| darkxst | jbicha, so folks is failing to build because PKG_CONFIG_PATH is not set correctly, even though it is correct in the Makefiles, any idea on this? | 01:33 |
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| darkxst | jbicha, https://git.gnome.org/browse/folks/commit/?id=b1735191b8119484488c0deadd3e9c1b9ff38eb0, just doesnt seem available to the build system | 01:36 |
| bjsnider | darkxst, you could set "echo PKG_CONFIG_PATH" in rules before configure to see what it's using | 02:43 |
| bjsnider | forgot the $ | 02:44 |
| bjsnider | but you get it | 02:44 |
| darkxst | I know what its using, but well the problem is its not exported | 02:46 |
| darkxst | I did export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$(DEB_BUILDDIR) in rules which worked atleast | 02:46 |
| bjsnider | wasn't this a problem in other folks packages, or has it all of a sudden reared its ugly head? | 02:56 |
| bjsnider | the last version that built error-free had some other way to find the pc file, or didn't require it at all? | 02:56 |
| darkxst | the stuff that was failing was added since the last package | 02:57 |
| darkxst | and it was just the pkgconfig calls from the gir scanner not picking up the correct PKG_CONFIG_PATH | 03:01 |
| bjsnider | i have to remember this if it comes up in the future | 03:23 |
| ricotz | darkxst, hi | 05:17 |
| darkxst | hi ricotz | 05:18 |
| ricotz | Please use something like "Breaks: libecal-1.2-15 (>= 3.9)" | 05:19 |
| ricotz | you can't just conflict with all previous versions since the e-d-s 3.8 packages are fine | 05:19 |
| ricotz | but i guess there is no way that a normal package manager will solve this easily | 05:21 |
| darkxst | ok I can change it | 05:26 |
| ricotz | this will make it possible to install things without having to rebuild all rdepends since there are quite some | 05:26 |
| darkxst | or should I just break on the broken package ie (= 3.9.91-0ubuntu1~saucy1) | 05:27 |
| ricotz | but it will probably lead to a ppa-purge and reinstall for normal users anyway to get out of this | 05:28 |
| ricotz | this wider break/replace might be better | 05:28 |
| ricotz | since it won't leave people with 3.9.x versions | 05:28 |
| darkxst | ok | 05:36 |
| ricotz | darkxst, i am going to push some rebuilds for the gnome-desktop transition | 05:40 |
| darkxst | ricotz, right go ahead, I was going to get to that, but got tied up with the folks mess ... | 05:41 |
| ricotz | darkxst, what was the reasoning to update gnome-session to 3.9.x in saucy directly? | 05:59 |
| darkxst | I have no idea about gnome-session update | 05:59 |
| ricotz | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/gnome-session/3.9.90-0ubuntu2 | 06:00 |
| ricotz | oh, your name says otherwise ;) | 06:00 |
| ricotz | gnome-session will require gnome-desktop 3.9 which isnt in saucy | 06:01 |
| darkxst | that was just a simple patch to desktop file, jbicha uploaded 3.9.90 | 06:02 |
| ricotz | ah ok | 06:02 |
| ricotz | anyway 3.9.91 can't be uploaded to saucy | 06:03 |
| darkxst | 3.9.91 is very broken anyway | 06:03 |
| ricotz | because it need g-d3, or anything besides that? | 06:03 |
| darkxst | gdm won't even run, failing with some X error | 06:05 |
| darkxst | but I havent had a chance to look into it yet | 06:05 |
| darkxst | I was building it against g-d 3.9.91 though | 06:07 |
| ricotz | i see | 06:08 |
| ricotz | maybe i will take a look later | 06:09 |
| darkxst | ricotz, debdiff for 91 http://paste.ubuntu.com/6113710/ | 06:13 |
| ricotz | darkxst, thanks, could you use a "normal" pastebin | 06:15 |
| ricotz | i mean not something where you need to login to get a raw version | 06:15 |
| ricotz | like paste,debian.net | 06:16 |
| darkxst | sorry didnt realise that, that is stupid | 06:16 |
| ricotz | "* debian/control.in: b-d on gnome-desktop3" >> "* debian/control.in: Bump b-d on gnome-desktop3" ? | 06:17 |
| ricotz | yeah, that is why i never use this paste service | 06:18 |
| darkxst | it depends on some change in 91 | 06:21 |
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| ricotz | yes, adding "Bump .." make more sense | 06:21 |
| darkxst | as in version numbers in the changelog? | 06:22 |
| ricotz | that is another story which i would prefer myself | 06:23 |
| ricotz | i mean the actual missing word "Bump" | 06:23 |
| ricotz | g2g | 06:23 |
| darkxst | oh oops ;) | 06:24 |
| ricotz | darkxst, alright downgrading libebackend-1.2-6, libecal-1.2-15, libedata-cal-1.2-20 and libedataserver-1.2-17 to their 3.8.4 saucy versions resolves the e-d-s problem | 06:54 |
| ricotz | darkxst, ping | 09:40 |
| ricotz | darkxst, gnome-session 3.9.91 seems to work fine here | 09:40 |
| ricotz | could be related to some fixes in mutter git if it really fails for you | 09:46 |
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| amjjawad | Knock knock :) | 20:03 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: are you there? | 20:03 |
| amjjawad | ok, darkxst is not here yet :) | 20:05 |
| amjjawad | jbicha: hi | 20:05 |
| darkxst | hi amjjawad | 20:08 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: hi :) | 20:09 |
| jbicha | hi, I'm half here | 20:09 |
| amjjawad | jbicha: hi, since you are half here, that is good :D I just need one Q :) | 20:10 |
| amjjawad | Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 will be an LTS release or not? | 20:10 |
| darkxst | ricotz, ok, I was building against mutter 91, will try again | 20:10 |
| jbicha | I won't be here for 14.04 | 20:10 |
| amjjawad | jbicha: then who will take care of your work?? | 20:11 |
| jbicha | I believe Ubuntu GNOME is off to a great start, the first alpha was only released a year ago this month | 20:12 |
| amjjawad | as far as I know, jbicha and ricotz are the main devs, right? | 20:13 |
| jbicha | you forgot darkxst | 20:13 |
| amjjawad | of course :) | 20:14 |
| amjjawad | so you are saying, you are handing over everything to darkxst and ricotz ?? | 20:14 |
| jbicha | I was hoping that some of the Canonical guys (Laney & robert_ancell) would have chipped in more, but Ubuntu Phone was such a huge undertaking that there's been no time for them | 20:14 |
| amjjawad | no doubt about that | 20:15 |
| jbicha | yes I've been telling people that I'm on my way out for several months | 20:16 |
| amjjawad | anyway, good luck jbicha wherever you go and hope your new challenge is something you are going to enjoy :) and yes, I have read your blog the other day :) | 20:16 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: it seems we are only few so shall we start the meeting or what? :D | 20:17 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, sure, you know how to drive meetingology? | 20:17 |
| amjjawad | haha I was about to ask you to chair :P | 20:17 |
| amjjawad | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 20:17 |
| amjjawad | I did quick read here but have never chaired a meeting. Yes, I am the most one who used to talk/write with Lubuntu Meetings but never chared. Julien was the boss :) | 20:18 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, you can chair then ;) | 20:19 |
| amjjawad | O_o | 20:19 |
| amjjawad | that is bad news haha | 20:19 |
| amjjawad | let me try ... haven't done that before | 20:19 |
| amjjawad | I don't know the command for saving the log to a wiki page? | 20:19 |
| amjjawad | #chair amjjawad | 20:22 |
| amjjawad | #startmeeting Ubuntu GNOME Team Meeting | 20:22 |
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| amjjawad | Okay so it seems only few and Alfredo is not here :( | 20:24 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: I was about to discuss a bit of the structure of Ubuntu GNOME team but I guess I got the answer that I was in mind. jbicha has confirmed he is leaving and won't be available with 14.04. | 20:24 |
| amjjawad | So, my Q to you will be the same as I asked eariler ... will Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 be LTS? | 20:25 |
| amjjawad | because some users are asking me and I have no clear answer yet! | 20:25 |
| darkxst | we don't really have the man power to commit to full LTS support right now | 20:27 |
| darkxst | so it is unlikely that 14.04 will be an official LTS release | 20:27 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: I do know that which is sad but what if I can arrange that? can we go for it? | 20:27 |
| amjjawad | I mean, if I can recurit more people to join and help? | 20:28 |
| amjjawad | if yes, how much time do I have for that? | 20:28 |
| darkxst | even if you could recruit more dev's we would need time to see they are committed long term! | 20:30 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: okay, then chances are so slim | 20:30 |
| amjjawad | so, do you think it is pointless to invest time for that? or perhaps it worths a try? | 20:31 |
| darkxst | even if we don't do an official LTS release, we could still provide SRU's where possible | 20:32 |
| jbicha | right, the community can provide updates to 14.04 LTS for the entire 5-year lifecycle if they want to | 20:33 |
| amjjawad | what I wanted to discuss today in this meeting not only the LTS topic but a somehow related topics :) | 20:34 |
| darkxst | and obviously those running 14.04 will still benefit from the Ubuntu HWe updates etc | 20:34 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: yes, but then, the same issue with Lubuntu 12.04 which is based on a core system that is LTS but other LXDE packages are not supported for 3-5 years :( | 20:35 |
| amjjawad | anyway, the final answer for that is 14.04 is not going to be an official LTS. | 20:36 |
| amjjawad | what I wanted to highlight and it is no secert and very obvious but thought it is good to double highlight it :D | 20:39 |
| amjjawad | 1- We do need more testers | 20:39 |
| amjjawad | 2- we do need more contributor | 20:39 |
| amjjawad | contributors* | 20:39 |
| amjjawad | having that said, I will take care of these two tasks :) | 20:39 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: what do you think? | 20:40 |
| darkxst | it would be great to find a couple more devs | 20:41 |
| darkxst | It would also be good if we can find someone to take of triaging bugs from the ppa's | 20:42 |
| amjjawad | then, we agree to that :) | 20:43 |
| amjjawad | #action amjjawad to find more contributors to Ubuntu GNOME and more testers also people to help with other tasks | 20:43 |
| meetingology | ACTION: amjjawad to find more contributors to Ubuntu GNOME and more testers also people to help with other tasks | 20:43 |
| amjjawad | #topic sub-teams | 20:44 |
| amjjawad | I am waiting the right moment to communite on the mailing list my next project for Ubuntu GNOME. After I have put so much time and energy on the Wiki Area, I do think it is time to use the same plan for Lubuntu and have sub-teams (Document, Test, etc) BUT for this to happen, I do need first to find more people to join! | 20:46 |
| amjjawad | but, I thought it is good idea to bring this to your attention, darkxst :) | 20:46 |
| amjjawad | I have already created 3 teams on Launchpad but did not send anything about it as I am waiting the right moment :) | 20:47 |
| darkxst | we can always form more sub-teams as we grow | 20:48 |
| amjjawad | +1 | 20:48 |
| amjjawad | glad you liked the idea :D | 20:48 |
| amjjawad | Lubuntu had a successful story with sub-teams and I'd love to do the same with Ubuntu GNOME but we need to grow a bit bigger first hehe | 20:49 |
| amjjawad | #topic Slide Show Updates | 20:50 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: to keep you in the loop, I have worked on the slide show and send my suggestions to Alfredo and he will work on that and hopefully we can finish that before the freeze :) | 20:50 |
| darkxst | ok, sounds good | 20:51 |
| amjjawad | :D | 20:51 |
| amjjawad | so, slide show is almost done | 20:51 |
| amjjawad | what about Wallpapers? I don't think there is enough time for that, right? | 20:52 |
| amjjawad | I mean, no time to include more for example? | 20:52 |
| amjjawad | as for 14.04, we will hopefully ask for the community input to submit some wallpapers as this will motivate them and attract them to join and help :) | 20:53 |
| darkxst | sure, we just didnt have time in the end to set that up this cycle' | 20:54 |
| amjjawad | yep | 20:55 |
| amjjawad | I am so excited to start planning for 14.04 from now heheh | 20:55 |
| amjjawad | but I will take it easy :P | 20:55 |
| amjjawad | #topic Ubuntu GNOME Web Site | 20:56 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: thanks for the access, it was good to add two posts and yet again (as always), I have some ideas and plans for the Web Site but I do need 2 things | 20:57 |
| amjjawad | 1- Are we counting more on our website? or our mailing list? or our social media? what is the channel that represent our main channel and front line? | 20:58 |
| amjjawad | 2- Whatever I have in mind for the website, I do need some help and that means, I need to team up yet again with Alferdo to work on that by adding some nice stuff to the website! | 20:59 |
| darkxst | re 1 I think they each serve a different purpose really | 21:01 |
| amjjawad | as we still in point 1, what do you expect from the website? or shall I just take care of that entirely and save you the trouble :P | 21:03 |
| darkxst | you can take care of that | 21:04 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: ok, then I guess I need to be admin on the Launchpad Tea for the website | 21:04 |
| amjjawad | so I can add Alfredo and whoever else interested to work on that website | 21:04 |
| darkxst | sure | 21:05 |
| amjjawad | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-website/+members#active | 21:05 |
| amjjawad | and I guess this one as well: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-release/+members#active that is why I had no control panel on the ISO Tracker the other day with Beta 1 release :( | 21:07 |
| amjjawad | #action darkxst to give amjjawad access of admin on the Lauchpad area | 21:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: darkxst to give amjjawad access of admin on the Lauchpad area | 21:07 |
| jbicha | if you need to add a new WordPress theme to the website, you'll have to submit a ticket to Canonical by emailing rt@ubuntu.com | 21:09 |
| amjjawad | jbicha: oh, that news to me | 21:09 |
| amjjawad | I guess this step is a must, correct? | 21:09 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, Canonical host the website, we have no access beyond wordpress admin panel | 21:12 |
| amjjawad | I see :( | 21:13 |
| amjjawad | #action amjjawad to email Canonical - rt@ubuntu.com in case of adding new theme to Ubuntu GNOME Website | 21:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: amjjawad to email Canonical - rt@ubuntu.com in case of adding new theme to Ubuntu GNOME Website | 21:14 |
| amjjawad | #topic StartUbuntu | 21:16 |
| amjjawad | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu | 21:17 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: jbicha not sure if you guys have seen my other project? which is not a personal project but rather a community project right now that some people are involved and helping | 21:17 |
| amjjawad | I'd like for Ubuntu GNOME to play a role on that project and I have asked Rafael, Lubuntu Artwork Team Leader who is so good friend of mine and teammate to work on some nice artwork that you can see on the Wiki Page :) | 21:18 |
| amjjawad | and, Ubuntu GNOME is there ;) | 21:18 |
| darkxst | nice! | 21:20 |
| amjjawad | :) | 21:21 |
| amjjawad | final note, Facebook and Google+ Pages are having more and more activities and subscribers :) I am not dreaming of Ubuntu GNOME every night :P | 21:22 |
| darkxst | amjjawad, great! | 21:23 |
| amjjawad | I am enjoying it but it sure adds so much tasks for me so once I will find more contributors, maybe they can also help with this area. Because I am also admin for Lubuntu Pages and Peppermint, I am having so much to handle | 21:23 |
| amjjawad | and, I have not heard from Matthew yet :( regarding our Twitter account | 21:24 |
| amjjawad | I am now dreaming* | 21:25 |
| jbicha | try not to burn yourself out | 21:25 |
| amjjawad | #action amjjawad to send another email to Matthew regarding Ubuntu GNOME Twitter Account | 21:25 |
| meetingology | ACTION: amjjawad to send another email to Matthew regarding Ubuntu GNOME Twitter Account | 21:25 |
| amjjawad | jbicha: phillw, my mentor, has always and still warning me about that :D hehe | 21:26 |
| amjjawad | but +1 I promise I will jbicha :) thanks a lot for the advice | 21:26 |
| amjjawad | so, anything else you would like to add guys before ending our first meeting? | 21:27 |
| amjjawad | darkxst: and jbicha anything else you guys would like to add before ending? :) | 21:30 |
| darkxst | nope, go ahead and end meeting | 21:31 |
| amjjawad | okay, thank you so much darkxst and jbicha :) that was fun and a good meeting | 21:33 |
| amjjawad | #endmeeting | 21:33 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Sep 16 21:33:10 2013 UTC. | 21:33 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2013/ubuntu-gnome.2013-09-16-20.22.moin.txt | 21:33 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2013/ubuntu-gnome.2013-09-16-20.22.html | 21:33 |
| ochosi | hi everyone | 21:40 |
| ochosi | wanted to stop by to ask whether gnome3 is also experiencing a logout-issue in saucy (possibly logind connected) | 21:40 |
| ochosi | we're seeing this in xubuntu and from what i've heard ubuntu folks are experiencing this as well | 21:41 |
| ochosi | so i wanted to ask around whether you're affected too | 21:41 |
| ochosi | basically logging out takes ages (+8secs even on a fast machine) | 21:41 |
| ochosi | and then our greeter is going sixes and sevens | 21:41 |
| ochosi | so i suspect the session crashes or something | 21:41 |
| amjjawad | ochosi: hi | 21:46 |
| amjjawad | do you mean logout and then log back in? | 21:46 |
| ochosi | just logging out takes that long | 21:46 |
| ochosi | in sauc | 21:47 |
| ochosi | y | 21:47 |
| amjjawad | because I don't logout for any reason, I have not noticed that | 21:47 |
| amjjawad | I just installed the latest build on my machine so I will have a look later and let you know :) | 21:47 |
| ochosi | well testers started reporting it | 21:47 |
| amjjawad | bug report? | 21:47 |
| ochosi | well currently it looks a bit unrelated, but it's this one (kinda) https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1204486 | 21:48 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1204486 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "Unable to select alternate languages at login screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:48 |
| ochosi | i wanted to investigate a bit more before reporting a new bug | 21:48 |
| amjjawad | that is a duplicate bug for another one which affects Lubuntu | 21:49 |
| amjjawad | let me try to find that one | 21:49 |
| ochosi | well lubuntu uses the same greeter | 21:49 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu GNOME uses gdm so lightdm bugs likely don't affect our image's | 21:50 |
| ochosi | you're using logind though | 21:51 |
| ochosi | so in case it's a logind issue, it would affect you | 21:51 |
| ochosi | (basically trying to narrow down the issue) | 21:52 |
| amjjawad | I am not sure if this is even similar or not - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1213837 | 21:53 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1213837 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "I cannot select an Xsession after logout from Lubuntu Saucy Daily" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:53 |
| darkxst | ochosi, logout takes about 10secs here, but that is in a VM so not sure if its actually slow, or just the VM! | 23:15 |
| ochosi | darkxst: it is just as slow on a real install | 23:18 |
| ochosi | at least in xubuntu | 23:18 |
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