[00:04] <popey> Right, time for bed for me.
[06:33] <mihir___> Good Morning guys :)
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Monday and happy International Day for the Preservation of the Ozone Layer! :-D
[10:10] <dholbach> dpm, popey: do we know of folks who are struggling with getting their app submitted or are we generally fine?
[10:12] <popey> dholbach: right now we're okay.
[10:12] <dholbach> good
[10:12] <popey> The two issues that everyone got yesterday...
[10:13] <popey> some app developers wanted to use picture_files so they could store/use photos
[10:13] <popey> e.g. photos of recipes in Saucy Bacon, photos of memories in Memories app, and also in Cnotes
[10:14] <popey> the other issue seemed to be a backend problem. We wasted too much time yesterday with the developers trying to understand and fix a problem which it turns out isn't supported by the backend yet AIUI
[10:14] <popey>     "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all': "
[10:19] <dholbach> popey, if they ship binaries, like .so files, they can change the architecture in the manifest to 'armhf'
[10:19] <dholbach> popey, this should be automatic in the future
[10:19] <popey> they did
[10:19] <popey> we had people change the arch and it still complained
[10:19] <dholbach> oh?
[10:19] <popey> which led to the frustration because neither I nor nik90_ knew the solution
[10:19] <dholbach> then jdstrand or beuno can maybe shed some light on this
[10:19] <popey> i saw beuno had let an app through with a comment that the backend wasn't done, so I let others through
[10:22] <popey> dholbach: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/feedback/
[10:22] <dholbach> it seems Martin +1'd this and forgot to hit "approve"?
[10:24] <randomcpp> popey, hi :)
[10:24] <popey> hi randomcpp
[10:24] <randomcpp> yesterday I forgot to fix the bug with the keyboard
[10:24] <popey> that it obscures content?
[10:25] <randomcpp> but I don't know where to look :/
[10:25] <randomcpp> yep
[10:53] <nik90_> good morning everyone :)
[10:53] <randomcpp> nik90_, morning :)
[10:54]  * nik90_ is going to start reviewing apps now
[10:54] <randomcpp> nik90_, popey told me that on the phone, when the keyboard is showed, the textarea is covered by it
[10:54] <randomcpp> do you know if others had a similar issue?
[10:55] <nik90_> randomcpp: Do you mean the recipe instruction textfield?
[10:55] <randomcpp> yes
[10:55] <nik90_> randomcpp: yeah some othe people also had it
[10:55] <nik90_> randomcpp: I think you can fix it with anchortoKeyboard: true or something
[10:56] <nik90_> boiko knows about it but isnt online no
[10:56] <nik90_> now*
[10:56] <randomcpp> :/
[10:57] <randomcpp> nik90_, can I fix this kind of bugs even if the contest is over?
[10:58] <nik90_> randomcpp: I am not sure if it would taken in consideration while judging the app for contest, but people using your app would like a fix later.
[10:58] <nik90_> randomcpp: you should do it for them if not the contest
[10:59] <randomcpp> nik90_, ah ok..
[10:59] <nik90_> zsombi: I fixed many of the comments in the alarm MP.
[10:59] <nik90_> randomcpp: but what you have to understand is that if you have a bug then most likely many of them have it as well. So at the end of the day, you are in the same plane as others
[11:00] <zsombi> nik90_ I saw it, just haven't had time yet to check them...
[11:00] <randomcpp> nik90_, ok, so I shouldn't be worried
[11:00] <nik90_> zsombi: no worries
[11:02] <nik90_> randomcpp: yes
[11:28] <randomcpp> clepto, ping
[11:41] <clepto> randomcpp, pong
[11:59] <randomcpp> clepto, how did you get u1 sync?
[12:00] <clepto> randomcpp, I didn't, its not implemented yet I think
[12:00] <randomcpp> ah ok,
[12:00] <randomcpp> you scared me :p
[12:00] <clepto> haha
[12:00] <clepto> sorry :)
[12:00] <randomcpp> np :)
[12:04] <randomcpp> clepto, do you use ubuntu13.10 right?
[12:04] <clepto> randomcpp, 13.04
[12:05] <randomcpp> ah ok
[12:05] <randomcpp> I don't know why I have lag with animations in saucy with fglrx drivers
[12:05] <randomcpp> with raring I hadn't a problem
[12:06] <clepto> randomcpp, what gpu?
[12:06] <randomcpp> 5650 mobility hd
[12:06] <clepto> no idea...
[12:12] <jdstrand> nik90_: fyi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement#Application_environment
[12:59] <dholbach> jppiiroinen, I just saw your bug fix land for qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu - does it need an upload?
[13:15] <mefrio> beuno, hi :)
[13:15] <mefrio> beuno, have you said to judges about my app situation? :)
[13:16] <beuno> mefrio, I am passing it along, yes
[13:17] <mefrio> beuno, ok thank you :)
[13:35] <jppiiroinen> dholbach: Mirv is handling the stuff related to releasing :) ..i am just a tool ;P
[13:35] <dholbach> jppiiroinen, you're joking :)
[13:37] <dholbach> Mirv, was 2.8.1 ever uploaded or it this still in FF review?
[13:52] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/unskip-test/+merge/185806 ? it unskips and fixes an autopilot test that started consistently failing last week
[13:53] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: on it in a minute when i finish running AP tests on device for another MR i had pending
[13:54] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: thanks
[13:54] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: well, i'm actually gonna wait for jenkins to do its thing and then test the generated pacages on device
[13:54] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: makes sense
[13:55] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: speaking of which, how would you do this same thing on a readonly image ?
[13:55] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i switched back to cdimage-touch (without --pending) as i can't work on the ro images at all
[13:55] <nerochiaro> for now
[13:55] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: why not?
[13:55] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: they are ro, i can't install debs
[13:56] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i can't even push them on the device
[13:56] <timp> nerochiaro:  touch /userdata/.writable_image && reboot
[13:56] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: there was an e-mail sent to ubuntu-phone@ on Sept. 5 titled "System images now the recommended way to deploy and update Ubuntu Touch" that explains how to make the RO images RW
[13:57] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i need to figure out a way to handle that mailing list. it's too high traffic
[13:57] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i keep missing important things
[13:58] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: quickly scanning the subjects is usually enough to figure out whether a mail really is important or not
[13:58] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: hasn't been working very well for me judging from the results
[13:59] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: works for me, ymmv…
[14:05] <aquarius> dpm, ping about generic scopes
[14:54] <dpm> hi aquarius, I'm about to enter a call with our mutual bearded friend, but feel free to ask and I'll read the scrollback :)
[14:54] <aquarius> dpm, ha! say hello for me :)
[14:54] <dpm> will do :)
[14:55] <aquarius> dpm, my idea is this: having to write scopes in C is sad for people like me who are not good at C, and it's sad for the compile step (which is hard if you need to cross-compile for arm, set up your environment so that's possible, etc).
[14:55] <aquarius> dpm, I think it ought to be possible to write, in C, a "generic scope", which receives JSON from a URL and renders its output.
[14:56] <dpm> aquarius, indeed. I was actually thinking about this. The template we've got on Qt Creator has no backend, and extending it to use a JSON backend might be a very good idea
[14:57] <dpm> note also that we recommend folks to develop scopes to run on the smart scopes server, so cross-compilation won't be as much of a pain unless you really want to run your scope locally
[14:57] <aquarius> That is: you add to the .scope file the URL to fetch (so there's a new entry, X-Ubuntu-Generic-Scope-Search-URL: http://myserver.com/search?q=%s) and the URL to fetch data about an individual item (so there's a new entry, X-Ubuntu-Generic-Scope-Search-URL: http://myserver.com/item?id=%s), and the scope is hardcoded to look for JSON that looks like {items: [ { id: "item1", image: "url of image", title: "title"
[14:57] <aquarius> , description: "dscription" }, ... ] }
[14:58] <aquarius> the idea here is that instead of writing a scope which works with the HTTP API my service provides, I use the generic scope and then provide an HTTP API that it can consume.
[14:58] <davidcalle> aquarius, maybe with some manifest like -> title:['result']['title'];i con:['result']['image']['thumbnail']
[14:58] <davidcalle> manifest file*
[14:58] <aquarius> and all the customisation of the generic scope (which is not much) is done in the .scope file.
[14:59] <aquarius> pressing the "Open" button on a preview would run the command defined in the scope file,
[14:59] <aquarius> So if I wanted to write a service, I would write a .scope definition file and ship a shell script which does what I want to open an item
[15:00] <snizzo> how can I tell a webview to expand inside a Column item?
[15:00] <aquarius> and then my scope definition file would name *the generic scope* as my scope executable.
[15:00] <aquarius> that way, I can write scopes without having to compile anything, without having to set up a cross-compile thing.
[15:01] <aquarius> dpm, davidcalle, it would be possible to make this more complicated -- that is, define in the manifest how to parse the JSON feed. But I think that's too complex for step 1. Just state "your JSON feed has to look like THIS." and if you want to do something else, you have to write a C scope yourself.
[15:02] <aquarius> I can imagine Generic Scope Version 2 could have a thing in the manifest defining how to parse the feed, what the names of the attributes are, etc. But version 1 should just define what it wants a feed to look like, and you change the feed to look like it expects.
[15:03] <aquarius> snizzo, what does "expand" mean in this context? if you want it to be expanded widthwise, set anchors.left:parent.left, anchors.right:parent.right or similar.
[15:05] <snizzo> aquarius: isn't that not allowed to do inside a column?
[15:05] <aquarius> snizzo, a column lines up stuff vertically. It doesn't affect the horizontal width of your items, so if you want them to have a certain width you need to set iut
[15:26] <nerochiaro> bfiller: at the moment it looks like there's no QML bindings for libusermetrics, but if we want more apps to be abe to add data I think it might be a good idea to create them ?
[15:27] <nerochiaro> bfiller: camera app just exposes a few methods from it to the QML side
[15:27] <bfiller> nerochiaro: can we do the same in other apps for short term? otherwise I agree full bindings would be desireable
[15:28] <nerochiaro> bfiller: yes, it's not a problem to do that in other apps too, if you think it's best for the moment
[15:28] <bfiller> nerochiaro: how much of an effort would it be to make proper bindings?
[15:30] <nerochiaro> bfiller: a day or two i think, from what i've seen up to now.
[15:33] <bfiller> nerochiaro: guess it makes sense to start on the bindings but just for the functions we need for the apps
[15:35] <nerochiaro> bfiller: sounds good
[15:56] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: would you mind approving https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/skip-flaky-test-slow-configs/+merge/185847 ? no need to wait for CI to run in this case, as all it does is skip a test known to be flaky
[16:05] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: done
[16:05] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: thanks
[16:34] <dholbach> Mirv, shall I sponsor an upload of qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu?
[16:35] <dholbach> it seems like there's a couple of good fixes in trunk
[16:39] <dholbach> bzoltan, ^ what do you think?
[16:40] <dholbach> bzoltan, I was also thinking: is 2.8.1 going to land?
[16:44] <dholbach> beuno, do you have any idea what we can do about https://plus.google.com/112114577111064174226/posts/ijRukyX7wpB?
[16:45]  * beuno looks
[16:46] <beuno> dholbach, yeah, keep bumping the version
[16:46] <beuno> we're working on the underlying problem
[16:46] <dholbach> beuno, which version would you suggest there?
[16:46] <beuno> dholbach, it doesn't matter, just a new one  :)
[16:48] <dholbach> beuno, ok, I replied
[16:49] <beuno> dholbach, https://oops.canonical.com/oops/?oopsid=OOPS-630af07045d743b0b05aa33723c01f21
[16:49] <beuno> as you can see, the error is that the version already exists
[16:50] <beuno> dholbach, there is a combination of steps that leaves people in this state, we are addressing them so they don't happen again
[16:50] <dholbach> awesome, thanks
[17:17] <popey> thanks beuno
[17:38] <om26er> salem_, ping
[17:38] <salem_> om26er, pong
[17:39] <om26er> salem_, if I call to my ubuntu phone and I don't see any notification on the screen which package to blame
[17:39] <salem_> om26er, can you hear the ringtone?
[17:39] <om26er> no notification, no sound but the phone through which I am dialing says that the call is outgoing indeed
[17:40] <om26er> salem_, no, neither the ringtone
[17:40] <salem_> om26er, is the call accepted? or the other phone keeps ringing?
[17:41] <om26er> salem_, the phone keeps ringing since I don't have a way to pick it up
[17:41] <salem_> om26er, ok. can you check if tp-ofono is running?
[17:41] <salem_> om26er, telepathy-ofono is the process name
[17:42] <om26er> salem_, yes telepathy-ofono is running
[17:42] <salem_> om26er, what about ofonod?
[17:42] <salem_> om26er, and phone-app-approver?
[17:43] <om26er> salem_, should all these things be in the result of ps -ax ?
[17:43] <om26er> ofonod seems to be running
[17:43] <salem_> om26er, yes
[17:43] <salem_> om26er, sorry, it's not phone-app-approver, it telephony-service-approver
[17:44] <om26er> salem_, everything is running it seems
[17:45] <salem_> om26er, can you run "dbus-monitor > call.log", reproduce the bug and then send me the log?
[17:45] <om26er> salem_, in one of the cases I noted that there was no rington or the accept/reject dialog but the screen did lighten up when I called
[17:46] <om26er> salem_, sure, I am going to have to be able to reproduce the bug again for that. It happened 2-3 times while we were chatting but now its not happening
[17:46] <om26er> I'll reboot the phone
[17:46] <salem_> om26er, ok. thanks
[17:57] <om26er> boiko, hello
[17:57] <boiko> hey om26er
[17:58] <om26er> boiko, can you have a look at this bug please (bug 1226157)
[17:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1226157 in dialer-app (Ubuntu) "the 'back' button in the dialer panel should lighten when there is some number written" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226157
[17:58] <om26er> yeah, the title is not that great
[17:59] <boiko> om26er: so disable the backspace button when there is no text to erase, is that it?
[18:00] <om26er> boiko, it actually looks faded in its initial form, rather lighten it up when there is some number dialed
[18:00] <bzoltan> dholbach: We decided not to push it to 13.10 with an FFe, too much hustle for few weeks before T queue opens
[18:01] <boiko> om26er: actually that's because the default asset is gray, we need to colorize that
[18:01] <om26er> boiko, do you need some design for that ? aka icon etc ?
[18:02] <boiko> om26er: don't think so, I think we can colorize the icon in the UI, I will check that later
[18:02] <om26er> boiko, cool, thank you. I have another smaller bug incoming as well
[18:02] <om26er> :)
[18:02] <boiko> om26er: sure, keep them coming :)
[18:04] <iBelieve> popey, ping
[18:04] <popey> iBelieve: pong
[18:06] <iBelieve> popey, you mentioned in our last meeting about me helping with another app. Have you picked one that could use more help, or should I just pick one? I was thinking about implementing the visual designs for Stock Ticker that Lucas Romero Di Benedetto made.
[18:06] <iBelieve> popey, these designs: lucasromerodb.wordpress.com/2013/08/02/stock-ticker-v02/
[18:06] <popey> iBelieve: So glad you asked!
[18:07] <popey> iBelieve: I have a to-do list item to contact people for exactly this reason ☻
[18:07] <popey> iBelieve: we're looking for someone to do exactly what you described, if you're up for it, that would be great!
[18:09] <iBelieve> popey, cool, that's what I'll work on then. I love implementing awesome UI designs :)
[18:09] <popey> Sweet!
[18:09] <popey> Thanks iBelieve !
[18:29] <om26er> boiko, bug 1226177
[18:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1226177 in dialer-app (Ubuntu) "The 'All Contacts' text is at an odd place" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226177
[18:30] <boiko> om26er: odd place you mean it is under the header?
[18:31] <om26er> boiko, yes under the header is fine but, there are few padding problems and I don't think that place is good for any sub title
[18:31] <om26er> because there is no enough space.
[18:31] <om26er> needs design ?
[18:31] <boiko> om26er: it is not a subtitle, that's the problem :)
[18:31] <boiko> om26er: this is to separate the Favourites from all the other contacts
[18:31] <om26er> boiko, I suggested a long term solution in the bug report to use something we do in unity8
[18:31] <boiko> om26er: try running the address-book-app
[18:32] <om26er> boiko, yeah, looks fine in the address book app
[18:32] <om26er> boiko, see my attached screenshot in the above bug
[18:32] <boiko> om26er: so, this design is not even final yet, we are not sure what the tabs will look like in the dialer app
[18:33] <boiko> om26er: the bug here is that the listview is appearing under the header when you first start it, if you scroll it down you can see what the correct position is
[18:33] <boiko> I think there is a bug reported for that
[18:33] <om26er> boiko, yeah, that sounds like the bug
[18:36] <boiko> om26er: anyway, I will take the bug a look tomorrow probably
[18:36] <om26er> boiko, you are in the bug fixing mode, right ? (or is there still something coming ?)
[18:37] <boiko> om26er: there are still some things coming
[18:37] <om26er> ugh :/
[18:38] <boiko> om26er: mostly changes to the history-service though
[18:38] <om26er> boiko, I'll keep the bugs coming for the next 4 weeks, but i'll make sure to bug you once a day instead of bugging for each bug separately
[18:38] <boiko> om26er: haha, that's fine :)
[18:39] <boiko> om26er: once we get to finish the missing bits the focus will be only on bugs, so then you can ping me for each and every bug you find :)
[18:39] <om26er> boiko, ok cool. dialer and messaging are on my plate to pursue so we'll be talking much
[18:41] <boiko> salem_: ^
[18:41] <boiko> om26er: that's good to hear :)
[21:24] <AskUbuntu> How to make ubuntu realize application type? | http://askubuntu.com/q/346419
[21:30] <om26er> salem_, this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6116765/
[21:30] <om26er> dbus-monitor > dial.log was running when this problem happened this time
[21:30] <om26er> logs at the very end must be of use
[21:32] <salem_> om26er, interesting. nothing is wrong here. perhaps telephony-service-approver is stuck
[21:33] <salem_> om26er, can you try killing it and calling the phone again?
[21:33] <om26er> salem_, I have found a way to reproduce as well, I just keep trying multiple times and during one of the times the problem happens
[21:34] <salem_> om26er, ah, I think this is a known bug. if you try again some seconds later, does the notification appear?
[21:35] <om26er> salem_, I killed telephony-service-approver and the problem is still there
[21:35] <om26er> salem_, it does not appear at all even after a few seconds as you say
[21:35] <salem_> om26er, ok, but was it relaunched once you made another call?
[21:36] <om26er> salem_, yes, it seems to have relaunched
[21:36] <om26er> salem_, also the screen does turn on, just there is no sound or notification
[21:36] <salem_> om26er, what if you send a text?
[21:39] <om26er> salem_, there is no sms notification as well during that problem
[21:39] <salem_> om26er, no sound as well?
[21:39] <om26er> salem_, yep, no sound
[21:40] <salem_> om26er, can you try playing a video from video lens and check if you have sound?
[21:42] <om26er> salem_, I tested in the settings app and there is no sound in there during the time of problem,
[21:47] <salem_> om26er, ok. can you log a bug about it?
[21:51] <om26er> salem_, sure
[21:51] <om26er> salem_, my phone automatically calls the other phone sometimes
[21:51] <om26er> after the above issue happens
[21:59] <salem_> om26er, that's weird. do you have dialer-app open?
[21:59] <om26er> salem_, no, not necessarily
[22:00] <salem_> om26er, ok. please, provide all this information in your bug report.
[22:00] <om26er> salem_, which package should I report the bug for ?
[22:01] <om26er> or the launchpad project
[22:02] <salem_> om26er, telephony-service