48 |
| BluesKaj | brainwash_, Unity? | 14:48 |
| brainwash_ | no, custom setup | 14:48 |
| brainwash_ | just curious if anyone else using i3lock can confirm this behavior | 14:49 |
| ikonia | brainwash_: out of interest, how are you disabling dpms | 14:51 |
| brainwash_ | xset -dpms | 14:52 |
| brainwash_ | so it's basically only i3lock locking the screen, nothing else | 14:52 |
| brainwash_ | yes, I have to admit, that I'll have to some more testing | 14:53 |
| ikonia | brainwash_: if you have time and don't mind a test, try setting it in xorg.conf, it used to have an impact in how xscreensaver used to take control / or not, I'm wondering if it still has an impact or the same hook | 14:53 |
| ikonia | brainwash_: I don't think it will make a difference though | 14:53 |
| brainwash_ | creating a xorg.conf will disable kms :/ | 14:54 |
| brainwash_ | and it shouldn't make a difference | 14:55 |
| brainwash_ | just wondering about how a simple screen locker like i3lock can mess up X | 14:56 |
| ikonia | I don't disagree, I was just curious, if you had time to test | 14:56 |
| brainwash_ | visually mess up I mean | 14:56 |
| brainwash_ | black partial flickering screen | 14:57 |
| brainwash_ | going to check the remaining log files | 14:58 |
| bhavesh | How do I install MATE on Ubuntu 13.10? Should I use raring repos provided on MATE's download page? | 15:20 |
| bhavesh | http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download | 15:20 |
| ikonia | you really shouldn't be using mate at all | 15:20 |
| ikonia | and as it's not provided by ubuntu, you'd need to use a 3rd party repo that was built for saucy | 15:21 |
| ikonia | which I doubt exists at this time | 15:21 |
| penguin42 | ikonia: Why shouldn't they use it, it works very well | 15:32 |
| ikonia | penguin42: 1.) it's not provided by ubuntu and you're on a development release 2.) it's built on a dead codebase that applications are moving away from so breakage/security positions are getting weaker | 15:33 |
| penguin42 | (admittedly not tried it on Saucy, but the Mate guys are pretty good) | 15:33 |
| penguin42 | ikonia: That's no different from any PPA that they might use | 15:33 |
| ikonia | penguin42: no it's not | 15:33 |
| ikonia | penguin42: saucy is unstable - so PPA's are not being built against a moving target | 15:34 |
| penguin42 | shrug | 15:34 |
| Daekdroom | Mate has been slowly making its transition away from GNOME 2 components. | 15:57 |
| Daekdroom | Should eventually even use GTK3 | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | xfce too | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | is there a way to put multiple isos on a USB hard drive with a boot menu? | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | preferably in such a way that i can just copy new isos on to it and they show up automatically | 16:18 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I think I've heard of things that do it, but it depends a bit on how the isos are structurd | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | ubuntu isos | 16:18 |
| FernandoMiguel | any idea on how to edit/add stuff to nautilus bookmarks? | 16:18 |
| FernandoMiguel | that has stop a few versions ago :( | 16:19 |
| bazhang | look into using grub2 for that | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | FernandoMiguel: ~/.gtkbookmarks | 16:19 |
| FernandoMiguel | thanks ali1234 | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | gtk-bookmarks actually | 16:19 |
| FernandoMiguel | right | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | lines like: file:///home/al/Pictures | 16:20 |
| FernandoMiguel | I am all for CLI, but what ever happened to GUI for it? | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | heh, i'm in u+1, i didn't notice | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | FernandoMiguel: i think the keyboard shortcut in nautilus to add bookmark still works, even though they removed the menu | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | ctrl-b or something | 16:21 |
| FernandoMiguel | :\ | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | but it's gnome, you know they're on a mission to remove all features | 16:21 |
| FernandoMiguel | ali1234: im using +1 too :p | 16:21 |
| FernandoMiguel | LOLOLOLOLOLOL | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | so the reason i want multiple isos on one disk with a menu is so i can quickly switch between different builds of ubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-gnome, to test bugs | 16:22 |
| FernandoMiguel | ali1234: dude grub boot iso | 16:23 |
| ali1234 | but with grub i have to make a menu entry | 16:23 |
| FernandoMiguel | ali1234: shortcut doesn't work | 16:23 |
| FernandoMiguel | well, it does | 16:23 |
| FernandoMiguel | but I can only have *3* item | 16:23 |
| FernandoMiguel | ali1234: no no no... use grms | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | oh the number of items is patched in gtk | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | you have to rebuild it | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | ubuntu used to patch it from 3 to 10 in gnome-panel | 16:24 |
| FernandoMiguel | *grml | 16:24 |
| FernandoMiguel | http://askubuntu.com/questions/141940/how-to-boot-live-iso-images | 16:24 |
| FernandoMiguel | just leave the ISOs there, and be done | 16:25 |
| FernandoMiguel | automaticly added to grub on boot | 16:25 |
| ali1234 | which answer? | 16:25 |
| FernandoMiguel | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#grml-rescueboot | 16:26 |
| FernandoMiguel | here is better | 16:26 |
| FernandoMiguel | I have in there usually a recent nightly and last (old) stable release | 16:26 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I tend to use VMs for trying different varieties, but not that good for where you need the GL stuff to work well | 16:26 |
| ali1234 | making loads of VMs is time consuming | 16:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | penguin42: with this, you are a reboot away | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | FernandoMiguel: that does look good | 16:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | yep | 16:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | been using it since last cycle | 16:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | before that, I used to add the iso my self to grub entry, till it broke early last cycle... then found this | 16:28 |
| FernandoMiguel | zero maintenance . just drop an ISO and let grup-update do it's thing | 16:28 |
| FernandoMiguel | still. no solution for my bookmark issue :( | 16:29 |
| TheDrums | So, if a preference is set in a driver, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is still used to override it in Mir/XMir, right? | 18:15 |
| penguin42 | TheDrums: You can also put stuff into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d | 18:17 |
| TheDrums | Mhmm, idea is that Mir doesn't change where it look or something, though. (I mean, it's still xorg under the hood.) | 18:18 |
| ikonia | TheDrums: I'd be dissapointed if it did change things | 18:23 |
| TheDrums | ikonia: Indeed, but wouldn't greatly surprise me. | 18:45 |
| Daekdroom | TheDrums, it's not "xorg under the hood" | 18:51 |
| Daekdroom | The point of the whole thing is to eventually ditch xorg | 18:51 |
| TheDrums | Sure, but right now XMir is still just a compatibility layer that runs xorg. | 18:52 |
| Gamer1990 | hello | 20:24 |
| Gamer1990 | i want to know how to upgrade to lubuntu 13.10 or 14.04 | 20:25 |
| Gamer1990 | through the terminal | 20:25 |
| penguin42 | Gamer1990: do-release-update -d I think | 20:25 |
| bekks | To 14.04, you cant, until now. | 20:25 |
| Gamer1990 | not working | 20:26 |
| Gamer1990 | i'm running as root | 20:26 |
| bekks | "not working" is a very precise description :) | 20:26 |
| Gamer1990 | i tried "do-release-update -d" and it returned "do-release-update: command not found" | 20:27 |
| bekks | Then you do not have it installed. | 20:28 |
| penguin42 | ah sorry | 20:28 |
| penguin42 | Gamer1990: do-release-upgrade -d | 20:28 |
| penguin42 | note upgrade not update | 20:28 |
| ikonia | if you're struggling at this leve, maybe not moving to a development version would be wise | 20:34 |
| Gamer1990 | is kernel 4 released yet? | 20:42 |
| ikonia | what ???? | 20:44 |
| Gamer1990 | i have kernel 3.8 | 20:44 |
| ikonia | yeah ? | 20:45 |
| Gamer1990 | is kernel 4.0 available ? | 20:45 |
| ikonia | why do you even care | 20:45 |
| Gamer1990 | i want the lastest | 20:45 |
| ikonia | what has this got to do with ubuntu ? | 20:45 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: you hve no idea what you are saying | 20:45 |
| ikonia | this is silly | 20:45 |
| Gamer1990 | i'm upgrading to 13.10 | 20:45 |
| ikonia | yes, I advise you very strongly not to | 20:45 |
| Gamer1990 | why? | 20:45 |
| BluesKaj | Gamer1990, the latest kernel on 13.10 is 3.11.0-7-generic | 20:45 |
| ikonia | because you seem to have no idea what you are doing, which means using an unstable development release will end up causing you a lot of problems | 20:46 |
| Gamer1990 | is there a pae version? | 20:46 |
| ikonia | why would you not use 64bit ? | 20:46 |
| Gamer1990 | i am | 20:46 |
| ikonia | then why do you want PAE ? | 20:46 |
| ikonia | if you are using 64bit | 20:47 |
| Gamer1990 | isn't pae for 32/64 bit? | 20:47 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: ok - this is unwise for you to upgrade | 20:47 |
| penguin42 | PAE is for more ram on 32bit system | 20:47 |
| Gamer1990 | okay | 20:47 |
| ikonia | you are looking for non-existant software to chase version numbers, | 20:47 |
| Gamer1990 | my mistake | 20:47 |
| Gamer1990 | i'm trying to learn how to use unstable dev builds so i can learn from any mistakes i may run into. | 20:48 |
| BluesKaj | ikonia, we can help if he has problems | 20:48 |
| Gamer1990 | that's nice :) | 20:48 |
| ikonia | BluesKaj: I would suggest you can't looking at the issues already arising | 20:48 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: learning would be much wiser on a stable platform | 20:48 |
| Gamer1990 | i am already installing it just fine so far | 20:49 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: you can expand your knowledge with confidence that the software will work and it's not your problem, on this it could be your problem, it could be software problems | 20:49 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: you've managed to mess up the install commands before you even started, it's not really a challange to type 1 command, so I'd hardly say "it's fine" | 20:49 |
| Gamer1990 | i want to know what the latest version of my nvidia driver/kernel is | 20:50 |
| Gamer1990 | i am running 313 | 20:50 |
| ikonia | you don't need to know that at this time | 20:50 |
| BluesKaj | one learns by solving problems , a stable release doesn't have many | 20:50 |
| ikonia | BluesKaj: a certain level of experience is required sadly | 20:50 |
| ikonia | and you can learn just fine on a stable system | 20:50 |
| Gamer1990 | ikonia no species 8472 | 20:51 |
| ikonia | sorry, not interested in random offtopic statements | 20:51 |
| * BluesKaj believes in "letting ppl get their feet wet" | 20:52 | |
| Gamer1990 | my bad | 20:52 |
| Gamer1990 | thats awesome BluesKaj | 20:52 |
| BluesKaj | not bad , it's just a mistake | 20:52 |
| Gamer1990 | is 14.04 out yet? | 20:54 |
| ikonia | good god | 20:54 |
| BluesKaj | no | 20:54 |
| Gamer1990 | just wondering. | 20:54 |
| Gamer1990 | feel free to ignore me ikonia | 20:54 |
| BluesKaj | 14.04 stands for the yr and month of the release | 20:54 |
| Gamer1990 | oh | 20:54 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: maybe worth checking the /topic of the channel | 20:54 |
| Gamer1990 | april 2014 | 20:55 |
| ikonia | (the links can be quite useful) | 20:55 |
| Gamer1990 | okay | 20:55 |
| Gamer1990 | october 2013 = 13.10 stable? | 20:55 |
| BluesKaj | Gamer1990, quite so far .also depends which desktop you use | 20:57 |
| Gamer1990 | lubuntu 64 | 20:57 |
| Gamer1990 | is 13.10 an alpha? | 20:57 |
| BluesKaj | it's beta1 atm | 20:58 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: READ the links | 20:58 |
| ikonia | get a basic understanding of the platform you are installing | 20:58 |
| Gamer1990 | what is the current alpha? | 20:58 |
| penguin42 | Gamer1990: That's not how it works | 20:58 |
| ikonia | it's in the links in the topic | 20:58 |
| penguin42 | Gamer1990: There's a set of released versions and the 'next' version; the next version works it's way through alpha/beta/release and then they start on the next one | 20:59 |
| Gamer1990 | as i was saying i am running lubuntu amd64 desktop | 21:00 |
| === IdleOne changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1, the channel for discussion of pre-release versions of Ubuntu. Consider this unstable and will probably break in some way. | 13.04 has been released!! http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule | ||
| Gamer1990 | thank god chromium is replaced by firefox | 21:02 |
| Gamer1990 | chromium blows goats | 21:02 |
| Gamer1990 | how do i install kernel "3.11.0-7-generic" | 21:22 |
| Gamer1990 | i'm having some issues | 21:24 |
| Gamer1990 | i can't open synaptic | 21:24 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: it should install the current kernel as part of the upgrade | 21:24 |
| ikonia | what kernel has it installed ? | 21:25 |
| Gamer1990 | i screwed it up | 21:25 |
| ikonia | how | 21:25 |
| ikonia | it's one command | 21:26 |
| Gamer1990 | i accidentally closed the update in the middle of rc5 | 21:26 |
| ikonia | thats a silly mistake | 21:26 |
| Gamer1990 | yeah' | 21:26 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: so what i'd suggest to do, is now just do a clean 13.10 install | 21:26 |
| Gamer1990 | okay hold on | 21:27 |
| ikonia | that way it removes the problem of the upgrade | 21:27 |
| Gamer1990 | i'll have to choose what linux i want | 21:27 |
| ikonia | again, I strongly advise you pick a stable build | 21:27 |
| Gamer1990 | okay | 21:28 |
| ikonia | it is of course up to you though | 21:28 |
| Gamer1990 | what is the purpose of lubuntu anyway? | 21:28 |
| Gamer1990 | could i use kubuntu? | 21:28 |
| ikonia | kubuntu 13.04 ? | 21:28 |
| Gamer1990 | yeah? | 21:29 |
| ikonia | yes, kubuntu.com has the install media and #kubuntu is the support channel for kubuntu 13.04 | 21:29 |
| Gamer1990 | is kde any better than what i'm running? | 21:30 |
| ikonia | that's personal opinion, you use the desktop that you like | 21:30 |
| Gamer1990 | if i am running Lubuntu , i am running LXDE | 21:31 |
| ikonia | some will like it more, others less | 21:31 |
| ikonia | that's right yes | 21:31 |
| Gamer1990 | is xubuntu lighter on resources? | 21:31 |
| Gamer1990 | than lubuntu? | 21:31 |
| ikonia | lubuntu is a little lighter on paper | 21:32 |
| Gamer1990 | paper? | 21:32 |
| ikonia | the official specifications | 21:32 |
| Gamer1990 | i want real-world performance | 21:32 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: what is your cpu/ram ? | 21:32 |
| Gamer1990 | intel core i3 4gb ddr3 | 21:33 |
| Gamer1990 | nvidia 9500gt | 21:33 |
| ikonia | Gamer1990: that will run any ubuntu version with ease | 21:33 |
| Gamer1990 | i like the simple desktop style | 21:34 |
| Gamer1990 | i don't like unity | 21:34 |
| ikonia | ok, then use what you like | 21:34 |
| === Fyodorovna is now known as wilee-nilee | ||
| IamTrying | penguin42, the problem is solved. 1) when i was capturing video after some time 2) i was doing ps aux | awk '/mypython/ ... | xargs kill -9; 3) instantly when i re-capture the video then it fails 4) after using kill -SIGHUP mypython resolved it 5) that means the drivers are stable + my 30 USB cameras are stable , only the issue was the way i was capturing and turning off | 22:56 |
| IamTrying | WORKS/STABLE - Tested with Ubuntu 12.xx and Ubuntu 13.xx from kernel 3.2 to 3.11 | 22:57 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: That oops you saw was a real oops though, that shouldn't happen | 22:57 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: So you're running all 30 cameras at once? | 22:57 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, YES - and all works now, it was a issue `kill -SIGHIP` vs `kill -9` | 22:58 |
| penguin42 | heck 30 cameras at once is impressive - wth are you doing with them? | 22:59 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, i have done each camera with 5000 loop of capture/de-capture + with other PC's for 24 hour long term capture all was success. Only that happens when i used kill -9 | 22:59 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, I am making a traffic room, wall. | 23:00 |
| penguin42 | a what? | 23:00 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, parking, street traffic, monitoring traffic for security | 23:01 |
| IamTrying | Thank you for your support penguin42 , very appreciating. | 23:01 |
| IamTrying | have a nice weekend | 23:01 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: Hmm ok, I'm not sure I'd have used usb for that! | 23:01 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, yes i needed to for low cost solution. Where USB cameras are OK for this Federal Police Antwerpen (Belgium). | 23:02 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: OK, well I guess I would have used network ones, a lot easier and not that expensive these days | 23:03 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, I know but i used cat /dev/video | nc which doing the same as network ones. | 23:04 |
| genii | Cable length restrictions on USB signals make me think this is not a very effective solution, unless all the cameras are less than about 8 feet from every computer | 23:04 |
| IamTrying | genii, i have Federal Police Antwerpen - backbone network access. So my cat /dev/videoX | nc works with low latency + stable jitter | 23:05 |
| penguin42 | well you can get usb extenders, but it's all a bit touchy and machines with a lot of USB devices tend to get weird, although I have seen 40+ port USB hubs | 23:05 |
| IamTrying | OK - no worries now, i have found the root cause of my problem and it works now great. penguin42 | 23:06 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, So FYI, Logitech C920 is working - like many other users informed it does not work (which is not true) | 23:06 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: That bug you pointed to was quite old, and with USB there are a lot of weird things, like dependencies on controllers/hubs etc | 23:09 |
| IamTrying | YES - penguin42 you are right. I have tested and found that 1) USB-3 is buggy still when a mother board has USB 3 interface its a hell 2) i have few spare parts which only have USB 2 interface and no USB 3 interface there i had ZERO issues | 23:17 |
| IamTrying | if mother board has = USB 3 (special issues will arrive) , if mother board has no = USB 3 (then its normal will not expect problems) | 23:18 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: On some systems I think you can also remove the usb-3 module and it might fall back, worth a go | 23:19 |
| IamTrying | YES - penguin42 i compiled the Ubuntu kernel without USB -3 as module and blacklisted the usb3 and it was working then smoothly but when i used default Ubuntu way of release then it cause troubles with USB 3 | 23:20 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, Ubuntu should make the USB3 and USB2 moduler so that some one can blacklist the usb3 | 23:20 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: It already is | 23:22 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, in the default Ubuntu installation you can split the USB controllers yet unless you compile the kernel, if you use black list it does not listen. | 23:23 |
| IamTrying | s/you can/you cant | 23:23 |
| penguin42 | I think you're using the blacklist wrong, or getting hit by it loading it during boot, I'm fairly sure you can fix that without recompilation | 23:24 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, this does not happen in Ubuntu 12.x / 13.x http://www.pcl-developers.org/xhci-hcd-I-hate-you-USB-3-0-and-Primesense-Asus-Xtion-td5707949.html | 23:24 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, http://www.pcl-developers.org/xhci-hcd-I-hate-you-USB-3-0-and-Primesense-Asus-Xtion-td5707949.html - black list did not worked for me, then i compiled the kernel to by force not use USB 3 even usb controllers are there `lspci` | 23:25 |
| penguin42 | hmm, yes EHCI is built in these days | 23:26 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: I guess since pretty much everything uses it there was no point modularising | 23:27 |
| penguin42 | IamTrying: I suspect but don't know that you might be able to disable it with a boot parameter or poking in /sys/bus/usb/drivers | 23:28 |
| IamTrying | penguin42, i have tried several way to avoid using new kernel as compiled to just have moduler for xhci and ehci - but i failed, unless i make my hands dirty by compiling a kernel. I will try /sys/bus/usb/drivers see if i can keep the default Ubuntu as it is and just ignore xhci completely cause that is the main culprit for all this issue. | 23:31 |
| dazza5000 | I'm trying out mir on 13.10 beta, but it is rendering the screen with horizontal black lines dispersed throughout the correct desktop. Does anyone have any ideas on things I could do to fix/troubleshoot this? | 23:37 |
| penguin42 | no, but it's probably relevant to state the graphics card | 23:38 |
| dazza5000 | lspci | grep -i vga | 23:38 |
| dazza5000 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Barts XT [Radeon HD 6870] | 23:38 |
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