[03:38] <vmussa> hello everyone
[03:39] <vmussa> I have a small SDD disk and I'm thinking about installing Xubuntu on it or in the HDD
[03:40] <vmussa> is there any possibilities of ruining SSD?
[03:40] <vmussa> if I do something wrong?
[03:45] <pleia2> works fine for me
[03:45] <pleia2> been using xubuntu on my netbook ssd for almost 5 years, and my new desktop has an ssd that I put xubuntu on, very fast, it's lovely :)
[03:47] <vmussa> pleia2, I see. Cool!
[03:47] <vmussa> pleia2, but I'm worried about messing up the SSD, since I was told that there is things you can do that will mess it up
[03:48] <vmussa> and I'm very much a newbie
[03:48] <pleia2> I don't know anything about that
[03:48] <vmussa> so the chances of doing something wrong are good haha
[03:48] <pleia2> I don't really mess around with overclocking or anything crazy on my hardware
[03:49] <vmussa> Hmm
[03:49] <vmussa> the thing is that I want to install it alongside windows 8
[03:50] <vmussa> and I'm thinking of installing it in the HDD but I'm not sure how
[03:50] <pleia2> in the installer you can select where you want to install it
[03:51] <vmussa> cool
[03:52] <vmussa> the fact that it is lighter than Ubuntu has something to do with the hard disk too or only RAM?
[03:53] <vmussa> I mean Xubuntu on HDD will still be faster than Ubuntu on HDD?
[03:55] <pleia2> ram and cpu
[03:55] <pleia2> there aren't any optimizations for hdd
[03:58] <vmussa> I see
[03:58] <vmussa> thank you pleia2!
[04:01] <[0gb_us]> The Ubuntu Software Center, apt-get, and the Software Updater all crash as soon as I start them. Is there a way to repair this, or do I have to reinstall Xubuntu again? This seems to happen to me every few months ....
[04:02] <[0gb_us]> I'm tired of re-installing Xubuntu. Any advice on how to not have to is greatly appreciated.
[04:03] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], sudo apt-get update, any errors?
[04:03] <[0gb_us]> No errors, just a crash after line three.
[04:04] <[0gb_us]> Oops, I thought you said 'upgrade'. Trying 'update' now.
[04:06] <[0gb_us]> That seemed to have fixed it, though the impending software updates were lost to the void. I swear I tried that last time, and I had this issue with no effect ....
[04:06] <[0gb_us]> Anyway, thanks nerdtron!
[04:07] <nerdtron> always remember to update first then upgrade
[04:08] <[0gb_us]> I was using the graphical interface when this all started. I was trying to use the software center.
[04:09] <[0gb_us]> i would use apt-get exclusively, as it lists dependencies before installation, but if you don't know the name of what you're looking for, apt-get can't help you.
[04:09] <[0gb_us]> *I
[04:11] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], yes you can
[04:11] <nerdtron> apt-get cache search web browser
[04:12] <yeyeman> what the ...
[04:12] <[0gb_us]> Trying ...
[04:12] <nerdtron> apt-get cache show girefox
[04:12] <nerdtron> apt-get cache show firefox
[04:12] <nerdtron> sorry
[04:12] <nerdtron> apt-cache search web browser
[04:12] <yeyeman> slightly rotating the sound cord seems to change system volume
[04:12] <yeyeman> haven't seen this before
[04:13] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], apt-cache search web browser
[04:13] <nerdtron> i had a typo :)
[04:14] <nerdtron> yeyeman, how does it change? mute to unmute?
[04:14] <yeyeman> nerdtron, no full vol to half vol
[04:14] <[0gb_us]> "apt-cache search web browser" dumps a little data to the console, but nothing else happens, and "apt-cache search firefox" seems to do nothing at all.
[04:16] <nerdtron> apt-cache search firefox no entries at all??? i have at least 100
[04:16] <nerdtron> what version are you using?
[04:16] <[0gb_us]> Not no entries, just very few.
[04:17] <[0gb_us]> Version of what, Xubuntu? 12.04.*
[04:17] <nerdtron> yes, try apt-cache show firefox and it will show you the info on firefox before you install it..
[04:17] <[0gb_us]> Oh, for "firefox"? Yeah, no entries at all.
[04:18] <nerdtron> oh...hmmm haven't tried it as i have 13.04
[04:18] <[0gb_us]> I tried searching for "leveldb" and "leveldb-dev", and no info there either.
[04:19] <[0gb_us]> Anyway, you still seem to need to know the package name to find it, which was the original reason I'm not using apt-get for general work anyway.
[04:20] <nerdtron> yes..that is why synaptic and software center are included in the GUI..on a server, apt-get is what i use
[04:22] <[0gb_us]> Software Center has the issue of not telling you what else you're installing when you try to install one application - an issue fixed in GNU/Linux Mint. I'll look into Synaptic.
[04:23] <[0gb_us]> Synaptic seems to fail to list dependencies as well.
[04:24] <[0gb_us]> Never mind, it just doesn't list them on the main page. This will work. Thank you!
[04:44] <[0gb_us]> Sorry to keep posting problems, but I have another. I select all files in my home directory, right click, and try to make an archive. After a few seconds, I'm told that permission is denied, though it won't be specific and tell me if a particular file or directory is the issue.
[06:12] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], chmod everything?
[06:14] <kj5t> [0gb_us]: Probably the easiest thing to do, assuming these files are on your local system is just to chown them to your user and group
[06:14] <[0gb_us]> I tried that. It seems to be aliases that are the issue. Instead of reporting that there is a symlink that it doesn't like, it reports a permission error. Even if the symlink points to something I do have permission to use.
[06:15] <[0gb_us]> So permission errors were never the issue, the system was just lying to me.
[06:15] <nerdtron> hmm maybe you don't have write permissions on where you want to save the tar file?
[06:16] <[0gb_us]> I do. If I save to the same directory without the symlink, it works.
[06:18] <[0gb_us]> Now I'm dealing with some other error that kills the archive when I try to compress all my files. i'm having to add my files to the archive one directory at a time to try to see which directory has the error. and doing so is slow, because the archiver reads the whole archive, adds the directory of files, re-compresses, and repeats.
[06:19] <[0gb_us]> If I could compress them all in one go, it'd be way faster.
[06:48] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], what is your command to create a tar file?
[07:00] <[0gb_us]> nerdtron, not a command. I select all directories (control + a), right click, and choose "make archive".
[07:01] <nerdtron> are you including hidden directories?
[07:01] <[0gb_us]> Yes I am.
[07:01] <nerdtron> maybe some of the hidden folder causes errors.. i say its the .ssh folder
[07:02] <[0gb_us]> .ssh is successfully in the archive.
[07:02] <nerdtron> don't include hidden directories in your backup...why do you need them anyway?
[07:03] <[0gb_us]> Much of my data is in these so-called hidden directories.
[07:03] <[0gb_us]> I forget what all is in there, but there are game saves and plugins I built.
[07:04] <[0gb_us]> And my system settings.
[07:05] <[0gb_us]> So far, only symlink files seem to be the issue, and not all of those are (were) in hidden directories.
[07:06] <[0gb_us]> Oh yeah, there's also the virtual machine I was using for homework. VirtualBox puts those in a hidden directory.
[07:06] <[0gb_us]> So much would be lost if I ignored hidden directories in my backups.
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/can-i-back-up-hidden-files-using-tar-498684/
[07:13] <[0gb_us]> I wasn't using tar though, and hidden directories are backing up with no difficulty. It's symlinks and only symlinks that will not back up properly.
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> man <whateveryouareusing> and see what it says about symlinks
[07:14] <[0gb_us]> That might work. Thanks!
[07:14] <[0gb_us]> Now I just need to figure out what I'm using, but I can probably find that in the menu.
[07:15] <elfy> if it's the default gui archiver it's file-roller I believe
[07:15] <elfy> and it says absolutely nothing about symlinks in the man page
[07:15] <[0gb_us]> "Exec=file-roller %U", yep, that would be it.
[07:16] <[0gb_us]> Drats.
[07:17] <elfy> I just created one with a symlink successfully
[07:17] <[0gb_us]> Huh ... I wonder why it's failing for me then ...
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> file-roller would just be an interface to different archiving apps afaik
[07:18] <elfy> try running it from a terminal - see if that points to the error
[07:19] <elfy> well_laid_lawn: it is - uses tar etc to do the work
[07:19] <[0gb_us]> Check your archive. Did it compress the symlink or did it follow the link and compress the contents of the other directory? THat's what it does for me when I try to compress only one file and it is a symlink.
[07:20] <elfy> [0gb_us]: it id both - archived the link AND the link target
[07:20] <[0gb_us]> I'll try once the non-command line copy stops running. Running two instances would be a bad idea, one instance is already eating a lot of my power.
[07:20] <[0gb_us]> Resources, I should say, not power.
[07:22] <[0gb_us]> Wait ... I don't even know how to run this from the command line. I could enter "file-roller', but that doesn't tell the application what files to compress the way the right click menu does.
[07:23] <elfy> it starts it - then you use the gui to set up the archive
[07:25] <[0gb_us]> The GUI doesn't seem to be able to add multiple files.
[07:25] <[0gb_us]> I can't add a single directory, as the directory is ~, and I don't have somewhere outside ~ to save it to.
[07:28] <elfy> seems not
[07:29] <[0gb_us]> I think I remember tar having the same problem for me in the past ... Perhaps tar doesn't like my system.
[07:30] <elfy> good luck - I'm off now
[07:30] <[0gb_us]> G'night!
[07:30] <elfy> I wish - it's 830am - work calls :p
[07:30] <[0gb_us]> Good luck then!
[07:30] <elfy> :)
[07:38] <cultavix> good morning
[07:38] <cultavix> just wanted to say that I am loving Xubuntu
[07:43] <wachira> bluetooth manager keeps on crashing on my xubuntu
[07:43] <wachira> any help
[08:10] <well_laid_lawn> wachira:  what happens if you start the bluetooth manager from a terminal ?
[08:11] <cfhowlett> well_laid_lawn, cascade failure resulting in an inter-dimensional rift which allows hostile aliens to enter our realm and enslave the earth.
[08:11] <cfhowlett> or
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[08:12] <cfhowlett> starting from terminal or starting from gui results in the same outcome
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> but it is easy to see why if the error is in a terminal
[08:13] <cfhowlett> well_laid_lawn, that's true..
[09:45] <fdel> I just upgraded to ubuntu 13.04 (xfce 4.10), and gnome-system-manager has a black background in the "resources" tab graphs. Is there a way to make the normal background appear?
[09:45] <fdel> (IIRC I had the same issue in 12.10 but had it fixed somehow; just can't find the link anymore)
[09:54] <knome> fdel, sounds like a possible theming issue
[09:57] <nerdtron> fdel, fresh install or dist-upgrade?
[09:58] <fdel> upgrade
[09:58] <fdel> from 12.10
[10:04] <fdel> knome, nerdtron: http://tinypic.com/r/10f9mj4/5
[10:05] <knome> fdel, yep, looks like a theming issue.
[10:05] <knome> fdel, file a bug against shimmer-themes
[10:07] <fdel> knome: I use Xfce-smooth style. Oddly as I try other styles, sometimes the normal appearance "appears", but when closing/reopening the syst manager, the problem comes back
[10:12] <nerdtron> fdel, i have no idea.. sorry, at least that is your only issue in upgrading your system...i have no luck in terms of in place upgrades.. i alway sdo fresh install
[10:14] <fdel> knome: dpkg -S says Xfce-smooth is in /usr/share/themes/Xfce-smooth/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[10:14] <fdel> so I guess a gtk2/3 issue
[10:14] <fdel> I mean in gtk2-engines-xfce package
[10:15] <koegs> how can i add a new user with encrypted home?
[10:16] <koegs> the standard-dialog does not have that option
[10:52] <yeyeman> which version of skype should I choose?
[10:53] <kj5t> yeyeman: I am running 4.2.0.11 and it is working well on 13.04
[10:57] <yeyeman> the previous version I had would crash randomly
[10:57] <yeyeman> and worse, crash reliably if I tried to call or accept a call
[12:25] <Monkeytoe> I am synergy to allow one keyboard/mouse to control multiple desktops. My linux desktop is one of those. It works fine except for when I start the linux computer up. Right now I just have synergy set in the program autostart menu which means it does not sync the keyboard/mouse until after the user login is complete. How can I get the command /usr/bin/synergyc 10.10.0.2 to run before the user login is prompted?
[12:25] <Monkeytoe> *I am using synergy
[12:28] <koegs> Monkeytoe: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto#Autostart_Synergy_before_logging_in_.28LightDM.29
[12:29] <Monkeytoe> nice !
[12:29] <Monkeytoe> so LightDM is the desktop manager xubuntu uses?
[12:29] <koegs> Monkeytoe: yes
[12:29] <knome> the login manager, yes
[12:54] <xubuntu289> Hi all I am using xubuntu 13.04 with the latest AMD stable display driver and the 3.9.13 kernel and when I restart or shutdown I get black and blue stripes
[13:00] <Monkeytoe> sweet it worked, thanks koegs :)
[13:02] <Monkeytoe> one other question... I have my desktop configured as a dual monitor... I moved my panel to the right monitor so that is where my whiskermenu and application icons are... the only issue I have with that is when I right click a program or file and hit "add to desktop" it adds it to the left monitor instead of the right. I cant for the life of me figure out how to set the right monitor as the main monitor and then extend the desktop of
[13:02] <Monkeytoe> f to the left in catalyst control panel. Is there any way to specify which monitor to place new icons on?
[13:29] <ruien> Hello all. I'm using Xubuntu 13.04, and for the first time plugged in a second monitor. After booting into xfce, my panels look completely wrong, similar to a very vanilla Xfce session, and many icons are missing. Changing the "Style" in "Settings Manager -> Appearance" has no effect. The problem is reversible -- remove the second monitor, and after booting everything looks completely normal. Has anyone seen this before?
[13:35] <ruien> Okay, I fixed it. Strangely, restarting has no effect at all, but logging out, logging into a new user with default configuration, then logging out and logging back into my own user fixed the problem.
[14:53] <horrow> hello guys
[15:12] <GridCube> !hi | horrow
[17:19] <doug_> what is the substitute for ctrl+alt+-> (right arrow). I want to move a window to another workspace
[17:20] <Pici> usually ctrl+alt+shift+->
[17:20] <bgardner> Or right click title, 'Move to another workspace'
[17:21] <doug_> sorry, it was my fault. I am trying ctrl+alt+shift+-> but it isn't working
[17:21] <doug_> I am using bgardner solution atm, but I would like to use my keyboard
[17:22] <Sysi> doug_: see window manager settings, you can actually set combination there and see the default
[17:22] <bgardner> doug_: Check Settings->Window Manager->Keyboard->Move Window to ...
[17:25] <doug_> it is set to alt+ctrl+KP_1
[17:25] <doug_> what would be kp1?
[17:25] <doug_> oh no, sorry
[17:25] <doug_> it is alt+ctrl+home
[17:25] <doug_> alt+ctrl+end
[17:25] <doug_> what a weird combination, but I like it
[17:27] <doug_> anyways, any idea of what is KP_1?
[17:27] <Pici> 1 on your keypad
[17:27] <bgardner> doug_: Key pad 1
[17:28] <doug_> so I can have 9 workspaces and send the window directly to them
[17:28] <doug_> thanks guys
[18:00] <l01> it seems I cannot set the date on 12.10: after a couple of seconds, it returns back to today. Is this a bug?
[18:00] <GridCube> probably you dont understand how to set time in linux
[18:01] <GridCube> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-set-date-time-from-linux-command-prompt/
[18:02] <l01> GridCube: date -s gives the same behavior.
[18:03] <l01> also does --set=
[18:05] <l01> Never mind, it's VirtualBox Guest Additions http://askubuntu.com/questions/35566
[18:38] <xubuntu354> hi, there is any way to set snippets to a keyboard shortcut?? thanks in advance
[19:02] <GridCube> xubuntu354, yes
[19:03] <GridCube> make an executable file, and link it to a keyboard shotrcut
[19:04] <luis__> hello gridcube, i was wondering if there is a way to create a shortcut for text, for example i press ctrl+9 and insert text "hello world"
[19:16] <GridCube> he left?
[22:28] <ciderbat> can anyone here shed some light on a problem I'm having?
[22:28] <knome> !anyone | ciderbat
[22:29] <ciderbat> I reinstalled Xubuntu 12.04 and now it won't load anything past the lightdm login
[22:29] <ciderbat> dropping to TTY and doing "sudo startx" only tells me it's already running
[22:29] <ciderbat> i've installed it twice today to the same problem
[22:33] <GridCube> ciderbat, from a tty run: sudo service lightdm stop
[22:33] <GridCube> then run it back and see if a message changes
[22:35] <ciderbat> thanks. i'll boot and try it then i'll check back here [in live USB currently]
[22:35] <GridCube> ciderbat, you can install irssi and log in from a terminal
[22:35] <GridCube> i mean, log in here
[22:36] <ciderbat> ok. gonna use weechat :)
[22:36] <GridCube> P: same but takes longer to install
[22:43] <ciderbat> i stopped light dm. it said "checking battery state" and then i started it again to the same issue
[22:43] <GridCube> mmhm
[22:44] <GridCube> when you stop the lightdm service you can try the startx
[22:44] <ciderbat> this is very odd since I formatted my root partition and did a clean install
[22:44] <ciderbat> ok, ill try that
[22:44] <GridCube> i don't know
[22:45] <ciderbat> ok i'm in the barebones XFCE X window now
[22:45] <GridCube> interesting
[22:46] <ciderbat> oh no, now i do ctrl alt f7 to go back to it and it's just that "checking battery state" again
[22:46] <ciderbat> oh, nm, it works with f8
[22:46] <GridCube> ciderbat, try deleting the .Xauthoriy and .ICEauthority in your ~/ folder
[22:47] <GridCube> i don't know why but deleting them sometimes fixes booting from lightdm
[22:48] <knome> GridCube, that's related to file permissions - they are flawed at least if you boot with root to the graphical interface (which you shouldn't do)
[22:48] <GridCube> mmkay :)
[22:49] <GridCube> i just know that reseting them by deleting them many times fix failed lightdm sessions
[22:49] <knome> sure
[22:50] <ciderbat> Thank you so much!!!
[22:51] <ciderbat> It all makes sense now. I carried over my /home partition from the previous install, so the problems that were happening with that one were affecting this one since it's in /home and not /
[22:51] <ciderbat> now for many hours of apt-get!
[22:53] <GridCube> o: it fixed you?
[22:53] <GridCube> :D
[22:53] <ciderbat> yes
[22:53] <ciderbat> thank you again!
[22:53] <GridCube> nvm :)
[22:54] <ciderbat> it must have been the same thing causing X11 to go wonky before I reinstalled too
[22:54] <GridCube> prolly
[22:54] <ciderbat> i don't know why it happened. Maybe I shouldn't have merged Xubuntu with "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and then tried to backpedal. My comp was so messy after that
[22:55] <GridCube> mmmhm
[22:55] <GridCube> sounds about messy
[22:55] <ciderbat> oh that's weird. some of my games are still there
[22:58] <ciderbat> I tend to experiment a lot, but I think this time around I'll try and keep my system clean. Kind of silly to use a light distro and then throw a ton of random stuff at it
[23:16] <JonathanD> Good evening. I'm trying to get the (old) nvidia driver working on an (old) laptop. And I have, except it seems to detect the wrong native resolution for the display and do weird things as a result.
[23:18] <Unit193> JonathanD: Howdy.  And you can't set "Display" in the Settings Manager?
[23:19] <JonathanD> in display it maxes out below the native res.
[23:19] <JonathanD> It's not centered, either, it's top-left with weird corruption in the lower and right borders
[23:20] <Unit193> Fun times.  I'm guessing there's an nvidia settings manager, but what I do personally is force the mode with xrandr on startup by adding the mode and switching to it, but pretty sure that's not the best way.  Normally I've used X -configure in a TTY to generate an xorg.conf file, but you can also use a minimal one to set the res (and driver?) you need.
[23:21] <JonathanD> the settings manager doesn't work properly with the older nvidia driver
[23:21] <JonathanD> (nvidia-96)
[23:22] <JonathanD> "The nvidia x driver on ubuntu:0.0 is not new enough to support the nvidia-settings..."
[23:23] <JonathanD> I do have an xorg.conf created by nvidia-xconfig
[23:27] <Unit193> Yep, so I'd start there.
[23:30] <JonathanD> I wonder if it's actually related to the external port. I had to enable twinview w/ clone to get anything to display at all
[23:30] <JonathanD> perhaps the lower res is the max it can push to two displays.
[23:45] <ciderbat> it's day of the xorg issues!