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JimboPeaHi guys, I have a HP laptop with an amd apu a8, and discrete graphics. I have the latest beta driver installed. Buw when i run "aticonfig --od-getclocks" it only shows t.he clocks for the intergrated gpu and doesnt see the discrete card. Any ideas?07:59
directhexadd --adapter=all ?08:00
JimboPeathanks :)08:01
JimboPeaSo im trying to overclock my discrete card, which is adapter 1. I know i need to run "aticonfig --od-setclocks=500,420" but im not sure how to apply this to one adapter only08:06
directhexer... try --adapter=108:13
brobostigongood morning eveyrone,08:58
MyrttiAzelphur: where did you see the Huawei for 70quid?09:18
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:29
AlanBellmorning09:54
brobostigonan ingress sea of blue, :)09:58
bigcalmI should really get around to playing ingress09:59
brobostigonit sucks battery, as it requires the gps to always be on.10:00
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* bigcalm skips off to collect his wedding rings and suit :D10:05
brobostigon:)10:05
brobostigongood luck bigcalm10:05
* penguin42 realises he has three songs in his collection named 'Last train to...'11:19
Azelphurnow you just need to mix them together, so you can have last train to last train to last train11:30
penguin42hmm11:32
* Monotoko watches his production server fall the ground14:19
Monotokoturns out that "rm -rf ./*" is pretty close to the evil command14:20
penguin42oops14:20
AlanBellthe command that shall not be named14:21
Monotokotimes like this, I actually like the cloud14:26
Monotokomakes it really damn easy to restore my disk to an older version14:26
Monotokolet this be a lesson to all, don't attempt to do a quick fix on a Sunday afternoon14:27
dwatkinswoohoo, finally got Ubuntu installed on my MacBook Pro using a Nifty Minidrive :D #SmugModeEngaged15:59
penguin42Monotoko: Your cloud provider provides regular snapshots or something?16:00
Monotokopenguin42: I take regular snapshots before doing anything major16:15
Monotokoso if I do screw it up I can just revert16:15
penguin42yeh always good16:16
mungbeanugh , yahoo groups is so afwul16:59
mungbeanalso, depending on which yahoo page i'm on, i have either no mail, 99+ emails, or 55 emails17:01
popeyEvening ratfans.17:16
penguin42ratfans?17:34
penguin42Roland?17:35
mungbeanjust bought a set of linka moulds \o/17:46
mungbeanthe younglings here won't know what that is17:46
ali1234i know what those are17:46
ali1234without googling too17:46
* penguin42 doesn't17:47
ali1234i'm too young but my brother had a set17:47
penguin42modelling?17:47
ali1234penguin42: they are moulds for model buildings basically - you pour in plaster and get wall pieces that link together17:47
ali1234interestingly enough one of the computer programs i am trying to recover from these C64 tapes is the program he wrote to design linka building layouts for wargaming17:50
penguin42uisng an emulator?17:52
ali1234using a tape player and recording the sound17:54
penguin42nod, I'm assuming some of the c64 emulators have demodulators for it?17:54
popeyoh, i always wondered how those houses were made17:54
gordonjcpooh, I've got some linka moulds somewhere17:54
popeydidn't realise there was a whole thing to make them17:55
penguin42popey: I'd always assumed it was people who were just very clever and patient17:55
popeyheh, ditto17:55
ali1234penguin42: there's software to demodulate it from wav files yes - it works well but in this case the tapes have been taped over which presents rather more difficult challenge17:55
penguin42ali1234: Hehe oh that's a bit special then17:55
penguin42ali1234: tried moving the tape head a bit on the playback machine to see if you can get one better than the other?17:56
ali1234that's what i want to try17:56
ali1234but i can't do it on my tape player cos it's a walkman17:56
ali1234so i have a plan: i built a tape winder with lego, and i'm going to try to read the tape with a floppy drive head17:57
ali1234using the stepper for fine tracking control17:57
penguin42heck, not got a clue if that would work or if the tape speeds are anywhere in similar speeds etc17:57
ali1234they are very similar17:58
ali1234track width is almost the same, floppy disk revolves a bit faster than cassette tape though17:59
ali1234but i can wind the tape any speed i like17:59
penguin42good luck17:59
ali1234the tricky bit is going to be figuring out the pin-out of the drive head and how to amplify the signal enough for a sound card18:00
* penguin42 has enough tape decks around here that I could probably find one I could move18:00
ali1234i'm not old enough to have a large collection of tape players18:00
penguin42haha18:00
ali1234i do have a couple of portable CD players and a minidisc player18:00
ali1234and of course a box with about 50 old floppy drives and CD drives18:03
ali1234hmm... so my tape player has auto-reverse but it seems that the reverse heads are kind of misaligned, because the audio is very quiet from them18:24
ali1234maybe i can make use of that...18:25
ali1234either that or this tape is just disintegrating18:27
mungbeangordonjcp: made anything withthem?@18:34
gordonjcpmungbean: not for at least 30 years ;-)18:34
mungbeanused to make stuff as a little kid, don't remember what happened to the moulds. thought it miht be nice family activity18:35
mungbeanbeats lego for creating nice stuff18:35
mungbeanthere's also fantasy stuff too http://www.hirstarts.com/projects.html18:40
ali1234the trouble with this type of thing, which doesn't apply to lego, is what do you do with the models when you've built them?18:41
penguin42ali1234: Run the trains around them?18:41
mungbeanmake dioramas18:47
mungbeanmake houses for the kid to play with his cars/train set18:48
mungbeanfor my airfix stuff, the act of creation is most of the fun but i have a display case with them in18:48
mungbeanmy wife is understanding because half the house is full of knitting paraphernalia18:49
mungbeani gather quite a few people do it for wargaming but i don't really know much about that18:52
mungbeanwatched grave of fireflies...rather depressing.19:21
diddledanwas it in here that I came up against backpush about the us healthcare obamacare nhs type reforms?19:41
ali1234i doubt it19:41
diddledanyeah, so do I but I can't think where else it would be19:41
ali1234don't you have logs?19:41
directhexcomputery places are a bastion of hardcore liberalism. also libertarianism, though19:41
diddledandirecthex: indeed19:42
ali1234ironically they are completely opposite philosophies19:42
diddledanwell anyway, it's an interesting watch and completely offtopic, but I feel like sharing some "facts" about us healthcare vs nhs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M19:43
ali1234when you say pushback what do you mean exactly?19:43
ali1234i men what direction?19:43
diddledanagainst national healthcare19:43
ali1234i'm pretty sure everyone here loves the nhs19:44
diddledanas in pro the insurance company system19:44
directhexali1234, economically, yes, they're opposites19:44
diddledanI certainly love the nhs19:44
directhexali1234, very few "social conservatives" in these parts though19:44
diddledanI guess it might have been in the wordpress channel but I believe I was surprised that someone would mention it in the ubuntu-uk channel19:45
diddledanI gonna go search for logs now19:45
ali1234well there's nothing in my logs19:45
ali1234for "obama"19:45
ali1234you've only said it once before here19:46
directhexthe nsa is deleting your irc logs?19:46
directhex*thanks* obama19:46
diddledandammit, I haven't been logging19:47
ali1234that meme is hilarious19:47
diddledanlogging turned on now19:47
ali1234wordpress seems a likely place for this argument - lot of americans there, and freelance web devs do tend to be libertarian in my experience19:48
ali1234the american ones anyway19:48
pr0ph3thi all20:12
popeyyo20:13
pr0ph3tI have a lil problem, I'm trying to share the public folder, with samba installed in both ubuntu boxes, but I can't see them in Browse Network, Nautilus. What's strange is that my cousing can see my shares from his mac!20:17
directhexali1234, the thing about libertarianism is we know what it leads to - there is already a country out there living the libertarian ideal. no government interference in private affairs, no government regulation getting in the way of private enterprise. just free men and women, contracts, and private enforcement. i call this place "Libertaria", although i believe the commonly used name is "Somalia"20:20
pr0ph3twe're connected to same network, I was wondering if there was a command line way of checking available shares20:20
ali1234directhex: yes i agree20:21
directhexpr0ph3t, there is. erm... something like smbclient -L?20:21
directhexpr0ph3t, definitely smbclient is the command you want, but i can't remember the flags, it's been so long since i've used it20:21
pr0ph3tdirecthex, I guess the problem is in trusting human beings to much, after all some kill, rape and do other horrible things, so to say that no control is needed from "above" is to forget the nature of some human beings20:21
ali1234libertarians typically do support some government regulation though - contract law and property law but nothing else20:22
bigcalmHi peeps :)20:23
directhexali1234, yeah, they have a very childish view of "the only parts of law that are needed are the parts that support my drawn-in-crayon philosophy, everything else is pointless"20:24
ali1234yes, quite20:24
ali1234but to be fair, somalia isn't that20:24
directhexali1234, the key issue is libertarians don't believe in negative externalities or public good, so things like "poisoning air" can apparently be handled 100% by private contracts between every person in the country and  every single polluter in america - but not govt regulation because that's evil20:25
ali1234yes20:26
pr0ph3tdirecthex, smbclient -L 192.168.x.x was the command, and it shows the Public folder share, but it doesn't on nautilus20:26
directhexali1234, the whole philosophy is drawn in crayon, it doesn't account for "reality"20:26
directhexali1234, much like basic marxism20:26
ali1234i wonder what happens in libertarian world if someone buys a large plot of land and sets up a democratic system of government and hangs a "no libertarians" sign on the front door20:26
ali1234presumably they would be fine with that?20:27
ali1234since it is private property20:27
ali1234marxism is at least based in mathematical truths. i like that part of it20:29
ali1234you are still right of course. mathematics is an abstraction and therefore not reality20:32
pr0ph3tali1234, economic determinism20:36
mgdmhttp://news.stv.tv/politics/239574-nick-clegg-warns-against-outright-tory-or-labour-victory-in-2015/ yes, I'm sure he does20:36
mgdmeejit20:36
ali1234i want to see more coalition20:38
ali1234if we had four or five different parties instead of two they'd never be able to get anything done20:38
ali1234lab-con coalition would be funny too20:39
pr0ph3tI can't even see the computer name in Browse Network, I have two Ubuntu boxes, but they do not show up for me, I can see my cousin's MacBook, but not the linux boxes names, but I can access them with smbclient, is it a Nautilus problem then do you think?20:39
ali1234pr0ph3t: that is not unusual. try typing in the ip address in smb:// format20:40
ali1234network browsing is a really horrible mess - it often doesn't even work on windows20:40
pr0ph3tali1234, it works with smb:// format, I can access or mount the share20:45
pr0ph3tstrange that nautilus does not recognise it though20:45
pr0ph3tdo you all use nautilus?20:45
ali1234i use thunar/xfce but it uses the same backend20:45
ali1234gvfs20:45
ali1234and i used nautilus until two weeks ago20:45
ali1234browsing is done on a different protocol to smb20:46
ali1234it is really complex and never works right20:46
pr0ph3tsometimes it does :P20:48
pr0ph3tplus I really like nautilus20:50
ali1234well you won't find anything that works any better than nautilus, that's for sure20:51
directhexcomputers are terrible. stick with videotape.20:54
pr0ph3thow about email client? You're all using thunderbird/evolution?21:12
bigcalmMutt!21:15
pr0ph3teheh, I had some problems viewing html pages with Mutt unfortunately :-)21:16
bigcalmThunderbird is the default, so most people use that if not gmail21:20
bigcalmI wonder if popey managed to salvage the audio from last week's podcast21:30
popeynot yet21:30
bigcalmWaiting for an interface?21:31
popeywaiting for time21:31
popeyworking right now21:31
bigcalmAh21:32
bigcalmEugh21:32
bigcalmI say eugh and I've just loaded my IDE :(21:32
* bigcalm goes to find a glass of wine to take the sting out of the evening21:32
popey21:33
popeyover a month since I had any booze21:33
popeyor coffee21:34
mgdmgiven them up?21:38
popeyya21:40
popeylost a stone so far21:40
bigcalmWell done21:40
mgdmblimey21:40
bigcalmOMG, it's the RAT in 6 days21:41
popeyindeed21:41
popeythats going to be interesting. never been on the RAT and had no booze21:42
bigcalmWe got our wedding rings today (had to wait for them to be made). Having a sneaky trial run with mine to see how I get one while typing21:42
popeyhah21:42
popeyi take mine off _all_ the time21:42
popeyi also drop it on the floor a lot21:42
popeydropped it on our honeymoon, through the cracks in the wooden decking and onto the sand underneath21:43
bigcalm:O21:43
popeyhad to crawl about 20 feet under the decking from the beach21:43
bigcalmClever lad21:43
popeylucky to find it again21:43
bigcalmDoes Clare like to remind you of this?21:44
popeyshe does21:44
bigcalmHehe21:44
popeywhenever we are in the lounge and she hears the familiar sound of metal on carpet21:44
bigcalmHow long have you two been married for?21:45
popeyit's 2013, so 13 years :D21:47
bigcalmThat's a handy way to remember21:50
bigcalmMaybe Hayley and I should have tied the knot 3 years ago21:50
popeywe got engaged in 1999, and married exactly one year later to the day21:52
popeyshould probably get my ring polished at some point21:53
popeyjust went to look at my hand to see how scruffy it was and noticed it wasn't there, but was on the desk ☻21:53
bigcalmFnar fnar21:53
bigcalmOh, wrong channel21:53
popey\o/ highlights21:53
* bigcalm turns into a giggling 14 year old21:54
bigcalmNo difference from a giggling 34 year old it would seem21:54
bigcalmLets play Fez!22:02
ali1234fez \o/22:12
mgdmg'night22:12
ali1234bigcalm: i found a weird thing in fez nobody else on the internet has ever mentioned22:12
bigcalmNight mgdm22:12
bigcalmali1234: which is?22:13
ali1234in the room where you lower the water, the pillars have some suspicious looking markings on them22:13
ali1234http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x_FbFIR1Tq4#t=28 <- this room22:14
ali1234below the "mouths" there's that 2x4 block pattern... in different ones a different block is missing22:15
bigcalmali1234: not noticed that before. But I don't know if it has meaning or not. I've completed the game enough to get the stereoscopic view (but lack glasses for it) and haven't seen it mentioned22:20
ali1234another weird thing that nobody seems to have looked at is those 3x3 "photos" in the starting village houses22:28
ali1234there is something odd about the colours they use22:28
ali1234they are neither RGB nor CMY22:28
ali1234they are from a specific palette though, it's kind of orange-turqoise-dark green22:30
ali1234i don't know what to make of it but it seems nothing in this game is accidental22:30
bigcalmFo show22:38
bigcalmali1234: have you found a game that you aren't able to complain about? :D22:39
ali1234when did i complain?22:39
bigcalmYou complain about a lot of things22:39
ali1234when did i complain about fez though?22:39
bigcalmThat is my point22:40
ali1234oic22:40
ali1234well, yes22:40
ali1234there are other games i don't have any complaints about though22:40
ali1234i think fez is might be my new favourite game though22:41
bigcalmI loved it22:41
ali1234i could go on for quite a long time about why it is great22:41
ali1234like for example there is no killing in it, at all22:42
bigcalmIt's very well thought out22:42
ali1234there isn't even anything "living" that can kill you22:42
bigcalmYou can kill Gomez by jumping off things and into holes22:42
ali1234yes and that is it22:42
ali1234lava/sewer water kills you22:42
ali1234that's the most dangerous thing22:43
ali1234they also didn't include a slippy slidey ice world. i hate those22:43
bigcalmHehe22:43
ali1234and unlike, say, braid, the gimmick feels completely natural22:43
bigcalmSaying that makes me want to play some Zelda22:43
ali1234i don't see how anyone can ever make another platform game that doesn't have this rotation mechanic now22:44
bigcalmYou had some of it with paper mario22:44
ali1234there are also no walls anywhere22:45
ali1234the only direction that blocks stop you moving is down22:45
ali1234that really gives a feeling of being able to go anywhere22:46
bigcalmSo how far have you tried to swim?22:46
ali1234swim?22:47
ali1234i tried to swim off the side of one map cos i thought that was the solution22:47
bigcalmIn the worlds where water doesn't kill you22:47
ali1234and then later on that turned out to be the solution to a different map XD22:47
ali1234there's also a code that lets you fly anywhere in new game+22:48
ali1234i managed to get trapped with that and had to quit the game22:48
bigcalmOooo22:48
bigcalmI haven't found that yet22:49
ali1234i flew on top of something really high and even if i tried to fly down it registered as "fell to your death"22:49
bigcalmSomething new for me to see22:49
ali1234so you did the lava room without cheating? nice22:49
bigcalmUg22:49
bigcalmThat was painful22:49
ali1234yes, the only frustrating bit of the game22:49
bigcalmBut rewarding22:50
ali1234this game is most like the dizzy games i think22:50
ali1234except without the fake difficulty that made you smash the controller and throw the computer out the window22:51
bigcalmGlad I didn't get to play the Dizzy games as a child22:51
bigcalmThough there were plenty of other such games to frustrate me22:52
ali1234super meat boy :)22:52
bigcalmI didn't have that as a child either :P22:52
ali1234well yeah - it's a modern game22:52
ali1234in the USC - good game, if you like that kind of thing22:52
bigcalmBut I do now have an xbox controller (played all of fez with it). Will have to give it a go on Super Meat Boy22:53
ali1234annoyingly no linux version on steam22:53
bigcalmNo, that is annoying22:53
bigcalmI got it from the HIB I think a long time ago22:53
ali1234yeah me too22:53
ali1234tip: you can remap controller buttons ina config file22:53
ali1234for me, they were all wrong on the defaults22:54
ali1234but there's no in game remap22:54
bigcalmhttp://dbsoundworks.bandcamp.com/album/super-meat-boy-digital-special-edition-soundtrack & http://dbsoundworks.bandcamp.com/album/super-meat-boy-choice-piano-cuts let me enjoy the game without playing it22:55
popeybigcalm: you using an xbox controller on linux?22:56
bigcalmThe piano cuts are wonderful - I'm a fan of piano solo music22:56
bigcalmpopey: yes22:56
ali1234popey: me too22:56
popeyooh!22:56
bigcalmpopey: saved me from buying an xbox22:56
popeywhat sorcery?22:56
bigcalmpopey: none22:56
bigcalmpopey: just works (tm)22:56
popeya bog standard xbox 360 controller?22:57
bigcalmYes22:57
ali1234http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBHGtPL_KZQ if you haven't see it, this is great22:57
bigcalmpopey: though I bought one that came with the usb adapter in the package22:57
ali1234popey: i use a original xbox controller with a usb connector soldered on it22:57
ali1234it works ootb in fez22:57
ali1234but only after i mapped it properly in steam big picture mode22:57
ali1234the button mapping is slightly different to the 360 controller22:58
popeyi have an xbox 360 controller here22:58
bigcalmWorks out of the box in linux in fez for me22:58
bigcalmSorry, xbox 36022:58
ali1234but it works correctly in all steam games due to them all taking the config from steam22:58
bigcalmAh22:58
bigcalmI've been playing fez from steam, which is why it works then22:58
ali1234that's why i needed to edit the meat boy config i guess22:58
ali1234well the 360 controller is "standard"22:59
ali1234it probably works everywhere22:59
ali1234but original one is nearly but not quite the same and most games don't handle it (because you need to solder a new connector to even use it)22:59
ali1234steam has many controller profiles built in also: it has the 360 but not the orignal mapping23:00
ali1234this is all done wit SDL2 btw \o/23:00
ali1234SDL is now sponsored by valve23:00
ali1234in the sense they employ the lead developer and big picture mode uses it23:01
bigcalmYeah, that metal remix wasn't for me :S23:01
* bigcalm goes back to the piano cuts23:01
ali1234i love the crazy 7/4 time signature23:01
bigcalmOh look, it's Monday :(23:02
bigcalmTime to stop pretending to be married and put the wedding rings in the safe23:02
bigcalmNighty night peeps23:02
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ali1234night23:03
popeynn23:03
popeywonder what the maximum number of bluetooth remotes you could support on one machine23:22
popeypractically speaking23:22
ahayzenpopey, think it is 7?23:25
ali1234bluetooth remotes?23:26
popeycontrollers, like the xbox36023:27
ali1234i think the 7 limit is only for piconets, which is BT-PAN basically23:28
ahayzenthe PS3 has a limit of 7 controllers and it uses bluetooth as the connection IIRC23:28
ahayzenWikipedia states 'A master Bluetooth device can communicate with a maximum of seven devices in a piconet'23:28
popeyhmm23:28
ali1234yeah but a piconet isn't limited to 8 devices total23:29
ali1234it's a tree23:29
ali1234and basic bluetooth comms (rfcomm) doesn't use it anyway i think23:29
ali1234blah... i've forgotten how it works23:30
ali1234i have no idea :/23:30
popeywhereas you can have many many USB devices23:31
popeywell, you could have multiple bt dongles and 7 per dongle?23:31
ali123412723:31
popeyper root hub?23:31
ali1234per port23:31
ali1234technically yes23:31
ali1234and yeah you can have multiple bluetooth adapters without problems23:32

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