| ElectricPrism | need to buy a new video card, want it to be a kind in the center of mir development, will Nvidia 6/7 do? | 05:48 |
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| fhedstrom | When i upgraded to 13.10 beta it doesnt seem to load the correct intel drivers. Always when I start up i get "Low resolution" warning but then it starts lightdm and x as usual. But in settings->about in x it says Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.2, 128 bits) and not intel... | 06:00 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 12:38 |
| penguin42 | Hey BK | 13:05 |
| SuperLag | wow... USB cameras? for that?? | 13:22 |
| SuperLag | even if it was more expensive, I'd have got the network route | 13:22 |
| SuperLag | way more reliable | 13:22 |
| penguin42 | SuperLag: Now I know why you're called SuperLag | 13:22 |
| SuperLag | s/gone/got | 13:22 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: SuperLurk is probably more appropriate :) | 13:23 |
| SuperLag | and I'm just reading yesterday's buffer | 13:23 |
| SuperLag | (thank you, irssi) | 13:23 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: well... I didn't think many people had their screen names as long as I've had mine, but you've got me beat. :) | 13:25 |
| SuperLag | 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on SuperLag (account SuperLag): | 13:25 |
| SuperLag | 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : May 09 03:43:54 2003 (10 years, 18 weeks, 6 days, 09:40:25 ago) | 13:25 |
| SuperLag | I used that nick, because the place I was working when I registered... they had 3 T-1 lines coming in, but it was sooooo saturated, that it was slower than the dialup I had at home, at the time. | 13:26 |
| penguin42 | hmm when did I register mine? | 13:26 |
| SuperLag | Then cable got brought into town and that changed everything | 13:26 |
| SuperLag | 12+ years ago | 13:26 |
| penguin42 | hehe | 13:26 |
| SuperLag | 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on penguin42 (account penguin42): | 13:27 |
| SuperLag | 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : May 26 22:54:58 2001 (12 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 14:29:10 ago) | 13:27 |
| penguin42 | hmm as late as that | 13:27 |
| SuperLag | old fart :D | 13:27 |
| penguin42 | hehe yes | 13:27 |
| * SuperLag wonders if penguin42 is older than him... | 13:27 | |
| SuperLag | I will hit 40 in November | 13:28 |
| * penguin42 is older, I'm currently working upto matching the number in my nick | 13:28 | |
| SuperLag | hah | 13:28 |
| SuperLag | so I was right | 13:28 |
| SuperLag | what kind of work do you do? | 13:29 |
| SuperLag | geek blood in the veins, I'm betting :) | 13:29 |
| penguin42 | a bit of topic for here! But yeh, programmer | 13:29 |
| penguin42 | but thank you, I noticed that the alias I'd registered my nick with wasn't live any more, just added it back | 13:30 |
| BluesKaj | yea SuperLag , Ive had this nick for 14 yrs on irc , differnt servers here and there of course | 13:31 |
| SuperLag | yeah, I started out on Undernet | 13:33 |
| penguin42 | irc seems quiet these days | 13:34 |
| BluesKaj | too many twits and text stuff | 13:36 |
| alankila | text chat, image chat, video chat. | 13:37 |
| alankila | I wonder what the next big chat will be | 13:37 |
| alankila | probably some strapped-to-chest video feed you literally never turn off which anyone can watch whenever they want. If that hasn't been invented already. | 13:38 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: quiet? really? | 13:39 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: from my perspective it's been buzzing, for years... it will never die :) | 13:39 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: it's also one of the best places to come, for reliable information | 13:39 |
| * penguin42 needs to find some other channels then | 13:40 | |
| SuperLag | haha | 13:40 |
| SuperLag | wait... are you saying you're not a reliable source of information? :D | 13:40 |
| SuperLag | This channel is certainly more quiet than #ubuntu, but it's still pretty active. | 13:52 |
| SuperLag | So what do you guys think about the whole "rolling release" proposal? Do you think Ubuntu *should* have gone that route? or is it better the way it is, in your opinions? | 13:53 |
| penguin42 | SuperLag: I don't have a problem with it as long as they don't do it until an LTS boundary, so that people who need machines that work day-to-day aren't forced onto rolling | 14:00 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: that's what I was thinking, as well. I use Ubuntu in production, and I'd like to be able to continue doing so. | 14:13 |
| SuperLag | Now... I say that a bit tongue-in-cheek, too, as I've upgraded my personal machine to 13.10b1 :) | 14:13 |
| penguin42 | SuperLag: Well my work laptop is on Quantal | 14:21 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: that's... that's just.... so OLD :D | 14:27 |
| penguin42 | SuperLag: Yeh but the support period for it is longer (or the same?) as Raring | 14:28 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: it is nice to have an employer that allows you to run what you want, though :) | 14:28 |
| penguin42 | SuperLag: They don't, but Ubuntu is one of the allowed OSs | 14:28 |
| SuperLag | haha | 14:28 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: so what would you be running, if you had your choice? | 14:29 |
| penguin42 | SuperLag: Ubuntu is also what I run on my main home machine, I like apt | 14:29 |
| SuperLag | me too | 14:30 |
| SuperLag | a buddy of mine keeps trying to convince me to run Fedora... and I tell him that even after all these years, RPM hell still exists... and the Debian package management is still light years ahead of RPM :) | 14:31 |
| SuperLag | piss on RPM | 14:31 |
| SuperLag | that's what I think :) | 14:31 |
| penguin42 | I'm not sure that's as true these days - I've got one machine with openSUSE on, and it's similar (they're only just getting an equivalent of apt-file0 | 14:31 |
| SuperLag | I'll shut up now. That's *definitely* off-topic. :) | 14:31 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: if I had to run something with RPM on it, I'd stick as close to mainstream as I could... I still do that with Ubuntu, as well, rather than some variant of it | 14:32 |
| SuperLag | it's just easier to maintain | 14:33 |
| SuperLag | but yeah... openSUSE still is too far from mainstream for me. They have their own mirrors, and customize things enough that it's not always easy to take an RPM of a package meant for another RPM-based distro and drop it in... and have it just work | 14:34 |
| SuperLag | I guess, still, that must sound contradictory... as if I *really* wanted mainstream, I'd run Windows... but you get my point, I hope. | 14:35 |
| SuperLag | I just figure if I'm going to go off the beaten path, I want to make the experience as efficient as possible. | 14:35 |
| LinuxGol_ | iMac :P | 14:36 |
| SuperLag | I am also a Mac user. | 14:36 |
| * LinuxGol_ thinks iMac is more mainstereamed now than before. | 14:36 | |
| SuperLag | However, at work, they recently started enforcing the "no personal hardware" policy. So... I got a work-issue ThinkPad. | 14:36 |
| SuperLag | I wish my MBP had this kind of power and capacity. :) | 14:37 |
| LinuxGol_ | :) | 14:37 |
| * LinuxGol_ is running iMac late 2012 27" with Ubuntu running in virtualbox | 14:37 | |
| penguin42 | SuperLag: Yeh I've got a w520 at work, it's nice and fast, but my shoulders don't like it | 14:38 |
| LinuxGol_ | ubuntu 13.04 Server | 14:38 |
| SuperLag | None of the current model MBP machines will take 32GB of RAM, or more than a single drive, without mods. | 14:38 |
| SuperLag | I have 32GB of RAM in this W530 and 3 SSDs | 14:38 |
| penguin42 | SuperLag: How the heck did you get 3 SSDs in? one in the drive slot, one in the ultrabay and ....? | 14:39 |
| LinuxGol_ | nice! I got 8Gb | 14:39 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: mSATA | 14:39 |
| ikonia | maybe #ubuntu-offtopic for this discussion ? | 14:39 |
| LinuxGol_ | k | 14:39 |
| SuperLag | I know, becuase it's soooo busy in here, otherwise :) | 14:39 |
| ikonia | how busy it is doesn't dictate the topic | 14:40 |
| SuperLag | /who wouldn't let me get a count. | 14:41 |
| BluesKaj | well, 13.10 seems to run just fine on this 5 yr old amd 2 core cpu pc with 3G ram ... W7 works real hard compared to Kubuntu on this pc | 14:46 |
| SuperLag | yeah :) | 14:46 |
| SuperLag | I've got it on an old Dell at work, too | 14:46 |
| SuperLag | Now I need to just get smart and keep all my .desktop files for 3rd-party software in ~/.local/share/applications/ so when I upgrade, everything is still there | 14:47 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Yeh with desktop effects off KDE does surprisingly well these days | 14:47 |
| BluesKaj | til the HW become incompatible with Kubuntu or the thing breaks , I'll keep using it | 14:48 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: what, and get rid of all the goodies? | 14:48 |
| BluesKaj | i have an entry level nvidia 8400gs so it carries some of the graphics load | 14:49 |
| SuperLag | I wish the Ubuntu Edge would have been successfully funded. | 14:49 |
| SuperLag | When I installed 13.10, one of my concerns was that the Nvidia driver would cause me issues. | 14:50 |
| SuperLag | thankfully, none of that | 14:50 |
| BluesKaj | desktop effects run just fine on this pc | 14:50 |
| BluesKaj | I don't have a lot of effects turned on , desktop cube animation is about the only real effect that's obvious | 14:51 |
| penguin42 | yeh and that doesn't have any effect except during the animation | 14:51 |
| BluesKaj | yup | 14:52 |
| BluesKaj | I blew my buddies away with it on our laptop ...they really liked the idea of multiple virtual desktops | 14:53 |
| * penguin42 checks which century we're in :-) | 14:54 | |
| BluesKaj | dunno why windows doesn't have that option natively | 14:54 |
| * penguin42 has been running with a 3x3 desktop layout for 20 years | 14:54 | |
| mibofra | penguin42: hi :) do you remember me? | 14:55 |
| penguin42 | erm no | 14:55 |
| mibofra | XD I was a bit sure of this xD | 14:55 |
| mibofra | The guy has got problems with adb and his phone | 14:56 |
| BluesKaj | well, they aren't eactly luddites , but not knowing about that kind of thing doesn't put them in the last century | 14:56 |
| mibofra | penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1218625 | 14:58 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1218625 in linux (Ubuntu) "samsung galaxy ace i (gt-s5830i) not plus detected after upgrade." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:58 |
| SuperLag | hah | 14:59 |
| SuperLag | one of my 13.10 related bugs got marked as a duplicate | 14:59 |
| SuperLag | and the other one I reported... has since been fixed (but I'm sure it was a duplicate as well) | 14:59 |
| BluesKaj | heh , kmail has a bug that's been a dupe for 4 yrs now , and it's still not fixed | 15:00 |
| SuperLag | wow | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | mibofra: SO you found it got fixed? | 15:00 |
| mibofra | penguin42: err no xD | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Only four? | 15:00 |
| SuperLag | BluesKaj: not enough hands/eyes on it? or not a priority? | 15:00 |
| SuperLag | uh oh | 15:00 |
| SuperLag | penguin42: you can top that? | 15:01 |
| mibofra | After upgrade by upgrade I've noticed a strage thing... | 15:01 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, well since I tried to use it after the akonadi/mysql/database thing became part of kmail , yes | 15:01 |
| BluesKaj | SuperLag, think it's HW/API related, a ghost in the machine kind of thing , difficult to precisely pin down | 15:03 |
| BluesKaj | random segfaults with no trackable error in var/log/syslog | 15:04 |
| mibofra | After the last message I've seen the OS stop detecting the phone after a manipulation (upgrade, install o remove) any dkms module | 15:04 |
| penguin42 | SuperLag: bug 330117 | 15:04 |
| ubottu | bug 330117 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[Upstream] Shift+Tab indented bullet indents further" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330117 | 15:04 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: They're segs? Does the backtrace look similar each time? | 15:09 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, no , that's why i gave up on kmail , there was no consistent segfault | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | ah, random segs are really hard to debug | 15:12 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: What's the bug number? | 15:12 |
| BluesKaj | tried kmail again a few weeks ago , it didn't segafault but it froze | 15:13 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, dunno | 15:13 |
| penguin42 | but yeh my experience with kmail is it's never been stable; which is a shame | 15:13 |
| BluesKaj | well glad I'm not on the job and was forced to run a email database with it | 15:14 |
| BluesKaj | an email datebase that is | 15:15 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, before KDE4 kmail was great , I loved it , but it was a regular email client back then | 15:16 |
| * penguin42 is a mutt user, and has his parents on thunderbird | 15:17 | |
| BluesKaj | uses t-bird | 15:17 |
| * yofel uses tbird on his eeePC as that can't handle akonadi/nepomuk/mysql all running at the same time | 15:19 | |
| yofel | rest of the time I'm on kmail, works fine | 15:19 |
| yofel | well, "fine" | 15:19 |
| yofel | sometimes doesn't send emails unless the agent is restarted, but that's all | 15:19 |
| BluesKaj | yofel, somebosy claimed that akonadi server doesn't use much cpu , I thought it was lagging my system when I tried kmail but it could have been the bugs | 15:38 |
| penguin42 | on things with spinny rust I think it's the disk IO impact that's the bigger problem | 15:40 |
| yofel | well, that by itself not, but I was once wondering why my system slowed down suddenly while I was running virtualbox, and found mysql, akonadiserver, akonadi_nepomuk_feeder and virtuoso-t using up ~200% CPU in total | 15:40 |
| yofel | probably indexing mails, but that's a bit much... | 15:41 |
| BluesKaj | nepomuk to me is parasitic | 15:42 |
| yofel | well, you can turn that off, but then kmail is no fun and complains about nepomuk not running which is annoying | 15:42 |
| * yofel -> dinner | 15:42 | |
| BluesKaj | yeah , it's off | 15:43 |
| alankila | oh nice, ubuntu 13.10 seems to give me vsync'd screen updates somehow | 17:38 |
| alankila | animations are noticeably smoother and browser doesn't tear on screen anymore when scrolling. Nice. | 17:39 |
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| pepee | so, there is no other way to do this in ubuntu saucy? https://plus.google.com/107558083186116705038/posts/hg5o8ejXkXX | 22:06 |
| brainwash_ | pepee: build from source or install the package built for raring | 22:27 |
| pepee | yeah, I mean, will it be possible to do it from official repos? | 22:28 |
| brainwash_ | and/or contact the ppa author | 22:28 |
| brainwash_ | pepee: does a bug report exist about including the vdpau drivers? | 22:29 |
| pepee | no idea... | 22:29 |
| pepee | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1002224 | 22:31 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1002224 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Please include gallium vdpau and xvmc driver support" [Wishlist,In progress] | 22:31 |
| pepee | status: Won't Fix → In Progress | 22:31 |
| brainwash_ | yeah, but there doesn't seem to be any "progress" :/ | 22:32 |
| brainwash_ | and saucy will be released soon | 22:33 |
| pepee | yup, looking at the list of packages, there is none with that name | 22:33 |
| pepee | https://launchpad.net/~tjaalton/+related-packages | 22:33 |
| brainwash_ | I assume that the maintainer of https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/ will offer saucy packages at some point eventually | 22:35 |
| pepee | we should invite tjaalton to this channel :P | 22:35 |
| brainwash_ | currently I'm using my low end intel gpu only, so I don't really care that much about these extra drivers | 22:40 |
| pepee | btw, what gpu? | 22:41 |
| pepee | I got a 4200mhd, and I want to know about HW decoding... where should I look? | 22:42 |
| brainwash_ | gen 4, intel gma 4500 hd | 22:42 |
| brainwash_ | 4200? | 22:43 |
| pepee | err, yeah, 4500mhd | 22:45 |
| brainwash_ | oh, same gpu then :) | 22:46 |
| brainwash_ | my 2nd one is low end too.. AMD HD4330 | 22:46 |
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