| AlanBell | happy saturday everyone | 07:40 |
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| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:05 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 08:06 |
| GentileBen | MartijnVdS, are you watching the game today? | 08:09 |
| popey | Morning all | 08:36 |
| * AlanBell gets back to being all web 2.0 with http://exceptionalemails.com/ (feedback appreciated) | 08:40 | |
| AlanBell | oops, didn't mean to say that here, but never mind :) | 08:41 |
| mungbean | making more 8-bit hama stuff :) http://i.imgur.com/3YcCQ11.jpg?1 | 09:06 |
| popey | hah, nice | 09:07 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 09:09 |
| mungbean | gonna have to get the light box out of the loft this w/end | 09:12 |
| mungbean | noticing the gloominess already in my energy levels | 09:12 |
| brobostigon | SAD ? | 09:14 |
| mungbean | who doesn't notice it? | 09:17 |
| mungbean | i assume everyone does. the sunlight energises me | 09:17 |
| mungbean | feel wasted last couple of days , | 09:17 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| bigcalm | Good 2nd morning peeps :) | 09:37 |
| brobostigon | morning bigcalm | 09:38 |
| brobostigon | mungbean: i think i sleep better, with less bright sun in my eyes. | 09:38 |
| mungbean | yes, i use eyepatches to sleep | 09:39 |
| brobostigon | that works. | 09:40 |
| mungbean | but i have to get up to feed baby or reposition my boy in his bed mulitple times per night :( | 09:40 |
| mungbean | 4 hours unbroken sleep is something to strive for | 09:40 |
| brobostigon | :( | 09:41 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| mungbean | my 3yr old is using unity lol | 11:16 |
| mungbean | siwtching tasks, running clementine, choosing tracks/pausing | 11:16 |
| penguin42 | hehe good, so when do you teach them to code :-) | 11:19 |
| mungbean | when he can play minecraft | 11:25 |
| * AlanBell has been installing minecraft mods to keep offspring happy | 11:27 | |
| MartijnVdS | ♫ You gotta keep'em separated ? | 13:19 |
| daftykins | 8D | 13:20 |
| daftykins | Offspring \o/ | 13:20 |
| bubu | hey guys, how can I dpkg -i a .deb package and pass in options so that all the defaults are accepted during install? | 14:32 |
| funkyHat | bubu: DEBIAN_PRIORITY=high dpkg ... | 14:48 |
| funkyHat | bubu: or critical (bear in mind that even with critical it will still ask you for "critical" questions... there aren't many of those though | 14:49 |
| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| * AlanBell finds a copy of the original SUN microsystems Java whitepaper from 1995 | 15:03 | |
| bashrc | Are there any mobile boradband USB adapters which work especially well with ubuntu? | 16:45 |
| brobostigon | androids tethering seems to work well. | 16:47 |
| bashrc | is that tethering to a mobile phone? | 16:48 |
| dwatkins | bashrc: I have a Vodafone Huawei one which seemed to work fine, although I'm not sure if its firmware also sends data to the manufacturer. | 16:48 |
| bashrc | so I could become a cosmopolitan cafe dweller and yet still be on the internets | 16:50 |
| dwatkins | You might want to check that tethering is allowed on your mobile contract, bashrc - sometimes it's not. | 16:50 |
| bashrc | I wouldn't try to tether, I'd just get a USB adapter | 16:51 |
| dwatkins | I tether all the time on my Three phone. | 16:52 |
| dwatkins | well, not "all" the time, just quite a lot. | 16:52 |
| brobostigon | me also. | 16:52 |
| bashrc | I guess I'll just have to get one and see if it works | 16:53 |
| dex90_ | /join #ubuntu | 17:12 |
| dex90_ | exit | 17:13 |
| SuperEngineer | Dr. Who "best of" tonight - beeb1 7->7.30pm .... sounds fun | 17:34 |
| brobostigon | yep. | 17:34 |
| SuperEngineer | :) | 17:34 |
| brobostigon | :) | 17:35 |
| SuperEngineer | just spent 1 boring hour clearing rubbish from WinXP partion.. and that was their best yet? | 17:36 |
| SuperEngineer | [old apps - registry - shortcuts -defrag ad infinitum | 17:36 |
| * SuperEngineer yawns | 17:37 | |
| SuperEngineer | Dr. Who time folks ;) | 18:00 |
| SuperEngineer | just realised earlier line should show beeb£ 1111 whoopos ;) | 18:02 |
| SuperEngineer | *beeb3 | 18:02 |
| brobostigon | bbc3* | 18:04 |
| === philly is now known as Guest7877 | ||
| ali1234 | so... semantic filesystems... do we actually have one on ubuntu, and the tools to make use of it? | 20:13 |
| penguin42 | wth is a semantic filesystem? | 20:14 |
| daftykins | ^ | 20:15 |
| ali1234 | well, normal filesystems are heirarchical - they use directories, sub directories | 20:15 |
| ali1234 | and files can only be in once place | 20:16 |
| ali1234 | (hardlinks don't count cos they look like different files to most applications) | 20:16 |
| ali1234 | a semantic filesystem doesn't have directories | 20:16 |
| penguin42 | ok, so what does it look like? | 20:16 |
| ali1234 | generally they use tags | 20:16 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: How would you like to access it with conventional posix calls? | 20:17 |
| ali1234 | well it can be mapped into a heirarchy | 20:17 |
| ali1234 | each tag can be a directory | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | then files will show up in multiple places | 20:18 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Sounds like something you could do with FUSE? | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | perhaps | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | the point is that you don't access it the way you'd access a normal filesystem | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | there is no cd | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | therefore there is no ls either | 20:19 |
| penguin42 | looks like there are a few around | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | so you need a whole new set of tools to really make use of it | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | just having the filesystem is one thing, but it needs tools to be useful | 20:19 |
| penguin42 | http://www.tagsistant.net/download for example | 20:19 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Yeh I mean you really need to rework things like the GUIs that open files | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | yeah you would | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | well, maybe not | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | i mean, the biggest challenge is getting all your files into such a system, and then tagging them all correctly | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | once that is done, you can access it by mapping back into a heirarchy | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | so you don't need to reword existing tools... just need new ones | 20:21 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Well I think there are tag schemes already, and auto-indexers etc - so then you just need to wire the search things to look for those - but you need to change the 'save' dialog | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | yeah, true | 20:21 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Like if you were writing a document and you hit save you need to do something different | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | yes, you need it to ask for tags | 20:21 |
| penguin42 | or auto generate from content? | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | nah, automating it defeats the purpose | 20:22 |
| penguin42 | why? | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | the whole point is that human can categorize things better than the computer | 20:22 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Really? | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | yeah, really | 20:22 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Probably true, but it's not a bad goal to suggest some - like G+ does when you post | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | ok, but what about multiple files? | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | like for example a source code directory? | 20:23 |
| penguin42 | oh how you put source code in a system like that is a good question | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | well the answer certainly isn't "let the computer guess what to do" | 20:24 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: well you probably have a project name in files in the source tree - e.g. in the metadata config | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | "probably" | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | now think about writing an auto-indexer that can recognise any open source project's source tree and tag it appropriately... | 20:25 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Well yeh, but it would be reasonable for it to suggest that; and say working in something like Eclipse you're dealing with source in your project, and adding code to classes etc - so in principal you don't need to think about files | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | it's too late for that | 20:26 |
| penguin42 | well yeh | 20:26 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: But I think it's reasonable to provide a set of hints - and let a human add more | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | imagine a command like "file" but for directories... | 20:27 |
| penguin42 | certainly it's easy to recognise say class names | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | what language? | 20:29 |
| penguin42 | C++/Java any of the OO ones | 20:29 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I think there are already libraries/code out there to do that | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | well file will tell you the language, maybe | 20:29 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I'm thinking of the syntax highlighters, and ctags like code | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | but i think it would be faster to just go through and tag it by hand | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | humans are still better at pattern recognition than computers | 20:30 |
| penguin42 | yeh but source is typically pretty well structured - or it should be taken out and shot | 20:31 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I mean yeh good luck trying to extract a tag from a perl file :-) | 20:32 |
| penguin42 | (although there is perldoc) | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | even if you can detect the language you still don't know what it actually does | 20:32 |
| penguin42 | no, but you can extract a class name | 20:33 |
| Monotoko | bah, I hate Saturday night upgrades | 23:00 |
| penguin42 | saturday night's for fighting with apt? | 23:01 |
| dutchie | ugh | 23:20 |
| dutchie | why is there no confirmation for suspend | 23:20 |
| dutchie | second time now i've hit suspend when i meant to shut down | 23:21 |
| dutchie | it's really rather annoying | 23:21 |
| penguin42 | dutchie: Normally because it's quickly reversable and people want to do it quickly and run out of the house with their laptop | 23:22 |
| dutchie | it's not that quick | 23:23 |
| dutchie | it's slow enough to be really annoying | 23:23 |
| penguin42 | is anyone else seeing a block of junk on ebay's front page as the 1st of the 5 rotating adverts at the top? | 23:30 |
| penguin42 | hmm, fixed on reload - very very odd | 23:31 |
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