[03:29] <InHisName> evening
[10:10] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:10] <JonathanD> I think the rmg51 is broken.
[10:36]  * rmg51 knows it :P
[10:37] <rmg51> it went on all night
[10:37] <rmg51> and most of yesterday
[10:43]  * JonathanD is trying to fix an ubuntu install
[10:43] <JonathanD> Got the wifi fixed, now I'm working on vid drivers.
[10:44] <JonathanD> The nvidia drivers left me with a black screen after boot.
[10:46] <JonathanD> I picked up a latitude C840 over the weekend.
[10:53] <JonathanD> I'm not having much luck with the nvidia
[11:05] <JonathanD> blarg
[11:06] <JonathanD> I don't think the nvidia driver is going to work.
[11:20] <JonathanD> now it's stuck in 16 color.
[11:21] <rmg51> and I'm stuck in a loop
[11:21] <rmg51> freenode is broken
[11:22] <rmg51> at least for me
[11:22] <JonathanD> works here :P
[11:22] <rmg51> time for work
[11:34] <JonathanD> Gonna try xubuntu.
[11:34] <JonathanD> Maybe that'll work better.
[11:36]  * Maple__ grumbles
[11:36] <Maple__> Still distro-hopping.
[11:36]  * Maple__ has pluses for xubuntu
[11:37] <Maple__> ^ stayed with it for two weeks, longest of any distro
[11:37] <Maple__> kind of annoying when you only have one flash drive though
[11:37] <Maple__> to put all your work in a tarball in google drive repeatedly
[12:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:07] <JonathanD> hi teddy-dbear
[13:07] <teddy-dbear> hi JonathanD
[13:07] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:07] <JonathanD> downloading xubuntu now.
[13:08] <JonathanD> Hopefully this'll work better :)
[13:47] <JonathanD> the darn alt cd isn't working either :/
[13:49] <JonathanD> ah, now it is.
[14:55] <waltman> So $friend just emailed me asking for advice on a new laptop. I tried to sell him on the Macbook Air, but I think he's looking for something linuxier.
[14:56] <waltman> he's a professor and he reluctantly needs some way to run Word to work with collaborators
[14:57] <waltman> I may be asking for laptop advice here soon :)
[14:57] <JonathanD> Thinkpad.
[14:58] <waltman> does lenovo make them these days?
[14:58] <JonathanD> Yes.
[14:58] <JonathanD> Build quality on "thinkpad" branded units is still quite good.
[14:58] <pleia2> I love my work laptop http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/elite-products/products.html#books
[14:59] <pleia2> have the Folio 9470m
[14:59] <JonathanD> pleia2: I just raided one of your old dells for parts for Josh's laptop last night :P
[14:59] <pleia2> hehe
[14:59] <pleia2> glad they're still giving :)
[14:59] <JonathanD> I needed an IDE drive.
[15:00] <JonathanD> I actually just finished getting xubuntu all happy on it.
[15:00] <JonathanD> He's getting it tonight.
[15:00] <pleia2> \o/
[15:00] <waltman> If I wanted to get a lenovo, I could get a great deal through Drexel
[15:00] <MutantTurkey> nope
[15:00] <MutantTurkey> we at least
[15:00] <pleia2> my other laptop is an ultra cheap (sub $300) one, I like that too :)
[15:00] <MutantTurkey> for the last year or so the link's been broken
[15:00] <MutantTurkey> i check often @waltman
[15:01] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I'm in there right now
[15:01] <MutantTurkey> really? well i am glad they fixed it
[15:01] <MutantTurkey> the lenovo website is a.... pos
[15:01] <MutantTurkey> it's just terrible
[15:01] <pleia2> one == lenovo
[15:01] <waltman> Do all lenovos have that silly mouse nub thingie?
[15:01] <pleia2> no
[15:01] <pleia2> only the thinkpads afaik
[15:02] <JonathanD> the ideapads do not.
[15:02] <waltman> duh. I meant thinkpad.
[15:02] <MutantTurkey> waltman: silly?
[15:02] <waltman> MutantTurkey: yes, silly
[15:02] <MutantTurkey> does the next X1 have it still? or the Edge?
[15:02] <pleia2> I think the x1 does
[15:02] <MutantTurkey> waltman: don't knock it till ya try it
[15:02] <pleia2> the internet should know!
[15:02] <waltman> I have.
[15:02] <JonathanD> The x1 does
[15:02] <MutantTurkey> cewl
[15:02] <JonathanD> Pretty sure, anyway.
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> Your branch is behind 'origin/fizzy' by 4 commits, and can be fast-forwarded.
[15:03] <JonathanD> Some of the x series have only a nub and no touchpad.
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> how do i fast-forward!!
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: the older ones right?
[15:03] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: yeah.
[15:03] <pleia2> waltman: are they looking for tough? sleek? light? brick? powerful?
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> i want the X131 or whatever the netwbook was called
[15:03] <JonathanD> I think all the new stuff has touchpads.
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> they are slick
[15:03] <JonathanD> I disable the touchpad, though :P
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: eek i did last week to save power
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> it was awful
[15:03] <waltman> Can I assume he'll have no trouble installing *buntu on most modern thinkpads?
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> i can't live without two finger scroll
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> waltman: yeah
[15:03] <MutantTurkey> make sure he gets the Intel wireless
[15:04] <JonathanD> one great side effect of disabling the touchpad is people stop asking to use your laptop.
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> and preferablly intel graphics card!
[15:04] <pleia2> JonathanD: hehe
[15:04] <waltman> I couldn't live without the touchpad on my macbook
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: heh my dad just carries a mouse in his bag, and never even uses his nub... i don't get it
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> waltman: obviously... it's so mouse oriented :p
[15:04] <pleia2> my lenovo is amd and it's lovely
[15:04]  * pleia2 shrugs
[15:04] <JonathanD> The nub is the best thing ever :P
[15:04] <JonathanD> never leave the home row!
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: sorry i meant the graphics card and or wireless
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> i had trouble with my wireless card
[15:04] <JonathanD> My thinkpad has the switchable graphics, but I never got that working under ubuntu.
[15:04] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: I was talking about gfx
[15:04] <MutantTurkey> i think it was atheros
[15:05] <pleia2> my wifi is just atheros, it's fine
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> yep, mine works well now
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> it used to die with dragonfly3, and my temple, and Montco networks, i guess something with the setups?
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> then if you suspend to much, you had to juts hard reboot
[15:05] <JonathanD> This dell I put together has a rather nice screen.
[15:05] <waltman> pleia2: I've already asked him most of those questions :)
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> but since a year or so ago... it's all smoth
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> waltman: and yeah, chec kout the gfx support
[15:06] <MutantTurkey> and avoiding switchable graphics would probably be the least hassle
[15:06] <waltman> If I were him I'd get something with 9-12 hours of battery life, but who knows?
[15:06] <pleia2> waltman: but you haven't told us, hard to make recommendations (assuming you want them)
[15:07] <waltman> well, I haven't heard back from him yet!
[15:07] <pleia2> ah :)
[15:07] <waltman> 10:57 < waltman> I may be asking for laptop advice here soon :)
[15:07] <MutantTurkey> go with the upgraded battery
[15:08] <MutantTurkey> if it's an x220, i would also get the undercarriage battery for maximum cool-ness
[15:08] <waltman> what's "gfx support"?
[15:08] <MutantTurkey> make sure you have Xorg drivers that work
[15:08] <MutantTurkey> i don't keep up with it,but nvidia and others have had problems in the past
[15:08] <MutantTurkey> so i'd just check to make sure it'll work well under linux
[15:09] <waltman> I'm holding off on laptop shopping until I see what the new macbook pro's look like
[15:09] <MutantTurkey> also - IPS screen is a must on Lenovo, and i recommend you upgrade the display as much as possible..
[15:09] <MutantTurkey> I am still cringing over my non-ips 1366x768 display
[15:15] <waltman> I'm still happy with the 1280x800 screen on my 4 year old Macbook.
[15:15] <MutantTurkey> the color is probably a lot better
[15:15] <waltman> People with those fancy new retina displays whine about how horrible it is, but I think it's perfectly adequate
[15:15] <MutantTurkey> ... the color is what matters
[15:16] <MutantTurkey> also the angle and such
[15:16] <rmg51> https://www.system76.com/
[15:16] <waltman> it looks even better when I hook it up to an external monitor at 1080p
[15:16] <MutantTurkey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8MO-XaCZ_8
[15:16] <MutantTurkey> rmg51: i honestly have been hearing nothing but bad stuff about them lately
[15:17] <waltman> particularly after I ran OSX's calibration on it
[15:17] <MutantTurkey> they do have ICC color profiles for all the thinkpads btw
[15:17] <rmg51> I have two of them
[15:17] <MutantTurkey> waltman: that link is a IPS vs non-IPS x220 comparison
[15:17] <MutantTurkey> rmg51: are they excellent?
[15:17] <MutantTurkey> there was a very negative thread on reddit recently
[15:17] <MutantTurkey> enough to scare me away
[15:17] <rmg51> they work for me
[15:18] <jedijf> reddit scares me away
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> hehe
[15:19] <rmg51> the newer ones may be different
[15:19] <MutantTurkey> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1mdrwg/system76_galago_ultrapro_review_avoid/
[15:20] <rmg51> http://zareason.com/shop/home.php
[15:21] <jedijf> waltman: just installed ubu on cheap lenovo b3xx - everything worked - set libre office to save docx, xlsx, pptx - all good to communicate with ms world
[15:22] <jedijf> here was /that/ convo
[15:23] <jedijf> actually cheap was presumed. my daughters laptop
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> i don't understand why you need a linux specific laptop
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> since linux works well on most laptops
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> esp if you know what to use and what to avoid
[15:26] <jedijf> support the homies
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> i just feel more comforatable with a giant corporation's return policy, customer support and such
[15:26] <jedijf> zareason too
[15:26] <jedijf> homegirls
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> homepersons
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> they're called Police Officers
[15:27] <waltman> MutantTurkey: back in the day linux was quite problematic on the weird custom hardware many laptop vendors use
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> sure - is that still true today? I don't think so
[15:28] <waltman> I haven't used a linux laptop since 2004.
[15:30] <waltman> Back then I had to hand-edit a config file for every new wifi I encountered, and sleep never really worked at all because of a weird acpi setup I had.
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> and suspend required tux-on-ice
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> but now it is not like that
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> I haven't even a xorg.conf anymore!
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> (praise the lord for automatic detection!)
[15:36] <waltman> tell that to the person who was here Friday night trying to get his display to work :)
[15:40] <MutantTurkey> poor soul
[15:41] <pleia2> he always breaks things though :) I think he was trying to do weird things with hz
[15:42] <waltman> Yeah, I still don't really understand why he wasn't happy with the default settings it found :)
[15:45] <JonathanD> So this laptop seems to work, except I can't install the nvidia drivers.
[15:45] <JonathanD> So he might be somewhat game-constrained. Oh well. More time for homework :P
[16:22] <jedijf> if you set hz just right you can pick up signals from the netherworlds
[20:23] <JonathanD> This dell has a much... fluffier? keyboard than my thinkpads.
[20:57] <TheLordOfTime> JonathanD, which Dell?
[21:02] <steven_> anyone here a graphic designer working with commercial printers?
[21:07] <steven_> any suggestions, using Scribus--how to deliver files to commercial printer?
[21:15] <waltman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/85201403@N00/9767983294 # cuteness
[21:19] <rmg51> nice waltman. you chased steven_ right out with that picture
[21:20] <waltman> is that all it took?
[21:21] <rmg51> seems that way
[21:21] <rmg51> imagine what you could do if you really tried
[22:18] <JonathanD> So I got the nvidia driver working, but the image does not fill the screen.
[22:18] <JonathanD> It fills about 80% of it .
[22:18] <JonathanD> from the top-left corner down.
[22:18] <JonathanD> and it's missing hte top level res entry