[05:54] sound indicator seems to be working again [05:57] Really? Recent updates, scroll wheel? [05:58] just updated [05:58] yep - scoll wheel [05:58] Yes! \o/ [05:58] also I noticed yesterday that tbird new mails get indicated [05:58] I'd forgotten all about those [15:25] and a reboot stops the sound thing working [16:02] elfy: i just upgraded, it doesn't work in gtk3 indicators [16:03] tbird mail indications working/not working is probably the same bug as with pidgin, which i think is bug 1203888 [16:03] bug 1203888 in libappindicator (Ubuntu) "appindicator doesn't work in Saucy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203888 [16:04] using the default indicators here [16:04] appindicator is same whether you use gtk2/3 [16:04] because it's on dbus [16:04] i suppose the problem could be in gtk [16:04] maybe so - no idea :) [16:04] not usre why the thing was working this morning [16:05] if you run killall blueman-applet and then blueman-applet in terminal, do you see that gtk error? [16:05] "signal 'child-added' is invalid for instance '0x193d0b0' of type 'GtkMenu'" [16:05] I disable blueman [16:05] I Can check though [16:06] anything that uses appindicator really [16:06] indicator-cpufreq, glipper [16:06] or even the example code i put on the bug (the second one) [16:06] what it seems like is because the signal is invalid, the indicator doesn't update when the client changes it's menus [16:07] eg because there's a new message from tbird or whatever [16:07] appindicator is not an requirement, it's just an enhancement, right? [16:07] (child-added refers to adding/updating a menu item) [16:07] appindicator is how many apps make indicators [16:08] I know that if I edit the service to Exec=/usr/lib/indicator-sound-gtk2/indicator-sound-service [16:08] it works [16:08] like nm-applet? [16:08] yeah, nm-applet uses it [16:08] though i haven't see any problems with it [16:08] but it might be the case if a new wireless access point comes online it might not get added to the menu [16:08] but nm-applet would still show up, if appindicator is missing, right? [16:08] ali1234: also - I think the reason I started noticing tbird notifications is this is a new install and I'd not set notifications to 1 second from 10 [16:09] brainwash_: if appindicator is missing it won't show up, but that isn't the bug [16:09] the bug is that the menus can't be changed once the indicator is created [16:09] I know, just wanted to understand what appindicator actually does [16:09] and some indicators create a empty menu and then try to add items after [16:09] others just update them when some event happens and that is also broken [16:10] well, to see what appindicator does, just check the minimal test case on the bug ^ [16:10] it's also the simplest way to create an indicator in python [16:10] is that what's causing the sound indicator to fail? [16:10] if you run that code it makes an indicator with "One" menu item and then adds a second menu item "Two" - in saucy you never see "Two" [16:11] elfy: no sound indicator is a different bug afaik [16:11] sound indicator works ok with gtk3 except for the scroll wheel on the icon bug [16:11] ok - well I'd not notice a blueman one - even if I had it enabled as I don't have any bluetooth things to notice it with :p [16:12] ali1234: well that kind of makes that as bad as not working at all lol [16:12] why? [16:12] because that's what people use it for :) [16:12] you can still change the volume by clcking on it, it still shows the current sound status and all the menu items work [16:13] and you can see eg rhythmbox current song and skip tracks [16:13] mouse wheel over the menu even works, only over the icon doesn't work [16:13] and it is broken exactly the same in unity anyway [16:13] it might well be - I'm not pointing fingers [16:13] every bug remaining with gtk3 indicators also affects unity [16:14] so there's nothing we can do with our side [16:14] are we going to actually definitely going to gtk3 by release of 13.10? [16:14] indicators [16:14] i think the plan is to put it in backports [16:15] and then include it in 14.04 [16:15] but it's not up to me [16:15] so we need to have gtk2 working as well then I assume [16:15] well [16:15] there's only like two gtk2 indicators left, sound is one of them [16:15] the other is appindicator [16:15] I know [16:16] if appindicator is broken on gtk2 i suggest to start with the example test code [16:16] the fix is easy enough to get sound one working [16:18] ali1234: anyway thanks for the info [18:14] ali1234: Oooh! Using grml-rescueboot now too? :D