[02:26] <jbicha> darkxst: n-m recommends network-manager-gnome | plasma-widget-networkmanagement | plasma-nm
[02:27] <jbicha> I assume you want a | gnome-shell added to that line?
[02:37] <jbicha> I don't have upload rights for n-m
[02:37] <jbicha> can you also follow up on bug 1189309 since the old debdiff was uploaded?
[02:58] <jbicha> I'm thinking we should have gnome-shell recommend n-m then but I'm not sure if Debian will make that change too
[03:27] <jbicha> I don't think we need im-config...
[03:43] <jbicha> one nice feature of im-config is that it lists all of the available ibus methods
[03:46] <jbicha> but the UI feels confusing to me and I think there are other ways we could present that info
[03:47] <jbicha> the other feature is making it easier to use fcitx instead of ibus but we can't really support anything as well as ibus
[05:55] <fhedstrom> Hi
[05:57] <fhedstrom> When i upgraded to 13.10 Ubuntu-gnome beta it doesnt seem to load the correct intel drivers. Always when I start up i get "Low resolution" warning but then it starts gdm and gnome as usual. But in settings->about in gnome it says Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.2, 128 bits) and not intel...
[10:32] <joaosantana> Hi all
[10:34] <darkxst> hi joaosantana
[14:27] <jbicha> darkxst: could you weigh in on bug 1092719?
[16:04] <DevilishDB> Hello!
[16:23] <jbicha> darkxst: could you report the accountsservice/locale bug you found last week if you haven't already?
[20:44] <Alamanda> hallo all...
[21:29] <darkxst> jbicha, how do I stop these messages "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libedataserver-1.2-18_3.9.91-0ubuntu1~saucy8_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[21:29] <darkxst>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libedataserver-1.2.so.18.0.0', which is also in package libedataserver-1.2-17 3.9.91-0ubuntu1~saucy1"
[21:29] <darkxst> I tried adding B/R lines but it still doesnt work
[21:33] <jbicha> can you paste the control.in?
[21:33] <jbicha> also, dpkg isn't smart enough by itself
[21:33] <jbicha> try with --auto-deconfigure
[21:34] <jbicha> but if you're using apt it should work if the breaks/replaces are correct
[21:37] <darkxst> jbicha, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6112410/
[21:41] <jbicha> libedataserver-1.2-18 needs to break/replace libedataserver-1.2-17 also
[21:43] <jbicha> according to the comment on bug 1225120, libebackend-1.2-6 is broken too
[21:44] <jbicha> and a few more in that comment
[21:46] <darkxst> jbicha, ah oops, I missed that one!
[21:46] <darkxst> jbicha, yes there were 4 in total.
[21:46] <jbicha> well like libedata-book-1.2-19
[21:47] <darkxst> yeh and libcamel
[21:47] <darkxst> jbicha, Bug 1225787
[21:48] <darkxst> given upstream consider network-manager a hard dependency, seems reasonable to recommend network-manager
[21:48] <jbicha> network-manager is back in today's image
[21:50] <darkxst> right, except we really shouldnt have to seed it!
[21:50] <jbicha> I want to make it a depends not recommends in the metapackage
[21:54] <darkxst> but then it can't be removed?
[21:55] <jbicha> good :)
[21:55] <darkxst> lots of people like to remove it though ;(
[21:55] <jbicha> it's possible to disable network-manager even if it's installed
[21:56] <jbicha> and n-m is really better for almost all cases
[21:56] <jbicha> we hard-depend on pulseaudio too
[21:56] <jbicha> and nobody complained there
[22:06] <darkxst> right, but I have seen complaints re network manager.
[22:12] <darkxst> in fact there were quite a few complaints when I added NM as a dependency on the system-monitor extension
[22:17] <jbicha> that's only because people believe they need to disable network-manager to get their networking to work
[22:19] <jbicha> darkxst: with gnome-control-center 3.6, the Network Options dialogs were still provided by network-manager-gnome
[22:25] <darkxst> oh right, the network panel landed in 3.8 ;(