[00:16] <belkinsa> Is the ReCo leader for the Butler county still active?
[00:44] <canthus13> there's a reloco for butler county?
[00:44] <belkinsa> Based on the wiki page, yes.
[00:45] <canthus13> huh.
[00:45] <canthus13> I'm the reloco lead for Toledo... but there's no reloco here. :P
[00:46] <belkinsa> I think the idea might be dead.
[00:46] <canthus13> yeah... kinda.
[00:46] <belkinsa> (I think the wiki pages need to updated)
[00:51] <Unit193> Delete all the things!
[00:56] <Unit193> Hrm, TheErk may be alive somewhere.
[01:28] <skellat> As I have noted separately via e-mail, there will be no keysigning effort on Saturday.  Sometimes you just run out of hours in the day to pull things together.
[01:29] <skellat> UbuCon went well and I hope to see everybody who can show up tomorrow at the Ubuntu Ohio table.
[01:30] <Unit193> Hope anyone that does make it has fun.
[01:49] <belkinsa> Yes.  I send my wishes too.
[10:54] <dzho> I was wondering into and out of the ubucon room yesterday.
[10:55] <dzho> was torn between the ceph+openstack talk and jorge's but ended up staying in his because, well, entertaining
[10:55] <dzho> anyway, I'm going to be sporting the RUN GCC shirt so, if you see it, say "hi"
[12:00] <skellat> For those in the area of OLF today...keeping a WiFi connection is a bit perilous to say the least.  I'll not be able to stay on IRC but you'll be able to find me in the exhibition area.
[12:54] <belkinsa> Does anyone know if the team "Ubuntu Brainstorm" is active?
[12:58] <belkinsa> Never mind, got my answer
[13:58] <drkokandy> Jono Bacon talk starting in 3 minutes. anyone in IRC-land want me to try to post what he talks about
[13:58] <drkokandy> ?
[13:59] <belkinsa> Sure.
[14:00] <drkokandy> About to get started
[14:01] <drkokandy> Introducing himself, background on what he does at Canonical
[14:01] <drkokandy> Jorge Castro is also here and will give a talk on Juju later today
[14:02] <drkokandy> Book on The Art of Community available as an ebook from O'Reilly
[14:02] <drkokandy> Unlike last time, there will be no nudity in the presentation
[14:02] <belkinsa> He did?  Lol.
[14:03] <drkokandy> Frequently we hear "This is the year of the Linux desktop"
[14:03] <drkokandy> Apparently last time he had someone moon the audience
[14:03] <belkinsa> Oh.
[14:03] <belkinsa> Will these talks be online?
[14:03] <drkokandy> they're being recorded, but the last ones I've seen posted online are from circa 2008
[14:04] <belkinsa> Okay, thank you.
[14:04] <drkokandy> "Year of the Linux Desktop" is about getting over the hurdle of adoption
[14:04] <drkokandy> Moving to a convergent future with Ubuntu - TV, Computer, Tablet, Phone, Server
[14:05] <drkokandy> talking about building Ubuntu for "beige box" computers - foundations of building something really good was there even if Ubuntu was "crap" in those days (retrospectively)
[14:06] <drkokandy> Back then, Canonical was building toward the server, but as an afterthought
[14:07] <drkokandy> Today we will be talking mostly about client-side
[14:08] <drkokandy> As community grew, with UDS every 6 months. products started changing. Had more identity to it - recognizeably Ubuntu
[14:10] <drkokandy> Around the time of the brown-themed Ubuntu, their goal was to become the choice of the Linux enthusiast. Problem was the chasm of gap from being a choice for Early Adopters to get the "Early Majority " to use Ubuntu - people like Jono's mom, etc
[14:11] <drkokandy> For Jono, freedom means nothing if people can't USE the software - real free software should be accessible to everyone, even non-tech-savvy people. That's when technology REALLy enables people
[14:11] <drkokandy> To do this, Jono's team needed to challenge themselves
[14:11] <drkokandy> Design, marketing, sales - all these pieces needed to come together
[14:12] <drkokandy> Around this time, thought changed from "the Ubuntu project" to thinking about it as "the Ubuntu PRODUCT" - simplifying, etc
[14:12] <drkokandy> building something for general purpose use
[14:13] <drkokandy> The Ubuntu philosophy drives the way forward
[14:14] <drkokandy> Referencing this - http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy
[14:14] <jenni> [ Our Philosophy | About Ubuntu | Ubuntu ] - https://j.mp/165IoU1
[14:14] <drkokandy> at UDS in Orlando, going over one design on all platforms.
[14:15] <drkokandy> Not just on the desktop
[14:15] <drkokandy> First platform shown off was TV in Las Vegas in CES
[14:15] <drkokandy> demonstrating how the TV still looked like Ubuntu - similar design principles, launcher, colors, etc
[14:16] <drkokandy> 2nd, Ubuntu for Android - Dock an Android phone, boot full Ubuntu desktop
[14:17] <drkokandy> The entire Debian archive will run on an ARM chip through Ubuntu for Android? (this is news to me)
[14:17] <drkokandy> Ubuntu phone was the last platform announced - incredible amounts of interest in Ubuntu Phone
[14:17] <drkokandy> Offering to show off his phone later
[14:18] <drkokandy> David & Goliath picture - how will you go up against Apple and Android? But just a few years before it had been "How will Apple go up against Blackberry and Nokia?"
[14:18] <drkokandy> Ubuntu community much more open than Android community - can take months & months to get a patch into Android
[14:19] <drkokandy> Finally, announced the tablet
[14:19] <drkokandy> Not JUST that they have different UIs, but also that it's the same code framework - same packaging, same base code, same app groups etc
[14:20] <drkokandy> Connected through Ubuntu One storage to sync from cloud to phone to computer and TV, etc
[14:20] <drkokandy> Video of the Ubuntu phone
[14:21] <drkokandy> I think I've seen this video before - don't think it's new
[14:21] <drkokandy> 95% of what was demoed in the video is already ready. Works now
[14:22] <drkokandy> Going over phone features
[14:22] <drkokandy> Attractive & personal first glance
[14:22] <drkokandy> No buttons needed - using the edges to swipe in
[14:22] <drkokandy> this is good for manufacturers who want a low bill of materials, because buttons cost money
[14:23] <drkokandy> Going over all swiping options - too quickly to type
[14:23] <belkinsa> That's going to be hard to get used to, swiping on the sides not any bottons.
[14:23] <belkinsa> buttons*
[14:23] <drkokandy> yeah
[14:24] <drkokandy> seems like it wouldn't take too long to get used to - the side that you swipe in from is significant
[14:24] <belkinsa> Though the new version of Android has it.
[14:24] <drkokandy> true
[14:25] <drkokandy> this goes over most of the swipe options - http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/design - although he had a handy infographic I wish I'd taken a snapshot of
[14:25] <jenni> [ Design and user experience | Ubuntu for phones | Ubuntu ] - https://j.mp/14PuSsp
[14:25] <drkokandy> Daily images - can flash the image on a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4 device
[14:26] <drkokandy> Not everything is working - but get all the updates
[14:26] <drkokandy> Over-the-Air
[14:26] <belkinsa> That's good.
[14:26] <drkokandy> set up a forum on XDA Developers, and had 1500 posts within 2 days
[14:26] <drkokandy> (for Ubuntu touch)
[14:27] <belkinsa> I saw that part of the forum...I had to get a new custom ROM for mine.
[14:27] <drkokandy> Building tools to set up an appropriate file system and "fart around" with all the other things necessary to flash the image to a Galaxy S3 or etc
[14:27] <drkokandy> wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[14:28] <drkokandy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices shows what is compatible
[14:28] <jenni> [ Touch/Devices - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/165LaZh
[14:28] <drkokandy> there's a lot more there than I had expected
[14:29] <drkokandy> Working on all the stages to get from Idea to Release: Tools, Knowledge, Support, Packaging, and Publishing
[14:29] <drkokandy> Tools - what do I write my app in? Several toolkits available for app developers
[14:30] <drkokandy> Where do I go for knowledge? Go to GTK knowledge base, for example
[14:30] <drkokandy> Where do I go for support? Ask Ubuntu is mostly users
[14:30] <drkokandy> How do I package my app for Ubuntu Touch? Need to be a Debian developer, and can only develop every 6 months
[14:30] <drkokandy> How do I publish? Ubuntu Software Center has fixed this
[14:31] <drkokandy> But they're doing a lot to improve what sucks about every set of these
[14:31] <drkokandy> building an SDK - http://developer.ubuntu.com
[14:31] <jenni> [ Ubuntu App Developer ] - https://j.mp/14PvRc5
[14:32] <drkokandy> can use Qt/QML, HTML5, OpenGL, Online Services (add code to a website to integrate it into the phone), Scopes (where the Ubuntu Dash searches)
[14:32] <drkokandy> Smart Scopes service will ship with 13.10 or 14.04 (I missed which he said)
[14:34] <drkokandy> Redeveloping http://developer.ubuntu.com with tutorials, guides, API documentation, support channels, cookbooks, and easy publishing (that doesn't require Debian packaging and weeks of review for every application)
[14:34] <jenni> [ Ubuntu App Developer ] - https://j.mp/14PvRc5
[14:35] <drkokandy> built full app confinement using a new package type called Click - essentially a zip file. Click a button in SDK, declare needed permissions, and that gets reviewed in about 10 mins
[14:36] <drkokandy> can't do apt-get update / upgrade on a phone - takes too long. Click packages on the server just appear. Operating system level things will still use apt, but apps will not need that
[14:36] <drkokandy> Sounds handy
[14:36] <drkokandy> "Core apps" project included the community
[14:36] <belkinsa> It does
[14:37] <drkokandy> 1500 people filled out the form to help out with Core Apps (admittedly, most had more enthusiasm than experience)
[14:37] <drkokandy> still recruited 300 to assist with building core apps
[14:37] <belkinsa> Wow.
[14:38] <drkokandy> took care of the project management for them, so these 300 volunteer developers could focus only on writing code
[14:38] <belkinsa> Jono did?  That's a good move.
[14:38] <drkokandy> Jono and his team, yeah
[14:39] <drkokandy> All the apps are already done and on the phone, despite the fact that the SDK (still in beta) was not available yet
[14:39] <drkokandy> *All the core apps identified by the team
[14:41] <drkokandy> This team has a different community dynamic, free of Weyland vs Mir and Chromium vs Firefox - they don't care about that necessarily
[14:41] <drkokandy> Ubuntu app showdown is going well - reaching critical mass, getting added to the store
[14:41] <drkokandy> Ubuntu Phone will be Ready 10 Oct, 2013
[14:41] <drkokandy> (this may be news. not sure)
[14:41] <belkinsa> Sounds like news.
[14:41] <drkokandy> Oh, sorry
[14:41] <drkokandy> October 2013
[14:42] <belkinsa> But didn't the kickstarter fail?
[14:42] <drkokandy> the 10 was 1.0
[14:42] <belkinsa> Or was that for a complete Ubuntu phone without a second system?
[14:43] <drkokandy> This is for the Ubuntu Touch system, which would be complete. He said earlier that it's 95% functional, but it will be 100% functional by Oct and released as a 1.0 version
[14:43] <drkokandy> he said about 5 weeks, so maybe more like late October
[14:43] <drkokandy> Question time
[14:43] <drkokandy> Of course the first question was about Edge.
[14:44] <belkinsa> Oh, right the Egde was that kickstarter project.
[14:44] <drkokandy> Yes
[14:44] <drkokandy> Since they didn't raise all the money, the Edge won't be built. But, they still got a lot of publicity (Jono says about $12 million of publicity out of it)
[14:46] <belkinsa> Yeah, I heard.  I think the main problem is the fact of no competition for something like that.
[14:46] <drkokandy> Question 2: How will you be able to make sure you can push updates to users, so that Ubuntu Touch is kept up-to-date better than Android
[14:46] <drkokandy> ?
[14:46] <drkokandy> And I think they anticipated that - they wanted to make a superphone for testing
[14:46] <belkinsa> I see.
[14:47] <drkokandy> I think they called it "Formula One" style - way ahead of where consumer cars are, but where the technology is tested
[14:48] <drkokandy> Jono doesn't seem very optimistic that carriers will allow updates to Ubuntu Touch without their slow-moving review :-(
[14:48] <belkinsa> Who is their is this case?
[14:49] <drkokandy> carriers like AT&T or Verizon
[14:49] <belkinsa> I see and what does "slow-moving" review mean?
[14:50] <drkokandy> Just like carriers claim they need to review changes when there's a new version of Android
[14:51] <belkinsa> Ah.
[14:51] <drkokandy> which is why it takes so long to get the upgrade from Ice Cream Sandwich to Jelly Bean on a phone
[14:51] <belkinsa> I see.
[14:51] <drkokandy> Last question was about security on a the phone
[14:52] <drkokandy> Jono makes the point that Ubuntu has its security, which it's had for years, and there will be no changes to that for the phone. Also talked about the Click packaging system which essentially isolates the app
[14:53] <drkokandy> Sounds like it should be much more secure than Android
[14:53] <belkinsa> It does.
[14:53] <drkokandy> (at least, it sounds like)
[14:53] <drkokandy> But I've been using Android for years and have never had an issue
[14:53] <belkinsa> Same, but for me not heavy use.
[14:53] <drkokandy> just need to know what not to install and not to put on untrusted, shady APKs
[14:54] <belkinsa> I know.
[14:54] <drkokandy> That wraps up the session :-)
[14:54] <belkinsa> But what scares me more for some reason is the call ID permission that many have.
[14:54] <belkinsa> Thank you for posting what was going on.
[14:55] <drkokandy> no problem - hope my notes were legible
[14:55] <belkinsa> They were.
[14:55] <drkokandy> I was planning to take notes anyway, so I figured I'd offer to post them in the IRC
[23:16] <thafreak> what'd I miss?
[23:17] <belkinsa> drkokandy went to Jono's talk at OLF and told us what happened.
[23:20] <thafreak> ah...he must have been one of the people crowding around jono after the talk
[23:20] <Unit193> He should have it in scrollback. ;)
[23:20] <thafreak> i do :)
[23:20] <paultag> Heh, Jono.
[23:21] <paultag> he's been under some stress lately.
[23:21] <belkinsa> I wonder if he was in that crowd....he didn't say it
[23:21] <paultag> I wonder if the security emphasys was about how fucked up Mir was
[23:21] <paultag> emphasis
[23:21] <paultag> too much unix
[23:22] <paultag> c.f. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/27327.html
[23:23] <jenni> [ mjg59 | If you ever use text VTs, don't run XMir right now ] - https://j.mp/15tDYtt
[23:23] <thafreak> i don't like the title of that
[23:23] <Unit193> Eh, Jono is PR.
[23:23] <paultag> It's a massive security nightmare
[23:23] <paultag> so It's not shocking he was tyring to tell people it's "secure"
[23:24] <thafreak> Raise of hands, anyone in here at OLF and sticking around after want to get dinner?
[23:32] <thafreak> well...if anyone is around and hcecks in....hit me up on google+
[23:38] <thafreak> ]