[00:04] Right, time for bed for me. === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [06:33] Good Morning guys :) [06:49] good morning === JamesTait is now known as Guest56433 === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [09:01] Good morning all, happy Monday and happy International Day for the Preservation of the Ozone Layer! :-D [10:10] dpm, popey: do we know of folks who are struggling with getting their app submitted or are we generally fine? [10:12] dholbach: right now we're okay. [10:12] good [10:12] The two issues that everyone got yesterday... [10:13] some app developers wanted to use picture_files so they could store/use photos [10:13] e.g. photos of recipes in Saucy Bacon, photos of memories in Memories app, and also in Cnotes [10:14] the other issue seemed to be a backend problem. We wasted too much time yesterday with the developers trying to understand and fix a problem which it turns out isn't supported by the backend yet AIUI [10:14] "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all': " [10:19] popey, if they ship binaries, like .so files, they can change the architecture in the manifest to 'armhf' [10:19] popey, this should be automatic in the future [10:19] they did [10:19] we had people change the arch and it still complained [10:19] oh? [10:19] which led to the frustration because neither I nor nik90_ knew the solution [10:19] then jdstrand or beuno can maybe shed some light on this [10:19] i saw beuno had let an app through with a comment that the backend wasn't done, so I let others through [10:22] dholbach: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/61/feedback/ [10:22] it seems Martin +1'd this and forgot to hit "approve"? [10:24] popey, hi :) [10:24] hi randomcpp [10:24] yesterday I forgot to fix the bug with the keyboard [10:24] that it obscures content? [10:25] but I don't know where to look :/ [10:25] yep === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [10:53] good morning everyone :) [10:53] nik90_, morning :) [10:54] * nik90_ is going to start reviewing apps now [10:54] nik90_, popey told me that on the phone, when the keyboard is showed, the textarea is covered by it [10:54] do you know if others had a similar issue? [10:55] randomcpp: Do you mean the recipe instruction textfield? [10:55] yes [10:55] randomcpp: yeah some othe people also had it [10:55] randomcpp: I think you can fix it with anchortoKeyboard: true or something [10:56] boiko knows about it but isnt online no [10:56] now* [10:56] :/ [10:57] nik90_, can I fix this kind of bugs even if the contest is over? [10:58] randomcpp: I am not sure if it would taken in consideration while judging the app for contest, but people using your app would like a fix later. [10:58] randomcpp: you should do it for them if not the contest [10:59] nik90_, ah ok.. [10:59] zsombi: I fixed many of the comments in the alarm MP. [10:59] randomcpp: but what you have to understand is that if you have a bug then most likely many of them have it as well. So at the end of the day, you are in the same plane as others [11:00] nik90_ I saw it, just haven't had time yet to check them... [11:00] nik90_, ok, so I shouldn't be worried [11:00] zsombi: no worries [11:02] randomcpp: yes === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [11:28] clepto, ping [11:41] randomcpp, pong [11:59] clepto, how did you get u1 sync? [12:00] randomcpp, I didn't, its not implemented yet I think [12:00] ah ok, [12:00] you scared me :p [12:00] haha [12:00] sorry :) [12:00] np :) [12:04] clepto, do you use ubuntu13.10 right? [12:04] randomcpp, 13.04 [12:05] ah ok [12:05] I don't know why I have lag with animations in saucy with fglrx drivers [12:05] with raring I hadn't a problem [12:06] randomcpp, what gpu? [12:06] 5650 mobility hd [12:06] no idea... === randomcpp is now known as randomcpp|afk [12:12] nik90_: fyi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement#Application_environment === _salem is now known as salem_ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:59] jppiiroinen, I just saw your bug fix land for qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu - does it need an upload? [13:15] beuno, hi :) [13:15] beuno, have you said to judges about my app situation? :) [13:16] mefrio, I am passing it along, yes [13:17] beuno, ok thank you :) [13:35] dholbach: Mirv is handling the stuff related to releasing :) ..i am just a tool ;P [13:35] jppiiroinen, you're joking :) [13:37] Mirv, was 2.8.1 ever uploaded or it this still in FF review? [13:52] nerochiaro: would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/unskip-test/+merge/185806 ? it unskips and fixes an autopilot test that started consistently failing last week [13:53] oSoMoN: on it in a minute when i finish running AP tests on device for another MR i had pending [13:54] nerochiaro: thanks [13:54] oSoMoN: well, i'm actually gonna wait for jenkins to do its thing and then test the generated pacages on device [13:54] nerochiaro: makes sense [13:55] oSoMoN: speaking of which, how would you do this same thing on a readonly image ? [13:55] oSoMoN: i switched back to cdimage-touch (without --pending) as i can't work on the ro images at all [13:55] for now [13:55] nerochiaro: why not? [13:55] oSoMoN: they are ro, i can't install debs [13:56] oSoMoN: i can't even push them on the device [13:56] nerochiaro: touch /userdata/.writable_image && reboot [13:56] nerochiaro: there was an e-mail sent to ubuntu-phone@ on Sept. 5 titled "System images now the recommended way to deploy and update Ubuntu Touch" that explains how to make the RO images RW [13:57] oSoMoN: i need to figure out a way to handle that mailing list. it's too high traffic [13:57] oSoMoN: i keep missing important things [13:58] nerochiaro: quickly scanning the subjects is usually enough to figure out whether a mail really is important or not [13:58] oSoMoN: hasn't been working very well for me judging from the results [13:59] nerochiaro: works for me, ymmv… [14:05] dpm, ping about generic scopes === _5m0k3 is now known as wellsb [14:54] hi aquarius, I'm about to enter a call with our mutual bearded friend, but feel free to ask and I'll read the scrollback :) [14:54] dpm, ha! say hello for me :) [14:54] will do :) [14:55] dpm, my idea is this: having to write scopes in C is sad for people like me who are not good at C, and it's sad for the compile step (which is hard if you need to cross-compile for arm, set up your environment so that's possible, etc). [14:55] dpm, I think it ought to be possible to write, in C, a "generic scope", which receives JSON from a URL and renders its output. [14:56] aquarius, indeed. I was actually thinking about this. The template we've got on Qt Creator has no backend, and extending it to use a JSON backend might be a very good idea [14:57] note also that we recommend folks to develop scopes to run on the smart scopes server, so cross-compilation won't be as much of a pain unless you really want to run your scope locally [14:57] That is: you add to the .scope file the URL to fetch (so there's a new entry, X-Ubuntu-Generic-Scope-Search-URL: http://myserver.com/search?q=%s) and the URL to fetch data about an individual item (so there's a new entry, X-Ubuntu-Generic-Scope-Search-URL: http://myserver.com/item?id=%s), and the scope is hardcoded to look for JSON that looks like {items: [ { id: "item1", image: "url of image", title: "title" [14:57] , description: "dscription" }, ... ] } [14:58] the idea here is that instead of writing a scope which works with the HTTP API my service provides, I use the generic scope and then provide an HTTP API that it can consume. [14:58] aquarius, maybe with some manifest like -> title:['result']['title'];i con:['result']['image']['thumbnail'] [14:58] manifest file* [14:58] and all the customisation of the generic scope (which is not much) is done in the .scope file. [14:59] pressing the "Open" button on a preview would run the command defined in the scope file, [14:59] So if I wanted to write a service, I would write a .scope definition file and ship a shell script which does what I want to open an item [15:00] how can I tell a webview to expand inside a Column item? [15:00] and then my scope definition file would name *the generic scope* as my scope executable. [15:00] that way, I can write scopes without having to compile anything, without having to set up a cross-compile thing. [15:01] dpm, davidcalle, it would be possible to make this more complicated -- that is, define in the manifest how to parse the JSON feed. But I think that's too complex for step 1. Just state "your JSON feed has to look like THIS." and if you want to do something else, you have to write a C scope yourself. [15:02] I can imagine Generic Scope Version 2 could have a thing in the manifest defining how to parse the feed, what the names of the attributes are, etc. But version 1 should just define what it wants a feed to look like, and you change the feed to look like it expects. [15:03] snizzo, what does "expand" mean in this context? if you want it to be expanded widthwise, set anchors.left:parent.left, anchors.right:parent.right or similar. [15:05] aquarius: isn't that not allowed to do inside a column? [15:05] snizzo, a column lines up stuff vertically. It doesn't affect the horizontal width of your items, so if you want them to have a certain width you need to set iut [15:26] bfiller: at the moment it looks like there's no QML bindings for libusermetrics, but if we want more apps to be abe to add data I think it might be a good idea to create them ? [15:27] bfiller: camera app just exposes a few methods from it to the QML side [15:27] nerochiaro: can we do the same in other apps for short term? otherwise I agree full bindings would be desireable [15:28] bfiller: yes, it's not a problem to do that in other apps too, if you think it's best for the moment [15:28] nerochiaro: how much of an effort would it be to make proper bindings? [15:30] bfiller: a day or two i think, from what i've seen up to now. [15:33] nerochiaro: guess it makes sense to start on the bindings but just for the functions we need for the apps [15:35] bfiller: sounds good [15:56] nerochiaro: would you mind approving https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/skip-flaky-test-slow-configs/+merge/185847 ? no need to wait for CI to run in this case, as all it does is skip a test known to be flaky [16:05] oSoMoN: done [16:05] nerochiaro: thanks [16:34] Mirv, shall I sponsor an upload of qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu? [16:35] it seems like there's a couple of good fixes in trunk [16:39] bzoltan, ^ what do you think? [16:40] bzoltan, I was also thinking: is 2.8.1 going to land? [16:44] beuno, do you have any idea what we can do about https://plus.google.com/112114577111064174226/posts/ijRukyX7wpB? [16:45] * beuno looks [16:46] dholbach, yeah, keep bumping the version [16:46] we're working on the underlying problem [16:46] beuno, which version would you suggest there? [16:46] dholbach, it doesn't matter, just a new one :) [16:48] beuno, ok, I replied [16:49] dholbach, https://oops.canonical.com/oops/?oopsid=OOPS-630af07045d743b0b05aa33723c01f21 [16:49] as you can see, the error is that the version already exists [16:50] dholbach, there is a combination of steps that leaves people in this state, we are addressing them so they don't happen again [16:50] awesome, thanks === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [17:17] thanks beuno [17:38] salem_, ping [17:38] om26er, pong [17:39] salem_, if I call to my ubuntu phone and I don't see any notification on the screen which package to blame [17:39] om26er, can you hear the ringtone? [17:39] no notification, no sound but the phone through which I am dialing says that the call is outgoing indeed [17:40] salem_, no, neither the ringtone [17:40] om26er, is the call accepted? or the other phone keeps ringing? [17:41] salem_, the phone keeps ringing since I don't have a way to pick it up [17:41] om26er, ok. can you check if tp-ofono is running? [17:41] om26er, telepathy-ofono is the process name [17:42] salem_, yes telepathy-ofono is running [17:42] om26er, what about ofonod? [17:42] om26er, and phone-app-approver? [17:43] salem_, should all these things be in the result of ps -ax ? [17:43] ofonod seems to be running [17:43] om26er, yes [17:43] om26er, sorry, it's not phone-app-approver, it telephony-service-approver [17:44] salem_, everything is running it seems [17:45] om26er, can you run "dbus-monitor > call.log", reproduce the bug and then send me the log? [17:45] salem_, in one of the cases I noted that there was no rington or the accept/reject dialog but the screen did lighten up when I called [17:46] salem_, sure, I am going to have to be able to reproduce the bug again for that. It happened 2-3 times while we were chatting but now its not happening [17:46] I'll reboot the phone [17:46] om26er, ok. thanks [17:57] boiko, hello [17:57] hey om26er [17:58] boiko, can you have a look at this bug please (bug 1226157) [17:58] Launchpad bug 1226157 in dialer-app (Ubuntu) "the 'back' button in the dialer panel should lighten when there is some number written" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226157 [17:58] yeah, the title is not that great [17:59] om26er: so disable the backspace button when there is no text to erase, is that it? [18:00] boiko, it actually looks faded in its initial form, rather lighten it up when there is some number dialed [18:00] dholbach: We decided not to push it to 13.10 with an FFe, too much hustle for few weeks before T queue opens [18:01] om26er: actually that's because the default asset is gray, we need to colorize that [18:01] boiko, do you need some design for that ? aka icon etc ? [18:02] om26er: don't think so, I think we can colorize the icon in the UI, I will check that later [18:02] boiko, cool, thank you. I have another smaller bug incoming as well [18:02] :) [18:02] om26er: sure, keep them coming :) [18:04] popey, ping [18:04] iBelieve: pong [18:06] popey, you mentioned in our last meeting about me helping with another app. Have you picked one that could use more help, or should I just pick one? I was thinking about implementing the visual designs for Stock Ticker that Lucas Romero Di Benedetto made. [18:06] popey, these designs: lucasromerodb.wordpress.com/2013/08/02/stock-ticker-v02/ [18:06] iBelieve: So glad you asked! [18:07] iBelieve: I have a to-do list item to contact people for exactly this reason ☻ [18:07] iBelieve: we're looking for someone to do exactly what you described, if you're up for it, that would be great! [18:09] popey, cool, that's what I'll work on then. I love implementing awesome UI designs :) [18:09] Sweet! [18:09] Thanks iBelieve ! [18:29] boiko, bug 1226177 [18:29] Launchpad bug 1226177 in dialer-app (Ubuntu) "The 'All Contacts' text is at an odd place" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226177 [18:30] om26er: odd place you mean it is under the header? [18:31] boiko, yes under the header is fine but, there are few padding problems and I don't think that place is good for any sub title [18:31] because there is no enough space. [18:31] needs design ? [18:31] om26er: it is not a subtitle, that's the problem :) [18:31] om26er: this is to separate the Favourites from all the other contacts [18:31] boiko, I suggested a long term solution in the bug report to use something we do in unity8 [18:31] om26er: try running the address-book-app [18:32] boiko, yeah, looks fine in the address book app [18:32] boiko, see my attached screenshot in the above bug [18:32] om26er: so, this design is not even final yet, we are not sure what the tabs will look like in the dialer app [18:33] om26er: the bug here is that the listview is appearing under the header when you first start it, if you scroll it down you can see what the correct position is [18:33] I think there is a bug reported for that [18:33] boiko, yeah, that sounds like the bug [18:36] om26er: anyway, I will take the bug a look tomorrow probably [18:36] boiko, you are in the bug fixing mode, right ? (or is there still something coming ?) [18:37] om26er: there are still some things coming [18:37] ugh :/ [18:38] om26er: mostly changes to the history-service though [18:38] boiko, I'll keep the bugs coming for the next 4 weeks, but i'll make sure to bug you once a day instead of bugging for each bug separately [18:38] om26er: haha, that's fine :) [18:39] om26er: once we get to finish the missing bits the focus will be only on bugs, so then you can ping me for each and every bug you find :) [18:39] boiko, ok cool. dialer and messaging are on my plate to pursue so we'll be talking much [18:41] salem_: ^ [18:41] om26er: that's good to hear :) === bfiller is now known as bfiller_brb === bfiller_brb is now known as bfiller [21:24] How to make ubuntu realize application type? | http://askubuntu.com/q/346419 [21:30] salem_, this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6116765/ [21:30] dbus-monitor > dial.log was running when this problem happened this time [21:30] logs at the very end must be of use [21:32] om26er, interesting. nothing is wrong here. perhaps telephony-service-approver is stuck [21:33] om26er, can you try killing it and calling the phone again? [21:33] salem_, I have found a way to reproduce as well, I just keep trying multiple times and during one of the times the problem happens [21:34] om26er, ah, I think this is a known bug. if you try again some seconds later, does the notification appear? [21:35] salem_, I killed telephony-service-approver and the problem is still there [21:35] salem_, it does not appear at all even after a few seconds as you say [21:35] om26er, ok, but was it relaunched once you made another call? [21:36] salem_, yes, it seems to have relaunched [21:36] salem_, also the screen does turn on, just there is no sound or notification [21:36] om26er, what if you send a text? [21:39] salem_, there is no sms notification as well during that problem [21:39] om26er, no sound as well? [21:39] salem_, yep, no sound [21:40] om26er, can you try playing a video from video lens and check if you have sound? [21:42] salem_, I tested in the settings app and there is no sound in there during the time of problem, [21:47] om26er, ok. can you log a bug about it? [21:51] salem_, sure [21:51] salem_, my phone automatically calls the other phone sometimes [21:51] after the above issue happens [21:59] om26er, that's weird. do you have dialer-app open? [21:59] salem_, no, not necessarily [22:00] om26er, ok. please, provide all this information in your bug report. [22:00] salem_, which package should I report the bug for ? [22:01] or the launchpad project [22:02] om26er, telephony-service === salem_ is now known as _salem