[00:01] <kostkon> wilee-nilee, just update the lines, replace with 'saucy', then apt-get update. you might get a warning from some that their pcakges are not available for saucy, ignore it for now, and then apt-get upgrade
[00:01] <kostkon> daaamn
[00:01] <kostkon> alastor__, ^^^
[00:02] <izinucs> I just installed 12.04 64bit on an older quad core. I can boot into the desktop, click the menu and have it open.. it won't take any other input.  going to tty2 I get a message on screen "out of frequency" so I can''t edit any config files.. how do I resolv this?
[00:02] <wilee-nilee> that does not help to learn what should be done
[00:02] <OerHeks> or just test sudo apt-get update and use paste.ubuntu.com for the errors
[00:02] <OerHeks> alastor__, ^
[00:04] <Thursday> is there a lot of people on this channel because a lot of people are having problems and bugs with their Ubuntu?
[00:04] <izinucs> Thursday: no.. people do lots of different things and don't know everything about everything
[00:05] <kostkon> Thursday, ask the same question in #ubuntu-offotopic. this is strictly only for support
[00:05] <OerHeks> Thursday, having issues and wanting information
[00:05] <Hodapp> There being a lot of people in this channel, and there being a lot of people having problems/bugs with Ubuntu, are probably correlated, not causative. The causative factor is probably the number of people using Ubuntu.
[00:06] <OerHeks> lurking here is a good start
[00:06] <wilee-nilee> izinucs, I would update/upgrade and then check the additional drivers
[00:07] <kostkon> izinucs, did you use the latest 12.04.3 iso?
[00:07] <izinucs> wilee-nilee: can't do that because I can't see anything at the tty terminal screen and the gui stops accepting input
[00:07] <izinucs> kostkon: yes.. just downloaded it..
[00:07] <kostkon> izinucs, ok. just checkin
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> izinucs, try ctrl-alt-t for a terminal on the desktop
[00:08] <Tekno> No wire all gone
[00:08] <izinucs> wilee-nilee: tried ctrl+alt+f2 instead of using the gui and can't see anything.. Frequency out of Range..error
[00:09] <izinucs> wilee-nilee: ctrl-alt-t will open the terminal window but will not accept input
[00:09] <wilee-nilee> izinucs, I thought you had a desktop with some control IE the menu.
[00:09] <izinucs> wilee-nilee: only to the first click.. after that no additional input is accepted.
[00:10] <wilee-nilee> izinucs, you can run a update from the recovery terminal
[00:10] <izinucs> wilee-nilee: how do I get to that.. on boot right?
[00:10] <kostkon> izinucs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[00:10] <wilee-nilee> izinucs, You might just have a bad install, hard to say at this point.
[00:11] <izinucs> wilee-nilee: seems to be somewhat know, a grub issue with 12.04 .. might have to use a rescue cd to edit :(
[00:12] <izinucs> brb
[00:13] <wilee-nilee> izinucs, If this is a fresh install I would not mess with trying to fix it myself, I would confirm the sum of the iso and do another install, if you find errors.
[00:14] <kostkon> izinucs, also you could download 13.04 and compare the results. although, sticking with12.04 would be better as it is an lts release
[00:25] <raygus> can someone help with trying to get vaapi working in mythtv. When I attempt playback everthing freezes
[00:25] <iljuschin> thank you kostkon , for your advice and help! leaving now, good night/day! :)
[00:26] <iljuschin> Dr_Willis seems to have left already
[00:26] <kostkon> iljuschin, have a nice day/night. bye
[00:26] <iljuschin> bye
[00:26] <raygus> can someone help with trying to get vaapi working in mythtv. When I attempt  video playback it freezes
[00:36] <wilee-nilee> raygus, I see #mythtv-users you might try there as well.
[00:44] <anshin> has anyone used wmctrl?
[00:46] <Guest86943> hello which version do you recommend the 13.04 or 12.04?
[00:47] <kostkon> Guest86943, 12.04. Supported for 5 years until 2017
[00:49] <anshin> kostkon: how long will 13.04 be supported? I didn't know there had been a change
[00:49] <Guest86943> thank you kostkon
[00:49] <kostkon> anshin, only a few months left i think. support period is sort for it, only 8 months
[00:49] <Guest86943> what is the real difference?
[00:49] <qin> !13.04
[00:50] <Guest86943> i see no one..
[00:50] <sadcat> 198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   097   097   000    Old_age   Offline      -       123
[00:50] <sadcat> buy a new drive?
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> sadcat, What does the smart check in disks say?
[00:51] <honestly> support period for 13.04 won't end before 13.10 is released, will it?
[00:52] <Tex_Nick> honestly: no
[00:52] <sadcat> long test says read failure
[00:52] <sadcat> there are 62 ata errors and 120 reallocated sectors
[00:52] <sadcat> i think this drive is going to die
[00:52] <wilee-nilee> sadcat, I would not use it myself.
[00:53] <wilee-nilee> honestly, The bots links have those answers.
[00:55] <sadcat> so i need to buy a new one and hope that the raid can be restored without an error
[00:57] <Tex_Nick> sadcat : i've been using a 2.5" WD 360GB drive ... that SMART says is likely to fail ... on the grandkids box for about a year now without problem ... wilee-nilee's advice is more than wise though !!!
[00:58] <rypervenche> sadcat: Replace the drive ASAP and backup anything that is important.
[00:58] <sadcat> the data on the storage is not that important. i  dont care a lot about a few TB of movies
[00:59] <sadcat> but since the values of other disks of the raid are not that good i'll better replace it
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> If you have backups of what you want to save you can do anything really, covering your booty is the goal.
[01:03] <kostkon> sadcat, dont care about TBs of movies? wow
[01:04] <OldTexas> Last night a feller gave me a name of a file to go for help with a wireless card n' I done up n' fergot what it was.  Dishwasher or somethin' like that.
[01:04] <kostkon> !ndiswrapper | OldTexas
[01:05] <sadcat> my internet is fast enough to download all of them in a week or so
[01:05] <kostkon> sadcat, nice
[01:05] <kostkon> sadcat, how fast
[01:05] <sadcat> 10MB/s up and down
[01:05] <kostkon> sadcat, ie ~100mbits?
[01:05] <OldTexas> ndiswrapper!!!  Thankie.  Gotta admit, it kinda sounds like "diswasher" :)
[01:06] <sadcat> yes
[01:06] <kostkon> sadcat, nice nice
[01:06] <sadcat> the problem is to collect all the uploaded/[whatever oneclickhoster] links
[01:06] <kostkon> sadcat, i always keep some in a text file ;)
[01:07] <kostkon> OldTexas, it does, but just a little bit
[01:07] <sadcat> the first thing i should do is to ls -alR the mountpoint
[01:08] <kostkon> sadcat, good idea
[01:16] <belkinsa> Is there a way to have PluseAudio to remember what volume level you had headphones plugged in after you disconnect them?
[01:18] <kostkon> belkinsa, you could try installing pavucontrol and setting the volume level for your headphones from there
[01:18] <kostkon> belkinsa, because in the ubuntu volume settings you can only change the master volume
[01:19] <kostkon> ubuntu sound settings*
[01:19] <kostkon> belkinsa, your headphones need to be connected to do that
[01:25] <snine> @search colin mochrie
[01:26] <Dragin> where should I go for 13.10 help for running an apache server?
[01:26] <dragan> im having problem installing g++ in ubuntu 13.04
[01:27] <Dragin> did you try sudo apt-get install g++?
[01:28] <Dragin> Apparently there are no helpers in here =(
[01:28] <dragan> yes
[01:29] <dragan> and i got ths The following packages have unmet dependencies:  g++ : Depends: g++-4.7 (>= 4.7.2-1~) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[01:29] <belkinsa> Just wait, someone will come and help you.  In the meanwhile, check the forums and ask Ubuntu.
[01:29] <kostkon> Dragin, #ubuntu+1
[01:30] <Dragin> been doing that for a couple of days now, belinska, but thanks =)
[01:30] <belkinsa> Okay, just keep waiting. You will get your answer.
[01:30] <Dragin> err... belkinska too ;)
[01:31] <Dragin> been having typos for days =(
[01:31] <belkinsa> If you have the question on ask Ubuntu, I can bump it up for you.
[01:31] <belkinsa> It's cool.
[01:31] <belkinsa> Wait, is that allowed?
[01:31] <Dragin> no, I have plenty of time. Been working the learning curve lol
[01:32] <belkinsa> New user of Ubuntu?
[01:32] <Dragin> yes, and no
[01:32] <Dragin> new user that decided to get serious because I have made some headway lol
[01:33] <Dragin> not new user because I have been tinkering with it since 8.xx
[01:33] <belkinsa> I understand.  I'm the same.  I'm using it for four years now and just now i'm starting to get back into the community.
[01:33] <belkinsa> Tinkering it, I might soon.
[01:33] <belkinsa> As for*
[01:33] <Dragin> I used to be good with DOS... back when Windows was still in its infancy... 3.11 ;)
[01:34] <belkinsa> Same here!  I was very young when my family had 3.1.
[01:34] <Dragin> I watch a lot of Nixie Pixel on YouTube. She's hot and smart ;)
[01:34] <green_geeky_dude> I wasn't so young "sniffle"
[01:34] <Dragin> me either lol
[01:34] <Dragin> 49 here ;)
[01:34] <Dragin> I is an old fart ;)
[01:35] <green_geeky_dude> LOL not yet
[01:35] <Dragin> lol
[01:35] <belkinsa> I think I was four to eight when we had it.
[01:35] <belkinsa> So, 1995-1998?
[01:35]  * Dragin does some quick calculations...
[01:35] <green_geeky_dude> <- hides under the desk while he burns his birth certificate
[01:36] <ThalinVien> !offtopic
[01:36] <Dragin> \/me caries the 3, and subtracts the five...
[01:36] <belkinsa> Sorry, ThalinVien for going off topic.
[01:36] <green_geeky_dude> my bad
[01:36] <derrik> i cant remember how to identify to chanserv
[01:36] <derrik> help?
[01:36] <Dragin> sounds about right belkinsa ;)
[01:37] <ThalinVien> derrik: /msg nickserv help identify
[01:37] <belkinsa> identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
[01:37] <derrik> thanks!
[01:37] <Dragin> type .msg NickServe Identify <password>
[01:37] <Dragin> just like it said ;)
[01:37] <fungoat> What's everyone using for a podcatcher?
[01:38] <lapt0p_> How to recover from a person you would die for?
[01:38] <belkinsa> !offtopic
[01:38] <lapt0p_> hahaha, just kiddin :)
[01:38] <falktx> I just found out one thing that works in irc that is kinda a secret
[01:38] <falktx> if you write ".pw password" your password gets like ***
[01:38] <falktx> let me try...
[01:38] <OldTexas> Well, I found the driver n' a install.sh.  I can hear the cluckin' but I can't find the nest.  Made a drivers directory n' opened i up in there.   ///home/thid/n'/that/install.sh   then tried it with file: ///ect...  Won't crank.
[01:38] <falktx> .pw *******
[01:39] <falktx> ha! works!
[01:39] <FloodBot1> falktx: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:40] <Dragin> I somehow locked my server so that it won't let me access localhost =(
[01:41] <OldTexas> Honest, I'm 'bout as confused as a termite in a yoyo.
[01:42] <Dragin> I have chmod 755 /var/www -R, then rebooted, but no help. then I chmod 777 /var/www -R and still no go
[01:42] <Dragin> any ideas anyone?
[01:42] <DEdesigns57> hello all, is this the main ubuntu channel
[01:42] <DEdesigns57> ?
[01:42] <belkinsa> Yes, for support.
[01:42] <Dragin> seems to be
[01:43] <DEdesigns57> awsome thx
[01:43] <DEdesigns57> just installed this OS
[01:43] <belkinsa> And your question is?
[01:43] <falktx> Dragin: shouldn't "-R" come before the path?
[01:43] <belkinsa> And welcome to the world of Ubuntu.
[01:43] <Dragin> Ubuntu is by far the best and easiest distro I have used... and I have tried a LOT of distros! lol
[01:44] <Dragin> tbh, I really don't know falktx. The web site I saw showed it last
[01:44] <falktx> Dragin: I've always used it before the path and it works for me
[01:45] <Dragin> ok. I will try that and see what happens. thanks falktx
[01:45] <falktx> Dragin: perhaps using "sudo chown user:user -R /path" is an option too?
[01:45] <Dragin> I did the sudo... kinda figured that was a given ;)
[01:45] <superjoe> I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreplaygain/+bug/1225557
[01:45] <superjoe> not sure if it's on topic in this channel, but just wanted to check if anyone knows anything relevant and could give hints
[01:46] <belkinsa> Mainly on what?
[01:46] <superjoe> libreplaygain (package included in ubuntu's repository) seems to be giving me bogus values
[01:46] <Dextrome> Hey peeps. I gotta a slight problem. I needed to have my laptop power on tomorrow morning to wake me up. I set it up in the BIOS, and set it to log me in automatically, disabling my password and setting it to auto-log in under the User Account settings. But now my old password that I would use for authenticating things (like installing an alarm clock app) won't work, and I can't unlock the User Account settings to fix it
[01:46] <belkinsa> Like what?
[01:47] <superjoe> like 0
[01:47] <dragan> i just changed sftware sources from serbia to main server and got 200 mb of updates i hope that i will be able to install build-essentials and g++ after update
[01:47] <superjoe> no matter the input
[01:47] <belkinsa> Have you read the doc for the program?
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> Dextrome, disabled your password?
[01:47] <OldTexas> Question... I got this wireless card, got the drivers for Linux from Realtek, created a drivers directory offa the Home directory, unzipped it in there and sure enough, there's a install.sh, but I'll be danged if I can come up with the command to use the file...
[01:47] <superjoe> belkinsa, at least 8 times
[01:47] <Dextrome> wilee-nilee, yes
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> not a good idea
[01:48] <Dextrome> wilee-nilee, I only needed it to wake me up in the morning, but now I can't authenticate anything
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> Dextrome, not sure of a fix.
[01:49] <Dextrome> wilee-nilee, ha, oh well. I've been wanting to do a new clean install anyway. Thanks anyway
[01:49] <OldTexas> Is it sudo /dir/dir/dir/install.sh?
[01:49] <Dragin> I typed sudo chmod 755 -R /var/www, it went to next line... (after pw of course...) then I typed sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart tp restart the server... Still getting the You don't have permission to access / on this server when I try going to localhost or the actual web site =(
[01:49] <bwayne> OldTexas: the command is the install.sh file itself. you'll want to 'chmod +x install.sh' to make sure it's executable. Then 'sudo ./install.sh' if you're sure you want to install it.
[01:49] <cipherboy> Hey, in Cinnamon running on Ubuntu 13.04, any tips and tricks to getting extensions to work? I have logged out and logged back in twice since enabling two different extension and it still has not applied.
[01:50] <OldTexas> by gotcha, and thanks.  One last question, what is the change directory command in Linuz
[01:51] <OldTexas> by gotcha, and thanks.  One last question, what is the change directory command in Linux
[01:51] <kostkon> !cinnamon | cipherboy
[01:51] <Dextrome> wilee-nilee, you know anything I can do to install this alarm clock app that I stll neep installed?
[01:51] <kostkon> :/
[01:51] <bwayne> OldTexas: 'cd <directory_name>'
[01:51] <belkinsa> ./cd is the command
[01:51] <OldTexas> duh...
[01:51] <belkinsa> ;)
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> cipherboy, This cinnamon from ubuntu or a ppa?
[01:51] <OldTexas> Sorry guys  That was funny.  TY
[01:51] <cipherboy> Ubuntu
[01:51] <bwayne> OldTexas: no duh's. We're not here to duh you.
[01:52] <belkinsa> lol
[01:52] <belkinsa> Don't worry, we have those moments.
[01:52] <OldTexas> bwayne,  I'm an old DOS dog tryin' to learn new tricks :)
[01:53] <reisio> sed s@\\\\@/@
[01:53] <genii> OldTexas: You might find https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal useful
[01:53] <bwayne> OldTexas: you may find this helpful. http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/unix_for_dos_users.html
[01:53] <kostkon> OldTexas, at least some commands are the same, e.g. cd
[01:54] <reisio> IME DOS users know about five of those DOS commands :p
[01:54] <Dextrome> wilee-nilee, I fixed it with the passwd command
[01:54] <bwayne> reisio: I doubt that. I've seen some pretty advanced bat files.
[01:55] <reisio> bwayne: for DOS and not Windows?
[01:55] <OldTexas> bwayne Bless you...  the ROSSETA STONE!!
[01:55]  * Dragin is an Old DOS dog too... Also a TEXAN and Proud of it =)
[01:55] <bwayne> reisio: for pre-NT era Windows.
[01:55] <OldTexas> dragan, there ya go :)
[01:56] <reisio> :p
[01:56] <bwayne> OldTexas: no prob
[01:57] <bwayne> i suppose speaking of posh scripts is verboten.
[01:59] <OldTexas> Are directory names case sensitive?
[01:59] <bwayne> OldTexas: you'll find that the linux shell is extremely powerful and flexible. far more so than DOS or CMD.
[01:59] <bwayne> OldTexas: yes
[01:59] <jrib> OldTexas: yes
[01:59] <Dragin> yes
[01:59] <kostkon> OldTexas, y
[01:59] <OldTexas> cool
[01:59] <kostkon> !tab | OldTexas, just a tip
[02:00] <bwayne> OldTexas: the filesystem itself is case-sensitive. foo and foO are different.
[02:00] <OldTexas> Hmmm... like doskey
[02:01] <Hodapp> ugh, doskey.
[02:01] <OldTexas> bwayne, that could be very handy
[02:01] <OldTexas> Hodapp, LOL :)
[02:01] <LrdArc> i can't connect to wifi with this description --> http://pastebin.com/vzLMUrDa
[02:01] <LrdArc> i used wifi card Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100
[02:02] <OldTexas> ls
[02:02] <OldTexas> oops
[02:02] <kostkon> OldTexas, no, dir
[02:02] <kostkon> :P
[02:02] <Dragin> I typed sudo chmod 755 -R /var/www, it went to next line... (after pw of course...) then I typed sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart tp restart the server... Still getting the You don't have permission to access / on this server when I try going to localhost or the actual web site =(
[02:03] <kostkon> OldTexas, dir woks too, just doesn't do any highlighting or something
[02:03] <Dragin> ls is the Linux dir DOS command ;)
[02:04] <cheshircat> -> Dragin try verifying the perms with ls -l in the var directory
[02:04] <bwayne> dir --color
[02:04] <kostkon> bwayne, nice
[02:04] <OldTexas> Yah, ls has purdy colors :)   Had and old dos program like that called hotdir, with colors.  Got it off a Big Blue Disk.   If anyone remembers those... you are an old f*cker like me :)
[02:04] <Dragin> cheshircat Ummm... I am a newb... Does anything go with that command?
[02:05] <Dragin> oh, wait... I THINK I understand.
[02:05] <cheshircat> no, just make sure you're in the /var directory
[02:05]  * nevyn had 4dos back in the day
[02:05] <Dragin> that is what I thought lol
[02:05] <Dragin> thanks
[02:05] <Dragin> brb
[02:05] <nevyn> OldTexas: ^^
[02:06] <Dragin> NICE little command that! ;)
[02:06] <OldTexas> bwayne indeed... dir --color looks just like ls
[02:06] <nevyn> ls --color
[02:06] <cipherboy> So anyone have suggestions on cinnamon or not?
[02:06] <cheshircat> I actually think it might be chmod -R 777 /var/www, not 777 -R
[02:06] <cheshircat> or 755
[02:07] <wilee-nilee> cipherboy, What are these extensions you speak of?
[02:07] <cheshircat> also, on ubuntu you should use services, not daemon scripts --> sudo service apache2 restart
[02:07] <cipherboy> Coverflow Alt-Tab and Wobbly windows, both off of the cinnamon extension site.
[02:07] <OldTexas> nevyn,  ever use desqview :)
[02:08] <Dragin> This is saying that folder is root access, correct? drwxr-xr-x  3 root 4096 Sep 14 20:46 www
[02:08] <Dragin> if so, EVERYTHING says root =(
[02:08] <Dragin> ok
[02:08] <cheshircat> hmmm
[02:09] <bwayne> OldTexas: you can find out just about everything about a command by reading its man page. 'man <command>'
[02:09] <Dragin> should I pastebin that stuff?
[02:09] <OldTexas> Wow, command line cut n' paste.
[02:09] <Dragin> it is about 15 or 20 lines
[02:09] <nevyn> OldTexas: know what it was never used it...
[02:09] <OldTexas> cool beans bwayne
[02:10] <wilee-nilee> cipherboy, I did not know they had added extensions, must be the gnome-shell extensions tweaked, not sure myself of the problems, you might as in a mint channel as well.
[02:10] <cheshircat> for ls -l, just the permissions on /var/www are fine, the rest doesn't matter
[02:10] <public> wasup
[02:10] <cipherboy> Thanks, will do.
[02:11] <Dragin> ok... Except if you go to my web site, I think you'll get a 403 Forbidden error
[02:11] <cheshircat> first make sure it isn't port forwarded, then try to chmod to 777
[02:11] <Dragin> it IS port forwarded
[02:11] <cheshircat> ah
[02:11] <Dragin> that is bad?
[02:11] <cheshircat> then setting write access is a bad idea
[02:12] <cheshircat> YOU'RE good
[02:12] <OldTexas> nevyn,  at one time, many, many years ago, on a planet far far away... No, wait, that's another story.   A few years ago I had an 8 line RBBS BBS with and Artisoft lan and two lines per PC with Desqview.  Shut down my last node Jan 1, 2000.  :(
[02:12] <Dragin> I still sucketh that chmod understanding =(
[02:12] <Dragin> that = at
[02:12] <cheshircat> so, it doesn't work for localhsot
[02:12] <Dragin> nope. Nor for the web site... try it?
[02:13] <cheshircat> try chowning /var/www to www-data
[02:13] <cheshircat> I'm to lazy to man the chown command, so you'll have to figure out the syntax yourself
[02:14] <cheshircat> the apache2 process should run as the user www-data
[02:14] <crocket> When I move a mouse cursor in video players in fullscreen mode, unity appeared on top for a short time.
[02:14] <crocket> I found a workaround for this issue.
[02:14] <crocket> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1156327/comments/4
[02:14] <Dragin> sudo chown  /var/www  /var/www-data?
[02:14] <b0x> chown -R www-data:www-data /home/$USER/public_html;
[02:14] <cheshircat> no, www-data is a user
[02:14] <Dragin> never seen a chown with other than numbers
[02:14] <cheshircat> chown is different than chmod
[02:15] <crocket> Does anyone experience the same issue as I did?
[02:15] <cheshircat> man it
[02:15] <usr13> Dragin: Why not just serve from a /home/user directory?
[02:15] <Dragin> doh!
[02:15] <b0x> find /home/$USER/public_html -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;
[02:15] <b0x> find /home/$USER/public_html -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;
[02:15] <b0x> etc
[02:15] <Dragin> sorry... I just realiuzed that was a chown and not a chmod lol
[02:15] <usr13> Dragin: apache follows symlinks by default.
[02:15] <usr13> (easier solution)
[02:15] <cheshircat> but that wouldn't solve a permissions issue
[02:16] <usr13> cheshircat: What?
[02:16] <cheshircat> his issue is with a 403 error
[02:16] <usr13> cheshircat: What do you mean?  It's not a user that accesses them?
[02:16] <OldTexas> compile make error 2   pfft
[02:17] <Dragin> usr13 actually that is what I want to do... still figuring this out. Old mind and VERY rusty... Needs a bit of axle grease ;)
[02:17] <cheshircat> now I'm confused, why would pointing the apache2 daemon at a home directory fix a permissions issue?
[02:18] <usr13> Dragin: Try it and see.  mkdir /home/Dragin/public_html  ; sudo ln -s /home/Dragin/public_html /var/www/site1 ;  cat /home/Dragin/public_html/index.html [Enter] <html>Hello world!</html> ; firefox localhost/site1
[02:19] <dragan> as i taught after changing sftware sources from serbia to main server im able to install build-essential
[02:19] <usr13> Dragin: It works, trust me.
[02:20] <usr13> Dragin: By default your directories will be 755 and files 644 and that will work for  you.
[02:20] <Dragin> thanks =)
[02:20] <cheshircat> well, sorry I lead you down the wrong track
[02:21] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys im having a wierd problem my wifi says im connected
[02:21] <Psil0Cybin> but im not getting internet
[02:21] <Psil0Cybin> but oin my other computer the net works fine
[02:21] <Psil0Cybin> what can i do to fix this? its wierd
[02:22] <ahow628> @psil: Are you using DHCP or are you assigning IPs?
[02:22] <usr13> Dragin: Directories will be drwxrwxr-x and files will be -rw-r--r--
[02:22] <usr13> ... which is default....
[02:22] <fm> heey
[02:23] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: route -n   #Do you see your gateway router's IP?
[02:23] <Psil0Cybin> yea
[02:23] <Psil0Cybin> i do
[02:23] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: cat /etc/resolv.conf   #Do you again see your gateway router's IP, or a valid nameserver?
[02:23] <belkinsa> FM, you have a question?
[02:24] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: host av.com    #To test your ability to resolve domain names.
[02:24] <belkinsa> Does anyone know if the app "Radio Tray" is still being developed?
[02:24] <Psil0Cybin> it says
[02:24] <Psil0Cybin> name server 127.0.0.1
[02:24] <Psil0Cybin> search home
[02:24] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: ping -c3 8.8.8.8    #To test your ability to ping a nameserver.
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> !enter | Psil0Cybin
[02:25] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: Can you ping 8.8.8.8  ?
[02:25] <Psil0Cybin> no
[02:25] <Psil0Cybin> 3 packets transmitted 0 recieved 100% packet loss
[02:25] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: Really?   Are you using a proxy server?
[02:25] <Psil0Cybin> no...
[02:26] <Dragin> I type this... ~public_html -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \; and I get this... ln: accessing ‘ype’: No such file or directory
[02:26] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: Can you ping the router's IP?
[02:26] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: ping -c3  192.168.1.1   #Or what ever the router's IP is.
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> no not successfully
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> it does not pin
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> ping but the internet will start working randomly
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> and then disconncet again
[02:26] <belkinsa> !enter
[02:26] <Psil0Cybin> :S
[02:26] <belkinsa> (sorry, had to!)
[02:27] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: ifconfig |grep Bcast   #What IP do you have?
[02:27] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: What does it say after "inet addr:"
[02:28] <Psil0Cybin> Bcast: 192.168.2.255 Mask: 255.255.255.0
[02:28] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: (Is it an IP that is in the same subnet as your router?
[02:28] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: Is this a wireless connection>?
[02:28] <Psil0Cybin> well my router ip is 192.168.2.1
[02:28] <Psil0Cybin> and its a wireless connection
[02:28] <Psil0Cybin> and i think so because its all one router.
[02:29] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: iwconfig    #What is link quality?
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> it was working before but i installed samba and after that this happened, it will sayt im connected....internet will work ill start downloading but my downloads stop
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> so i freaked out uninstalled samba
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> and same problem, but before this never happend
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> Link Quality 70/70
[02:29] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: I do not know why samba would make a difference.
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> Signal level =-26dBm
[02:29] <Psil0Cybin> thats why im confused usr13
[02:30] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: What is the IP of your router?
[02:30] <Psil0Cybin> how this happend all of a sudden
[02:30] <usr13> Oh, never mind.
[02:30] <Psil0Cybin> 192.168.2.1
[02:30] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: So you can not ping 192.168.2.1?
[02:30] <Psil0Cybin> no :S
[02:30] <K1rk> Anybody feel like a friendly game of Wolfenstein Enemy Territory? :)
[02:30] <K1rk> I've got a few people on.
[02:30] <K1rk> It runs on Ubuntu!
[02:30] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: I don't know then.  Mabye power-cycle the router.
[02:31] <Psil0Cybin> you think it can be the router?
[02:31] <belkinsa> !offtopic
[02:31] <belkinsa> To K1rk
[02:31] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: What did I just say?
[02:31] <Psil0Cybin> but my other computers work fine
[02:31] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[02:31] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: I don't know then.  Mabye power-cycle the router.
[02:31] <K1rk> belkinsa: yeah I suppose.
[02:31] <K1rk> lol
[02:33] <ahow628> Anyone know how to uninstall the update-manager gui? I have an underpowered laptop and only want to use CLI to update as GUI locks up intermittently.
[02:35] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: If that doesn't work, you might try rebooting the Ubuntu PC.  (Could be that the routing tables have somehow become corrupted.) (You never know.)  One other thing I can think of is that the WiFi device may have gone haywire.  Is it very close to the wireless-router?
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> ahow628, It's gotta be part of a meta group, just don;t use it, maybe try a light desktop.
[02:36] <ahow628> @wilee-nilee: Ok, thanks. I was hoping to dump it but oh well.
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> ahow628, You can tab complete nicks here, be careful with just picking at the desktop.
[02:37] <sixpks> hello
[02:37] <belkinsa> Hello,
[02:37] <sixpks> I am looking for some guidance on Upstart
[02:38] <belkinsa> Question?
[02:38] <bwayne> ahow628: you can click on 'Settings' you can choose to never check for updates.
[02:38] <usr13> sixpks: Ok,  What do you need to know?
[02:38] <sixpks> I have 4 services running on my ubuntu 12.04 lts box
[02:38] <ahow628> wilee-nilee: Ah, very nice on the tab complete. I might switch to xfce. I did never check, but when I 'apt-get update' the window pops up.
[02:38] <sixpks> Mysql, mongo,tomcat7 and apache2
[02:39] <wilee-nilee> ahow628, lxde/lubuntu is even lighter
[02:39] <sixpks> I see that mongo and mysql have conf files in init-- So I can add the respawn line in there
[02:39] <sixpks> so that they can resatrt when ever they crash
[02:39] <usr13> sixpks: If you do not keep all one one line, your information will be fragmented up and down and will be hard to follow what you are saying.  (Don't use Enter for punctuation.)
[02:40] <usr13> sixpks: service
[02:40] <usr13> sixpks: See;   man service
[02:40] <ahow628> wilee-nilee: It is a CR-48 with Chromebuntu completely removed and Ubuntu only. Unity runs ok, but I think lxde might be overkill (underkill?)
[02:40] <usr13> sixpks: Why would *they* crash?
[02:40] <sixpks> OOM
[02:40] <ahow628> wilee-nilee: *chromeos I mean.
[02:40] <usr13> sixpks: What does OOM mean?
[02:41] <sixpks> out of memory error
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> ahow628, ah, I see.
[02:41] <Dragin> sudo chown -R jeff /var/www:jeff /home/jeff/public_html;
[02:41] <usr13> sixpks: Can you give an example?  (of a service)
[02:41] <ahow628> wilee-nilee: Thanks for the help. later.
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> see yah
[02:41] <Dragin> if that is correct syntax, this is what it gives me...
[02:42] <Dragin> chown: cannot access ‘/var/www:jeff’: No such file or directory
[02:42] <Dragin> and I KNOW /var/www is there
[02:42] <sixpks> @usr13 -Mongodb
[02:42] <usr13> sixpks: I'll give *you* an example.    service cups status   #Will tell you the status of the service "cups"
[02:42] <Dragin> I am assuming that jeff (in this case) is user$
[02:43] <usr13> sixpks: service cups stop    #Will stop the service "cups"
[02:43] <usr13> sixpks: service cups start    #Will start the service "cups"
[02:43] <usr13> sixpks: .... catching on yet? .....
[02:43] <sixpks> usr13
[02:43] <sixpks> I understand the Service
[02:43] <sixpks> I use it allready
[02:44] <usr13> sixpks: What is your *real* question?
[02:44] <sixpks> the problem is that , I wnt to the services to start on thier own , when ever they crash
[02:44] <cheshircat> they're daemons; they should do that already
[02:44] <Dragin> that goes to the init. doesn't it?
[02:44] <Dragin> init.d that is
[02:44] <sixpks> I want MONGO and TOMCAT and Apache2 to start on thier own if they ever crash
[02:44] <usr13> sixpks: Most services don't "crash"
[02:45] <usr13> sixpks: How whould they crash?
[02:45] <sixpks> For us mongo has been crashing and stopping- the logs show "Out Of Memory"
[02:45] <cheshircat> well, there's your problem!
[02:45] <cheshircat> are you on a dedicated server, or vps?
[02:46] <Dragin> How can I log this file so that I can reboot then find the help I have been getting again?
[02:46] <usr13> sixpks: The problem is this;  If something made a service crash, that something will need to be done away with before it could be restarted.
[02:46] <usr13> sixpks: If you have a memory problem, you will need to fix the memory problem.
[02:46] <sixpks> Yes dragin
[02:46] <Dragin> Memory Leak sixpks?
[02:47] <bwayne> Dragin: what irc client are you using? most of them keep a log.
[02:47] <Dragin> pidgin
[02:47] <usr13> sixpks: Or, if you have a leak, you will need to fix it.
[02:47] <sixpks> yes the application is not well built- so we have a few memory leaks
[02:47] <phix> hey
[02:47] <sixpks> What do u thi8nk about respawn in Init
[02:47] <usr13> sixpks: You will need to fix it or find a version that does not have the problem.
[02:48] <cheshircat> I think your problem does not lie in restarting the process when it fails, rather just make sure it doesn't fail
[02:48] <phix> Is there a configuration file or similar that I can set how I want dual monitors to be setup automatically when one is plugged in?
[02:48] <bwayne> Dragin: not sure where pidgin keeps it. Check the preferences for pidgin.
[02:48] <usr13> sixpks: What is giving you the problem?
[02:48] <sixpks> MONGODB
[02:48] <sixpks> lack of Swap space- was crashing the MONGO
[02:49] <phix> I am using the properiatary NVIDIA drivers, when I plug in a HDMI cable is auto sets up in extend mode with the laptop monitor being tothe left of the plugged in monitor, I want to swap the default around so the laptop monitor is on the right and the plugged in monitor to the left
[02:49] <Dragin> just did a locate pidgin... tons of stuff, but easier for me to find out where they hid the logs ;) Thanks bwayne =)
[02:49] <wylde_> !logs | Dragin ;)
[02:49] <miceiken> Hi. So I just ran a apt-get install on pptpd and set it up according to whatever guides I could find. I'm not able to connect from my computer (not on the local network), when I check syslog it says: pppd[8094]: Couldn't open the /dev/ppp device: No such file or directory - is this related?
[02:50] <bwayne> Dragin: now you have two places to find the log. ;)
[02:50] <usr13> sixpks: What version of mongodb  do you have?
[02:50] <Dragin> thanls lol
[02:50] <Dragin> thanks even
[02:50] <Psil0Cybin> so wierd does anyone else have any idea on how i can diagnose a wifi connection that shows that its connected but really only lets me browse a few sites until it cannot reach any website?
[02:50] <usr13> sixpks: Lack of whap space?  So, how large is your swap partition?
[02:50] <usr13> sixpks: sudo fdisk -l
[02:50] <wylde_> Psil0Cybin: sounds like a dns issue to me.
[02:51] <bwayne> wylde_: thanks for that. didn't realize Ubuntu kept a log themselves. Nice.
[02:51] <usr13> sixpks: sudo fdisk -l  | pastebinit   #And show us URL
[02:51] <Psil0Cybin> wylde_: but it was working before, last night how can i fix a DNS issue, everything is set to automatic
[02:51] <wylde_> bwayne: it's handy at times :)
[02:51] <phix> Psil0Cybin: sounds like something is filtering it
[02:51] <Psil0Cybin> to get all information from my router.
[02:51] <OldTexas> I am an old DOS who is starting to tinker with Linux more and more.  Just to get off on a good foot since I will be using it intensively, which terminal is the most popular. I have been using the default Cntrl-Alt-T in Ubuntu, but there seems to be a multiplicity of choices out there.
[02:51] <Psil0Cybin> phix: but it works here
[02:51] <Psil0Cybin> and there
[02:51] <belkinsa> Got your answer, Dragin?
[02:51] <Psil0Cybin> so its notbeing blocked...
[02:51] <cheshircat> phix: nautilus manages the desktop currently, so you have to use tweak tool to make it not, and then there is an app that allows you to set backgrounds for multiple displays
[02:51] <phix> Psil0Cybin: you have a firewall setup on your network?  or a filtering proxy or anything liek that?
[02:52] <wylde_> Psil0Cybin: wireless controller dying perhaps?
[02:52] <cheshircat> I forget what it is called
[02:52] <sixpks> swap space is 8gb
[02:52] <Psil0Cybin> no i was using a VPN a few days ago
[02:52] <Psil0Cybin> but it was still working perfectly fine after then
[02:52] <Dragin> still working on it belkisa
[02:52] <Dragin> thanks though
[02:52] <usr13> sixpks: cat /etc/issue  #What does that say?
[02:52] <bwayne> wylde_: my #ubuntu log in irclogs is 1.1M only after a couple of days.
[02:52] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[02:52] <Dragin> belkinsa too.... damned typos =(
[02:52] <phix> cheshircat: ok so it is nautilus that is extending the monitor by default when it is plugged in?  or the NVIDIA drivers?
[02:52] <wylde_> bwayne: this channel gets extremely busy sometimes :)
[02:52] <rscnt> join to #archlinux-newbie now!
[02:53] <cheshircat> nvidia shouldn't have anything to do with it
[02:53] <phix> cheshircat: basically I need to use the nvidia-settings application to reverse the screens around, but I would like to set it to the current position by default
[02:53] <sixpks> 12.04lts
[02:53] <OerHeks> rscnt, you forgot the /
[02:53] <bwayne> wylde_: going to have to check if irssi has an option to trim the logs.
[02:53] <Psil0Cybin> wylde_: if the wireless controller was dying would it be working, here and there but still state its connected
[02:53] <Psil0Cybin> just not be able to actually use it?
[02:53] <rscnt> ah no
[02:53] <rscnt> im saying you to join!
[02:53] <cheshircat> when I did multiple displays, I nevery had to worry about drivers
[02:54] <phix> cheshircat: well something has to tell natualis that another monitor was plugged in
[02:54] <usr13> sixpks: So you have Ubuntu 12.04 server edition installed?
[02:54] <sixpks> yes
[02:54] <usr13> sixpks: How much RAM do you have?
[02:54] <OldTexas> bwayne, any recommendations on a good terminal package?
[02:55] <bwayne> OldTexas: terminal package? not sure if i follow what you mean.
[02:55] <usr13> OldTexas: What do you mean by terminal package?
[02:55] <wylde_> Psil0Cybin: possibly.
[02:55] <sixpks> 4
[02:55] <sixpks> 4gn
[02:55] <OldTexas> Terminal program, seems to be a ton out there and thought I'd get soemthing to master.
[02:56] <bwayne> OldTexas: do you mean which shell to use, as in bash vs csh vs ksh, etc?
[02:56] <miceiken> Hi. So I just ran a apt-get install on pptpd and set it up according to whatever guides I could find. I'm not able to connect from my computer (not on the local network), when I check syslog it says: pppd[8094]: Couldn't open the /dev/ppp device: No such file or directory - is this related?
[02:56] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: Did you try rebooting the Ubuntu PC.  (Could be that the routing tables have somehow become corrupted.) (You never know.)  One  thing I can think of is that the WiFi device may have gone haywire.  Is it very close to the wireless-router?
[02:56] <kostkon> bwayne, other terminal apps
[02:56] <OldTexas> No, like cntl-alt-T in Ubuntu has a defauth terminal, but I seen tons of options.
[02:57] <OldTexas> kostkon, TY, I really weasn;t being clear.
[02:57] <Little_Shira> hey guys :)
[02:57] <Psil0Cybin> yea usr13 i tried rebooting :S how wierd is this...i even tried deleting the wifi preferences off the computer and readding them
[02:57] <sixpks> exit
[02:57] <usr13> sixpks: apt-cache policy mongodb  |pastebinit
[02:58] <Psil0Cybin> and it connected to the network fine, the internet worked i went to google and to yahoo
[02:58] <Psil0Cybin> then the sites stopped working :S
[02:58] <Psil0Cybin> like i could tell i am not recieving packets
[02:58] <Psil0Cybin> but before i was because the graph on my top panel showed a spike
[02:58] <Psil0Cybin> in packets
[02:58] <bwayne> OldTexas: gnome's terminal (what you get with cntrl-alt-t) is a great terminal. tilda is a good "drop-down" menu for giving a quick command or two.
[02:58] <belkinsa> !enter
[02:58] <usr13> OldTexas: What are you looking for?  (Larger screen?  Different fonts?  .... ???)
[02:59] <kostkon> OldTexas, check out guake https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/guake/
[02:59] <usr13> OldTexas: What options?
[02:59] <OldTexas> usr13,  no, just a standard most people are using.
[02:59] <usr13> OldTexas: Do you ever use console mode?
[02:59] <usr13> OldTexas: Or is that an option?
[02:59] <willows1> OldTexas: I like the default. LXTerminal is kinda nice too
[02:59] <usr13> OldTexas: (tty6)?
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> usr13: right now again its working but in 3 minutes
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> it wont again
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> im so confused
[03:00] <usr13> OldTexas: Or do you really need / want a GUI terminal?
[03:00] <Psil0Cybin> how i can diagnose this lmao
[03:00] <OldTexas> <[03:01] <zykotick9> urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode) works well for me, but i don't know how beginner friendly it would be...
[03:01] <OldTexas> usr13,  a GUI terminal may be interesting.
[03:01] <usr13> OldTexas: Try a console:  Ctrl-Alt-F6  #Login, try it out, Alt-RightArrow to come back to GUI.
[03:01] <phix> ok
[03:01] <phix> any other ideas?
[03:01] <phix> Where is the default settings kept?
[03:01] <bwayne> OldTexas: I've used a few terminals. Believe me. The default is a great one. Ubuntu chose a nice, user-friendly terminal. I see what zykotick9 recommended (rxvt) used often, but be prepared to configure.
[03:01] <Little_Shira> can anyone help me out with a little porblem, please? I can not change the brightness on my asus X55A :/
[03:02] <usr13> OldTexas: (Alt-RightArrow or  Ctrl-Alt-F7  to come back to your X-Session.)
[03:02] <phix> Little_Shira: What's that? a laptop or a monitor?
[03:02] <Little_Shira> a laptop
[03:02] <zykotick9> usr13: technically it's just alt+f7 ;)  the ctrl is only required when in xorg
[03:03] <phix> fn+F5 or F6 doesn't work? (I am assuming F5 anf F6 control the brigtness, it does on my SUS :))
[03:03] <phix> ASUS*
[03:03] <Little_Shira> it wont work with the linux os
[03:03] <usr13> zykotick9: Really?
[03:03] <phix> Little_Shira: works on mine :)
[03:04] <phix> Little_Shira: The only thing that doesn't work on mine if the keyboard backlight brightness, it is either on or off
[03:04] <phix> s/if/is/
[03:04] <Little_Shira> under windows it works fine... i have tried setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=FF
[03:04] <usr13> zykotick9: What are *you* using?
[03:04] <Little_Shira> but it wont change
[03:04] <zykotick9> usr13: yes.  alt+F1-F? when in linux console.  what am i using for what?
[03:04] <phix> Little_Shira: What does google say anbut it?
[03:05] <phix> about*
[03:05] <usr13> zykotick9: Oh yea, Alt-F7   I see.  Thanks
[03:05] <belkinsa> !google
[03:05] <Little_Shira> i can edit grub, use xbrightness but nothing helped ._.
[03:06] <phix> belkinsa: oh, I didn't know
[03:06] <usr13> zykotick9: So when in tty6-tty7 you can advance up or down with Alt-Right-or-Left arrow, or choose with Alt-F#  (I stand corrected.)
[03:06] <usr13> zykotick9: So when in tty1-tty6 you can advance up or down with Alt-Right-or-Left arrow, or choose with Alt-F#  (I stand corrected.)
[03:06] <Little_Shira> but, is here anyone who can speak german? that would be much easier for me to understand ._. *laughin*
[03:06] <rscnt> join to #archlinux-newbie
[03:06] <phix> belkinsa: although I wasn't telling him to use it, I just asked what it said, I was under the impression he would of attempted to research the problem first before asking in this channel
[03:06] <usr13> (*correction*)   ^^^^
[03:07] <bazhang> rscnt, stop that
[03:07] <rscnt> why?
[03:07] <kostkon> Little_Shira, is your monitor an oled one? because there is this
[03:07] <kostkon> !info asus-oled-dkms
[03:07] <bazhang> #ubuntu-de Little_Shira
[03:07] <zykotick9> usr13: you got it.  but my consoles "go to 11" (12 for x) ;)
[03:07] <phix> rscnt: advertising other IRC channels in irc channels is frown apon
[03:07] <phix> rscnt: unless it is an affiliated channel
[03:07] <Little_Shira> kostkon: it is a laptop... the x55a is an ASUS notebook
[03:07] <phix> rscnt: That is IRC 101 :)
[03:07] <rscnt> frown apon?
[03:08] <bazhang> !ot | rscnt
[03:08] <kostkon> Little_Shira, yeah, i just asked about the type of display the laptop has
[03:08] <bwayne> don't ustle rscnt's jimmies.
[03:08] <phix> rscnt: yes, as in, discouraged
[03:08] <rscnt> im banned from #ubuntu-offtopic :(
[03:08] <bwayne> cuz he ain't even mad
[03:08] <bazhang> lets move on please
[03:09] <kostkon> Little_Shira, or maybe that oled display is just a little thingie on the laptop chasis ok
[03:09] <phix> Yeah that happened to me once, apparantly you can be offtopic in #ubuntu-offtopic too :)   yes lets move on, I still want to know what file controls default monitor placements
[03:09] <Little_Shira> kostkon: it is with led backlight, a standard-model
[03:09] <kostkon> Little_Shira, ok
[03:09] <usr13> zykotick9: Well, my system is default, (only tty1-tty7)
[03:09] <phix> bazhang: Do you know which file controls default monitor placements?
[03:09] <zykotick9> usr13: ya, that's "normal" ;)
[03:09] <usr13> zykotick9: So you are not  "normal"  ;)
[03:10] <zykotick9> usr13: i doubt many others like console enough to bother to change the default... so probably not ;)
[03:11] <usr13> F1-F7 is enough for me.
[03:11] <belkinsa> !enter phix
[03:11] <Psil0Cybin> usr13: like again i tried to download a 500mb file on that laptop and it was working til 100mbs and then stopped
[03:11] <Psil0Cybin> and now isnt recieving anymore packets
[03:11] <belkinsa> phix: !enter
[03:11] <belkinsa> !enter
[03:11] <Little_Shira> kostkon: i rebooted my laptop right now, now it is on max brightness and i am unable to dim it ô.ô
[03:11] <kostkon> Little_Shira, i understand your pain :/
[03:12] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: Strange
[03:12] <Little_Shira> my laptop is hateing me QwQ
[03:13] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[03:13] <phix> belkinsa: Yes, my bad :)  I will attempt to stop myself from doing something that is just natural for me.  There we go, I am learning :)  So do you know anything about default monitor placements in ubuntu?
[03:13] <Little_Shira> but i have the same problems on debian, arch, fedora, suse...
[03:13] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: Or just cat it
[03:13] <Psil0Cybin> says
[03:13] <usr13>                    me
[03:14] <Psil0Cybin> networkmanager[879]: <info> activation (wlan0) stage 4 cf 5 (IPv6 Configure timeout) complete
[03:14] <Psil0Cybin> above that
[03:14] <bwayne> i laugh with every new entry in my fail2ban log.  /evil laugh
[03:14] <Psil0Cybin> IP6 addconf timed out or failed
[03:14] <Psil0Cybin> and then the stage 4 error is showed twice
[03:14] <usr13> !paste
[03:15] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: So, why is it trying to use IPv6?
[03:15] <Psil0Cybin> i have no idea
[03:16] <Psil0Cybin> under IPv6 Settings
[03:16] <Psil0Cybin> on my wifi settings
[03:16] <Psil0Cybin> the moethod is on automatic
[03:16] <Psil0Cybin> but it is also like that on my other laptop with xubuntu that is working fine which i am using now
[03:16] <Psil0Cybin> because if i tried to use my other laptop id disconnect every couple of seconds
[03:16] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: I don't know, but looks like a good clue there.  Google it and see.
[03:17] <usr13> Psil0Cybin: And do not use Enter for puncuation. Okay?
[03:17] <usr13> (Use complete sentences.)
[03:19] <Psil0Cybin> sorry. I am trigger happy. Yes i am going to try and google it thanks @ least for pointing me in the right direction.
[03:20] <crocket> "export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0" kills global menu in most applications.
[03:20] <crocket> But nautilus ignores UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 and just shows its menu in the global menu.
[03:20] <crocket> How can I supress nautilus global menu?
[03:22] <alastor__> what will the next LTS version be?
[03:22] <Ari-Yang> alastor__, 14.04...
[03:22] <Ari-Yang> !14.04
[03:22] <Ari-Yang> !LTS
[03:23] <Ari-Yang> alastor__, I think it's going to be released in April next year...
[03:23] <alastor__> Ari-Yang: i see. thanks
[03:23] <Ari-Yang> *nod*
[03:25] <backbox> x
[03:25]  * bwayne won't be upgrading until 2014. :0
[03:26] <usr13> Ari-Yang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[03:27] <Ari-Yang> usr13, thanks, but I have no need for that link... alastor__ you might be interested in it though
[03:30] <phix> hmmmm, ok so any way, I plug a HDMI cable into my laptop, the second monitor comes up in extend mode but I have to move my mouse to the right of the laptop screen to get to it instead of the left hand side, how do I change the placement by default?  so when I plug it in again I can move my mouse to the left to get to the monitor instead of the right?
[03:35] <HoChile> not much going on here...
[03:35] <Ari-Yang> HoChile, for offtopic you could join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:36] <Onixs> chill on that
[03:37]  * bwayne say goodnight
[03:38] <phix> lol, why am I still banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?  I thought that was cleared up months ago, actually more liek a year ago now
[03:40] <bazhang> phix, #ubuntu-ops not here
[03:41] <phix> bazhang: sorry
[03:41] <Ari-Yang> [23:36:38] <Onixs> chill on that --> was that directed to me?
[03:41] <Ari-Yang> if it is, I don't get it :|
[03:44] <Mace268> is there a way to check my base installation? I removed a package and removed what was it said no longer needed. I'm pretty sure it broke things because I had to reinstall unity and python outside of the gui to get this far and have no terminal, update manager, and i'm sure others are missing.
[03:45] <dr_willis> install the ubuntu-desktop package Mace268  that should pull in all the default stuff
[03:46] <Mace268> ok thanks dr_willis i'll try that now
[03:47] <mernilio> Hi all! I had my first intvervention today. Mum and dad t hought i drink to much...
[03:47] <mernilio> I did not worry to much tho! :-)
[03:47] <Mace268> dr_willis, should i remove what i manually installed and let ubuntu-desktop pull them instead?
[03:48] <dr_willis> I dont know what you installed
[03:48] <Mace268> unity and python
[03:48] <dr_willis> unity is installed by default as is python
[03:48] <mernilio> it worrows me with ppl here calling themself for doctors. :-/
[03:49] <mernilio> Like John Wayne Gacy.. killer clown...
[03:49] <Tex_Nick> !offtopic | mernilio
[03:49] <Mace268> i thought that but does it matter how the deps are pulled in?
[03:50] <mernilio> oki.. i just wanted to alert everybody here not to trust a "doctor" on the internet!
[03:50] <Mace268> dr_willis is trustworthy here mernilio
[03:51] <phix> ok so I take it no one knows the answer to my question or wants to assist me?  Or should i come back at another time?
[03:51] <dr_willis> dont feed the trolls Mace268    :)
[03:51] <Tex_Nick> if you're refering to dr_willis ... he's one of the finest people on this channel!!!
[03:52] <Mace268> xD ok
[03:52] <phix> Tex_Nick: That's debatable :)
[03:52] <mernilio> Mace268: i have seen lots of horrormovis with dr_willis and his cave...
[03:52] <dr_willis> phix:  with?
[03:52] <phix> dr_willis: The question I have been asking for the last hour
[03:53] <dr_willis> and ive been here 5 min
[03:53] <phix> dr_willis: refering to what file I edit to control the default placement of monitors when I plug one in via HDMI
[03:54] <phix> dr_willis: I have tried adding a config entry into xorg configuration file however it then expects the monitor to be there at all times, I just want to setup a default so if I happen to plug a monitor into the HDMI port it will set it up to the left of my laptop monitor instead of the right
[03:54] <dr_willis> phix:  I recall one in the users home. saved by the display  settings tool.  but it might be from my nvidia settings tool also
[03:55] <phix> dr_willis: I am using nvidia-settings tool to manually set the placement.
[03:55] <dr_willis> im not on a ubuntu box to check. but I recall  setting my nvidia once and it remembering.
[03:56] <phix> ok thank you
[03:56] <dr_willis> I use a pc monitor and a hdmi tv most of the time
[03:56] <dr_mernilio> dr willis seems like a kewl guy! :-)
[03:56] <dr_willis> I plyg in the tv and it benomes a upper monitor
[03:57] <phix> Yeah, I have a 27" LCD which I plug my laptop up to sometimes, very useful especially when programming, one screen to program the other for reference material or testing output.
[03:57] <dr_mernilio> dr_willis: is it okay for me as an adult to wear a hoodie with sculls on it?
[03:58] <dr_mernilio> say yes!!
[03:58] <dr_willis> stick to hello kitty please.
[03:58] <qin> hehe. KO
[03:58] <dr_mernilio> :-)
[03:58] <phix> haha
[03:59] <phix> dr_willis: Do you mind if a private message you for a sex?
[03:59] <phix> sec*
[03:59] <phix> sorry
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> lol
[03:59] <SchrodingersScat> way offtopic
[03:59] <phix> yeah tell me about
[03:59] <phix> it
[03:59] <dr_willis> heh.. sure
[03:59] <Morph4me> Wouldn't xrandr do --output --left of --right ...then save to script /etc/X11 ?
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> phix, your Freudian slip is showing. ;)
[04:01] <dr_willis> xrandr used to not work with the nvidia drivers.  it may work these days
[04:01] <cjwelborn> kde-desktop asks me when I plug the hdmi in, and then remembers it if I want. If i could only get the sound to automatically switch too.
[04:01] <Morph4me> ok dr_willis
[04:01] <phix> wilee-nilee: you don't know half of it
[04:03] <qin> cjwelborn: probably with alsa-control you can.
[04:04] <cjwelborn> k, i need to look into that. streaming videos with my hdmi plugged into a 37" tv is awesome. I just hate setting it up every time.
[04:04] <Mace268> thanks dr_willis that got me p and running again, seems lftp-gtk is a bad package to try and install. It caused all this and caused autoremove to delete a lot of core packages
[04:06] <qin> !info lftp-gtk
[04:09] <Mace268> still finding more and more needing a reinstall
[04:09] <dr_willis> more what
[04:10] <Mace268> packages that were removed, just had to reinstall flash
[04:11]  * xangua hates flash
[04:11] <ocooel> Anyone have a hack for Gwibber that allows adding Google+?
[04:13] <xangua> ocooel: isn't now called friends¿ in 2010¿ it supported the microbloging thing of google back in 2010
[04:15] <ocooel> xangua: I can't find a client called friends..?
[04:21] <kichigai> Hey all, I'm trying to dual-boot Windows 8 and Ubuntu, but Windows 8 has created an NTFS EFI partition. This guide isn't exactly the clearest on how to fix that issue (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI). Does anyone have anything to help me out?
[04:21] <Dragin> what would be the command to print a file from the CL?\
[04:22] <kichigai> It's a hand-built machine, so there's none of that SecureBoot !#%! in the way.
[04:23] <GeorgeTorwell> does anyone know why bazhang was appointed to op this channel?
[04:23] <GeorgeTorwell> pm me
[04:23] <dr_willis> Dragin:   "lpr" perhaps
[04:23] <Valentina-123> hi guyz, my ubuntu movie player doesn't play vcd and dvd videos .... how can I fix it ?? Somebody plz help me !!
[04:24] <dr_willis> ! dvd
[04:24] <Valentina-123> But how can I fix it ????
[04:24] <kichigai> Valentina-123, read the page, it'll say what to do there.
[04:24] <kichigai> I think.
[04:25] <Valentina-123> let me try..
[04:25] <parallels> hello all
[04:25] <Valentina-123> hi
[04:27] <wylde> Dragin: I  suppose you could try 'lpr -P YourPrinter /tmp/someFileName'
[04:27] <Dragin> thanks dr_willis. Sorry it took me so lomg. I missed your answer =)
[04:27] <Dragin> thanks wylde
[04:28] <dr_willis> the cups  docs may tell other ways Dragin
[04:28] <SinCos> anyone tried eve online with latest wine in ubuntu? any luck?
[04:29] <bazhang> !appdb | SinCos
[04:29] <GeorgeTorwell> is bazhang still opped in here?
[04:29] <kichigai> He is now.
[04:29] <bazhang> SinCos, check the appdb, then join #winehq
[04:29] <kichigai> Or was.
[04:30] <dr_willis> signs say yes..
[04:30] <wylde> lol
[04:30] <kichigai> Shall I just assume no one knows jack squat about EFI?
[04:30] <dr_willis> ! efi
[04:31] <bazhang> kichigai, that ? ^
[04:31] <kichigai> Yes, I read that. It wasn't clear about dual-booting, hence why I'm here. I mentioned that when I /joined
[04:31] <dr_willis> all I know about it is above
[04:32] <cjwelborn> kichigai: my setup was kind of a headache, i ended up having to use boot-repair to fix both Ubuntu and Win8 because of UEFI.
[04:34] <kichigai> cjwelborn, any info on that? Just nuke the EFI, install Debian, boot-fix Windows 8, then boot-fix Debian?
[04:34] <kichigai> Err, Ubuntu, sorry.
[04:34] <kichigai> I got used to the Debian machines at work.
[04:36] <cjwelborn> kichigai: i'm no expert, but I knew both OSs were installed. They just weren't booting properly. I loaded a LiveCD and backed up my EFI Files, MBR, (anything related to booting) with boot-repair. I then ran the actual 'repair' and everything worked. I had weird extra boot options on my grub menu, but it worked and I later 'fixed' those.
[04:37] <Dragin> where exactly is the shown --help file so I can print that file please?
[04:37] <kichigai> "actual repair"?
[04:38] <kavelot> hello! I'm considering installing ubuntu 13.04 (desktop), but I it's not LTS, so i'm wondering if updating to 13.10 or 14.04 is simple... do I have to reinstall everything? do I endup with a lot of garbage?
[04:38] <cjwelborn> kichigai: that tool, warns you to back everything up before it does it's "magic". Look up boot-repair, I'm sure there's more info on it.
[04:39] <kichigai> Because my plan right now is to nuke the EFI partition, install Linux, and then, if necessary, use my Windows 8 DVDs to fix the EFI, then re-install Linux if I needed to. But that makes a lot more sense.
[04:40] <qin> kavelot: yeah, release upgrades can deliver some thrills, yet with back ups it's all good ;)
[04:41] <cjwelborn> kichigai: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair (after doing a normal dual-boot install, creating separate partitions, noting name of efi partition, and all that beforehand)
[04:41] <qin> kavelot: and 13.10 is almost here...
[04:43] <kavelot> yes, my main fear now is to install 13.04 now, upgrade to 13.10 in 1 month and end up with a lot of garbage
[04:43] <hays> garbage?
[04:43] <kavelot> supposedly installing 13.04 and updating to 13.10 would leave my system as clean as if I had installed 13.10?
[04:43] <kavelot> old libs, packages...
[04:43] <dr_willis> you worry too much
[04:43] <hays> pretty sure apt takes care of that
[04:43] <kavelot> after using windows for so long yes, I do :)
[04:43] <kavelot> I know how it gets in a couple years
[04:43] <dr_willis> it wont be old stuff
[04:44] <hays> i just upgraded my laptop from 12 to 13
[04:44] <hays> got some error messages, but they seem to have self-resolved
[04:45] <hays> things about kernel modules, but upon checking the kernel modules are loaded and working
[04:45] <hays> so I've nothing but good things to say about the upgrade process.
[04:45] <hays> Unity is nice, although the lack of a start menu grates on me a little
[04:45] <qin> hays: or you got used to error messages and seg faults ;)
[04:46] <kavelot> I don't really get linux distro versions... why ubuntu doesn't just update the packages and it would be a normal packages update?
[04:46] <kichigai> I've never had a problem upgrading any Linux distro ever. It's easier to deal with than full version upgrades of OS X or Windows, trust me.
[04:46] <kichigai> kavelot, well, that's basically what it is. I think they use version numbers primarily for support tracking reasons.
[04:46] <hays> kavelot: usually kernels change
[04:47] <computergeek1234> hi  need some help /information .
[04:47] <kavelot> hays: kernel is also a package, isn't it?
[04:47] <dr_willis> ubuntu is not a rolling release either
[04:47] <hays> and then packages with big dependency changes
[04:47] <dr_willis> ! latest
[04:47] <qin> kavelot: it is easer to track developement process, even rolling distros number themself.
[04:48] <hays> yeah dr_willis makes a good point that it is also about the support effort involved in keeping a snapshot/release stable with bug fixes and security patches
[04:48] <kavelot> got it, i guess it might be related to QA also
[04:48] <kavelot> ok, I think I got it :) thanks
[04:48] <computergeek1234> can anyone suggest a linux alternative to gotomeeting or netmeeting in windows.
[04:48] <hays> google chat?
[04:48] <qin> ekiga?
[04:49] <kichigai> Can Ekiga do video comms?
[04:49] <computergeek1234> need one for business purposes with multiple users worldwide.
[04:50] <dr_willis> so you need one that also works with windoes?
[04:50] <kichigai> This might be worth testing: https://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
[04:50] <computergeek1234> yes
[04:50] <qin> kichigai: according to wiki it can
[04:50] <hays> there are advantages/disadvantages to the constant release system
[04:50] <hays> but i think the 3-9 month rolling cycle is a pretty good compromise
[04:50] <dr_willis> 'manpower' is always a limiting factor in any  distro. ;)
[04:51] <dr_willis> release.. then wait... then Bam,, release.. then wait. l)
[04:51] <kichigai> hays, No doubt. There are advantages and disadvantages to everything.
[04:51] <dr_willis> at least people who want to can stick to the LTS.
[04:52] <hays> on a conventional desktop ive found you can go pretty agressive and be ok
[04:52] <hays> laptops start to get dicey and servers it starts to get very dicey
[04:52] <computergeek1234> must have video similar  to skype and have whiteboard access.
[04:52] <dr_willis> but if you have 'just came out last week' laptops.. often lts falls down badly
[04:53] <hays> heh
[04:53] <hays> well new laptops sometimes being on the bleeding edge (kernel) is a good thing
[04:53] <kichigai> computergeek1234, How important are these meetings? I mean, how critical is it that they're flawless? Because if major money is involved, you may just be best off hanging in with GoToMeeting.
[04:54] <kichigai> Or do you have Linux machines that need to participate?
[04:54] <computergeek1234> kich mostly presentation to clients cross country. etc.
[04:54] <b0dhi> Does logmein has support for linux?
[04:55] <computergeek1234> i have both linux and windows 7 /8   machines.
[04:55] <hays> but seriously guys is there a way to get a heirarchical listing of installed programs e.g. a start menu
[04:56] <dr_willis> hays:   the various docks can have differnt launcher buttons
[04:56] <kichigai> computergeek1234, do they need to participate, or are you just showing stuff?
[04:56] <dr_willis> hays:  and theres classic-gnome style menu addons and indicator applets
[04:56] <computergeek1234> participate
[04:57] <qin> b0dhi: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/3-logmein-alternatives-ubuntu/ or just use ssh
[04:57] <computergeek1234> basically online interactive conferences with powerpoint etc.
[04:57] <Dragin> where exactly can I find the PRINTABLE version of the chown --help file please?
[04:58] <kichigai> computergeek1234, have you considered Cisco WebEx?
[04:58] <computergeek1234> no
[04:58] <qin> Dragin: copy/paset man chown or: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?chown
[04:59] <d1g1talph3r3t> Hello everyone!
[04:59] <computergeek1234> any good ?  cost?
[04:59] <Dragin> thanks qin
[04:59] <kichigai> computergeek1234, not sure, just an alternative to GTM I've found so far.
[05:00] <computergeek1234> ok kich will check it out.  thanks.
[05:00] <dr_willis> Dragin:  theres ways to format man pages for printing also
[05:00] <kichigai> computergeek1234, also check out Mikogo
[05:00] <computergeek1234> ok
[05:00] <Dragin> be nice if it was formatted for printing before it went live ;)
[05:01] <zexcriz> with the help of mail server setup on my machine, i can send and recieve emails from my yahoo,gmail or any other service provider ?
[05:01] <Dragin> http://www.kernel.org/doc/man\-pages/ bad url
[05:02] <computergeek1234> is mikogo a linux package or windows based?
[05:02] <dr_willis> Dragin:  a big feature of 'man' is it can gegerate printable output
[05:02] <b0dhi> qin..thanks but it seems it is not released yet..
[05:02] <dr_willis> !find man2html
[05:02] <dr_willis> !info man2html
[05:02] <qin> Dragin: man col | col -b > man_of_col
[05:03] <qin> Dragin: hope you not trying to publish nix man pages ;)
[05:03] <dr_willis> qin:  i recall    troff --man  somthing  > page.ps
[05:04] <dr_willis> old skool word processing with trofg
[05:04] <dr_willis> troff
[05:04] <Dragin> no.... Just easier for me to understand if I am reading it printed out like a book for some reason if that makes any sense. I am able to comprehend it a little better
[05:04] <kichigai> troff? Back in my day we used a magnetized needle and flipped the bits ourselves!
[05:05] <dr_willis> you had magnets? ... luxery!
[05:06] <qin> dr_willis: i used it maybe once, neat thinky with man, tho
[05:06] <dr_willis> i actually used troff/nroff then TeX for reports in school.
[05:07] <_> hello
[05:07] <_> where would the paging files in ubuntu be?
[05:07] <dr_willis> !swap
[05:07] <Psil0Cybin> does anyone else know what i can do. I have a wifi connection that says is connected but i can browse the net for only 5 minutes at a time, every 5 minutes it stopps being able to recieve connections like i cannot browse sites but suddenly i am able too again, I tried power cycling the modem/router but the connection is fine on every other computer but mine...This started when I tried to install samba
[05:07] <zexcriz> with the help of mail server setup on my machine, i can send and recieve emails from my yahoo,gmail or any other service provider ?
[05:07] <wilee-nilee> _, there are none
[05:07] <SwedeMike> Guest39452: it's usually a swap partition, not a paging file.
[05:09] <kichigai> SwedeMike, aren't they *essentially* the same, in the most basic way, though?
[05:11] <cjwelborn> Psil0Cybin: what app is handling your network connections? I've heard of some of them going crazy (crashing and restarting a lot)
[05:12] <Psil0Cybin> i have no idea cjwelborn how do i find out..it was working perfectly before i started playing with samba yesterday
[05:12] <Psil0Cybin> now today i have these problems
[05:12] <dr_willis> Psil0Cybin: test with a live cd. see if that has the same issue
[05:12] <Psil0Cybin> it woudnt have the same issue, it was working perfectly fine like 23 hrs ago
[05:13] <Psil0Cybin> like i think it will work with the live cd
[05:13] <Psil0Cybin> i think its something that samba maybe did
[05:13] <dr_willis> samba shouldent be affecting that.  test with a live cd and prove it works there
[05:13] <Psil0Cybin> when i uninstalled it
[05:13] <Psil0Cybin> is there nothing i can do i just dont have a live cd handy
[05:14] <dr_willis> you might  have yninstalled other stuff as well. but i cant think of what would cause this
[05:14] <Psil0Cybin> and the computer which has the internet working does not have a cd burner
[05:14] <Psil0Cybin> god damit
[05:14] <Psil0Cybin> i dont think i did
[05:14] <Psil0Cybin> didnt think i did
[05:14] <Psil0Cybin> but even if i did
[05:14] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:14] <Psil0Cybin> it would get it to stop completely, now it works randomly like every 5 minutes i can browse a couple of sites, and then it goes offline while it says im still connected to the wifi network
[05:14] <dr_willis> use a usb? setvup grub2 to boot an iso file.. set up a netboot server..
[05:15] <dr_willis> try an older kernel also from the grub menu. if any exist
[05:18] <dhyana> I'll keep it
[05:18] <dhyana> :)
[05:18] <kostkon> Psil0Cybin, check your /var/log/dpkg.log
[05:19] <Psil0Cybin> one second kostkon im restarting the laptop im going to check in a second
[05:19] <Psil0Cybin> i even tried power cycling my modem/roauter like im so confused
[05:21] <monkwitdafunk> Thats okay if you got a good power to all working in the set up
[05:21] <cjwelborn> Psil0Cybin: about the livecd, and not having a cd burner... do you have a USB stick and a USB port? You could boot from that maybe if you have to.
[05:23] <monkwitdafunk> If my outlet is a small one you can run a 3.0ghz cores intel64 on a 80watt power supply to the computer
[05:24] <Deividanonbrsc> oi
[05:25] <monkwitdafunk> Lga775 socket is low power for single.channel ram mode
[05:25] <Deividanonbrsc> hello
[05:25] <monkwitdafunk> Hi
[05:26] <monkwitdafunk> 80 watt power supply. Thats right. You herd it
[05:26] <Deividanonbrsc> alguem do brasil?
[05:28] <reisio> #ubuntu-br
[05:29] <monkwitdafunk> Hey should viva la brasil be on the long term support for intel/amd 64bit
[05:29] <reisio> monkwitdafunk: hrmm?
[05:32] <Guest99895> hola, buenos días
[05:32] <reisio> hola
[05:34] <Guest99895> conocen alguna guia básica, quise decir muy básica, para lubuntu?
[05:35] <aeon-ltd> !es
[05:36] <Psil0Cybin> hmm so wierd
[05:36] <Psil0Cybin> still cant figure it out
[05:37] <Guest99895> hola, busco guia muy básica de uso lubuntu? Gracias
[05:40] <reisio> Guest99895: http://wiki.lxde.org/es/Especial:Todas
[05:40] <reisio> Guest99895: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/local-language#spanish
[05:41] <ElectricPrism> need to buy a new video card, want to have ubuntu in mind / mir
[05:42] <ElectricPrism> Should I get an nVidia 6/7 series?
[05:43] <sasi> clear
[05:44] <sasi> exit
[05:44] <ElectricPrism>  /
[05:44] <qin> sasi: /
[05:51] <chenchacha> Hello，some one develop cortex-m3 in linux？
[05:51] <reisio> chenchacha: useless question :)
[05:51] <dhyana> chenchacha,  hello
[05:52] <chenchacha> 。。。。
[05:53] <chenchacha> so few people
[05:55] <chenchacha> reisio: why the question useless??
[05:56] <kichigai> OK, I just ran the Ubuntu Installer and used the Install-Ubuntu-besides-Windows-8 option and now I'm booting just windows 8
[05:56] <reisio> chenchacha: because no answer will help you
[05:56] <chenchacha> I think there should be a lot of people do this.
[05:56] <reisio> chenchacha: to do what? Answer your poll?
[05:57] <chenchacha> dhyana:hello
[05:57] <reisio> kichigai: boot the install image again, hit 'try' instead of 'install', come back here and we can fix it
[05:58] <kichigai> reisio, Oh, there's no coming back. I won't be leaving. I'm using IRC on my laptop.
[05:58] <kichigai> reisio, MWA HA HA HA! It won't be THAT easy to get rid of me!
[05:58] <kichigai> So I'm live now.
[05:59] <kichigai> USB drives boot faster than the discs I'm used to.
[05:59] <reisio> kichigai: cheating
[06:00] <reisio> kichigai: most likely GRUB failed to properly configure itself
[06:00] <kichigai> reisio, looks like my EFI boot partition is still NTFS, and Ubuntu kept installing without telling me about that.
[06:00] <reisio> kichigai: still?
[06:01] <kichigai> reisio, Da.
[06:01] <reisio> okay, well, let us know
[06:02] <qin> how looks like partition setup after "installing besides"? It intimidates me to not know that.
[06:03] <kichigai> reisio, da is Russian for "yes"
[06:03] <reisio> kichigai: oh I know :)
[06:04] <reisio> qin: something like windows system reserved, windows, ubuntu, swap
[06:04] <reisio> qin: if it bothers you, do the manual partition option
[06:04] <kichigai> reisio, ??????? ??????? ?????
[06:05] <reisio> kichigai: do you need help fixing your efi partition?
[06:05] <kichigai> reisio, Well, I need help *building* one to be more accurate.
[06:05] <Psil0Cybin> does anyone else know what i can do. I have a wifi connection that says is connected but i can browse the net for only 5 minutes at a time, every 5 minutes it stopps being able to recieve connections like i cannot browse sites but suddenly i am able too again, I tried power cycling the modem/router but the connection is fine on every other computer but mine...This started when I tried to install samba
[06:05] <kichigai> IT's NTFS formatted, so I'm assuming I'll ned to format it and make it FAT32, then set up grub, then point that to the Windows bootloader.
[06:05] <kichigai> But I don't know much about EFI, so I can only *guess* that this is the right course of action.
[06:06] <qin> reisio: always do manual, that why I wonder, so installer do whole resizeing for itself? would it use extended partition?
[06:06] <kichigai> I *thought* the Ubuntu "install beside" option would fix that.
[06:06] <reisio> kichigai: I'm not sure how it worked for your previous OS/es if it was NTFS
[06:06] <reisio> kichigai: you sure it isn't just a Windows system reserved partition?
[06:06] <aeon-ltd> Psil0Cybin: are you running samba?
[06:06] <chsados> can anyone help me get drivers for my ATI HD 4890
[06:06] <reisio> qin: does it matter?
[06:06] <Psil0Cybin> i just tried reinstalling it to fix this problem
[06:06] <Psil0Cybin> but it didnt
[06:06] <qin> reisio: no
[06:06] <Psil0Cybin> i wasnt before
[06:06] <reisio> qin: :)
[06:06] <Psil0Cybin> i was when the problem started aegis
[06:06] <Psil0Cybin> aeon-ltd:
[06:07] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:07] <kichigai> reisio, it's a new machine. My first one with an EFI. And there is no other partition. One 367MB NTFS partition flagged bootable, one NTFS partition I installed Windows 8 on, and then EXT4 and SWAP.
[06:07] <reisio> chsados: /msg ubottu ati
[06:07] <chsados> ubottu?
[06:07] <reisio> kichigai: what makes you think it's ntfs?
[06:07] <kichigai> reisio, besides the fact parted says it's NTFS?
[06:07] <reisio> chsados: that's what it says, isn't it? :)
[06:07] <Xavier89> hi
[06:07] <kichigai> reisio, the label is "system reserved"
[06:08] <Xavier89> how to stop the service psybnc ?
[06:08] <chsados> i dont get it
[06:08] <qin> !bot
[06:08] <Psil0Cybin> aeon-ltd: do you think samba could have caused this?
[06:08] <reisio> kichigai: it doesn't sound like you're using efi at all
[06:08] <Psil0Cybin> should i try to reinstall all the apps i did when i had these problems?
[06:08] <tozen> Xavier89: sudo service psybnc stop?
[06:08] <reisio> chsados: what don't you get?
[06:08] <kichigai> reisio, I think I am. It's a new machine, less than a month old, and I just let Windows 8 do its thing.
[06:08] <kichigai> reisio, if it's legacy booting, I'm not going to start a fight, though.
[06:08] <chsados> reisio- nm i misspelled the name i got the url thx
[06:09] <reisio> kichigai: legacy is a bit strong
[06:09] <reisio> kichigai: it sounds like you aren't using efi, though
[06:09] <reisio> kichigai: does it matter to you if you aren't?
[06:09] <reisio> chsados: :)
[06:09] <Xavier89> [tozen] unrecognized service
[06:10] <kichigai> reisio, Yeah, legacy is hard to dispose of under x86. I don't see a benefit right now to using EFI, since all I care about is dual-booting, so if it's MBR I'll just roll with it.
[06:10] <tozen> Xavier89: or see the number of service you want to stop through <top> command
[06:10] <reisio> kichigai: again it's not "legacy", it's just not efi, it doesn't seem
[06:10] <sherefe> hello has anyone experience in installing and configuring openvpn server on ubuntu ?
[06:10] <chsados> is there anything like the task manager for ubuntu?
[06:10] <tozen> Xavier89: sothen could be smth like <kill number_of_service>
[06:10] <reisio> kichigai: but that would also mean the efi partition is unrelated to your booting issue
[06:10] <reisio> kichigai: so you have the live os running?
[06:11] <kichigai> reisio, you had said that "legacy is strong", that's what I was replying to.
[06:11] <reisio> chsados: yes, just regular Ubuntu?
[06:11] <kichigai> reisio, and yes, Live OS is running right now.
[06:11] <reisio> kichigai: okay, is 'pastebinit' on there?
[06:11] <chsados> im on 12.04
[06:11] <Patero-ng> question, how to make ubuntu load from a usb drive with changes enabled
[06:11] <Patero-ng> I'm playing using the 13.4 ver
[06:11] <sherefe>  guys has anyone experience in installing and configuring openvpn server on ubuntu ?
[06:11] <reisio> Patero-ng: you could install to a usb drive
[06:11] <qin> Xavier89: htop and kill
[06:12] <Patero-ng> from win7
[06:12] <kichigai> reisio, no. But I'm guessing it can be just apt-getted? apt-got? What's the proper verbal form?
[06:12] <reisio> chsados: sudo apt-get install gnome-system-monitor && dpkg -L gnome-system-monitor | grep -i bin
[06:13] <chsados> thx reisio
[06:13] <reisio> kichigai: installed? :)
[06:13] <Patero-ng> that was pro reisio
[06:13] <reisio> kichigai: yeah, should be able to be
[06:13] <reisio> kichigai: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[06:13] <reisio> Patero-ng: hrmm?
[06:13] <kichigai> reisio, implying that it's obtained other than through apt-get, but yeah, I'll do that.
[06:13] <sealbhach> Patero-ng: I find the best way is to install from a live session in a virtual machine e.g. Virtualbox. It can makes a normal install onto USB as if it were a hard drive
[06:14] <drcasper_> hi guys .. i have a question. I have an Ubuntu box running Apache (port80) and I have an application (ScreenConnect) that uses port 8040.. when people go to my website (somewbsite.com) they hit my aweb server, but at the same time, i also want my application to use port 80 so they don't have to type somewbsite.com:8040 .. how can i go about getting something like that set up ?
[06:14] <reisio> kichigai: well there actually are many other ways, but mostly 'installed' is so simple, and accurate
[06:14] <kichigai> reisio, true, true...
[06:15] <kichigai> reisio, well, verbiage aside, it's now on my Live system.
[06:15] <drcasper_> i would like to see something like .. support.anywebsite.com  goes to anywebsite.com:8040
[06:15] <Patero-ng> sealbhach so load the iso image then select the install procedure to install on a 4gb drive
[06:17] <sealbhach> Patero-ng: Yes, are you familiar with Virtual machines? You need to get the VM to see your attached USB, easy enough in Virtualbox.
[06:17] <reisio> kichigai: okay, will need to see /boot/grub/grub.cfg, /etc/fstab, the output of /sbin/blkid
[06:17] <kichigai> reisio, I trust you mean the *installed* /{etc} right?
[06:18] <Patero-ng> I'm on windows 7 that's the only os on the computer
[06:18] <qin> dr_casper: /j #httpd, or would it be easy to make subdomain and redirect?
[06:18] <reisio> kichigai: yes indeed
[06:18] <qin> drcasper: ^^^^
[06:18] <sealbhach> Look up Virtualbox. It's really easy to use.
[06:18] <kichigai> reisio, working? working?
[06:18] <monkwitdafunk> Oem! Cheers!
[06:18]  * kichigai does the Data eye-scanning thing
[06:19] <reisio> kichigai: hrmm?
[06:19] <reisio> oh :p
[06:20] <kichigai> reisio, grub.cfg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109122/
[06:21] <monkwitdafunk> If i wanted to be a Ubuntu for amd/intel 64bi..... how can i be widely recognized as one? t
[06:21] <kichigai> reisio, fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109126/
[06:21] <monkwitdafunk> Be a OEM
[06:22] <reisio> monkwitdafunk: a reseller?
[06:22] <kichigai> reisio,  blkid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109130
[06:25] <monkwitdafunk> Well i like the efforts for performace on cheap 80watt power supplies
[06:26] <monkwitdafunk> Or leas
[06:26] <monkwitdafunk> Or.less
[06:27] <aeon-ltd> monkwitdafunk: i haven't been following but 80W psu?
[06:27] <justinm001> hey
[06:27] <monkwitdafunk> Yeah
[06:27] <monkwitdafunk> You can run it safely in a good home
[06:27] <monkwitdafunk> You can leave it on
[06:28] <justinm001> can someone help me please with ubuntu 13.04.. i'm trying to set the  default route (via usb.. I've added gatway x.x.x.x in /etc/network/interface but its not working.  I set the ip in that part and that bit is working.
[06:28] <justinm001> then i cheated and add route add default gw x.x.x.x to rc.local but t doesnt work either
[06:28] <reisio> kichigai: what's /dev/sdb2 ?
[06:28] <monkwitdafunk> Nobody has herd of the 80watt PSU
[06:29] <kichigai> reisio, either my USB hard disk I'm using for storage or the USB flash drive I'm booting from
[06:29] <kichigai> reisio, what format is it?
[06:29] <justinm001> anyone at all :) ?
[06:29] <justinm001> shiny penny in it for you
[06:29] <Guest80319> hey guys
[06:29] <Xavier89> [qin]
[06:29] <justinm001> (not really)
[06:29] <Guest80319> first timer here
[06:29] <kichigai> reisio, nm, sdb2  is part of the flash drive I'm booting from
[06:30] <Guest80319> how do i change my name?
[06:30] <kichigai> reisio, don't ask me how I got hter.
[06:30] <kichigai> Guest80319, use the /nickname (new nickname) command
[06:30] <Guest80319> hhuashd
[06:30] <Guest80319> didnt work
[06:30] <kichigai> Guest80319, use /nick instead
[06:30] <Jordan_U> Guest80319: You need to select a nick that hasn't already been registered.
[06:30] <Tex_Nick> monkwitdafunk: if you're wanting to become an OEM of low power PC's ... then you probably need to lookinto the micro ITX MoBo's ... that's not a topic for this channel though ... try ##hardware ... if i understand your question
[06:30] <reisio> kichigai: and sdc?
[06:31] <kichigai> reisio, THAT is my USB HDD.
[06:31] <monkwitdafunk> Oh
[06:31] <saied> got it thanks
[06:31] <reisio> kichigai: oka
[06:31] <saied> hey guysl i want to become a white hat hacker
[06:31] <saied> whats a code channel to start
[06:31] <reisio> kichigai: I s'pose you could be using efi... did you go into windows 8 and flip that switch to let multiple OSes boot?
[06:31] <kichigai> reisio, there's a switch or that?
[06:32] <kichigai> *for that
[06:32] <reisio> saied: #whitehat ?
[06:32] <saied> its on this server?
[06:32] <Jordan_U> reisio: kichigai: You don't need to disable secure boot to boot Ubuntu.
[06:32] <reisio> kichigai: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Accessing_the_UEFI_settings_from_Windows8 ?
[06:32] <kichigai> Jordan_U, I don't have SecureBoot enabled to start with. I don't even have a TPM module!
[06:33] <kichigai> reisio, where's the multi-boot option there?
[06:33] <Jordan_U> kichigai: If the machine came with a Windows 8 sticker then it had secure boot enabled by default (which doesn't quite require a TPM, which is more for "trusted" boot). That said, it's still not particularly relevant as Ubuntu should work either way.
[06:34] <reisio> UEFI is responsible for loading stuff
[06:34] <kichigai> Jordan_U, it's a custom built machine I assembled myself. The only stickers involved with it are the ones packaged with the CPU that I left alone.
[06:36] <xem25> Hi
[06:36] <reisio> kichigai: what physical media did you install from?
[06:36] <reisio> xem25: hiyo
[06:36] <kichigai> reisio, DVDs ordered from Microsoft. I originally purchased them to dual-boot my MacBook Pro, but since I built a dedicated machine...
[06:36] <hanasaki> have a br0 setup so resulting in eth0 not getting an IP.... all runs fine... except pidgin is not logging into any accounts... I have to go to "accounts" and check/uncheck the account active on them all to get them to log in.  why is this and how do I get them to login when pidgin starts up?
[06:37] <justinm001> anyone have any ideas howto set default gw ?
[06:37] <hanasaki> justinm001:  google about route
[06:37] <reisio> kichigai: sorry I meant Ubuntu
[06:37] <reisio> although I wonder about Windows, too
[06:38] <kichigai> reisio, A USB NAND drive.
[06:38] <reisio> kichigai: is your DVD drive scsi?
[06:38] <kichigai> reisio, No, USB. But it's not currently connected.
[06:38] <hanasaki> how do I tell what speed my ethernet is running at?
[06:39] <reisio> oh :)
[06:39] <reisio> kichigai: I think you might be in some efi twilight zone, and might require someone who knows more about efi than most people :/
[06:40] <kichigai> reisio, Yeah, that's what I was a'fear'd of.
[06:40] <qin> hanasaki: speedof.me
[06:40] <reisio> but I s'pose you could try re-installing GRUB
[06:40] <reisio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[06:40] <kichigai> reisio, I thought you couldn't MBR grub on a GPT volume?
[06:40] <reisio> if that doesn't work you can try grub-install manually
[06:40] <qin> hanasaki: sorry, thats rather for broadband
[06:40] <reisio> kichigai: well how is it you mean to boot Ubuntu?
[06:41] <justinm001> hanasaki i have, ive wird tho.. its works if i add route manually
[06:41] <Patero-ng> I have a question I want to burn ubuntu into a usb drive using unetbootin but I want to know the recommended size of space to preserve files across reboots
[06:41] <kichigai> reisio, I was expecting EFI, but I'll take it anyway it'll start.
[06:41] <justinm001> or if i add to rc.local.. and i no rc.local is deff working, just the cmd doesnt work when it runs, then :(
[06:41] <gefangshuai> hello everone
[06:41] <monkwitdafunk> Distance and power maybe for ethernet speed? Cat5 ethernet is by far the pioneering as a construction trade
[06:41] <zhoutao> hello
[06:41] <reisio> kichigai: try boot repair, maybe it'll just work :p
[06:41] <reisio> zhoutao: hi
[06:41] <kichigai> reisio, will do.
[06:42] <monkwitdafunk> Its feasible to build bundles of wire
[06:42] <justinm001> and bloody /etc/resolv.conf keeps changing
[06:42] <justinm001> and im not using / running dhcp
[06:42] <Jordan_U> kichigai: What problem are you having? Did you install 64 bit Ubuntu? What image did you use?
[06:42] <kichigai> Jordan_U, yes, 64-bit, 13.04 I beieve.
[06:43] <Jordan_U> kichigai: And what problem are you having?
[06:43] <kichigai> Jordan_U, it's complicated.
[06:44] <kichigai> Jordan_U, reisio seems to have a reasonable grasp on my problems thus far, unless you know some dark majick about EFI
[06:44] <Jordan_U> kichigai: I can likely help you, but I'm going to sleep in about 5 minutes. Can you try to summarize?
[06:45] <kichigai> reisio, is boot-repair available as an APT package?
[06:45] <kichigai> Jordan_U, I doubt you can fix it in 5 minutes, but my problem is my EFI partition is NTFS thanks to Windows 8, and I need to resolve how to dual-boot.
[06:46] <Jordan_U> kichigai: Your EFI System Partition is not NTFS. If it were then Windows 8 wouldn't be booting either.
[06:46] <salamandre43025> Y'all are probably sick of hearing this, but just installed nvidia_319_updates after configuring my xorg.conf with Nvidia-settings. 1st reboot: got "Starting load fallback graphics devices" [fail]
[06:46] <kichigai> Jordan_U, No. It *IS* NTFS. Windows 8 formatted it so. Trust me, I've read the parted outputs several times.
[06:47] <Jordan_U> kichigai: UEFI can only read FAT, if you don't have a FAT EFI System Partition then your computer won't boot.
[06:47] <hanasaki> qin:  I mean from the linux level.. not the speed test.. but the nic config
[06:48] <Jordan_U> kichigai: If any OS is booting via UEFI, then you have a FAT EFI System Partition. It is possible that you are booting via CSM (BIOS) rather than UEFI thouhg.
[06:48] <Strit> Jordan_U, kichigai You sure you are talking about the same partition? Windows 8 creates a seperate "system" partition and then the partition where windows is.
[06:48] <kichigai> Strit, I don't see any other partition that could be it.
[06:48] <Jordan_U> kichigai: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l" and "sudo blkid".
[06:49] <salamandre43025> Can ne1 help with a Nvidia_319 problem? Really don't wanna spam
[06:49] <kichigai> Jordan_U, blkid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109130
[06:50] <Strit> salamandre43025, I have the same problem, so I do not dare to update my drivers. :P
[06:51] <kichigai> Jordan_U, parted -l: http//paste.ubuntu.com/6109203/
[06:52] <pccfatman> So, I am a windows user that has just migrated to Ubuntu, everything seems to be going well with the exception of Ubuntu constantly notifying me every 10 minutes that my wireless mouse battery is at 1% I have tested the battery and also changed it with no love. Removed gnome-power-manager as I thought this was the culprit, no joy. Any suggestions?
[06:53] <salamandre43025> Strit, lol so I'm stuck with 304 and a 59.75 Hz refresh (which my monitor hates?
[06:53] <hanasaki> ethtool shows speed of 100Mb/s however I know the nic is 1000 and the hub is 1000 also.... why would ethtool show 100?
[06:53] <reisio> pccfatman: I hope you put it back, if it didn't make a difference :)
[06:53] <Jordan_U> kichigai: Since the drive containing Windows is using an msdos partition table you almost certainly aren't booting Windows via UEFI, but rather through your firmware's BIOS implementation (CSM). So it's not that your EFI System Partition is NTFS, it's that you don't have any EFI System Partition.
[06:53] <pccfatman> yep tried that too :)
[06:53] <Strit> kichigai, if UEFI can't boot on ntfs partitions, then that's your problem. Now why Win8 would change that to ntfs on it's own is out of my power to say. :)
[06:54] <omkar> hi
[06:54] <omkar> does anyone know the name of the app which appears afterone installs kde
[06:54] <kichigai> Jordan_U, the drive containing Windows is NTFS. It's all on the same drive. The FAT32 (MSDOS) partition is on my flash drive, which is where I boot Ubuntu from.
[06:54] <reisio> pccfatman: logitech?
[06:54] <omkar> i mean the one onthe desktop
[06:54] <Strit> salamandre43025, yeah. Same as me. Until Ubuntu repo's update their versions.
[06:54] <reisio> omkar: ?
[06:54] <pccfatman> yest is is as a matter of fact
[06:54] <omkar> the pane on which we can keep multiple things
[06:54] <omkar> and access
[06:54] <Jordan_U> kichigai: Re-read what I said. You're not booting via UEFI at all.
[06:55] <reisio> does his grub.cfg think he is, though?
[06:55] <omkar> i mistakenly removed it and want that app on desktop
[06:55] <salamandre43025> Strit, nuts I guess I'll just have to RSS the dev forum post. Cheers
[06:55] <Jordan_U> reisio: A default grub.cfg will be the same for both BIOS and UEFI.
[06:55] <kichigai> Then why didn't the Ubuntu installer configure MBR correctly, Jordan_U?
[06:56] <reisio> ew
[06:56] <Strit> omkar, What panel do you mean? If you mean unity then you can't have both KDE and Unity running at the same time.
[06:56] <shri> can someone tell me how to install  cndrvcups-capt these drivers
[06:56] <omkar> no not unity
[06:56] <Jordan_U> kichigai: Please run boot info script: http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ and pastebin the RESULTS.txt it produces.
[06:56] <omkar> in kde4 when the machine comes up right there is a panel on the desktop
[06:56] <Jordan_U> kichigai: What happens when you try to boot?
[06:56] <reisio> pccfatman: maybe look at a package named 'solaar'
[06:56] <omkar> in which u can keep application which u access many times
[06:57] <Strit> omkar, Ah, like windows has?
[06:57] <pccfatman> reisio: ok will do thanks
[06:57] <kichigai> Jordan_U, I end up in Windows 8
[06:57] <omkar> nope
[06:57] <reisio> pccfatman: ah, hrmmm
[06:57] <reisio> pccfatman: is it an mx1000?
[06:57] <omkar> https://www.google.co.in/search?q=kde4+plasmadesktop+applet&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.52164340,d.bmk,pv.xjs.s.en_US.CQsooEYev9Y.O&biw=1366&bih=623&dpr=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=JVk1Up7hOJDxrQe94IHoBw#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=e9OGFhx3vzRfhM%3A%3BKawSOwT5PSEDTM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Flinuxlibrary.org%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2011%252F05%252Fkubuntu-11-04-4.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Flinuxlibrary.org%252Fkde-plasma-desktop-widgets%25
[06:57] <omkar> 2F%3B800%3B600
[06:58] <omkar> sorry for the pasting image link directly
[06:58] <Jordan_U> kichigai: Did you change any settings related to grub during the Ubuntu installation?
[06:58] <pccfatman> wireless trackball m570
[06:58] <reisio> pccfatman: hrmm, well if solaar doesn't help, look into getting the latest version of upower, there's some talk of this sort of problem having been fixed since only four days ago
[06:59] <kichigai> Jordan_U, No, I didn't change any settings. Bootinfoscript: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109215/
[06:59] <helmut_> hi
[06:59] <reisio> hi helmut
[06:59] <kichigai> pccfatman, Good choice of trackball. That's what I use and I *love* it
[06:59] <pccfatman> I wont use any other :)
[07:00] <pccfatman> thanks reisio appreciate the help, its been driving me nuts for days, and google wasnt much help
[07:00] <Jordan_U> kichigai: One thing to note, the partition table on sdb is a mess in many ways. You should probably fix that ASAP, and I hope all your important data is backed up.
[07:01] <kichigai> Jordan_U, SDB is the flash drive I'm booting the Ubuntu Installer from. There's nothing there I care about.
[07:01] <kichigai> brb
[07:03] <Jordan_U> kichigai: Carefully follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot and at the end (just before step 12) run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and make sure that "sda" is selected as an install device (use sapce bar to select / unselect and Enter to go to the next screen). Be sure to follow those instructions exactly and you should end up with a working system. Goodnight.
[07:04] <omkar> its finei will search it
[07:05] <pccfatman> bbs
[07:13] <pccfatman> all appears to be working ok with solaar, have to let it run for a bit and see what happens, thanks for the help, Ill be back again im sure :)
[07:14] <reisio> pccfatman: :)
[07:15] <Valentina-123> hello, is there any application that shows the  internet bandwidth usage of individual programs running.....or softwares that limits the bandwidth to certain softwares onli ????
[07:15] <reisio> Valentina-123: which do you want, the latter?
[07:15] <Valentina-123> yeah
[07:16] <Valentina-123> plz help me reisio
[07:17] <monkwitdafunk> I use ubuntu amd64 long term
[07:18] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys can someone help me figure out why my wifi says connected but i cannot access the internet, it was working perfect yesterday before i tried installing and configuring samba, but i dunt think samba is the problem, i just am clueless i have googld and googled, and tried thosands of answers none which worked for me...I have tried to reset my modem/router but it works perfectly fine for this computer, my other computers internet connec
[07:18] <Psil0Cybin> tion works for 5 minutes then disconnects for 25 minutes and reconnects for 5 (doesnt say reconnects just lets me actually view websites) I can see my wifi connection is constantly connected so im clueless
[07:18] <SemenDickman> hiiiii
[07:20] <Valentina-123> hi guys, is there any application that shows the  internet bandwidth usage of individual programs running.....or softwares that limits the bandwidth to certain softwares only ???? plz help me
[07:20] <SemenDickman>             yes there is one u indian fucktard
[07:21] <bazhang> !info wondershaper | Valentina-123
[07:22] <Mig_> Does anyone know something about http://gaosu.rave.org/ubuntu? The whole website appears to be unavailable
[07:22] <auronandace> Mig_: if it isn't an official ubuntu website then i doubt it
[07:23] <Valentina-123> SemenDickman: fuck off
[07:23] <Psil0Cybin> hes gone
[07:23] <Psil0Cybin> Valentina-123:
[07:23] <Psil0Cybin> way too late
[07:23] <monkwitdafunk> Valentina123. Do you want ubuntu with internet limted usage?
[07:24] <auronandace> Valentina-123: he got kicked, and don't use that language here please
[07:24] <Psil0Cybin> funny enough semandickman doesnt know how to use vpns and proxys
[07:24] <Psil0Cybin> muaha
[07:24] <Valentina-123> monkwitdafunk: for certain sws only
[07:24] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys can someone help me figure out why my wifi says connected but i cannot access the internet, it was working perfect yesterday before i tried installing and configuring samba, but i dunt think samba is the problem, i just am clueless i have googld and googled, and tried thosands of answers none which worked for me...I have tried to reset my modem/router but it works perfectly fine for this computer, my other computers internet connec
[07:24] <Psil0Cybin> tion works for 5 minutes then disconnects for 25 minutes and reconnects for 5 (doesnt say reconnects just lets me actually view websites) I can see my wifi connection is constantly connected so im clueless
[07:24] <bazhang> !repeat | Psil0Cybin
[07:25] <Valentina-123> monkwitdafunk:can u help
[07:25] <bazhang> !info trickle | Valentina-123
[07:25] <monkwitdafunk> Well....
[07:25] <bazhang> Valentina-123, I have given you two suggestions so far
[07:25] <monkwitdafunk> It all starts with the backbone and isp
[07:25] <bazhang> Valentina-123, have you even tried either one of them yet?
[07:25] <Valentina-123> can I get a GUI based one ???
[07:26] <reisio> there is at least one gui one, but I don't remember its name :/ :p
[07:27] <Valentina-123> plz help me friend
[07:27] <hanasaki> whatiss a good irc channel to discuss printers and ink vs laser vs led and brands?
[07:28] <auronandace> !alis | hanasaki
[07:29] <reisio> hanasaki: #electronics?
[07:29] <bazhang> http://blog.kylemanna.com/linux/2013/06/17/ubuntu-1304-bandwidth-shaping-and-traffic-control-using-htb/   augh he quit
[07:29] <hanasaki> alis has no info lol
[07:30] <reisio> wouldn't have read it anyways :p
[07:30] <bazhang> hanasaki, ##hardware
[07:31] <b0x> how do i completely disable the gnone-screensaver process from running
[07:31] <monkwitdafunk> Hanaski you can share the news after seeing a profession
[07:31] <Shal> I can set up xfce to be like gnome 2? With so many changes, is there a program or mod that I can use to do this?
[07:31] <reisio> Shal: it takes a few minutes to do it manually...
[07:32] <reisio> b0x: you don't want your screen to ever blank?
[07:32] <b0x> well
[07:32] <b0x> i'd like the screen to just turn off
[07:32] <Shal> Would you be willing to to guide me through that reisio ?
[07:32] <b0x> which it does eventually anyway, but when i try to
[07:32] <b0x> restore, or come out of screensaver
[07:32] <b0x> i often get a black screen
[07:33] <b0x> i have to switch to console mode with ctrl alt f1, do "killall gnome-screensaver"
[07:33] <b0x> then ctrl alt f7 to get everything back
[07:33] <reisio> Shal: sure
[07:34] <reisio> b0x: I'd probably do something like this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-replace-gnome-screensaver-with-xscreensaver-in-ubuntu.html
[07:34] <reisio> GNOME 3's blanker is a little underdeveloped
[07:37] <b0x> thanks reisio, i'll try that
[07:37] <Shal> How do you disable leave/enter notices in xchat?
[07:38] <b0x> Shal: theres a option in preferences pretty sure
[07:38] <b0x> or its in their FAQ the line to enter
[07:38] <xlinkz0> Hi, i'm trying to run live ubuntu on a machine from my usb stick, i got it to boot but when i select the first option ( run image smth ) it spits out a lot of text and when it finishes with the text my monitor goes on stand by and it stays that way
[07:40] <Shal> b0x I have been looking around in preferences, please narrow it down a bit
[07:41] <b0x> Shal: please check their FAQ
[07:41] <b0x> it outlines it there
[07:41] <b0x> i know as i was reading it yesterday :p
[07:41] <xlinkz0> Shal: in hexchat it's under Chatting -> Advanced -> (checkox) Hide join dna part messages
[07:43] <bazhang> Shal, right click channel name in xchat
[07:43] <Shal> bazhang, thanks, but I assume that means its only for that channel, I want it hid for all my channels
[07:43] <dr_willis> how to hide parts/joins in xchat?
[07:44] <Shal> dr_willis, yes exactly, for all channels
[07:45] <dr_willis> its in the  xchat faq/docs at its homepage. theres some  conferancemode setting you use the command line to set
[07:45] <dr_willis> some / command
[07:45] <dr_willis> somthing like confernce mode.
[07:45] <dr_willis> i think it may be mentioned in the top 10 faq's  at the xchat homepage
[07:46] <dr_willis> i musch perfer weechat's smart filtering of such messages
[07:46] <Shal> dr_willis, I looked through the FAQ, and didn't see it
[07:46] <reisio> ...
[07:47] <reisio> /set irc_conf_mode  ?
[07:47] <reisio> /set irc_conf_mode 1 ?
[07:47] <monkwitdafunk> Does emapthy support sasl for register?
[07:47] <Dandalion> Hi room, I'm toying with the idea of installing Ubuntu and getting rid of Windows completely - the only drawback of this I can see is gaming. Could anyone provide me with any pointers on making my Windows games fully compatible with Ubuntu? If I can do that, I would never go back
[07:47] <dr_willis> somthing like that. i gave up on xchat a long time ago
[07:47] <monkwitdafunk> Emapthy has everything right?
[07:47] <dr_willis> Dandalion:  'fully compatiable' is not going to happen
[07:47] <monkwitdafunk> Empathy
[07:47] <Dandalion> I figured
[07:48] <Dandalion> :(
[07:48] <dr_willis> Dandalion:  if you want best gaming. dual boot.
[07:48] <Dandalion> I like Ubuntu so much but I hate dual booting
[07:48] <Dandalion> I'd rather run it in a VM on my MS box
[07:48] <dr_willis> give up on games.. thats basically what ive done.  Most are rather poor these days anyway. ;)
[07:48] <Dandalion> true, but Counter-strike will always have my heart
[07:48] <dr_willis> lubuntu in virtualbox - is very very handy
[07:49] <dr_willis> my name is normally 'Easy-Target-Kill-me-first' in those kind of games
[07:49] <Dandalion> basically, if CS:GO/CS:S work good in Ubuntu - that's all I need ;)
[07:49] <bazhang> !appdb | Dandalion
[07:49] <Dandalion> lubuntu?
[07:49] <reisio> Dandalion: they both do, via Wine
[07:50] <dr_willis> !lubuntu
[07:50] <Dandalion> :O
[07:50] <bazhang> Dandalion, check the appdb then join #winehq
[07:50] <Dandalion> well in that case, I may switch over completely. The only other game I play is BF3, rarely, so not a big deal if I lose that. I'm learning programming/web development and from what I have been told Ubuntu is great for C
[07:51] <dr_willis> most any linux can be used for C programming. ;)
[07:51] <Dandalion> considering the guys who invented C also invented the Linux kernel
[07:51] <JimboPea> Hi, I have a HP laptop with an amd apu a8, and discrete graphics. I have the latest beta driver installed. Buw when i run "aticonfig --od-getclocks" it only shows t.he clocks for the intergrated gpu and doesnt see the discrete card. Any ideas?
[07:51] <dr_willis> Hmm? i dont think thats  true Dandalion
[07:52] <Dandalion> Maybe I'm misinformed
[07:52] <auronandace> Dandalion: perhaps you're thinking of unix
[07:52] <dr_willis> ;)
[07:53] <Dandalion> yes
[07:53] <Dandalion> that's what it was
[07:53] <Dandalion> Dennis Ritchie
[07:54] <dr_willis> minux is another os designed for  'learning' ;)  sort of the grandfather to linux in ways, a lot of inspiration came from it.
[07:54] <dr_willis> but theres learning  'C' then theres learning how 'An OS works' ;)
[07:55] <reisio> minix*
[07:55] <Tex_Nick> Dandalion: you're thinking about Thompson & Ritchie ??? with Unix & C ... Torvalds was Linux ;-)
[07:56] <reisio> and Stallman, but GNU/Linux is a Unix clone, so :p
[07:57] <dr_willis> but i thought stallman invented computers? ;)  .. oh wait.. i will shut up now.
[07:57] <Tex_Nick> lol ;-) ... so does Stallman ???
[07:57] <reisio> does stallman what?
[07:58] <nicolette> Hello, I've just installed Ubuntu on my laptop. It worked great from a livecd, but the first time I booted I had no sound. I also recieved an odd error in the software manager about needing to repair the packages. I rebooted, and now when I rebooted, my sound works again, but now Unity never loads when I log in
[07:58] <Tex_Nick> reisio: just poking fun @ Stallman :)
[07:58] <reisio> I just didn't get it...
[07:59] <Dandalion> according to Wikipedia, Stallman was responsible for GNU
[07:59] <Dandalion> Linus was responsible for the Linux Kernal
[07:59] <bazhang> !ot | Dandalion
[07:59] <Dandalion> kernel*
[07:59] <Dandalion> oh oops
[07:59] <monkwitdafunk> How is ubuntu not using a desktop enviroment?
[07:59] <Dandalion> sorry :P
[07:59] <reisio> monkwitdafunk: ?
[07:59] <bazhang> a server monkwitdafunk
[08:00] <dr_willis> monkwitdafunk:  the desktop is just another app you run. ;) just dont run it
[08:00] <xlinkz0> Hi, i'm trying to run live ubuntu on a machine from my usb stick, i got it to boot but when i select the first option ( run image smth ) it spits out a lot of text and when it finishes with the text my monitor goes on stand by and it stays that way
[08:01] <dr_willis> xlinkz0:  'run image somthing...'  err.. normally  the thing boots.. and you get a  'try or install' messaage
[08:01] <Tex_Nick> Dandalion: that's true ... & Linus Torvalds doesn't really like the reference to GNU/Linux ... he prefers to segregate GNU from Linux ... which is true
[08:01] <bazhang> Tex_Nick, take the chit chat elsewhere please
[08:01] <xlinkz0> dr_willis: i get the init messages but then nothing, doesn't matter if i select live boot or install
[08:01] <monkwitdafunk> I forget what one desktop enviroment i used but doing a driver upgrade got me graphics
[08:01] <Dandalion> ahhh yes, but Tex_Nick I suppose this is more relevant to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:02] <Tex_Nick> bazhang : i know better than that sir ... sorry will watch it in the future :)
[08:02] <nicolette> Hello, I've just installed Ubuntu on my laptop. It worked great from a livecd, but the first time I booted I had no sound. I also recieved an odd error in the software manager about needing to repair the packages. I rebooted, and now when I rebooted, my sound works again, but now Unity never loads when I log in
[08:02] <dr_willis> xlinkz0:  common things/problems.  - you did verify the iso downloaded md5 sum? you did verify the burn? try differnt tools to put the ISO on the usb, try differnt usb's,  try the nomodeset option on the live usb.
[08:02] <nicolette> the only way i can interact with the OS is currently via terminal
[08:03] <bazhang> nicolette, did you try in low graphics mode
[08:03] <nicolette> no, I haven't tried that. I guess this could be related to me installing the video drivers
[08:04] <bazhang> nicolette, and what about using different shells than unity
[08:04] <dr_willis> nicolette:  so it worked - befir you installed the drivers?
[08:05] <xlinkz0> i'll test it on my laptop, brb
[08:05] <Shal> How can I mount my hard drive to access it from my live usb flash drive?
[08:06] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys can someone help me figure out why my wifi says connected but i cannot access the internet, it was working perfect yesterday before i tried installing and configuring samba, but i dunt think samba is the problem, i just am clueless i have googld and googled, and tried thosands of answers none which worked for me...I have tried to reset my modem/router but it works perfectly fine for this computer, my other computers internet connec
[08:06] <Psil0Cybin> tion works for 5 minutes then disconnects for 25 minutes and reconnects for 5 (doesnt say reconnects just lets me actually view websites) I can see my wifi connection is constantly connected so im clueless
[08:06] <nicolette> Sorry did anyone say anyhing to me?
[08:06] <dr_willis> Shal:  proper use of the mount command is one way.
[08:06] <nicolette> I had to close xchat to access the terminal
[08:06] <Psil0Cybin> nicolette? lmao
[08:06] <Psil0Cybin> i used to call my x gf  that
[08:06] <Psil0Cybin> wierd
[08:06] <Shal> proper use? When I tell it to mount it says "Adding read ACL for uid 999 to `/media/xubuntu' failed: Operation not supported"
[08:07] <nicolette> I have no Unity so I have no way to switch between windows..
[08:07] <Psil0Cybin> try
[08:07] <nicolette> how can I use a terminal to access System settings?
[08:07] <Psil0Cybin> ALT+TAB
[08:07] <nicolette> ALT TAB doesn't work
[08:07] <Psil0Cybin> wtf
[08:07] <dr_willis> Shal:  so what filesystem is the drive using? I really havent ever used acl's - so you may  be doing somthing that ive never done/used befor
[08:07] <nicolette> ALT TAB requires Unity...
[08:07] <dr_willis> nicolette:  so you are on a semi-working X desktop?
[08:08] <Shal> ext4, it works perfectly fine under the installed distro
[08:08] <nicolette> yes, desktop is loaded after installing drivers.. but no Unity
[08:08] <Shal> dr_willis,
[08:08] <Shal> And I don't know what acls are
[08:08] <Shal> but it isn't something I choose to use
[08:08] <dr_willis> nicolette:  to get at least a 'useable desktop' you may want to do a 'sudo apt-get install jwm' then run 'jwm' in a terminal.
[08:09] <nicolette> what is that?
[08:09] <dr_willis> Shal:  some sort of access /permission thing. ;) ive never used them etither
[08:09] <dr_willis> !info jwm
[08:09] <nicolette> I see..
[08:09] <dr_willis> jwm- about the lightest/smallest window manager in the repos.
[08:09] <dr_willis> a Huge 290k!
[08:09] <nicolette> or I could prolly just switch to GNOME, right?
[08:09] <dr_willis> if you got it installed. ;)
[08:09] <Shal> dr_willis, So can you help me?
[08:09] <dr_willis> jwm will take like 3 sec to download
[08:10] <dr_willis> Shal:   what was the original os that made the partion?
[08:10] <wylde_> nicolette: what output do you get from 'ps aux | grep lightdm'?
[08:10] <nicolette> jwm got me a window manager, thanks
[08:10] <Shal> dr_willis, ubuntu 11.10
[08:10] <dr_willis> jwm is about as basic and light as it gets. ;) handy for vnc and remote sessions.
[08:11] <dr_willis> Shal:  you migght want to check askubuntu.com to see if anyone else knows about that error mesage. I never have looked into acl ussage. so dont know how or what its really used
[08:11] <dr_willis> !acl
[08:11] <nicolette> here is the output: http://www.pastebin.ca/2451826
[08:12] <dr_willis> Shal:  that error message dosent really say the mount failed. it just is saying it cant add the permission.  so did it actually fail to mount?
[08:12] <yellabs-r2> we need an ubuntu version thats all dutch, how could we get it , any tips are welcome ( should we roll out our own version ? )
[08:12] <Shal> dr_willis, I don't understand what distinction you are tying to make, I can't access the drive
[08:13] <reisio> #ubuntu-nl ?
[08:13] <wylde_> nicolette: ok, that's not the problem.
[08:13] <dr_willis> Shal:  how are you trying to access it? as what user.
[08:13] <dr_willis> Shal:  whats the exact mount command you are using also.
[08:13] <yellabs-r2> i asked there, but there is no nl version they are maing right now..
[08:13] <Shal> dr_willis, I said, from a usb live flash drive. Access it by point and click
[08:13] <dr_willis> Shal:  use the shell. it will give better error messages
[08:14] <dr_willis> shal the live cd will also be the user 'ubuntu' its possible that user has no rights to access the filesystem. Your root user should be able to
[08:14] <Shal> dr_willis, please tell me how to do it via terminal then please
[08:14] <nicolette> There were two updates listed in the Software Manager.. I'm going to try switching to the other one
[08:14] <nicolette> Also, what is the command to open Ubuntu Software Center?
[08:14] <dr_willis> !mount | shal  for referance.
[08:15] <dr_willis> Shal:  somthing like 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/MAKEADIRECTORYFIRST'
[08:15] <dr_willis> then try a 'sudo ls /media/THENAMEYOUMADE'
[08:15] <wylde_> !find language-pack-nl
[08:15] <dr_willis> assuming the partion is sda1
[08:15] <crocket> nautilus is shitty.
[08:16] <nicolette> also... I have ATI graphics. Is it correct for me to be installing fglrx from the System Settings -> Software and Updates?
[08:16] <crocket> What's a good alternative nautilus for unity?
[08:16] <dr_willis> crocket:  theres dozens of file managers in the repos.
[08:16] <reisio> crocket: what don't you like about nautilus?
[08:16] <wylde_> nicolette: you can use jockey to get those drivers
[08:16] <Shal> dr_willis, make directory?
[08:16] <dr_willis> and theres tweaked nautiuls variants out in unofficial places. ;)
[08:16] <nicolette> jockey?
[08:16] <dr_willis> Shal:  yes.. you MAKE a directory to MOUNt the  partion to
[08:16] <dr_willis> Shal:  that mount info url - gives details.
[08:17] <wylde_> nicolette: it's the actual program for "Additional Drivers" :)
[08:17] <nicolette> interesting
[08:17] <dr_willis> jocky-gtk i thought was the name.. at least in the older ubuntus' - the newer ones  have the addational-drivers tool in a tab under the software-sources tool
[08:17] <Shal> dr_willis, You mean https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount?
[08:17] <crocket> reisio, When I type some keys in it, nautilus just automatically searches what I type. But I want it to point to the matching files/directories.
[08:17] <wylde_> nicolette: you can run it from the commandline with jockey-text
[08:18] <dr_willis> Shal:  yes. its worth skimming/reading that to learn the basics of what you are trying to do
[08:18] <wylde_> dr_willis: yes it is
[08:18] <reisio> crocket: it doesn't point?
[08:18] <crocket> dr_willis, What's the best?
[08:18] <nicolette> I just installed the other driver in Additional Drivers
[08:18] <nicolette> Is it worth it for me to install jockey?
[08:18] <nicolette> or should I try rebooting now?
[08:18] <dr_willis> Shal:  make a directory 'sudo mkdir /media/THEDIR'  mount the drive to it.. 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/THEDIR'   see whats there 'sudo ls /media/THEDIR'
[08:18] <nicolette> Also, is there a command I can run to try to restart unity?
[08:18] <crocket> reisio, In other file managers, when you type some keys, they move focus to files/directories that match what you type.
[08:19] <dr_willis> crocket:  totally depends on what your needs are. I use 'mc' 90% of the time.
[08:19] <crocket> reisio, In nautilus, when you type, it starts a search.
[08:19] <reisio> crocket: ah, use one of the others then
[08:19] <wylde_> nicolette: compiz --display :0 --replace   might help
[08:19] <Rory> nicolette, i think "unity --replace"
[08:19] <reisio> crocket: alternatively: http://www.google.com/search?q=nautilus%20disable%20search
[08:19] <crocket> reisio, I think GNOME devs are becoming increasingly crazy.
[08:20] <reisio> crocket: maybe, but only about what they always wanted
[08:21] <nicolette> here is the output when I try to start Unity
[08:21] <nicolette> http://www.pastebin.ca/2451835
[08:21] <crocket> reisio, They removed lots of fine-grained background settings to the point of frustration, and they put auto-search into nautilus.
[08:21] <day> ive a big problem with my soundcard/microphone. Im using a ALC889. And the microphone adds random fragments to my voice. Not all the time just every few seconds and ive no idea how to fix this.
[08:21] <crocket> It's just crazy.
[08:22] <crocket> They're certainly drifting a lot in brownian motions.
[08:22] <reisio> crocket: it's not my cup of tea, but it's what they've always been into in GNOME land
[08:22] <crocket> reisio, I think GNOME people are drifting.
[08:22] <xlinkz0> dr_willis: md5sum is correct, i can boot from it on my laptop, tried different usb ports on the desktop with the problem but i nothing changed
[08:22] <nicolette> brb, gonna try a restart
[08:23] <xlinkz0> i suspect it's booting it just has a problem with the display/graphics card?
[08:23] <bekks> xlinkz0: Did you try the nomodeset kernel option?
[08:24] <xlinkz0> no, do i just go into help then type nomodeset?
[08:24] <Shal> dr_willis,  don't I need to make the directory on a specific partition? I see nothing in that code that specifies which partition the directory is being made in
[08:24] <bekks> !nomodeset|xlinkz0
[08:24] <day> maybe i should just get a cheap 'working' soundcard :/
[08:24] <dr_willis> Shal:  you Mount a partion TO a directory. the directory can be anywhere.
[08:24] <xlinkz0> thanks
[08:24] <nicolette> well that didn't work.
[08:25] <crocket> I just ended up installing marlin as a replacement for nautilus.
[08:25] <nicolette> now I can't even start JWM
[08:25] <Mig_> what do I do when apt-get fails on me because it can't locate the source?
[08:25] <Rory> nicolette, might it not be easier to log out and in?
[08:25] <dr_willis> Shal:  mount example ->  'mount /dev/sda1 /path/to/the/mountpoint'
[08:25] <nicolette> If I try to start JWM now it claims that the display is already manager (it definitely isn't
[08:25] <Rory> Mig_, please post the full error on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[08:25] <dr_willis> Shal:  that  /path/to/the//mountpoint MUST exist befor you can mount the partion to it
[08:25] <Rory> nicolette, jwm --replace ?
[08:25] <nicolette> tried it
[08:26] <dr_willis> jwm dosent support replace i imagine. ;) its too new a option
[08:26] <Rory> nicolette, are you trying to use jwm instead of unity?
[08:26] <dr_willis> killall compiz && jwm
[08:26] <dr_willis> perhaps. ;)
[08:26] <Shal> dr_willis, Ok, but this confuses me a bit because it has the appearance of being the exact opposite of how windows works :p But I think I get it
[08:27] <Shal> partially
[08:27] <xlinkz0> bekks: i'm on 12.04 i don't get the f6 stuff with extra options
[08:27] <dr_willis> Shal:  windows does it totally screwy.   Linux - you put the partion exactly where you want it to go on the directory 'tree' of the system
[08:27] <bekks> xlinkz0: What is "f6 stuff"?
[08:27] <dr_willis> you want sda3 to be your home directory,, you mount it to /home/
[08:27] <xlinkz0> bekks: http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3509/dgfdgrunningoraclevmvir.png
[08:27] <nicolette> I had to kill the terminal window and xchat again
[08:27] <dr_willis> want it for video. mount it to /media/videos
[08:27] <nicolette> did i miss anything?
[08:27] <peter09> /join ubuntu+1
[08:27] <Mig_> Rory: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109483/
[08:28] <nicolette> jwm --replace doesn't give any errors, but also doesn't work
[08:28] <dr_willis> nicolette:  you should learn to use a console based irc client. ;)
[08:28] <xlinkz0> bekks: 12.04 doesn't have a splash screen like that, the options on the bottom are not present
[08:28] <wilee-nilee> peter09/join #ubuntu+1
[08:28] <Rory> dr_willis, NTFS does actually allow you to mount a volume as a folder, but I agree, the UNIX way seems more obvious and powerful
[08:28] <bekks> xlinkz0: Yeah, because 12.04 uses grub2.
[08:28] <shawn> hello the world !!! please how do active the seLInux on Ubuntu Studio ? thanks !!!
[08:28] <nicolette> lol, i have more pressing concerns..
[08:28] <Rory> Mig_, What is gaosu.rave.org ???
[08:28] <bekks> xlinkz0: Enter the menu, and add the option.
[08:28] <bekks> !grub2 | xlinkz0
[08:28] <vs7> hi, anyone know how to get amd catalyst driver 12.4 and radeon hd 6950 working in 12.04.3 LTS
[08:28] <dr_willis> Rory:  and ive had that totally screw things up. ;) but ive also had windows decide to install to my H: drive giving me no C: D: E: or F; once.. and that really really goofed things up. ;P
[08:29] <Mig_> it's where the packages are located
[08:29] <dr_willis> !selinux | shawn
[08:29] <xlinkz0> bekks: doesn't look like that either ;\
[08:29] <vs7> * 12.04.3 LTS 64-bit
[08:29] <bekks> Mig_: If you have issues with your PPA - and thats what you have - please contact the maintainer of the PPA.
[08:29] <xlinkz0> i don't have grub installed, i'm trying to run ubuntu as a live image
[08:29] <Shal> dr_willis, Can't I mount it directly to media? How do I determine the name to use to mount X partition to the directory?
[08:29] <bekks> xlinkz0: Doesnt need to look like that. Please read the grub2 article on how to get into the grub2 menu.
[08:30] <dr_willis> Shal:  again.. you dont want to mount it to /media/ but to a DIRECTORY in  /media/   like how evverything else gets mounted to.
[08:30] <dr_willis> Shal:  you can use ANY NAME you want.
[08:30] <dr_willis> Shal:  i would avoid spaces in the  name, and fancy characters
[08:30] <shawn> thanks ubottu !!!
[08:30] <Mig_> ah, or perhaps i can change my PPA :)
[08:31] <Shal> dr_willis, the name of the partition, not the name of the directory. Like how do I know if its sda1 or something else?
[08:31] <nicolette> any ideas? It seems pretty clear to me that the fglrx driver is causing this... what should I do now?
[08:31] <dr_willis> Shal:    i think that !mount factoid url mentioned how. you can use 'sudo blkid' or 'sudo fdisk -l'
[08:32] <quick---> hi i forgot my external HDD password wihich i have encrypted with ubuntu. is there any way i can recover it ?
[08:32] <bekks> quick---: No.
[08:32] <dr_willis> Shal:  the /dev/sdXX is the 'device' name    sdXY  where X= a letter for the drive and Y = a number for the partion on the drive
[08:33] <SwashBuckla> how do i restore my ipod?
[08:33] <reisio> quick---: if it's actually encrypted, and if the password was of a decent length, nope
[08:33] <SwashBuckla> note: it is not supported by gtkpod
[08:33] <bekks> SwashBuckla: Connect it to iTunes, click restore.
[08:33] <reisio> SwashBuckla: restore?
[08:33] <SwashBuckla> bekks: i dont have itunes
[08:33] <SwashBuckla> reisio: rythmnbox trashed the filesystem
[08:33] <reisio> quick---: sure you didn't write it down or store it in a file somewhere?
[08:34] <quick---> reisio: bekks:  I use a standard combination of some words . is there any brute force software that i can use.
[08:34] <reisio> SwashBuckla: trashed in what way?
[08:34] <reisio> quick---: yes, but it could potentially take eternity
[08:34] <Shal> dr_willis, Neither of those commands tell me which name for which partition. I need additional information like partition size etc
[08:34] <reisio> quick---: that's the whole point of using a long password
[08:34] <quick---> reisio:  Nope i havn't written it anywhere.
[08:34] <SwashBuckla> reisio: now when i try to listen to music on it, a voice plays "please use itunes to restore this ipod"
[08:34] <Shal> So I know which partition it is talking about
[08:35] <reisio> quick---: you'll probably remember it
[08:35] <bekks> quick---: The answer is: No.
[08:35] <reisio> SwashBuckla: mmm
[08:35] <quick---> reisio: I ll take my chances with the software . Ya i hope i remember it too
[08:35] <reisio> SwashBuckla: well, iPhoos are really only made with specific software in mind
[08:35] <reisio> there are plenty of more sensible portable audio devices, that use simple mass storage and not a proprietary filesystem hierarchy
[08:36] <bekks> quick---: Theoretically, you can try to brute force, practically you arent the FBI/NSA having a supercomputer.
[08:36] <SwashBuckla> reisio: :(
[08:36] <nicolette> just FYI, the graphics card giving me this problem is a Radeon HD 7670M in a Lenovo Ideapad y470
[08:36] <bekks> SwashBuckla: Then use itunes to restore the ipod.
[08:36] <reisio> it'd still take ages even with a supercomputer
[08:36] <SwashBuckla> I will have to find a computer running itunes then
[08:36] <reisio> not much point encrypting data that rich people can easily brute force
[08:36] <quick---> bekks:  who know :D
[08:36] <SwashBuckla> bekks: ok
[08:36] <quick---> reisio: bekks: thanks for the advice guys :)
[08:36] <BlackWeb> use GPG
[08:37] <reisio> SwashBuckla: anyways, bekks already told you how to do it
[08:37] <bekks> BlackWeb: Which rewquires you to remember your password, too.
[08:37] <quick---> \msh nickserv logout
[08:37] <quick---> \msg nickserv logout
[08:37] <BlackWeb> What I do is use GPG, Then Flip the ASC file then GPG again,  only a password if you keep a password on your secret key
[08:37] <bekks> BlackWeb: And that "only a password" I what he forgot.
[08:37] <bekks> BlackWeb: Go figure. ;)
[08:38] <crocket> meh
[08:38] <crocket> nemo is a replacement for nautilus.
[08:38] <BlackWeb> LOL oh...
[08:38] <reisio> get yourself a security token and your system will be more secure and you won't be able to forget the password
[08:39] <reisio> or maybe just some gingko :)
[08:39] <crocket> reisio, Are GNOME devs extorted by corrupt people?
[08:39] <crocket> They're killing nautilus.
[08:40] <dr_willis> i just write my password down on a post-it note. ;)
[08:40] <dr_willis> and hide it on the wall with all the other poste-it-notes for all the other passwords
[08:40] <audrey> apt-get seems to have completely fucked itself, apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libbz2.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:40] <ice9> how to open pst files?
[08:41] <Shal> dr_willis, Still there?
[08:41] <BlackWeb> Then after encryption I sometimes rar the encrypted file and then cat it into a jpg so that it sits on pc and no suspecting person would realize its more then a pic
[08:41] <dr_willis> !find libbz2.so
[08:41] <audrey> does this with any command.
[08:41] <xlinkz0> nomodeset worked ! thanks
[08:41] <dr_willis> Shal:  for a bit longer.  works almost over here for me
[08:41] <mamed> ubuntu 13.04 youtube problem . when i try to open a video it is loaded for a while and then scroll arrow goes back to video start position and then "an error occurred"
[08:41] <audrey> when trying to install it with dpkg -i i get this: dpkg-deb: error while loading shared libraries: libbz2.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:41] <xlinkz0> i have a dvd-rom drive in the computer and would like to test if it is working, can i do that from the live image?
[08:41] <Shal> dr_willis, I asked you something awhile back, I guess you missed it, perhaps we should talk in PM?
[08:42] <audrey> so dpkg and apt-get are both broken.
[08:42] <bekks> xlinkz0: Do you inserted the live image into the dvd drive and boot from it?
[08:42] <dr_willis> Shal:  im at work. so may  have to leave at any time.  others in the channel can cover for me if i got to split. ;)
[08:42] <xlinkz0> bekks: no the live image is from an usb stick
[08:42] <Shal> dr_willis then please answer someone
[08:42] <bekks> xlinkz0: Then insert a dvd...
[08:42] <xlinkz0> i did
[08:42] <peter__> NICK Peter09
[08:42] <dr_willis> Shal:  fdisk -l  shows me all partions on all disks here.
[08:43] <dr_willis> shal well 'sudo fdisk -l'     also 'sudo blkid' shows me all partions on the system with the label and other info
[08:43] <bekks> xlinkz0: Then continue.
[08:43] <BlackWeb> Shal    ls -ltr /dev/disk/by-uuid  or ls -ltr /dev/disk/by-label
[08:44] <tozen> hi all does smb can explane me what 4 i have two folders with anoying background ( http://itmages.ru/image/view/1217318/c37ee87b )
[08:44] <tozen> thx
[08:45] <Shal> dr_willis,  fdisk -l seems to only show me mounted partitions, that being only the flash drive. sudo blkid does not tell me which partition name belongs to which partition
[08:45] <xlinkz0> bekks: continue what?
[08:45] <dr_willis> Shal:  fdisk -l should definatly show more then just mounted partions.
[08:45] <Shal> It only has lines like "/dev/sda1: UUID="1e8ea1f1-4065-414b-8724-c23425fe903e" TYPE="ext4" " which is useless
[08:45] <bekks> tozen: The colors depend on the permissions.
[08:45] <dr_willis> Shal:  start mounting them all perhaps?   and see whats in eacch one
[08:45] <Shal> dr_willis but it doesnt
[08:46] <bekks> xlinkz0: Continue using the DVD.
[08:46] <xlinkz0> bekks: when i inserted the dvd nothing happened on the live image, does that mean the dvd-rom isn't working?
[08:46] <BlackWeb> sha1    do  ls -ltr /dev/disk/by-label
[08:46] <Shal> dr_willis mounting them is what I am trying to do
[08:46] <dr_willis> Shal:  i always give my partions lables so o know what ones are what.
[08:46] <dr_willis> Shal:  so you know ONE is /dev/sda1
[08:46] <bekks> xlinkz0: No, it doesnt mean the dvd is not working. You just have to do what you want - manually.
[08:46] <dr_willis> Shal:  and you can see what mountpoints the others are at with the  'mount' command.
[08:46] <Shal> dr_willis, Isn't there a command that will tell me the partitions size, free space?
[08:46] <dr_willis> Shal:  so make a list of what each partion is so you rember.
[08:46] <tozen> bekks: ok thx but what i've to do with this info, pal? :)
[08:46] <xlinkz0> bekks: i entered the home folder but i can't see the dvd-rom in the devices list on te top left list
[08:47] <dr_willis> Shal:  fdisk -l shows me the space here.
[08:47] <dr_willis> in K or somthing
[08:47] <Shal> k?
[08:47] <dr_willis> im not on a ubuntu box so i cant cut/paste any output
[08:47] <bekks> tozen: Now, you have to look at the permissions.
[08:47] <dr_willis> K as in Kilobytes, or somthing.
[08:47] <dr_willis> Shal:  perhaps pastebin the output of those 2 ccommands for the channel to look at
[08:47] <tozen> bekks:  :) ok thx anyway
[08:48] <dr_willis> Shal:  you have shown that sda1 is a linux partion. allready
[08:48] <Shal> dr_willis, Sorry my mistake, I should have said fdisk -l only shows me physical drives, not partitions
[08:48] <crocket> dr_willis, I think nemo serves me right.
[08:48] <dr_willis> Shal:  fdisk -l should show partions on the drives also.    like 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda'  whould show all on sda. by default it shows all drives and all partions  i recall
[08:49] <Shal> They are all linux partitions :p
[08:49] <dr_willis> Shal:  so mount them all.
[08:49] <dr_willis> the mount command will show where they are mounted at now - IF any are mounted
[08:49] <ocooel> Is there anything else out there like Full Circle..?
[08:49] <dr_willis> you can use the 'tune2fs' command to make a proper Label for each partion so you can rember whats what
[08:50] <nicolette> S... switching back to open source drivers did not fix the problem.
[08:50] <nicolette> So*
[08:50] <nicolette> Can anyone please help me here? I'm desperate :(
[08:50] <tozen> bekks: thx sorted now!
[08:50] <dr_willis> nicolette:  try making a new user - see if that user works.
[08:51] <dr_willis> nicolette:  if the new user works.. that points to a user setting problem
[08:51] <Shal> dr_willis, So is there a command that shows partitions total size and free space along with partition names/designations? fdisk does not do this for me
[08:51] <dr_willis> Shal:  i revcal lit doing it for me.. why not pastebin the output for the channel to look at
[08:51] <dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[08:52] <dr_willis> your partions have no names. if you gave them no labels.
[08:52] <dr_willis> or just go down the list.. make a directory for each one.. and mount it to that directory
[08:52] <Shal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109555/
[08:52] <dr_willis> sudo mkdir /media/sda1   && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1      repeat for each drive
[08:53] <Shal> sda1 counts as a name, and I know for a fact some of my partitions have specific names
[08:53] <Shal> that I gave them
[08:53] <dr_willis> you are using a gpt partioned drive. ;) fdisk dosent like those.
[08:53] <bekks> Shal: Names are irrelevant, actually.
[08:53] <Shal> thatis why I said /designation
[08:53] <dr_willis> try 'sudo blkid' pastebin thaat
[08:53] <nicolette> dr_willis, I've actually never done that
[08:53] <nicolette> how do I make a new user?
[08:54] <dr_willis> sda1 is a partion   - sda is a 'drive'
[08:54] <dr_willis> nicolette:  sudo adduser billgates              at the console - is whata i normally do
[08:54] <Shal> Of course I am using GPT, who wouldn't if they can help it.
[08:54] <Mig_> the great thing about linux is that i have just about enough knowledge to fix my problems, but not enough to make sure my fixes don't break something else :D
[08:54] <Shal> How do I make | on my keyboard?
[08:55] <dr_willis> I just use the | key ;)  its right there above my \ key
[08:55] <Shal> I used copy paste to put that here
[08:55] <dr_willis> above my enter key
[08:55] <dr_willis> sudo blkid | pastebinit
[08:55] <tozen> Shal: Shift + \ ?
[08:55] <Shal> Ah the print on the key looks like something else, no wonder I couldn't find it
[08:55] <dr_willis> im not sure any of my pcs aree using GPT. ;)
[08:56] <Shal> why not?
[08:56] <dr_willis> but my newest 'pc' is a raspnberry pi
[08:56] <dr_willis> why should i?
[08:56] <dr_willis> other newest pc is a 2 yr old netbook
[08:56] <bekks> Shal: Until a PC only supports GPT, there is basically no reason to use it.
[08:57] <Shal> Because the alternative of primary  and extended partitions and their limitations are a nightmare unless your partition setup is super simple
[08:57] <dr_willis> I really dont have  much need for complex partion layouts either. ;)
[08:57] <dr_willis> it pays to keep things simple.
[08:58] <bekks> Shal: Thats pretty much just untrue. Nowadays one uses LVM, and thus there is no need to mess with extended partitions anymore.
[08:58] <Shal> well there is no real disadvantage of using gpt
[08:58] <bekks> Shal: And, that applies to GPT, too.
[08:58] <Shal> LVM?
[08:58] <bekks> LVM.
[08:58] <Shal> Which stands for?
[08:58] <dr_willis> !lvm
[08:58] <Shal> a raid setup?
[08:58] <bekks> No.
[08:58] <dr_willis> im so old skool - i dont even use lvm or raid. ;) but i do have my linux on its own ahrd drive
[08:58] <bekks> A Logical Volume Manager.
[08:59] <dr_willis> redhat sets up lvm by default in its normal install i seem to recall
[08:59] <Shal> dr_willis, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109569/
[08:59] <bekks> dr_willis: Yeah, that applies to RHEL6.
[09:00] <Shal> See how it contains no useful information for identifying partitions
[09:00] <bekks> Shal: You dont have enough partitions to use extended partitions ;)
[09:01] <Shal> Its just a temporary setup right now. and there is no reason to NOT use GPT, anyway GPT is what it is, so...
[09:01] <dr_willis> Shal:  you have a whole 2 linux partions..  sda1 and sda2.   and a ntfs on sda4.. you want a linux one.. so mount sda1 and look at whats in it.. same for sda2
[09:02] <Shal> dr_wllis Is there, or is there not a command that will list partitions with their designation along with size and free space?
[09:02] <dr_willis> you gave no label for the partion - so  they got no names.
[09:02] <dr_willis> parted or cfdisk might be able to. i dont see why it matters.
[09:02] <dr_willis> it will take all of 20 sec to mount both partions and look at whats on them
[09:03] <dr_willis> i would imagine that sda1 is the / partion and sda2 is the /home
[09:03] <Shal> for easily identifying the partition without having to go through mounting them one by one. I might only have a few right now, but in the future I could have more, and I want to be able to have that data
[09:04] <dr_willis> then i suggest you start labeling your partions
[09:04] <nicolette> dr_willis, creating a new user accoutn brought back unity, but as soon as  re-installed drivers unity broke again
[09:05] <dr_willis> nicolette:  ;)   so now remove them again and see if billgates is broken? :) if he is. removce all the setting files in his home and see if he works.  this wy you are not goofing around with your main user as a test user.
[09:06] <Rory> nicolette: what drivers? What Ubuntu version? How did it break?
[09:06] <nicolette> I saw a thread with someone with that same graphics chip saying that it was because they installed drivers before Linux headers?
[09:06] <Shal> dr_willis, Labels won't tell me a partitions size and free space
[09:06] <dr_willis> nicolette:  i have only one amd/ati machine. and it uses the open sourced drivers. so other then this basic troublke shooting  i dont know much  more about them
[09:06] <dr_willis> Shal:   i use fdisk -l. if you want to use gpt. then you need to look into the newer partion tools i guess.
[09:06] <Rory> Shal: df -h
[09:07] <Rory> Shal: But that only works for mounted partitions
[09:07] <nicolette> Rory, flgrx on Radeon HD 7970M. Unity reaks after installing drivers
[09:07] <Rory> nicolette: "breaks"
[09:07] <dr_willis> it reaks that it breaks. ;)
[09:08] <nicolette> unity fails to open. I have no window manager but can open terminal through hotkeys.
[09:08] <Rory> nicolette: I need to know your Ubuntu version also
[09:08] <nicolette> 13.04
[09:08] <Shal> dr_willis, Anyway, moving on for the moment, I seem to have mounted it, but where do I find said mounted partition?
[09:08] <dr_willis> nicolette:  if you have jwm installed - you can select it at the Lightdm login screen
[09:08] <dr_willis> Shal:  its at the directory you told it to via the mount command
[09:08] <Rory> nicolette: Can you run the command: "fglrxinfo" and paste the output on http://paste.ubuntu.com please?
[09:09] <Shal> dr_willis, and where is that directory?
[09:09] <dr_willis> mount makes a filesystem APPEAR at a directory  of your designation
[09:09] <dr_willis> Shal:  what command did you use to mount it?
[09:09] <dr_willis> I dont see whats complex about this idea. ;)
[09:09] <dr_willis> mount /dev/sda1   /media/sda1           it SHOWS up at /media/sda1
[09:10] <Benkinooby> hi - i use ubuntu 12.10 and lightdm. when i set lightdm to a custom background still the purplebackground flashes up, before my background is set. how can i set my background from the very first moment i see lightdm?
[09:10] <dr_willis> mount /dev/sda1   /home/billgates/money            it SHOWS up at /home/billgates/money
[09:10] <nicolette> http://pastebin.com/T1H4X4rc
[09:10] <nicolette> Rory
[09:11] <Shal> dr_willis, I used  sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/mydir
[09:11] <dr_willis> Benkinooby:  you can change tghe bg its using in the lightdm configs. or edit the  background image its useing in /usr/share/backgrounds (i think)
[09:11] <dr_willis> Shal:  so look in  /media/mydir
[09:12] <Shal> And where is that?
[09:12] <Shal> I see clutters of icons to partitions on my desktop, but none of them work
[09:12] <dr_willis> Shal:  err... that is the path to the location.    open a shell.. cd /media/mydir
[09:12] <basiclaser> anyone in here tried Lubuntu?
[09:12] <Shal> How do i go there through the DE
[09:12] <Benkinooby> dr_willis: i changed the baground. my problem is, that the default baground is visible for a short moment before the becground i chose is set
[09:12] <dr_willis> Shal:  use the terminal. or type in the path in your file managers address entry field.
[09:13] <dr_willis> Shal:  easier to use the terminal
[09:13] <loredann> Re all
[09:13] <dr_willis> Shal:   or hit  the parent  arrow.button/whatever to you get to  / then look for a 'media'  directory
[09:13] <nicolette> you still there Rory
[09:13] <nicolette> ?
[09:14] <dr_willis> basiclaser:  lubuntu is very popular
[09:14] <Rory> Yes sorry nicolette I missed that before
[09:14] <Mig_> i actually run lubuntu
[09:14] <dr_willis> been using lubuntu on my netbook. and  lxde on my rasppberry pi. ;)
[09:15] <loredann> The system is running in low-graphiccs mode
[09:15] <loredann> Ubuntu 13
[09:15] <Rory> nicolette: Take a look at this link http://askubuntu.com/a/299945
[09:15] <Benkinooby> dr_willis: brb
[09:16] <loredann> Pls help me
[09:16] <Shal> dr_willis,  It's doing something different when I tried the same thing twice, its difficult to explain
[09:16] <Shal> but something isn't right
[09:17] <bekks> Shal: So whats different, and whats "something"? :)
[09:17] <nicolette> Rory, that link only seems to restore default config. will it fix my ATI drivers/
[09:17] <nicolette> ?
[09:17] <dr_willis> you could always reboot so everything gets back to  a sane state. and unmounted. then you could try remounting the partions.  Its possible one or more were auto mounted.. we cant tell what all have been done to the system
[09:17] <Shal> dr_willis, there is the issue of all this clutter of drive listings in my file manager that give me error when I try to click on them.
[09:17] <Rory> nicolette: No, it will put you back to the default open-source drivers, from there we can work on installing fglrx properly
[09:18] <dr_willis> Shal:  the mount command will tell you what is mounted where.
[09:18] <nicolette> well I have a fresh profile I can use
[09:18] <nicolette> let me jump to a new clean profile
[09:18] <Tex_Nick> !details | loredann
[09:18] <dr_willis> Shal:  if you mounted sda1 to /media/mydrive   then   'ls -l /media/mydrive' should show its contents
[09:18] <Alpotr> hey
[09:18] <Alpotr> how can i disable the alt+right click menu?
[09:19] <Shal> dr_willis, I am talking about through the DE, not everyone wants to run things through commands only, or even can
[09:19] <Alpotr> i have twice already closed a window accidentally because of that
[09:19] <Vbitz> what's the channel for 13.10?
[09:19] <Mig_> i'm assuming getting a screen with vertical lines when starting up a game means there's something wrong with my graphics driver? :P
[09:19] <Alpotr> i disabled alt+space menu from settings but can't find where o disable the alt+right click menu
[09:20] <dr_willis> Shal:  im not on a ubuntu box so i dont have the desktop memorised. and commonly support in irc is easier with the terminal.     unless you want to start posting screenshots and videos.
[09:20] <nicolette> brb, gotta switch profiles
[09:20] <bekks> Mig_: Or with the settings of the game, or with the hardware requirements of the game, or or or
[09:20] <Shal> First time I went to media/mydir, it took me to one of those 50gb listings, it showed me a bunch of system files, I was actually able to access one of these. But then suddenly it was giving me the error instead of accessing . So then I renavigated to it, and I found myself in a empty 4gb space, I don't have any partitions of that size
[09:21] <Mig_> bekks, it are pretty low req games and i didn't mess about with any settings
[09:21] <bekks> Shal: Which error?
[09:21] <Rory> Shal: An alarm bell in my head is screaming hard-drive imminent failure
[09:21]  * dr_willis agrees with rory.
[09:21] <Shal> failed to mount "Adding read ACL for uid 999 to `/media/xubuntu' failed: Operation not supported."
[09:22] <bekks> Shal: Did you check wether the disk is going to fail soon and did you run fsck -f while everything is unmounted?
[09:22] <dr_willis> Shal:  you said the drive was at  /media/mydrive
[09:22] <Shal> Rory My HDD has been behaving fine before I tried to acess it through this live, so I really doubt its the physical drive
[09:22] <bekks> Shal: BEhaviour can change. Think of kids.
[09:22] <Rory> Shal: OK but don't say I didn't warn you. I'd recommend a backup at least.
[09:22] <bekks> Shal: Did you check the physical state of the drive?
[09:23] <Shal> dr_willis I told you, I got a bunch of these, and that is the error trying to access one gives me. And when I went to media/mydrive the first time it dumped me into one of these
[09:23] <nicolette> hi Rory, what would you like me to do now?
[09:23] <bekks> Shal: And which error...?
[09:23] <Rory> nicolette: Did it work?
[09:23] <Shal> I just said what error
[09:23] <nicolette> creating a new profile fixes my issue, yes.
[09:23] <Shal> bekks, failed to mount "Adding read ACL for uid 999 to `/media/xubuntu' failed: Operation not supported."
[09:23] <bekks> Shal: Then answer the question I asked please.
[09:23] <nicolette> well it restores open source drivers
[09:24] <Rory> nicolette: Did you follow the instructions in the link I sent you, and have you rebooted since? Are you now looking at a fully functional Unity desktop, using the open source drivers?
[09:25] <Shal> bekks, I have not run some kind of test on the physical drive to confirm what I already know, it's fine. Aside from the error being a that of a mounting failure, and the timing of this being right when I am using a Live, I've experienced HDD failure before and know what it looks like
[09:25] <nicolette> Rory, I created a new profile, it does the same thing,
[09:25] <Shal> what it sounds like
[09:25] <Rory> nicolette: No it doesn't do the same thing.
[09:26] <Rory> nicolette: It's actually even better... Are you using fglrx now?
[09:26] <Shal> HDD almost never just completely die suddenly, and there are noisy as hell when they go
[09:26] <bekks> Shal: Well, everything you told us tells us you have a hardware failure. I you dont want to believe it or at least check that, it is your choice. Good luck.
[09:26] <nicolette> I'm on it again, but, I can go back to open source.
[09:26] <bekks> Shal: They can die quietly.
[09:26] <Rory> nicolette: No don't! You wanted Unity working with fglrx and you've got it!
[09:27] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/202560/cant-mount-any-partition-due-to-usb-adding-read-acl-for-uid-1000-to-media-e
[09:27] <nicolette> nah unity broke again once I switched the driver back
[09:27] <occ> i think someone might have been on my computer while i was out just now.... is there any command i can run that will show what programs were launched in the past hour and what time they were launched ?
[09:27] <nicolette> I need to re-do the profile again
[09:27] <Shal> bekks, confirming it will be as simple as going to my regular installed distro, and I got nothing to back up onto except this tiny usb flash drive so if it was failing, nothing I can do about it
[09:27] <dr_willis> Shal:  look there.. it seems you need to make a /media/YOURUSERNAME directgory for the system to auto-mount those partions to - IF you are using the gui
[09:27] <Rory> nicolette: Stay using the open-source driver then?
[09:28] <nicolette> I have to have proprietary drivers for gaming
[09:28] <bekks> Shal: No, you need a live cd/usb.
[09:28] <dr_willis> Shal:  they changed in recent releases where  stuff the user mounts goes to  /media/theusername/diskname
[09:28] <dr_willis> each user has their own directory in  /media/ for their own mounts
[09:29] <Shal> bekks If I load back to my install and access is normal, you don't think that confirms the HDD is fine?
[09:29] <bekks> Shal: No.
[09:29] <Shal> bekks how's that?
[09:29] <bekks> Shal: Because a car _looking_ good maybe totally broken for real.
[09:30] <bekks> Shal: To confirm it, check your drive, and, in addition, run fsck -f for every linux filesystem.
[09:30] <Shal> If the car runs fine, except when you run it over speed bumps and you bounce up and down, then its probably the speed bumps and not the car
[09:30] <bekks> Shal: However. Check your harddrive and check your filesystems. Nohing more to say until you did it.
[09:31] <Shal> bekks, Are you saying that accessing a HDD from a life flash drive is more stressful on it then operating from the OS on said HDD?
[09:31] <bekks> Shal: No. I did say: Check your harddrive and your filesystems.
[09:32]  * dr_willis wonders if anyone saw the answer at -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/202560/cant-mount-any-partition-due-to-usb-adding-read-acl-for-uid-1000-to-media-e
[09:32] <dr_willis> well night all ;) work is  about done for the day
[09:32] <Shal> Can anyone take over for willis in helping me figure this out?
[09:33] <dr_willis> Shal:  read the URL i posted
[09:33] <bekks> Shal: Read his link would be a good start :)
[09:33] <dr_willis> it shows the exact error you ahve been saying....
[09:34] <Shal> Yeah but I need help with what is said there
[09:34] <bekks> Help with what? Checking wether /media exists?
[09:34] <dr_willis> they give the commands to use.
[09:34] <dr_willis> make a directory the same name as your user. make it owned by them..
[09:35] <bekks> Shal: And they explain what they do...
[09:35] <Shal> Well for example "changing user owner and group owner of the directory", won't that screw up my installed distro?
[09:35] <bekks> Shal: Not until you use "-R" ...
[09:36] <Shal> r?
[09:36] <Shal> Whats that do?
[09:36] <bekks> And since there is nothing mounted there, what should be screwed?
[09:36] <bekks> Shal: "-R" is not "r". And -R is an option for chmod/chown. And you are told to not use it.
[09:36] <Shal> and it says to make and mount the directory, but that is exactly what I did. Nor does it explain why I have so many of these broken device listings, or why my mounted partition is empty and 4gb
[09:37] <bekks> Shal: Thats not the intention of that link. It fixes the error message. Not your usage.
[09:37] <bekks> Shal: Please read it completely.
[09:37] <dr_willis> !permissions | shal   Worth bookmarking and reading this url
[09:37] <Shal> I know you said -R, please don't get all semantical on me, I was just referring to what you said
[09:38] <crocket> After installing cinnamon-screensaver on ubuntu 13.04, I can't lock my computer via menu.
[09:38] <crocket> But I can't lock it via Ctrl+AltL.
[09:38] <crocket> But I can't lock it via Ctrl+Alt+L.
[09:38] <crocket> But I can lock it via Ctrl+Alt+L.
[09:38] <nicolette>  whew, I accidentally went into the Debian channel
[09:39] <crocket> Why does ubuntu menu fail to recognize cinnamon-screensaver?
[09:39] <nicolette> Rory, I'm in Unity with open source drivers.
[09:39] <nicolette> what now?
[09:39] <nicolette> I need fglrx working.
[09:39] <Shal> dr_willis, So if I use those commands, minus any r, it will have no effect at all on my installed OS?
[09:39] <dr_willis> Shal:   looked like they were using the exact path to the directory.
[09:40] <dr_willis> if you are booted from a live cd/usb - then  /media/ is on the cd/usbs system.. not your installed system
[09:40] <Shal> So is that a yes or a no?
[09:41] <dr_willis> you are chowning the directory BEFOR you mount anything. so it cant affect whats on the hard drive befor its mounted
[09:41] <nicolette> Rory, are you there?
[09:42] <dr_willis> time to head home. bye all..  maybe back in about an hr.
[09:43] <Shal> dr_willis Also a reply says using 777 is bad advice, why would that be bad advice?
[09:43] <Shal> why could it be bad advice?
[09:44] <bekks> Because 777 means "full access to everyone". You dont want that.
[09:44] <bekks> Please read the link about permissions as he provided it to you.
[09:44] <Shal> I did
[09:44] <wilad007> Does anybody code in python here?
[09:44] <Shal> But there is only so much I understood of it
[09:44] <bekks> Shal: You did not understand it then.
[09:44] <Shal> So?
[09:44] <cfhowlett> !python|wilad007
[09:45] <Shal> I am here for help, not criticism for lack of understanding.
[09:45] <nicolette> Sigh.. this  is such a waste of time.
[09:45] <wilad007> Anyone besides a bot...:-D
[09:45] <bekks> Shal: Well, if you dont want to hear the answer, you get no answer (from me) anymore.
[09:45] <Shal> bekks, bottom line, what are some worse case scenarios with 777?
[09:46] <Shal> bekks, Telling me to read the link I did not understand isn't a matter of not wanting to hear a answer, but not getting one in the first place
[09:46] <wilad007> sounds like a heated conversation
[09:46] <Shal> Is it?
[09:47] <wilad007> Any python guru's want to help a newbie out
[09:47] <Shal> What can happen if you set a directory for 777?
[09:47] <cfhowlett> wilad007, as noted earlier, python types are more prevalent in #python.  Best to seek them in their home turn.
[09:47] <cfhowlett> *turf*
[09:48] <wilad007> Yes I known, but they won't let you post unless you register you nickname which I tried but it failed. Sign.
[09:49] <cfhowlett> wilad007, solve that.  trying to get python guidance in the ubuntu channel is ... questionable.
[09:49] <Shal> cfhowlett, Well might you please help me?
[09:50] <cfhowlett> Shal, 777 is completely over my head.  sorry.
[09:51] <Shal> cfhowlett, At all familiar with access error problems to partitions from live?
[09:53] <bekks> Shal: Dr_Willis gave you the link with the solution to your problems.
[09:54] <Shal> bekks, please help or at least stop sabotaging my efforts to find help
[09:54] <cfhowlett> Shal, I've experienced them only in passing.  hang out for awhile.  no doubt, someone more qualified than I will visit at some point.
[09:54] <bekks> Shal: How much help do you want, in addition?
[09:54] <Shal> You could answer my question for starters
[09:55] <Luyin> Shal: if you did "not understand" a link, ask specific questions about what parts you're having problems with, don't ask us to give you a new explanation or other solution if that's the solution.
[09:56] <Shal> and stop acting like there is a magical link. There is a link that might be related to my issue, first I need to establish instructions safety before trying out. And even after that, it doesn't seem to be quit the same thing and might not fix it
[09:56] <Shal> I did luyin
[09:56] <Luyin> Shal: doesn't look very much like it to me
[09:56] <bekks> Shal: I answered your question about 777.
[09:56] <bekks> So continue now please.
[09:57] <Shal> I will ask my question again. What are the issues with 777, what are the possible negative repercussions?
[09:57] <dr_willis_> on a single user system. not anything.
[09:57] <dr_willis_> use 750 if you want
[09:58] <bekks> (and 750 is mentioned in the article)
[09:58] <Shal> dr_willis_, doesn't mean any compromise with internet safety?
[09:58] <jost> Hi! I've recently gotten a new machine. It works fine with windows, but with Ubuntu I experience random freezes. It is not due to overheating, and I doubt that it is a hardware problem, as windows runs fine. Any idea how to diagnose the problem?
[09:58] <jost> dmesg doesn't reveal anything
[09:58] <dr_willis_> Shal:  if people on the internet are getting to your files. you got bigger issues to begin with
[09:59] <Shal> dr_willis_ I mean it won't open me up to programs installing without permission or anything?
[09:59] <dr_willis_> Shal:  of course not.
[10:00] <Shal> well obvious to you, but clearly not to me
[10:00] <Shal> which is why I asked
[10:00] <Luyin> Shal: 777 means that every user on your machine has every permission set, nothing to do with the internet
[10:00] <Shal> Luyin, Which means the same as being logged in as admin?
[10:01] <dr_willis_> turn off your internet if you are worried
[10:01] <Shal> dr_willis_, I bristle at such sarcastic advice, please don't
[10:01] <dr_willis_> it may be time to read up on some linux permissions
[10:02] <dr_willis_> and its sound advice
[10:02] <Shal> If it's anything like the link you gave me, it's no good. Too much I don't understand in order to comprehend the page in the first place
[10:03] <Luyin> Shal: it means nobody with access to your machine needs to be logged in as root to change/read/execute this file
[10:03] <Shal> dr_willis_, Ok, once you turn off your PC, I will turn off my internet
[10:03] <dr_willis_> making a directory and setting its owner is rather simple in concrpt.
[10:03] <dr_willis_> my pc is off. im on my phone now.
[10:03] <Shal> Yeah which leads me to believe that has nothing to do with my weird problems
[10:04] <Shal> I count your phone as the PC, anyway I was just matching sarcasm for sarcasm
[10:04] <dr_willis_> which weird problem now?
[10:04] <Shal> I described it before
[10:05] <dr_willis_> your acl error seemed identical to the askubuntu answer.  a directory is missing.
[10:05] <Shal> A population of icons giving strange errors. mounted drive that leads to a crowded 50 gb drive one time,(one of those that otherwise errors) and a empty 4gb the next
[10:05] <dr_willis_> make it. make it owned by your user. gui should Work
[10:05] <Shal> GUI as in DE, as in point and click?
[10:05] <dr_willis_> good luck. gotta catch my ride.
[10:06] <Luyin> Shal: yes
[10:06] <Shal> yeah well its buggy as hell, as I mentioned
[10:06] <Luyin> which do you use? unity?
[10:06] <Shal> This is xubuntu 12.10 running live, trying to access drives made under ubuntu 11.10
[10:06] <Shal> a installed ubuntu 11.10
[10:07] <Luyin> show me the link given to you, please
[10:07] <Shal> http://askubuntu.com/questions/202560/cant-mount-any-partition-due-to-usb-adding-read-acl-for-uid-1000-to-media-e
[10:07] <Shal> but that isn't exactly the error message I get
[10:08] <Shal> And the symptoms are beyond just the error message
[10:08] <Luyin> ok since I haven't been there, give me a minute to read tha backlog
[10:10] <Shal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount and file permissions (dang it, copy paste is acting up now)
[10:13] <Shal> One other symptom to mention. My desktop is completely locked up
[10:13] <Luyin> Shal: you are trying to access a hard drive from a live OS?
[10:13] <Shal> I can access things through taskbars and stuff, but one of the drives is highlighted, and I can not select anything else, or right click, or anything
[10:13] <Shal> mouse floats over it is all
[10:14] <Shal> Yes
[10:14] <Luyin> Shal: please open a terminal and tell me the output of mount
[10:14] <Shal> I got other stuff I want to do after that, but first I need to get over this
[10:14] <Shal> Ok, please specify the mount command
[10:15] <Shal> I think the desktop froze up when I tried to access one of the listed drives off it
[10:15] <Luyin> Shal: open a terminal, type mount and enter and paste it.
[10:16] <Shal> oh never mind, i figured out why the desktop was frozen
[10:17] <Luyin> still give us the output of mount, please
[10:17] <Shal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109805/
[10:19] <Luyin> Shal: ls /dev | grep [sh]d[a-z][0-9] and blkid please
[10:19] <jost> Hi! I've recently gotten a new machine. It works fine with windows, but with Ubuntu I experience random freezes. It is not due to overheating, and I doubt that it is a hardware problem, as windows runs fine. Any idea how to diagnose the problem? dmesg does not reveal anything...
[10:19] <jost> sorry for the repetition
[10:20] <Luyin> jost: taking a look at /var/log could help for starters
[10:20] <gordonjcp> jost: what kind of graphics card does it have?
[10:20] <jost> Luyin: did that
[10:20] <crocket> Is there a nautilus alternative that has a lot more settings?
[10:20] <jost> gordonjcp: nvidia geforce 9800GTX+
[10:21] <crocket> nemo is one, but it comes with cinnamon-screensaver.
[10:21] <Shal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109809/
[10:21] <gordonjcp> jost: are you running noveau or the binary drivers?
[10:21] <crocket> cinnamon-screensaver deletes gnome-screensaver.
[10:21] <crocket> unity is hard-coded against gnome-screensaver.
[10:21] <crocket> What a bullshit DE unity is
[10:21] <Shal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109812/
[10:21] <jost> gordonjcp: the drivers that come eith ubuntu (noveau i guess)
[10:22] <gordonjcp> jost: and it just freezes solid, no crash report or anything?
[10:22] <Shal> well not a fan of unity myself, but I haven't tried its latest incarnation
[10:22] <gordonjcp> crocket: why do you want to install cinnamon-screensaver?
[10:22] <crocket> gordonjcp, I don't want to install cinnamon-screensaver instead of gnome-screensaver.
[10:22] <crocket> nemo wants to install it.
[10:22] <Shal> there you go Luyin , got both links?
[10:23] <gordonjcp> crocket: oh, okay
[10:23]  * gordonjcp quite likes Unity
[10:23] <gordonjcp> it's like the OSX desktop, but done right ;-)
[10:24] <jost> gordonjcp: yes, exactly - the screen freezes, the mouse doesn't move anymore
[10:25] <gordonjcp> jost: any evidence in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[10:25] <gordonjcp> jost: can you switch to a console when it's frozen?
[10:25] <gordonjcp> jost: or even shell in from another machine over ssh?
[10:26] <jost> gordonjcp: I have not checked whats in these logs - switching to a console does not work
[10:27] <jost> (can't check the logs right now, I'm on windows)
[10:28] <crocket> Can anyone recommend a file manager for unity packed with fine-grained settings?
[10:28] <crocket> nautilus is a menace.
[10:28] <advisor> hi all, is there a german-language ubuntu support channel?
[10:28] <Shal> Luyin Are you still there?
[10:29] <Shal> crocket, What do you have against nautilus?
[10:29] <crocket> Shal : autosearch
[10:29] <crocket> It's very annoying
[10:29] <crocket> And it lacks a lot of configuration options.
[10:29] <Shal> What specifically about it is annoying?
[10:29] <crocket> Shal : Haven't you used autosearcH?
[10:29] <Shal> yes
[10:30] <Shal> I have
[10:30] <Shal> But I'm not you
[10:30] <crocket> autosearch should be replaced with file-matching.
[10:30] <crocket> file-matching was the deafult.
[10:30] <crocket> autosearch is slow and annoying.
[10:30] <Shal> What's the difference?
[10:30] <SinCos> what is the 12.04 LTS ubuntus current kernel version??
[10:30] <crocket> Shal : How could you be ignorant of differences after using it?
[10:31] <crocket> Shal : It's one of the most annoying things.
[10:31] <Shal> I've never used file matching AFAIK though
[10:31] <Shal> So I can't know the difference if I've only used one
[10:32] <cfhowlett> !kernel
[10:32] <crocket> Shal : When you type "ha", nautilus used to match a file whose filename starts with "ha".
[10:32] <Rory> I dont think that did what you wanted it to, cfhowlett
[10:32] <crocket> It just moved the focus to a file.
[10:32] <SinCos> does 12.04 have 3.8 kernel???
[10:32] <crocket> Now it searches automatically.
[10:33] <cfhowlett> Rory, damn.  hoped on one would notice ...
[10:33] <Rory> crocket: Oh, I saw an article about this the other day, let me dig it out for you
[10:33] <jost> gordonjcp, nothing in the XOrg or syslog
[10:33] <crocket> Rory : Thanks
[10:33] <Rory> WTF Feedly wants to make me PAY to search my articles
[10:33] <Shal> and now it searches for a file starting with ha? that still doesn't tell me what the difference between matching and searching is
[10:33] <Rory> Shal: matching will just jump to any file starting with that in the directory
[10:34] <bekks> !de | advisor
[10:34] <Rory> Shal: Searching will do a recursive search and bring up a list of all matching files
[10:34] <crocket> Rory : nemo is superior to nautilus in every aspect, but it comes with cinnamon-screensaver. cinnamon-screensaver removes gnome-screensaver, and unity is hard-coded against gnome-screensaver.
[10:34] <Rory> crocket: You could symlink cinnamon-screensaver to gnome-screensaver maybe?
[10:34] <crocket> Rory : don't know
[10:34] <Shal> Rory so matching only checks the start of files, where as searching uses the full files name?
[10:34] <crocket> Rory : I can try. Anyway, what is the article?
[10:35] <Rory> Shal: Yes, and matching only applies in the current directory
[10:35] <Shal> Rory matching couldn't help you find a file with "ha" in its name, but doesn't start with "ha"?
[10:35] <Rory> crocket: I'm trying to find it, but I can't search my Feedly
[10:35] <Rory> Shal: Correct
[10:35] <schmackofatz> hi, usually i use nm-applet to config my wireless and all that, but now i only have command line. is there a cli tool for network manager?
[10:36] <Shal> Well it sounds like matching is limited to make it quicker, and one should be able to use both
[10:36] <gordonjcp> schmackofatz: some hints here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[10:36] <Rory> !info nmcli
[10:36] <crocket> Shal : If you type "ha" in previous version of nautilus, nautilus selected a file whose name starts with "ha" as if you clicked the file.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> !info nm-cli
[10:36] <Rory> Dr_Willis: It's a command that's part of network manager anyway :)
[10:37] <advisor> thx bekks
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  you mean this -> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/09/how-to-disable-recursive-search-in.html
[10:37] <Rory> schmackofatz: You want the command: nmcli [http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man1/nmcli.1.html]
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> !find nmcli
[10:37] <Shal> crocket, Like I said, it sounds like it has some annoying limitations in trade of its speed
[10:37] <Rory> Dr_Willis: That was the article yes. I couldn't remember if it was OMG! or WebUpd8
[10:38] <crocket> Shal : Can you rephrase it?
[10:38] <aantoon> hi, i am trying to install a brother dcp165c printer. installed cups and drivers. all seems to be working but it will still not print. printer is recognized by ubuntu 12.04 just fine (as far as i can tell) but still not printing. what can i do?
[10:38] <crocket> Dr_Willis, That's a nasty hack, but it would work.
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  cant say that ive ever really used the feature in nautilus at all at any time :)
[10:39] <Shal> crocket, It sounds like it should offer filematching for when its speed can be utilized, and searching for when filematching is inadequate/doesn't cover it
[10:39] <crocket> Shal : There should be a separate search box.
[10:39] <Luyin> re
[10:39] <Luyin> Shal: thank you, I got the pastes
[10:39] <Shal> Or a box toggle
[10:40] <Shal> I thought you had left :p
[10:40] <Shal> Its really late for me btw, so if I can at least get this one problem resolved before I log off.
[10:40] <Rory> Shal: Honestly, learn to use the terminal - once you get used to managing files that way, all the squabbling about what nautilus is doing just sails over your head while you Get Stuff Done
[10:40] <schmackofatz> ok - thank you all! nmcli is waht i was looking for.
[10:41] <Shal> Well searching for a file will be the same whether done through terminal or point and click
[10:41] <Rory> Yes but nobody's going to drastically change the behaviour of the "find" command overnight
[10:41] <Rory> Anyway this is getting offtopic :P
[10:41] <Shal> is find, matching or search?
[10:42] <Shal> yeah, like the topic of figuring out why I am having trouble mounting my physical drive partitions to my live
[10:42] <Luyin> Shal: do you receive an error message when mounting your hard drive?
[10:42] <Shal> Luyin, you just started reading those links the moment you came back?
[10:42] <Shal> yes
[10:42] <crocket> Rory : Sometimes, a GUI file manager is more productive than a shell.
[10:43] <Shal> Adding read ACL for uid 999 to `/media/xubuntu' failed: Operation not supported
[10:43] <crocket> Rory : I use a shell and a file manager both.
[10:44] <Shal> Well one problem with using terminal for things is you got to remember so many blasted things, and I struggle remember what I need to remember, I don't need to unnecessarily add more
[10:44] <Shal> and of course point and click is usually much faster
[10:45] <Luyin> Shal: it isn't, actually, as soon as you learn how to use it.
[10:45] <Luyin> have you created the directory /mount/xubuntu before trying to mount to it?
[10:46] <Shal> That is what it generates when I try to mount the drives shown on my Desktop and in file manager. I didn't specifically choose such a directory, its default
[10:47] <Luyin> Shal: please show me ls /media. forget that about /mount, was crap.
[10:48] <Shal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109882
[10:48] <Luyin> Shal: sudo mkdir /media/xubuntu && sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/xubuntu
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> there is no /media/xubuntu directory is my guess.  the disks should be getting mounted to /media/xbuntu/drivename
[10:51] <aantoon> if i try to print something i get "Processing - "Waiting for printer to become available."
[10:51] <Shal> Actually, just the first one worked, making that directory then click mounting it. I tried  before with the mydir I made and terminal mounting it, but it gave me funny results. Perhaps I just misunderstood something
[10:51] <Luyin> Dr_Willis: why should there? he just created it
[10:52] <Luyin> Shal: what "funny results"?
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> Luyin:  i found an identical question  about this on askubuntu.com -  the directory was either not there, or had wrong permissions
[10:52] <crocket> hmm
[10:52] <Luyin> Dr_Willis: found that one too, that was the reason I wanted him to create /media/xubuntu and mount to it.
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> Luyin:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/202630/cant-mount-any-partitions-acl-error
[10:53] <Shal> it looked like one drive when I navigated to what I made one time, and another the second time, also its 4gb big, and I don't even have such a partition that small, except maybe on the flash drive and that shouldn't have mounted with what I used
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> Luyin:  but they are mounting to a directory under that directory - this is a new change to ubuntu in the last few releases.
[10:53] <Shal> Its strange that it would be assigned to mount to that directory, but not already have made that directory
[10:53] <Luyin> ah, ok
[10:53] <Luyin> Shal: have you tried to use the code from the link Dr_Willis just gave?
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> Luyin:  now why the xubuntu live cd dosent have it - no idea. could be it somehow got removed. and a reboot MIGHT bringit back
[10:54] <Shal> Why should I? The problems been fixed
[10:54] <Shal> thankyou
[10:54] <Luyin> Shal: it has? didn't get that. well then, you're welcome
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a bug  on the live cd - if it dosent make that directory
[10:54] <Shal> I just had to make the directory media/xubuntu
[10:55] <Shal> which it was defaulting to looking for
[10:56] <Shal> Well now that I got that fixed, theres the main issue I had originally wanted help with, getting xfce set up like gnome 2
[10:57] <Shal> Someone said its simple enough and quick enough to do, but then once we got into it, it didn't seem very quick or simple
[10:57] <funkt> hi there would anyone know how I can hide my hidden folders it seems when I press ctrl- h or view> do not show hidden folders or even dconf > unticking show hidden folders nothng seems to actually work I am using ubuntu 12.04 I just would like to not have to go through zillions of folders in my home folder
[10:57] <Shal> Didn't help that my helper kept on going AFK
[10:58] <Luyin> Shal: if you want gnome 2, why don't you just use it? since I've never used gnome 2, I won't be able to help you much there, especially as I'm about to leave.
[10:58] <Shal> Because none of the latest releases have it
[10:59] <Shal> And if I use  a earlier release of ubuntu I got security issues, stuff that can't update or upgrade etc
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> actually gnome-shell 3.8+ i think a gnome-2 clone mode.   but ive not used it.
[10:59] <Luyin> Shal: not by standard or not in the repos?
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> i cant even recall what gnome2 layout was.. panel at top? apps at the left side. clock on right.. what else.
[10:59] <Shal> I don't quit understand what you mean, but I start running into all sorts of problems with incompatibility and stuff
[11:00] <Shal> gnome 2 is 3 menu trees on top, applications, places, systems. a bar for mounting app shortcuts, clock. that is on top
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> http://www.instructables.com/id/Xubuntu-1304-GNOME-2-mimic/
[11:01] <Shal> on the bottom is a show desktop button, a task bar for open windows, then a 4 way screen switching thing on the right
[11:01] <lapt0p> Can someone remind me of the command for getting a GUI Window, after changing a certain path in Terminal?
[11:01] <Shal> I find it works very well, and XFCE is not close enough
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:   you mean   'nautilus .'
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> or without the . perhaps. ;)
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> nautilus /path/to/open/
[11:03] <Luyin> Shal: well XFCE can be configured to look exactly like that... go for settings > panel and set it up as you like, or right click on one panel and chose panel settings
[11:03] <aantoon> do i have to blacklist usblp?
[11:03] <Shal> The biggest thing for me is the 3 menu trees
[11:03] <Shal> I hate having stuff crowded into one
[11:04] <Luyin> Shal: I don't quite get what you mean by that. but you might want to check #xfce
[11:04] <Shal> well and I don't begrudge the space of one bar, a autohide isn't really necessary for me
[11:05] <Shal> I mean, XFCE puts all its menu options into that blue and white circle icon
[11:05] <Shal> I see no point in squishing everything into it
[11:06] <Shal> I got a question, how come there are only 3 things in "systems" under that?
[11:06] <Luyin> well I'm off now, see you later guys
[11:06] <Shal> I don't want it just to look like gnome 2, but function like it, and there are alot more menu items in systems then that
[11:06] <Shal> under gnome 2
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  i doubt you are going to get it identical in function.
[11:07] <Luyin> Shal: that's because gnome thinks you're too thick to use all of them
[11:07] <gordonjcp> Shal: there's gnome-fallback I guess
[11:07] <Shal> And I have heard something of a classic mode,  AKA gnome fallback?
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> and gnome-shell has its gnome2 look in gnomeshell 3.8+
[11:07] <gordonjcp> if you want a billion pointless things to fiddle with, use KDE
[11:07] <Shal> is that in 13.4?
[11:07] <gordonjcp> I'd be quite happy with having no control panel at all in Gnome or Unity, or even a menu bar
[11:07] <Shal> I don't need a billion pointless things, systems in gnome 2 was populated with useful functions
[11:08] <gordonjcp> just a button in the middle of the screen saying "make it work"
[11:08] <Shal> Like system monitor, settings for my video card, sound settings etc
[11:08] <gordonjcp> and as long as clicking that button made whatever I was doing work, that would be fine
[11:09] <Shal> Well "work" is a subjective concept
[11:09] <gordonjcp> Shal: click the button and all my PMI reports appear, telepathically sucked out of my brain and typeset in a neat professional-looking way
[11:10] <gordonjcp> Shal: or this bloody Python network code, all tidy and pythonic
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[11:10] <gordonjcp> give it a minute
[11:10] <gordonjcp> done
[11:10] <Shal> Yeah, keep dreaming. Sounds like a nightmare to me though, I don't want no PC getting into my head
[11:10] <gordonjcp> that's not coming until Gnome 4 though
[11:10] <Shal> You mean gnome 400
[11:10] <Shal> No, you mean gnome 4000
[11:10] <Shal> damn nabbit stupid bott
[11:11] <gordonjcp> on a more serious note, I want to hack on a screen "reader" that can read and emit Morse code
[11:12] <Shal> Which would be useful if your wall collapses on you, and your PC is fine, and you got a flashlight or something
[11:12] <Shal> I could just imagine it, please call 911 for me, "ok where do you live?" "ah well my 911 will be different then yours" etc
[11:13] <lapt0p> Is there a way to search through the all command line history? I mean, does it keep the history only from the last session, or from the day i started using it?
[11:13] <Shal> well with terminal, you can press the up key to go to previous commands
[11:13] <Shal> but its only good for that terminal window, and is lost once you close it
[11:14] <lapt0p> Shal: Okay than, thanks :).
[11:14] <Shal> and down too to go forward
[11:14] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: .bash_history
[11:14] <Shal> you can also cut and paste with mouse in terminal. Strangely the hotkeys don't work in terminal though
[11:14] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: or bashrc_history - not sure
[11:15] <Shal> not the cut and paste ones I mean
[11:15] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: the size of that file is limited - somewhere you can set how many commands you want to keep in there
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  'history | grep pattern'  will let you search also
[11:15] <eguerra> hello
[11:16] <aantoon> hi, i am trying to install a brother dcp165c printer. installed cups and drivers. all seems to be working but it will still not print. printer is recognized by ubuntu 12.04 just fine (as far as i can tell) but still not printing. what can i do? if i try to print something i get "Processing - "Waiting for printer to become available." do i have to blacklist usblp? Google is no help at all :(
[11:16] <lapt0p> schmackofatz: Thanks, but where do i find that file?
[11:17] <Shal> So is gnome-fallback in ubuntu 13.4 ? and is it a exact replica of gnome 2?
[11:17] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: it is in your home direcory. it is hidden, sorry i forgto to say that
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  none of them are 'exact' replicas
[11:17] <Shal> enable view hidden
[11:17] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: .bash_history
[11:17] <lapt0p> Dr_Willis: This is the output: 18  history | grep pattern
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> !fallback
[11:18] <lapt0p> schmackofatz:Np, i will check that now
[11:18] <Dr_Willis>  lapt0p  pattern is the pattern of what you are looking for.
[11:18] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: so usually yo do what what Dr_Willis said: cat ~/.bash_history  | grep something
[11:18] <Shal> well I don't mean down to some excruciating detail or something. But does it have a fully populated system menu tree for example Dr_Willis ?
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> history | grep ssh   -> show all my ssh commands
[11:18] <bekks> schmackofatz: useless use of cat ;)
[11:18] <lapt0p> Oh, i forgot that grep was a searcing script :D
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  no idea. i dont bother with gnome2 any more. I imagine the 'defacto' gnome2 mode  will be the gnome-shell gnome2 look mode.
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  ;)
[11:19] <Shal> So does 13.4 have the fallback in it?
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  bash has a very powerfull history features - but most people never notice them
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> !fallback
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> !nounity
[11:20] <schmackofatz> omg, i really have to chnage that coloring scheme of urxvt - people taking to me are written yellow on withe backgound - i can't read it
[11:20] <Shal> Which version is natty?
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> every release seems to have its own named gnome2 look. im on 13.10 testing right now.
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> !natty
[11:21] <Shal> Is this gnome shell, the fall back, is it gnome 2 like?
[11:21] <Shal> Or is it gnome 3?
[11:21] <Shal> minus unity
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> you use Unity OR gnome-shell. both are shells that run over gnome
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.8/   'classic mode' screen shot
[11:24] <lapt0p> Which skills are needed for me to develop a GUI? Which software is needed for the "visual" part?
[11:24] <ufk_> i installed icinga and icinga-web from pta. the web interface doesn't show any hosts
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  the gui part can be done in dozens of differnt ways. ;)   Python is a common 'starting language' to ease you into programming
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> !info gnome-shell-extensions
[11:25] <lapt0p> Dr_Willis: So you say a good starting point will be learning Python, right? :)
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> seems the classic-mode for ghome shell is in the gnome-shell-extensions package from what i just read.
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  python is worth learning
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> fun python site -> http://pyweek.org/
[11:27] <lapt0p> Dr_Willis: I have some experience and basic/medium knowledge in C and C++, is Python's "thinking" similar to their "thinking" ?
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> python is object oriented, and very structrued.
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> C can be total chaos at times. ;P
[11:28] <lapt0p> Oh, since its OO, its cool :D
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> http://www.learnpython.org/
[11:28] <lapt0p> I mean, neat ;)
[11:28] <Shal> hmm seems classic mode doesn't even have systems
[11:28] <bazhang> !ot | lapt0p
[11:28] <Shal> What the hell, I guess they decided to hide all the systems stuff on us
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> I come from an age befor there was 'OO' so the whole OO concept is a bit over my head, and needs. but a lot of ubuntu support tools, apps, and interfaces use python
[11:29] <Shal> Doing a windows on us and treating us like we can't be trusted to access our own ssytems
[11:29] <bazhang> Shal, please take the running commentary to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:30] <lapt0p> Sorry about the offtopic, i just have to get used to the "rigor" :)
[11:31] <Shal> Well it's less about any running commentary and more to say, any other options for gnome 2 type setup while still keeping up to date?
[11:31] <[FreeBSD]> xfce is the most similar
[11:31] <[FreeBSD]> if you want the panels and gtk themeage
[11:31] <Jakey> [FreeBSD]: lol
[11:31] <Jakey> what are you doing in #ubuntu
[11:31] <[FreeBSD]> Jakey: what
[11:31] <[FreeBSD]> chatting
[11:32] <Jakey> k what about #freebsd
[11:32] <[FreeBSD]> what about it
[11:32] <Shal> FreeBSD But I need to know how to set up "systems" under XFCE then
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> gnome classic mode - dosent use a system menu item. the far right 'user name' icon has a system settings button
[11:32] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: what do you mean by "systems"
[11:32] <Jakey> anyway i think need to customise ubuntu and its power management i know jupiter is a good tool
[11:32] <Larz> Hello.
[11:32] <Jakey> i just want to optimize my system or monitor the usage
[11:32] <randy__> hello
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> click on name at top right, (your name) and select settings
[11:33] <Shal> I mean the menu tree systems, like in gnome 2, if you have used gnome 2 before, please think back
[11:33] <Larz> How can I install PaX? (I have AppArmor installed, but now I want to install PaX too.)
[11:33] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you need a custom kernel
[11:33] <[FreeBSD]> with the grsec patchset
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> theres a system-settings item under the applications menu here also.
[11:33] <Larz> [FreeBSD]: what?
[11:33] <Larz> [FreeBSD]: I use the 3.2.0 kernel.
[11:33] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: pax is in the kernel
[11:33] <[FreeBSD]> not a program
[11:33] <Larz> [FreeBSD]: I see.
[11:33] <Larz> [FreeBSD]: How can I check if I have PaX installed?
[11:34] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you wont have if you're running the ubuntu kernel
[11:34] <bekks> Larz: You would know if you would have installed it, since its not in the ubuntu kernel.
[11:34] <[FreeBSD]> not sure if theres a ppa with a grsc enabled kernel or not
[11:34] <Shal> [FreeBSD],  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gnome2.30.0.png top left corner
[11:34] <Larz> bekks: How can I check it out though.
[11:34] <[FreeBSD]> you're probbaly better off patching a vanilla kernel and customizing the settings
[11:34] <bekks> Larz: Look at uname -a
[11:34] <Shal> after applications and places
[11:35] <Larz> Linux ubuntu 3.2.0-48-generic-pae #74-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 20:05:01 UTC 2013 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  and which gnome-2 thing are you using exactly?
[11:35] <Larz> bekks: well?
[11:35] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you can normally get away with nearly all the security settings on, but if you run nvidia binary drivers you will have to play with paxctl on a lot of stuff or disable some sec settings
[11:36] <bekks> Larz: If it shows an ubuntu kernel, you arent using pax.
[11:36] <Tex_Nick> Dr_Willis : may i PM you for a one line question ?
[11:36] <Shal> Dr_Willis, Sorry, I don't understand the question
[11:36] <jost_> Hi again. Installing NVIDIA drivers doesn't prevent my machine from freezing... (context: My machine freezes regularly, but only under Ubuntu. Windows 7 runs fine. There is nothing in the logs, and I'm using NVIDIA graphics drivers).
[11:36] <jost_> Ideas how to get to the bottom of this?
[11:36] <Larz> bekks: how can I setup pax on my current distro?
[11:36] <bekks> Larz: Recompile your own kernel.
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  theres several differnt gnome 2 look alikes out there. which one are you using? I got the gnome-shell classic mode going
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> Tex_Nick:  go for it. ;)
[11:36] <Larz> oh....
[11:37] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Grsecurity
[11:37] <Larz> does openbsd have pax installed by default?
[11:37] <[FreeBSD]> all you need to know is in there
[11:37] <Shal> Dr_Willis, I am referring to the systems in actual gnome 2. According to screenshot, "Systems" is missing altogether in classic mode, and is replaced by "documents"
[11:37] <[FreeBSD]> no it doesnt use it
[11:37] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: its for linux
[11:37] <Larz> then?
[11:37] <bekks> Larz: pax is linux-only. And you have to configure it manually.
[11:38] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: no point asking in here all you need to know is in that link i posted
[11:38] <Larz> Do you guys know of any linux distribution that has PaX and AppArmor enabled by default?
[11:38] <randy__> has anyone play
[11:38] <bekks> Larz: No.
[11:38] <Shal> Dr_Willis, So do you see applications places system, or applications places documents?
[11:38] <bekks> Larz: You have to enable it yourself.
[11:38] <randy__> has any one play dota2 on ubuntu?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  if you are refering to the gnome shell.  'classic mode' - yes  tere is No system settings menu item in the top panel. as i mentioned earlier - its in either the TOP RIGHT button/menu wher eyour users name is at. Or under the applications Menu -> 'system settings'
[11:38] <Larz> bekks: can I install/setup PaX on my current distro?
[11:38] <bekks> Larz: If you recompile your own kernel, sure.
[11:39] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you're not going to get far unless you research stuff, or youll end up trying to do this kernel and not having a clue why stuff isnt working or breaking
[11:39] <bekks> Larz: Please read the article given.
[11:39] <ikonia> Larz: look - enough, lets cut to the chase, you seem unable to grasp the simple instructions given to you in this channel - so don't do it
[11:39] <ikonia> Larz: the fact that you don't even know its part of the kernel suggests you shouldn't be doing it, so move on from this
[11:40] <Dan-E> how to I install adobe flash player for unity 13.04?
[11:40] <bekks> !flash | Dan-E
[11:40] <[FreeBSD]> flash isnt specific to unity
[11:40] <[FreeBSD]> o i guess you meant ubuntu
[11:41] <Shal> Dr_WiLlIs,  Would you please pull out that menu a few stages and take some screen shots so I can know what's in it
[11:41] <Dan-E> syntax please
[11:41] <bekks> Dan-E: Read the article.
[11:41] <Dan-E> thanks
[11:41] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: in a terminal try typing gnome-[tab] it might be called gnome-system-settings or similar
[11:41] <Shal> You don't mean the off, sleep, change users, options, right?
[11:42] <Shal> I'm not using gnome right now freebsd
[11:42] <[FreeBSD]> ok
[11:42] <Dr_WiLlIs> Shal:  it has all the items the 'system settings' has only layed out in a vertical menu. and in alphabetical order. instead of  grouped.
[11:42] <Shal> I am trying to determine what DE environment would be best for giving me a gnome 2 like experience
[11:43] <[FreeBSD]> xfce
[11:43] <[FreeBSD]> like i said
[11:43] <Dr_WiLlIs> power, priinters, display. mouse , sound,   and  so forth
[11:43] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: what is it about gnome2 you like?
[11:43] <Dr_WiLlIs> gnome-shells classic mode - is similer to gnome2 - but defainatly differnt - and has some enhance3d featured
[11:43] <[FreeBSD]> there are a lot of faster, simpler and easier DE's out there
[11:43] <Shal> I like my menu options spread out, and not nestled in
[11:44] <[FreeBSD]> what do you mean by that
[11:45] <Dr_WiLlIs> gnome-shell has extensive number of extensions, that can add most features you may want
[11:45] <Shal> I mean for example with xfce, there's one menu button, a blue circle with some strange white thing in the center, for everything, aside from the hidout options along the bottom which sort of annoy me
[11:45] <Dr_WiLlIs> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/
[11:45] <jost_> Shal: you can customize the XFCE panels
[11:45] <Shal> I want to be able to go into a menu tree for system stuff without having to to to a special options window
[11:46] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: still dont get what you mean
[11:46] <[FreeBSD]> lol
[11:46] <Shal> OK are you using xchat?
[11:47] <[FreeBSD]> most big des like xfce etc have a settings
[11:47] <[FreeBSD]> im not no
[11:47] <Shal> Ok let me get a screenshot for you then
[11:47] <Shal> or no, better yet a folder
[11:49] <Shal> When I open a folder under XFCE there are 5 menu trees along the top, though the last one doesn't really count. "file" "edit" "view" "go" "help"
[11:49] <[FreeBSD]> thats the file manager
[11:49] <Shal> Now imagine if that was all folded into one menu tree branch called file
[11:49] <Shal> yeah your missing the point
[11:49] <[FreeBSD]> they are standard buttons
[11:49] <Shal> thankyou captain obvious
[11:49] <[FreeBSD]> there are simpler ways to do things
[11:50] <Shal> You are still missing the point
[11:50] <bazhang> !attitude | sha
[11:50] <Dr_WiLlIs> !screenshot
[11:50] <shubb> I just joined Shal, what are you trying to do?
[11:50] <bazhang> Shal, ^
[11:50] <Shal> Well with XFCE, on desktop it IS all folded into one, that blue and white circle
[11:51] <Shal> trying to get gnome 2 like experience yet be up to date with ubuntu
[11:51] <jost_> Shal, you can build custom menus in XFCE
[11:51] <jost_> and add custom launchers
[11:51] <shubb> have you looked into Mate?
[11:51] <shubb> it's a moderngnome 2
[11:51] <ikonia> it's not modern
[11:52] <auronandace> shubb: mate isn't supported here
[11:52] <ikonia> it's a dead codebase that people are trying to keep alive
[11:52] <[FreeBSD]> i agree
[11:52] <[FreeBSD]> waste of time
[11:52] <Ben64> let gnome 2 die already
[11:52] <Shal> Well the other issue is, I want it to be layed out like gnome 2, that way if I come across a old guide, the navigation instructions can work
[11:52] <shubb> lol fair enough, gnome 3 is cool, but I think people can have the DE they want....
[11:52] <Ben64> Shal: why not use gnome-fallback or something like that?
[11:52] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: try openbox, panel like tint2, right click menu
[11:52] <bazhang> Shal, this is way offtopic now, lets move on
[11:52] <Shal> fallback does not have systems
[11:53] <Ben64> what is "systems"
[11:53] <Dr_WiLlIs> http://imagebin.org/270993  Gnome Shell _ Classic Mode - showing its menus.
[11:53] <imark> ikonia: Ben64: Mate is in active development, its far from dead.
[11:53] <ikonia> imark: the codebase is dead
[11:53] <Shal> bazhang, I don't know why you suddenly decided to pick on me, but I have not said anything with "attitude" or whatever
[11:53] <shubb> imark: I think it is more of a philosophical thing here
[11:53] <imark> ikonia: Mate is it's own codebase
[11:53] <Shal> and this isnt off topic, the topic is trying to figure out how to get the ubuntu experience I desire
[11:53] <ikonia> imark: it's not written from the ground up
[11:53] <bazhang> Shal, time to wrap up your shopping for a perfect DE
[11:53] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: what de are you using now?
[11:54] <Shal> Well right now I am using a live xfce 12.10
[11:54] <Shal> xubuntu
[11:54] <[FreeBSD]> ok, might be easier to post a screenshot of the problem
[11:54] <[FreeBSD]> whats bothering you
[11:54] <imark> ikonia: Doesn't matter, its a free standing project now with active development, it's not depending on any other projects to keep it alive
[11:54] <k2__> Hello all, anyone have any expirience setting a speech recognition software like dragon on 12.04 i tried julius and simon with no luck so far
[11:54] <[FreeBSD]> as you can normally customize most stuff
[11:54] <Ben64> imark: it's dead, you can argue about it, but either way its unsupported here
[11:54] <ikonia> imark: the gnome2 code base is dead - applications are not designed for it, people can fork and maintain that all they want, but it's dead.
[11:55] <Shal> I can show you a screen shot of gnome 2
[11:55] <ikonia> Shal: we know what gnome2 looks like
[11:55] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: post screenshot of the thing thats bothering you
[11:55] <shubb> k2__: not me, but I'd be really interested to hear when you do get something working (been thinking about doing it)
[11:55] <Timvde> Is there a way to either a) change the current terminal profile or b) close a terminal window (so I can open a new window with a new profile) from within a script?
[11:55] <auronandace> [FreeBSD]: i don't think he has a problem, he just wants xfce to be like gnome2 with a seperate system menu
[11:55] <Shal> Well Im not trying to get gnome 2, I got no specific loyalty to it, just set up like gnome 2
[11:55] <Shal> pretty much
[11:55] <Ben64> Shal: if you explained exactly what you want it would really help
[11:55] <Shal> and other things like it, but the system one seems to be trickiest
[11:55] <Shal> I keep trying ben
[11:56] <Ben64> no, you don't
[11:56] <Shal> not for a lack of effort
[11:56] <Jakey> Shal:  i just remove unity and install cinnamon
[11:56] <Shal> YEs, i have
[11:56] <k2__> ive been researching for days i hope i get it julius is so complicated
[11:56] <imark> Ben64: ikonia: Okay this is not the place, but because Gnome2 is dead does not make all of its forks dead too, as I say Mate is completely independent now. That's my last on that matter
[11:56] <Shal> Is cinnamon like gnome 2?
[11:56] <Larz> I have AppArmor Installed, but I am willing to secure my system more, I ran a paxtest and I am not impressed by the results, how can I make my results better and make my linux system kill those stuff? Here are my results: http://pastebin.com/qfupaSaq
[11:56] <Ben64> Shal: "the system one" "blue and white circle" ... how are we supposed to know what you're talking about?!
[11:56] <auronandace> Shal: cinnamon is a gnome3 fork that is meant to be like gnome2
[11:56]  * Dr_WiLlIs wondered if his screen shot was close enough to gnome2 ;)
[11:57] <Shal> you would if you use xubuntu, and I was talking to at least one person who said they were currently using it
[11:57] <bekks> Larz: Read more about pax, what it is, how it works, how to set it up.
[11:57] <Jakey> Shal: yes
[11:57] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: pax will help on that but like i said read the link on doing your own kernel, or find a ppa with a prebuilt one
[11:57] <Jakey> try it out
[11:57] <auronandace> Ben64: he means the menu button (blue circle with white mouse in it (xubuntu))
[11:57] <Larz> bekks: I don't want to install pax.
[11:57] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: stop asking then
[11:57] <bekks> Larz: Then why do you mess with it?
[11:57] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1871989   <----- how to make xfce look like gnome2 Shal read it
[11:57] <Shal> A mouse, is that what it is, then yeah, that
[11:57] <[FreeBSD]> pax helps prevent exploits, apparmor contains damage
[11:57] <Larz> I am just using paxtest to determine my level of security, are you stupid?
[11:57] <Larz> I am saying, how can I kill those things?
[11:58] <Larz> the ones saying "Vulnerable"
[11:58] <Larz> How can I make those functions, to Killed?
[11:58] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: by using an exploit prevention like "pax"
[11:58] <bekks> Larz: paxtest tests on pax functionality. You dont use pax, so it is useless.
[11:58] <Dr_WiLlIs> xubuntus mascot is a 'mouse' ;)
[11:58] <[FreeBSD]> bekks: its not useless
[11:58] <Dr_WiLlIs> well xfce's mascot is. xubuntu is a mouse in a blue ball.
[11:58] <[FreeBSD]> bekks: its still useful on a non pax system
[11:58] <[FreeBSD]> for info anyway
[11:58] <jost> Shal: you can add more menus like that, but you may remove/change that icon, replace it by a text, etc.
[11:59] <bekks> FloodBot1: The result will always be "vulnerable".
[11:59] <jost> isn't that sufficient to get what you want?
[11:59] <Larz> Executable anonymous mapping (mprotect)  : Vulnerable - Is there anyway to make this "killed"
[11:59] <Shal> Well the systems menu tree will be trickiest
[11:59] <Shal> I want it to be laid out the same
[11:59] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: by enabling pax and the "mprotect" option
[11:59] <bekks> Larz: Yes, by using pax.
[11:59] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you dont seem  to udnerstand
[12:00] <Dr_WiLlIs> shal this is close. but its under the applications menu. http://imagebin.org/270993  Gnome Shell _ Classic Mode - showing its menus.
[12:00] <Larz> Can I use PaX alongside AppArmor?
[12:00] <[FreeBSD]> yes
[12:00] <[FreeBSD]> as long as you dont enable rbac
[12:00] <Larz> RBAC?
[12:00] <[FreeBSD]> which is like apparmor but more powerful
[12:00] <bekks> Larz: resource based access control.
[12:00] <[FreeBSD]> its like apparmor but it profiles everything, read the link
[12:00] <jost> Shal: As far as I can tell from screenshots (haven't used gnome 2 in a long time), it should be not that hard to get XFCE to look like it
[12:00] <Shal> Dr_WiLlIs, not closer because it doesn't have a systems menu at all
[12:01] <bekks> *role, not resource.
[12:01] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: read the grsec link, its all in there
[12:01] <Dr_WiLlIs> Shal:  it has a MENU in the applications menu.
[12:01] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: as theres too mcuh to explain in here also its probably offtopic
[12:01] <Shal> I want it to be out of the applications menu then
[12:01] <Dr_WiLlIs> Shal:  and it can use all the gnome-shell extensions that can ad dother things to the top panel
[12:01] <Jakey> cinnamon looks way better than gnome or xfce
[12:01] <Larz> How can I setup a custom kernel and install PaX alongside AppArmor?
[12:01] <bekks> Larz: Read the link.
[12:01] <Shal> Can cinnamon be used in any ubuntu distro now?
[12:01] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: stop messing around
[12:01] <Dr_WiLlIs> Shal:  so find a gnome-shell extension  i guess. i dont see the point in worrying about a menu you might use 2 times a day
[12:01] <Larz> what was the link again?
[12:02] <[FreeBSD]> https://grsecurity.net/
[12:02] <[FreeBSD]> "Documentation"
[12:02] <auronandace> Shal: perhaps it is time to try to adapt your workflow to more modern desktop environments, honestly just try it for a little while
[12:02] <Shal> Jakey, Can cinnamon be used in any ubuntu distro now?
[12:03] <auronandace> Shal: cinnamon is available in the repos for 13.04
[12:03] <Dr_WiLlIs> cinnamin at one time could cause severe breakage in some ubuntu releases
[12:03] <Dr_WiLlIs> i wouldent suggest trying it in anythng other then 13.04+
[12:03] <Ben64> cinnamon is supported now
[12:03] <Shal> auronandace, The definition of modern seems to be hiding system settings because they don't trust us with them or something:p
[12:03] <Ben64> !info cinnamon
[12:03] <Dr_WiLlIs> moveing a menu to a diffnet submenu is not hideing it.
[12:03] <auronandace> Shal: no, the system settings are there, under settings
[12:03] <Shal> Well then mimicing windows then :p
[12:04] <Dr_WiLlIs> everything is  getting away from the huge bar of cluttered menus for a nested menu look.
[12:04] <Jakey> Shal: yes latest cinnamon on ubuntu 13.04
[12:04] <k2__> is 13.04 more stable than 12.04?
[12:04] <Jakey> i'm using it right now
[12:04] <Shal> with its giant singular menu
[12:04] <Dr_WiLlIs> k2__:  depends onyour hardware i imagine
[12:04] <Ben64> k2__: 12.04 is LTS, so i'll go with "no"
[12:04] <auronandace> Shal: and as has been pointed out to you several times there are toold that allow you to make your own menus under xfce if you so desire
[12:04] <randy__> both easy to use
[12:04] <Shal> nested menus may look better to some, but are more of a pain to use
[12:04] <Dr_WiLlIs> k2__:  if you have a laptop that came out after 12.04 and is very new - it might run better on a newer release.
[12:05] <k2__> ive never had issues with 12.04 i like it a lot compiled it from source from 8
[12:05] <bazhang> !brainstorm | Shal then file something
[12:05] <Jakey> Shal: http://askubuntu.com/questions/292394/how-to-completely-remove-unity-and-replace-it-with-cinnamon
[12:05] <Jakey> Shal: where are you from btw
[12:05] <Jakey> Shal: india?
[12:05] <Dr_WiLlIs> is brainstorm even still up? ;)
[12:05] <k2__> i have a desktop ive done about 15 ubuntu installs and one fedora im working on android ubuntu atm
[12:06] <Jakey> is there an article what ubuntu improve/change debians distro that makes it diff\?
[12:06] <Jakey> i like to know
[12:07] <randy__> i wanna ask a question
[12:08] <jost> randy__: do it.
[12:08] <randy__> dota2 runs bad on ubuntu
[12:09] <randy__> i 'v installed the latest intel
[12:09] <auronandace> randy__: that is a statement, not a question
[12:09] <randy__> driver on ubuntu
[12:09] <bekks> randy__: Intel what? CPU, grahics driver, wireless chipset?
[12:09] <Shal> I was trying to adjust xfce earlier and this happened http://i.imgur.com/7z1lKX8.png?1 a big open space on the right that I can't seem to do anything with, on the bar
[12:10] <randy__>  grahics driver
[12:10] <Shal> how do I fix this/get ride of this unusable space?
[12:10] <Dr_WiLlIs> the xfce panel has 'spacer' items you can remove/move
[12:10] <auronandace> Shal:  insert a seperator
[12:10] <jost> Shal: add a "separator"-item, and check the "expand" checkbox in its settings
[12:10] <bekks> randy__: And whats your question then?
[12:11] <Dr_WiLlIs> i wonder if any of the docks in the repos have a gnome-2 look to them.
[12:11] <Dr_WiLlIs> !dock
[12:11] <Dr_WiLlIs> well bbl.
[12:11] <randy__> in dota2 trees and some hero cant see,and game quit automaticly after play a while or after loading game
[12:12] <k2__> using opengl?
[12:12] <randy__> yes
[12:13] <Shal> jost, auronandace I found the separator add, but when I clicked to add it, it put a moving red dotted line around the task bar, and didn't seem to add in or anything, and I don't see any "settings" to to expand for it
[12:14] <k2__> i had that problem on WoW and any game really all i did was get the driver for 3d acceleration
[12:14] <k2__> before i did that i would get gpu lockup
[12:14] <randy__> what's the last word mean
[12:15] <k2__> GeForce 6150 LE/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[12:16] <k2__> and i have an Ati radeon graphics card
[12:16] <auronandace> randy__: a lockup for a graphics card means it froze
[12:16] <randy__> intel driver include mesa the 3D lib
[12:16] <randy__> ty
[12:17] <k2__> intel drivers are unreliable to say the least
[12:17] <Ben64> what? intel has some of the best drivers for linux for quite a while
[12:17] <Shal> hello?
[12:17] <randy__> my graphics card is intel HD4000
[12:17] <Shal> jost, auronandace I found the separator add, but when I clicked to add it, it put a moving red dotted line around the task bar, and didn't seem to add in or anything, and I don't see any "settings" to to expand for it
[12:18] <k2__> just in my expiriencei had more trouble getting them to work
[12:18] <k2__> without bugs
[12:20] <auronandace> Shal: once you added it right click the separator and you'll find the settings (when you add items to a panel they will normally be put at the end, move it to where you want it)
[12:21] <Shal> I don't see any separator to click, though I don't even know what/if I added
[12:21] <auronandace> Shal: it is a thin vertical line
[12:22] <randy__> after some google work i  update mesa to 9.2 then i can see tress and heros ,but game auto quit almost every load in .before this i can play a while .....
[12:22] <Shal> I only see the moving red dotted line around the outside of the panel auronandace
[12:23] <auronandace> Shal: or just open up the panel settings and you can do it all from there
[12:23] <auronandace> Shal: the red outline shows the currently selected panel
[12:23] <Shal> Welll Im looking, still not seeing a way to fix this space on the right
[12:24] <A1Recon> Ubuntu is frozen..... I was taking some backup...Any ideas how I can get it back to normal....?
[12:24] <A1Recon> Around 250 GB of data....
[12:24] <bazhang> !details | A1Recon
[12:25] <randy__> i have a problem with dota2
[12:25] <A1Recon> I am running Ubuntu 13.04 and the system froze when I was taking a backup of 250 GB from my internal to my external HDD...
[12:26] <A1Recon> Any way that I can kill some processes?
[12:27] <bazhang> A1Recon, copying how? rsync? sbackup? other?
[12:27] <bazhang> randy__, how did you upgrade mesa to 9.2 exactly, and where did you get the intel drivers from
[12:27] <A1Recon> Bazhang just copy and paste....
[12:28] <bazhang> A1Recon, thats not going to work
[12:28] <A1Recon> Bazhang it was working .... now its hung up...
[12:29] <bazhang> A1Recon, that doesnt sound like "works" if it stopped
[12:29] <bazhang> A1Recon, what were you copy and pasting
[12:30] <A1Recon> Bazhang... how do I get the system back into my control.....
[12:30] <randy__> i get intel driver form this site https://01.org/linuxgraphics/
[12:30] <bekks> randy__: Thats not an intel website.
[12:31] <A1Recon> Bazhang I was taking a backup of some media and doc files...
[12:31] <bazhang> A1Recon, were you doing a system backup?
[12:31] <randy__> it's intel open source
[12:31] <bazhang> randy__, how did you upgrade mesa
[12:31] <bekks> randy__: Thats not an intel website.
[12:32] <bazhang> A1Recon, what are the FS in the two hdd
[12:33] <A1Recon> Yes system backup and NTFS in both....
[12:33] <A1Recon> Bazhang^
[12:33] <randy__> i dont remeber the detail ,i download a file form mesa git issue,someone provide a version of mesa
[12:34] <bazhang> A1Recon, how is this ubuntu related if both are ntfs
[12:34] <bazhang> A1Recon, are you using wubi?
[12:34] <randy__> bekks,i am not sure,it's intel web site or not
[12:34] <bazhang> randy__, likely your "fixes" caused more harm than good
[12:36] <A1Recon> Bazhang 2 internal HDDs and one external HDD. One internal and one external is NTFS.
[12:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:38] <randy__> yes bazhang,i'v searched every corner in the net
[12:38] <A1Recon> Bazhang I am running it in Ubuntu 13.04 now.... and the system is hung up. Can you just tell me how to get it back into control......
[12:39] <lola> hola
[12:40] <A1Recon> Bazhang...... how do I get the system back...
[12:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> Are the release / image signing keys' fingerprints posted on the wiki or some other https page?
[12:41] <emen> join #apache
[12:41] <A1Recon> Can I switch off the system as in pull the plug....
[12:43] <A1Recon> Bazhang can I switch off the system as in restart but using the switch on the cabinet....
[12:46] <A1Recon> Anyone here.....
[12:47] <bekks> A1Recon: /names shows a large list.
[12:50] <dampjam> Is there a way to disable discover on install?  Whenever it tries to load up a bunch of drivers on my MacbookAir6,2 it's crashing the kernel
[12:51] <bekks> dampjam: Without discovering, it found know where to install.
[12:53] <DarkShadow> snql
[12:54] <DarkShadow> cristian
[12:54] <DarkShadow> develop
[12:54] <dampjam> I just want to avoid it from loading wifi or network dirvers
[12:54] <DarkShadow> dampjam
[12:55] <dampjam> DarkShadow
[12:55] <DarkShadow> surferboy
[12:55] <DarkShadow> yes sampjam
[12:55] <Shal> Someone posted a link earlier for convering xfce to gnome 2 like, but I can't seem to find it
[12:57] <Jakey> there is no such thing as a free lunch
[12:57] <Jakey> even for FOSS
[12:57] <Jakey> or opensource or linux
[12:57] <Jakey> its not free someone has to pay
[12:57] <Jakey> so why its diff than MS
[12:57] <Jakey> none
[12:58] <UserError> Jakey
[12:58] <UserError> Do restaurants grow food?
[12:58] <DarkShadow> why to reject
[12:58] <UserError> Someone has to pay.
[12:58] <DarkShadow> mo@userERRoR
[12:59] <aantoon> hi, i am trying to install a brother dcp165c printer. installed cups and drivers. all seems to be working but it will still not print. printer is recognized by ubuntu 12.04 just fine (as far as i can tell) but still not printing. what can i do? if i try to print something i get "Processing - "Waiting for printer to become available." do i have to blacklist usblp? Google is no help at all :(
[13:02] <Jakey> UserError: still
[13:02] <Jakey> UserError: customers has to pay
[13:02] <Jakey> UserError: irrevelant
[13:02] <UserError> Yes, my model and example were perfect.
[13:02] <Jakey> no its not
[13:02] <UserError> It is called the service industry
[13:02] <UserError> Which is exactly what OS companies do
[13:03] <UserError> they code to their own service propagation
[13:03] <UserError> You asked a question and told me the answer was wrong
[13:03] <Jakey> its the same thing ms doing
[13:03] <UserError> That is a logical fallacy
[13:03] <UserError> affirming the disjunct
[13:03] <Jakey> who would be doing this huge project for free
[13:03] <UserError> They aren't
[13:03] <UserError> If you know anything about OSS you know they get paid by service contracts and funding from companies that don't want to
[13:04] <BluesKaj> !ot
[13:04] <Jakey> BluesKaj: yeah i just don't know where else to rant this
[13:05] <Jakey> i see the flaw in this free software opensource stuff
[13:05] <UserError> A little bit of knowledge is poison
[13:05] <Jakey> ppl think they are using the stuff for free but actually they aren't
[13:05] <UserError> come to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:08] <gregor3005> hi, i try to build a little server which has nfs shares for the home folder and the users should login to the server like m$ active directory, it should also be possible to set folder rights for the users from the ldap directory. which software are preferred for this?
[13:09] <gregor3005> aso additional feature later i will combine this with my radius server for wifi. currently i use only the raduis users file
[13:10] <gregor3005> when it is finished it will be the new server for the firefighters in my town :-)
[13:10] <Shal> in xfce for panel, what do system settings look like/where are they?
[13:10] <gregor3005> sry wrong channel
[13:17] <letalis> hey guys i was curious if the addon for screen (or perhaps it was another screenlike program) is still in ubuntu that would give you a status bar with a clock and wifi status and things like that. im having trouble finding it in 13.04
[13:18] <letalis> anyone know if its still around it was pretty useful
[13:22] <evilpoptart> hi - i have an ubuntu 12.04 install that's using 3 primary partitions (sda1-3 for boot, root, swap) and I want to move /boot onto / without reinstalling.  From a rescue CD can I create a new /boot directory in the / partition with the same contents as the separate partition, redo /etc/fstab, run grub-install and still be good to go?
[13:27] <unknown101> i have downloaded nvidia geforce 9800 gt from nvidia's official site the downloaded file is caled NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-319.49.run how i install it?
[13:28] <letalis> evilpoptart: as long as boot is not setup to actually be where it looks for the kernel, i dont see any reason why you couldnt do that.
[13:29] <unknown101> i have downloaded nvidia geforce 9800 gt from nvidia'sofficial site the downloaded file is calledNVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-319.49.run how i install it?
[13:30] <jrib> !nvidia | unknown101
[13:30] <zykotick9> unknown101: is there not a 314 version in ubuntu?
[13:31] <unknown101> okay
[13:32] <unknown101> !system]
[13:32] <unknown101> !system
[13:32] <unknown101> where i can find system...Sorry new here
[13:33] <jrib> unknown101: I don't know in unity, but run the "jockey-gtk" command
[13:33] <rickyrayjay> had an issue with monitor, possibly a resolution setting that didnt revert to original? i connected NETBOOK (low resolution) to HDTV and used "display" in menu to set up options. chose the highest resolution for TV. Then, before disconnecting, chose option to "don't use TV display" and yes to use netbook display, but i never physically chose the lower resolution for netbook. when i rebooted this morning, FF widow and File Browser windows are overlayed
[13:33] <rickyrayjay>  off the screen and i have no control of moving them. they covered menu button as well. and mouse cursor would display a black X in areas that should allow a resize...
[13:33] <jrib> unknown101: actually, isn't it a tab in "software sources" now?  Check there
[13:33] <bwayne> letalis: something like this? it's based upon screen, but more easily configurable. it used to be named screen-profiles. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Byobu
[13:34] <rickyrayjay> sorry for the book here, but just wanted to cover the details  and hope for someone with a solution
[13:36] <rickyrayjay> only thing i can figure is that i did not physically chose the lower resolution when disconnecting from HDTV. is there a way to change screen resolution in boot setup? or someone have the commands thru terminal if i can somehow get it to open? (im new with commands, i know a few, but no idea on resolution settings
[13:36] <paul_> hi everyone
[13:36] <letalis> bwayne: thanks man i knew it was something else and i thought it was awesoem when i was just using the terminal because of the hud it gave me.
[13:37] <paul_> is there anyone who can help me with the ubuntu installation on a lenovo with win 8? I get grub-install fatal error
[13:37] <bwayne> letalis: screen's pretty nice.  i prefer tmux nowadays. it'd be interesting to get all of those status bar featuring in tmux like that.
[13:38] <rickyrayjay> paul_: newer hardware needs to have "secure boot" disabled under "setup" on boot
[13:38] <zykotick9> bwayne: i have load and time/date in my tmux "status bar"...  no wifi (network) though :(
[13:39] <paul_> i did , also tried with legacy option
[13:39] <paul_> but then everything leads to the error
[13:39] <bwayne> zykotick9: right now i just have hostname, date, and time. pretty bland. but i'm usually using the terminal within a WM which has all of that stuff anyway.
[13:40] <rickyrayjay> paul_ im kinda new at this so dont know much else besides google, or trying diff setups/settings/options on boot setup
[13:40] <letalis> exit
[13:40] <paul_> i read about the installation procedure
[13:41] <gordonjcp> paul_: are you installing to the correct drive, first?
[13:42] <paul_> it said to create a /boot partition of 250 MB , i created one and i set boot loader to the one just created (which is not sda, but a different one ) , could it be this the problem?
[13:42] <fanshawe> Hello everyone. I was wondering if there are any differences between the Sun and OpenJDK Java installations available for Ubuntu. I'm mainly looking to just run a game called Minecraft. Is there a particular set of packages I should go with? Ideally I'm looking for the most conservative with space.
[13:42] <paul_> i don 't know, that s why i am asking
[13:43] <gordonjcp> the boot loader should go on /dev/sda
[13:43] <gordonjcp> at least, assuming you are installing to /dev/sda
[13:44] <paul_> i read not to since it would override the windows boot loader
[13:44] <paul_> on the guidelines
[13:44] <guest-YR3YGr> It seems like i did something wrong. lapt0p here, just logged in from a Guest Account. I wanted to open a GUI interface from the command line, i wrote "startx", after choosing a certain path and after that a black screen appeared. I rebooted, and i now can't login to my account, even if i provide the correct password, it just blinks a black screen and it's taking me to the login screen again. I can only login with a guest account. How am i able to
[13:44] <guest-YR3YGr> fix this? Thanks in advance.
[13:44] <paul_> there was the procedure to create a new boot partition and set the bootloader to this new partition
[13:44] <gordonjcp> paul_: but then you add Windows to the GRUB bootloader
[13:45] <gordonjcp> paul_: or something, it's been a couple of decades since I last had to install Windows
[13:45] <paul_> and then use the easy bsd tool
[13:45] <paul_> the problem is with uefi
[13:45] <paul_> i think
[13:46] <paul_> i would like to keep both win  8 and ubuntu for now
[13:47] <zykotick9> fanshawe: if i where you, i'd research if minecraft runs properly in openjava (i'm guessing it might not, but no personal experience).
[13:47] <l01> paul_: what is the error message? if you install grub from the terminal by chrooting, what is the error message?
[13:47] <paul_> i did not try chrooting
[13:47] <paul_> i am installing from usb flash
[13:47] <paul_> then it goes to the fatal error while installing
[13:48] <paul_> should i try chrooting as i get to the kubuntu installation screen
[13:48] <paul_> ?
[13:48] <l01> Well, try it, and give us the exact error message
[13:48] <l01> since "fatal error" is not much descriptive
[13:48] <paul_> i know
[13:49] <paul_> i ll try, need 10 mins
[13:49] <fanshawe> zykotick9: From what I can find, OpenJDK seems to work well enough with Minecraft. If its the smaller option (space-wise) I think I'll go with that. I just thought I'd check first.
[13:51] <seventhsamuari> Optical Mouse Question: I have Logitech wireless mouse that works perfect when my laptop is connected to a power source but as soon as I disconnect it the mouse will lag after not touching it for a few seconds. Any idea why this happens? I have checked my power setting but I haven't found anything. I could't find anything online either.
[13:52] <zykotick9> fanshawe: i doubt there is much difference in size between the two.  BUT, i'd guess that the JDK is a lot bigger then the JRE, if space is that limited for you...
[13:52] <kota[Kat]> this one has me confuzzled: laptop w/ Intel graphics, ubuntu 12.04 LTS, graphics worked fine in the USB live install, but after reboot, black screen? :|
[13:52] <fanshawe> zykotick9: Thank you. If there's a way to install only the runtime environment, I'd be really grateful, but I'm not sure how.
[13:53] <zykotick9> fanshawe: sorry, i personally avoid java.  but see "/msg ubottu java" for some details.  good luck.
[13:57] <fanshawe> A new question then: When I follow the link to install the Open JDK runtime environment (from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java), my browser asks me to select an application to open the package. Where should I navigate to/what should I choose?
[13:58] <nikolai__> java is useless crap:)
[13:58] <dumnut> hi, i just bought  a new lenovo with windows 8, i waant to install ubuntu 12.04. but microsoft is really monopolistic and will not let me boot from dvd drive. i looked at forums posts pressing del f2 f12 but none works, help please?
[13:59] <nikolai__> dumnut, you should have made the dvd bootable
[13:59] <nikolai__> dumnut, make sure you burn it with software that specializes in burning .iso files
[14:00] <nikolai__> dumnut, not the standard buring tools
[14:00] <seventhsamuari> isn't there a a key you can hold down to force the boot from cd?
[14:00] <nikolai__> that doesnt work if you didnt burn it properlty
[14:00] <nikolai__> properly
[14:01] <dumnut> nikolai__: hmm, i will get software buring iso files, thank-you for the tip
[14:01] <seventhsamuari> Optical Mouse Question: I have Logitech wireless mouse that works perfect when my laptop is connected to a power source but as soon as I disconnect it the mouse will lag after not touching it for a few seconds. Any idea why this happens? I have checked my power setting but I haven't found anything. I could't find anything online either.
[14:01] <zykotick9> nikola: ahhh, burning software that can't to ISOs properly?  does that even exist (in gnu/linux, i might believe it in windows).
[14:01] <lapt0p> Can someone tell me, what kind of graphics card drivers come pre-installed with Lubuntu? Are they generic drivers, or Lubuntu is "smart" to detect your graphics card and find drivers for that particular model?
[14:02] <l01> fanshawe: it should open the Ubuntu Software Center
[14:03] <zykotick9> lapt0p: xorg comes with probably hundreds of graphics drivers out of the box?
[14:03] <lapt0p> seventhsamurai: What is the working frequency of the mouse? Is it in the 2.4 GHz range or 5 GHz?
[14:03] <fanshawe> l01: Unfortunately it doesn't. It asks me what application I'd like to use to open 'apt links'. Is there any way I can choose Ubuntu Software Centre?
[14:03] <l01> fanshawe: if it doesn't, open manually USC and type the package name at the top right
[14:04] <fanshawe> Thank you, I'll try that
[14:04] <l01> by "manually" I mean by means of the system's Applications menu
[14:04] <seventhsamuari> 2.4
[14:05] <unknown101> how can i install the nvidia drivers i just downloaded?
[14:05] <unknown101> I am running ubuntu 13.04
[14:05] <zykotick9> unknown101: it's a bad idea to use nvidia.com's driver actually...  using the ubuntu version would be WAY better.
[14:06] <lapt0p> zykotick9: Thanks, i am asking this because some pictures used to appear more clear on Windows 7, compared to Lubuntu..
[14:06] <unknown101> well how can i download ubuntu version drivers?
[14:06] <lapt0p> seventhsamurai: It may interfere with wireless routers which are placed near your wireless mouse station
[14:07] <lapt0p> seventhsamurai:Not the case if your Wi-Fi routers are in the 5 GHz range.
[14:08] <zykotick9> unknown101: have you tried nvidia-current (304), is there a reason to require 314?
[14:09] <unknown101> I have nvidia 9800 gtx and i want to install it'd drivers...I believe will work better
[14:12] <zykotick9> unknown101: there is an #nvidia channel that may be able to give you directions.  personally, i'd consider your ubuntu to be "broken" if you use nvidia.com's driver.  good luck, you might need it.
[14:13] <unknown101> This is why i sometimes hate ubuntu
[14:13] <Eduard_Munteanu> unknown101: don't install drivers from nvidia.com, use Ubuntu packages.
[14:13] <unknown101> how i can get them..?
[14:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> unknown101: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[14:15] <unknown101> how i can go to system->administration-->additional driver
[14:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> "Note: In newer version of Ubuntu, older graphic adapters may not be supported with the repositories provided driver." -- that's odd... there should be a legacy driver version
[14:16] <BluesKaj> unknown101,  software center > additional drivers
[14:17] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: i see nvidia-current is using 304, are there other versions listed in additional drivers?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> unknown101, usually the nvidia-current driver is correct for your card
[14:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> The GPU is a bit old though.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> zykotick9, I'm on 13.10 ,but i beleive the nvidia-313 driver should be available for 13.04
[14:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> Best Google for the release notes and check if it supports it.
[14:19] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: ya on 13.10 that would make sense ;)
[14:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> What's Canonical's relationship with / involvement in Ubuntu releases?
[14:27] <Eduard_Munteanu> Do they sign releases in any way?
[14:27] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: they are the company that owns the distro
[14:27] <ikonia> that is ths relationship
[14:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> ikonia: are releases signed by them, or is the free Ubuntu an entirely community-driven effort?
[14:28] <ikonia> what do you mean "signed by them"
[14:29] <ikonia> they run the company that owns it and distributes it
[14:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> ikonia: hashes are GPG signed, I wonder who owns that key.
[14:29] <tertu> canonical
[14:29] <tertu> probably
[14:29] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: that will be signed from the tin that canonical own/run
[14:30] <paul_> ok
[14:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah, I see.
[14:30] <paul_> i got the grub-install error
[14:30] <paul_> what should i do now?
[14:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> Any chance I could find a fingerprint on the wiki, a secured page like the MD5SUMS one?
[14:31] <l01> paul_: what is the exact error message string?
[14:31] <paul_> how do i get the full string?
[14:31] <l01> Eduard_Munteanu: apt-key list
[14:31] <l01> Eduard_Munteanu: man apt-key
[14:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> l01: I don't have Ubuntu installed
[14:32]  * Eduard_Munteanu looks up the Canonical website
[14:32] <l01> paul_: you tried the chroot way in a terminal, right?
[14:33] <paul_> not yet
[14:33] <paul_> can you help me out a little more
[14:33] <l01> paul_: ok, do you see an error message box?
[14:33] <paul_> i just got one where it said
[14:34] <paul_> file a report with ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[14:34] <paul_> then i got the screen
[14:36] <l01> paul_: please either use the terminal way so that you have a meaningful error message that we can use to detect the prolbem, or try another way at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Fixing_a_Broken_System
[14:36] <l01> the chroot is described in detail here http://askubuntu.com/a/88432
[14:36] <l01> alternatively there's boot-repair which is graphical, but personally I've never used it so I can't help
[14:37] <paul_> i typed the ubuntu-bug command and got a screen with data
[14:38] <paul_> should i look for something specific?
[14:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> Nothing on Canonical's website, and it doesn't seem to support https either.
[14:39] <EchoDev> Hi, I want to run an application without sudo but it requires a shared library
[14:39] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: you keep going on about this, what do you want us to do about it ?
[14:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> I personally don't get the point of signing stuff if you're hiding keys in a package.
[14:39] <EchoDev> Any way to fix this? I already copied the file to the same oflder but no luck
[14:40] <l01> EchoDev: program name and library name?
[14:40] <l01> EchoDev: why do you want to run it without sudo? what's the problem you're trying to solve?
[14:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> ikonia: I just said I couldn't find it on canonical.com, that's all
[14:40] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: and moaned again that it's not https
[14:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> And I was going to ask if I should rather mail Canonical or Ubuntu's web contact rather than waiting for that bug on the tracker to be answered.
[14:41] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: they work through the bug system,
[14:41] <fanshawe> The game's now working. Thank you #ubuntu.
[14:41] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: you could push the ticket at the web content if you feel it's appropriate
[14:41] <EchoDev> l01 libpcsclite.so.1 and a non public app
[14:42] <ikonia> (web contact, sorry)
[14:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yes, I do moan about https because it's unimaginably cheap. :)
[14:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ok.
[14:45] <zenko> Hello
[14:45] <thezanke> o7
[14:46] <paul_> trying chroot procedure  - the "main partition" is the root  partition (mounted in  / )?
[14:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> paul_: can you rephrase that question? I'm not sure what you're doing.
[14:47] <the_roots> i have a question.  i have a dual boot laptop.  win/ubuntu can i install a thied/
[14:47] <the_roots> third
[14:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> the_roots: sure
[14:48] <the_roots> just do the usb boot and it will create another partition/
[14:48] <paul_> in the guide there is "determine the partition of your main partition" - does that mean the root partition mounted in / ?
[14:48] <orangepnut> I'm fairly new to linux and am having a graphics issue.  Before install the 'additional drivers' my resolution was fine but afterwards my highest res is now no where near where it should be.  I've used google and tried multiple fixes but nothing seems to work.  The system details shows 'unknown graphics' but the nvidia x server settings shows my card.  Any ideas?
[14:48] <the_roots> or should i create the part before hand
[14:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> the_roots: if you have spare, unpartitioned space. Mind it will probably try to install the bootloader over the existing one.
[14:49] <l01> paul_: yes
[14:49] <paul_> ok
[14:49] <the_roots> i will create  a blind partition and give it a try
[14:50] <Walex> orangepnut: the nVidia settings utility should allow you to change the pixel sises.
[14:51] <Walex> orangepnut: also try 'xauth' or one of its many graphical frontends.
[14:51] <orangepnut> Walex: the highest resolution in the nvidia utility is the same, no where near where it should be
[14:51] <Walex> orangepnut: or it could be that your card is not supported by the nVidia driver version you ha e installed
[14:52] <Walex> orangepnut: check carefully the resolutions and drivers listed in '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[14:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> orangepnut: did you generate an xorg.conf? Look at the Monitor section and check hsync/vsync frequency ranges.
[14:54] <Timvde> Is there a way to either a) change the current terminal profile or b) close a terminal window (so I can open a new window with a new profile) from within a script?
[14:54] <Naphatul> can anyone reccomend something other than dejadup for backups? it lacks options a bit
[14:55] <zykotick9> Walex: xauth?  did you mean xrandr?
[14:55] <Walex> zykotick9: ah yes...
[14:55] <orangepnut> Walex: I see this which displays my correct resloution: Virtual screen size determined to be 1920 x 1080
[14:56] <Walex> orangepnut: that's virtual, what about the driver and physical resolutions?
[14:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> Timvde: what do you mean by "profile"?
[14:57] <orangepnut> Walex: Setting mode "HDMI-0: nvidia-auto-select @1024x768 +0+0"
[14:57] <Timvde> Eduard_Munteanu: gnome-terminal has different profiles (for colours, fonts...)
[14:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah.
[14:58] <Walex> orangepnut: yes, but you should also have a large list of modes that have been probed.
[14:59] <Timvde> Eduard_Munteanu: Well, what I *actually* want, is my terminal to have a different colour based on hostname, but the closest I could get so far is scripting an ssh command that'll open a new terminal with the selected profile
[15:00] <Timvde> It's just a tad annoying that it also leaves open the old terminal window
[15:00] <zykotick9> Timvde: i have the hostname configured in different colours in my .bashrc on each box (handy for lots of mosh/ssh connections)
[15:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> Timvde: you could spawn a background job that reads a named pipe and you can tell it to log out.
[15:01] <Timvde> zykotick9: I know I can do that, but I'd prefer to have the terminal background to a different colour to, since I yesterday executed "init 1" as root on a production server :)
[15:01] <Timvde> s/to,/too,/
[15:01] <Eduard_Munteanu> I personally use xmonad and spawn an entire terminal window, and the ssh ones have are watermarked with a background image.
[15:02] <Timvde> Eduard_Munteanu: That'd be great :) What terminal emulator is that?
[15:02] <orangepnut> Walex: is there anything specific you want me to find?  Not to sure what I'm doing.
[15:02] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other
[15:02] <zykotick9> Timvde: ;) i sorta hear ya - i never use "init 1" myself, but i've renamed "shutdown" on my server to avoid the most dangerous thing to computing, human error.
[15:02] <Walex> orangepnut: why don't you post your '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' to the Ubuntu pastebin?
[15:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> Timvde: urxvt / rxvt-unicode, but you need to avoid invoking ssh manually
[15:03] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[15:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> Timvde: I have a keybinding configured to show a ssh prompt asking me for the target host, then that spawns the terminal
[15:03] <Timvde> zykotick9: Well, I wanted to locally fsck my /home... It was the first thing I could come up with
[15:04] <orangepnut> Walex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6110790/
[15:04] <Timvde> Eduard_Munteanu: Ah, I might give that a try too :) Thanks for the idea
[15:04] <paul_> I did chrooting, but still nothing
[15:05] <paul_> in step 6 i got "cat /boot/grub/video.lst  no file or dir"
[15:05] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[15:06] <Fuchs> don't move it there? Aside from that: could probably be scripted with devilspie.
[15:06] <zykotick9> Timvde: if you are use to gnome-terminal, urxvt will be a BIG change (but it is an amazing terminal for sure!).  i use ~/.Xdeaults-$YOURREALHOSTNAMEHERE to configure it BTW, it's non-trivial.
[15:06] <paul_> but i did not execute step 7. should i repeat the procedure and do step 7?
[15:08] <l01> paul_: yes, run step 7
[15:09] <paul_> ok
[15:09] <Walex> orangepnut: it is a bit peculiar because it looks like the driver and everything is good, but there is no probing for modes supported by the monitor.
[15:09] <UserError> Does anyone know of the minimal Xorg package list for a specific driver only?
[15:10] <UserError> it seems loading only the specific driver ends up pulling in full Xorg eventually
[15:10] <UserError> or is there a slim Xorg ppa
[15:10] <orangepnut> Walex: you have any ideas?
[15:10] <Walex> orangepnut: instead it does fall back to 'nvidia-auto-select', and there are several web pages about that being an issue
[15:10] <zykotick9> UserError: i don't think you can "trim" xorg very easily.  are you really that short on space?  best of luck.
[15:11] <UserError> Not short on space but it is for a specific platform
[15:11] <l01> UserError: apt-get install --no-install-recommends should exclude the Recommended packages. AFAIK there's no way to remove "dependencies"
[15:11] <UserError> where space matters
[15:11] <Walex> orangepnut: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.04/README/chapter-19.html
[15:11] <UserError> there are very few "recommends"
[15:11] <UserError> for xorg
[15:11] <UserError> that should be recommends
[15:12] <Walex> orangepnut: have you connected the monitor directly to the card or via some KVM or other switch?
[15:13] <orangepnut> Walex: directly to the card with and HDMI cable
[15:13] <l01> Investigate dependencies via apt-cache depends, and find alternative dependencies, they're marked with the pipe symbol at the beginning of the line
[15:13] <Walex> orangepnut: that's very strange because there was no EDID probing, and usually that does not happen if there is some intermediate thing that blocks it.
[15:14] <Walex> orangepnut: your best bet is to use 'nvidia-xconfig' as described, to create an Xorg configuration file with the modes that EDID apparently cannot find.
[15:14] <Walex> orangepnut: consider for example: http://askubuntu.com/questions/188060/force-video-mode-without-edid-information
[15:15] <paul_> at step 7 i got "embedding is not possible "
[15:15] <paul_> grub can only be installed in this setub by using blocklists. however blocklists are unreliable and their use is discouraged
[15:15] <Walex> orangepnut: this advice to use newer if less official drivers might help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/188060/force-video-mode-without-edid-information/188064#188064
[15:16] <paul_> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error : will not proceed with blocklists
[15:16] <columb> What's the easiest way to setup VPN on remote (ssh) ubuntu server for usage on android/ubuntu? PPTP? OpenVPN?
[15:17] <Walex> orangepnut: but you seem to have a very recent nVidia driver anyhow (304.88 from March 2013)
[15:17] <paul_> also "/usr/sbin/grub-setup warn: this GPT partition label has no bios boot partition - embedding won t be possible"
[15:17] <l01> paul_: do not grub-install /dev/sdXn, do grub-install /dev/sdX where X is a letter
[15:17] <[FreeBSD]> paul_: nmake a 1mb ef02 partition
[15:17] <l01> oh, wait - it's GPT? then I can't help
[15:17] <l01> I thought it was MBR, sorry
[15:18] <paul_> what should i do?
[15:18] <[FreeBSD]> paul_: make a 1MB partition on the disk of type EF02 so grub can use it
[15:18] <orangepnut> Walex: yeah, and I dont see why in the nvidia control it shows the resoltion being 1920x1080 but my only options are 1024x768 and lower
[15:18] <[FreeBSD]> you need it to boot from gpt
[15:18] <Walex> orangepnut: the virtual screen size is just a software thing.
[15:19] <paul_> can i do it in gparted?
[15:19] <[FreeBSD]> yes
[15:19] <ellipsis753> Hello. My Ubuntu server 12.04 is set to automatically update against security patches. However today my website broke with "Connection for controluser as defined in your configuration failed" error, presumably because of an update. This isn't good. Did I do something wrong or are automatic updates very hit-and-miss?
[15:19] <paul_> ok hold please
[15:20] <orangepnut> Walex: well under the native resolution in the nvidia control it shows the correct one
[15:20] <[FreeBSD]> paul_: in gparted the type is calle bios_grub
[15:20] <[FreeBSD]> or similar
[15:20] <Wiz_KeeD> Hello everyone!
[15:20] <Walex> orangepnut: that's peculiar because the log shows there was no EDID probing. Anyhow you can select it and ask it to generate a Xorg.conf for you.
[15:21] <orangepnut> Walex: and how exactly do I do that? and will it fix this issue?
[15:22] <Walex> orangepnut: have you tried 'nvidia-xconfig' with the suggested parameter?
[15:23] <paul_> cant find it
[15:23] <orangepnut> Walex: not sure how to do that
[15:24] <paul_> i mean it is not in the list unless it is shortened
[15:24] <[FreeBSD]> paul_: let me pm you
[15:24] <paul_> sure
[15:25] <Walex> orangepnut: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/alt-nvidia-current-xconfig.1.html might help
[15:26] <Walex> orangepnut: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2118501
[15:28] <karab44> anybody know about serious security issue in skype?
[15:30] <Wiz_KeeD> Could someone please help me fix my broadcom wireless driver so it can start showing the wireless networks when I boot? At the moment it's working very well except that fact that there are no networks show on boot and I have to connect manually
[15:30] <karab44> I was just talking with friend and some fake user poped up with one letter different and forced us into a group-chat to sniff conversation. I have screenshots
[15:30] <sabgenton> how to i find the size of the file system
[15:30] <sabgenton> (not the partition)
[15:31] <bekks> sabgenton: "df -h"
[15:31] <sabgenton> like in blocks
[15:31] <[FreeBSD]> df
[15:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: df -h should show it
[15:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: what blocks?
[15:31] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: df -h does not show blocks.
[15:31] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: File system blocks.
[15:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> Um, that's FS-specific.
[15:32] <[FreeBSD]> Eduard_Munteanu: the -h is human readable
[15:32] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: Thats why "df" shows them.
[15:32] <sabgenton> ext4
[15:32] <sabgenton> I rember using a tool
[15:32] <Karmahacker> Hi guys  anyone  know how to enable TUN/TAP module on OpenVz Ubuntu  vps
[15:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: try debugfs
[15:32] <sabgenton> sometool  /dev/sda1
[15:33] <bekks> sabgenton: That will evaluate the file partition size.
[15:33] <bekks> sabgenton: df shows you the filesystem blocks.
[15:33] <sabgenton> partiton?
[15:33] <sabgenton> or filesystem
[15:33] <Eduard_Munteanu> Why do you need blocks though?
[15:33] <sabgenton> fdisk -l shows the partion
[15:33] <bekks> sabgenton: df shows you the block sizes of the filesystem.
[15:34] <sabgenton> just been resizing hardrive with resize2fs
[15:35] <sabgenton> ok I guess df works
[15:35] <bekks> sabgenton: technically, you cant resize harddrives. You can only resize partitions/volumes and filesystems.
[15:35] <sabgenton> yes my bad
[15:35] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: resize2fs works with prefixes other than blocks too
[15:35] <sabgenton> heh
[15:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> s/prefixes/units/
[15:36] <sabgenton> bytes would have been fine too
[15:37] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: furthermore, if you enlarged the partition, you can just call resize2fs without specifying the new size, and it will extend out as much as it can.
[15:37] <sabgenton> yeah thats what i did
[15:38] <Guest76143> Does anyone know of any automatic time-tracking applications?
[15:38] <Hodapp> automatic time-tracking?
[15:38] <bekks> Guest76143: "Worklog" on iPhone. ;)
[15:38] <sabgenton> Eduard_Munteanu: is du dead accurate to the byte?
[15:38] <sabgenton> er I mean df
[15:38] <bekks> Guest76143: Otherwise, you need a full blown project management software.
[15:38] <Hodapp> sabgenton: well, it's giving you blocks, not bytes.
[15:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: that's also fs-specific :)
[15:39] <sabgenton> ext4
[15:39] <bekks> sabgenton: you can specify a desired blocksize for df.
[15:39] <sabgenton> if I covert the blocks to bytes
[15:39] <hipsterZues> Anybody know what the easiest way to add/remove vi features?
[15:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: if this is about the filesystem size then yeah, I think it is.
[15:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> I meant filesystems like btrfs can't give an accurate free space count.
[15:40] <bekks> sabgenton: Specify the desired blocksize, you do not need to convert it.
[15:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> hipsterZues: "features"?
[15:40] <sabgenton> Eduard_Munteanu: but btrfs would still give the fs boundary end
[15:40] <bekks> sabgenton: So does every other filesystem.
[15:40] <Guest76143> bekks: And what about applications simply logging the currently focused window's titles, and their duration? I would settle for that, but had difficulty finding any
[15:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yeah.
[15:41] <hipsterZues> Eduard_Munteanu: yes, like statusline, python, SQL, etc.
[15:41] <sabgenton> Eduard_Munteanu: that's all i want from df i mean
[15:41] <bekks> Guest76143: Havent found anything like that for the past years.
[15:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> On a related note it's a shame there are no FS that could work on variable-size block devices. Would be useful to have a compressed block device.
[15:41] <bekks> sabgenton: Then read "df --help" and specify the desired blocksize.
[15:42] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: ZFS provides transparent compression and deduplication.
[15:42] <[FreeBSD]> love zfs
[15:42] <[FreeBSD]> i use it for everything :)
[15:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> bekks: yeah, btrfs too, but in many ways generalizing that to ext4 and other filesystems would be great
[15:43] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: I'd just use ZFS ;)
[15:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> bekks: how's it working on Linux? I've been using btrfs for a few years already and it kept my data safe, but it's been slow as hell at some point.
[15:44] <[FreeBSD]> Eduard_Munteanu: works good on linux
[15:44] <[FreeBSD]> supports feature flags etc
[15:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> It isn't a FUSE driver, is it?
[15:44] <[FreeBSD]> no
[15:45] <[FreeBSD]> it hasnt been for ages
[15:45] <mackwerk_> Help! I've been a complete retard, I've modified /etc/passw and /etc/groups (I think that's what they're called) and now I cannot login to ubuntu, what can I do?
[15:45] <SchrodingersScat> !language | mackwerk_
[15:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> mackwerk_: boot to single mode and fix them
[15:46] <mackwerk_> Eduard_Munteanu: how do I do that?
[15:46] <Luyin> mackwerk: or boot from a live OS, so you don't need to use a second computer to check, search and ask things ;)
[15:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub  -- Google suggests that
[15:46] <mika__> salut
[15:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> mika__: hi
[15:47] <mika__> i'm french
[15:47] <mackwerk_> Eduard_Munteanu: Thanks, will give it a shot :)
[15:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> mika__: we have that greeting in Romanian too :)
[15:47] <mika__> i'm search tchat french
[15:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> That was a short visit.
[15:49] <tjj> Can anyone recommend a better chat client than xchat-gnome?
[15:49] <[FreeBSD]> weechat
[15:52] <A_J_> hey all. i'm trying to connect via ubuntu pc to a wired network through a router, it's not working exactly. please can someone give me some pointers
[15:55] <A_J_> anyone ?
[15:55] <[FreeBSD]> A_J_: connect to what
[15:55] <Luyin> !patience > A_J_
[15:56] <A_J_> [FreeBSD] my internet via a router
[15:56] <[FreeBSD]> how
[15:56] <[FreeBSD]> ssh?
[15:56] <[FreeBSD]> oh
[15:56] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other
[15:56] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other
[15:56] <A_J_> no normally. i mean i want internet on my linux pc
[15:56] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[15:56] <A_J_> oh god
[15:56] <[FreeBSD]> A_J_: is it dhcp>?
[15:56] <A_J_> yes [FreeBSD]
[15:57] <falematte> sry for the spam XD
[15:57] <Luyin> falematte: yes that is possible, depending a little on the DE you're using
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> A_J_: wireless>
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> ?
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> o you said wired
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> sorrt
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> y
[15:57] <A_J_> [FreeBSD] both wireless or wired. which ever works i'm happy
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> wired dhcp should work by default
[15:58] <A_J_> i know it used to. it's acting funny now.
[15:58] <A_J_> not sure if the OS or the network. i mean the light blinks on the lan port
[15:58] <A_J_> and ocassionally on the royter
[15:59] <sabgenton> bekks: I should have known about -B  I use it in du with --apparent-size
[15:59] <sabgenton> :)
[16:00] <A_J_> [FreeBSD] maybe you can help me set up the wireless ?
[16:00] <[FreeBSD]> i cant
[16:00] <A_J_> why not
[16:00] <[FreeBSD]> dont know much about wireless
[16:01] <A_J_> hmm okie any troubleshooting you can do on wired
[16:01] <A_J_> to check if my network is the fault, the pc or the os
[16:01] <A_J_> it works okie on windows 8
[16:01] <[FreeBSD]> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[16:01] <[FreeBSD]> i think thats the one
[16:02] <A_J_> reads auto lo
[16:02] <littlegirl> A_J_: Can you type cat /etc/network/interfaces in a terminal window in the computer you want to connect to the internet and paste the results into http://paste.ubuntu.com/ so we can see it?
[16:02] <crocket> I finally nailed ubuntu 13.04 configuration. http://wiki.technocrata.com/xwiki/bin/view/System+Settings/Ubuntu+13.04+Desktop
[16:02] <A_J_> iface lo inet loopback
[16:04] <dhyana> hi crocket
[16:04] <A_J_> littlegirl your free to help me in main. tell me what do i do now.
[16:04] <A_J_> cause i'm not sure what's wrong. but it's broken in unix that i'm sure
[16:05] <littlegirl> A_J_: Can you paste the results of cat /etc/network/interfaces in http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:05] <littlegirl> A_J_: Or was iface lo inet loopback the entire contents of the file?
[16:05] <A_J_> yes littlebe1r
[16:05] <A_J_> littlegirl*
[16:06] <hplc> does ubuntu support Thai in live cd session?
[16:06] <Maple__> yes
[16:06] <gabriel123> does ubuntu support SSD's?
[16:07] <Maple__> first screen ya see, choose the language
[16:07] <mmazing> A_J_, just curious, what localization is your keyboard using :) (girl->be1r)
[16:07] <A_J_> mmazing the standard US keyboard is what i use.
[16:07] <A_J_> with a ruppee symbol for some reason.
[16:08] <mmazing> gabriel123 - i'm running ubuntu on an ssd as we speak
[16:08] <gabriel123> has it ever froze on you?
[16:09] <OldTexas> mmazing, I jes bought one to do that.
[16:09] <littlegirl> A_J_: This is an example of a working /etc/network/interfaces file (please do not try to use it on your system - it's just an example): http://paste.ubuntu.com/6111044/
[16:09] <OldTexas> Seem any faster?
[16:09] <l01> it never froze on my ssd
[16:09] <mmazing> i've lost several SSD's
[16:09] <littlegirl> A_J_: What you want to do is to copy your /etc/network/interfaces file so that you can restore it if you need to before you make any changes.
[16:10] <mmazing> i wouldn't recommend them to anyone who needs reliability
[16:10] <gabriel123> mmazing: how?
[16:10] <mmazing> they just crapped out
[16:10] <gabriel123> oh
[16:10] <matanya> is it possible to run ubuntu on a tablet?
[16:10] <OldTexas> sO MIRROR TO A MECHANICAL DRIVE?
[16:10] <mmazing> you can install linux on a badger
[16:10] <OldTexas> oops
[16:10] <matanya> not alongside android
[16:10] <A_J_> littlegirl i'm using an auto config setup. don't want to try using a manual ip.
[16:11] <littlegirl> A_J_: Ah, okay, then I'm out. I only know how to do it manually. (:
[16:11] <gabriel123> well windows is running fine on my ssd but when i boot linux, it starts up fine but lkie 2 minutes kater it freezes
[16:12] <mmazing> OldTexas - i guess that would work, but it would probably cause performance issues that might offset the gains from an SSD
[16:12] <gabriel123> mmazing: what filesystem did u use??
[16:12] <mmazing> ext4
[16:12] <OldTexas> You guys are getting me depressed.  I just bought an SSD, haven't  even opened the box yet :(
[16:12] <A_J_> OldTexas it's a waste of money if your running unix on it
[16:12] <A_J_> imho
[16:13] <A_J_> littlegirl do you know anything about networking. i have a few questions
[16:13] <OldTexas> Guess I'll use it on my beta machine instead of my LTS machine then.  :(
[16:13] <gabriel123> so does anyone know what causes an I/O error to happen?
[16:14] <littlegirl> A_J_: I know some, so go for it. I'll see what I can do. (:
[16:14] <mmazing> gabriel123 - random io errors?
[16:14] <sabgenton> Eduard_Munteanu:   bekks:  for the record the command (ext4) is: tune2fs -l /dev/sda1|grep 'Block count'
[16:14] <sabgenton> and it's more accurate
[16:14] <gabriel123> yes
[16:14] <mmazing> probably a defective drive
[16:14] <A_J_> well littlegirl i've figured out that my network randomly drops. how do i troubleshoot this ?
[16:14] <gabriel123> but windows works fine
[16:15] <sabgenton> df -B4k /dev/sda1 was smaller
[16:15] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[16:15] <littlegirl> A_J_: The first thing I'd do is figure out what I'm doing each time it happens to see if I'm causing it somehow (either with a hardware thing like the computer going to sleep or the router having a bad cord and it getting bumped or something).
[16:15] <mmazing> gabriel123: hmmm, so probably not a hardware problem
[16:16] <gabriel123> yea its not that haha, i just got the drive 2 weeks ago
[16:16] <A_J_> littlegirl this pc was made to be a 24x7 online pc. so idk when it happens, although it's hampering my process.
[16:16] <A_J_> i'm guessing wires
[16:16] <mmazing> littlegirl: A_J_: yes, that JUST happened to me about 30 minutes ago, been troubleshooting network issues, and turned out it was because i was using Suspend instead of shutting the computer down
[16:17] <littlegirl> mmazing: Heh, I was actually just guessing that something like that could happen, but it's often the simplest things that cause trouble rather than all the intricate advanced setups. (:
[16:17] <mmazing> switched network cables, router, cable modem
[16:17] <A_J_> changing out the whole wired network is a pain. it's concelled for starters
[16:18] <littlegirl> A_J_: They also seem to have changed something in the network setup. It took us forever to figure out that you now have to have the dns-nameservers line in your /etc/network/interfaces if you want to connect to the internet via DHCP. As soon as we did that all was well, and we never had to do that before Kubuntu 13.04.
[16:19] <A_J_> hmm i'm on 12.XX
[16:19] <A_J_> i have a continuity tester maybe use that and check
[16:19] <A_J_> but the problem is it's a random drop.
[16:19] <A_J_> and goes away once a jiggle the cables
[16:21] <mmazing> gabriel123: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/the-hot-crazy-solid-state-drive-scale.html
[16:21] <gabriel123> mmazing: thanks! i will check it ouy right now
[16:22] <acidulous> hm, why do you guys use ubuntu and not debian?
[16:22] <A_J_> cause imho debain is more complicated to use acidulous
[16:22] <A_J_> and unix is complicated enough
[16:22] <Maple__> acidulous, I don't use Ubuntu :P
[16:22] <littlegirl> A_J_: If jiggling the cables fixes it every time you either need new cables or a new connector where the cable attaches. Unless (and this is the trouble with troubleshooting) your jiggling just happens to coincidentally happen at exactly the same moment that the actual culprit fixes itself for the moment, in which case your jiggling has nothing to do with it. (:
[16:22] <acidulous> A_J_: it's also botnet!
[16:23] <littlegirl> A_J_: Do you have another cable you can try?
[16:23] <mmazing> acidulous: why do you use debian instead of ubuntu?
[16:23] <A_J_> littlegirl it's a conceled network. so i guess i can't do that
[16:23] <acidulous> because it's not botnet
[16:24] <mmazing> acidulous: how is ubuntu a botnet?
[16:24] <acidulous> and sorry if i interrupted a support conversation here, i'm just trying to start a conversation.
[16:24] <acidulous> mmazing: do you know what a botnet is?
[16:24] <A_J_> naah acidulous you didnt
[16:24] <Maple__> acidulous, how about you? >.>
[16:24] <zykotick9> !ot
[16:25] <mmazing> ... i think i do, unless there is some other meaning that i am unaware of
[16:25] <acidulous> @ubuntu-offtopic
[16:25] <Guest72232> I know what a botnet is :P
[16:25] <Guest72232> I've actually owned/operated quite a few in my skid days
[16:25] <acidulous> i'm just going to give support here, since i used ubuntu previously for 2 years.
[16:26] <UserError> Nice to know guest, care to say more?
[16:26] <Guest72232> Sure
[16:26] <UserError> What year was this?
[16:26] <A_J_> acidulous tell me what should a noob user get if he switches
[16:26] <A_J_> in terms of better]
[16:26] <Guest72232> Eh maybe 2006-2009
[16:26] <acidulous> A_J_
[16:26] <acidulous> What?
[16:27] <acidulous> Oh
[16:27] <Guest72232> I have some screenshots of my previous nets if you guys wanna see :D
[16:27] <acidulous> Took a second read.
[16:27] <A_J_> switches from ubuntu to debain
[16:27] <gabriel123> mmazing: my drive is ok, like everyone is saying it is the drive, but it cant be because my windows installation is running perfectly
[16:27] <acidulous> He'll probably run into issues as it's a lot more complicated.
[16:27] <bazhang> !ot | acidulous A_J_
[16:27] <A_J_> okie bazhang.
[16:27] <acidulous> Alright, I was trying to get on topic, but got brought into another conversation.
[16:27] <acidulous>  /emd
[16:27] <acidulous>  /end*
[16:28] <Guest72232> Here is a screenie of one of my nets a while back if anyone is interested:
[16:28] <Guest72232> http://i.imgur.com/dOYLf.png
[16:28] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[16:29] <PrideAndSorrow> hi
[16:29] <A_J_> scary Guest72232
[16:30] <Guest72232> That was a Windows net I was running, here is my biggest Linux net: http://i.imgur.com/UNAt0.png
[16:30] <Guest72232> :D
[16:30] <Guest72232> But that's all behind me now :/
[16:30] <PrideAndSorrow> is this a help channel?
[16:30] <acidulous> PrideAndSorrow: Yes, it's a support channel.
[16:30] <unknown101> yy
[16:31] <acidulous> If you're looking for off-topic Ubuntu conversation, check out #ubuntu-offtopic.
[16:31] <mmazing> gabriel123: it could be a problem with the area of the drive that you have ubuntu installed on
[16:31] <PrideAndSorrow> i got this message
[16:31] <PrideAndSorrow> drfaustus@mhmdimstfa:~$ sudo sudo: /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so must be only be writable by owner sudo: fatal error, unable to load plugins
[16:32] <gabriel123> mmazing: i dont understand, what do u mean?
[16:32] <unknown101> pride wait for the other download to get finished so you can use that command
[16:32] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: did you recently manipulate permissions?
[16:32] <PrideAndSorrow> rhat can fix that?nope
[16:32] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: what?
[16:32] <PrideAndSorrow> nope
[16:32] <PrideAndSorrow> i havn't
[16:32] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: output of: ls -ld /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so
[16:33] <unknown101> is 13.04 the latest kubuntu version?
[16:33] <cowbacon> !13.10
[16:33] <PrideAndSorrow> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 259656 فبر 28  2013 /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so drfaustus@mhmdimstfa:~$
[16:33] <cowbacon> !13.10 | unknown101
[16:33] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: and you're sure you haven't run any chmod commands?
[16:33] <unknown101> ubottu i am talking about kubuntu
[16:34] <littlegirl> A_J_: This Bash script I use to check my internal and external IP might be of some use to you in troubleshooting. It will at least tell you if you have an external IP at any given time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6111139/
[16:34] <PrideAndSorrow> yep,pretty sure
[16:34] <cowbacon> !ot | unknown101
[16:34] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: are you the only admin with sudo privileges on this system?
[16:34] <littlegirl> A_J_: Also, please look up the commands I used either on the internet or in their man pages just so you know that they won't do anything malicious to your machine.
[16:34] <PrideAndSorrow> tea,i'm
[16:35] <PrideAndSorrow> yes,i'm the only admin
[16:35] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: what's the output of « ls -ld /usr/lib »?
[16:35] <unknown101> obunttu reply
[16:35] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[16:36] <unknown101> ubottu
[16:36] <unknown101> ubottu reply
[16:36] <DJones> !bot | unknown101
[16:36] <PrideAndSorrow> here, drwxrwxrwx 196 root root 36864 سبت 14 14:24 /usr/lib
[16:36] <jrib> unknown101: ubottu is a program/bot/robot/machine
[16:36] <bazhang> unknown101, its a bot
[16:36] <unknown101> ik i was trying to see something
[16:36] <unknown101> btw its very inteligent
[16:36] <bazhang> unknown101, use /msg
[16:37] <unknown101> for?
[16:37] <quick--> falematte: Please don't repeat the question. Someone will answer if they know about it.
[16:37] <jrib> unknown101: to investigate with ubottu
[16:37] <bazhang> !msgthebot | unknown101
[16:38] <PrideAndSorrow> i also have linuxmint installed in this machine
[16:39] <unknown101> ok nice, i am at kubuntu's website and i clicked to download it..(ik i can upgrade ubuntu to kubuntu, but i want to format ubuntu) anyway my machine can handle 64 bit but kubuntu's website recommend me 32,any idea on what to download?
[16:39] <littlegirl> falematte: Is http://askubuntu.com/questions/48951/keep-windows-from-jumping-workspaces-when-they-request-focus of any use?
[16:39] <cowbacon> unknown101: if you can use 64 bit download the 64bit iso
[16:40] <unknown101> okay thanks
[16:40] <cowbacon> unknown101: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/release/kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:41] <PrideAndSorrow> no,but i dropped to root shel and typed chown commans
[16:41] <littlegirl> falematte: This one is old, but maybe it will work: http://superuser.com/questions/263151/assigning-applications-to-specific-workspaces
[16:42] <sec^nd> What is a good calendar app for ubuntu? I don't want to use google and I want to use caldav
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> sec^nd  try orage
[16:43] <bazhang> sec^nd, apt-cache search calendar and see
[16:44] <acidulous> sec^nd: rainlendar
[16:44] <bazhang> !info rainlendar | acidulous
[16:45] <svernagovich> ragazzi ho un problema con il plugin di flash...
[16:45] <acidulous> idk, i just googled linux calendars
[16:45] <MonkeyDust> !it
[16:45] <ingev> как называется русский канал убунту:?
[16:45] <bazhang> acidulous, its not an ubuntu package, please try to stick to those
[16:46] <bazhang> ingev, /join #ubuntu-ru
[16:48] <PrideAndSorrow> on typing in terminal ,i get this message:"sudo: /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so must be only be writable by owner sudo: fatal error, unable to load plugins"what can fix this
[16:48] <LordAioria> hi all, could you help me? I have created a self-signed certificate using PEM format and RSA public/private key .. then i have created a self-signed server application certificate . now .. i have 2 questions.... i have installed a tool inside apache : that says that is necessary to run it under HTTPS ..... is it necessary install CA certificate into "tomcat 7" ?? and next question ... How can i install this SSL certificate in tomca
[16:49] <sec^nd> acidulous: rainlender sucks
[16:49] <peppe90mg> ciaooooooooo
[16:49] <peppe90mg> !list
[16:51] <PrideAndSorrow> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6111245/
[16:53] <lvleph> It appears that my system was hacked and all file permission in / were changed to 777 is there are quick and easy way to set everything to proper permissions? Also, what are the proper permissions?
[16:55] <DJones> lvleph: Being honest, if your system has been hacked, the only safe thing to do is to take it off the internet immediately and then do a fresh install, no matter how careful you are trying to fix it, you can never be certain that you get everything thats been changed so you could spend days fixing but still be compromised
[16:55] <jrib> lvleph: if your system was hacked, you need to format and restore from known safe backups.
[16:56] <PrideAndSorrow>   what could fix this ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6111245/
[16:56] <lvleph> I am still trying to figure out how it was hacked.
[16:57] <jrib> lvleph: how do you know it was hacked?
[16:57] <lvleph> A new user appeared that I didn't create and file systems permissions were all changed.
[16:57] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: you probably also ran some recursive chmod.  Anyway, format, reinstall, and restore your data from backups.
[16:57] <lvleph> I suppose it is not definitive but...
[16:58] <jrib> lvleph: what services do you run that are exposed to the internet?
[16:58] <lvleph> jrib: a lot
[16:59] <lvleph> I guess I will just reinstall.
[16:59] <lvleph> thanks
[16:59] <jrib> lvleph: image the drive and investigate whatever is left; but you should be reinstalling and restoring data from safe backups once you review your security procedures
[17:00] <PrideAndSorrow> jrib,can't i just change the file permissions?
[17:00] <LordAioria> hi all, could you help me? I have created a self-signed certificate using PEM format and RSA public/private key .. then i have created a self-signed server application certificate . now .. i have 2 questions.... i have installed a tool inside apache : that says that is necessary to run it under HTTPS ..... is it necessary install CA certificate into "tomcat 7" ?? and next question ... How can i install this SSL certificate in tomca
[17:00] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: not if you did it recursively
[17:01] <PrideAndSorrow> what if bachup asks for passwoed?
[17:01] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: I don't know what that means
[17:01] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: or rather, I don't know what you mean by that
[17:02] <PrideAndSorrow> will backup ask for authentization?
[17:02] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: you don't already have backups?
[17:02] <PrideAndSorrow> not yet
[17:03] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: I urge you to proactively backup in the future.  Any data you care about should be backed up.  But no, in general you won't need sudo to back-up.  And you can always just mount this partition on a live cd and backup from there if you do.
[17:04] <PrideAndSorrow> ok ,thanx jrib
[17:04] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: I don't think you ever told me the output to the last command I asked you about.  It would give a clue as to whether your chmod was recursive or not
[17:04] <jrib> !backup | PrideAndSorrow
[17:05] <PrideAndSorrow> drwxrwxrwx 196 root root 36864 سبت 14 14:24 /usr/lib
[17:06] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: is "سبت" just the localization of a month?
[17:06] <PrideAndSorrow> it means saturday
[17:06] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: ok
[17:06] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: but yeah you've probably run some recursive chmod and the best thing for you to do is reinstall and restore from backups
[17:07] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: if you're sure you haven't run a recursive chmod then maybe compare notes with lvleph
[17:07] <PrideAndSorrow> thanx a lot dear jrib
[17:09] <anonisd1> hi
[17:10] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[17:16] <lapt0p> How to improve video performance in Ubuntu? Youtube videos seem laggy.
[17:17] <luckyuser> uu
[17:17] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, are you on a desktop or laptop? and what graphics does it have? type this in terminal lspci | grep VGA
[17:17] <lapt0p> laptop
[17:18] <Wiz_KeeD> what would you gus recommend as a video player? the default ubuntu one?
[17:18] <lapt0p> ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300 i think, hang on
[17:18] <luckyuser> jyh
[17:18] <Ari-Yang> Wiz_KeeD, I recommend mplayer/mplayer2/mpv (new fork of mplayer)
[17:19] <lapt0p> Ari-Yang: Here is the output: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV550/M71 [Mobility Radeon HD 2300] (rev ce)
[17:19] <mario_> hi everyone
[17:20] <mario_> i'm searching for ldtp alternative that works on lxde (ldtp works on gnome and kde only)
[17:20] <mario_> any tips?
[17:20] <Ari-Yang> Wiz_KeeD, I recommend this https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv-build there are installation instructions for ubuntu below at the bottom
[17:20] <Ari-Yang> !ati
[17:20] <Ari-Yang> !amd
[17:20] <Wiz_KeeD> thanks Ari-Yang
[17:20] <Ari-Yang> you're welcome. good luck, Wiz_KeeD if you need help you can join #mpv-player
[17:21] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, what ubuntu version are you on?
[17:21] <Ari-Yang> 12.04?
[17:21] <lapt0p> 13.04
[17:21] <Ari-Yang> okay, go to 'Additional Drivers' and try out fglrx
[17:21] <lapt0p> Where is that located? :D
[17:23] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, you should be able to find it in dash board
[17:23] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, go to Software Sources and from there click on the Additional Drivers tab
[17:23] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, if you're on Unity, in dash board type out software sources
[17:23] <Wiz_KeeD> Can anyone help with the broadcom drivers?
[17:23] <Ari-Yang> !details | Wiz_KeeD
[17:24] <tozen> hi all! having troubles installing mini.iso. so machine asus k53e with huawei hilink dongle. installation getting started from flash usb drive in comand line mode. all is fine till archive mirror activation. i mean that there is two network interfaces visible during network devices recognition process. doesen't matter whitch is chosen finaly i've got mirror error message (tried to choose few tipe of mirrors offered by installator). any ideas to ho
[17:24] <chsados> hey guys I have amd drivers downloaded from the ATI website and it was in a.zip file i extracted it and now its a .run file - what do i do with .run files?
[17:25] <Ari-Yang> chsados, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Installing_upstream_drivers_directly_from_AMD.27s_website
[17:25] <Ari-Yang> chsados, I do not recommend installing the driver from amd's site... you should use the one ubuntu provides, which is considered safe, but good luck
[17:25] <chsados> ok ill try the ubuntu ones
[17:26] <dgarstang> Ubuntu 12.04 on Amazon.... dhcp exit hooks.... anyone knowledgeable aboot that?
[17:26] <chsados> Ari-Yang- is that the 2. Installation via the Ubuntu repositories section?
[17:26] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[17:26] <lapt0p> :Ari-Yang, actually i'm running LXDE based Ubuntu, so it's minimalistic and i can't find it
[17:26] <Ari-Yang> ....chsados please read what's on the page, it says right there "3. Installing upstream drivers directly from AMD's website"
[17:27] <Ari-Yang> chsados, you could scroll all the way up, it gives instructions from installing from ubuntu's repos
[17:27] <Ari-Yang> chsados, what ubuntu version are you on?
[17:27] <chsados> Ari-Yang- you said youd recommend not installing from amd site - i am on 12.04
[17:28] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, chsados, both of you run sudo apt-get install fglrx-amdcccle-updates in terminal
[17:29] <chsados> ok thanks
[17:29] <Ari-Yang> or sudo apt-get install fglrx-amdcccle
[17:29] <Ari-Yang> whichever
[17:29] <Ari-Yang> after, reboot
[17:29] <lapt0p> thanks :)
[17:29] <Ari-Yang> you're welcome
[17:29] <Ari-Yang> be sure to come back to report if it worked out or not...
[17:29] <chsados> ok
[17:29] <Ari-Yang> good luck~
[17:30] <lapt0p> Thanks, i will come back for sure
[17:34] <lapt0p> The screen is more blurry than it used to be, and the resolution is weird.
[17:35] <chsados> lapt0p- what gfx card you have?  im hoping i dont have same issue
[17:35] <lapt0p> ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300
[17:35] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, yeah that's a typical problem with a simple solution.... test out youtube videos to see if they're laggy or not
[17:37] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, you don't get any glitches or screen tearing do you? (you shouldn't, it isn't really known for HD2000)
[17:37] <lapt0p> Yeah, it's sluggish
[17:37] <lapt0p> Like it won't max out it's performance on 720p
[17:38] <sliddjur> Is there some command in "ip" program that can show if I got IP from DHCP or static?
[17:38] <tozen> hi all! having troubles installing mini.iso. so machine asus k53e with huawei hilink dongle. installation getting started from flash usb drive in comand line mode. all is fine till archive mirror activation. i mean that there is two network interfaces visible during network devices recognition process. doesen't matter whitch is choosen finaly i've got mirror error message (tried to choose few tipes of mirrors offered by installer). any ideas to ho
[17:38] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, yeah I figured.... you could always go back. Truth is fglrx is a horrible driver :V It has bad 2D acceleration, you're better off with the open source radeon...
[17:38] <lapt0p> Is there an option to make a driver roll-back if this doesn't work?
[17:39] <chsados> hmm i think i may just not chance it - its still downloading Ari-Yang is there a way to cancel it?
[17:39] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, you'll have to look at AMD's site...
[17:39] <lapt0p> How could i go back, if you don't mind telling me?
[17:39] <Ari-Yang> chsados, closing the terminal?
[17:39] <linuxuz3r> is there a playstation emulator for ubuntu?
[17:39] <Ari-Yang> I'm not sure :V
[17:39] <chsados> damn it finished lol - gunna reboot wish me luck!
[17:39] <Ari-Yang> chsados, no worries
[17:39] <Ari-Yang> you can alway uninstall it
[17:39] <Ari-Yang> good luck
[17:40] <chsados> brb
[17:40] <lapt0p> Okay than, but if you're helping someone in something vital, you should be sure to help him if that option won't work. I'm thankful, don't get me wrong :).
[17:40] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, maybe going on amd's site
[17:40] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, which happens to be under maintenance lol
[17:41] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, uninstall fglrx and install the radeon driver to go back
[17:41] <Ari-Yang> amd's site is under maintenance so you can't view old drivers from there...
[17:41] <rhagu> hi, I installed ubuntu 12.04 inside a kvm vm with virtio drivers for the hdd and grub cannot be installed, I searched the web and this seems to be a known issue, but I couldnt find a solution. Does someone know how to fix this?
[17:41] <lapt0p> What's the radeon drivers package name?
[17:41] <lapt0p> brb, write me a PM if you dont mind
[17:47] <awaad> Is there any version of Ubuntu Desktop for 64Bit Intel?
[17:47] <qin>  awaad any
[17:47] <ubuntu> test
[17:47] <DJones> awaad: The AMD64 is also for INtel
[17:47] <ubuntu> well crap, Ari-Yang when i reboot i get an error saying its running in low graphics mode and i hit ok and it just takes me to the TTYL command line - i am currently running on a live disc
[17:47] <Guest72794> this is chsados btw
[17:48] <DJones> awaad: AMD just got to the 64-bit processors first so thats just been the historical name for any 64 bit version of Ubuntu
[17:48] <qin> Guest72794: /nick chsados
[17:49] <awaad> DJones: Does this mean that "ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso" works fine with Intel 64 bit processors?
[17:49] <DJones> awaad: Yes, I'm using the 13.04 same amd64 iso
[17:49] <DJones> On an Intel I3
[17:49] <Ari-Yang> Guest72794, yeah tbh I'm not surprised, fglrx is horrible driver :/ try running sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati if you can
[17:50] <Guest72794> ok ill reboot and go back into command interface and report back
[17:50] <Guest72794> or should i be able to do that on the live disk?
[17:53] <PrideAndSorrow> when i'm in linuxmint and log in unity session,i find neither pannels nor menus,just the desktop icons
[17:54] <qin> !mint | PrideAndSorrow
[17:54] <PrideAndSorrow> what cuold fix that?
[17:54] <bazhang> PrideAndSorrow, ask MINT not here
[17:55] <qin> wonder if "mint off" would breach any channel guidelines...
[17:56] <ikonia> qin: it would just be a pointless mix of words that means nothing
[17:57] <PrideAndSorrow> don't u have any sense of humour?
[17:58] <ikonia> PrideAndSorrow: sure, if it's funny, rather than random word like "pepsi off"
[17:59] <c4mE7> quit
[18:00] <Wiz_KeeD> pepsi off? :))
[18:00] <bekks> Coke on :)
[18:00] <qin> feel guilty now
[18:00] <Wiz_KeeD> i'm a bit lost haha :))
[18:01] <PrideAndSorrow> it's getting better
[18:01] <Taylr0x> I'm trying to open grub by typing gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub but it doesn't appear to do anything in the terminal. Now I am running xubuntu but I would have thought the commands would be the same. Could anyone shed some light on how I can edit that file?
[18:02] <ikonia> Taylr0x: what are you expecting it to do ?
[18:02] <ikonia> Taylr0x: it should open a gedit window
[18:03] <Taylr0x> ikona: Open the file for editing but I've just been informed gedit isn't installed on xubuntu by default.
[18:03] <ikonia> Taylr0x: should it not error then saying "command not found" ?
[18:03] <lapt0p> How to change screen resolution on lubuntu 13.04 ?
[18:04] <Ari-Yang> oh you're on lubuntu
[18:04] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, also check out #lubuntu
[18:04] <Fuchs> lapt0p: xrandr will work, and there are some frontends to that. Unless you use the nvidia drivers, then I'd recommend nvidia-settings
[18:04] <lapt0p> I own an ATI video card :/
[18:04] <Jordan_U> Taylr0x: I believe "leafpad" is the default GUI text editor for XUbuntu.
[18:05] <Fuchs> lapt0p: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution   has some commands, as said, there are graphical frontends to xrandr if you prefer that
[18:05] <Ari-Yang> Fuchs, shouldn't he run xrandr --auto if I'm not mistaken...
[18:05] <guest0101> Ari-Yang, so i tried installing sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati and it gave an error saying i needed some dependencies so i installed those and retried the command and now ubuntu hangs at the loading screen - anyway to revert to the generic drivers - or should i just reinstall the OS entirely?
[18:05] <Fuchs> Ari-Yang: entirely depends on what he wants to achieve
[18:05] <KeyboardNotFound> How to format usb ?
[18:06] <bekks> KeyboardNotFound: The same way as formatting other devices.
[18:06] <KeyboardNotFound> bekks, how to format other device ?
[18:06] <Taylr0x> ikonia, It didn't say nor do anything unfortunately. Mousepad worked a treat though. Now I know for future reference =)
[18:06] <bekks> KeyboardNotFound: By using a program like gparted.
[18:06] <Taylr0x> Jordan_U, Will give leafpad a try also, thank you =)
[18:06] <Ari-Yang> guest0101, you shouldn't.... run these commands http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TxB2VS7t
[18:07] <guest0101> ok thanks Ari-Yang bbl
[18:07] <Ari-Yang> guest0101, okay, good luck
[18:07] <guest0101> oh wait, well now ubuntu hangs - is there a way to boot into command
[18:07] <Ari-Yang> there is... but I'm not sure myself :V
[18:07] <guest0101> or maybe run these from a live disc?
[18:08] <Ari-Yang> naw, I think you should boot into command line
[18:08] <belkinsa> Does anyone know how to see if your trackpad on your laptop is working on Ubuntu 13.04?
[18:08] <guest0101> is there a button i need to press to boot into command line?
[18:08] <bekks> belkinsa: Put your finger on it, and move...
[18:08] <Ari-Yang> Fuchs, how does one boot ubuntu into command line to install and remove things via apt? guest0101 wants to do so
[18:09] <bekks> belkinsa: No need to contact me outside this channel.
[18:09] <belkinsa> bekks: sorry.
[18:09] <Ari-Yang> guest0101, maybe it's ctrl alt T
[18:09] <guest0101> google says to hold shift during boot, ill try that Ari-Yang
[18:09] <Fuchs> Ari-Yang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode  might help, depending on why he has to do that it won't help, though. Maybe a life system and a chroot will
[18:10] <lapt0p> I won't get any support or help on the lubuntu channel. Can someone help me, how can i change the screen resolution on Lubuntu?
[18:10] <LordAioria> please any help ???
[18:10] <Fuchs> Ari-Yang: also I recommend not poking specific persons, if someone has an idea about a specific problem, he or she will answer it.
[18:10] <Ari-Yang> *nod*
[18:10] <guest0101> fuchs life system?  is that a a live cd?  im on live cd now
[18:10] <Fuchs> lapt0p: hi, have you seen the link I gave you?  (xrandr)
[18:10] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, someone here suggested that the wireless networks do not get detected at the beggining because of the power mode enabled of the card
[18:10] <Wiz_KeeD> Removing it didn't help it
[18:10] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, check what Fuchs linked me
[18:10] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, I know holding down shift will boot into GRUB
[18:11] <lapt0p> Oh, thanks i did not see the link
[18:11] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: that seems a reasonable suggestion as when you "activate" it, it finds the networks
[18:12] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, i'll reboot, one seccond
[18:12] <Ari-Yang> guest0101, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[18:12] <guest0101> thanks
[18:13] <lapt0p> Fuchs: Since im not that experienced, i'd prefer a GUI-way of changing my screen resolution. Any ideas on graphical frontends to xrandr, as you named them :)?
[18:13] <Fuchs> lapt0p: lxrandr, apparently
[18:13] <Fuchs> might be already included in lubuntu, not sure as I never used that
[18:14] <lapt0p> What the "l" stands for?
[18:14] <Fuchs> yeah, should be
[18:14] <Ari-Yang> LXDE?
[18:14] <Fuchs> lxde would be my guess, or "lightweight", as in lxde.
[18:14] <lapt0p> I thought that too :D
[18:14] <lapt0p> I'm a noob so, i may appear funny with some questions :D
[18:16] <lapt0p> 1024 X 768 is the MAX Screen Resolution size i get as an option :/
[18:18] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, if you can do this, type this in terminal gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:18] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, if you don't have gedit, use some other text editor program
[18:18] <lapt0p> leafpad is fine?
[18:19] <[FreeBSD]> lapt0p: yes
[18:19] <lapt0p> but it wont open the .conf file
[18:19] <lapt0p> i'll install gedit
[18:19] <lapt0p> hang on
[18:19] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, then pastebin it ( http://pastebin.com )
[18:19] <[FreeBSD]> lapt0p: you'll need root to edit that file
[18:19] <lapt0p> i was not a root user (facepalm)
[18:20] <Ari-Yang> lapion, type gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:20] <Ari-Yang> erm
[18:20] <Ari-Yang> * lapt0p
[18:20] <Ari-Yang> my bad
[18:21] <[FreeBSD]> if you're a noob and scared to use cli editor just use nano and learn that ctrl+x saves
[18:22] <lapt0p> No, the .conf file appear blank like a A4 sheet of paper :/
[18:22] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, okay, that means there isn't one there to begin with :|
[18:22] <[FreeBSD]> lapt0p: afaik ubuntu dont supply one by default
[18:22] <Ari-Yang> erm
[18:22] <Ari-Yang> I just wanted to see if you had it or not
[18:22] <[FreeBSD]> lapt0p: what video card is it?
[18:23] <Ari-Yang> [FreeBSD], yeah 12.04 and up doesn't have xorg.conf cuz it isn't really needed. lapt0p installed fglrx... which gave him bad resolution, he uninstalled it and installed the open source driver, he still has bad resolution
[18:23] <Wiz_KeeD> what does the "tmp file not ready or empty" at the boot image in ubuntu mean?
[18:23] <[FreeBSD]> Ari-Yang: ok
[18:24] <Ari-Yang> Wiz_KeeD, I ask that question myself... I'd like to know what it means too :L
[18:24] <lapt0p> The video card is ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300
[18:24] <farbod> join /xbox
[18:24] <farbod> join /#xbox
[18:24] <[FreeBSD]> lapt0p: did you definately uninstall properly?
[18:24] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, care to ligthen us? :))
[18:25] <[FreeBSD]> farbod: i think the command you want is /join
[18:25] <farbod> yes
[18:25] <farbod> tnks
[18:25] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what ?
[18:25] <lapt0p> FreeBSD: I did, i followed the Ari-Yang instructions
[18:25] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, run this in terminal and pastebin it dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[18:26] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, the "file in tmp are nor ready or tmp folder does not exist" that comes up every now and then when ubuntu boots :-s
[18:26] <[FreeBSD]> Wiz_KeeD: sounds like some /tmp cleaning thing but im guessing
[18:26] <[FreeBSD]> probbaly trying to clear tmpfiles but its already empty
[18:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what gives that error ?
[18:27] <Wiz_KeeD> i don't know if it's an error per/say it shows up when botting on the bootloader, not a console error
[18:27] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, maybe you should run these commands in the following order, just in case? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TxB2VS7t
[18:27] <Wiz_KeeD> below the image, with the pretty font underneath the ubuntu logo
[18:27] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: what do you mean on the bootloader ? the bootloader is grub ? it has no idea about file systems
[18:27] <Wiz_KeeD> sorry the boot image
[18:27] <guest0101> yuri
[18:28] <Wiz_KeeD> when it's booting ubuntu, not grub
[18:28] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: remove the splash image from the boot process, try to see what gives that error
[18:28] <Ari-Yang> Wiz_KeeD, I got it myself after I rebooted after installing kernel 3.11
[18:28] <guest0101> can you resend that list of commands - i think i wrote down that last one wrong im getting an error at lib-mesa-dri Ari-Yang
[18:28] <[FreeBSD]> Ari-Yang: does it appear in dmesg?
[18:29] <Ari-Yang> guest0101, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TxB2VS7t
[18:29] <guest0101> thanks
[18:29] <Wiz_KeeD> ikonia, after it runs once it doesn't appear anymore, and usually errors show up in a black console instead of below the boot image with the pretty font and all that
[18:29] <Ari-Yang> [FreeBSD], not sure what to look for in dmesg... I'll pastebin it, you should too Wiz_KeeD
[18:29] <Wiz_KeeD> pastebin what Ari-Yang ?
[18:29] <[FreeBSD]> Ari-Yang: it does sound like something just trying to clear /tmp
[18:29] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: do what I suggested
[18:29] <Ari-Yang> Wiz_KeeD, dmesg
[18:30] <Ari-Yang> [FreeBSD], it does
[18:30] <Ari-Yang> Wiz_KeeD, take a look at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/20783/how-is-the-tmp-directory-cleaned-up
[18:30] <ikonia> forget that
[18:30] <Wiz_KeeD> http://pastie.org/8328291
[18:30] <ikonia> remove the splash screen look at what process is actually giving the error
[18:31] <ikonia> it won't be "the kernel" so find out what init script is logging that error
[18:31] <Wiz_KeeD> I don't know how to remove the spalsh scree, and now it does not produce any error anymore
[18:31] <ikonia> that will tell you what's going on
[18:31] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: then why did you tell me it's displaying that error
[18:32] <Wiz_KeeD> it does so only once in a while
[18:32] <Wiz_KeeD> after I install some apps from software center like deluge, postgresql, pgadmin3 and stuff like that
[18:32] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: right, so remove the splash screen and wait for it to happen - then note down which process raises the error
[18:32] <ikonia> how else are you going to find out
[18:32] <Ari-Yang> Wiz_KeeD, to remove splash screen gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub and remove the quite splash
[18:32] <Ari-Yang> then run sudo-update grub
[18:33] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, same bad screen resolution?
[18:34] <lapt0p> same..
[18:34] <Ari-Yang> lapt0p, there's is definitely a way of fixing that... you just have to find it. hang around here and ask every now and again and so some google searching...
[18:37] <qbalazs> Does anyone know if text to speech software is supported 'buntu's version of d-i?
[18:37] <Gatsby> Hi, I need some help with the wifi driver...
[18:39] <qbalazs> @Gatsby, what sort of issues are you having?
[18:40] <pepper_chico> just passing to say how I hate how unity have this gestures handling hardcoded =/, I want to disable four finger gesture! :(
[18:41] <wilee-nilee> Gatsby, run lspci and find it and post it.
[18:45] <rickyrayjay> anyone know how i can get ps3 media server working on lucid puppy?
[18:45] <ikonia> rickyrayjay: that's nothing to do with ubuntu
[18:45] <rickyrayjay> or is there a way to run a root terminal with ability to use 'sudo'?
[18:45] <ikonia> rickyrayjay: try #puppylinux
[18:46] <rickyrayjay> i tried puppy. sorry, they said try ubuntu just to see
[18:46] <ikonia> rickyrayjay: it's nothing to do with ubuntu
[18:46] <ikonia> rickyrayjay: sorry, it's not for this channel
[18:46] <Ari-Yang> !restore
[18:46] <Ari-Yang> !backup
[18:46] <Ari-Yang> ^ lapt0p
[18:46] <rickyrayjay> holy cow, wowzers...sorry to step on your toes
[18:46] <Wiz_KeeD> no errors seem to come up ikonia: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wey7mp03oxmm00a/20130915_214127.jpg?m
[18:46] <ikonia> rickyrayjay: and no-one in #puppylinux said to join this channel - you joined it and joined #ubuntu straight after
[18:47] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: then note them down if/when they come back
[18:47] <Wiz_KeeD> I would be interested in a easy and safe way to remove the other "Previous versions of linux, memory test" and all that other stuff from grub
[18:47] <Wiz_KeeD> Yes ikonia, thanks
[18:47] <rickyrayjay> ya, but they told me from my last login. then i tried google for a while and came back. sorry to bother you so much
[18:47] <[FreeBSD]> Wiz_KeeD: check /etc/default/grub
[18:47] <ikonia> rickyrayjay: no proble.
[18:47] <ikonia> problem
[18:47] <Wiz_KeeD> I just did [FreeBSD]
[18:48] <Wiz_KeeD> ahh
[18:48] <Wiz_KeeD> # Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux
[18:48] <Wiz_KeeD> sorry
[18:48] <Wiz_KeeD> # Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux
[18:48] <rickyrayjay> huh....seemed like a bit prob. just thought not everyone is so narrow minded with linux that maybe could find an answer somewhere else. have fun here, ill never be back
[18:48] <Wiz_KeeD>  Uncomment to disable generation of recovery mode menu entries <-- this one sry
[18:48] <ikonia> rickyrayjay: ok, bye
[18:48] <Wiz_KeeD> right?
[18:48] <[FreeBSD]> Wiz_KeeD: yes
[18:49] <[FreeBSD]> Wiz_KeeD: or just leave as is and set the timeout to 0
[18:49] <[FreeBSD]> or set it to something small like 2 seconds so you can still easily get to it if you need to
[18:50] <Wiz_KeeD> ah the timeout until it automatically enters?
[18:50] <[FreeBSD]> yes
[18:50] <Wiz_KeeD> nah it's ok
[18:50] <Wiz_KeeD> brb
[18:51] <[FreeBSD]> that way if you need to get to the grub screen you can tap an arrow key or whatever
[18:51] <lorenx> hi all. i'm not able to complie and install droidcam: i get this: http://pastebin.com/D1tyTcMz. i have installed linux-headers for me kernel version
[18:51] <lorenx> *compile
[18:51] <lorenx> what does that error mean?
[18:52] <Rory> lorenx: What's the output of "ls /lib/modules" can you pastebin it please?
[18:53] <lorenx> Rory: sure, here it is: http://pastebin.com/Q8yYM9W2
[18:54] <Guest50621> Hello
[18:56] <Guest23812> how do I install minecraft
[18:56] <Guest23812> I have a .jar file
[18:57] <Guest23812> idk wth im meant to do with it
[18:57] <lorenx> Rory; can i try something
[18:57] <lorenx> ?
[18:57] <Guest23812> theres files iniside it too
[18:57] <Wiz_KeeD> [FreeBSD], previous versions and mem test still show up on grub
[18:58] <DJones> Guest23812: All you should need to do is save the jar file, set its permissions to executable, then right click and run with java
[18:58] <geirha> Guest23812: java -jar minecraft.jar   you likely need more options though, the minecraft site has examples
[18:58] <[FreeBSD]> Wiz_KeeD: i think you'll need to edit the grub config directly to remove those
[19:00] <Guest23812> how to set it to executable
[19:00] <Marcelius82> hi
[19:00] <universal> what does a file with extension .so in ubuntu mean ?
[19:01] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+
[19:01] <wilee-nilee> That should remove both memtest entries. You can always bring them back by running the first command again with +x instead of the -x, and running update-grub again.
[19:01] <[FreeBSD]> shared object
[19:01] <Guest23812> damn this is so awkward!
[19:01] <[FreeBSD]> wilee-nilee: i was gona suggest that
[19:01] <wilee-nilee> yeah right
[19:01] <[FreeBSD]> wasnt sure if memtest was in there or not
[19:01] <Guest23812> where is terminal emulator
[19:02] <universal> [FreeBSD]: how is [FreeBSD] ? I have heard a lot about it but never used it
[19:03] <[FreeBSD]> its ok
[19:04] <kostkon> Guest23812, there are minecraft installers in the software centre
[19:04] <Guest23812> called what
[19:04] <universal> [FreeBSD]: user experience, smoothness, stability and choice if compared to mint, debian or ubuntu ?
[19:04] <kostkon> Guest23812, try searching for "minecraft"
[19:04] <[FreeBSD]> someone will whine in here if we speak about that
[19:04] <Guest23812> I get 3 options
[19:04] <universal> hmm
[19:05] <Guest23812> minetest minetestcommon minetestdbg minetestserver
[19:05] <lorenx> sorry guys, anyone for my issue? it should be pretty a silly issue....
[19:09] <cil> lorenx: post   ls /lib/modules/3.8.0-30-generic
[19:09] <Wiz_KeeD> wilee-nilee, making that executable doesn't show it in grub?
[19:10] <OerHeks> Guest23812, minetestserver most likely > InfiniMiner/Minecraft-inspired open game world server
[19:10] <lorenx> cil: thanks. http://pastebin.com/Rpe1tJ44
[19:10] <Guest23812> ok thanks
[19:10] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, if you run it memory test disappears in the bootloader
[19:10] <cil> lorenx, can't see build there.  Have you run   sudo apt-get install build-essential  ?
[19:11] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, I forget you might need to run update-grub
[19:11] <[FreeBSD]> wilee-nilee: grub parses them files if theyre executable
[19:11] <lorenx> cil: yeah, it says i already have it
[19:11] <[FreeBSD]> wilee-nilee: you dont
[19:11] <[FreeBSD]> i dont think
[19:11] <lorenx> cil but i can create it manually anyway
[19:12] <PrideAndSorrow> hi
[19:12] <Wiz_KeeD> wilee-nilee, you said that it's ok, i'm just wondering how changing that file and making it executable makes it dissapear from the bootloader
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, Not sure what you mean by executable, all you do is run the command to remove or add again and run update-grub
[19:12] <cil> lorenz: hm, I'm running an earlier kernel, but with build-essential installed I have a bit more in that directory, including a build link.
[19:13] <Wiz_KeeD> I was asking what the command does actually
[19:13] <starbuck> hi, i would like to know if it would be wise to stick with 12.04 LTS till the next one, 14.04 or upgrade all the time when a new release comes out. is there a notable performance difference between the releases? the propritary graphics driver would be the same for 12.04 as for 13.10?
[19:13] <[FreeBSD]> wilee-nilee: chmod -x will get rid of the executable bit of that file and grub will ignore it
[19:13] <[FreeBSD]> same with any of them files in /etc/grub.d
[19:13] <Wiz_KeeD> so making it -x will make it ignore it
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, Honestly I don't look that close it works, I'm not really that interested. ;)
[19:13] <Wiz_KeeD> hehe :)
[19:14] <lapt0p> reboot
[19:14] <Wiz_KeeD> what about the "Previous linux version" thing [FreeBSD] ?
[19:14] <wilee-nilee> I'm not a IT person I'm studying other fields
[19:14] <lapt0p> omg.
[19:14] <[FreeBSD]> Wiz_KeeD: thats from old kernels
[19:14] <Wiz_KeeD> damn...
[19:14] <Wiz_KeeD> Thought they would be removed completly :(
[19:14] <[FreeBSD]> no
[19:15] <UserError> How do I install a specific package and ignore all deps with apt?
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, YOU don't want it removed completely whatever that means, you want the option of returning it in case you need it
[19:15] <bekks> UserError: Hopefully apt will refuse that. What are you trying to do actually?
[19:16] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, Are you OCD?
[19:16] <UserError> Actually have a specific and sane X11 install
[19:16] <UserError> For a platform that will never change
[19:16] <lapt0p> I'm trying to change my screen resolution, and i'm failing at that, nearly 2 hours so far :/ Any ideas?
[19:17] <UserError> I should be able to install just packages I want to without apt or anything else telling me otherwise. I should be allowed to. I can easily under gentoo.
[19:17] <UserError> dpkg can, so why not apt?
[19:17] <lapt0p> I mean, my maximum possible screen resolution is not listed, 1024x768 is MAX
[19:18] <wilee-nilee> UserError, you can but must know how is all in general, it is a matter of knowing dependencies or attached meta stuff
[19:18] <occ> lapt0p i had the same problem.
[19:18] <lapt0p> had / have? There is a difference :D
[19:18] <jrib> UserError: you would never want to do that
[19:18] <occ> probably ubuntu dosnt have the right driver for your graphics card
[19:18] <UserError> Yes, exactly. I want to download the meta without any other packages
[19:18] <occ> you know how i fixed it? i started using windows
[19:18] <IdleOne> UserError: the metapackage is just a list of packages
[19:18] <UserError> and only my SPECIFIC drivers
[19:18] <UserError> yes i know
[19:19] <UserError> but it is also a requirement for other packages
[19:19] <lapt0p> Haha, that's the easiest solution, but i want to gain knowledge in Linux :)
[19:19] <jrib> UserError: what do you actually want to accomplish?
[19:19] <UserError> I don't need kid gloves
[19:19] <[FreeBSD]> UserError: why arent you still using gentoo
[19:19] <wilee-nilee> UserError, That makes no sense meta means attached packages, gentoo and linux are both linux, just setup differently
[19:19] <UserError> the slimmest possible X11 install
[19:19] <occ> then have fun configuring drivers
[19:19] <[FreeBSD]> UserError: you do realise this is ubuntu
[19:19] <UserError> FreeBSD because the platform won't allow for it
[19:19] <[FreeBSD]> UserError: why
[19:20] <UserError> It is not an option, believe me i would love to use emerge and portage instead
[19:20] <wilee-nilee> UserError, Figure it out then by asking questions or yourself we are not really interested in your opinion here this is support.
[19:20] <UserError> Yes, and i asked how
[19:20] <UserError> and you ask why
[19:20] <IdleOne> UserError: if all you want to do is download the package you can use the -d otion
[19:20] <UserError> i am not getting support that way
[19:20] <OerHeks> UserError, ubuntu allows it too, write your own metapackage or use dpkg as you found out yourself
[19:21] <IdleOne> option*
[19:21] <UserError> Ok, so can apt itself do what I ask? Yes or no.
[19:21] <bekks> UserError: For an enterprise environment? Never. :) I do know one enterprise platform using gentoo, and literally every device has a different versioning. It is even more horrible than running without support.
[19:21] <UserError> I already know dpkg can
[19:21] <IdleOne> UserError: doesn't look like it can.
[19:21] <starbuck> what is better for steam gaming performance-wise, 12.04 or 13.04? or is there no real difference in gaming performance?
[19:21] <Marcelius82> Well now,  I have to go home now... thank you all very much! :-)
[19:21] <Marcelius82> bye bye
[19:22] <UserError> So Ubuntu cannot install specific packages by design? Is that what I am taking away from this?
[19:22] <lapt0p> How can i open a ZIP Archive in Linux?
[19:22] <[FreeBSD]> starbuck: if any i would guess the newer one
[19:22] <IdleOne> UserError: it can do what you want if you use dpkg, but it is very likely to break your configuration
[19:22] <bekks> UserError: Dont mi up Ubuntu with apt.
[19:22] <[FreeBSD]> starbuck: newer normally means speed improvements
[19:22] <kostkon> starbuck, not much. 12.04.3 comes with 13.04's graphics stack, so it's probably more or less the same
[19:22] <gavin_> hi
[19:23] <gavin_> i need help
[19:23] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, state the issues for help.
[19:23] <UserError> starbuck , 12.04.3 uses less RAM and CPU than 13.04
[19:23] <UserError> as per testing
[19:23] <starbuck> kostkon: so the graphics driver will always be updated to the newest version, and will be the same through all releases?
[19:23] <lapt0p> How can i open a ZIP Archive in Linux?
[19:23] <[FreeBSD]> unzip
[19:24] <bekks> UserError: 12.04 is LTS, 13.x isnt. If you want to use it in an enterprise environment, use the LTS.
[19:24] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, I have just installed ubuntu but don't know which version it is, the side menu bar keeps crashing
[19:24] <kostkon> starbuck, you aren't getting the latest driver i think, but you are getting what 13.04 has
[19:24] <MonkeyDust> !zip | lapt0p
[19:24] <UserError> bekks, I was answering his/her question. I am using LTS
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, version as in release?
[19:24] <gavin_> yes
[19:24] <lapt0p> What about someone using LXDE?
[19:24] <gavin_> i think i am using 12.04
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, cat /etc/*release*
[19:24] <gavin_> thats the latest one i have downloaded
[19:24] <[FreeBSD]> unzip/pa
[19:24] <lapt0p> Gnome, KDE and XFCE are covered
[19:25] <bekks> lapt0p: What will that information give you? :)
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> gavin_  what's the output of       cat /etc/issue
[19:25] <Genyar> I have a problem with my hard drive, Are there any hardware experts here?
[19:25] <bekks> !details | Genyar
[19:25] <UserError> Genyar #hardware
[19:25] <starbuck> kostkon: ok, i think i will stick with 12.04 then, if there's no big performance difference... i guess 12.04 will be much more stable than new releases and i don't want to set up a new system every 6 month
[19:25] <lapt0p> Okay, i have an AMD driver downloaded. It's packed as .zip. What should i do to install that driver?
[19:26] <everald> Hi. There's a bug in OpenShot in Ubuntu 12.04, that was fixed a year ago. How to best upgrade?
[19:26] <bekks> lapt0p: Which drover for what?
[19:26] <Wiz_KeeD> The mem test is still there
[19:26] <Genyar> ok, bekks
[19:26] <bekks> lapt0p: What are you trying to do actually?
[19:26] <lapt0p> Driver for my graphics card
[19:26] <bekks> lapt0p: Which graphics card do you have?
[19:26] <lapt0p> Install the newest ATI Video drivers
[19:26] <kostkon> starbuck, yes, after all, 12.04 is supported for 5 years, 13.04 for only 8 months
[19:26] <lapt0p> ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300
[19:26] <bekks> !ati | lapt0p
[19:26] <Genyar> I got a PC with an IDE bus, and I just discovered that my drive is actually on a SATA channel
[19:26] <lapt0p> I guess it may fix the problem with changing my resolution
[19:26] <bekks> !amd | lapt0p
[19:27] <bekks> hmmm.
[19:27] <bekks> Ah.
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, Did you run sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+  then sudo update-grub
[19:27] <lapt0p> Can you tell me how could i install the driver? If you don't mind?
[19:27] <Genyar> I assumed it was an IDE drive hooked up to an IDE bus, but the SATA channel may explain the problems I'm having trying to format it
[19:27] <bekks> lapt0p: Read the link given please.
[19:28] <lapt0p> It's too advanced for me
[19:28] <bekks> lapt0p: You havent even looked at it.
[19:28] <lapt0p> I did.
[19:28] <Genyar> Can you actually hook up a SATA drive to a computer that uses an IDE bus?
[19:28] <Wiz_KeeD> maybe I forgot the update grub
[19:28] <UserError> Genyar yes
[19:28] <Wiz_KeeD> 1 sec
[19:28] <UserError> you need a marvel based adapter
[19:28] <UserError> 2-5$
[19:28] <bekks> lapt0p: in 1 minute? I doubt that.
[19:28] <lapt0p> Why would i not look at it? -.-
[19:28] <starbuck> one more question, what exactly happens when a release isn't supported anymore, ther wiell be no mor updates at all? apt-get update will not work anymore?
[19:29] <bekks> starbuck: Correct. No more updates anymore.
[19:29] <Genyar> Wow, so how can I tell if my hard drive is a SATA drive or an IDE drive without physically examining it?
[19:29] <PrideAndSorrow> i wanna have unity  desktop,what packages do i need 2 download ?
[19:29] <UserError> starbuck, you can signup to the backports
[19:29] <UserError> and get some updates
[19:29] <wilee-nilee> PrideAndSorrow ubuntu-desktop
[19:29] <bekks> UserError: Which will not exist after a release got EOL.
[19:29] <UserError> Which do exist as per PPAs
[19:29] <Genyar> More important, do you need any special equipment like an adapter, to hook up a SATA drive to an IDE bus?
[19:29] <kostkon> UserError, backports != ppas
[19:29] <starbuck> ok, thx guys and have a good day/night
[19:30] <bekks> starbuck: When a release gets EOL, backports are not updated anymore. Nothing is updated anymore.
[19:30] <bekks> Genyar: Yes, you need an adapter.
[19:30] <PrideAndSorrow> just one package? wilee-nilee
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> PrideAndSorrow, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop yes
[19:30] <gavin_> hi
[19:30] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, i can't seem to find the terminal as its keep crashing on me
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, This a fresh install?
[19:31] <gavin_> had to restart the computer twice
[19:31] <gavin_> hello
[19:31] <gavin_> anyone there
[19:31] <Genyar> If my hard drive is hooked up to a SATA channel, does that mean that my hard drive must be a SATA drive?
[19:32] <kostkon> Genyar, 1+1=2
[19:32] <UserError> Genyar, most likely
[19:32] <UserError> 99.9999% chance
[19:32] <umar343_fb> wikileaks hid you everybody
[19:32] <Genyar> Wow, that means that I must already have an adapter
[19:32] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, yes its a fresh install
[19:32] <Genyar> that's very good news for me
[19:32] <Mult1> hi guys wassup? :)
[19:33] <kostkon> Mult1, hi
[19:33] <Mult1> hope you will resolve your problems soon :)
[19:33] <UserError> Or, more likely, you're running a SATA drive in IDE compatibility mode.
[19:33] <anshin> can anyone confirm whether they also have this bug with wmctrl? http://askubuntu.com/questions/339187/wmctrl-positions-windows-a-few-pixels-away-from-the-far-left
[19:33] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, Did you check the md5sum of the ISO, is the computer hardware up to running ubuntu, did it run okay in the live enviroment? thre questions here.
[19:33] <Mult1> because I dont have any problems so far btw I am the beginner :)
[19:33] <umar343_fb> please suggest a script to extract urls from a webpage ,i don't want to overload the server by extracting url from websites.
[19:33] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, yea it ran fine
[19:34] <UserError> umar , client side extraction can't overload a server
[19:34] <Genyar> That explans why I kept seeing references to RAID when I was trying to install my software
[19:34] <gavin_> before, i had 12.04 but somehow family member ran the update and crashed the entire computer
[19:34] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, So you say it crashes what are the symptoms you seem to see the left panel?
[19:34] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, the left panel keeps on flashing type of thing
[19:34] <umar343_fb> @Mult1 a begnner is not aware of the problems in reality
[19:34] <Genyar> All this time I thought I was using an IDE drive
[19:35] <Mult1> I really hope I will find Ubuntu more useful because for me, OS Windows XP is the best one.. :)
[19:35] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, Ah a crashed update, or distro upgrade?
[19:35] <Mult1> I know
[19:35] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, not sure how you mean there
[19:35] <kostkon> Mult1, XP will expire soon so you you did the right thing to move to something else
[19:35] <umar343_fb> please suggest a script to extract urls from a webpage,i don't want to be attacked by cyberpol and cyber hacker groups like anonymous and lulz.
[19:35] <Kireji> dist-upgrades and reboots on a server: ubuntu is now doing kernel upgrades **all the time**  currently it's linux-image-3.2.0-51 to linux-image-3.2.0-53 .  do I really need to reboot te server for this?  how can I tell with a kernel upgrade is required and when it's not?  I'd be rebooting several times a week to keep up with these
[19:36] <Mult1> I just install linux because of some experimantions with cracking some wifi sites :)
[19:36] <Mult1> I know It will expire :(
[19:36] <umar343_fb> they might do it if i download urls from websites.
[19:36] <nabboman> my pen 16gb look like lost all partiton file and folder, can i repaire with comand all partition ?
[19:36] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, hit alt-f1 to get to a tty, log in and run this. sudo apt-get -f install  it may finish the update or upgrade that was run
[19:36] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, you mean upgrade the ubuntu? i think he was trying to upgrade to 13.## something
[19:36] <umar343_fb> i am a newbie,considering different situations this is the final and worst fear i have.
[19:36] <Genyar> I know a SATA drive uses a Molex female connector to hook up to the motherboard, but what does an IDE connector look like?
[19:36] <Mult1> such a shame
[19:36] <Mult1> Windows XP is my favourite forever
[19:36] <Mult1> maybe
[19:36] <Mult1> nah
[19:36] <FloodBot1> Mult1: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:36] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, since its a fresh install, anything else that can be resolved other than upgrade?
[19:36] <UserError> IDE connectors look like legos
[19:37] <bekks> Genyar: Made of Molex, available in different colors.
[19:37] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, like fix the graphics or something
[19:37] <bekks> Genyar: Not an ubuntu issue actually :)
[19:37] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, Only you know we can only guess, I would run that last command I sent you in the tty.
[19:37] <Kireji> this doesn't give me a high level summary of importance http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.2.0-53.81/changelog
[19:37] <Mult1> what does it mean dont use enter as punctuation??
[19:37] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, last time i did that, one of the guys on here told me that it was something to do with graphics but unsure
[19:37] <Genyar> Well, I'm doing this so I can install Kubuntu 12.04
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> gavin_ Last time you did what?
[19:38] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, last time i installed the graphics part manually i think
[19:38] <bekks> Genyar: The hardware connectors have absolutely nothing to do with any OS.
[19:38] <gavin_> not sure
[19:38] <crocket> Fresh hexchat
[19:38] <Genyar> the drive I'm using now has no errors on it, but it won't let me install any Unix based OSs like Linux
[19:38] <UrielVigilant> Iam using Unebootin to run ubuntu from an Usb pen drive without change in my office pc on work. I wish to know if there is a version USB that could save all modifications, because every time i run it, i have to install flash players , change the keybord and many things to have all i need.
[19:38] <TheLordOfTime> o...kay, i'm trying to use the liveusb to resize/move partitions, and it's failing with an ext2_check_page: bad entry error, that segfaults everything
[19:38] <TheLordOfTime> any idea how to diagnose/fix this?
[19:38] <TheLordOfTime> liveusb is 12.04
[19:39] <Genyar> I can install Windows, but I can't install Linux because I can't overwrite the root directory
[19:39] <kostkon> Mult1, it's a bot telling you to just don't write one word per line continuously, it sees it as "flooding". it doesn't like it. just write your sentences in one line and then press enter if you can
[19:39] <UserError> uriel , edit it with the custom ubuntu makers in the app store
[19:39] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, how do i get to the terminal without it flashing
[19:39] <UserError> Re-----GTK
[19:39] <UserError> something
[19:39] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, I gave you info on getting to a tty, try that and the -f command
[19:39] <Genyar> I've tried everything to clean and format the drive, but the old Kubuntu root directory keeps coming back
[19:40] <Mult1> Oh thanks for informations kostkon It looks very helpful btw  I know It is a bot :)
[19:40] <gavin_> wilee-nilee, where's the info?
[19:40] <Genyar> I've used a dozen different partitioning programs and none of them work
[19:40] <kostkon> Mult1, ;)
[19:40] <UserError> if you formatted then it isn't old
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, hit alt-f1 to get to a tty, log in and run this. sudo apt-get -f install  it may finish the update or upgrade that was run
[19:40] <UserError> genyar do this... format to exFat, then format to Ext4
[19:40] <Genyar> THe only thing that works is the Windows installation CD's fdisk partition manager
[19:40] <tozen> hi all! having troubles installing mini.iso. so machine asus k53e with huawei hilink dongle. installation getting started from flash usb drive in comand line mode. all is fine till archive mirror activation. i mean that there is two network interfaces visible during network devices recognition process. doesen't matter whitch is choosen finaly i've got mirror error message (tried to choose few tipes of mirrors offered by installer). any ideas to ho
[19:40] <lapt0p> !chmod
[19:40] <bekks> Genyar: Use gparted live, delete windows, and install Ubuntu.
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, Sorry ctrl-alt-f1
[19:41] <bekks> Genyar: No need to format like exFat or other pointless suggestions.
[19:41] <UrielVigilant> UserError how can i find how to do that please ?
[19:41] <UserError> bekks, it was to prove to him
[19:42] <Genyar> I've done that already, bekks,, like over a dozen times
[19:42] <Genyar> the old root directory keeps coming back
[19:42] <bekks> Genyar: Then since the first time, there is no "root directory" anymore.
[19:42] <yellabs-r2> is ubuntu 12.04.3 alway's the latest, or does that one get updates right after install ?
[19:42] <bekks> Genyar: Whats the exact, full error message you get?
[19:42] <wilee-nilee> gavin_, THe main problem here is you do not know what was done, and your attaching previous problems to a unknown situation.
[19:43] <Genyar> "NO ROOT FILE SYSTEM IS DEFINED"
[19:43] <bekks> Genyar: Thats totally different from what you told us until now.
[19:43] <gregor3005> hi, does anybody use gnudip? i have the following scenario: my brother has a dynamic ip with a server, i have a static ip with a server and i want to connect to his server. whats the best way to get periodically his ip without the usage of dyndns or similar third party services?
[19:43] <Genyar> It tells me to Please correct this problem from the partitioning menu
[19:43] <gregor3005> sry again the wrong channel
[19:43] <bekks> Genyar: For installing, you have to define a filesystem for /
[19:44] <Genyar> But when I go to the partitioning menu, none of the partitions are recognized
[19:44] <bekks> Genyar: Because you have to define them, too.
[19:44] <antar> Hi people
[19:44] <Genyar> But when I go back to all my partition managers, all my EXt4 partitions are recognized
[19:45] <antar> good news , Gwibber becomes working
[19:45] <nabboman> can i restore a filesystem fat32 with some folders inside? now i see only a empity LOST.DIR
[19:45] <umar343_fb> i want to chat with multiple channels simulataneously using webchat.freenode.net
[19:45] <bekks> Genyar: Which "all partition managers"? there is no such thing on the installation cd.,
[19:45] <umar343_fb> please guide me.
[19:46] <Genyar> But the weird thing is, I can reformat the Ext4 partitions, but it takes like 10 seconds to format each, and they're really big, the drive is 500 GB
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> umar343_fb, use a app that allows that, like xchat
[19:46] <antar> umar343_fb, use xchat
[19:46] <bekks> Genyar: Even if they were 500TB, it wouldnt take much longer to write the metadata.
[19:47] <Genyar> The root files keep taking up space after all that formatting and deleting, in two of the partitions, but they don't use much space
[19:47] <Ben64> Genyar: what "root files"
[19:47] <bekks> Genyar: PRovide screenshots of what you are doing in the installer please.
[19:47] <Ben64> formatting gets rid of everything
[19:47] <Genyar> the root files from my old linux system I had before all these problems
[19:48] <loin> hi guys, is there something wrong with my hard drive? "SG_IO: bad/missing sense data" doesn't sound too good
[19:48] <bekks> loin: Sounds like a broken controller/hdd.
[19:48] <Genyar> I'm not certain about much about these remnant files, but I do know that they're somehow preventing me from creating a new root directory
[19:49] <bekks> Genyar: Thats totally untrue.
[19:49] <Genyar> during installation of linux
[19:49] <bekks> Genyar: Files cant prevent you from reinstalling.
[19:49] <Genyar> but if I install Windows, those remnant files don't seem to cause any problems
[19:49] <Ben64> Genyar: yeah... you need to show us what you're talking about
[19:49] <Wiz_KeeD> wilee-nilee, it worked, thanks
[19:49] <bekks> Genyar: Windows is out of interest in here. Please provide screenshots of what you are doing in the installer.
[19:49] <umar343_fb> i want the advice of advanced programmer,please suggest ircs for the same.
[19:50] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, cool
[19:50] <bekks> umar343_fb: freenode.net
[19:50] <Wiz_KeeD> Now I would like to remove previous kernels and solve my wireless problem
[19:50] <Dr_WiLlIs> !alis | umar343_fb
[19:50] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, easiest way to remove kernels with a gui is with ubuntu tweak the janitor app.
[19:51] <Genyar> there's not much to show, downloading the screen shots here would be a waste of time
[19:51] <Dr_WiLlIs> Wiz_KeeD:  askubuntu.com had few answqers/scripts on removeing all the old kernels.
[19:51] <bekks> Genyar: Without them, I cant help you. Sorry.
[19:51] <Genyar> the screen shot will just say "Prepare Partitions"
[19:51] <Ben64> Genyar: no, it would not be a waste of time. what you're saying is not making sense. pictures would absolutely help
[19:51] <Genyar> "No root file system defined"
[19:51] <Genyar> that's it
[19:51] <bekks> Genyar: then define a root filesystem.
[19:51] <Genyar> After that it's just a black screen
[19:51] <Dr_WiLlIs> Genyar:  you MUST assign '/' to one of your partitions
[19:51] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, Since that broadcom has been such a problem for you I would just get a usb dongle if it were me and call it a day
[19:51] <Genyar> I did all that stuff dozens of times
[19:52] <Genyar> Actually, it won't let me define an root file system
[19:52] <Dr_WiLlIs> Genyar:  ie:   sda1 = /   sda2 = /home/
[19:52] <UserError> lolool
[19:52] <Genyar> It won't even recognize my hard drive
[19:52] <bekks> Genyar: Then provide the screenshots...
[19:52]  * wilee-nilee steals "usb dongle" from Dr_WiLlIs 
[19:52] <UserError> I would repair a MBR
[19:52] <Genyar> I tried various unix based installations CDs and none of them recognize my hard drive
[19:53] <Genyar> I've tried 5 versions of Kubuntu
[19:53] <Dr_WiLlIs> Genyar:  does 'sudo blkid' and 'sudo fdisk -l' show the hard drive?
[19:53] <Genyar> And I tried FEdora
[19:53] <Genyar> Yes
[19:53] <bekks> None of them is unix based :)
[19:53] <Genyar> But I can't get superuser status
[19:53] <Dr_WiLlIs> Genyar:  pastebin the output of those 2 commands for the channel
[19:53] <Genyar> It won't accept amy of my passwords
[19:53] <bekks> Genyar: On a livecd, you can.
[19:53] <Wiz_KeeD> haha, not an options ofr me wilee-nilee
[19:54] <OerHeks> Genyar, sounds like you have 4 primairy partitions already
[19:54] <Ben64> Genyar: then pop in a livecd and come here and pastebin stuff for us
[19:54] <Genyar> Oh yeah, you're right, the live CD let me get superuser status
[19:54] <Genyar> only one of the live CDs
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> Wiz_KeeD, what,  ubuntu tweak or a usb wifi?
[19:55] <bekks> Genyar: every ubuntu live cd does.
[19:55] <Genyar> Not for me
[19:55] <Genyar> But the latest thing I did was change all my partitions to NTFS and then tried to install Windows
[19:55] <Genyar> That screwed up my BootManager
[19:56] <bekks> Genyar: For everyone. Now please proceed to pastebin the requested information.
[19:56] <Genyar> Because it only half installed Windows, then fracked up
[19:56] <Ben64> we don't care about windows
[19:56] <Genyar> How does pastebin work?
[19:56] <bekks> !pastebin
[19:56] <Dr_WiLlIs> !pastebin
[19:56] <Dr_WiLlIs> heh
[19:58] <Mult1> Hey back here again
[19:58] <Genyar> ok, I'll do it
[19:59] <wilee-nilee> Thanks for the warning. ;)
[20:00] <Mult1> where is my virtual friend? D
[20:00] <BONGO> 1074 virtual friends
[20:00] <wilee-nilee> 1702
[20:01] <BONGO> ty
[20:01] <mrrcp> question.. why when i copy files to a thumb drive it stops on 99%
[20:01] <mrrcp> for like 5 to 10 mins
[20:01] <UserError> Because you made fun of the 1%.
[20:01] <mrrcp> is it just copying still?
[20:01] <UserError> Most likely.
[20:01] <Dr_Willis> mrrcp:  ive noticed that it like copying/cacheing.. so it seems to copy real real fast.. then waits.
[20:01] <bekks> mrrcp: Yes.
[20:01] <Dr_Willis> for it to actually get the copy done.
[20:02] <Genyar> having trouble connecting to ImageBin, probably my firewall
[20:02] <mrrcp> ok
[20:02] <Dr_Willis> I 'think' ive seen this fixed in 13.10 mrrcp - at least ive not noticed the issue lately here.
[20:02] <mrrcp> ah
[20:02] <mrrcp> well im on 12.04 still
[20:03] <bekks> mrrcp: Thats normal for cached devices.
[20:03] <mrrcp> not sure if its worth the upgrade or now
[20:03] <bekks> mrrcp: And that issue exists in all releases.
[20:03] <UserError> mrrcp u can upgrade to 12.04.3
[20:03] <Genyar> Oh, the images are too big
[20:03] <bekks> mrrcp: No, its not worth the upgrade.
[20:03] <UserError> LOL
[20:03] <mrrcp> UserError: too funny
[20:03] <Ben64> Genyar: try imgur
[20:03] <mrrcp> or not
[20:04] <BeowulfBrower> Got a question!
[20:04] <mrrcp> anyways ok i was just wondering if it was my system or everyone
[20:04] <Genyar> I need to use Photoshop to make them smaller
[20:04] <BeowulfBrower> Can I install ubuntu from a thumb drive sans a connection to the net?
[20:04] <UserError> yes
[20:04] <BONGO> photoshop? omfg...
[20:04] <usr13> Genyar: $ mogrify -resize 900x image.jpg
[20:04] <Dr_Willis> BeowulfBrower:  you can install without a network connection
[20:04] <BeowulfBrower> Will I have the GUI and gparted installed by default?
[20:04] <UserError> BONGO, please direct me to an OSS image manipulation program that is better.
[20:05] <nerssi1010> Does anyone know of a good general computer science help IRC room? Just for asking simple, general questions.
[20:05] <Dr_Willis> hmm. ive uploaded 1080xwhatever to Imagebin.
[20:05] <UserError> beo, no but you can download gparted deb
[20:05] <UserError> to flash drive
[20:05] <Dr_Willis> nerssi1010:  try #linux
[20:05] <Muhammad_> Why I get 404 Not Found [IP: Something] when I wanna update ubuntu using 'sudo apt-get update'?
[20:05] <BONGO> UserError: gimp should do the job to shrink pics...
[20:05] <usr13> Genyar: (If you have imagemagic installed... which you should...)
[20:06] <BeowulfBrower> OK, will I have the gui installed though?
[20:06] <UserError> yes
[20:06] <Dr_Willis> Muhammad_:  whast ubuntu release. and whats the exact error message
[20:06] <Genyar> Photoshop is easy to use
[20:06] <Dr_Willis> BeowulfBrower:  the desktop cd installs a gui.
[20:06] <Dr_Willis> BeowulfBrower:  Unity by default on ubuntu
[20:06] <BeowulfBrower> Ok, if I'm doing it from a thumb drive, same thing?
[20:06] <usr13> BONGO: Why not imagemagic?
[20:06] <Dr_Willis> BeowulfBrower:  yes.
[20:07] <usr13> BONGO: (quicker/easier)
[20:07] <BeowulfBrower> Can I just use McDonald's wifi to do this?
[20:07] <anshin> is this the wrong place to ask my question, or am I just getting lost in the noise? I have a bug with wmctrl on ubuntu, and my friend says he has the same issue
[20:07] <BONGO> usr13: great piece of software... i like it
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> BeowulfBrower:  no idea. try it and see
[20:07] <usr13> BONGO: Yep
[20:07] <Dr_Willis> BeowulfBrower:  some public hotspots block a lot of things
[20:07] <UserError> BB, yes you can
[20:08] <anshin> bug is that active window isn't moved to be flush with the launcher/side of the screen with `wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -e 0,0,0,-1,-1`
[20:08] <bekks> Genyar: You dont need Photoshop to pastebin "sudo fdisk -l" and "sudo blkid".
[20:08] <UserError> anshin, 4th result on google
[20:08] <Dr_Willis> Genyar:  'sudo apt-get install pastebinit'   then 'sudo blkid | pastebinit'  'sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit'
[20:09] <sulo_> where is my virtual friend? I have been disonnnected ?/
[20:09] <usr13> Genyar: ... and send URLs
[20:09] <Muhammad_> Dr_Willis: jaunty 9.04. Also that one is the exact error.
[20:09] <Genyar> My screen shots were taken by my digital camera, that's why I need to cut them down to size
[20:09] <gavin_> hi
[20:09] <gavin_> i need help
[20:09] <UserError> genyar use imgur
[20:09] <UrielVigilant> When i arrived to this part " Customize Your CD
[20:09] <UrielVigilant> 	<UrielVigilant>	In the main project screen, you will be given a number of options to modify. We’ll start off by adding in some packages that are not included in Ubuntu by default." following this on line manual http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/22145/how-to-create-your-own-customized-ubuntu-live-cd/ , then if i want the mozzzila comes already with the flash player, what i have to write on the...
[20:09] <FloodBot1> UrielVigilant: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:09] <UrielVigilant> ...packages...
[20:09] <UrielVigilant> 	<UrielVigilant>	...searches , knowing that flash player is this one http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/completion/?installer=Flash_Player_11.2_for_Ubuntu_%28apt%29
[20:09] <usr13> Genyar: This machine is not online?
[20:09] <gavin_> how do i stop the left menu/task bar from crashing?
[20:09] <Dr_Willis> !jaunty | Muhammad_
[20:09] <bekks> Genyar: You dont need Photoshop to pastebin "sudo fdisk -l" and "sudo blkid".
[20:10] <Dr_Willis> Muhammad_:  jaunty is END of LIVE. the servers have all been moved. Time to Upgrade. (or better yet a new clean installof a supported release)
[20:10] <Genyar> No, they're not from the terminal
[20:10] <UserError> Ureil i gave u the answer
[20:10] <Dr_Willis> !eol | Muhammad_
[20:10] <usr13> Genyar: If the machine you are working on is online, just use pastebinit as suggested.
[20:10] <UserError> read the one about the one that starts with R and ends with GTK
[20:10] <Genyar> the screen shots are from my partion managers and from my installation actions
[20:10] <UserError> in the link i gave u
[20:10] <gavin_> hello
[20:10] <usr13> Genyar: Can you bring up a terminal window?
[20:11] <gavin_> anyone there
[20:11] <Genyar> Of course it's not online, I'm using another PC
[20:11] <Genyar> Yes
[20:11] <Dr_Willis> gavin_:  1000+ people here
[20:11] <gavin_> i need some help
[20:11] <bekks> I am resting that case.
[20:11] <bekks> gavin_: You have to tell us about your problem first.
[20:11] <Genyar> which partition manager do you wont me to use?
[20:11] <usr13> Genyar: Ok, never mind, just send image(s).
[20:11] <UserError> Genyar they already stated Gparted
[20:12] <anshin> UserError: good point. not sure why I didn't consider it. thanks
[20:12] <gavin_> bekks, my left menu/task bar keeps crashing whenever i hover my mouse over
[20:12] <Genyar> But I can't remember which one gave me superuser status
[20:12] <UserError> np
[20:12] <Genyar> it was either GParted or KDE Partion mnaager
[20:12] <Dr_Willis> Genyar:  from a live cd. you could run any of them as root with the right command line command.
[20:13] <Genyar> yes, but only one gave me superuser status
[20:13] <usr13> Genyar: sudo
[20:13] <Dr_Willis> Genyar:  either of them CAN be ran that way.
[20:13] <bekks> gksu, not sudo.
[20:13] <Muhammad_> That link is banned for me. Is any other link available?
[20:13] <gavin_> is there a way to fix the issue that I am facing?
[20:13] <Genyar> ther'e s a 50 50 chance it was GParted
[20:13] <Dr_Willis> Muhammad_:  banned? what link is banned?
[20:14] <gavin_> hello?
[20:14] <Muhammad_> Dr_Willis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades. Yes banned?
[20:14] <Dr_Willis> !patience | gavin_
[20:14] <Muhammad_> .
[20:14] <Genyar> I lost the installation CD
[20:14] <Dr_Willis> Muhammad_:  you mean your company/isp/school has it blocked?
[20:14] <gavin_> Dr_Willis, sorry
[20:14] <Genyar> I mean, I lost the Gparted live CD
[20:15] <Elesa> Hi! I got a problem, there's no sound coming from my speakers, but headphones work.. I'm using Ubuntu 12.04
[20:15] <Genyar> I'l have to use KDE isntead
[20:15] <Muhammad_> Dr_Willis: Yes. I'm from Iran.
[20:15] <Dr_Willis> gavin_:   step 1 - would be to be sure your system is all updated, and upgaded. 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[20:15] <Genyar> i found GParted
[20:15] <usr13> Elesa: alsamixer  #From a terminal window.
[20:15] <Dr_Willis> Muhammad_:  no idea on that then. I cant imagine why they would block a  Help site.  Theres alwyas TOR to get around stuff i guess.
[20:15] <Genyar> swoops
[20:15] <Elesa> ok
[20:16] <Dr_Willis> Genyar:  you can 'sudo apt-get install gparted' from a kde live cd also
[20:16] <usr13> Elesa: Make sure PSM and Master are turned up.
[20:16] <Genyar> I'm booting up GParted
[20:17] <Muhammad_> Dr_Willis: All tour route are blocked too.
[20:17] <Elesa> well, PCM says 100<>100, and Master says 47<>47, Beep says 0, and both Beep and Master have a green 00 below them
[20:18] <Genyar> http://imagebin.org/271028
[20:18] <usr13> Elesa: Check to see that your speakers are plugged into correct port.
[20:18] <gavin_> Dr_Willis, I have updated and upgraded everything but I still have the same issue
[20:19] <Elesa> umm, well, I forgot to mention that I'm using a laptop, it's the integrated speakers that aren't working
[20:19] <Dr_Willis> Muhammad_:  heres a pastebin of the site  http://pastebin.com/YyTwzSEi
[20:19] <usr13> Genyar: What exactly are you trying to do?
[20:19] <bekks> usr13: trying to install ubuntu.
[20:19] <Muhammad_> Dr_Willis: Sorry. This is banned too. Could you paste it on hastenin.com(I found this with a lot of effort).
[20:20] <Muhammad_> *hastebin.com
[20:20] <Elesa> isn't it pastebin.com?
[20:20] <usr13> bekks: The image he sent contains little if any information.  I'm going to suppose he is trying to shrink an existing partition.  Right Genyar ?
[20:20] <estudiante> estudiante
[20:20] <Dr_Willis> Muhammad_:  that site dosent exist  as far as i can see
[20:20] <Genyar> I'm tryng to format my drive
[20:21] <bekks> usr13: No. He is trying to paste images on what he is doing.
[20:21] <Genyar> so I can install Kubuntu
[20:21] <usr13> bekks: Ok.
[20:21] <usr13> Genyar: So why not just mkfs?
[20:21] <Genyar> mkfs?
[20:21] <UserError> !man mkfs
[20:21] <Dr_Willis> Genyar:  all you really need to do is delete the partions and have some unallocated space. and let the partioner partion and format as it wants.. but earlier you said - it couldent SEE the hard drive.. thats a totaly differnt issue
[20:21] <usr13> Genyar: Are you wanting to format it or re-partition it?
[20:22] <Dr_Willis> Genyar:  partioning and formating are 2 differnt things. :)
[20:22] <Genyar> I can only format frm live cD, not during installation
[20:22] <Elesa> I don't get it, why aren't the integrated speakers working? they worked perfectly before I rebooted with the REISUB command :(
[20:22] <usr13> Genyar: To delete partitions, use fdisk. sudo fdisk /dev/sda   #Hit o and hit enter and then w and enter.
[20:22] <Genyar> none of my unix based instalations will recognize my hard drive or let me define a root file system
[20:23] <gavin_> is anyone be able to help me
[20:23] <Dr_Willis> Genyar:  then you make 2 partions from a live cd. one of ext4, one of 'swap' and then you use the 'somting else'  route in the isntaller. assign / to the ext4 and swap to the swap.
[20:23] <Muhammad_> Dr_Willis: Weird. I can access it http://hastebin.com
[20:23] <Dr_Willis> gavin_:  its very hard for us to help with things that just 'crash'   Youmight want to check askubuntu.com, and as a test. try making a new user. see if it also crashes on them
[20:24] <Genyar> Well, I want a HOme partition, too
[20:24] <usr13> Genyar:  o   create a new empty DOS partition table   w   write table to disk and exit
[20:24] <Dr_Willis> Genyar:  so make one then. assign it to /home/ in the installer.
[20:24] <bekks> Genyar: Pastebin the rest of the information request please.
[20:24] <usr13> Genyar: As has been suggested, just delete any partitions you have and use a blank, un-partitoned drive.
[20:24] <gavin_> Dr_Willis, the thing is, the crashing is a bit like its flashing when i hover the mouse
[20:24] <OerHeks> Genyar, check your bios, if your HDD controller is set to AHCI ( not ide mode) could explain it too
[20:24] <bekks> Genyar: We are waiting for more than 20 minutes for a simple pastebin.
[20:24] <usr13> bekks: But, the installer'
[20:25] <bekks> Even more than 30 minutes.
[20:25] <traplin> could anyone please help me? i followed this tut: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=197&t=92044 (i know its for mint, but was the only one i could find) to get my wireless adapter to work. it worked, but, i am stuck in a password loop. i input the correct password, but it continuosly ask me for the password.
[20:25] <gavin_> The menu bar then turns strippy sort of thing
[20:25] <usr13> bekks: But, the installer's  partitioning tool will do that for you.
[20:25] <Genyar> I just created a new partition table to get rid of the NTFS partitions, now I got 500 GB of unallocated DOS space
[20:25] <kkrusty> hello Rhythmbox just used up all my root space while syncing my music files. Any idea where the cache is stored so that I can delete it?
[20:25] <usr13> bekks: Sorry, that was for Genyar
[20:25] <Elesa> usr13, it's laptop speakers
[20:26] <usr13> Genyar: Good.
[20:26] <Dr_Willis> gavin_:  could be some odd video driver quirk/bug/. You havent mentioned what video card/chiset/driver you are using that i saw.  But i dont really do much video driver trouble shooting.
[20:26] <gavin_> ok
[20:26] <bekks> Genyar: Will you finally pastebin the requested information, or may I get back to other things?
[20:26] <gavin_> Dr_Willis, are you able to walk me through the steps?
[20:26] <Genyar> http://imagebin.org/271030
[20:26] <usr13> Elesa: Check for F-key combo or some other control method on the laptop.
[20:27] <Dr_Willis> gavin_:  steps for what? lspci will show your video card and other info.
[20:27] <Muhammad_> Dr_Willis: What about this http://cpaste.org? Could you paste it on this?
[20:27] <Elesa> to increase/decrease volume? Yup.. I tried it, and the usual bubbly sound isn't there
[20:27] <Elesa> it works when I use headphones though
[20:27] <usr13> Genyar: Looks like you are good to go.
[20:27] <Dry_Lips> when creating a user in Ubuntu 12.04 (server) with full access to the server, is it enough to add the user to the sudo group, or do I have to add him to other groups as well? For instance adm?
[20:27] <gavin_> Dr_Willis, I mean to resolve the crashing issue
[20:27] <Dr_Willis> Muhammad_:  http://cpaste.org/2215/
[20:28] <usr13> Elesa: What are you using to generate the sound?
[20:28] <Dr_Willis> gavin_:  i dont know any definitive 'steps' that will guarentee a fix. no one does.
[20:28] <traplin> Can anyone help me?
[20:28] <usr13> no, not if you don't ask a question
[20:28] <traplin> i did, must've been missed, here:
[20:28] <traplin> could anyone please help me? i followed this tut: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=197&t=92044 (i know its for mint, but was the only one i could find) to get my wireless adapter to work. it worked, but, i am stuck in a password loop. i input the correct password, but it continuosly ask me for the password.
[20:28] <wilee-nilee> traplin, YOu running mint?
[20:28] <gavin_> ok, but how do i install the video driver?
[20:29] <traplin> wilee-nilee: nope, Ubuntu, but, it worked fine. there were no tutorials for Ubuntu on that matter
[20:29] <gavin_> its the motherboard graphics card that i am using
[20:29] <Dr_Willis> gavin_:  you havent mentoioned your video card/chipset.  so it all depends on that.
[20:29] <usr13> traplin: Forgot your password? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[20:29] <Elesa> usr13, umm, a YouTube video and a mp3 file
[20:29] <wilee-nilee> traplin, remove the password that is there now for wireless.
[20:29] <Dr_Willis> gavin_:  its all about the 'chipset' of the video card. there is the addaditional-driver tool that  works for most nvidia/ati cards
[20:29] <Genyar> My images are too big
[20:29] <usr13> Elesa: play file.mp3
[20:30] <traplin> wilee-nilee: did that, it still continued to ask for a password, even though one didn't exist
[20:30] <Dr_Willis> Genyar:  and how big are your images?
[20:30] <gavin_> Dr_Willis, all i know is that, the video card is NVIDIA
[20:30] <usr13> Elesa: sudo apt-get install sox
[20:30] <wilee-nilee> traplin, This the user password or the wireless/
[20:30] <traplin> the wireless
[20:30] <traplin> the wireless password it keeps on looping
[20:31] <wilee-nilee> traplin, tick the always use butrton, if this is not the original desktop on install make sure it os ticked there.
[20:31] <usr13> traplin:  Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[20:31] <kkrusty> found the problem. .xsession-errors is 9GB. Thanks for nothing guys
[20:31] <bandit22> can someone tell me how to disable global menu in 12.04LTS
[20:31] <wilee-nilee> bandit22, global menu?
[20:31] <Elesa> usr13, it says play FAIL formats: no handler for file extension `mp3'
[20:31] <Genyar> http://imagebin.org/271032
[20:32] <Genyar> woops, now they're probably too small
[20:32] <wilee-nilee> bandit22, THe left panel?
[20:32] <gavin_> Dr_Willis, I'm not sure if it is ATI video card
[20:32] <bekks> Genyar: You do not need to define partitions using gparted. Start with a blank disk.
[20:32] <bandit22> what ever its called where the close min max buttons are on top of screen
[20:32] <Genyar> ok, bekks
[20:33] <wilee-nilee> bandit22, The top panel is part of the desktop, not really a disabled option.
[20:34] <chmac> How can I tell from within bash if I'm running on ubuntu or osx?
[20:34] <wilee-nilee> bandit22, THis is unity I assume from your description.
[20:34] <reisio> chmac: cat /etc/*release*
[20:34] <reisio> chmac: uname -a
[20:34] <bandit22> yes unity
[20:34] <reisio> chmac: probably 'help | head'
[20:35] <reisio> chmac: echo $HOSTNAME
[20:35] <reisio> chmac: million other ways
[20:35] <chmac> reisio: $HOSTNAME is closer, but I was thinking something like that
[20:35] <chmac> uname -a would work, but not sure if that works on mac...
[20:35] <chmac> Ok, it does
[20:35] <Genyar> http://imagebin.org/271033
[20:35] <reisio> $HOSTNAME is good enough for familiar boxes
[20:35] <napsc> chmac: lsb_release -a
[20:35] <reisio> as you probably gave them their hostnames
[20:35] <bandit22> i don't like the menu hiding and buutons being on the left on maximized windows
[20:35] <chmac> reisio: Sorry, I was thinking something like $BASH_VERSION which tells me zsh / bash :-)
[20:36] <reisio> chmac: help | head
[20:36] <reisio> I said :p
[20:36] <chmac> reisio: help not found on osx...
[20:36] <gavin_> does anyone know how to install video card driver on ubuntu?
[20:36] <reisio> chmac: really... do they not use bash?
[20:36] <reisio> bash --help | head
[20:36] <chmac> reisio: Thing is, I want a single .profile that I can use on both zsh / osx and on bash / ubuntu :-)
[20:36] <reisio> gavin_: yup, for what card?
[20:36] <Ben64> Genyar: why are you in the bios?
[20:36] <traplin> wilee-nilee:  okay, so now without a password it works. but obviously i don't want to have no password on my wireless
[20:36] <bekks> Genyar: BIOS is irrelevant. Paste the pictures from the installer finally. And the requested commands.
[20:36] <reisio> chmac: oh that
[20:37] <chmac> I have a few different hosts, so $HOSTNAME would be a bit messy...
[20:37] <Genyar> I shot those last night
[20:37] <reisio> chmac: they use entirely separate ~/. files, so...
[20:37] <wilee-nilee> bandit22, You can move it in dconf-editor
[20:37] <reisio> chmac: you should only need to replicate them all
[20:37] <reisio> chmac: but you could theoretically source them from one another
[20:37] <reisio> that is to say, you could, but it'd be odd :p
[20:38] <chmac> reisio: Which is what I'm trying to do! :-)
[20:38] <bekks> Genyar: However. It takes almost an hour to get the pastebin of two commands. I am out of your case, finally.
[20:38] <bandit22> I don
[20:38] <reisio> chmac: it's just '. file' or 'source file' in bash
[20:38] <wilee-nilee> traplin, Right there is a box to check there somewhere that is a auto login I forget its name. If you are on a second desktop then the one on the install you have to set it there first.
[20:38] <reisio> chmac: ask #zsh about zsh's way
[20:38] <bandit22> I don
[20:38] <chmac> reisio: I guess it's mostly the aliases and PATH that I'm thinking of, so I could put that into a separate .aliases / .path files…
[20:38] <bandit22> I don't know how to use that
[20:38] <reisio> chmac: I'm still not sure what you're after :p
[20:39] <reisio> chmac: are you trying to write once, use twice?
[20:39] <chmac> I've got a few things like if [ -n $BASH_VERSION ]; then do … fi
[20:39] <Genyar> I give up
[20:39] <chmac> reisio: Yeah, so I can sync the files between all my hosts, and just have one copy
[20:39] <chrisirc> How do I best install a newer version of openshot on ubuntu 12.04? Is there a testing/unstable Ubuntu like with Debian, from which I could install or rebuild packages? Or, backports?
[20:39] <reisio> chmac: well you can do that with separate files...
[20:39] <chmac> reisio: But so they behave slightly differently on different systems
[20:39] <Elesa> usr13, well, it looks like the file is playing but there is no sound from the speakers
[20:39] <Ben64> Genyar: it's really not that difficult
[20:39] <traplin> wilee-nilee: yeah its on automatically connect when this wireless network is avaliable?
[20:40] <Genyar> yes, it is very hard
[20:40] <Ben64> no, it isn't
[20:40] <chmac> reisio: Yeah, I could source .aliases and .path from .zprofile and .profile, probably easiest
[20:40] <reisio> chmac: mmm, okay
[20:40] <wilee-nilee> bandit22, http://handytutorial.com/move-window-buttons-to-right-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04/
[20:40] <chmac> reisio: Thanks a lot for the brainstorming, I appreciate it
[20:40] <reisio> chmac: based on which system?
[20:40] <Genyar> I've been trying to get the drive to work for about 2 months now
[20:40] <reisio> chmac: I think I'd use $HOSTNAME
[20:40] <umar343_fb> check the speakers by conencting them to a battery
[20:40] <reisio> chmac: that's basically the "computer name"
[20:40] <reisio> it's the most straightforward choice, IMO
[20:40] <Elesa> umar343_fb, it's laptop speakers :(
[20:40] <umar343_fb> if it does not work you must install an anti-virus or contact ur local cyber police.
[20:41] <Ben64> Genyar: well you're not doing it properly. if you would just provide the information we're asking for, it'd be done already
[20:41] <chmac> reisio: Yeah, but I have maybe a dozen ubuntu hosts, so $HOSTNAME is not so unique in that sense
[20:41] <Elesa> ...
[20:41] <umar343_fb> or study hardware of ur computer.
[20:41] <bandit22> thanks i'll try that
[20:41] <wilee-nilee> traplin, This on the desktop that was there when you installed?
[20:41] <geirha> chmac: I don't know why uname -a was suggested, but hopefully you read the manual and found uname -s
[20:41] <Adie> hi
[20:41] <Adie> is ubuntu good yet?
[20:41] <Genyar> it's impossible to do live screen shots during installation, I had to use my camera
[20:41] <umar343_fb> open ur laptop
[20:41] <traplin> wilee-nilee:  i don't understand? this is a fresh installation. did it today.
[20:41] <chmac> geirha: Neat, that would do the trick nicely, thanks
[20:41] <umar343_fb> and get the speakers out.
[20:41] <wilee-nilee> Adie, This is support.
[20:41] <Rory> !best | adie
[20:41] <Ben64> Genyar: thats fine, cameras work
[20:42] <Muhammad_> Dr_Willis: Upgrading. Thanks
[20:42] <Adie> wilee-nilee, has the number of people searching for support recently gone up unproportionally with the userbase?
[20:42] <Adie> :D
[20:42] <Muhammad_> Dr_Willis: Which of them is better? Contributing to Ubuntu or contributing to FreeBSD?
[20:42] <geirha> case $(uname -s) in Darwin) macstuff...;; Linux) case $(lsb_release -si) in Ubuntu) ...etc
[20:42] <wilee-nilee> traplin, Cool, many of us have multiple desktops is why I mention that, so the wireless works but you get a popup right?
[20:42] <reisio> chmac: it should be :p
[20:43] <reisio> chmac: but if they're not that unique, then why would you really need to do things differently with regard to your shell?
[20:43] <gavin_> hi, does anyone know how to install video card drivers?
[20:43] <traplin> wilee-nilee: yeah, it works now without a password. with a password on the wireless network, it endlessly prompts me
[20:43] <bekks> Genyar: You did not even start the installation to take pictures. So I am resting that case.
[20:43] <Genyar> the screen shots are too dark
[20:43] <wilee-nilee> Adie, Not a support topic try #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:43] <chmac> reisio: It's the difference between my osx laptop and my ubuntu servers
[20:43] <chmac> reisio: Would be simple if I'd only stick to bash on osx ;-)
[20:43] <Adie> wilee-nilee, can you help me make ubuntu more like it was in april 2010?
[20:43] <wilee-nilee> traplin, YOu sure you have the password set to wep or wpa correctly
[20:44] <reisio> chmac: why not just use the same sh on all of them?
[20:44] <traplin> wilee-nilee: i do indeed, wpa 2 personal
[20:44] <wilee-nilee> Adie, YOu want gnome 2 right?
[20:44] <Elesa> can anyone help me with my laptop speakers? they aren't working, but headphones do
[20:44] <reisio> chmac: anyways, you could just check if the hostname is that of your laptop, or ANYTHING ELSE
[20:44] <umar343_fb> once u have tested th espeakers browse online for reveting the speakers from getting damaged.
[20:44] <reisio> Elesa: what laptop?
[20:44] <Adie> wilee-nilee, no
[20:44] <jhutchins> Elesa: Plugged into the same jack
[20:44] <Adie> I want things to work
[20:44] <chmac> reisio: Yeah, thought about that, but like the idea of Darwin vs Linux, makes it more portable
[20:44] <umar343_fb> *preventing=reveting
[20:45] <wilee-nilee> Adie, Then be clearer that ubuntu in 2010
[20:45] <chmac> reisio: I have a friend whining at me to share dotfiles on github… :-)
[20:45] <wilee-nilee> than*
[20:45] <wilee-nilee> traplin, Not sure really.
[20:45] <jhutchins> Elesa: Plugged into the same jack?
[20:45] <chmac> Ooh, if is different on zsh / bash, so I guess I'll stick to separate files included from .zprofile / .profile
[20:45] <Elesa> reisio, it's a Toshiba Satellite C645-SP4011L
[20:45] <reisio> chmac: mmm, a bash config or zsh config that plays with its other shell counterpart doesn't sound more portable to me :p
[20:46] <Elesa> jhutchins, umm, I'm talking about the integrated speakers on my laptop
[20:46] <reisio> Elesa: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto particularly the bit about specifying a model
[20:46] <chmac> reisio: I'm thinking to have a .aliases file which gets called from both, and possibly a .path file likewise
[20:46] <Genyar> http://imagebin.org/271034
[20:46] <chmac> reisio: Seems fairly portable, my aliases all go into .aliases, which is standard, and likewise my .path
[20:46] <Elesa> reisio, OK!
[20:46] <reisio> chmac: I guess that'd be alright :)
[20:46] <chmac> Here's a question though, any issue to have a non existent directory in $PATH ?
[20:47] <chmac> Seems not according to a quick test...
[20:47] <bekks> chmac: No issue.
[20:47] <chmac> bekks: Thanks
[20:48] <chmac> Ooh, I'm glad I tried here before #ubuntu-server, it's normally so busy on here can't get a word in edgeways… :-)
[20:48] <UrielVigilant> There is a guy on you tube, talking about Melchior aplication that is able to save all modification on a usb bootable ubuntu system, but i cant find. somebody heard before about it ?
[20:48] <chmac> Sunday nights is obviously the best time to be bash hacking! :-)
[20:48] <jhutchins> chmac: I think they're both *Posix compliant, and they're from similar roots, but there are differences.
[20:48] <gavin__> hi
[20:49] <reisio> hi gav
[20:49] <UrielVigilant> i cant find Melchior nowhere.
[20:49] <gavin__> computer crashed, does anyone know how to install the video card?
[20:49] <gavin__> I mean video card driver?
[20:49] <gavin__> hello
[20:50] <reisio> gavin_: yup, for what card?
[20:50] <Genyar> http://imagebin.org/271035
[20:50] <gavin__> reisio, do you mean the brand name of the card? its nvidia
[20:51] <Genyar> See Bekks, I told you the screen shots would be a waste of time!!
[20:51] <bekks> Genyar: I am resting your case. Maybe someone else still has the patience to help you.
[20:52] <Genyar> I kept telling you over and over, the problem is always the root file system
[20:52] <alex_>  /ignore -channels #mwsf * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
[20:52] <Genyar> NO ROOT FILE SYSTEM IS DEFINED
[20:52] <Ben64> Genyar: then define one
[20:52] <k1l> Genyar: no need for caps
[20:52] <alex_> hey guys, do you know how to disable "xxx has join/left" messages in irssi ?
[20:52] <Genyar> I can't do that without it recognizing my hard drive
[20:53] <occ> then make it recognize it
[20:53] <Ben64> alex_: probably like that, but without the space before the /
[20:53] <alex_> will try
[20:53] <Genyar> I've tried everything and nothing works
[20:53] <Genyar> I've been doing this for two months
[20:53] <Ben64> you've not tried everything
[20:53] <bekks> Genyar: It has been more than one hour now that we are waiting for two simple commands to be pastebin'ed. Do you really expect I still want to help you further?
[20:54] <Genyar> I already posted all my screen shots
[20:54] <Genyar> the rest of them are from BIOS
[20:54] <bekks> Which did not contain the output of the two commands requested.
[20:54] <bekks> So: I dont care anymore.
[20:55] <gavin__> reisio, how do i install the graphics video driver? my video driver is NVIDIA
[20:55] <belkinsa> Is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ loading slowly for anyone?
[20:55] <lmnsqshr> belkinsa, works fine for me
[20:55] <k1l> belkinsa: its fine here
[20:55] <bekks> belkinsa: Pretty fine here.
[20:55] <belkinsa> Huh, thanks.
[20:56] <UrielVigilant> I think this Melchior app its the biggest lyes on Ubunt World community, maybe..
[20:56] <Genyar> Instead of spending another hour getting my screen shots from my camera, I'll just tell you, they will all show the same words:  No root file system defined
[20:56] <belkinsa> But can you get to other pages within?
[20:56] <reisio> gavin__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[20:56] <Ben64> Genyar: no they don'
[20:56] <Ben64> Sep 15 2013 12:53:23 <Dr_WiLlIs>	Genyar:  does 'sudo blkid' and 'sudo fdisk -l' show the hard drive?
[20:56] <bekks> Genyar: Nothing more to say from my side.
[20:56] <Ben64> neither of those say "no root file system defined"
[20:56] <Genyar> everything else in the installatin works fine
[20:56] <k1l> !find melchior
[20:56] <VRazvan> hi all
[20:56] <belkinsa> Never mind, now it loads.
[20:57] <reisio> hi
[20:57] <Genyar> evertyhing works until I get to "Prepare Partitions"
[20:57] <k1l> !package melchior
[20:57] <VRazvan> anyone have patience to help a noob?
[20:57] <Ben64> Genyar: pastebin those two things
[20:57] <Genyar> the screen shots would show that, there's nothing uselful in the screen shots
[20:57] <Ben64> Genyar: like you were asked 64 minutes ago
[20:57] <k1l> UrielVigilant: that is not a official ubuntu package, is it?
[20:58] <gavin__> reisio, i tried following the tutorial but i am still confused
[20:58] <UrielVigilant> i found on yuo tube, but i cant found anywhre to download and install now
[20:58] <Genyar> I have more screen shots, but I can't find them
[20:58] <gavin__> reisio, are you able to walk me through instead?
[20:58] <reisio> gavin__: about what?
[20:58] <Ben64> Genyar: pastebin the two things requested or this will never work
[20:59] <alex_> @Ben64: it works! thanks!
[20:59] <Ben64> alex_:  :D
[20:59] <k1l> UrielVigilant: then ask the YT video creator. its not in the official ubuntu repos.
[20:59] <reisio> UrielVigilant: melchior?
[20:59] <gavin__> reisio, about installing it, they all say ATI but my video driver is nvidia
[21:00] <Genyar> You already saw all my screen shots from athe sintallation of kubuntu 12.04
[21:00] <Ben64> Genyar: screenshots are NOT pastebins
[21:00] <reisio> Genyar: you can read this message right here, right?
[21:00] <Genyar> the screen shots go into the pastebins
[21:00] <reisio> Genyar: can you read this msg?
[21:00] <Genyar> ten i post them here
[21:00] <Ben64> no! pastebin is text! screenshots are pictures! text and pictures are not the same!
[21:01] <gavin__> reisio, i have installed fresh ubuntu, the thing is, i hover the mouse over to the menu bar on the left hand side and it keeps crashing and also goes all stripy
[21:01] <VRazvan> come guys, pls help a noob a bit
[21:01] <reisio> VRazvan: ?
[21:01] <Genyar> http://imagebin.org/271035
[21:01] <reisio> gavin__: could try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[21:01] <Genyar> that's an image
[21:01] <UrielVigilant> The idea is good one, we can use Ubuntu running from  ausb pen drive, and make changes to the system installing or removing and saving, then next time we have all thing like we save , instead of create a costumized usb , one time and another ..
[21:01] <reisio> Genyar: so you can't actually read anyone's messages
[21:01] <VRazvan> for some reason i can't install flashplayer and because of that my webcam can't be activated same the mic
[21:01] <Ben64> Genyar: thats still not a pastebin, and still not the commands we want
[21:01] <k1l> gavin__: did "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current" not work?
[21:02] <reisio> UrielVigilant: plenty of existing apps for that
[21:02] <Genyar> you have to click on the link to see the screen shot
[21:02] <reisio> VRazvan: what happens when you try to install it?
[21:02] <UrielVigilant> tell me on Reisio
[21:02] <Genyar> its an imageBin
[21:02] <k1l> Genyar: forget about the pictures.
[21:02] <reisio> UrielVigilant: unetbootin
[21:02] <Genyar> Left click on the link, and you will see the screen shot
[21:02] <k1l> Genyar: just give the text output they requested into a pastebin and show the link here.
[21:02] <Ben64> you know what, i give up too
[21:02] <VRazvan> ohh it acted like is instaled, i mean the install went ok
[21:03] <reisio> Ben64: no patience :p
[21:03] <VRazvan> but when i go on any site where i need the flashplayer is not working
[21:03] <VRazvan> as example games from fb
[21:03] <Genyar> it's not text, al the screen shots are JPEG images
[21:03] <Ben64> reisio: feel free to try
[21:03] <VRazvan> or sites for testing the webcam
[21:03] <reisio> VRazvan: what's this say? http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html
[21:03] <lmnsqshr> Genyar, that's the problem! We need TEXT, not images
[21:03] <k1l> Genyar: they reqeusted some commands that produce text output.
[21:03] <VRazvan> that tab from flasyplayer appier but i can't push on allow
[21:03] <reisio> Ben64: I'm not convinced he can even read messages
[21:04] <reisio> Ben64: there has been no indication so far that he can
[21:04] <Genyar> I can text here, not in the imageBin
[21:04] <UrielVigilant> you did not understood. Iam using Unebootin, ubuntu 10.x ,always i  run it i have to install flashplayer, aps, keybord definitions and more.I already know by you guy that i can creat a personalizaed version, but that not the same thing if we could make this alive, saving modificanton on line  doesn it ?
[21:04] <reisio> I don't think he's even talking to anyone
[21:04] <k1l> Genyar: that is why you should use a pastebin and not a imagebin
[21:04] <Genyar> How do you post text on the image bin links you sent me?
[21:04] <VRazvan> 11.2.202.310
[21:04] <k1l> !pastebin | Genyar
[21:04] <reisio> UrielVigilant: what app are you talking about?
[21:04] <VRazvan> Linux 3.2.0-53-generic-pae (32-bit)
[21:04] <gavin__> k1l, that still doing the same thing
[21:05] <UrielVigilant> Melchior , check on you tube please
[21:05] <UrielVigilant> i can put the link here
[21:05] <reisio> check on youtube...
[21:05] <reisio> you'll have to, since 'melchior' is a terribly non-unique name
[21:05] <k1l> UrielVigilant: just make a "persistent usb system". no need for that special app you want
[21:05] <k1l> gavin__: what "same thing"?
[21:06] <UrielVigilant> iam nwebiie so that special one app will be perect one for me.
[21:06] <reisio> UrielVigilant: you said
[21:06] <gavin__> k1l, when i hover my mouse over, it still crashes and goes stripy
[21:06] <VRazvan> so it seems is installed but is not working
[21:06] <Ben64> UrielVigilant: 10.04 is no longer supported on desktops
[21:06] <k1l> UrielVigilant: forget that. persistent install is the official way
[21:07] <k1l> UrielVigilant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[21:07] <UrielVigilant> So if i simlpy download the ultimate Ubunto Iso , and burn it on a USb , it will come with the latest flash ?
[21:08] <k1l> UrielVigilant: ask the ultimate ubuntu support. that is not an official ubuntu
[21:08] <Genyar> Okay, here is the text output....
[21:08] <Genyar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6112304/
[21:08] <VRazvan> reisio: how can i pm u?
[21:09] <bekks> Genyar: thats not the commands we asked for.
[21:09] <VRazvan> found it
[21:09] <UrielVigilant> Ubuntu 13 comes with flash player ?
[21:09] <Genyar> the live installation gets me no where, I already tried everything, the real solution lies in the konsole commands using unix
[21:09] <Ben64> UrielVigilant: i don't think it does by default
[21:10] <Genyar> is that what you want, the konsole text output?
[21:10] <Ben64> Genyar: just pastebin the commands that you were asked to. over an hour ago. or else we cannot help you ever.
[21:10] <Ben64> Genyar: and this is linux, not unix
[21:10] <bekks> Genyar: No. We wanted the output of two specific commands.
[21:10] <gavin__> k1l: i tried installing the nvidia current driver but the left menu bar still goes stripy
[21:10] <gavin__> and crashes
[21:10] <Genyar> What commands, the only commands I ever used were on the konsole?
[21:11] <Genyar> Name the commands, if you please
[21:11] <usr13> Genyar: I think what they want is  "sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit"  Right bekks?
[21:11] <reisio> and /sbin/blkid
[21:11] <Ben64> Sep 15 2013 12:53:23 <Dr_WiLlIs>	Genyar:  does 'sudo blkid' and 'sudo fdisk -l' show the hard drive?
[21:11] <usr13> Genyar: And  "sudo blkid | pastebinit
[21:12] <reisio> well that wasn't redundant
[21:12] <bekks> usr13: Thats the first one, the second one was sudo blkid.
[21:12] <Ben64> 79 minutes ago now
[21:12] <usr13> He's new... so....
[21:12] <VRazvan> can anyone help me fix my webcam and flash player? pls
[21:12] <reisio> so you want to inundate him with words :p
[21:12] <usr13> I've been gone for a while, I'm not as frustrated :)
[21:12] <reisio> VRazvan: what's the problem?
[21:12] <bekks> usr13: We keep telling him for 80 minutes now, every few minutes.
[21:13] <VRazvan> i pmed u reisio
[21:13] <bekks> usr13: I dont care about whatever the output may be anymore.
[21:13] <reisio> yes, you PM'd me and said it didn't work
[21:13] <Genyar> I don't have two of those characters on my keyboard
[21:13] <Genyar> one looks like an "L"
[21:13] <Genyar> a small "L"
[21:13] <reisio> :)
[21:13] <Ben64> its called "pipe" its shift + \
[21:13] <usr13> Genyar: It is the pipe   |
[21:14] <Genyar> I don't tink i have a pipe on my keyboard
[21:14] <usr13> Genyar: Uppercase from the \
[21:14] <reisio> you probably don't have pastebinit, either, though :)
[21:14] <gavin__> hi
[21:14] <Genyar> what bout that lower case "L" that's a weird character, looks more like a 7
[21:14] <reisio> gavin__: hi
[21:14] <usr13> Genyar: No
[21:14] <reisio> time for a new font, methinks
[21:15] <gavin__> reisio, im still having issues after installing the video card for my current graphics driver
[21:15] <reisio> gavin__: same issues?
[21:15] <Genyar> That weird "L" character is not on my keyboard, I have a U.S. international key baord map
[21:15] <VRazvan> well when i try to go on settings with rigght click
[21:15] <gavin__> i'm still facing the issue with the menu bar crashing and goes all stripy
[21:15] <Ben64> Genyar: which one are you referring to
[21:15] <VRazvan> is not working
[21:15] <Genyar> is it a lower case "L"?
[21:15] <usr13> Genyar: Hold down the Shift key and hit  \
[21:15] <reisio> Genyar: yes
[21:15] <VRazvan> and also on webcam test sites
[21:15] <reisio> it looks like 'l', doesn't it?
[21:16] <Genyar> no, that's pipe
[21:16] <VRazvan> it won't let me push allow
[21:16] <reisio> when things are the same, they're the same
[21:16] <Genyar> I got pipe, |
[21:16] <usr13> Genyar: No, it is not a lower case L
[21:16] <reisio> Genyar: a pipe is a pipe
[21:16] <usr13> Genyar: Yes, you do.
[21:16] <reisio> and l is an l
[21:16] <reisio> VRazvan: okay
[21:16] <Genyar> but I don't got that lower case "L":....l
[21:16] <reisio> VRazvan: make your flash applet fullscreen
[21:16] <usr13> Genyar: sudo blkid | pastebinit
[21:16] <reisio> VRazvan: then exit fullscreen, then try again
[21:16] <gavin__> reisio, the thing is, the menu bar crashes and goes stripy
[21:16] <Genyar> sory, i got it>......l
[21:16] <usr13> Genyar: sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit  #And send URL
[21:17] <Genyar> ok, I'll do it right now....
[21:17] <Ben64> after thats done do --- sudo blkid | pastebinit
[21:18] <usr13> ... and send resulting URL
[21:18] <Genyar> pastebinit....command not found
[21:18] <usr13> Genyar: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[21:18] <VRazvan> i have no option to go fullscreen
[21:18]  * reisio predicts future
[21:19] <reisio> VRazvan: try it at youtube, then
[21:19]  * wilee-nilee loans reisio his Carnac cap
[21:19] <Genyar> E: unable to locate package pastebinit
[21:19] <reisio> :p
[21:19] <gavin__> reisio, is there a way to fix it?
[21:20]  * reisio looks at sprunge.us
[21:20] <VRazvan> is the same
[21:20] <usr13> Genyar: What version are you using?
[21:20] <VRazvan> still not allow me to push/click on tabs
[21:20] <usr13> Genyar: Is this PC online?  Or not?
[21:20] <Genyar> user@debian
[21:20] <Genyar> no
[21:20] <Genyar> offline
[21:20] <Genyar> I'm using a Windows Pc online now
[21:20] <usr13> Genyar: Ok, well get it online and try again.
[21:20] <Genyar> If I do that, then we can't talk
[21:21] <Ben64> you can't have more than one computer online?
[21:21] <Genyar> No
[21:21] <Genyar> only one modom cord
[21:21] <Ben64> then do "sudo fdisk -l" and "sudo blkid" and type it all into pastebin.com
[21:21] <usr13> Genyar: Ok, well, maybe you can just go to  | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add |
[21:21] <usr13> Genyar: Ok, well, maybe you can just go to  | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add |
[21:22] <usr13> And type it in
[21:22] <Genyar> that could take a while
[21:22] <usr13> Sorry wong one.
[21:22] <lmnsqshr> Genyar, or take a picture and upload it
[21:22] <rsvp> is there a command to show the version of Ubuntu installed ???
[21:22] <usr13> Gnurdux: use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[21:22] <reisio> rsvp: cat /etc/*release*
[21:22] <Ben64> Genyar: or yeah, take a picture of the resulting text
[21:22] <Genyar> I'll have to use my camera to do that
[21:23] <VRazvan> reisio: on the flasplayer window i can't press on allow or other tabs like camera tab and mic tab
[21:23] <fanda5> hello
[21:23] <usr13> Gnurdux: Ok, then just go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[21:23] <reisio> VRazvan: you said
[21:23] <reisio> fanda5: hi
[21:24] <Gnurdux> usr13: tab completion is betraying you :P
[21:24] <Gnurdux> i think you're trying to talk to Genyar
[21:24] <usr13> Gnurdux: Yea, I messed up.
[21:24] <reisio> usr13: one more and you're out!
[21:24] <usr13> Gnurdux: Go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation and follow instructions.
[21:25] <Ben64> usr13: wrong again, and following instructions is not his forte
[21:25] <usr13> Genyar: Go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation and follow instructions.
[21:25] <usr13> Sorry.....
[21:25] <Ben64> there may be a problem with the hard drive, but its been 92 minutes and we still don't have a pastebin
[21:26] <VRazvan> reisio: on the flasplayer window i can't press on allow or other tabs like camera tab and mic tab
[21:26] <wylde> VRazvan: that's been a known problem for some time. Go to http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager03.html to manage those settings :)
[21:27] <reisio> VRazvan: you said
[21:27] <Genyar> I typed sudo fdisk -l, then screenshot it with cam, so what do I type next?
[21:27] <rsvp> reisio: thanks for your quick response -- it works great. As a reward, here a free VM Ubuntu box via terminal on any browser: https://koding.com/?r=rsvp  -- Enjoy!
[21:27] <reisio> Genyar: /sbin/blkid
[21:27] <Ben64> Genyar: do "sudo blkid" , screenshot that, and upload both somewhere
[21:27] <reisio> rsvp: :)
[21:27]  * reisio is rewarded
[21:28] <m_tadeu> how can I change the default guest account settings?
[21:30] <wilee-nilee> m_tadeu, Like?
[21:30] <Genyar> Ok, I sypted sudo fdisk -l, then "sudo blkid", so I got a screen shot of them both, right?
[21:30] <usr13> Genyar: Good
[21:30] <Genyar> now I'll downlaod them here into mthis PC
[21:31] <m_tadeu> wilee-nilee: like available apps, desktop effects, etc
[21:32] <wilee-nilee> m_tadeu, try looking here. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=change+the+default+guest+account+settings
[21:33] <VRazvan> wylde: http://imageshack.com/scaled/800x600/856/aetb.png
[21:33] <VRazvan> see that flashplayer window, it appier but is not clickable
[21:33] <VRazvan> it won't let me click on allow to activate the webcam and microfon
[21:34] <wylde> VRazvan: folow the link I posted and allow that website access from there. Do NOT right click on the flash "area". Then reload your test page.
[21:34] <Genyar> okay, I'll post the screen shots here......
[21:35] <vlt> Hello. my alsa device I want to playback with mplayer is called "default:CARD=K6" by `aplay -L`. I tried "-ao alsa:device=default:CARD=K6" but I get "Could not parse arguments at the position indicated below:" (points to the capital "C"). I changed ":" to "=" but still the device isn't found. Any idea?
[21:35] <vlt> Or how can I make it my alsa default device?
[21:35] <Genyar> uh, send me a link to pastebin here, please
[21:35] <nimbiotics> Do you guys know about a channel to ask noob questions about html with bootstrap?
[21:36] <gordonjcp> nimbiotics: #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[21:36] <Genyar> I need a link to paste bin
[21:36] <wylde> !paste | Genyar
[21:36] <reisio> nimbiotics: /msg alis list *bootstrap*
[21:36] <usr13> http://imagebin.org/?page=add
[21:36] <Genyar> yues imag bin
[21:36] <VRazvan> wylde: i set on allways allow for http://www.testwebcam.com/
[21:36] <usr13> paste.ubuntu.com
[21:36] <VRazvan> and still the same thing as u seen in the earlyer screenshot
[21:37] <nimbiotics> reisio: thanks!
[21:37] <nimbiotics>  /msg alis list *bootstrap*
[21:37] <Genyar> oh, only one image......
[21:37] <usr13> Genyar: You could have typed the information into paste.ubuntu.com about 40 or 50 times by now.
[21:38] <Genyar> http://imagebin.org/271038
[21:38] <nimbiotics>  /msg alist list *bootstrap*
[21:38] <Genyar> I almost copied the wrong image, had to do it over,, sorry
[21:38] <wylde> VRazvan: only suggestion I have then is to close your browser, empty the cache and try your page again. Beyond that I have no other ideas.
[21:38] <usr13> Genyar: But if you would just get the PC you are working on connected to the internet, it could be done in an instant.
[21:38] <rsvp> nimbiotics: there is a new social coding site with bootstrap fans: https://koding.com/?r=rsvp  will also get you a free virtual machine for testing code in a Ubuntu sandbox.
[21:38] <reisio> Genyar: and what's the problem again?
[21:38] <VRazvan> well i did that before to come here and ask for help
[21:39] <bekks> reisio: He doesnt see a disk to install on - he is using a fasttrack fake raid controller.
[21:39] <bekks> reisio: He didnt tell us that detail until now.
[21:39] <usr13> Genyar: So just disconnect from the machine you are on now, go to the target PC, get it connected and continue from there.  Okay?  (Much easier....)
[21:39] <Genyar> yeah, i could, but I would probably have to use KDE Partition Manager and I doubt Quassel will work off the live CD
[21:39] <wylde> VRazvan: since changing your settings on the link I posted?
[21:39] <nimbiotics> rsvp: nice! thanks a lot!
[21:39] <reisio> bekks: :)
[21:39] <Genyar> I doubt Quassel would work off the live KDE CD
[21:40] <wylde> Genyar: it does
[21:40] <VRazvan> yea
[21:40] <usr13> Genyar: What is   Quassel?
[21:40] <wylde> usr13: kde irc client
[21:40] <Genyar> that's the IRC portal I used to get here when I was using Kubuntu
[21:40] <usr13> (I just use irssi .. Ok...)
[21:40] <rsvp> nimbiotics:  hope you enjoy it. My username is rsvp over there, so hmu.
[21:40] <Genyar> I'm on a Windows PC now
[21:40] <usr13> Genyar: Ok. Well, if it works, use it.
[21:40] <Nedman> eurgh windows
[21:41] <Rory> Genyar: Why do you doubt Quassel would work off the LiveCD? ANyway you can always use http://webchat.freenode.net
[21:41] <usr13> Genyar: If you ditch the Windows PC, you might be able to get something done.
[21:41] <Genyar> I don't have KDE booted up on my linux PC now
[21:41] <nimbiotics> rsvp: sure will, looks N.E.A.T.!!
[21:41] <nimbiotics> rsvp, reisio: Thanks again and God bless you
[21:41] <Marlenee> missing moudels in installing proxychains - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6112431/
[21:41] <Genyar> I used the konsole from GParted
[21:41] <usr13> Genyar: Ok.
[21:41] <Rory> !details | Marlenee
[21:41] <Genyar> I'mm on the konsole still with my linux PC
[21:41] <gavin__> does anyone know how to fix the crashing and going stripy on the menu bar?
[21:42] <Genyar> http://imagebin.org/271038
[21:42] <Genyar> Was this screen shot helpful?
[21:42] <Nedman> Can someone please tell me where i find webcam settings on ubuntu as my skype isnt recognising there is a webcam on my Acer laptop....
[21:43] <Rory> !webcam | Nedman
[21:43] <wylde> Nedman: check the skype settings. 'ls -l /dev/video*' will list detected video devices eg. /dev/video0
[21:43] <usr13> Genyar: Ok, so you have a 500G HD with no partitions.  The installer's partitioning tool will work fine to creat partitions.  How much RAM do you have?
[21:44] <Nedman> thank you, i will try both of those suggestions...
[21:44] <Genyar> 1536 MB of RAM
[21:45] <usr13> Genyar: Create a swap partition 4G Create a partition for /  35G  Create a partition for /home/  and just use the rest of the drive for it.
[21:45] <Genyar> No, the installer's partitioning toold won't recognize my hard drive
[21:45] <usr13> Genyar: And do the install.
[21:45] <bekks> usr13: HE is using a promise fake raid controller which isnt recognized by the installer.
[21:45] <bekks> usr13: That can be seen in the blkid output.
[21:45] <usr13> bekks: Oh
[21:45] <bekks> usr13: He didnt tell us until now.
[21:45] <Genyar> I can't do any partitioining with the installer
[21:45] <wylde> Genyar: you can partition from the live cd then reuse the created partitions in the installer....
[21:46] <Genyar> I already tried that wylde, didn't work
[21:46] <Genyar> I triede it about 25 times actually
[21:46] <usr13> bekks: Oh yea, I see now..... ok
[21:46] <Marlenee> Rory : the install log in the paste say there missing moudels
[21:46] <Marlenee> ibproxychains.pp -c libproxychains.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libproxychains.o
[21:46] <Marlenee> libproxychains.c:291:5: error: conflicting types for 'getnameinfo'
[21:46] <Genyar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6112304/
[21:47] <Genyar> What about formatting to ExFat, then Ext4, before trying another install?
[21:48] <Rory> Marlenee: It looks like it's a bug in the upstream when compiling for x64 - take a look at this forum post which shows you how to edit the offending source code to allow it to compile correctly https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=964665#p964665
[21:48] <Genyar> Oh yeah, when I had supuuser status, I was able to delete the whole hard disk, but it still didn't help the isntallation process
[21:49] <Genyar> I also tried the follwing command several times, and got some interesting results:...........
[21:49] <k1l> Genyar: better you ask the debian support if you want to install debian
[21:49] <Genyar> .........rm -rf *
[21:50] <reisio> classic
[21:50] <bekks> -.-
[21:50] <occ> Gayren
[21:50] <co-XZist> hey hey..quick question...How can I tell which version of syslinux I have installed ?
[21:50] <reisio> doesn't trolling like that take a lot of time? :p
[21:50] <Genyar> It tried to delete all the directories but kept saying there's already a root directory and would always refuse permissin to delatte anything
[21:50] <co-XZist> typing syslinux only brings up a usage list
[21:50] <Rory> Genyar: Can you fill me in on your problem, all on one line?
[21:50] <Genyar> when I typed "rm -rf *"
[21:51] <reisio> co-XZist: syslinux -v
[21:51] <k1l> Genyar: stop spoiling the support channel. troll somewhere else
[21:51] <reisio> Genyar: nah, it didn't say that
[21:51] <co-XZist> reisio: I tried that... I still only get the usage list
[21:51] <lmnsqshr> Genyar, aren't you in the /root dir as default? so when you type in rm -rf * you deleted /root/*
[21:52] <Genyar> I can't install any unix based OSs on my hard drive, because my root file system is not defined and the installatin live CD, Kubuntu 12.04 won't recognize my hard drive for partitioning
[21:52] <Genyar> yes I did
[21:52] <Genyar> I was in the root directory when I did it
[21:52] <wylde> co-XZist: try syslinux --version then?
[21:52] <Genyar> It kept failing, but I think it worked once
[21:52] <co-XZist> wylde: samething :(
[21:52] <k1l> Genyar: come back if you really use kubuntu and not a debian system
[21:53] <Genyar> what is debian?
[21:53] <kostkon> !debian
[21:53] <UserError> Genyar
[21:53] <UserError> cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda
[21:53] <k1l> enough spoiling from that troll.
[21:54] <UserError> ??
[21:54] <bekks> UserError: cat is the slowest solution. better use dd with a block size of the size of the cache of the disk.
[21:54] <UserError> ^^^
[21:54] <UserError> this
[21:55] <reisio> co-XZist: dpkg -l | grep -i syslinux ?
[21:55] <joris> So, I kinda removed my volume regulator at the top bar. Does anyone know how to get it back?
[21:56] <kostkon> !info indicator-sound | joris, this?:
[21:56] <minuswell> weather
[21:57] <joris> I executed "sudo apt-get autoremove pulseaudio" and I noticed my volume button has gone.
[21:57] <kostkon> joris, oh dear...
[21:57] <kostkon> joris, why did you remove pulseaudio
[21:57] <joris> Because it was giving me issues. Now is there a way to undo that?
[21:58] <kostkon> joris, reinstall pulseaudio?
[21:58] <traplin> whenver i apply display sittings (with dual monitors) i get a timeout, and this: required virtual size does not fit available size: requested=(1600, 600), minimum=(320, 200), maximum=(1440, 1440)
[21:58] <joris> already did that. It didn't bring the applet back.
[21:58] <kostkon> joris, sudo apt-get install indicator-sound
[22:00] <joris> "indicator-sound is already the newest version"
[22:00] <wilee-nilee> joris, Logout then back in
[22:00] <_cha0z> hi accidentaly enabled all programs icons to be shown in taskbar. how i can remove them?
[22:00] <wilee-nilee> _cha0z, What desktop?
[22:01] <_cha0z> wilee-nilee, ubuntu latest unity
[22:01] <_cha0z> and i removed my history so to undo my action
[22:01] <kostkon> joris, after reinstalling pulseaudio did you log out
[22:01] <wilee-nilee> _cha0z, How did you enable them, and is this the top panel?
[22:01] <kostkon> joris, and logged back in
[22:01] <joris_> all  done. That did the trick. Thank you. :)
[22:01] <kostkon> joris_, np
[22:02] <joris_> Bye people.
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> _cha0z, YOu can right click the left panel icons and remove.
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> some anyway
[22:03] <_cha0z> wilee-nilee, not these! i am talking about the top right bar!
[22:03] <wilee-nilee> _cha0z, How did you add them?
[22:03] <kostkon> _cha0z, whiat kind of icons exactly
[22:03] <_cha0z> wilee-nilee, i dont remember the command ( i enabled to show all the running apps!)
[22:03] <wilee-nilee> _cha0z, This the panel or a dropdown?
[22:03] <_cha0z> kostkon i mean xchat, truecrypt!
[22:03] <_cha0z> wilee-nilee, panel
[22:04] <kostkon> _cha0z, oh you set all to the indicator whitelist?
[22:04] <wilee-nilee> _cha0z, Not sure I don't use unity
[22:04] <kostkon> _cha0z, to show all the gnome tray icons
[22:04] <_cha0z> kostkon, yes! i need to select only some
[22:04] <_cha0z> kostkon, also i want to delete skype from this panel
[22:05] <_cha0z> what is the default value for this parameter?
[22:05] <kostkon> _cha0z, then insteast of all, put the app names you want
[22:05] <_cha0z> kostkon i dont remember the command to change this option
[22:06] <chocwise> Hi there. I've got a problem with Compiz. I can't seem to deactivate the Grid plugin.
[22:06] <chocwise> When I click the checkbox in CCSM it gets unchecked. But as soon as I start CCSM again Grid is activated again.
[22:06] <wylde> _cha0z: try the up arrow in terminal ;)
[22:06] <_cha0z> wylde i have erased my history as i said :)
[22:06] <kostkon> _cha0z, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-re-enable-notification-area.html
[22:07] <_cha0z> thank u kostkon
[22:07] <chocwise> Every other plugin I can deactivate just fine it seems. Just Grid acts up.
[22:07] <wylde> _cha0z: shame
[22:07] <kostkon> _cha0z, that post will clear some things out for you
[22:07] <_cha0z> thank you kostkon, i just want to know the default value for this in order to revert
[22:07] <kostkon> _cha0z, just leave java and maybe the hp systray
[22:08] <kostkon> _cha0z, also you can use skype-wrapper for skype. You don't need its icon in the tray, you will be able to select it from the messaging menu
[22:09] <_cha0z> kostkon i had it installed but it was both in messaging menu and both in the panel :(
[22:09] <kostkon> _cha0z, the default is just to put ['JavaEmbeddedFrame', 'Mumble', 'Wine', 'hp-systray'] instead of ['all'].
[22:09] <kostkon> _cha0z, had problems with skype-wrapper?
[22:10] <_cha0z> thank you kostkon :)
[22:10] <_cha0z> yep i had problems with skype-wrapper
[22:10] <kostkon> _cha0z, actually you can remove skype's icon by removing the sni-qt package.
[22:10] <_cha0z> kostkon i have already done this and the icon is not removed! weird!
[22:11] <_cha0z> also when i installed the skype-wrapper the mail notifications of thunderbird stopped working
[22:11] <_cha0z> weird no 2 :p
[22:11] <kostkon> _cha0z, hmm yeah
[22:12] <_cha0z> kostkon i cant remove skype icon :P
[22:13] <kostkon> _cha0z, :(  try again, remove sni-qt, give it another try :P
[22:13] <_cha0z> kostkon the package is uninstalled already
[22:14] <kostkon> _cha0z, update the whitelist too, then logout and launch skype again and see what happens
[22:14] <vlt> Hello. How can I make "default:CARD=K6" the default playback device in .asoundrc?
[22:14] <kostkon> log in back and launch skype etc
[22:14] <kostkon> log back in*
[22:15] <Benkinooby> vlt: jsut at chance. are you running pulse audio?
[22:16] <vlt> Benkinooby: No! :-D
[22:16] <livelaughlearn> Hi, I bought a new usb to hdmi display for my ubuntu laptop. Whats the best method for finding the drivers for it. I have tried googling the model and ubuntu drivers with no success
[22:16] <Elguesmi> hi all
[22:16] <[FreeBSD]> vlt: http://bpaste.net/show/132733/ thats my basic asoundrc
[22:16] <kostkon> vlt, i've got bad news for you, you'll have to fiddle with conf files now :P
[22:16] <livelaughlearn> Do I just accept that some products wont be supported on ubuntu?
[22:17] <kostkon> livelaughlearn, yes
[22:17] <gordonjcp> livelaughlearn: some things with deeply weird drivers aren't
[22:17] <gordonjcp> livelaughlearn: in general they won't be much good with *any* OS
[22:17] <gordonjcp> livelaughlearn: I've found that Linux tends to have better support for hardware than say Windows
[22:18] <[FreeBSD]> really?
[22:18] <gordonjcp> like, just about everything USB I've tried using in Windows has crashed it
[22:18] <kostkon> livelaughlearn, does a usb to hdmi converter really need drivers?
[22:18] <livelaughlearn> to be specific Im using a my gica usb195a, I dont think i can find any drivers for it online, should i try just other products' driver?
[22:18] <livelaughlearn> maybe im a big noob, but its not detecting anything since i plugged it in
[22:18] <Benkinooby> vlt: is there any reason not to use it? afaik pulse audio is standard in ubuntu
[22:18] <mrrcp> how do i update libreoffice to the newest?
[22:19] <livelaughlearn> i plug it in, add the montor and see if my display setting on ubuntu can find anything
[22:19] <vlt> Benkinooby: Isn't pulse using alsa anyway?
[22:19] <gordonjcp> vlt: kind of, but at a lower level than most apps deal with
[22:19] <kostkon> vlt, yes.
[22:20] <gordonjcp> vlt: is there a specific reason you don't want to use pulse?
[22:20] <wylde> mrrcp: If the version in the official repos isn't what you want then build from source or find a ppa with the latest package.
[22:20] <kostkon> livelaughlearn, and?
[22:20] <vlt> gordonjcp: I don't know it, it's another added layer, maybe latency ...
[22:21] <mrrcp> ok
[22:21] <gordonjcp> vlt: if you require low latency, use a low latency kernel and jack
[22:21] <livelaughlearn> kostkon nothing
[22:21] <gordonjcp> vlt: what are you using audio for?
[22:21] <livelaughlearn> I have 3 displays, 1 main laptop, 2 other monitors , i want to use 2/3 excluding the laptop
[22:21] <wylde> mrrcp: http://askubuntu.com/questions/252612/how-do-i-install-libreoffice-4
[22:22] <gordonjcp> vlt: you can shave a whole millisecond off your latency by just sitting 3' closer to the speakers...
[22:22] <livelaughlearn> i have no clue what to do next :(
[22:22] <vlt> gordonjcp: Recording. Normally I'm using JACK and ardour, but on this machine it's not installed yet. I'm looking for a way to tell mpalyer which device to use.
[22:22] <kostkon> livelaughlearn, so, you connect your hdmi monitor through the converter to your laptop's usb?
[22:22] <gordonjcp> vlt: oh, just use kxstudio then
[22:23] <vlt> gordonjcp: I already did.
[22:23] <sacrelicious> hello all, having a problem, i tried to do some harddrive partitioning without really knowing what i was doing, i think i made some serious errors
[22:23] <banisterfiend> livelaughlearn that's too many displays -- your'e just showing off at that point
[22:23] <sacrelicious> in any case, i reinstalled ubuntu using the erase option, but my computer is not letting me boot into it
[22:23] <vlt> gordonjcp: my problem now is: I want to tell mplayer on that machine to use a specific alsa device. How?
[22:23] <bencc> is is possible to use 32bit php on 64bit ubuntu?
[22:23] <sacrelicious> according to my computer, i have no bootable drive
[22:23] <Somelauw> Before installing an application, is there a way to determine how much disk space it would use?
[22:23] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: why would you want that?
[22:23] <livelaughlearn> kostkon, I only want to use 2 external monitors not the main laptop. the hdmi works to hdmi, but not the usb to hdmi
[22:23] <kostkon> vlt, checked mplayers cmd options?
[22:23] <wylde> !grub | sacrelicious
[22:24] <vlt> Somelauw: aptitude will tell you
[22:24] <bencc> Eduard_Munteanu: 32bit php use much less ram
[22:24] <bencc> Eduard_Munteanu: is it possible?
[22:24] <sacrelicious> wylde, what do you mean?
[22:24] <vlt> kostkon: What do you mean? -ao alsa:device=default:CARD=K6?
[22:24] <kostkon> livelaughlearn, which one of the converters's end connects to the laptop? the usb or the hdmi plug
[22:24] <Somelauw> vlt: does it also include all dependencies and configuration files?
[22:24] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: it should be, yes. But you should try looking at the x32 ABI.
[22:25] <wylde> sacrelicious: I mean it looks like your boot manager isn't there or damaged
[22:25] <Somelauw> vlt: "Need to get 60.1 MB of archives. After unpacking 115 MB will be used." is what it says for virtualbox.
[22:25] <livelaughlearn> kostkon, thanks so far, the usb
[22:25] <[FreeBSD]> vlt: you can specify the card in mplayers config
[22:25] <sacrelicious> wylde, got it, should i just install grub through terminal to /dev/xxx?
[22:25] <vlt> Somelauw: Usually yes. Except when it's a pkg that will download and compile something from somewhere.
[22:25] <Somelauw> only got 7GB left and I need at least 5GB to stay free from trouble
[22:25] <kostkon> vlt, if there is such an option, then yes
[22:25] <livelaughlearn> kostkon http://www.mygica.com/product.asp?id=136
[22:26] <vlt> [FreeBSD]: How?
[22:26] <wylde> sacrelicious: I'd suggest doing a little reading on the second link that was posted first
[22:26] <bencc> Eduard_Munteanu: what is x32 ABI?
[22:26] <sacrelicious> thanks, will do
[22:26] <vlt> kostkon: Yes what? What does yes mean?
[22:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: it's x86-64 with 32-bit pointers.
[22:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> Not sure Ubuntu supports it though.
[22:27] <bencc> Eduard_Munteanu: how do I use it? can it help me install a 32bit php package?
[22:27] <sacrelicious> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda2
[22:27] <sacrelicious> Path `/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting.
[22:27] <wylde> you can run 32bit on 64 I do believe, but you have to have all the 32bit libs as well.
[22:27] <sacrelicious> wylde, sorry, i'm a newbie, i dont understand what any of this means
[22:28] <drfaustus> terminal is not working,what should i do?
[22:29] <kostkon> livelaughlearn, you could try this suggestion: http://askubuntu.com/a/51824/1651     hoping that the converter is displaylink compatible
[22:29] <drfaustus> the cursor is lost
[22:30] <[FreeBSD]> vlt: there might be a commented config in /etc if not try in /usr/share/doc / examples, it's the ao= option ie ao=alsa:device=hw=1.0
[22:30] <livelaughlearn> kostkon will do thanks! fingers crossed
[22:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: no, the idea was to use an x32 build, which pretty much addresses x86-64-related concerns
[22:30] <kostkon> livelaughlearn, install the package, then reboot, then check if something has changed
[22:30] <kostkon> anything*
[22:31] <kostkon> vlt, i mean i can see there is such an option, you could give it a try.
[22:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: anyway, try installing the 32bit PHP, just like with any other multiarch package
[22:32] <bencc> Eduard_Munteanu: how?
[22:32] <bencc> Eduard_Munteanu: will it work with 64bit apache?
[22:33] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: it might not
[22:34] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: how many clients do you serve, and how much memory does 64-bit PHP eat up there? It might not be a concern after all.
[22:35] <Eduard_Munteanu> IMO you shouldn't opt for x32 / x86-32 unless there's good reason to.
[22:37] <drfaustus> terminal is not working,what should i do?
[22:37] <drfaustus> the cursor is lost
[22:37] <occ> try another terminal/console emulator?
[22:37] <occ> maybe that one is bugged
[22:37] <sacrelicious> so i'm having trouble booting, i ran bootfixer and was given this output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6112608/
[22:38] <sacrelicious> any idea what the issue is? i've been working on this for a few hours...
[22:38] <drfaustus> where r the other teminals?
[22:38] <chocwise> You have to install them, drfaustus
[22:38] <occ> download any linux terminal.... i can only think of terminator of the top of my head
[22:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: this tells you what multiarch is and how to use it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiArch
[22:38] <chocwise> Open up the Software Center and search for terminal.
[22:39] <chocwise> Also you could try pressing Alt+F2 and enter the command xterm.
[22:39] <chocwise> It should be pre-installed.
[22:41] <Fyodorovna> sacrelicious, you remove the windows on purpose?
[22:41] <sacrelicious> Fyodorovna, i was trying to create a partition, but i dont think i knew what i was doing, pretty sure i screwed it up. tried to reinstall linux using the "erase" option, and now i can not boot to it
[22:42] <sacrelicious> Fyodorovna, i really don't need windows, was just going to make a small windows partition just to have it,
[22:42] <traplin> anyone?
[22:42] <Fyodorovna> [15:41] sacrelicous, that does not really answer the question.
[22:43] <sacrelicious> Fyodorovna, i did, yes, or at least tried to
, it's ok,i had 2 changr the font color
[22:43] <sacrelicious> Fyodorovna, is there a way to just format my harddrive through a live cd? i might try a fresh install
[22:43] <sacrelicious> Fyodorovna, i'm getting a GPT warning when i start Gparted, dont even know what that is
[22:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> sacrelicious: a newer partition table format
[22:45] <traplin> whenever i try change display settings (dual monitors), second monitor being used as an extension, i get an error about the size requested being too high, when it isnt? even selecting the lowest possible reso. it still gives the error
[22:45] <Dr_Willis> if you installed linux and just cant 'boot' try the boot-repair tool to try to fix the bootloader
[22:45] <Dr_Willis> !fixboot | sacrelicious
[22:45] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, I did, I was given this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6112608/
[22:45] <bencc> Eduard_Munteanu: thanks but I don't understand how to install 32bit php on 64bit ubuntu with multiarch
[22:45] <Dr_Willis> traplin:  are the monitors side by side, or above each other?
[22:46] <sacrelicious> is there a way i can just completely wipe my HD from a live CD?
[22:46] <Fyodorovna> sacrelicious, you have a uefi computer, there are work arounds, however I'm not up on these, I would have left the windows myself
[22:46] <traplin> Dr_Willis: they are side by side?
[22:46] <kostkon> bencc, usually, it's apt-get install pacakge_name:i386
[22:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: you just do  apt-get install php5:i386   or whatever it is named
[22:46] <[FreeBSD]> sacrelicious: yes
[22:46] <Fyodorovna> !uefi
[22:46] <sacrelicious> [FreeBSD], how do i do it? I think i screwed up my partitions by not knowing what I'm doing, thinking of just doing a full wipe and then starting from the live cd again
[22:47] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  your pastebin says theres no bootloader installed on either drive.  boot-repair chould try ti reinstall it.
[22:47] <[FreeBSD]> sacrelicious: in gparted choose the disk, click partition at the top and new partition table
[22:47] <[FreeBSD]> choose mbr or gpt
[22:47] <bencc> kostkon, Eduard_Munteanu: will php 32bit work with Apach 64bit and postgrs 64bit?
[22:47] <kostkon> bencc, have no idea
[22:47] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, i already ran it
[22:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: mod_php might not
[22:48] <bencc> kostkon: thanks
[22:48] <kostkon> bencc, np :P
[22:48] <bencc> Eduard_Munteanu: I'll try installing 32bit Apache as well
[22:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> bencc: as for Postgres it will require 32bit client libs I presume
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  you have just the one hard drive? or 2?
[22:48] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, 1
[22:49] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  becase all the errors i see are about sdb - You are booting from cd or a usb flash?
[22:49] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, flash
[22:49] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, when i take it out, i just get a message that i have no bootable device
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  ok. so sda is the flash. sdb is the hard drive
[22:50] <traplin> Dr_Willis:  any ideas?
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> how did you install to the hard drive? just used the normal installer? nothing weird?
[22:50] <Avgva> lol hey
[22:50] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, normal installer. but I tried to do some partitioning when I installed it, which I have not done before,
[22:51] <Avgva> test
[22:51] <sacrelicious> the 3 partitions i have are dev/sda1, dev/sda2 (what I'm trying to boot to), and a swap
[22:51] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  sacrelicious  so what is the other hd? is it a 8gb flash or somthing? it seems  very tiny.
[22:51] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, swap
[22:51] <wylde> Dr_Willis: /dev/sdb1 overlaps with /dev/sdb2 <----- key line perhaps?
[22:51] <DeM0nFiRe> Hello, was wondering if there's somewhere to get a minimal cd for 13.10 yet, haven't been able to find it yet
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  somthing seems very weird with the disk layout. You could use gparted to just delete all the partions on the hd. and let the installer repartion as needed
[22:52] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, sounds good, how do i do that?
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  that might be the easiest thing to try. I dont even see a  extX partion on the sdb
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  run  gparted and delte the partions.
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install gparted
[22:53] <Dr_Willis> gksudo gparted /dev/sdb
[22:53] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, gotcha.
[22:53] <Dr_Willis> Disk /dev/sdb: 8023 MB, 8023703552 bytes
[22:53] <Dr_Willis> sdb looks like its only 8gb here.
[22:53] <Dr_Willis> Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
[22:53] <Dr_Willis> sda  is 1tb. it seems
[22:54] <vlt> [FreeBSD]: Yes, I know the -ao option and I used it to specify the device. i just get the error that it's not found. (While I get no problem when putting "device default:CARD=K6" into mpd.conf or use it with aplay.)
[22:54] <Dr_Willis> i would be sure to check that we dont have sda and sdb backwards
[22:55] <Dr_Willis> sda looks like the hard drive you are installing to. in one part of the logs. but the other part sort of tries to work on sdb.
[22:55] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, i'm assuming this process will take a while, correct?
[22:55] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  the installer SHOULD be able to delete all partions and remake them also.
[22:56] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, already tried that, i have no idea what i messed up trying to partition myself
[22:56] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, thats why i ask, is there a way to erase my entire HD and start clean from a live cd
[22:56] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  start clean -> use gparted to delete all the partions
[22:56] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, gotcha.
[22:57] <Dr_Willis> you dont really need to use gpt layout -   i never do. but im on older machines
[23:00] <drfaustus>  has anyone got"alexander khalifman,According to Anand,vol. 12"?
[23:03] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, how long should this take to erase all partitions?
[23:04] <jhutchins> sacrelicious: A second or two to delete them.
[23:04] <sacrelicious> jhutchins, its been like...20 mins, just says that its pending
[23:04] <jhutchins> sacrelicious: Then you're stuck.
[23:04] <jhutchins> sacrelicious: There may be a problem with the drive.
[23:05] <wilee-nilee> sacrelicious, if this is gparted hit the green check in the panel
[23:05] <jhutchins> sacrelicious: If you were doing a secure erase, like for encryption, that would be understandable, but to just delete partitions from the table it should be seconds.
[23:05] <sacrelicious> wilee-nilee, ah jesus, it was just that easy, thanks, lol
[23:05] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[23:05] <sacrelicious> ok i'm gonna try this again
[23:05] <sacrelicious> will be back if i have issues
[23:06] <wilee-nilee> Good luck
[23:11]  * ttysteale slaps ttysteale around a bit with a large fishbot
[23:19] <sacrelicious> ok, i used gparted to erase all partitions, reinstalled ubuntu, still wont boot
[23:20] <sacrelicious> i'm getting this error when I start gparted:
[23:20] <Dr_Willis> that was a fast reinstall..
[23:20] <dhaval2712> Hey I can't "apply changes" to use the nvidia driver in Ubuntu
[23:20] <dhaval2712> I click on apply changes and it stalls at 10%
[23:20] <Dr_Willis> dhaval2712:  what driver are you trying to use? you could just use apt-get to install it directly
[23:21] <sacrelicious> /dev/sdb contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted - possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT partition tables. Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an msdos partition table. Is this a GPT partition table?
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  you might want to 'zero'  out the drive and remake the partion table.
[23:21] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, not sure what that means.
[23:21] <dhaval2712> Dr_Willis I did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras and it shows up in the "Additional Drivers" section, but I can't Apply it.
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  Im not sure of how else to fix it. since i dont use gparted or gpt much
[23:21] <sacrelicious> how do i just wipe my entire harddrive?
[23:21] <sacrelicious> i used a windows program called DBan once
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  somthing like 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=4M'     and DONT get sdx wrong.
[23:22] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, that will erase my entire HD?
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> dhaval2712:  ubuntu-restricted-extras will not install the nvidia drivers.. the nvidia-current package will
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  it will ZERO out the HD  - making it unpartioned
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  totally eraseing it
[23:23] <dhaval2712> so I install the nvidia-current package and run nvidia-xconfig and that's it right?
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> with extreme prejudice
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> dhaval2712:  thats all i ever do
[23:23] <dhaval2712> Alright.
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  be SURE you get the right /dev/sdX device
[23:24] <Dr_Willis> when you repartion the hard drive. I dont think you have to set it to be 'gpt' but im not sure on that. it may depend on the hd size. That was a 1tb hd?
[23:24] <dhaval2712> Dr_Willis, nevermind, it worked almost. Seems it's just taking too long.
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> dhaval2712:  server may be loaded. ;)
[23:26] <dhaval2712> Oh, so it doesn't download it with restricted extras. I don't suppose kmod-nvidia would do anything
[23:26] <dhaval2712> ?
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> !info kmod-nvidia
[23:26] <Guest16938> KEN
[23:27] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis,  what about sudo shred?
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> i basically  bootup.. install 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-current' let it do its thing.. reboot.. then run nvidia-settings
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  dd  is allready installed. ;)
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  and may be faster.. actually you really only need to let dd run for a few seconds - that will zero out the partion table.
[23:28] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, i have done this several times though, i'm confused
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  zeroing the hd will let you make it  a normal msdos partion tabe. Not gpt. that Might be the whole issue
[23:28] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, ok
[23:29] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, ok, what do you mean by dont get the sdX wrong?
[23:30] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, I'm not sure what that means, as I have 3 partitions that are sdX
[23:31] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious:  sda sdb sdc are DRIVES.. not partions
[23:31] <Dr_Willis> you are eraseing a DRIVE. ;)
[23:31] <sacrelicious> got it
[23:31] <kostkon> sacrelicious, it's sdaX where X is the partition
[23:32] <kostkon> sdXY ok  X drive, Y partition
[23:32] <sacrelicious> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of/dev/sda bs=4M
[23:32] <sacrelicious> dd: unrecognized operand ‘of/dev/sda’
[23:32] <sacrelicious> Try 'dd --help' for more information.
[23:32] <kostkon> of=
[23:32] <sacrelicious> wait, nevermind
[23:33] <Random832> *cough* cp /dev/zero /dev/sda
[23:33] <Random832> you almost _never_ actually need dd for the things most people use dd for
[23:33] <sacrelicious> well,
[23:33] <sacrelicious> i typed that out, nothing happened....
[23:34] <sacrelicious> though, when I open Gparted i get a message that it is scanning all devices, and nothing happens
[23:34] <sacrelicious> does that mean it worked?
[23:34] <Random832> no ide, what are you trying to do?
[23:34] <sacrelicious> Random832, erase my entire HD
[23:34] <Random832> ok... what exactly didn't happen when you ran the command?
[23:34] <Marduuk> hello everyone
[23:34] <Random832> it should wait a long time, then stop
[23:35] <sacrelicious> Random832, well, nothing. i just got a new prompt on a new line
[23:35] <Random832> after how much time
[23:35] <sacrelicious> dunno, few seconds?
[23:35] <Random832> how big is your drive
[23:35] <sacrelicious> 1TB
[23:35] <Random832> and is it a ssd or hard drive
[23:35] <sacrelicious> HD.
[23:35] <Random832> hmm... maybe you should run the dd command, it at least has a progress output
[23:36] <sacrelicious> ehh...my terminal is dead right now, every time i type a command and hit enter it just moves to a new line
[23:36] <sacrelicious> why the hell is this so hard....i've been trying to get linux to work all day,
[23:36] <Marduuk> i am having issues getting ubuntu 13.04 x64 to install, when i boot the flash drive it starts installing then i get a video out of sync mode, this on on 2 different monitors, my lg says it is at 39Hz and my samsung says not optimum mode
[23:37] <sacrelicious> also, i can not even open gparted at the moment
[23:37] <Diamondcite> sacrelicious: New line? Do you have any networked deviced attached?
[23:37] <Diamondcite> Or is the HDD indicator light stuck on?
[23:37] <sacrelicious> Diamondcite, wireless internet, obviously, usb key, thats it
[23:37] <sacrelicious> Diamondcite, i have no idea.
[23:37] <Random832> sacrelicious: ... that means it's running.
[23:37] <Random832> how exactly did you have a new prompt?
[23:37] <wilee-nilee> Marduuk, unplug one monitor and boot to the live desktop
[23:38] <sacrelicious> just keep hitting enter, and nothings happening in the terminal
[23:38] <Random832> try pressing ctrl-c
[23:38] <tjbiddle> Hey guys - Think I'm searching for the wrong terms or something. I'm trying to change an EC2 to stop pointing at an instance that's running dnsmasq for it's dns provider, to instead point at AWS Route 53. Sounds like I need to change something in resolve.conf and then reload something?
[23:38] <sacrelicious> ^C9416+0 records in
[23:38] <sacrelicious> 9416+0 records out
[23:38] <sacrelicious> 39493566464 bytes (39 GB) copied, 327.266 s, 121 MB/s
[23:38] <sacrelicious> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[23:38] <FloodBot1> sacrelicious: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:38] <Random832> ok, dd was running
[23:38] <sacrelicious> ah
[23:38] <Random832> what exactly did you see that made you think a new prompt had appeared
[23:38] <Random832> run it again
[23:38] <erbalist> hi. how can i rename 'x%03d.png' to 144+%03d.png?
[23:38] <sacrelicious> run dd again?
[23:38] <sacrelicious> nothing, just an empty line with a cursor
[23:39] <Random832> and it'll probably be, well, about two and a half hours
[23:39] <sacrelicious> gotcha.
[23:39] <Random832> that's not a prompt
[23:39] <Random832> erasing a 1TB drive takes a long time; why do you need to erase it?
[23:39] <sacrelicious> Random832, messed up partitioning not knowing what I am doing, I can't boot to anything right now.
[23:39] <Diamondcite> ..
[23:40] <Diamondcite> Why use dd to format?
[23:40] <Diamondcite> gparted is much faster
[23:40] <sacrelicious> Random832, even after doing a clean "erase HD and install linux", it wont boot
[23:40] <Random832> sacrelicious: you can probably stop now, actually
[23:40] <sacrelicious> Diamondcite, already tried that.
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> dd does not FORMAT
[23:40] <Random832> ctrl-c again and run gparted
[23:40] <Diamondcite> sacrelicious: How big is this HDD?
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> dd is to totally blank out the partion table
[23:40] <Random832> it didn't work before because you tried to open gparted while dd was running
[23:40] <kostkon> Diamondcite, needs to erase the partition table
[23:40] <sacrelicious> Dr_Willis, thats why I'm running it, sorry, using wrong terms maybe
[23:41] <Random832> the partition table is at the very start, right?
[23:41] <Ben64> sacrelicious: you just need to create an msdos partition table
[23:41] <Random832> stop dd and run gparted again
[23:41] <Diamondcite> kostkon: gparted can already do that, dd is pointless beyond the first few bytes.
[23:41] <sacrelicious> Ben64, i dont know how to do that.
[23:41] <Ben64> sacrelicious: gparted can do it
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> you partion a drive  makiign a patition table if its unpartioned. then make partions which you then format
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> be sure to make a msdos parttion table. Not gpt. ;) when it asks
[23:41] <kostkon> Diamondcite, fine by me, just tell sacrelicious how to do it
[23:41] <Diamondcite> No one has mentioned, how big is the drive that won't boot?
[23:42] <sacrelicious> Diamondcite, 1TB
[23:42] <wilee-nilee> 1
[23:42] <wilee-nilee>  Terrabyte
[23:42] <kostkon> large enough
[23:42] <Diamondcite> sacrelicious: Have you tried making boot it's own smaller partition? Like 200MB for example?
[23:42] <Random832> sacrelicious: stop dd now (with ctrl-c) then run gparted again
[23:42] <sacrelicious> Random832, ok, then what?
[23:43] <Random832> well, does it run?
[23:43] <sacrelicious> yeah with a long warning message
[23:43] <Random832> what does the warning message say?
[23:43] <sacrelicious> /dev/sdb contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table.  However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should.  Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT partition tables.  Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an msdos partition table.  Is this a GPT partition table?
[23:43] <Marduuk> wilee, i only have 1 monitor plugged in
[23:44] <dhaval2712> I can't use the Unity dash after installing the nvidia drivers?
[23:44] <Random832> uh, crap
[23:44] <Random832> exit out of gparted
[23:44] <Random832> you need to do something else in dd, that should only take a few minutes
[23:44] <sacrelicious> ok
[23:44] <Random832> what's the _exact_ size of your hard drive, like in bytes?
[23:44] <Random832> cat /proc/partitions and paste the big number by /dev/sda
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> err.. you said sda... he said sdb.
[23:45] <Random832> ...he said sda before
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> so which drive is the one we are trying to work on?
[23:45] <sacrelicious> ehh, theres several
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> sacrelicious | /dev/sdb contains GPT signatures,
[23:45] <sacrelicious> can i paste them? its like...7 lines
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> he seems to have used gparted on sdb
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> not sda
[23:45] <Random832> sacrelicious: which one is the 1 TB one you are having a problem with
[23:45] <Random832> and which one were you erasing with dd
[23:45] <Marduuk> wilee-nilee, did you see my last response?
[23:45] <sacrelicious>    7        0     755132 loop0
[23:45] <sacrelicious>    8        0  976762584 sda
[23:45] <sacrelicious>    8        1      96256 sda1
[23:45] <sacrelicious>    8        2  968464384 sda2
[23:45] <sacrelicious>    8        3    8200192 sda3
[23:45] <FloodBot1> sacrelicious: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:45] <sacrelicious>    8       16    7835648 sdb
[23:45] <Random832> and did you have any important data on ANY disk attached to this machine?
[23:46] <Random832> so... sda is the 1TB one
[23:46] <Diamondcite> Paste flood, silenced
[23:46] <Diamondcite> He can't reply
[23:46] <kostkon> :/
[23:46] <Random832> he's back
[23:46] <sacrelicious> Random832, i dont know, i was just trying to get this thing to work, honestly, i have never worked with partitions before
[23:46] <Random832> sacrelicious: did you have any important data on this machine?
[23:46] <sacrelicious> Random832, and important data, no, not at all, its a new machine
[23:46] <Random832> ok, sda is the 1 TB drive
[23:46] <Random832> so, you've already erased the start of it, let's erase the end of it
[23:46] <Dr_Willis> and the gparted message was about sdb.
[23:47] <kostkon> the usb... stick...?
[23:47] <sacrelicious> kostkon, i'm assuming sdb would be the stick i'm running a live session from
[23:47] <Random832> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda seek=976000000K
[23:47] <kostkon> sacrelicious, then it's a false alarm
[23:48] <Random832> then after that finishes, gparted /dev/sda
[23:48] <dhaval2712> Hey what's the default ubuntu console font?
[23:48] <wilee-nilee> Marduuk, Are you booting to the desktop to run the install?
[23:49] <sacrelicious> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda seek=976000000K
[23:49] <sacrelicious> dd: opening ‘/dev/sda’: Permission denied
[23:49] <Random832> sudo
[23:49] <kostkon> dhaval2712, ubuntu mono?
[23:49] <sacrelicious> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda seek=976000000K
[23:49] <sacrelicious> dd: ‘/dev/sda’: cannot seek: Invalid argument
[23:49] <sacrelicious> 0+0 records in
[23:49] <sacrelicious> 0+0 records out
[23:49] <sacrelicious> 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.000593992 s, 0.0 kB/s
[23:49] <FloodBot1> sacrelicious: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:49] <dhaval2712> is it? I don't know. I mean for the ttys
[23:50] <kostkon> dhaval2712, ah. no idea. where that font is coming from
[23:50] <Marduuk> wilee-nilee, you there?
[23:50] <Random832> hmm
[23:50] <tjbiddle> Is there an Amazon Web Services IRC channel that anyone knows about?
[23:50] <Random832> sacrelicious: try gparted /dev/sda anyway
[23:51] <dhaval2712> Holy heck, it's terminus! Lot's and lot's of terminus.
[23:51] <Random832> and like the bot said, use paste.ubuntu.com for pasting
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> Marduuk, Yes I just asked you a question.
[23:51] <kostkon> dhaval2712, good font then ;)
[23:51] <sacrelicious> Random832, ok, did so, gparted opens, one unallocated portion, 931GB and change.
[23:51] <Random832> ok - create the partitions now
[23:51] <Marduuk> i have tried to boot live version, and tried to install directly, both go out of frequency
[23:51] <Random832> someone suggested making a small one at the beginning of the drive for /boot
[23:52] <sacrelicious> Random832, create new partition table?
[23:52] <Random832> yes
[23:52] <sacrelicious> Partition(s) 3 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use.  As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use.  You should reboot now before making further changes.
[23:52] <Random832> ok, what partitions did you make
[23:52] <sacrelicious> i didn't, i just went to create new partition table, it did it on its own
[23:53] <Random832> ....what partitions did _it_ make, then?
[23:53] <Random832> i'm suspicious of automatic settings
[23:53] <Marduuk> isnt there a boot arguement to set freq and resolution?
[23:53] <sacrelicious> ehh...none.
[23:53] <sacrelicious> its still unallocated.
[23:53] <Random832> ok, the message was confusing
[23:53] <Guest65804> i installed the steam.deb, and steam ran the first time... but now when I try to run it, it says STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically, and then returns the prompt.... I found directions online that said to run apt-get remove steam; and then reinstall it, but when I run that, apt tells me I dont have steam installed....
[23:53] <Random832> you should make a small one at the start for /boot
[23:53] <Random832> then - how much memory do you have? desktop or laptop?
[23:53] <sacrelicious> i'm assuming i should reboot, and come back here from my live cd?
[23:53] <Random832> wait, you _weren't_ on the live cd?
[23:53] <sacrelicious> no, i'm on my live cd
[23:54]  * Random832 is confused
[23:54]  * sacrelicious is more confused.
[23:54] <kostkon> Guest65804, actually the package is steam-launcher. try install that
[23:54] <Marduuk> are the drives unmounted?
[23:54] <Random832> yeah you should probably reboot at this point - don't know why it did that, but rebooting is probably a good idea
[23:54] <sacrelicious> Random832, i'm going to reboot right now, and come back here, and see if partitions were actually created.
[23:55] <Random832> it probably didn't, but reboting should clear up the "can't tell the kernel" problem, which you'll need anyway
[23:55] <Marduuk> yay, the person helping me left
[23:56] <bencc> how can I run services in a chroot on boot?
[23:56] <bencc> I want to have a server in a chroot listening to a real port
[23:57] <Guest65804> what's the proper way to install a local .deb?
[23:57] <Guest65804> in the rhel world it's yum localinstall .rpm
[23:57] <kostkon> Guest65804, steam is also in the repos
[23:57] <Dr_Willis> Guest65804:  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb  or sudo gdebi foo.deb
[23:57] <bencc> Guest65804: dpkg -i packagename
[23:57] <Guest65804> kostkon: not it's not, i just did apt-cache search steam and it was not returned...
[23:58] <Guest65804> i did a search after I did the apt-get purge steam-launcher, and then apt-get install steam-launcher failed for some reason..
[23:58] <kostkon> Guest65804, https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/steam-launcher/
[23:58] <Sacrelicious> Random832, ok so, rebooted, tried to run gparted, same error message, same unallocated 931gb sector
[23:58] <kostkon> Guest65804, it is
[23:59] <Dr_Willis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve     alternatve install methods
[23:59] <Random832> wait, what error message?
[23:59] <Sacrelicious> Random832, the long GPT one
[23:59] <Random832> did it say /dev/sda?