[03:40] <UmbraChimera> So, I need some help.
[03:43] <UmbraChimera> This is true. It's just long-ish lol.  Installed Lubuntu on old laptop I'm trying to fix for a family friend, it has no working cd drive, bios cant boot usb. Got it all installed, and now after a crash while updating wifi driver the mouse (touchpad and a usb one) won't function.
[03:43] <UmbraChimera> advice?
[03:56] <ianorlin> .
[04:02] <ianorlin> how did you install it with no bios and no usb boot plop to the hard disk?
[04:03] <UmbraChimera> ubetbootin
[04:03] <UmbraChimera> it was an annoying task lol
[04:04] <ianorlin> unetbootin or ubetbootin?
[04:04] <UmbraChimera> unetbootin I think
[04:04] <UmbraChimera> sry lol
[04:05] <UmbraChimera> lol it has a 60gb hdd, 380something ram avalible and had xp sp2 on it, couldnt connect to win update, and was unable to read the owners wireless modem due to how new it was and updates were not an option i could find so i decided to try a light linux and it worked! until this mouse thing
[04:05] <ianorlin> where does it stop booting?
[04:05] <ianorlin> can you hold shift and get into grub?
[04:06] <UmbraChimera> it boots all the way, just no mouse.
[04:06] <UmbraChimera> usb mouse wont work and touchpad doesnt either now.
[04:06] <UmbraChimera> not sure why, it did, lubuntu crashed while updating wifi driver, and now it doesnt.
[04:06] <ianorlin> ctrl alt t opens up a terminal with no mouse
[04:07] <UmbraChimera> yeah, i just wasnt sure what approach to try from there.
[04:07] <ianorlin> lspci to see if the hardware is detecting the touchpad and what kind it is
[04:09] <UmbraChimera> yeah i didnt think about that, will it show enabled disabled etc? and would it also make my usb mouse not work?
[04:12] <ianorlin> no it will show if it is being detected
[04:12] <ianorlin> and give me information so I can know what the appropriate mouse driver is
[04:13] <UmbraChimera> alright, will you be on much longer?
[04:13] <ianorlin> some
[04:13] <ianorlin> maybe for an hour or two
[04:14] <UmbraChimera> ill go grab the craptop in about 30mins then? Wife's none to keen on how many hours i spent working through one problem after another with it, and if i do more before shes asleep, i may be on the couch
[04:16] <UmbraChimera> ianorlin: also, not sure if its relevant, but the mouse pointer does show up! lol
[04:24] <ianorlin> one command for you to try is synclient -l
[04:24] <ianorlin> to list settings but not sure that will help
[04:27] <ianorlin> http://j7.video2.blip.tv/10690008036594/Llelectronics-LubuntuScreencastTouchpadConfiguration461.webm?ir=12840&sr=1061
[04:31] <UmbraChimera> thanks for all your help btw
[04:31] <UmbraChimera> is there a keyboard shortcut for run?
[04:32] <ianorlin> alt f2
[04:32] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard
[04:33] <UmbraChimera> i wonder if the values of things can be changed from terminal, like if mine does say its off,
[04:34] <UmbraChimera> ill go grab it and try your advice so far
[04:34] <ianorlin> one thing I would try is alt + mousewheel if your has it to see if it swithces desktops
[04:35] <UmbraChimera> i can grab my mouse in a bit and test that, i know clicks dont do anything even if pointer is over them
[04:36] <UmbraChimera> booting it up now
[04:39] <UmbraChimera> synclient did nothing, no synaptic driver loaded
[04:40] <UmbraChimera> and i cant see what all lpsci shows cant scroll up
[04:42] <ianorlin> lspci |less than and hit enter to move down some
[04:45] <ianorlin> can you run xinput list
[04:46] <UmbraChimera> yeah
[04:46] <ianorlin> also page up lets you scroll up
[04:46] <UmbraChimera> not for me
[04:47] <UmbraChimera> core pointer?
[04:47] <UmbraChimera> core keyboard and sub options under each
[04:48] <ianorlin> no synaptics under it?
[04:49] <UmbraChimera> nope   virtual core pointe   with _.XTEST pointer under it
[04:49] <UmbraChimera> and virtual core keyboard
[04:49] <UmbraChimera> with stuff like power sleep xtest
[04:51] <ianorlin> hmm don't think it is detecting your touchpad
[04:51] <UmbraChimera> and with lsci it found usb controllers. smbus, ide isa pci audio modem vga etc
[04:51] <UmbraChimera> nothing that looks like a mouse to me
[04:52] <UmbraChimera> i believe it is synaptic drivers, i remember the lil red swoosh logo on the xp install lol
[04:54] <UmbraChimera> and the wifi driver never finished, great lol
[04:56] <ianorlin> have an ethernet cable to plug into back of wireless router?
[04:57] <UmbraChimera> yeah thats how i installed it all and all that, looks like it did turn on. just gotta connect to my internet no mousey lol
[04:58] <UmbraChimera> well, the driver is on, but no wifi still shows up, might have to go harwire
[05:01] <UmbraChimera> trying to find wherever the default mouse settings option is atm, to see what it says
[05:02] <UmbraChimera> and how to select things is dconf no mouse, enter sadly doesnt work
[05:06] <ianorlin> um might have to use nano as a text editor to edit the text file
[05:07] <UmbraChimera> you know the location for the mouse? i know its under org
[05:07] <UmbraChimera> but thats as far as i remember
[05:08] <UmbraChimera> thanks for trying to help so much again.
[05:08] <UmbraChimera> i really aprecaite it
[05:08]  * ianorlin knows
[05:09] <ianorlin> one other thing to try is cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and see if your device is blacklisted
[05:10] <UmbraChimera> usbmouse and usbkbd are blacklisted because it says hid are preferred
[05:11] <UmbraChimera> snd_aw2
[05:11] <UmbraChimera> eepro100
[05:12] <UmbraChimera> other things listed
[05:12] <UmbraChimera> but they say replaced
[05:15] <UmbraChimera> that might be my usb mouse problem, maybe
[05:20] <UmbraChimera> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.mouse active true
[05:20] <UmbraChimera> tried that, and nada
[05:20]  * ianorlin is stumped
[05:21] <UmbraChimera> *sigh* i saw a long drawn out thing about booting a live cd from grub2
[05:21] <UmbraChimera> you know anything about that?
[05:22] <ianorlin> no not from grub2
[05:23] <UmbraChimera> im not even sure i can do unetbootin no mouse, or if that will fix it now'
[05:23] <UmbraChimera> you know how to unblacklist?
[05:24] <UmbraChimera> maye if i do it usb mouse will work
[05:24] <UmbraChimera> i dont own a ps/2 mouse to test, and i cant just take hdd out and reinstall all via my computer, because yay hdd is older than SATA lol
[05:25] <ianorlin> nano etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and remove where it says blacklist usbmouse if you want to unblacklist it
[05:26] <UmbraChimera> you think thats a folly attempt?
[05:26] <ianorlin> might work
[05:28] <ianorlin> ah crud might need to sudo nano as saving outside of home
[05:29] <UmbraChimera> i sudo -i at the beginning of all this
[05:29] <ianorlin> ok
[05:31] <UmbraChimera> apt-get update to refresh it or are they avalible now?
[05:32] <UmbraChimera> im restarting atm going to see if booting with mouse plugged in does magic
[05:32] <ianorlin> ok
[05:33] <UmbraChimera> maybe usb mouse is   too new?
[05:33] <ianorlin> or try lsusb to see if it sees the mouse?
[05:33] <UmbraChimera> holy fuckwads the usb mouse works now
[05:33] <ianorlin> yay
[05:33] <UmbraChimera> just still fucked on the touchpad lol
[05:33] <ianorlin> !langauge
[05:34] <UmbraChimera> opps
[05:34] <UmbraChimera> >.<
[05:34] <UmbraChimera> my apoligies
[05:35] <ianorlin> might have to just use it with the mouse
[05:36] <UmbraChimera> not sure how they will fell about that lol
[05:39] <ianorlin> did you unblacklist the usb mouse?
[05:41] <UmbraChimera> yeah thats what i think made mine work
[05:41] <UmbraChimera> and usb keyboard
[05:42] <UmbraChimera> oi, this computer is still slow running lubuntu
[05:47] <UmbraChimera> is there a way to find out what the 2 unkown devices listed are?
[05:47] <ianorlin> 2 unkown devices?
[05:48] <UmbraChimera> yeah under additonal drivers now, (im trying to fix the wireless issue atm) i have broadcom, and then 2 devices that just say known and do not use is checked on one
[05:49] <UmbraChimera> and use smartlink modem is for the other
[05:50] <ianorlin> broadcom what?
[05:51] <UmbraChimera> broadcom corp: bcm4318
[05:51] <UmbraChimera> the wireless card
[05:52] <ianorlin> which driver the sta one?
[05:52] <UmbraChimera> yeah i know thats the issue with that now
[05:52] <UmbraChimera> just found that a min ago
[05:52] <UmbraChimera> i need bc4 or something else
[05:52] <ianorlin> bc43?
[05:53] <UmbraChimera> b43-fwcutter
[05:53] <UmbraChimera> is what it looks like ill need
[05:53] <UmbraChimera> and the installer
[17:58] <M4he> Hi! Can anybody tell me what's special about the Mac image of Lubuntu in comparison to the standard 64 bit image?
[17:58] <Unit193> The one for PPC?
[17:59] <M4he> no
[17:59] <M4he> the intel one
[18:00] <Myrtti> there's an image for intel macs?
[18:00] <M4he> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[18:00] <Unit193> Yep, not sure either.
[18:01] <bioterror> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.04/release/
[18:01] <bioterror> 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop image
[18:01] <bioterror> amd64+mac.iso
[18:01] <Myrtti> that's interesting
[18:01] <bioterror> might be something to do with the boot things
[18:01] <Unit193> Yep.
[18:03] <M4he> I already installed Xubuntu 13.04 using rEFIt on my MacBook without a problem. So I just wondered because this wasn't a special Mac image.
[22:14] <speckmade1> I feel a bit like prayin:
[22:14] <speckmade1> Can you please, please make sure that the next version of my favourite operating system ships a non-broken word processor?
[22:16] <Unit193> Hah, yeaaaah....  Abiword shouldn't be a silly git snapshot this time, or at least not a craptastic one.  Someone didn't ask before sync'ing.  (So Lubuntu got stuck with it.)
[22:16] <Unit193> !info abiword saucy
[22:16] <speckmade1> that version 2.9.2 of AbiWord is just not working acceptably and we're stuck with it for years already while there is the much better version 2.9.4 available for ages...