[07:59] <JimboPea> Hi guys, I have a HP laptop with an amd apu a8, and discrete graphics. I have the latest beta driver installed. Buw when i run "aticonfig --od-getclocks" it only shows t.he clocks for the intergrated gpu and doesnt see the discrete card. Any ideas?
[08:00] <directhex> add --adapter=all ?
[08:01] <JimboPea> thanks :)
[08:06] <JimboPea> So im trying to overclock my discrete card, which is adapter 1. I know i need to run "aticonfig --od-setclocks=500,420" but im not sure how to apply this to one adapter only
[08:13] <directhex> er... try --adapter=1
[08:58] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone,
[09:18] <Myrtti> Azelphur: where did you see the Huawei for 70quid?
[09:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:54] <AlanBell> morning
[09:58] <brobostigon> an ingress sea of blue, :)
[09:59] <bigcalm> I should really get around to playing ingress
[10:00] <brobostigon> it sucks battery, as it requires the gps to always be on.
[10:05]  * bigcalm skips off to collect his wedding rings and suit :D
[10:05] <brobostigon> :)
[10:05] <brobostigon> good luck bigcalm
[11:19]  * penguin42 realises he has three songs in his collection named 'Last train to...'
[11:30] <Azelphur> now you just need to mix them together, so you can have last train to last train to last train
[11:32] <penguin42> hmm
[14:19]  * Monotoko watches his production server fall the ground
[14:20] <Monotoko> turns out that "rm -rf ./*" is pretty close to the evil command
[14:20] <penguin42> oops
[14:21] <AlanBell> the command that shall not be named
[14:26] <Monotoko> times like this, I actually like the cloud
[14:26] <Monotoko> makes it really damn easy to restore my disk to an older version
[14:27] <Monotoko> let this be a lesson to all, don't attempt to do a quick fix on a Sunday afternoon
[15:59] <dwatkins> woohoo, finally got Ubuntu installed on my MacBook Pro using a Nifty Minidrive :D #SmugModeEngaged
[16:00] <penguin42> Monotoko: Your cloud provider provides regular snapshots or something?
[16:15] <Monotoko> penguin42: I take regular snapshots before doing anything major
[16:15] <Monotoko> so if I do screw it up I can just revert
[16:16] <penguin42> yeh always good
[16:59] <mungbean> ugh , yahoo groups is so afwul
[17:01] <mungbean> also, depending on which yahoo page i'm on, i have either no mail, 99+ emails, or 55 emails
[17:16] <popey> Evening ratfans.
[17:34] <penguin42> ratfans?
[17:35] <penguin42> Roland?
[17:46] <mungbean> just bought a set of linka moulds \o/
[17:46] <mungbean> the younglings here won't know what that is
[17:46] <ali1234> i know what those are
[17:46] <ali1234> without googling too
[17:47]  * penguin42 doesn't
[17:47] <ali1234> i'm too young but my brother had a set
[17:47] <penguin42> modelling?
[17:47] <ali1234> penguin42: they are moulds for model buildings basically - you pour in plaster and get wall pieces that link together
[17:50] <ali1234> interestingly enough one of the computer programs i am trying to recover from these C64 tapes is the program he wrote to design linka building layouts for wargaming
[17:52] <penguin42> uisng an emulator?
[17:54] <ali1234> using a tape player and recording the sound
[17:54] <penguin42> nod, I'm assuming some of the c64 emulators have demodulators for it?
[17:54] <popey> oh, i always wondered how those houses were made
[17:54] <gordonjcp> ooh, I've got some linka moulds somewhere
[17:55] <popey> didn't realise there was a whole thing to make them
[17:55] <penguin42> popey: I'd always assumed it was people who were just very clever and patient
[17:55] <popey> heh, ditto
[17:55] <ali1234> penguin42: there's software to demodulate it from wav files yes - it works well but in this case the tapes have been taped over which presents rather more difficult challenge
[17:55] <penguin42> ali1234: Hehe oh that's a bit special then
[17:56] <penguin42> ali1234: tried moving the tape head a bit on the playback machine to see if you can get one better than the other?
[17:56] <ali1234> that's what i want to try
[17:56] <ali1234> but i can't do it on my tape player cos it's a walkman
[17:57] <ali1234> so i have a plan: i built a tape winder with lego, and i'm going to try to read the tape with a floppy drive head
[17:57] <ali1234> using the stepper for fine tracking control
[17:57] <penguin42> heck, not got a clue if that would work or if the tape speeds are anywhere in similar speeds etc
[17:58] <ali1234> they are very similar
[17:59] <ali1234> track width is almost the same, floppy disk revolves a bit faster than cassette tape though
[17:59] <ali1234> but i can wind the tape any speed i like
[17:59] <penguin42> good luck
[18:00] <ali1234> the tricky bit is going to be figuring out the pin-out of the drive head and how to amplify the signal enough for a sound card
[18:00]  * penguin42 has enough tape decks around here that I could probably find one I could move
[18:00] <ali1234> i'm not old enough to have a large collection of tape players
[18:00] <penguin42> haha
[18:00] <ali1234> i do have a couple of portable CD players and a minidisc player
[18:03] <ali1234> and of course a box with about 50 old floppy drives and CD drives
[18:24] <ali1234> hmm... so my tape player has auto-reverse but it seems that the reverse heads are kind of misaligned, because the audio is very quiet from them
[18:25] <ali1234> maybe i can make use of that...
[18:27] <ali1234> either that or this tape is just disintegrating
[18:34] <mungbean> gordonjcp: made anything withthem?@
[18:34] <gordonjcp> mungbean: not for at least 30 years ;-)
[18:35] <mungbean> used to make stuff as a little kid, don't remember what happened to the moulds. thought it miht be nice family activity
[18:35] <mungbean> beats lego for creating nice stuff
[18:40] <mungbean> there's also fantasy stuff too http://www.hirstarts.com/projects.html
[18:41] <ali1234> the trouble with this type of thing, which doesn't apply to lego, is what do you do with the models when you've built them?
[18:41] <penguin42> ali1234: Run the trains around them?
[18:47] <mungbean> make dioramas
[18:48] <mungbean> make houses for the kid to play with his cars/train set
[18:48] <mungbean> for my airfix stuff, the act of creation is most of the fun but i have a display case with them in
[18:49] <mungbean> my wife is understanding because half the house is full of knitting paraphernalia
[18:52] <mungbean> i gather quite a few people do it for wargaming but i don't really know much about that
[19:21] <mungbean> watched grave of fireflies...rather depressing.
[19:41] <diddledan> was it in here that I came up against backpush about the us healthcare obamacare nhs type reforms?
[19:41] <ali1234> i doubt it
[19:41] <diddledan> yeah, so do I but I can't think where else it would be
[19:41] <ali1234> don't you have logs?
[19:41] <directhex> computery places are a bastion of hardcore liberalism. also libertarianism, though
[19:42] <diddledan> directhex: indeed
[19:42] <ali1234> ironically they are completely opposite philosophies
[19:43] <diddledan> well anyway, it's an interesting watch and completely offtopic, but I feel like sharing some "facts" about us healthcare vs nhs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M
[19:43] <ali1234> when you say pushback what do you mean exactly?
[19:43] <ali1234> i men what direction?
[19:43] <diddledan> against national healthcare
[19:44] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure everyone here loves the nhs
[19:44] <diddledan> as in pro the insurance company system
[19:44] <directhex> ali1234, economically, yes, they're opposites
[19:44] <diddledan> I certainly love the nhs
[19:44] <directhex> ali1234, very few "social conservatives" in these parts though
[19:45] <diddledan> I guess it might have been in the wordpress channel but I believe I was surprised that someone would mention it in the ubuntu-uk channel
[19:45] <diddledan> I gonna go search for logs now
[19:45] <ali1234> well there's nothing in my logs
[19:45] <ali1234> for "obama"
[19:46] <ali1234> you've only said it once before here
[19:46] <directhex> the nsa is deleting your irc logs?
[19:46] <directhex> *thanks* obama
[19:47] <diddledan> dammit, I haven't been logging
[19:47] <ali1234> that meme is hilarious
[19:47] <diddledan> logging turned on now
[19:48] <ali1234> wordpress seems a likely place for this argument - lot of americans there, and freelance web devs do tend to be libertarian in my experience
[19:48] <ali1234> the american ones anyway
[20:12] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[20:13] <popey> yo
[20:17] <pr0ph3t> I have a lil problem, I'm trying to share the public folder, with samba installed in both ubuntu boxes, but I can't see them in Browse Network, Nautilus. What's strange is that my cousing can see my shares from his mac!
[20:20] <directhex> ali1234, the thing about libertarianism is we know what it leads to - there is already a country out there living the libertarian ideal. no government interference in private affairs, no government regulation getting in the way of private enterprise. just free men and women, contracts, and private enforcement. i call this place "Libertaria", although i believe the commonly used name is "Somalia"
[20:20] <pr0ph3t> we're connected to same network, I was wondering if there was a command line way of checking available shares
[20:21] <ali1234> directhex: yes i agree
[20:21] <directhex> pr0ph3t, there is. erm... something like smbclient -L?
[20:21] <directhex> pr0ph3t, definitely smbclient is the command you want, but i can't remember the flags, it's been so long since i've used it
[20:21] <pr0ph3t> directhex, I guess the problem is in trusting human beings to much, after all some kill, rape and do other horrible things, so to say that no control is needed from "above" is to forget the nature of some human beings
[20:22] <ali1234> libertarians typically do support some government regulation though - contract law and property law but nothing else
[20:23] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[20:24] <directhex> ali1234, yeah, they have a very childish view of "the only parts of law that are needed are the parts that support my drawn-in-crayon philosophy, everything else is pointless"
[20:24] <ali1234> yes, quite
[20:24] <ali1234> but to be fair, somalia isn't that
[20:25] <directhex> ali1234, the key issue is libertarians don't believe in negative externalities or public good, so things like "poisoning air" can apparently be handled 100% by private contracts between every person in the country and  every single polluter in america - but not govt regulation because that's evil
[20:26] <ali1234> yes
[20:26] <pr0ph3t> directhex, smbclient -L 192.168.x.x was the command, and it shows the Public folder share, but it doesn't on nautilus
[20:26] <directhex> ali1234, the whole philosophy is drawn in crayon, it doesn't account for "reality"
[20:26] <directhex> ali1234, much like basic marxism
[20:26] <ali1234> i wonder what happens in libertarian world if someone buys a large plot of land and sets up a democratic system of government and hangs a "no libertarians" sign on the front door
[20:27] <ali1234> presumably they would be fine with that?
[20:27] <ali1234> since it is private property
[20:29] <ali1234> marxism is at least based in mathematical truths. i like that part of it
[20:32] <ali1234> you are still right of course. mathematics is an abstraction and therefore not reality
[20:36] <pr0ph3t> ali1234, economic determinism
[20:36] <mgdm> http://news.stv.tv/politics/239574-nick-clegg-warns-against-outright-tory-or-labour-victory-in-2015/ yes, I'm sure he does
[20:36] <mgdm> eejit
[20:38] <ali1234> i want to see more coalition
[20:38] <ali1234> if we had four or five different parties instead of two they'd never be able to get anything done
[20:39] <ali1234> lab-con coalition would be funny too
[20:39] <pr0ph3t> I can't even see the computer name in Browse Network, I have two Ubuntu boxes, but they do not show up for me, I can see my cousin's MacBook, but not the linux boxes names, but I can access them with smbclient, is it a Nautilus problem then do you think?
[20:40] <ali1234> pr0ph3t: that is not unusual. try typing in the ip address in smb:// format
[20:40] <ali1234> network browsing is a really horrible mess - it often doesn't even work on windows
[20:45] <pr0ph3t> ali1234, it works with smb:// format, I can access or mount the share
[20:45] <pr0ph3t> strange that nautilus does not recognise it though
[20:45] <pr0ph3t> do you all use nautilus?
[20:45] <ali1234> i use thunar/xfce but it uses the same backend
[20:45] <ali1234> gvfs
[20:45] <ali1234> and i used nautilus until two weeks ago
[20:46] <ali1234> browsing is done on a different protocol to smb
[20:46] <ali1234> it is really complex and never works right
[20:48] <pr0ph3t> sometimes it does :P
[20:50] <pr0ph3t> plus I really like nautilus
[20:51] <ali1234> well you won't find anything that works any better than nautilus, that's for sure
[20:54] <directhex> computers are terrible. stick with videotape.
[21:12] <pr0ph3t> how about email client? You're all using thunderbird/evolution?
[21:15] <bigcalm> Mutt!
[21:16] <pr0ph3t> eheh, I had some problems viewing html pages with Mutt unfortunately :-)
[21:20] <bigcalm> Thunderbird is the default, so most people use that if not gmail
[21:30] <bigcalm> I wonder if popey managed to salvage the audio from last week's podcast
[21:30] <popey> not yet
[21:31] <bigcalm> Waiting for an interface?
[21:31] <popey> waiting for time
[21:31] <popey> working right now
[21:32] <bigcalm> Ah
[21:32] <bigcalm> Eugh
[21:32] <bigcalm> I say eugh and I've just loaded my IDE :(
[21:32]  * bigcalm goes to find a glass of wine to take the sting out of the evening
[21:33] <popey> ☹
[21:33] <popey> over a month since I had any booze
[21:34] <popey> or coffee
[21:38] <mgdm> given them up?
[21:40] <popey> ya
[21:40] <popey> lost a stone so far
[21:40] <bigcalm> Well done
[21:40] <mgdm> blimey
[21:41] <bigcalm> OMG, it's the RAT in 6 days
[21:41] <popey> indeed
[21:42] <popey> thats going to be interesting. never been on the RAT and had no booze
[21:42] <bigcalm> We got our wedding rings today (had to wait for them to be made). Having a sneaky trial run with mine to see how I get one while typing
[21:42] <popey> hah
[21:42] <popey> i take mine off _all_ the time
[21:42] <popey> i also drop it on the floor a lot
[21:43] <popey> dropped it on our honeymoon, through the cracks in the wooden decking and onto the sand underneath
[21:43] <bigcalm> :O
[21:43] <popey> had to crawl about 20 feet under the decking from the beach
[21:43] <bigcalm> Clever lad
[21:43] <popey> lucky to find it again
[21:44] <bigcalm> Does Clare like to remind you of this?
[21:44] <popey> she does
[21:44] <bigcalm> Hehe
[21:44] <popey> whenever we are in the lounge and she hears the familiar sound of metal on carpet
[21:45] <bigcalm> How long have you two been married for?
[21:47] <popey> it's 2013, so 13 years :D
[21:50] <bigcalm> That's a handy way to remember
[21:50] <bigcalm> Maybe Hayley and I should have tied the knot 3 years ago
[21:52] <popey> we got engaged in 1999, and married exactly one year later to the day
[21:53] <popey> should probably get my ring polished at some point
[21:53] <popey> just went to look at my hand to see how scruffy it was and noticed it wasn't there, but was on the desk ☻
[21:53] <bigcalm> Fnar fnar
[21:53] <bigcalm> Oh, wrong channel
[21:53] <popey> \o/ highlights
[21:54]  * bigcalm turns into a giggling 14 year old
[21:54] <bigcalm> No difference from a giggling 34 year old it would seem
[22:02] <bigcalm> Lets play Fez!
[22:12] <ali1234> fez \o/
[22:12] <mgdm> g'night
[22:12] <ali1234> bigcalm: i found a weird thing in fez nobody else on the internet has ever mentioned
[22:12] <bigcalm> Night mgdm
[22:13] <bigcalm> ali1234: which is?
[22:13] <ali1234> in the room where you lower the water, the pillars have some suspicious looking markings on them
[22:14] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x_FbFIR1Tq4#t=28 <- this room
[22:15] <ali1234> below the "mouths" there's that 2x4 block pattern... in different ones a different block is missing
[22:20] <bigcalm> ali1234: not noticed that before. But I don't know if it has meaning or not. I've completed the game enough to get the stereoscopic view (but lack glasses for it) and haven't seen it mentioned
[22:28] <ali1234> another weird thing that nobody seems to have looked at is those 3x3 "photos" in the starting village houses
[22:28] <ali1234> there is something odd about the colours they use
[22:28] <ali1234> they are neither RGB nor CMY
[22:30] <ali1234> they are from a specific palette though, it's kind of orange-turqoise-dark green
[22:30] <ali1234> i don't know what to make of it but it seems nothing in this game is accidental
[22:38] <bigcalm> Fo show
[22:39] <bigcalm> ali1234: have you found a game that you aren't able to complain about? :D
[22:39] <ali1234> when did i complain?
[22:39] <bigcalm> You complain about a lot of things
[22:39] <ali1234> when did i complain about fez though?
[22:40] <bigcalm> That is my point
[22:40] <ali1234> oic
[22:40] <ali1234> well, yes
[22:40] <ali1234> there are other games i don't have any complaints about though
[22:41] <ali1234> i think fez is might be my new favourite game though
[22:41] <bigcalm> I loved it
[22:41] <ali1234> i could go on for quite a long time about why it is great
[22:42] <ali1234> like for example there is no killing in it, at all
[22:42] <bigcalm> It's very well thought out
[22:42] <ali1234> there isn't even anything "living" that can kill you
[22:42] <bigcalm> You can kill Gomez by jumping off things and into holes
[22:42] <ali1234> yes and that is it
[22:42] <ali1234> lava/sewer water kills you
[22:43] <ali1234> that's the most dangerous thing
[22:43] <ali1234> they also didn't include a slippy slidey ice world. i hate those
[22:43] <bigcalm> Hehe
[22:43] <ali1234> and unlike, say, braid, the gimmick feels completely natural
[22:43] <bigcalm> Saying that makes me want to play some Zelda
[22:44] <ali1234> i don't see how anyone can ever make another platform game that doesn't have this rotation mechanic now
[22:44] <bigcalm> You had some of it with paper mario
[22:45] <ali1234> there are also no walls anywhere
[22:45] <ali1234> the only direction that blocks stop you moving is down
[22:46] <ali1234> that really gives a feeling of being able to go anywhere
[22:46] <bigcalm> So how far have you tried to swim?
[22:47] <ali1234> swim?
[22:47] <ali1234> i tried to swim off the side of one map cos i thought that was the solution
[22:47] <bigcalm> In the worlds where water doesn't kill you
[22:47] <ali1234> and then later on that turned out to be the solution to a different map XD
[22:48] <ali1234> there's also a code that lets you fly anywhere in new game+
[22:48] <ali1234> i managed to get trapped with that and had to quit the game
[22:48] <bigcalm> Oooo
[22:49] <bigcalm> I haven't found that yet
[22:49] <ali1234> i flew on top of something really high and even if i tried to fly down it registered as "fell to your death"
[22:49] <bigcalm> Something new for me to see
[22:49] <ali1234> so you did the lava room without cheating? nice
[22:49] <bigcalm> Ug
[22:49] <bigcalm> That was painful
[22:49] <ali1234> yes, the only frustrating bit of the game
[22:50] <bigcalm> But rewarding
[22:50] <ali1234> this game is most like the dizzy games i think
[22:51] <ali1234> except without the fake difficulty that made you smash the controller and throw the computer out the window
[22:51] <bigcalm> Glad I didn't get to play the Dizzy games as a child
[22:52] <bigcalm> Though there were plenty of other such games to frustrate me
[22:52] <ali1234> super meat boy :)
[22:52] <bigcalm> I didn't have that as a child either :P
[22:52] <ali1234> well yeah - it's a modern game
[22:52] <ali1234> in the USC - good game, if you like that kind of thing
[22:53] <bigcalm> But I do now have an xbox controller (played all of fez with it). Will have to give it a go on Super Meat Boy
[22:53] <ali1234> annoyingly no linux version on steam
[22:53] <bigcalm> No, that is annoying
[22:53] <bigcalm> I got it from the HIB I think a long time ago
[22:53] <ali1234> yeah me too
[22:53] <ali1234> tip: you can remap controller buttons ina config file
[22:54] <ali1234> for me, they were all wrong on the defaults
[22:54] <ali1234> but there's no in game remap
[22:55] <bigcalm> http://dbsoundworks.bandcamp.com/album/super-meat-boy-digital-special-edition-soundtrack & http://dbsoundworks.bandcamp.com/album/super-meat-boy-choice-piano-cuts let me enjoy the game without playing it
[22:56] <popey> bigcalm: you using an xbox controller on linux?
[22:56] <bigcalm> The piano cuts are wonderful - I'm a fan of piano solo music
[22:56] <bigcalm> popey: yes
[22:56] <ali1234> popey: me too
[22:56] <popey> ooh!
[22:56] <bigcalm> popey: saved me from buying an xbox
[22:56] <popey> what sorcery?
[22:56] <bigcalm> popey: none
[22:56] <bigcalm> popey: just works (tm)
[22:57] <popey> a bog standard xbox 360 controller?
[22:57] <bigcalm> Yes
[22:57] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBHGtPL_KZQ if you haven't see it, this is great
[22:57] <bigcalm> popey: though I bought one that came with the usb adapter in the package
[22:57] <ali1234> popey: i use a original xbox controller with a usb connector soldered on it
[22:57] <ali1234> it works ootb in fez
[22:57] <ali1234> but only after i mapped it properly in steam big picture mode
[22:58] <ali1234> the button mapping is slightly different to the 360 controller
[22:58] <popey> i have an xbox 360 controller here
[22:58] <bigcalm> Works out of the box in linux in fez for me
[22:58] <bigcalm> Sorry, xbox 360
[22:58] <ali1234> but it works correctly in all steam games due to them all taking the config from steam
[22:58] <bigcalm> Ah
[22:58] <bigcalm> I've been playing fez from steam, which is why it works then
[22:58] <ali1234> that's why i needed to edit the meat boy config i guess
[22:59] <ali1234> well the 360 controller is "standard"
[22:59] <ali1234> it probably works everywhere
[22:59] <ali1234> but original one is nearly but not quite the same and most games don't handle it (because you need to solder a new connector to even use it)
[23:00] <ali1234> steam has many controller profiles built in also: it has the 360 but not the orignal mapping
[23:00] <ali1234> this is all done wit SDL2 btw \o/
[23:00] <ali1234> SDL is now sponsored by valve
[23:01] <ali1234> in the sense they employ the lead developer and big picture mode uses it
[23:01] <bigcalm> Yeah, that metal remix wasn't for me :S
[23:01]  * bigcalm goes back to the piano cuts
[23:01] <ali1234> i love the crazy 7/4 time signature
[23:02] <bigcalm> Oh look, it's Monday :(
[23:02] <bigcalm> Time to stop pretending to be married and put the wedding rings in the safe
[23:02] <bigcalm> Nighty night peeps
[23:03] <ali1234> night
[23:03] <popey> nn
[23:22] <popey> wonder what the maximum number of bluetooth remotes you could support on one machine
[23:22] <popey> practically speaking
[23:25] <ahayzen> popey, think it is 7?
[23:26] <ali1234> bluetooth remotes?
[23:27] <popey> controllers, like the xbox360
[23:28] <ali1234> i think the 7 limit is only for piconets, which is BT-PAN basically
[23:28] <ahayzen> the PS3 has a limit of 7 controllers and it uses bluetooth as the connection IIRC
[23:28] <ahayzen> Wikipedia states 'A master Bluetooth device can communicate with a maximum of seven devices in a piconet'
[23:28] <popey> hmm
[23:29] <ali1234> yeah but a piconet isn't limited to 8 devices total
[23:29] <ali1234> it's a tree
[23:29] <ali1234> and basic bluetooth comms (rfcomm) doesn't use it anyway i think
[23:30] <ali1234> blah... i've forgotten how it works
[23:30] <ali1234> i have no idea :/
[23:31] <popey> whereas you can have many many USB devices
[23:31] <popey> well, you could have multiple bt dongles and 7 per dongle?
[23:31] <ali1234> 127
[23:31] <popey> per root hub?
[23:31] <ali1234> per port
[23:31] <ali1234> technically yes
[23:32] <ali1234> and yeah you can have multiple bluetooth adapters without problems