[05:48] need to buy a new video card, want it to be a kind in the center of mir development, will Nvidia 6/7 do? [06:00] When i upgraded to 13.10 beta it doesnt seem to load the correct intel drivers. Always when I start up i get "Low resolution" warning but then it starts lightdm and x as usual. But in settings->about in x it says Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.2, 128 bits) and not intel... [12:38] 'Morning folks [13:05] Hey BK [13:22] wow... USB cameras? for that?? [13:22] even if it was more expensive, I'd have got the network route [13:22] way more reliable [13:22] SuperLag: Now I know why you're called SuperLag [13:22] s/gone/got [13:23] penguin42: SuperLurk is probably more appropriate :) [13:23] and I'm just reading yesterday's buffer [13:23] (thank you, irssi) [13:25] penguin42: well... I didn't think many people had their screen names as long as I've had mine, but you've got me beat. :) [13:25] 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on SuperLag (account SuperLag): [13:25] 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : May 09 03:43:54 2003 (10 years, 18 weeks, 6 days, 09:40:25 ago) [13:26] I used that nick, because the place I was working when I registered... they had 3 T-1 lines coming in, but it was sooooo saturated, that it was slower than the dialup I had at home, at the time. [13:26] hmm when did I register mine? [13:26] Then cable got brought into town and that changed everything [13:26] 12+ years ago [13:26] hehe [13:27] 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on penguin42 (account penguin42): [13:27] 06:24 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : May 26 22:54:58 2001 (12 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 14:29:10 ago) [13:27] hmm as late as that [13:27] old fart :D [13:27] hehe yes [13:27] * SuperLag wonders if penguin42 is older than him... [13:28] I will hit 40 in November [13:28] * penguin42 is older, I'm currently working upto matching the number in my nick [13:28] hah [13:28] so I was right [13:29] what kind of work do you do? [13:29] geek blood in the veins, I'm betting :) [13:29] a bit of topic for here! But yeh, programmer [13:30] but thank you, I noticed that the alias I'd registered my nick with wasn't live any more, just added it back [13:31] yea SuperLag , Ive had this nick for 14 yrs on irc , differnt servers here and there of course [13:33] yeah, I started out on Undernet [13:34] irc seems quiet these days [13:36] too many twits and text stuff [13:37] text chat, image chat, video chat. [13:37] I wonder what the next big chat will be [13:38] probably some strapped-to-chest video feed you literally never turn off which anyone can watch whenever they want. If that hasn't been invented already. [13:39] penguin42: quiet? really? [13:39] penguin42: from my perspective it's been buzzing, for years... it will never die :) [13:39] penguin42: it's also one of the best places to come, for reliable information [13:40] * penguin42 needs to find some other channels then [13:40] haha [13:40] wait... are you saying you're not a reliable source of information? :D [13:52] This channel is certainly more quiet than #ubuntu, but it's still pretty active. [13:53] So what do you guys think about the whole "rolling release" proposal? Do you think Ubuntu *should* have gone that route? or is it better the way it is, in your opinions? [14:00] SuperLag: I don't have a problem with it as long as they don't do it until an LTS boundary, so that people who need machines that work day-to-day aren't forced onto rolling [14:13] penguin42: that's what I was thinking, as well. I use Ubuntu in production, and I'd like to be able to continue doing so. [14:13] Now... I say that a bit tongue-in-cheek, too, as I've upgraded my personal machine to 13.10b1 :) [14:21] SuperLag: Well my work laptop is on Quantal [14:27] penguin42: that's... that's just.... so OLD :D [14:28] SuperLag: Yeh but the support period for it is longer (or the same?) as Raring [14:28] penguin42: it is nice to have an employer that allows you to run what you want, though :) [14:28] SuperLag: They don't, but Ubuntu is one of the allowed OSs [14:28] haha [14:29] penguin42: so what would you be running, if you had your choice? [14:29] SuperLag: Ubuntu is also what I run on my main home machine, I like apt [14:30] me too [14:31] a buddy of mine keeps trying to convince me to run Fedora... and I tell him that even after all these years, RPM hell still exists... and the Debian package management is still light years ahead of RPM :) [14:31] piss on RPM [14:31] that's what I think :) [14:31] I'm not sure that's as true these days - I've got one machine with openSUSE on, and it's similar (they're only just getting an equivalent of apt-file0 [14:31] I'll shut up now. That's *definitely* off-topic. :) [14:32] penguin42: if I had to run something with RPM on it, I'd stick as close to mainstream as I could... I still do that with Ubuntu, as well, rather than some variant of it [14:33] it's just easier to maintain [14:34] but yeah... openSUSE still is too far from mainstream for me. They have their own mirrors, and customize things enough that it's not always easy to take an RPM of a package meant for another RPM-based distro and drop it in... and have it just work [14:35] I guess, still, that must sound contradictory... as if I *really* wanted mainstream, I'd run Windows... but you get my point, I hope. [14:35] I just figure if I'm going to go off the beaten path, I want to make the experience as efficient as possible. [14:36] iMac :P [14:36] I am also a Mac user. [14:36] * LinuxGol_ thinks iMac is more mainstereamed now than before. [14:36] However, at work, they recently started enforcing the "no personal hardware" policy. So... I got a work-issue ThinkPad. [14:37] I wish my MBP had this kind of power and capacity. :) [14:37] :) [14:37] * LinuxGol_ is running iMac late 2012 27" with Ubuntu running in virtualbox [14:38] SuperLag: Yeh I've got a w520 at work, it's nice and fast, but my shoulders don't like it [14:38] ubuntu 13.04 Server [14:38] None of the current model MBP machines will take 32GB of RAM, or more than a single drive, without mods. [14:38] I have 32GB of RAM in this W530 and 3 SSDs [14:39] SuperLag: How the heck did you get 3 SSDs in? one in the drive slot, one in the ultrabay and ....? [14:39] nice! I got 8Gb [14:39] penguin42: mSATA [14:39] maybe #ubuntu-offtopic for this discussion ? [14:39] k [14:39] I know, becuase it's soooo busy in here, otherwise :) [14:40] how busy it is doesn't dictate the topic [14:41] /who wouldn't let me get a count. [14:46] well, 13.10 seems to run just fine on this 5 yr old amd 2 core cpu pc with 3G ram ... W7 works real hard compared to Kubuntu on this pc [14:46] yeah :) [14:46] I've got it on an old Dell at work, too [14:47] Now I need to just get smart and keep all my .desktop files for 3rd-party software in ~/.local/share/applications/ so when I upgrade, everything is still there [14:47] BluesKaj: Yeh with desktop effects off KDE does surprisingly well these days [14:48] til the HW become incompatible with Kubuntu or the thing breaks , I'll keep using it [14:48] penguin42: what, and get rid of all the goodies? [14:49] i have an entry level nvidia 8400gs so it carries some of the graphics load [14:49] I wish the Ubuntu Edge would have been successfully funded. [14:50] When I installed 13.10, one of my concerns was that the Nvidia driver would cause me issues. [14:50] thankfully, none of that [14:50] desktop effects run just fine on this pc [14:51] I don't have a lot of effects turned on , desktop cube animation is about the only real effect that's obvious [14:51] yeh and that doesn't have any effect except during the animation [14:52] yup [14:53] I blew my buddies away with it on our laptop ...they really liked the idea of multiple virtual desktops [14:54] * penguin42 checks which century we're in :-) [14:54] dunno why windows doesn't have that option natively [14:54] * penguin42 has been running with a 3x3 desktop layout for 20 years [14:55] penguin42: hi :) do you remember me? [14:55] erm no [14:55] XD I was a bit sure of this xD [14:56] The guy has got problems with adb and his phone [14:56] well, they aren't eactly luddites , but not knowing about that kind of thing doesn't put them in the last century [14:58] penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1218625 [14:58] Ubuntu bug 1218625 in linux (Ubuntu) "samsung galaxy ace i (gt-s5830i) not plus detected after upgrade." [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:59] hah [14:59] one of my 13.10 related bugs got marked as a duplicate [14:59] and the other one I reported... has since been fixed (but I'm sure it was a duplicate as well) [15:00] heh , kmail has a bug that's been a dupe for 4 yrs now , and it's still not fixed [15:00] wow [15:00] mibofra: SO you found it got fixed? [15:00] penguin42: err no xD [15:00] BluesKaj: Only four? [15:00] BluesKaj: not enough hands/eyes on it? or not a priority? [15:00] uh oh [15:01] penguin42: you can top that? [15:01] After upgrade by upgrade I've noticed a strage thing... [15:01] penguin42, well since I tried to use it after the akonadi/mysql/database thing became part of kmail , yes [15:03] SuperLag, think it's HW/API related, a ghost in the machine kind of thing , difficult to precisely pin down [15:04] random segfaults with no trackable error in var/log/syslog [15:04] After the last message I've seen the OS stop detecting the phone after a manipulation (upgrade, install o remove) any dkms module [15:04] SuperLag: bug 330117 [15:04] bug 330117 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[Upstream] Shift+Tab indented bullet indents further" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330117 [15:09] BluesKaj: They're segs? Does the backtrace look similar each time? [15:11] penguin42, no , that's why i gave up on kmail , there was no consistent segfault [15:12] ah, random segs are really hard to debug [15:12] BluesKaj: What's the bug number? [15:13] tried kmail again a few weeks ago , it didn't segafault but it froze [15:13] penguin42, dunno [15:13] but yeh my experience with kmail is it's never been stable; which is a shame [15:14] well glad I'm not on the job and was forced to run a email database with it [15:15] an email datebase that is [15:16] penguin42, before KDE4 kmail was great , I loved it , but it was a regular email client back then [15:17] * penguin42 is a mutt user, and has his parents on thunderbird [15:17] uses t-bird [15:19] * yofel uses tbird on his eeePC as that can't handle akonadi/nepomuk/mysql all running at the same time [15:19] rest of the time I'm on kmail, works fine [15:19] well, "fine" [15:19] sometimes doesn't send emails unless the agent is restarted, but that's all [15:38] yofel, somebosy claimed that akonadi server doesn't use much cpu , I thought it was lagging my system when I tried kmail but it could have been the bugs [15:40] on things with spinny rust I think it's the disk IO impact that's the bigger problem [15:40] well, that by itself not, but I was once wondering why my system slowed down suddenly while I was running virtualbox, and found mysql, akonadiserver, akonadi_nepomuk_feeder and virtuoso-t using up ~200% CPU in total [15:41] probably indexing mails, but that's a bit much... [15:42] nepomuk to me is parasitic [15:42] well, you can turn that off, but then kmail is no fun and complains about nepomuk not running which is annoying [15:42] * yofel -> dinner [15:43] yeah , it's off [17:38] oh nice, ubuntu 13.10 seems to give me vsync'd screen updates somehow [17:39] animations are noticeably smoother and browser doesn't tear on screen anymore when scrolling. Nice. === wilee-nilee is now known as bootzilla === bootzilla is now known as wilee-nilee [22:06] so, there is no other way to do this in ubuntu saucy? https://plus.google.com/107558083186116705038/posts/hg5o8ejXkXX [22:27] pepee: build from source or install the package built for raring [22:28] yeah, I mean, will it be possible to do it from official repos? [22:28] and/or contact the ppa author [22:29] pepee: does a bug report exist about including the vdpau drivers? [22:29] no idea... [22:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1002224 [22:31] Ubuntu bug 1002224 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Please include gallium vdpau and xvmc driver support" [Wishlist,In progress] [22:31] status: Won't Fix → In Progress [22:32] yeah, but there doesn't seem to be any "progress" :/ [22:33] and saucy will be released soon [22:33] yup, looking at the list of packages, there is none with that name [22:33] https://launchpad.net/~tjaalton/+related-packages [22:35] I assume that the maintainer of https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/ will offer saucy packages at some point eventually [22:35] we should invite tjaalton to this channel :P [22:40] currently I'm using my low end intel gpu only, so I don't really care that much about these extra drivers [22:41] btw, what gpu? [22:42] I got a 4200mhd, and I want to know about HW decoding... where should I look? [22:42] gen 4, intel gma 4500 hd [22:43] 4200? [22:45] err, yeah, 4500mhd [22:46] oh, same gpu then :) [22:46] my 2nd one is low end too.. AMD HD4330 === Fyodorovna is now known as wilee-nilee