[01:12] The Gnome Shell version currently in 13.10 sometimes loses focus when new windows are created. [01:13] Nothing (neither the old or the new window) gets focused and all keyboard shortcuts (including Logo and Alt+Tab) stop functioning. [01:13] This seems random, focus is not always lost, only very often. [01:13] A mouse click is required to focus some window, to restore keyboard functionality. [01:59] Additionally, screen lock now seems to switch off HDMI signal (with Nvidia drivers), causing music playback to stop. I'm not sure when this started but it must've been quite recently. [02:01] I suppose that this is some cool new power saving feature but since I use HDMI to listen to music at night, it doesn't quite work as intended. [04:22] great, I just broke my system, kind of... [04:23] radeon.ko won't load, unless I run insmod radeon.ko manually :/ [04:24] I wanted to patch it, so I rebuilt the whole kernel package. well, it worked, but I got yet more problems [04:48] Hi there - I have an issue where the boot loading screen is in text and no longer has graphics? [05:10] a .ko file was copied to two different folders under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ ... ;_; [05:44] hello [05:44] when I try to boot *ubuntu 13.10 install medium on my comp, I always just get into busybox... [05:45] its an uefi system [05:45] !uefi [05:45] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [05:45] not sure if you have seen this wiki [05:46] havent seen it, but all that which is said there is taken care of [05:47] I installed *ubuntu 13.04 without any problem on the system [05:50] roberth1990, You checked the sum of the iso, there are dailies, I would try them as they come out you can zsync them. [05:52] md5sum is correct [05:53] tried rewriting to the usb stick over and over again, using different methods, cleaning the partition table [06:10] well [06:11] still the same result after reseting partition table on the usb drive I am using [06:11] but... [06:11] now I notice some graphical corruption over the black screen before going into busybox [06:11] and the prompt in busybox is (initramfs) [06:42] arghhh [06:45] is there any images of 13.10 where there is only the core system of ubuntu and textbased installer? [06:47] the server image uses d-i (and the mini.iso - i.e. netinst) [06:49] d-i? [06:55] debian-installer (i.e. the text UI) [06:56] ah k [06:56] trying it now... brb... [07:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ - I have this problem with kernel 3.11.x [07:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ - My Logitech camera C920 is a security camera runs for 24/7, Why Ubuntu disconnect the camera automatically ? and system crash [07:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams - Where is Ubuntu 13.x 100% stable usb camera lists? [07:30] This is very annoying with Ubuntu i have not a single camera in USB getting stable , causing crash of my system. [07:31] Ubuntu should at-least recommend one camera for UBuntu 13.x which really works 24/7 projects. Not like just capture once and assume it works for long run. [07:32] Logitech C920 was good camera, but its never working for 24/7 capturing project with Ubuntu 13.x [09:14] How do I add a resolution to unity-system-compistor? [09:15] does mir have a config file i need to edit or do i need to issue a command? [09:16] It only detects up to 1024x768 and I need 1280x1024 [09:24] no one :( [11:05] When a camera is available. [11:05] hmm? [11:05] Is it friendly for UBuntu to read the capture and disconnect the capture or is it more friendly for UBuntu to capture on boot and stop capture when power off? [11:06] I bought 30 USB cameras from different vendors, to test Ubuntu 13.x which one he fails and why. [11:06] IamTrying: Wow nice! [11:06] Can anyone please advise what is Ubuntu friendly approach ? [11:06] IamTrying: What do you mean by 'Ubuntu friendly approach' [11:07] penguin42, I want to make this version stable, getting very upset 2 year it failed. Now that we have kernel 3.11 it has to be stable [11:07] IamTrying: OK, but I don't understand really what question you're asking [11:07] penguin42, I had one USB camera C920 it was crashing the Ubuntu. Where i was capturing the camera and disconnecting it as loop [11:07] Capturing should be started the the application starts it, and should be stopped when the application stops it. Capturing and connection are different things. [11:08] IamTrying: OK, when you say it crashes, does the whole machine crash or just the capture program? [11:08] penguin42, Whole system crash like black screen with wite texts [11:08] penguin42, i figure out it was xhbc issue [11:08] IamTrying: OK, that sounds like a kernel panic [11:08] Which texts? [11:08] IamTrying: Have you got a photograph of the white text? [11:09] * penguin42 would suggest using one of your cameras.... [11:09] bekks, its like xhbc flooding issue mentioned in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1207612 [11:09] Ubuntu bug 1207612 in linux (Ubuntu) "046d:0825 Using webcam fills log with xhci_hcd errors" [Medium,Fix released] [11:09] penguin42, YES in camera i will share you [11:09] Thats not a crash at all. [11:09] And there is a fix, too. [11:10] bekks, That is a biggesttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt annnoying crash ever i had. and it drops my remote SSH access its horriable [11:10] It is not a crash. [11:10] hang on [11:10] It is a simple bug, with a fix released. [11:10] bekks, that fix is in kernel 3.11 but then camera is suspended which is not solving my issue [11:10] IamTrying: That bug you refer to is not the same as whatever is causing the crash [11:11] penguin42, indeed that is the cause causing the crash. Since i moved to kernel 3.11 system is stable [11:11] penguin42, but with kernel 3.11 i do not have then camera available lsusb [11:11] IamTrying: OK, so on 3.11 what problems do you have ? [11:11] Unless you show us a picture of the "white text", we cant confirm it was the cause of your crash. [11:11] penguin42, When that bug occure kernel suspend the lsusb all devices [11:11] The bug does not report a crash at all. [11:11] IamTrying: Ah ok, so forget about old problems now - lets just think of things on 3.11 [11:11] penguin42, in new kernel what it does is it suspend or disconnect all usb devices [11:12] IamTrying: OK, I don't quite understand what you mean by that; if you power the machine on from cold with the camera attached does it work? [11:12] bekks, that does crash all my ubuntu 12.x with latest kernel since i moved to 13.x and kernel 3.11 system is not crashing but i have no usb devices [11:13] penguin42, yes once it works and after a while when i am capturing camera, then usb device get disconnected [11:13] IamTrying: OK, if that happens can you capture the dmesg of it after it's stopped working? [11:13] penguin42, with new kernel the system is not crashing but xhbc problem when occure kernel suspend/disconnect all usb controllers as a result i do not have any usb [11:14] penguin42, I have it too, i will share 1) screenshot and 2) that dmesg log [11:14] IamTrying: Also, are these plugged directly into your PC or do you have any USB hubs? [11:15] penguin42, Directly plugged in so that on shutdown i can power cycle the USB devices not with external USB hubs [11:15] ok good, most USB hubs suck [11:15] penguin42, i used external usb hubs too, to power them even the system was shutdown or software rebooted [11:15] penguin42, YES usb hubs are not best, cause they externally powering the device [11:16] IamTrying: Well it's ok when they DO externally power the device, but most of them have awful power supplies [11:16] penguin42, it did not worked for me with external usb power hubs it sucks was worst [11:16] penguin42, so now all connected to mother-board usb controllers straight [11:17] penguin42, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ [11:17] IamTrying: Right, although for example I know on my PC that if I have stuff connected to both USB sockets at the front it can't supply power for both at the same time [11:18] IamTrying: And that's on 3.11 ? [11:20] penguin42, 1) http://imgur.com/a/7SC7r#0 2) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ [11:22] IamTrying: OK, 1 is a kernel oops - I guess that happened as you hot-plugged a camera? If you can trigger that on 3.11 please report it, it's separate to any other bug [11:22] Summary: 0) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1207612 1) the crash: http://imgur.com/a/7SC7r#0 2) kernel 3.11 usb is disconnected because xhbc is flooding was detected by kernel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105007/ [11:22] Ubuntu bug 1207612 in linux (Ubuntu) "046d:0825 Using webcam fills log with xhci_hcd errors" [Medium,Fix released] [11:22] penguin42, its happening on kernel 3.11x [11:22] penguin42, the usb device is connected forever 24/7 [11:22] IamTrying: OK, please file a bug for that and tell me the bug number [11:23] OK - penguin42 [11:23] IamTrying: I'm not sure that the stream of xhci errors you're seeing is the same as the bug 1207612 - the text of the message is certainly different [11:23] bug 1207612 in linux (Ubuntu) "046d:0825 Using webcam fills log with xhci_hcd errors" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207612 [11:24] penguin42, in new kernel its different in old kernel it was straight to that crash screens [11:24] penguin42, new kernel protects from being happening the crash screen shot [11:24] IamTrying: OK, as I say, just stick with new kernel [11:24] That IS NO crash. [11:24] bekks: The picture is an oops, it is a crash [11:24] Thats not a crash. Thats an oops. [11:24] bekks, that is a YES crash. Cause when it happens, i remotely do not have SSH access [11:24] bekks: OK, split hairs [11:25] bekks, i have serious experience and it was regular happening like i can simulate that re-create it [11:25] bekks: Some oops's bring the system down and some don't, for him it has [11:26] koopses do not bring a system down, since they are isolated from the "rest" of the infrastructure. Thats why they are oopses and not panics. [11:26] bekks: Either way, that oops shouldn't happen, it's a bug and needs fixing [11:26] Yeah, thats correct. But thats still no crash ;) [11:27] IamTrying: Anyway, your other errors, again, report them - but keep it as simple as possible; just poot with that webcam installed, be as simple as possible and do an ubuntu-bug linux [11:27] bekks, the reason i believe its a CRASH, therefore today i bought USB 30 camera's with random brands. And i want to pin point what exactly happening doing random loop testing with random camera's now. I will report a full bug [11:27] penguin42, OK [11:28] One cammera would be sufficient. [11:28] -m [11:28] bekks: Well, multiple cameras are good to find which issues are camera specific [11:28] IamTrying: Does your machine have any USB2 ports? [11:29] well in that case its Logitech C920 usb camera which is the main culprit of my system down. The rest i have seems to be less issues by now. Being testing since yesterday evening, haven't slept 2 days, its a nightmare issue for me. [11:29] penguin42, YES USB 2 controllers it has but that did not solved [11:29] penguin42, Its something with Driver vs Kernel compatible [11:29] IamTrying: OK, I'm interested in if the errors are the same on the USB2, because xhci is purely for USB3 [11:29] Then its another issue, since usb2 doesnt even use xhci at all. [11:30] IamTrying: If the message is the same but just changes to ehci then it's probably the same issue [11:31] OK - i am testing i will report a simple bug report to do a follow up. Thank you penguin42 bekks [12:04] 'Morning folks [12:06] 'Morning folks === LinuxGo__ is now known as LinuxGold [13:21] OMG! [13:59] hey FernandoMiguel [13:59] hey hey BluesKaj [14:07] nice nick name [14:09] slick0_: which one? [14:46] already the 3rd time that X is messed up after unlocking the screen, did anyone else notice anything strange with i3lock in saucy? [14:48] dpms is disabled, so is screen blanking [14:48] brainwash_, Unity? [14:48] no, custom setup [14:49] just curious if anyone else using i3lock can confirm this behavior [14:51] brainwash_: out of interest, how are you disabling dpms [14:52] xset -dpms [14:52] so it's basically only i3lock locking the screen, nothing else [14:53] yes, I have to admit, that I'll have to some more testing [14:53] brainwash_: if you have time and don't mind a test, try setting it in xorg.conf, it used to have an impact in how xscreensaver used to take control / or not, I'm wondering if it still has an impact or the same hook [14:53] brainwash_: I don't think it will make a difference though [14:54] creating a xorg.conf will disable kms :/ [14:55] and it shouldn't make a difference [14:56] just wondering about how a simple screen locker like i3lock can mess up X [14:56] I don't disagree, I was just curious, if you had time to test [14:56] visually mess up I mean [14:57] black partial flickering screen [14:58] going to check the remaining log files [15:20] How do I install MATE on Ubuntu 13.10? Should I use raring repos provided on MATE's download page? [15:20] http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download [15:20] you really shouldn't be using mate at all [15:21] and as it's not provided by ubuntu, you'd need to use a 3rd party repo that was built for saucy [15:21] which I doubt exists at this time [15:32] ikonia: Why shouldn't they use it, it works very well [15:33] penguin42: 1.) it's not provided by ubuntu and you're on a development release 2.) it's built on a dead codebase that applications are moving away from so breakage/security positions are getting weaker [15:33] (admittedly not tried it on Saucy, but the Mate guys are pretty good) [15:33] ikonia: That's no different from any PPA that they might use [15:33] penguin42: no it's not [15:34] penguin42: saucy is unstable - so PPA's are not being built against a moving target [15:34] shrug [15:57] Mate has been slowly making its transition away from GNOME 2 components. [15:58] Should eventually even use GTK3 [16:02] xfce too [16:17] is there a way to put multiple isos on a USB hard drive with a boot menu? [16:18] preferably in such a way that i can just copy new isos on to it and they show up automatically [16:18] ali1234: I think I've heard of things that do it, but it depends a bit on how the isos are structurd [16:18] ubuntu isos [16:18] any idea on how to edit/add stuff to nautilus bookmarks? [16:19] that has stop a few versions ago :( [16:19] look into using grub2 for that [16:19] FernandoMiguel: ~/.gtkbookmarks [16:19] thanks ali1234 [16:19] gtk-bookmarks actually [16:19] right [16:20] lines like: file:///home/al/Pictures [16:21] I am all for CLI, but what ever happened to GUI for it? [16:21] heh, i'm in u+1, i didn't notice [16:21] FernandoMiguel: i think the keyboard shortcut in nautilus to add bookmark still works, even though they removed the menu [16:21] ctrl-b or something [16:21] :\ [16:21] but it's gnome, you know they're on a mission to remove all features [16:21] ali1234: im using +1 too :p [16:21] LOLOLOLOLOLOL [16:22] so the reason i want multiple isos on one disk with a menu is so i can quickly switch between different builds of ubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-gnome, to test bugs [16:23] ali1234: dude grub boot iso [16:23] but with grub i have to make a menu entry [16:23] ali1234: shortcut doesn't work [16:23] well, it does [16:23] but I can only have *3* item [16:24] ali1234: no no no... use grms [16:24] oh the number of items is patched in gtk [16:24] you have to rebuild it [16:24] ubuntu used to patch it from 3 to 10 in gnome-panel [16:24] *grml [16:24] http://askubuntu.com/questions/141940/how-to-boot-live-iso-images [16:25] just leave the ISOs there, and be done [16:25] automaticly added to grub on boot [16:25] which answer? [16:26] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#grml-rescueboot [16:26] here is better [16:26] I have in there usually a recent nightly and last (old) stable release [16:26] ali1234: I tend to use VMs for trying different varieties, but not that good for where you need the GL stuff to work well [16:27] making loads of VMs is time consuming [16:27] penguin42: with this, you are a reboot away [16:27] FernandoMiguel: that does look good [16:27] yep [16:27] been using it since last cycle [16:28] before that, I used to add the iso my self to grub entry, till it broke early last cycle... then found this [16:28] zero maintenance . just drop an ISO and let grup-update do it's thing [16:29] still. no solution for my bookmark issue :( [18:15] So, if a preference is set in a driver, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is still used to override it in Mir/XMir, right? [18:17] TheDrums: You can also put stuff into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d [18:18] Mhmm, idea is that Mir doesn't change where it look or something, though. (I mean, it's still xorg under the hood.) [18:23] TheDrums: I'd be dissapointed if it did change things [18:45] ikonia: Indeed, but wouldn't greatly surprise me. [18:51] TheDrums, it's not "xorg under the hood" [18:51] The point of the whole thing is to eventually ditch xorg [18:52] Sure, but right now XMir is still just a compatibility layer that runs xorg. [20:24] hello [20:25] i want to know how to upgrade to lubuntu 13.10 or 14.04 [20:25] through the terminal [20:25] Gamer1990: do-release-update -d I think [20:25] To 14.04, you cant, until now. [20:26] not working [20:26] i'm running as root [20:26] "not working" is a very precise description :) [20:27] i tried "do-release-update -d" and it returned "do-release-update: command not found" [20:28] Then you do not have it installed. [20:28] ah sorry [20:28] Gamer1990: do-release-upgrade -d [20:28] note upgrade not update [20:34] if you're struggling at this leve, maybe not moving to a development version would be wise [20:42] is kernel 4 released yet? [20:44] what ???? [20:44] i have kernel 3.8 [20:45] yeah ? [20:45] is kernel 4.0 available ? [20:45] why do you even care [20:45] i want the lastest [20:45] what has this got to do with ubuntu ? [20:45] Gamer1990: you hve no idea what you are saying [20:45] this is silly [20:45] i'm upgrading to 13.10 [20:45] yes, I advise you very strongly not to [20:45] why? [20:45] Gamer1990, the latest kernel on 13.10 is 3.11.0-7-generic [20:46] because you seem to have no idea what you are doing, which means using an unstable development release will end up causing you a lot of problems [20:46] is there a pae version? [20:46] why would you not use 64bit ? [20:46] i am [20:46] then why do you want PAE ? [20:47] if you are using 64bit [20:47] isn't pae for 32/64 bit? [20:47] Gamer1990: ok - this is unwise for you to upgrade [20:47] PAE is for more ram on 32bit system [20:47] okay [20:47] you are looking for non-existant software to chase version numbers, [20:47] my mistake [20:48] i'm trying to learn how to use unstable dev builds so i can learn from any mistakes i may run into. [20:48] ikonia, we can help if he has problems [20:48] that's nice :) [20:48] BluesKaj: I would suggest you can't looking at the issues already arising [20:48] Gamer1990: learning would be much wiser on a stable platform [20:49] i am already installing it just fine so far [20:49] Gamer1990: you can expand your knowledge with confidence that the software will work and it's not your problem, on this it could be your problem, it could be software problems [20:49] Gamer1990: you've managed to mess up the install commands before you even started, it's not really a challange to type 1 command, so I'd hardly say "it's fine" [20:50] i want to know what the latest version of my nvidia driver/kernel is [20:50] i am running 313 [20:50] you don't need to know that at this time [20:50] one learns by solving problems , a stable release doesn't have many [20:50] BluesKaj: a certain level of experience is required sadly [20:50] and you can learn just fine on a stable system [20:51] ikonia no species 8472 [20:51] sorry, not interested in random offtopic statements [20:52] * BluesKaj believes in "letting ppl get their feet wet" [20:52] my bad [20:52] thats awesome BluesKaj [20:52] not bad , it's just a mistake [20:54] is 14.04 out yet? [20:54] good god [20:54] no [20:54] just wondering. [20:54] feel free to ignore me ikonia [20:54] 14.04 stands for the yr and month of the release [20:54] oh [20:54] Gamer1990: maybe worth checking the /topic of the channel [20:55] april 2014 [20:55] (the links can be quite useful) [20:55] okay [20:55] october 2013 = 13.10 stable? [20:57] Gamer1990, quite so far .also depends which desktop you use [20:57] lubuntu 64 [20:57] is 13.10 an alpha? [20:58] it's beta1 atm [20:58] Gamer1990: READ the links [20:58] get a basic understanding of the platform you are installing [20:58] what is the current alpha? [20:58] Gamer1990: That's not how it works [20:58] it's in the links in the topic [20:59] Gamer1990: There's a set of released versions and the 'next' version; the next version works it's way through alpha/beta/release and then they start on the next one [21:00] as i was saying i am running lubuntu amd64 desktop === IdleOne changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1, the channel for discussion of pre-release versions of Ubuntu. Consider this unstable and will probably break in some way. | 13.04 has been released!! http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule [21:02] thank god chromium is replaced by firefox [21:02] chromium blows goats [21:22] how do i install kernel "3.11.0-7-generic" [21:24] i'm having some issues [21:24] i can't open synaptic [21:24] Gamer1990: it should install the current kernel as part of the upgrade [21:25] what kernel has it installed ? [21:25] i screwed it up [21:25] how [21:26] it's one command [21:26] i accidentally closed the update in the middle of rc5 [21:26] thats a silly mistake [21:26] yeah' [21:26] Gamer1990: so what i'd suggest to do, is now just do a clean 13.10 install [21:27] okay hold on [21:27] that way it removes the problem of the upgrade [21:27] i'll have to choose what linux i want [21:27] again, I strongly advise you pick a stable build [21:28] okay [21:28] it is of course up to you though [21:28] what is the purpose of lubuntu anyway? [21:28] could i use kubuntu? [21:28] kubuntu 13.04 ? [21:29] yeah? [21:29] yes, kubuntu.com has the install media and #kubuntu is the support channel for kubuntu 13.04 [21:30] is kde any better than what i'm running? [21:30] that's personal opinion, you use the desktop that you like [21:31] if i am running Lubuntu , i am running LXDE [21:31] some will like it more, others less [21:31] that's right yes [21:31] is xubuntu lighter on resources? [21:31] than lubuntu? [21:32] lubuntu is a little lighter on paper [21:32] paper? [21:32] the official specifications [21:32] i want real-world performance [21:32] Gamer1990: what is your cpu/ram ? [21:33] intel core i3 4gb ddr3 [21:33] nvidia 9500gt [21:33] Gamer1990: that will run any ubuntu version with ease [21:34] i like the simple desktop style [21:34] i don't like unity [21:34] ok, then use what you like === Fyodorovna is now known as wilee-nilee [22:56] penguin42, the problem is solved. 1) when i was capturing video after some time 2) i was doing ps aux | awk '/mypython/ ... | xargs kill -9; 3) instantly when i re-capture the video then it fails 4) after using kill -SIGHUP mypython resolved it 5) that means the drivers are stable + my 30 USB cameras are stable , only the issue was the way i was capturing and turning off [22:57] WORKS/STABLE - Tested with Ubuntu 12.xx and Ubuntu 13.xx from kernel 3.2 to 3.11 [22:57] IamTrying: That oops you saw was a real oops though, that shouldn't happen [22:57] IamTrying: So you're running all 30 cameras at once? [22:58] penguin42, YES - and all works now, it was a issue `kill -SIGHIP` vs `kill -9` [22:59] heck 30 cameras at once is impressive - wth are you doing with them? [22:59] penguin42, i have done each camera with 5000 loop of capture/de-capture + with other PC's for 24 hour long term capture all was success. Only that happens when i used kill -9 [23:00] penguin42, I am making a traffic room, wall. [23:00] a what? [23:01] penguin42, parking, street traffic, monitoring traffic for security [23:01] Thank you for your support penguin42 , very appreciating. [23:01] have a nice weekend [23:01] IamTrying: Hmm ok, I'm not sure I'd have used usb for that! [23:02] penguin42, yes i needed to for low cost solution. Where USB cameras are OK for this Federal Police Antwerpen (Belgium). [23:03] IamTrying: OK, well I guess I would have used network ones, a lot easier and not that expensive these days [23:04] penguin42, I know but i used cat /dev/video | nc which doing the same as network ones. [23:04] Cable length restrictions on USB signals make me think this is not a very effective solution, unless all the cameras are less than about 8 feet from every computer [23:05] genii, i have Federal Police Antwerpen - backbone network access. So my cat /dev/videoX | nc works with low latency + stable jitter [23:05] well you can get usb extenders, but it's all a bit touchy and machines with a lot of USB devices tend to get weird, although I have seen 40+ port USB hubs [23:06] OK - no worries now, i have found the root cause of my problem and it works now great. penguin42 [23:06] penguin42, So FYI, Logitech C920 is working - like many other users informed it does not work (which is not true) [23:09] IamTrying: That bug you pointed to was quite old, and with USB there are a lot of weird things, like dependencies on controllers/hubs etc [23:17] YES - penguin42 you are right. I have tested and found that 1) USB-3 is buggy still when a mother board has USB 3 interface its a hell 2) i have few spare parts which only have USB 2 interface and no USB 3 interface there i had ZERO issues [23:18] if mother board has = USB 3 (special issues will arrive) , if mother board has no = USB 3 (then its normal will not expect problems) [23:19] IamTrying: On some systems I think you can also remove the usb-3 module and it might fall back, worth a go [23:20] YES - penguin42 i compiled the Ubuntu kernel without USB -3 as module and blacklisted the usb3 and it was working then smoothly but when i used default Ubuntu way of release then it cause troubles with USB 3 [23:20] penguin42, Ubuntu should make the USB3 and USB2 moduler so that some one can blacklist the usb3 [23:22] IamTrying: It already is [23:23] penguin42, in the default Ubuntu installation you can split the USB controllers yet unless you compile the kernel, if you use black list it does not listen. [23:23] s/you can/you cant [23:24] I think you're using the blacklist wrong, or getting hit by it loading it during boot, I'm fairly sure you can fix that without recompilation [23:24] penguin42, this does not happen in Ubuntu 12.x / 13.x http://www.pcl-developers.org/xhci-hcd-I-hate-you-USB-3-0-and-Primesense-Asus-Xtion-td5707949.html [23:25] penguin42, http://www.pcl-developers.org/xhci-hcd-I-hate-you-USB-3-0-and-Primesense-Asus-Xtion-td5707949.html - black list did not worked for me, then i compiled the kernel to by force not use USB 3 even usb controllers are there `lspci` [23:26] hmm, yes EHCI is built in these days [23:27] IamTrying: I guess since pretty much everything uses it there was no point modularising [23:28] IamTrying: I suspect but don't know that you might be able to disable it with a boot parameter or poking in /sys/bus/usb/drivers [23:31] penguin42, i have tried several way to avoid using new kernel as compiled to just have moduler for xhci and ehci - but i failed, unless i make my hands dirty by compiling a kernel. I will try /sys/bus/usb/drivers see if i can keep the default Ubuntu as it is and just ignore xhci completely cause that is the main culprit for all this issue. [23:37] I'm trying out mir on 13.10 beta, but it is rendering the screen with horizontal black lines dispersed throughout the correct desktop. Does anyone have any ideas on things I could do to fix/troubleshoot this? [23:38] no, but it's probably relevant to state the graphics card [23:38] lspci | grep -i vga [23:38] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Barts XT [Radeon HD 6870]