[01:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: IIRC it was more pocket picking than outright mugging one had to watch out for.  
[03:42] <Noskcaj_> yofel: I think i'll leave gambc then, the .9 release should help anyone that still uses it
[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:17] <soee> hiho lordievader 
[07:18] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[07:18] <soee> lordievader, slept only 2 hour but im ok :) you ?
[07:19] <lordievader> Ugh 2 hours, what are you a zombie :P. I'm doing good.
[07:25] <soee> working hard :D
[09:19]  * Riddell puts on Monic Monday by the Bangles
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Hmm, maybe I should package https://github.com/sayakb/sticky-notes in Debian
[10:00] <Riddell> I'd rather someone got on with plasma active
[10:01]  * smartboyhw thinks Quintasan is working on it
[10:01]  * smartboyhw is not exactly confident with Plasma Active
[10:01] <smartboyhw> And speaking about it, I'm afraid that libmm-qt got a update
[10:01] <smartboyhw> Damningly, I need a FFe for just ONE feature addition:(
[10:05] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion libmm-qt 0.5.1
[10:05]  * smartboyhw realizes that he is speaking to thin air-.-
[10:05] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, please resurrect kubotu
[10:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's the new feature?
[10:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, KDE Telepathy SMS messaging
[10:11] <smartboyhw> Handy to include
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Albeit, new symbols (sigh)
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Fortuntately, it's new not MISSING:P
[10:15] <Riddell> new is all good
[10:27]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/16/kubuntu-best-kde-distro-2013
[10:28] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: but where did he go?
[10:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I don't know, missing in the symbols file-.-
[10:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, nice
[10:29] <apachelogger> my bot, my bot, my poor bot
[10:30] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:30] <apachelogger> oh
[10:32] <apachelogger> Killed
[10:32] <apachelogger> jussi, tsimpson: did the bot machine go OOM possibly?
[10:33] <smartboyhw> \o/ it's back
[10:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do I have to re-build plasma-nm and libnm-qt for the new libmm-qt versions?
[10:41] <smartboyhw> And if I do have to rebuild, do I require FFe(s)?
[10:41]  * smartboyhw isn't sure how to test it though, there is absolutely no modem here to test-.-
[10:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nope
[10:42] <Riddell> that's the beauty of binary compatibility
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ACK OK
[10:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: you could move kubotu to the kubuntu web server if needed
[10:43] <apachelogger> I think he's quite happy on the bot server :)
[10:44] <apachelogger> when he doesn't get OOM killed anyway ^^
[10:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Bug 1225979 for you to ACK
[10:45] <smartboyhw> (Please change it to Triaged)
[10:45] <smartboyhw> (If you approve the FFe)
[10:49] <Riddell> smartboyhw: is this requested by KDE Telepathy? will KDE Telepathy use it?
[10:50] <Riddell> mck182_: ^^
[10:50] <mck182_> not quite
[10:51] <mck182_> so we have this gsoc about sms sending from kde telepathy
[10:51] <mck182_> that requires libmm-qt 0.5.1 to work
[10:51] <mck182_> BUT it also requires an unreleased telepathy-qt version
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Heh
[10:51] <mck182_> stashed somewhere on github
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Let me throw it away then:P
[10:51] <Riddell> so it sounds like not much advantage if we include it
[10:51] <mck182_> well I'd still include it
[10:52] <Riddell> why?
[10:52] <smartboyhw> mck182_, em?
[10:52] <mck182_> telepathy-qt will get released eventually ;)
[10:52] <mck182_> then users can use sms sending right away
[10:52] <smartboyhw> mck182_, eventually = how long?
[10:52] <mck182_> when someone brave enough writes unit tests for connection managers apis
[10:53] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[10:53] <mck182_> then it can be out immediately
[10:53] <smartboyhw> I would rather not upload it in this case
[10:53] <mck182_> ok
[10:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, your opinion?
[10:54] <mck182_> depends if you'd include the new telepathy-qt then
[10:54] <mck182_> imho
[10:54] <smartboyhw> mck182_, when will the new telepathy-qt be released?
[10:54] <mck182_> smartboyhw: when the unit tests are written :) not sooner than a month I'd say
[10:54] <smartboyhw> That will affect my decision quite a lot
[10:54] <smartboyhw> mck182_, not sooner than a month?
[10:54] <smartboyhw> Not uploading.
[10:55] <Riddell> best leave it I think, we can upload it all in a PPA as an update
[10:55] <Riddell> or a backport rather
[10:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: hi
[10:55] <kubotu> hello, apachelogger
[10:55] <mck182_> I doubt it...all I'm saying is that if you're not going to package the new tp-qt, then there's no point in having this libmm-qt 0.5.1 as it will be useless for KTp anyway
[10:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, reject the bug for saucy then
[10:56] <smartboyhw> mck182_, we are about to release 13.10
[10:56] <smartboyhw> mck182_, after a month or so
[10:56] <smartboyhw> If this can't go in, I just won't package it.
[10:56] <smartboyhw> s/package it/upload it for 13.10 archive/
[10:56] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "If this can't go in, I just won't upload it for 13.10 archive."
[11:01] <mck182_> smartboyhw: ok
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:26] <apachelogger> soooo
[12:26] <apachelogger> yofel: we now have neon/kf5-snapshot-daily and kf5-snapshot-weekly
[12:27] <apachelogger> former is populated by http://paste.kde.org/pb83d3db5/ on a daily basis, copying all of kf5 into the snapshot iff all daily recipes are built and all sources have built successfully
[12:28] <apachelogger> content for weekly is promoted from daily after someone checked that the daily snapshot actually has a working session and stuff
[12:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, nice:)
[12:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, we still need a more reliable version for daily stamping
[12:47] <markey> Riddell: heh, so a writer from Netrunner Mag finds that Kubuntu and Netrunner are the best distros
[12:47] <markey> sounds legit ;)
[12:48] <Riddell> no no he said just kubuntu, if he was biased he'd go for netrunner :)
[12:48] <markey> next up: Netrunner Mag finds that projects sponsored by Blue Systems are the best :p
[12:49] <BluesKaj> markey, Netrunner is sponsored by Blue Systems :)
[12:50] <Riddell> I think that's his point
[12:50] <BluesKaj> well , it's not exactly legit then is it
[12:51] <BluesKaj> netrunner is ok , nothing special about it tho 
[12:56] <Peace-> Hey guys the beta has trouble with the bios ?
[12:57] <Peace-> i mean uefi
[12:58] <Riddell> uefi is troubleful generally
[12:58] <Peace-> Riddell: ok but did you test on a uefi computer ? 
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Peace-, please try turning off UEFI
[12:59] <Riddell> Peace-: not for a while
[12:59] <Peace-> smartboyhw: ok i have uefi turned off
[12:59] <Peace-> and it works fine ... 
[12:59] <Peace-> but ... :D
[13:00] <Peace-> well i am a bit bored to change bios settings to get access to windows
[13:00] <shadeslayer> Peace-: make sure you're booting the 64 bit ISO?
[13:00] <Peace-> without that linux cna't read from ntfs
[13:00] <Peace-> :S
[13:00] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how did you get on with crauchy?
[13:00] <Peace-> shadeslayer: i have 64bit machine yes
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, still waiting for the email reply
[13:00] <Riddell> smartboyhw: from cyrille?
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Pinged CyrilleB to reply before Thurs. Riddell <
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Peace-, machine != image
[13:01] <apachelogger> utc in python is not confusing at all I have to say
[13:01] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you even work out what it does?
[13:01] <Peace-> smartboyhw: yes i have 64bit image :P
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can't on my own
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Peace-: what happens when you boot it then?
[13:02] <Peace-> shadeslayer: :D well it works fine with uefi = off with uefi =on i am a bit scared to install linux
[13:02] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:02] <smartboyhw> heh
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Peace-: should work fine
[13:02] <Peace-> shadeslayer: because i have read that it doesn't work well expecially kubuntu 
[13:02] <Peace-> mmm 
[13:03] <Peace-> ok i mean you guys have tested ? 
[13:03] <shadeslayer> I would think that if the live session works, the install works as well
[13:03] <Mamarok> who is this Luis Augusto guy?
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, ?
[13:03]  * Peace- damn cat why always on my keyboard
[13:04] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: the one who wirtes in that Netrunner Mag
[13:04] <Mamarok> writes*
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, dunno, probably a fanatic Netrunner user
[13:05] <Mamarok> and an idiot who apparently just complains for the sake of it, his Amarok review is abysmal, he didn't even bother to check teh View menu, and apparently didn't try to use it but for complaining's sake
[13:06] <Mamarok> didn't bother to read the handbook, or ask
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Ouch
[13:06] <Mamarok> that really makes me angry
[13:06] <Mamarok> Riddell: if you happen to know that guy: writing articles like these is a shame
[13:07] <Riddell> Mamarok: why?
[13:07]  * Peace- hates amarok 2
[13:07] <Mamarok> because he complains about stuff that is fully configurable
[13:07] <Riddell> oh right, no idea who he is I'm afraid
[13:08] <Mamarok> he is the guy who managed to put a blog article from 2009 on planet
[13:08] <Mamarok> Peace-: hate? why so harsh? Can't you just say you don't like it? I don't "hate" applications
[13:09] <Peace-> Mamarok: i hate amarok becuase for me gui sucks 
[13:09] <Peace-> it's the first application that i remove 
[13:09] <smartboyhw> Peace-, -.- 
[13:09] <highvoltage> but how will that make uncle rodney feel?
[13:09] <Mamarok> Peace-: when did you last really try to use it? like configuring the layout?
[13:10]  * smartboyhw thinks GUI is awesome!
[13:10] <smartboyhw> highvoltage, LOL
[13:10] <Mamarok> it is fully configurable
[13:10] <Peace-> Mamarok: i tried to use it and ... omg i have to lose my time even for a gui to listen music ?
[13:10] <Peace-> anyway sorry 
[13:10] <Peace-> i don't want speak anymore 
[13:11] <Mamarok> well, then you should not even have started, making statements about hating stuff triggers discussions
[13:11] <Peace-> yes you right
[13:11] <Mamarok> if you don't want to talk about something keep your mouth shut :)
[13:11] <Peace-> stop the discussion here please
[13:11] <smartboyhw> !peace
[13:11] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[13:11] <Peace-> lol
[13:11] <smartboyhw> Keep Calm and don't talk.
[13:12]  * smartboyhw does not exactly like using this British sentence, but..
[13:12] <Peace-> i have my cat here on my shoulder it is doing prrrrrrrr  i am relaxed 
[13:12] <Peace-> xD
[13:14]  * Peace- is thinkign to test kubuntu beta xD
[13:14]  * Peace- uefi brrr
[13:25] <yofel> apachelogger: hm, kinda nice idea, but how often do you run the script? (for kf5 you might be lucky enough that it works frequently, but the large PPA constantly has something in pending or building state)
[13:27] <apachelogger> every 30 minutes
[13:28] <apachelogger> certainly wouldn't work for the large ppa
[13:28] <apachelogger> not impossible though
[13:29] <apachelogger> just needed a staging-for-daily
[13:29] <apachelogger> apparently yofel disgrees ^^
[13:30] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[13:32] <yofel> apachelogger: did you say something in the last 5 min?
[13:33] <apachelogger> yofel: was just musing about the possibility of having a snapshot for the regular neon
 every 30 minutes
 certainly wouldn't work for the large ppa
 not impossible though
 just needed a staging-for-daily
[13:33] <smartboyhw> * yofel has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.)
 apparently yofel disgrees ^^
[13:33] <smartboyhw> * yofel (~quassel@ubuntu/member/yofel) has joined #kubuntu-devel
[13:33] <yofel> lol
 apachelogger, LOL
[13:35] <apachelogger> yofel: the problem with the neon pile is more of the kind: what packages are considered essential 
[13:35] <yofel> hm, whatever project-neon-base depends on IMO. Not sure how up-to-date that list is though
[13:35] <apachelogger> targetPPA.description = re.sub("(Last-Update:) (.*)", "\g<1> " + date_today.isoformat(), desc)
[13:35] <apachelogger> magic I say
[13:36] <yofel> fun ^^
[13:36] <apachelogger> yofel: well, I wouldn't want to do it for neon anyway :P
[13:36] <apachelogger> seems hardly useful
[13:36] <yofel> yeah, was just wondering how that'll scale
[13:36] <apachelogger> for kf5 the primary incentive is that it constantly breaks because someone changes something in libs
[13:37] <apachelogger> and when it breaks you have no working package set because modules are then ever so slowly adopting the changes from kdelibs and during that time the session may be defunct
[13:37] <apachelogger> mhh, datestamp works like a charm
[13:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, yofel: with stamp in ppa description for peristency http://paste.kde.org/pa28d4110/
[13:40] <apachelogger> what I don't like is the api thing
[13:40] <apachelogger> didn't we somehow manage to get peristent auth?
[13:40] <shadeslayer> the api thing?
[13:40] <apachelogger> having to auth the api for a week or whatever
[13:41] <yofel> uh, credential files are forever usually
[13:41] <yofel> if you choose forever
[13:41] <smartboyhw> "if" emm
[13:41]  * yofel has one credentials file that he created a few years ago
[13:41] <yofel> still works fine ^^
[13:42] <apachelogger> oh
[13:42] <apachelogger> there is a forever option?
[13:42]  * smartboyhw always uses forever
[13:42] <apachelogger> I recall having had to auth it for a year
[13:43] <apachelogger> eh
[13:43] <apachelogger> a week
[13:43] <apachelogger> lunchpad is broken in w3m
[13:43] <apachelogger> booo
[13:44] <apachelogger> ah
[13:44] <apachelogger> until I disable it
[13:44] <apachelogger> ololo
[13:44] <apachelogger> readign helps
[13:51] <BluesKaj> hmm, think I might give netrunner another look , install it on a spare drive 
[13:59] <mck182_> Download size: 65,54 MB
[13:59] <mck182_> Installed size: 199,33 KB
[13:59] <mck182_> heh, why I need to download so much for so little... :P
[13:59] <mck182_> (nvidia binary driver)
[14:53] <Riddell> lordievader: what did you fix about the images?
[14:56] <lordievader> Riddell: It can now handle the "target="<something>", for example on the main page next to the gplus icon there is target="_blank", this is part of the image link but didn't get converted properly. Hope <- makes sense.
[14:58] <Riddell> ah yeah nicer
[14:59] <Riddell> lordievader: you commented out the pages in wikiPages array, I presume that's just for speed of debugging?
[15:00] <lordievader> Oh did I forget to uncomment everything before uploading? Hmm yes, indeed speed of debugging.
[15:01] <Riddell> lordievader: nah you fixed it back later, I was only looking at the one commit
[15:20] <Riddell> lordievader: yay fixed http://docs.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs.html
[15:20] <Riddell> lordievader: the "kubuntu wiki" image in the top has gone which is fine cos it's obviously wrong but might be nice to keep the kubuntu logo there
[15:20] <Riddell> lordievader: but more important is to export it to a package for the local user to install, fancy tackling that one?
[15:22] <lordievader> Well I'm still kind of busy with the conversion of MoinMoin to html.
[15:27] <Riddell> lordievader: what's still broken?
[15:29] <lordievader> Riddell: Image sizes for one: http://griffioen.no-ip.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic.html
[15:40] <Riddell> lordievader: oh aye they could do with being shrunk
[15:43] <lordievader> Riddell: Yes, that. In the source the size is given, however the creola parser simply ignores that or something.
[15:58] <Riddell> lordievader: I just can't help but think i'm missing something with that parser
[15:58] <Riddell> anyway thanks for doing that :)
[16:06] <lordievader> No problem, I like doing it ;)
[16:40] <ronnoc> shadeslayer: come to America and you'll find lots of ppl who look at you funny when you say "Linux". Your evangelical opportunity awaits!
[16:40] <shadeslayer> haha
[16:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: apachelogger https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+recipe/milou-daily
[16:40] <shadeslayer> bzr dailydeb is completely broken
[16:54] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1206371] kwin is not starting: cannot find libwayland-egl.so.1 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1206371 (by Chupligin Sergey)
[17:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: don't use format 0.4
[17:02] <yofel> there's a bug about that somewhere
[17:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: how come https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon5-kde-workspace works then?
[17:14] <shadeslayer> and what's not valid in https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+recipe/milou-daily
[17:14] <shadeslayer> ( in the version )
[17:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: git-commit wasn't substituted but then it goes on to say git-commit is a valid substitution
[17:16] <shadeslayer> wtf?
[17:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, I totally tripped over that as well
[17:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how did you fix it?
[17:54] <apachelogger> but like months ago
[17:54] <shadeslayer> because I see you're using 0.4
[17:54] <shadeslayer> in neon5
[17:54] <apachelogger> and someone speculated the sub is not subbed
[17:54] <apachelogger> oh
[17:54] <apachelogger> true
[17:54] <apachelogger> neon is special? :P
[17:54] <shadeslayer> yes, lets call it that :P
[17:55] <shadeslayer> 'special'
[17:55] <shadeslayer> also
[17:55] <shadeslayer> shit is broken in the daily PPA
[17:55] <shadeslayer> can't start plasma-shell, something about a missing import or sth
[17:55] <apachelogger> yes
[17:55] <apachelogger> it builds.
[17:56] <apachelogger> it not starting may be why the daily snapshot was not promoted to weekly? :P
[17:56] <shadeslayer> fwiw where is that script running?
[17:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mail host
[17:59] <shadeslayer> oick
[17:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also notable difference between neon5 branches and milou ... neon5 uses nested packaging
[17:59] <apachelogger> may be related
[18:00] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's what I was thinking of as well
[18:00] <shadeslayer> I can try and nest it I suppose
[18:00] <shadeslayer> if it works, I'd like to kick launchpad in the nuts
[18:01] <shadeslayer> bah
[18:01] <shadeslayer> nesting won't work, I'll have to change the dir structure :(
[18:01] <apachelogger> so?
[18:02] <apachelogger> cp -rf foo/debian bar&& cd bar && bzr init && bzr add * && bzr commit && bzr push lp:~me/+junk/bar
[18:02] <apachelogger> change recipe to point to junk/bar
[18:02] <apachelogger> s/point to/nest
[18:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: weird, true. neon is really the only place I see that working. I tripped over debupstream in the kdelibs stable recipe
[22:27] <NikTh> Hello everyone
[22:27] <NikTh> What we can do about a broken link here → https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters
[22:28] <NikTh> Look at the section "How to Contribute" → other projects (link)
[22:29] <shadeslayer> NikTh: fix it?
[22:30] <shadeslayer> it's a wiki
[22:30] <shadeslayer> anyone can edit it
[22:32] <NikTh> Yes, but how to fix it ? I don't know the correct page.. :) Maybe remove it completely ? 
[22:32] <shadeslayer> try and find it, if you can't find one, create a new one ? :)
[22:33] <shadeslayer> -> sleep
[22:33] <shadeslayer> night
[22:34] <NikTh> Maybe this one is a nice one ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/QA
[22:35] <NikTh> shadeslayer: Good night 
[22:49] <ScottK> Updating pykde4 to 4.11 trunk should fix it.