| elfy | sound indicator seems to be working again | 05:54 |
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| Unit193 | Really? Recent updates, scroll wheel? | 05:57 |
| elfy | just updated | 05:58 |
| elfy | yep - scoll wheel | 05:58 |
| Unit193 | Yes! \o/ | 05:58 |
| elfy | also I noticed yesterday that tbird new mails get indicated | 05:58 |
| elfy | I'd forgotten all about those | 05:58 |
| elfy | and a reboot stops the sound thing working | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | elfy: i just upgraded, it doesn't work in gtk3 indicators | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | tbird mail indications working/not working is probably the same bug as with pidgin, which i think is bug 1203888 | 16:03 |
| ubottu | bug 1203888 in libappindicator (Ubuntu) "appindicator doesn't work in Saucy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203888 | 16:03 |
| elfy | using the default indicators here | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | appindicator is same whether you use gtk2/3 | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | because it's on dbus | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | i suppose the problem could be in gtk | 16:04 |
| elfy | maybe so - no idea :) | 16:04 |
| elfy | not usre why the thing was working this morning | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | if you run killall blueman-applet and then blueman-applet in terminal, do you see that gtk error? | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | "signal 'child-added' is invalid for instance '0x193d0b0' of type 'GtkMenu'" | 16:05 |
| elfy | I disable blueman | 16:05 |
| elfy | I Can check though | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | anything that uses appindicator really | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | indicator-cpufreq, glipper | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | or even the example code i put on the bug (the second one) | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | what it seems like is because the signal is invalid, the indicator doesn't update when the client changes it's menus | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | eg because there's a new message from tbird or whatever | 16:07 |
| brainwash_ | appindicator is not an requirement, it's just an enhancement, right? | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | (child-added refers to adding/updating a menu item) | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | appindicator is how many apps make indicators | 16:07 |
| elfy | I know that if I edit the service to Exec=/usr/lib/indicator-sound-gtk2/indicator-sound-service | 16:08 |
| elfy | it works | 16:08 |
| brainwash_ | like nm-applet? | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | yeah, nm-applet uses it | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | though i haven't see any problems with it | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | but it might be the case if a new wireless access point comes online it might not get added to the menu | 16:08 |
| brainwash_ | but nm-applet would still show up, if appindicator is missing, right? | 16:08 |
| elfy | ali1234: also - I think the reason I started noticing tbird notifications is this is a new install and I'd not set notifications to 1 second from 10 | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | brainwash_: if appindicator is missing it won't show up, but that isn't the bug | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | the bug is that the menus can't be changed once the indicator is created | 16:09 |
| brainwash_ | I know, just wanted to understand what appindicator actually does | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | and some indicators create a empty menu and then try to add items after | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | others just update them when some event happens and that is also broken | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | well, to see what appindicator does, just check the minimal test case on the bug ^ | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | it's also the simplest way to create an indicator in python | 16:10 |
| elfy | is that what's causing the sound indicator to fail? | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | if you run that code it makes an indicator with "One" menu item and then adds a second menu item "Two" - in saucy you never see "Two" | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | elfy: no sound indicator is a different bug afaik | 16:11 |
| ali1234 | sound indicator works ok with gtk3 except for the scroll wheel on the icon bug | 16:11 |
| elfy | ok - well I'd not notice a blueman one - even if I had it enabled as I don't have any bluetooth things to notice it with :p | 16:11 |
| elfy | ali1234: well that kind of makes that as bad as not working at all lol | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | why? | 16:12 |
| elfy | because that's what people use it for :) | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | you can still change the volume by clcking on it, it still shows the current sound status and all the menu items work | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | and you can see eg rhythmbox current song and skip tracks | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | mouse wheel over the menu even works, only over the icon doesn't work | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | and it is broken exactly the same in unity anyway | 16:13 |
| elfy | it might well be - I'm not pointing fingers | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | every bug remaining with gtk3 indicators also affects unity | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | so there's nothing we can do with our side | 16:14 |
| elfy | are we going to actually definitely going to gtk3 by release of 13.10? | 16:14 |
| elfy | indicators | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | i think the plan is to put it in backports | 16:14 |
| ali1234 | and then include it in 14.04 | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | but it's not up to me | 16:15 |
| elfy | so we need to have gtk2 working as well then I assume | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | well | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | there's only like two gtk2 indicators left, sound is one of them | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | the other is appindicator | 16:15 |
| elfy | I know | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | if appindicator is broken on gtk2 i suggest to start with the example test code | 16:16 |
| elfy | the fix is easy enough to get sound one working | 16:16 |
| elfy | ali1234: anyway thanks for the info | 16:18 |
| Unit193 | ali1234: Oooh! Using grml-rescueboot now too? :D | 18:14 |
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