[00:01] <popey> http://aem1k.com/world/  nice
[00:16] <ali1234> wat
[00:16] <ali1234> impressive...
[06:01] <olutayo> register adedayo1
[06:51] <moodoo> morning all
[06:51] <MartijnVdS> \o moodoo
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> moodoo: where'd your captial M and D go?
[06:53] <jussi> ö/
[07:01] <popey> morning!
[07:04] <moodoo> MartijnVdS: ?
[07:04] <MooDoo> i get ya
[07:04] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: better? ;)
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[07:05] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: if that's all you have to worry about on a monday, I wish I was in your shoes ;)
[07:08] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:08] <MooDoo> morning
[07:09] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:52] <jussi> hehe, I was watching an ultrabook review (sony viao pro 11) and it was saying "if you are looking for security components such as finger print reader and tpm chip, it has neither" - there I was thinking that was a good feature  :D
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> Vaio, plastic.
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> vaios come apart very easily from normal use
[07:54] <popey> thats always been teh case
[07:54] <popey> same for toshibas
[07:54] <nigelb> hey, at least you don't get a shock randomly.
[07:54]  * nigelb looks at macbooks.
[07:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> \o TheOpenSourcerer
[07:55] <jussi> anyone want to point me in the direction of a better option for an 11 inch ultrabook? (and if you say macbook air Ill shoot you :P :P )
[07:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thing 2 sick after a weekend of football, hockey & partying.  Not bad for a 9 yr old...
[07:56] <nigelb> jussi: did you already consider the carbon?
[07:56] <jussi> nigelb: does it come in 11 inches?
[07:57] <nigelb> Ah.
[07:59] <popey> 11 inch is tiny!
[07:59] <nigelb> I...err...nevermind.
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> fnar fnar..
[08:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:02] <jussi> popey: I currently use a 12" and love it. Its a great size when you are on the move
[08:03] <jussi> Morning czajkowski
[08:03] <jussi> (i have a latitude e4200,  geeting a bit long in the tooth now (3 years old), almost time for a new one)
[08:05] <popey> I was going to suggest the dell xps 13 or the x1 carbon
[08:05] <popey> both 13 though
[08:06] <popey> and both have decent resolutions unlike most of the 11" devices
[08:10] <jussi> popey: maybe, but the viao has 1920x1080, which is quite acceptable imho. that plus SSD, i7 and a few other things makes it look like an excellent offering. As people have mentioned, I worry about build quality...
[08:13] <jussi> price of course is "sony like", but still, similar to similar offerings
[08:16] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:17] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:19] <bigcalm> !rat
[08:19] <bigcalm> Aww
[08:22] <bigcalm> Pfft. My manipulation of lubotu3 is being limited
[08:22] <jussi> bigcalm: you need more info for a factoid like that
[08:22] <jussi> I can add it, but a link, some more info on its signifigance to the loco etc would be good
[08:23] <bigcalm> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ Ubuntu UK
[08:23] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[08:23] <bigcalm> jussi: it'll change from one year to the next
[08:23] <jussi> bigcalm: so, compose something that reads nice and Ill add itr
[08:24] <SuperMatt> another real ale train?
[08:24] <SuperMatt> blimey!
[08:24] <SuperMatt> oh, has anyone discussed the launch party yet?
[08:25] <bigcalm> That's a point. We can celebrate Software Freedom Day while we're on the train ;)
[08:25] <bigcalm> jussi: is that a better factoid?
[08:27] <jussi> yep
[08:27] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: I got as far as looking up the release date, which is October 17th
[08:27] <jussi> [11:26:55] <jussi> !rat-#ubuntu-uk is <reply>The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. 21st September 2013, Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/
[08:27] <jussi> [11:27:10] <ubottu> I'll remember that, jussi
[08:27] <jussi> should sync across in about an hour
[08:28] <jussi> !rat
[08:28] <jussi> bit quicker than I thought :)
[08:28] <bigcalm> jussi: grand. As long as we keep doing it each year, we'll need to update it now and then
[08:28] <jussi> bigcalm: just make a new request each year. and remember the little bits I added (like the -#ubuntu-uk and the <reply> )
[08:29] <bigcalm> Oh
[08:29] <bigcalm> I see
[08:29]  * bigcalm sets a calendar entry :D
[08:29] <jussi> the -#ubuntu-uk part makes it specific to this channel
[08:29] <bigcalm> But everybody should know about it!
[08:29] <bigcalm> :P
[08:32] <jussi> hehe
[08:33] <SuperMatt> AlanBell: shall we discuss possible venues?
[08:33] <SuperMatt> I think it should be a pub of sorts
[08:33] <SuperMatt> preferably with beer
[08:34] <bigcalm> Are there many pubs without beerage?
[08:35] <SuperMatt> there are trendy wine bars
[08:35] <bigcalm> That reminds me. Need to buy a ton of miniatures for Hayley to sneak onto the train. It's either that or we just buy them all from the train and deprive other non ale types
[08:36] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: ah, ones that used to be banks?
[08:36] <SuperMatt> http://www.gordonswinebar.com
[08:36] <SuperMatt> like that
[08:37] <SuperMatt> which is a very pleasant place to drink, despite being mega crowded 100% of the time
[08:37] <bigcalm> Is "Thank you both." a legitimate use of English? It sounds weird when I type it
[08:37] <jussi> hrrrm... is "bi-weekly"  twice a week or  once every 2 weeks ?
[08:37] <SuperMatt> it's fine
[08:37] <SuperMatt> I think bi weekly is twice a week
[08:37] <bigcalm> jussi: twice a week. Fortnightly is every 2 weeks
[08:38] <SuperMatt> because you're bisecting the week
[08:38] <bigcalm> jussi: think of bi-annual : twice a year
[08:38] <jussi> heh
[08:38] <gordonjcp> aww, just missed a screengrab of my plane tracker with three planes in a row leaving Edinburgh showing different shades of yellow to indicate their position on the climbout
[08:40] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: I don't think many people remember that
[08:41] <bigcalm> AlanBell et al: shall we keep the RAT to October each year?
[08:41] <gordonjcp> the BA and the Virgrim are turning south for Heathrow but the United Airlines is heading straight out, off across the pond ;-)
[08:41] <SuperMatt> easiest way to remember what bi-weekly means: we already have a word for every two weeks, it's a fortnight
[08:41] <bigcalm> Oops
[08:41] <bigcalm> September even
[08:42] <bigcalm> Which means planning in Julyish I think
[08:42] <SuperMatt> ugg, using google to define it didn't help. Google says biweekly means both
[08:42] <bigcalm> Just trying to work out when to make the calendar entry for
[08:43] <bigcalm> Added it to 1st July, that'll do for now
[08:55] <DJones> Hmmh, wind, rain, standing water on the roads, I think its time to get new tyres on the car before the weatehr gets any worse
[08:58] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: yeah, venue suggestions welcome :)
[08:59] <SuperMatt> well, I suggested the golden hinde/thames-side inn last time, that exhausts my knowledge of southbank locales
[08:59] <AlanBell> bigcalm: october is good, but we don't have to keep it there exactly
[09:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: indeed. I've added a calendar entry for 1st July with the title "Organise RAT". So we can discuss it each time. Just hope people will want to keep doing it :)
[09:00] <popey> July feels quite late
[09:01] <bigcalm> April?
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Monday and happy International Day for the Preservation of the Ozone Layer! :-D
[09:01] <jussi> bigcalm: why wouldnt people want to go on a train and drink alcohol? sounds perfect!
[09:01] <bigcalm> JamesTait: have you got your head in the clouds?
[09:01] <JamesTait> Ba-dum, tsch!
[09:02] <bigcalm> joke.popey.com
[09:02] <JamesTait> http://instantrimshot.com/
[09:13]  * bigcalm is covered in graphite powered
[09:14] <bigcalm> It comes out of the bottle more quickly than expected
[09:15] <bigcalm> Just hope it was worth it and actually fixed the bathroom latch
[09:31] <AlanBell> bigcalm: best time to organise it is when they announce the dates for the next year
[09:32] <bigcalm> AlanBell: when is that?
[09:36] <AlanBell> when they get round to it I think, I see that in 2009 the dates for 2010 went out to their mailing list in November
[09:36] <AlanBell> generally around the end of the year they sort out the dates for the following year
[09:36] <AlanBell> and sometimes they add additional dates during the year
[09:36] <bigcalm> Oh, a mailing list you say?!
[09:37] <AlanBell> http://www.watercressline.co.uk/product.php/10/real-ale-train-r-a-t
[09:37] <AlanBell> sign up for newsletter, bottom right
[09:38]  * bigcalm signs up for one more spam
[09:38] <AlanBell> they don't appear to have done a specific "RAT DATES !!11!!" email for a few years
[09:40] <bigcalm> "...you will receive our regular Watercress Line enewsletter with all of our latest news and events." I can't help but read that as E_newsletter
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> errno = ENEWSLETTER
[09:51] <mungbean> what does this mean?
[09:52] <mungbean> "I send you the correct part # since i didn't have bundle to look at , I think I missed the this card is 8ports
[09:52] <mungbean> from oracle support
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Inglish?
[09:59] <mungbean> i think they are sending either me a part or a part number.
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:18] <popey> http://jolla.com/media/documents/130916_press_release.pdf interesting
[10:20] <popey> https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/379531060549132289/photo/1
[10:26] <dwatkins> popey: I managed to finally install Ubuntu on my MacBook Pro, even got it running on a MicroSD card, too :D
[10:26] <dwatkins> (with noatime, of course)
[10:27] <popey> heh
[10:27] <dwatkins> I have one of these adapters: http://theniftyminidrive.com/
[10:29] <popey> and you have the OS on it?
[10:29] <dwatkins> yeah, on a 64 GB MicroSD card in it
[10:29] <popey> hah
[10:30] <popey> surely thats megaslow?
[10:30] <popey> and how do you boot from it?
[10:30] <dwatkins> it was rather tricky for various reasons (creating a read/write USB image) and booting isn't so easy - had to create a 1 GB FAT32 partition with an EFI executable at the start of the MicroSD card with rEFIt in it to allow it to boot.
[10:30] <dwatkins> it runs fine, surprisingly
[10:31] <dwatkins> I'll do a write-up on my blog and let you know full details, links etc.
[10:32] <dwatkins> here are my notes thus far with a couple links: http://hastebin.com/raw/paquqesepo
[10:33] <dwatkins> I imagine if I upgraded to 13.10, the wireless driver would work without the need for the PPA.
[10:33] <dwatkins> 13.04, I mean, probably best not to use the beta just yet on a Mac.
[10:33] <neuro> does the trackpad work "properly"? i.e. two-finger scroll, pinch, etc
[10:34] <neuro> (and in other news, morning all)
[10:35] <mgdm> neuro: I tried my magic trackpad on Precise. Those things did work, but the gestures weren't recognised anywhere near so well
[10:35] <neuro> like three finger swipe, etc
[10:35] <mgdm> neuro: so you had to be a bit mechanical when using them. Might be better now, it's config rather than code
[10:35] <mgdm> yeah, that did work, but you had to be 'precise' (arf)
[10:35] <neuro> ho ho
[10:35] <dwatkins> neuro: not yet, I have a few links to read which discuss pinching etc.
[10:36] <neuro> shame
[10:36] <dwatkins> also it seems to occasionally act as if I'd tapped somewhere else in a text field, not sure what I'm doing wrong there.
[10:36] <neuro> would be nice if apple could spend a fraction of resource to do some drivers
[10:36] <dwatkins> still, considering how long it's taken me to get this far, I was happy ;)
[10:36] <neuro> but i guess they have other priorities ;)
[10:49] <mungbean> any twiki users in here? need to add myself to the admin group via the CLI
[10:49] <mungbean> since the admin login is not working
[10:58] <Monotoko> anyone know of a web-based IRC client I can install on my server?
[10:58] <mungbean> what do you mean?
[10:59] <mungbean> web-based surely means not installed?
[10:59] <mgdm> it'll need to run somewhere
[10:59] <dwatkins> a webpage which provides an IRC client, so the HTML/PHP source is located on the server, I assume.
[10:59] <neuro> freenode use http://www.qwebirc.org/
[10:59] <Monotoko> mungbean: I mean for other people to use, from my Debian server
[11:00] <Monotoko> I will obviously have to install it on the server
[11:00] <davmor2> Monotoko: there is one on JUJU that is used in the ubuntu-on-air page not sure what it is called now was subway I think
[11:00] <mungbean> ok, an web gateway for irc
[11:00] <mungbean> like mibbit
[11:00] <neuro> davmor2: ubuntu on air uses qwebirc as well
[11:00] <neuro> yeah and there's mibbit as well
[11:00] <Monotoko> yeah that kind of thing
[11:00] <davmor2> Monotoko: ah ignore my suggestion then
[11:01] <Monotoko> neuro: can I install mibbit or do I have to go through their servers?
[11:01] <neuro> good point, no idea
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: Have you managed to get an 1.8" disk converter yet?
[11:02] <mgdm> Monotoko: I'm pretty sure mibbit is a hosted service
[11:02] <davmor2> https://jujucharms.com/fullscreen/search/?series=precise&text=irc&type=approved
[11:02] <Dave2> CGI:IRC is the typical one
[11:03] <Dave2> I'm sure there are other alternatives intended for people to host themselves, but I can't htink what
[11:04] <DJones> Monotoko: I wonder whether asking #freenode about the web gateway they use might be an idea, if its open source, they may be able to point you towards something
[11:04] <dwatkins> Unfortunately, CGI:IRC is often slow to update.
[11:06] <DJones> Monotoko: Just looking the freenode web gateway is qwebirc
[11:28] <Dave2> We use qwebirc, but I believe that's more aimed at networks running their own instance
[11:29] <Dave2> I could be wrong
[11:34] <diddledan> mornming
[11:35] <diddledan> isnow
[12:01] <dwatkins> I've always wondered about setting up ajaxterm, although I don't know what ports it needs open (and therefore whether it would be pointless if the reason to use cgi:irc is because ports for IRC and ssh are blocked)
[12:02] <dwatkins> If I ever do get ajaxterm setup, I'll probably do it on my Raspberry Pi in a DMZ protected network to minimise the possibility of problems arising from a breach.
[12:03] <diddledan> dwatkins: afaik ajaxterm works entirely over http
[12:06] <dwatkins> diddledan: aha, that's good to know, thanks
[12:06] <dwatkins> I cheated by putting my ssh port elsewhere, but that's another story
[12:06] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZTE-Open-powered-by-Firefox-OS-3G-unlocked-smartphone-orange-eBay-exclusive-/171123860758 back on sale
[12:08] <diddledan> poo that's cheap
[12:08] <diddledan> see what I did there instead of swearing? :-p
[12:08] <popey> http://taras.net/first-impressions-of-the-zte-open-and-firefox-os
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> it's also Nexus One-generation hardware, I guess?
[12:10]  * dwatkins ponders how to embed an image or webpage from a server with a dynamic internal IP address without any control of the DHCP server
[12:10] <dwatkins> so far I'm just loading a 1x1 pixel image from a system I do have access to, and manually checking the Apache log, but I'm sure there's an easier way
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: you could have it GET a simple CGI script and have that execute whatever you want
[12:12] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: so you don't know the addres of the internal server, necessarily?
[12:12] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: indeed, it's on wifi and renews its IP address periodically, so when I want to check the munin graph for temperature, I have to find out its IP address
[12:13] <dwatkins> perhaps I can get it to register its hostname if I install Samba and join the domain from it, though
[12:14] <diddledan> dwatkins: try it's-hostname.local
[12:14] <popey> bah
[12:14] <popey> 21879 root      20   0  179m  41m 1352 R  99.0  0.5 848:13.33 hp-setup
[12:14] <diddledan> if it's got avahi then that'll work
[12:14] <popey> wondered why my laptop was slow today
[12:15] <Dave2> you didn't need that cPU core anyway
[12:15] <popey> chromium using another one
[12:15] <popey> kswapd the third
[12:15] <popey> KiB Mem:   8056628 total,  6949820 used,  1106808 free,   139884 buffers
[12:15] <dwatkins> diddledan: sadly it doesn't seem to have registered that, but perhaps if I set its domainname correctly, it might
[12:15] <popey> KiB Swap:  8267772 total,  3433852 used,  4833920 free,  1461972 cached
[12:15] <popey> ☹
[12:16] <diddledan> 3.5 GiB used?
[12:16] <diddledan> that's a heckofa swap usage
[12:16] <popey> i imagine this could be worse
[12:17] <popey> if I had a real disk and not ssd
[12:17] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: does it put its hostname on the DHCP server?
[12:17] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: or, slightly evil, can you give it a static IP address as an alias?
[12:19] <TREllis> 6
[12:19] <diddledan> 3
[12:20] <TREllis> 2
[12:20] <diddledan> 8
[12:20] <popey> ah, facebook was eating a core
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> always facebook
[12:22] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: I'm not sure how to check it's sending its hostname to the server, although I might be able to find out from its dhclient logs, I guess
[12:22] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: bingo! As Apache just told me: It works! :D thanks
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*\
[12:29] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: simplest way would be to ping its hostname I guess
[12:59] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: yeah, I just opened a browser to raspberrypi.corp.companyname.com and got the "It works!" page, so that'll do me for now.
[13:10] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: cool
[13:26] <mungbean> is there a twitter feed that just tells you the free amazon UK appstore app for the day?
[16:31] <neuro> mv file1 file2 newdir/ = good
[16:31] <neuro> mv file1 file2 = bad
[16:31] <neuro> that's 30 minutes down the toilet
[16:36] <diddledan> ouch
[16:36] <diddledan> I hope you had backups of file2
[16:37] <popey> \o/ backups
[16:38] <ali1234> what is backups?
[16:43] <diddledan> ali1234: backups is what you do to stop chinese workers jumping to their doom at an apple/foxconn factory
[16:43] <diddledan> ali1234: (a safety net)
[16:44] <neuro> diddledan: i only created file2 30 minutes prior, so rsnapshot's 4 hour rotation hadn't caught it yet
[16:44] <diddledan> oh dear
[16:45] <diddledan> poor chinese worker
[16:45] <diddledan> see, neuro you killed a chinaman
[16:45] <neuro> i know what i did, so it's pretty straightforward to reconstruct
[16:45] <neuro> right, right
[16:45] <popey> i wish i still had all the pascal programs I wrote in 1993
[16:45] <popey> wish I'd backed those up
[16:46] <diddledan> popey: I have loads of various bits and pieces that I've lost over the years
[16:46] <neuro> i'm pretty sure a php script to pull blog metadata related to specific franchisees based on a command line parameter had a deliterious effect on the mental health of a chinese electronics worker
[16:46] <diddledan> usually through thinking I've got it backed up elsewhere than the backup I'm overwriting
[16:46] <popey> I went to a pub once and a guy came up to me, he'd been at school with me. Said he found some tapes in the loft, they were spectrum tapes.
[16:46] <popey> One of them had a game on I'd written in ~1984
[16:46] <diddledan> \o/
[16:46] <neuro> popey: i still have all my turbo pascal and think pascal stuff from college / uni (93-94) on floppies somewhere
[16:47] <mgdm> Turbo Pascal was awesome
[16:47] <popey> Also! I want all the code I did at college
[16:47] <mgdm> it fit on a floppy, too
[16:47] <popey> InfoBasic on Vax
[16:47] <popey> nope, infobasic was on Pr1meOS
[16:47] <neuro> man, what cheapskate college did you go to? :)
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> I have my very first GW-BASIC programs from the early 90s (late 80s?) somewhere tool
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> too
[16:47]  * neuro did C at college on an IBM RS/6000
[16:47] <popey> used to love the Pr1me
[16:48] <neuro> pascal on IBM P/S2s
[16:48] <mgdm> the first Pascal I did was n an archimedes
[16:48] <diddledan> thanks for making me feel young again :-p (well, younger than you lot, anywho)
[16:48] <neuro> a3000?
[16:48] <neuro> diddledan: get off my lawn
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> I just found my 1993-era history notes.. all made in WordPerfect 5.1
[16:48] <diddledan> lol
[16:48] <popey> I got my pascal compiler (and taught myself) from a shareware catalog
[16:49] <mgdm> neuro: A310
[16:49] <popey> on a 5.25" floppy in the post
[16:49] <neuro> wp5.1 \o/
[16:49] <neuro> mgdm: ooh posh
[16:49] <popey> wonder what text editor I used
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> neuro: converting those files to something modern was HARD
[16:49] <diddledan> I used wordstar for most everything when I was on dos
[16:49] <mgdm> neuro: actually, a bit of both
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: ah, you're a joe user then ?:P
[16:50] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: you'd think so, but I'm converted to nano now
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: *shudder*
[16:50] <neuro> that's just as bad
[16:50] <neuro> give me vim or give me death
[16:50] <diddledan> I can do vi in small doses for simple edits
[16:50]  * MartijnVdS gives neuro emacs
[16:50] <diddledan> but anything complex I get lost
[16:50]  * neuro dies
[16:51] <popey> this was in DOS
[16:51] <popey> I may have just used some shareware editor
[16:51] <popey> I miss the days of having a A5 size catalog come through the post
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: MS-DOS 5.0's built-in "edit.com"
[16:51] <popey> this was way before 5.0 i think
[16:51]  * neuro used whatever fancy editor came with dos 5.x
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> which was a thin wrapper around the qbasic executable
[16:52] <neuro> that's the one
[16:52] <neuro> although turbo pascal's IDE was epic
[16:52]  * mgdm prints out the dpkg database and mails it to popey 
[16:52] <popey> hah
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> and before that.. some IBM editor my dad used to use
[16:52] <neuro> on the RS/6000, /me just used vi
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> and, looking back on it, he might have used it because it reminded him of the one at work (where he wrote COBOL)
[16:52] <neuro> god, yeah, i did cobol on that RS/6000 too
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> you.. COBOLed it together?
[16:53] <neuro> ba dum tsh
[16:53] <popey> oh, 1988 I got my epson pc
[16:53] <neuro> posh git
[16:53] <popey> well
[16:53] <popey> i chopped in a 464 for it
[16:53] <popey> 350 quid
[16:53] <popey> bought from a liquidated company
[16:53]  * neuro was still rocking a speccy+ back then
[16:54] <popey> never ended up paying them, they never invoiced me (yay)
[16:54] <neuro> 350 quid when i was 14 would still have been a smegload
[16:54] <neuro> lol
[16:54] <popey> came with an Epson LQ-550 printer
[16:54] <popey> which was pretty awesome
[16:54] <neuro> actually, i'm trying to remember when i got my spectrum +3
[16:54] <popey> I started writing a "timeline of my life" doc, because otherwise I forget
[16:55]  * bigcalm ponders buying a Nexus 4
[16:55] <neuro> oh, spec+3 was summer '87
[16:55] <neuro> and i got mine that xmas
[16:55] <neuro> so in 1988 i must have been rocking the +3
[16:56] <bigcalm> I put Android 4.3 back on my Galaxy Nexus and gave it to my dad
[16:56] <popey> October 1987, First issue of ACE magazine
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: wait a month, get a N5
[16:56] <popey> I remember drooling over that mag
[16:56] <neuro> yeah, i bought a few copies
[16:56] <popey> screenshots of R-Type
[16:56] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it'll only be for testing Ubuntu Touch stuff
[16:56] <popey> s/testing/writing/
[16:56] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'm happy with my SGS3 and don't want to have a new every day phone
[16:56] <bigcalm> popey: erm, yeah, that one :)
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: We had a Panasonic KX-P1080i (1080i!)
[16:57] <bigcalm> I think my Dad was quite pleased to go from my old Nexus One with CM7.2 to a Galaxy Nexus with Android 4.3
[16:57] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I think I had one of those
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> https://panasonic.ca/PCS/OperatingInstructions/KXP1080i.pdf
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> the number of times I read that!
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> And as a 10-year old I didn't understand the bit pattern stuff :|
[16:59] <diddledan> yup that's the one we had
[16:59] <diddledan> I've never read the manual tho
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I was mistified by the "bit image" parts
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> (I was just learning English, AND programming, at the same time..)
[17:03] <diddledan> I was thinking about reading that and then realised it's 111 pages long, so I closed the browser
[17:12] <neuro> oh good, my kimsufi box in canada has fallen over
[17:13] <neuro> there goes my tertiary nameserver, some websites and my parents' imap mailboxes
[17:14] <diddledan> \o/
[17:15] <neuro> and it's back up
[17:16] <neuro> let's see if it was actually down
[17:16] <neuro> uptime 7 minutes
[17:16] <neuro> oh good
[17:17] <diddledan> sounds like they killed it
[17:17] <neuro> yep
[17:17] <neuro> smeg all in the logs
[17:17] <neuro> it wasn't a panic
[17:18]  * neuro hugs pingdom, at least that worked as expected
[17:18] <diddledan> go and moan at their ticketing system :-p
[17:18] <neuro> cba
[17:18] <diddledan> hopefully you've not got any corruption
[17:18] <neuro> nah. looks ok
[17:18] <diddledan> sounds like they just pulled the plug which isn't healthy
[17:18] <neuro> nice clean startup
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> Anyone interested in old computers, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hlkcq
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> in 20 minutes on BBC Four
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> doesn't get much older than that
[18:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: seen it before, it has been on before.
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yeah, but maybe some other people haven't :)
[18:42]  * MartijnVdS looks at popey 
[18:42] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep, :)
[18:46] <diddledan> don't you hate when a client tells you they've done what you told them to do and then you get them to send you a file which they're supposed to have updated but when you inspect it you find they didn't do what you told them to do?!
[18:47] <ali1234> diddledan: no, i don't care because i bill hourly, it's more money for me when they do that
[18:48] <diddledan> lol
[18:48] <zleap> ali1234, :)
[18:48] <diddledan> the thing is we're supposed to have finished this project but they keep complaining "it doesn't look the same as on the test site"
[18:49] <ali1234> yeah i'd just send the screenshots at that point
[18:49] <zleap> i need to start charging for stuff,  can't afford to buy a new printer atm,  and costs are mounting printing resources etc
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> zleap: but, if you can't afford a printer, you can't print invoices, and you can't get paid
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> zleap: so you're already beyond the help event horizon
[18:52] <zleap> this isn;t for business etc,  i can claim more expenses, as a volunteer
[18:59] <bigcalm> mgdm: ping
[19:01] <mgdm> bigcalm: pong
[19:02] <bigcalm> mgdm: having an un-fun time with php sessions, I think. AJAX on a site makes a call that takes several seconds to complete. During that time, the website won't process any more requests from the users' web browser.
[19:02] <dwatkins> diddledan: I find that numbered bullet points help in those situations
[19:03] <bigcalm> mgdm: what's weird is that this is the case in dev and production envs, both running Ubuntu 12.04. But it's not the case in test which is running Debian 6
[19:03] <bigcalm> mgdm: is it something that you've had to deal with in the past? I'm trying to get multiple requests processed at the same time but really at a loss
[19:10] <bigcalm> I wonder if it's something to do with session.save_path
[19:11] <mgdm> bigcalm: that really is odd
[19:11] <mgdm> bigcalm: where are you storing your sessions?
[19:11] <bigcalm> mgdm: my boss set up the test server. He has this weird habbit of symlinking the cli and apache php.ini files
[19:12] <mgdm> that's not a good idea, but shouldn't really cause a proble
[19:12] <bigcalm> mgdm: dev and prod both say "/var/lib/php5". test says "no value"
[19:12] <mgdm> OK, so built-in thing then
[19:13] <bigcalm> Wondering if this is a PHP or Apache problem
[19:14] <mgdm> bigcalm: http://thwartedefforts.org/2006/11/11/race-conditions-with-ajax-and-php-sessions/
[19:15] <bigcalm> :O
[19:15] <diddledan> bigcalm: are you using zend framework 1?
[19:15] <bigcalm> diddledan: no, Symfony2
[19:17] <diddledan> I just noted you were having issues with sessions and we've come up against an issue with zend framework 1 and php5.4 causing complete breakage that zend won't fix because framework 1 is obsolete
[19:17] <diddledan> thankyou zend for not providing an upgrade path
[19:17] <diddledan> >.<
[19:18] <bigcalm> I'm guessing that zf1 is to zf2 as sf1 is to sf2
[19:18] <bigcalm> _completely_ different
[19:18] <diddledan> yup
[19:19] <diddledan> it wouldn't be so bad if they were going to maintain zf1 for the forseeable with regards to security holes, but they've just completely dropped it
[19:21] <diddledan> they gave about 9 months notice that zf1 would disappear entirely with a message such as "rewrite your entire application to zf2 because we don't care about zf1" - so instead we're rewriting our application in ruby-on-rails
[19:22] <bigcalm> This must be the 1st time I've used a 3 way compare in Meld :)
[19:22] <diddledan> zo/
[19:23] <diddledan> erm.. is that a swan impression on my part?
[19:23] <bigcalm> How does one run 'php -i' but with the apache php.ini from the CLI?
[19:23] <bigcalm> Heh
[19:23] <mgdm> bigcalm: php --help will tell you
[19:23] <bigcalm> I could just run it in a web browser and copy/paste
[19:24] <bigcalm> PitA though
[19:24] <diddledan> bigcalm: -c
[19:24] <diddledan> -c /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[19:24] <bigcalm> diddledan: aha, that's it, ta
[19:24] <diddledan> or simular
[19:25] <Azelphur> Does anyone know of a MPX compatible WM?
[19:26] <Azelphur> doesn't have to have anything fancy at all, short of being happy with MPX.
[19:27] <diddledan> Azelphur: wiki says mpwm
[19:29] <Azelphur> fun :)
[20:02] <bigcalm> mgdm: I'm going to propose a change to the project so that issuing a command puts the job into the background (we use a queue for everything any way) and then make occasional ajax calls to check in on the progress of the job
[20:04] <mgdm> that works
[20:05] <bigcalm> It also means that I can display something like "4 of 22 items updated" rather than one success or fail message at the end
[20:09]  * bigcalm celebrates with King's Ginger
[20:14] <popey> oof http://blog.novatech.co.uk/post/2421/important-store-announcement/
[20:23] <bigcalm> popey: who?
[20:24] <popey> you don't know novatech?
[20:24] <mgdm> I've heard the name, but nothing beyond that
[20:25] <AlanBell> they sell laptops without operating systems
[20:25] <AlanBell> we bought one, online I haven't been to the store
[20:26] <bigcalm> I see
[20:27] <mungbean> haven't heard much about novacut for a while
[20:27] <mungbean> maybe after i stopped reading omg
[20:29] <popey> the guy who works on it now has a job
[20:29] <popey> so has less time to work on it
[20:29] <popey> he works at System76
[20:30] <mungbean> ah
[20:30] <popey> i guess novatech only have places down south
[20:33] <mungbean> gabe newell at linuxcon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzn6E2m3otg#t=86
[20:38] <mungbean> reiterates that "linux is the future of gaming"
[20:48] <directhex> he's not a great speaker
[20:57] <popey> just what I was thinking
[20:57] <popey> so, steambox next week then?
[21:01] <bigcalm> Portal 3, HL 3?
[21:01] <bigcalm> I'd settle for Portal 2 on linux for now
[21:03] <AlanBell> anyone want to have a play with my latest project? http://exceptionalemails.com
[23:59] <AlanBell> #join #juju
[23:59] <AlanBell> gosh, this IRC thing, when will I learn how it works