[05:48] <ElectricPrism> need to buy a new video card, want it to be a kind in the center of mir development, will Nvidia 6/7 do?
[06:00] <fhedstrom> When i upgraded to 13.10 beta it doesnt seem to load the correct intel drivers. Always when I start up i get "Low resolution" warning but then it starts lightdm and x as usual. But in settings->about in x it says Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.2, 128 bits) and not intel...
[12:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:05] <penguin42> Hey BK
[13:22] <SuperLag> wow... USB cameras? for that??
[13:22] <SuperLag> even if it was more expensive, I'd have got the network route
[13:22] <SuperLag> way more reliable
[13:22] <penguin42> SuperLag: Now I know why you're called SuperLag
[13:22] <SuperLag> s/gone/got
[13:23] <SuperLag> penguin42: SuperLurk is probably more appropriate :)
[13:23] <SuperLag> and I'm just reading yesterday's buffer
[13:23] <SuperLag> (thank you, irssi)
[13:25] <SuperLag> penguin42: well... I didn't think many people had their screen names as long as I've had mine, but you've got me beat. :)
[13:25] <SuperLag> 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on SuperLag (account SuperLag):
[13:25] <SuperLag> 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : May 09 03:43:54 2003 (10 years, 18 weeks, 6 days, 09:40:25 ago)
[13:26] <SuperLag> I used that nick, because the place I was working when I registered... they had 3 T-1 lines coming in, but it was sooooo saturated, that it was slower than the dialup I had at home, at the time.
[13:26] <penguin42> hmm when did I register mine?
[13:26] <SuperLag> Then cable got brought into town and that changed everything
[13:26] <SuperLag> 12+ years ago
[13:26] <penguin42> hehe
[13:27] <SuperLag> 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on penguin42 (account penguin42):
[13:27] <SuperLag> 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : May 26 22:54:58 2001 (12 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 14:29:10 ago)
[13:27] <penguin42> hmm as late as that
[13:27] <SuperLag> old fart :D
[13:27] <penguin42> hehe yes
[13:27]  * SuperLag wonders if penguin42 is older than him...
[13:28] <SuperLag> I will hit 40 in November
[13:28]  * penguin42 is older, I'm currently working upto matching the number in my nick
[13:28] <SuperLag> hah
[13:28] <SuperLag> so I was right
[13:29] <SuperLag> what kind of work do you do?
[13:29] <SuperLag> geek blood in the veins, I'm betting :)
[13:29] <penguin42> a bit of topic for here!  But yeh, programmer
[13:30] <penguin42> but thank you, I noticed that the alias I'd registered my nick with wasn't live any more, just added it back
[13:31] <BluesKaj> yea  SuperLag , Ive had this nick for 14 yrs on irc , differnt servers here and there of course
[13:33] <SuperLag> yeah, I started out on Undernet
[13:34] <penguin42> irc seems quiet these days
[13:36] <BluesKaj> too many twits and text stuff
[13:37] <alankila> text chat, image chat, video chat.
[13:37] <alankila> I wonder what the next big chat will be
[13:38] <alankila> probably some strapped-to-chest video feed you literally never turn off which anyone can watch whenever they want. If that hasn't been invented already.
[13:39] <SuperLag> penguin42: quiet? really?
[13:39] <SuperLag> penguin42: from my perspective it's been buzzing, for years... it will never die :)
[13:39] <SuperLag> penguin42: it's also one of the best places to come, for reliable information
[13:40]  * penguin42 needs to find some other channels then
[13:40] <SuperLag> haha
[13:40] <SuperLag> wait... are you saying you're not a reliable source of information? :D
[13:52] <SuperLag> This channel is certainly more quiet than #ubuntu, but it's still pretty active.
[13:53] <SuperLag> So what do you guys think about the whole "rolling release" proposal? Do you think Ubuntu *should* have gone that route? or is it better the way it is, in your opinions?
[14:00] <penguin42> SuperLag: I don't have a problem with it as long as they don't do it until an LTS boundary, so that people who need machines that work day-to-day aren't forced onto rolling
[14:13] <SuperLag> penguin42: that's what I was thinking, as well. I use Ubuntu in production, and I'd like to be able to continue doing so.
[14:13] <SuperLag> Now... I say that a bit tongue-in-cheek, too, as I've upgraded my personal machine to 13.10b1 :)
[14:21] <penguin42> SuperLag: Well my work laptop is on Quantal
[14:27] <SuperLag> penguin42: that's... that's just.... so OLD :D
[14:28] <penguin42> SuperLag: Yeh but the support period for it is longer (or the same?) as Raring
[14:28] <SuperLag> penguin42: it is nice to have an employer that allows you to run what you want, though :)
[14:28] <penguin42> SuperLag: They don't, but Ubuntu is one of the allowed OSs
[14:28] <SuperLag> haha
[14:29] <SuperLag> penguin42: so what would you be running, if you had your choice?
[14:29] <penguin42> SuperLag: Ubuntu is also what I run on my main home machine, I like apt
[14:30] <SuperLag> me too
[14:31] <SuperLag> a buddy of mine keeps trying to convince me to run Fedora... and I tell him that even after all these years, RPM hell still exists... and the Debian package management is still light years ahead of RPM :)
[14:31] <SuperLag> piss on RPM
[14:31] <SuperLag> that's what I think :)
[14:31] <penguin42> I'm not sure that's as true these days - I've got one machine with openSUSE on, and it's similar (they're only just getting an equivalent of apt-file0
[14:31] <SuperLag> I'll shut up now. That's *definitely* off-topic. :)
[14:32] <SuperLag> penguin42: if I had to run something with RPM on it, I'd stick as close to mainstream as I could... I still do that with Ubuntu, as well, rather than some variant of it
[14:33] <SuperLag> it's just easier to maintain
[14:34] <SuperLag> but yeah... openSUSE still is too far from mainstream for me. They have their own mirrors, and customize things enough that it's not always easy to take an RPM of a package meant for another RPM-based distro and drop it in... and have it just work
[14:35] <SuperLag> I guess, still, that must sound contradictory... as if I *really* wanted mainstream, I'd run Windows... but you get my point, I hope.
[14:35] <SuperLag> I just figure if I'm going to go off the beaten path, I want to make the experience as efficient as possible.
[14:36] <LinuxGol_> iMac :P
[14:36] <SuperLag> I am also a Mac user.
[14:36]  * LinuxGol_ thinks iMac is more mainstereamed now than before.
[14:36] <SuperLag> However, at work, they recently started enforcing the "no personal hardware" policy. So... I got a work-issue ThinkPad.
[14:37] <SuperLag> I wish my MBP had this kind of power and capacity. :)
[14:37] <LinuxGol_> :)
[14:37]  * LinuxGol_ is running iMac late 2012 27" with Ubuntu running in virtualbox
[14:38] <penguin42> SuperLag: Yeh I've got a w520 at work, it's nice and fast, but my shoulders don't like it
[14:38] <LinuxGol_> ubuntu 13.04 Server
[14:38] <SuperLag> None of the current model MBP machines will take 32GB of RAM, or more than a single drive, without mods.
[14:38] <SuperLag> I have 32GB of RAM in this W530 and 3 SSDs
[14:39] <penguin42> SuperLag: How the heck did you get 3 SSDs in? one in the drive slot, one in the ultrabay and ....?
[14:39] <LinuxGol_> nice! I got 8Gb
[14:39] <SuperLag> penguin42: mSATA
[14:39] <ikonia> maybe #ubuntu-offtopic for this discussion ?
[14:39] <LinuxGol_> k
[14:39] <SuperLag> I know, becuase it's soooo busy in here, otherwise :)
[14:40] <ikonia> how busy it is doesn't dictate the topic
[14:41] <SuperLag> /who wouldn't let me get a count.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> well, 13.10 seems to run just fine on this 5 yr old amd 2 core cpu pc with 3G ram ... W7 works real hard compared to Kubuntu on this pc
[14:46] <SuperLag> yeah :)
[14:46] <SuperLag> I've got it on an old Dell at work, too
[14:47] <SuperLag> Now I need to just get smart and keep all my .desktop files for 3rd-party software in ~/.local/share/applications/ so when I upgrade, everything is still there
[14:47] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh with desktop effects off KDE does surprisingly well these days
[14:48] <BluesKaj> til the HW become incompatible with Kubuntu or the thing breaks , I'll keep using it
[14:48] <SuperLag> penguin42: what, and get rid of all the goodies?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> i have an entry level nvidia 8400gs so it carries some of the graphics load
[14:49] <SuperLag> I wish the Ubuntu Edge would have been successfully funded.
[14:50] <SuperLag> When I installed 13.10, one of my concerns was that the Nvidia driver would cause me issues.
[14:50] <SuperLag> thankfully, none of that
[14:50] <BluesKaj> desktop effects run just fine on this pc
[14:51] <BluesKaj> I don't have a lot of effects turned on , desktop cube animation is about the only real effect that's obvious
[14:51] <penguin42> yeh and that doesn't have any effect except during the animation
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:53] <BluesKaj> I blew my buddies away with it on our laptop ...they really liked the idea of multiple virtual desktops
[14:54]  * penguin42 checks which century we're in :-)
[14:54] <BluesKaj> dunno why windows doesn't have that option natively
[14:54]  * penguin42 has been running with a 3x3 desktop layout for 20 years
[14:55] <mibofra> penguin42: hi :) do you remember me?
[14:55] <penguin42> erm no
[14:55] <mibofra> XD I was a bit sure of this xD
[14:56] <mibofra> The guy has got problems with adb and his phone
[14:56] <BluesKaj> well, they aren't eactly luddites , but not knowing about that kind of thing doesn't put them in the last century
[14:58] <mibofra> penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1218625
[14:59] <SuperLag> hah
[14:59] <SuperLag> one of my 13.10 related bugs got marked as a duplicate
[14:59] <SuperLag> and the other one I reported... has since been fixed (but I'm sure it was a duplicate as well)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> heh , kmail has a bug that's been a dupe for 4 yrs now , and it's still not fixed
[15:00] <SuperLag> wow
[15:00] <penguin42> mibofra: SO you found it got fixed?
[15:00] <mibofra> penguin42: err no xD
[15:00] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Only four?
[15:00] <SuperLag> BluesKaj: not enough hands/eyes on it? or not a priority?
[15:00] <SuperLag> uh oh
[15:01] <SuperLag> penguin42: you can top that?
[15:01] <mibofra> After upgrade by upgrade I've noticed a strage thing...
[15:01] <BluesKaj> penguin42, well since I tried to use it after the akonadi/mysql/database thing became part of kmail , yes
[15:03] <BluesKaj> SuperLag, think it's HW/API related, a ghost in the machine kind of thing , difficult to precisely pin down
[15:04] <BluesKaj> random segfaults with no trackable error in var/log/syslog
[15:04] <mibofra> After the last message I've seen the OS stop detecting the phone after a manipulation (upgrade, install o remove) any dkms module
[15:04] <penguin42> SuperLag: bug 330117
[15:09] <penguin42> BluesKaj: They're segs?  Does the backtrace look similar each time?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> penguin42, no , that's why i gave up on kmail , there was no consistent segfault
[15:12] <penguin42> ah, random segs are really hard to debug
[15:12] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What's the bug number?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> tried kmail again a  few weeks ago , it didn't segafault but it froze
[15:13] <BluesKaj> penguin42, dunno
[15:13] <penguin42> but yeh my experience with kmail is it's never been stable; which is a shame
[15:14] <BluesKaj> well glad I'm not on the job and was forced to run a email database with it
[15:15] <BluesKaj> an email datebase that is
[15:16] <BluesKaj> penguin42, before KDE4 kmail was great , I loved it , but it was a regular email client back then
[15:17]  * penguin42 is a mutt user, and has his parents on thunderbird
[15:17] <BluesKaj> uses t-bird
[15:19]  * yofel uses tbird on his eeePC as that can't handle akonadi/nepomuk/mysql all running at the same time
[15:19] <yofel> rest of the time I'm on kmail, works fine
[15:19] <yofel> well, "fine"
[15:19] <yofel> sometimes doesn't send emails unless the agent is restarted, but that's all
[15:38] <BluesKaj> yofel, somebosy claimed that akonadi server doesn't use much cpu , I thought it was lagging my system when I tried kmail but it could have been the bugs
[15:40] <penguin42> on things with spinny rust I think it's the disk IO impact that's the bigger problem
[15:40] <yofel> well, that by itself not, but I was once wondering why my system slowed down suddenly while I was running virtualbox, and found mysql, akonadiserver, akonadi_nepomuk_feeder and virtuoso-t using up ~200% CPU in total
[15:41] <yofel> probably indexing mails, but that's a bit much...
[15:42] <BluesKaj> nepomuk to me is parasitic
[15:42] <yofel> well, you can turn that off, but then kmail is no fun and complains about nepomuk not running which is annoying
[15:42]  * yofel -> dinner
[15:43] <BluesKaj> yeah , it's off
[17:38] <alankila> oh nice, ubuntu 13.10 seems to give me vsync'd screen updates somehow
[17:39] <alankila> animations are noticeably smoother and browser doesn't tear on screen anymore when scrolling. Nice.
[22:06] <pepee> so, there is no other way to do this in ubuntu saucy? https://plus.google.com/107558083186116705038/posts/hg5o8ejXkXX
[22:27] <brainwash_> pepee: build from source or install the package built for raring
[22:28] <pepee> yeah, I mean, will it be possible to do it from official repos?
[22:28] <brainwash_> and/or contact the ppa author
[22:29] <brainwash_> pepee: does a bug report exist about including the vdpau drivers?
[22:29] <pepee> no idea...
[22:31] <pepee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1002224
[22:31] <pepee>  status: 	Won't Fix → In Progress
[22:32] <brainwash_> yeah, but there doesn't seem to be any "progress" :/
[22:33] <brainwash_> and saucy will be released soon
[22:33] <pepee> yup, looking at the list of packages, there is none with that name
[22:33] <pepee> https://launchpad.net/~tjaalton/+related-packages
[22:35] <brainwash_> I assume that the maintainer of https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/ will offer saucy packages at some point eventually
[22:35] <pepee> we should invite tjaalton to this channel :P
[22:40] <brainwash_> currently I'm using my low end intel gpu only, so I don't really care that much about these extra drivers
[22:41] <pepee> btw, what gpu?
[22:42] <pepee> I got a 4200mhd, and I want to know about HW decoding... where should I look?
[22:42] <brainwash_> gen 4, intel gma 4500 hd
[22:43] <brainwash_> 4200?
[22:45] <pepee> err, yeah, 4500mhd
[22:46] <brainwash_> oh, same gpu then :)
[22:46] <brainwash_> my 2nd one is low end too.. AMD HD4330