=== bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [03:38] hello everyone [03:39] I have a small SDD disk and I'm thinking about installing Xubuntu on it or in the HDD [03:40] is there any possibilities of ruining SSD? [03:40] if I do something wrong? [03:45] works fine for me [03:45] been using xubuntu on my netbook ssd for almost 5 years, and my new desktop has an ssd that I put xubuntu on, very fast, it's lovely :) [03:47] pleia2, I see. Cool! [03:47] pleia2, but I'm worried about messing up the SSD, since I was told that there is things you can do that will mess it up [03:48] and I'm very much a newbie [03:48] I don't know anything about that [03:48] so the chances of doing something wrong are good haha [03:48] I don't really mess around with overclocking or anything crazy on my hardware [03:49] Hmm [03:49] the thing is that I want to install it alongside windows 8 [03:50] and I'm thinking of installing it in the HDD but I'm not sure how [03:50] in the installer you can select where you want to install it [03:51] cool [03:52] the fact that it is lighter than Ubuntu has something to do with the hard disk too or only RAM? [03:53] I mean Xubuntu on HDD will still be faster than Ubuntu on HDD? [03:55] ram and cpu [03:55] there aren't any optimizations for hdd [03:58] I see [03:58] thank you pleia2! [04:01] <[0gb_us]> The Ubuntu Software Center, apt-get, and the Software Updater all crash as soon as I start them. Is there a way to repair this, or do I have to reinstall Xubuntu again? This seems to happen to me every few months .... [04:02] <[0gb_us]> I'm tired of re-installing Xubuntu. Any advice on how to not have to is greatly appreciated. [04:03] [0gb_us], sudo apt-get update, any errors? [04:03] <[0gb_us]> No errors, just a crash after line three. [04:04] <[0gb_us]> Oops, I thought you said 'upgrade'. Trying 'update' now. [04:06] <[0gb_us]> That seemed to have fixed it, though the impending software updates were lost to the void. I swear I tried that last time, and I had this issue with no effect .... [04:06] <[0gb_us]> Anyway, thanks nerdtron! [04:07] always remember to update first then upgrade [04:08] <[0gb_us]> I was using the graphical interface when this all started. I was trying to use the software center. [04:09] <[0gb_us]> i would use apt-get exclusively, as it lists dependencies before installation, but if you don't know the name of what you're looking for, apt-get can't help you. [04:09] <[0gb_us]> *I [04:11] [0gb_us], yes you can [04:11] apt-get cache search web browser [04:12] what the ... [04:12] <[0gb_us]> Trying ... [04:12] apt-get cache show girefox [04:12] apt-get cache show firefox [04:12] sorry [04:12] apt-cache search web browser [04:12] slightly rotating the sound cord seems to change system volume [04:12] haven't seen this before [04:13] [0gb_us], apt-cache search web browser [04:13] i had a typo :) [04:14] yeyeman, how does it change? mute to unmute? [04:14] nerdtron, no full vol to half vol [04:14] <[0gb_us]> "apt-cache search web browser" dumps a little data to the console, but nothing else happens, and "apt-cache search firefox" seems to do nothing at all. [04:16] apt-cache search firefox no entries at all??? i have at least 100 [04:16] what version are you using? [04:16] <[0gb_us]> Not no entries, just very few. [04:17] <[0gb_us]> Version of what, Xubuntu? 12.04.* [04:17] yes, try apt-cache show firefox and it will show you the info on firefox before you install it.. [04:17] <[0gb_us]> Oh, for "firefox"? Yeah, no entries at all. [04:18] oh...hmmm haven't tried it as i have 13.04 [04:18] <[0gb_us]> I tried searching for "leveldb" and "leveldb-dev", and no info there either. [04:19] <[0gb_us]> Anyway, you still seem to need to know the package name to find it, which was the original reason I'm not using apt-get for general work anyway. [04:20] yes..that is why synaptic and software center are included in the GUI..on a server, apt-get is what i use [04:22] <[0gb_us]> Software Center has the issue of not telling you what else you're installing when you try to install one application - an issue fixed in GNU/Linux Mint. I'll look into Synaptic. [04:23] <[0gb_us]> Synaptic seems to fail to list dependencies as well. [04:24] <[0gb_us]> Never mind, it just doesn't list them on the main page. This will work. Thank you! [04:44] <[0gb_us]> Sorry to keep posting problems, but I have another. I select all files in my home directory, right click, and try to make an archive. After a few seconds, I'm told that permission is denied, though it won't be specific and tell me if a particular file or directory is the issue. [06:12] [0gb_us], chmod everything? [06:14] [0gb_us]: Probably the easiest thing to do, assuming these files are on your local system is just to chown them to your user and group [06:14] <[0gb_us]> I tried that. It seems to be aliases that are the issue. Instead of reporting that there is a symlink that it doesn't like, it reports a permission error. Even if the symlink points to something I do have permission to use. [06:15] <[0gb_us]> So permission errors were never the issue, the system was just lying to me. [06:15] hmm maybe you don't have write permissions on where you want to save the tar file? [06:16] <[0gb_us]> I do. If I save to the same directory without the symlink, it works. === xubuntu276 is now known as loosec [06:18] <[0gb_us]> Now I'm dealing with some other error that kills the archive when I try to compress all my files. i'm having to add my files to the archive one directory at a time to try to see which directory has the error. and doing so is slow, because the archiver reads the whole archive, adds the directory of files, re-compresses, and repeats. [06:19] <[0gb_us]> If I could compress them all in one go, it'd be way faster. [06:48] [0gb_us], what is your command to create a tar file? [07:00] <[0gb_us]> nerdtron, not a command. I select all directories (control + a), right click, and choose "make archive". [07:01] are you including hidden directories? [07:01] <[0gb_us]> Yes I am. [07:01] maybe some of the hidden folder causes errors.. i say its the .ssh folder [07:02] <[0gb_us]> .ssh is successfully in the archive. [07:02] don't include hidden directories in your backup...why do you need them anyway? [07:03] <[0gb_us]> Much of my data is in these so-called hidden directories. [07:03] <[0gb_us]> I forget what all is in there, but there are game saves and plugins I built. [07:04] <[0gb_us]> And my system settings. [07:05] <[0gb_us]> So far, only symlink files seem to be the issue, and not all of those are (were) in hidden directories. [07:06] <[0gb_us]> Oh yeah, there's also the virtual machine I was using for homework. VirtualBox puts those in a hidden directory. [07:06] <[0gb_us]> So much would be lost if I ignored hidden directories in my backups. [07:11] https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/can-i-back-up-hidden-files-using-tar-498684/ [07:13] <[0gb_us]> I wasn't using tar though, and hidden directories are backing up with no difficulty. It's symlinks and only symlinks that will not back up properly. [07:14] man and see what it says about symlinks [07:14] <[0gb_us]> That might work. Thanks! [07:14] <[0gb_us]> Now I just need to figure out what I'm using, but I can probably find that in the menu. [07:15] if it's the default gui archiver it's file-roller I believe [07:15] and it says absolutely nothing about symlinks in the man page [07:15] <[0gb_us]> "Exec=file-roller %U", yep, that would be it. [07:16] <[0gb_us]> Drats. [07:17] I just created one with a symlink successfully [07:17] <[0gb_us]> Huh ... I wonder why it's failing for me then ... [07:18] file-roller would just be an interface to different archiving apps afaik [07:18] try running it from a terminal - see if that points to the error [07:19] well_laid_lawn: it is - uses tar etc to do the work [07:19] <[0gb_us]> Check your archive. Did it compress the symlink or did it follow the link and compress the contents of the other directory? THat's what it does for me when I try to compress only one file and it is a symlink. [07:20] [0gb_us]: it id both - archived the link AND the link target [07:20] <[0gb_us]> I'll try once the non-command line copy stops running. Running two instances would be a bad idea, one instance is already eating a lot of my power. [07:20] <[0gb_us]> Resources, I should say, not power. [07:22] <[0gb_us]> Wait ... I don't even know how to run this from the command line. I could enter "file-roller', but that doesn't tell the application what files to compress the way the right click menu does. [07:23] it starts it - then you use the gui to set up the archive [07:25] <[0gb_us]> The GUI doesn't seem to be able to add multiple files. [07:25] <[0gb_us]> I can't add a single directory, as the directory is ~, and I don't have somewhere outside ~ to save it to. [07:28] seems not [07:29] <[0gb_us]> I think I remember tar having the same problem for me in the past ... Perhaps tar doesn't like my system. [07:30] good luck - I'm off now [07:30] <[0gb_us]> G'night! [07:30] I wish - it's 830am - work calls :p [07:30] <[0gb_us]> Good luck then! [07:30] :) [07:38] good morning [07:38] just wanted to say that I am loving Xubuntu [07:43] bluetooth manager keeps on crashing on my xubuntu [07:43] any help [08:10] wachira: what happens if you start the bluetooth manager from a terminal ? [08:11] well_laid_lawn, cascade failure resulting in an inter-dimensional rift which allows hostile aliens to enter our realm and enslave the earth. [08:11] or [08:12] heh [08:12] starting from terminal or starting from gui results in the same outcome [08:12] but it is easy to see why if the error is in a terminal [08:13] well_laid_lawn, that's true.. [09:45] I just upgraded to ubuntu 13.04 (xfce 4.10), and gnome-system-manager has a black background in the "resources" tab graphs. Is there a way to make the normal background appear? [09:45] (IIRC I had the same issue in 12.10 but had it fixed somehow; just can't find the link anymore) [09:54] fdel, sounds like a possible theming issue [09:57] fdel, fresh install or dist-upgrade? [09:58] upgrade [09:58] from 12.10 [10:04] knome, nerdtron: http://tinypic.com/r/10f9mj4/5 [10:05] fdel, yep, looks like a theming issue. [10:05] fdel, file a bug against shimmer-themes [10:07] knome: I use Xfce-smooth style. Oddly as I try other styles, sometimes the normal appearance "appears", but when closing/reopening the syst manager, the problem comes back [10:12] fdel, i have no idea.. sorry, at least that is your only issue in upgrading your system...i have no luck in terms of in place upgrades.. i alway sdo fresh install [10:14] knome: dpkg -S says Xfce-smooth is in /usr/share/themes/Xfce-smooth/gtk-2.0/gtkrc [10:14] so I guess a gtk2/3 issue [10:14] I mean in gtk2-engines-xfce package [10:15] how can i add a new user with encrypted home? [10:16] the standard-dialog does not have that option [10:52] which version of skype should I choose? [10:53] yeyeman: I am running 4.2.0.11 and it is working well on 13.04 [10:57] the previous version I had would crash randomly [10:57] and worse, crash reliably if I tried to call or accept a call [12:25] I am synergy to allow one keyboard/mouse to control multiple desktops. My linux desktop is one of those. It works fine except for when I start the linux computer up. Right now I just have synergy set in the program autostart menu which means it does not sync the keyboard/mouse until after the user login is complete. How can I get the command /usr/bin/synergyc 10.10.0.2 to run before the user login is prompted? [12:25] *I am using synergy [12:28] Monkeytoe: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto#Autostart_Synergy_before_logging_in_.28LightDM.29 [12:29] nice ! [12:29] so LightDM is the desktop manager xubuntu uses? [12:29] Monkeytoe: yes [12:29] the login manager, yes [12:54] Hi all I am using xubuntu 13.04 with the latest AMD stable display driver and the 3.9.13 kernel and when I restart or shutdown I get black and blue stripes [13:00] sweet it worked, thanks koegs :) [13:02] one other question... I have my desktop configured as a dual monitor... I moved my panel to the right monitor so that is where my whiskermenu and application icons are... the only issue I have with that is when I right click a program or file and hit "add to desktop" it adds it to the left monitor instead of the right. I cant for the life of me figure out how to set the right monitor as the main monitor and then extend the desktop of [13:02] f to the left in catalyst control panel. Is there any way to specify which monitor to place new icons on? [13:29] Hello all. I'm using Xubuntu 13.04, and for the first time plugged in a second monitor. After booting into xfce, my panels look completely wrong, similar to a very vanilla Xfce session, and many icons are missing. Changing the "Style" in "Settings Manager -> Appearance" has no effect. The problem is reversible -- remove the second monitor, and after booting everything looks completely normal. Has anyone seen this before? [13:35] Okay, I fixed it. Strangely, restarting has no effect at all, but logging out, logging into a new user with default configuration, then logging out and logging back into my own user fixed the problem. [14:53] hello guys [15:12] !hi | horrow [15:12] horrow: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [17:19] what is the substitute for ctrl+alt+-> (right arrow). I want to move a window to another workspace [17:20] usually ctrl+alt+shift+-> [17:20] Or right click title, 'Move to another workspace' [17:21] sorry, it was my fault. I am trying ctrl+alt+shift+-> but it isn't working [17:21] I am using bgardner solution atm, but I would like to use my keyboard [17:22] doug_: see window manager settings, you can actually set combination there and see the default [17:22] doug_: Check Settings->Window Manager->Keyboard->Move Window to ... [17:25] it is set to alt+ctrl+KP_1 [17:25] what would be kp1? [17:25] oh no, sorry [17:25] it is alt+ctrl+home [17:25] alt+ctrl+end [17:25] what a weird combination, but I like it [17:27] anyways, any idea of what is KP_1? [17:27] 1 on your keypad [17:27] doug_: Key pad 1 [17:28] so I can have 9 workspaces and send the window directly to them [17:28] thanks guys [18:00] it seems I cannot set the date on 12.10: after a couple of seconds, it returns back to today. Is this a bug? [18:00] probably you dont understand how to set time in linux [18:01] http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-set-date-time-from-linux-command-prompt/ [18:02] GridCube: date -s gives the same behavior. [18:03] also does --set= [18:05] Never mind, it's VirtualBox Guest Additions http://askubuntu.com/questions/35566 [18:38] hi, there is any way to set snippets to a keyboard shortcut?? thanks in advance [19:02] xubuntu354, yes [19:03] make an executable file, and link it to a keyboard shotrcut [19:04] hello gridcube, i was wondering if there is a way to create a shortcut for text, for example i press ctrl+9 and insert text "hello world" [19:16] he left? === Maple__ is now known as [Rainbow_Dash] [22:28] can anyone here shed some light on a problem I'm having? [22:28] !anyone | ciderbat [22:28] ciderbat: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [22:29] I reinstalled Xubuntu 12.04 and now it won't load anything past the lightdm login [22:29] dropping to TTY and doing "sudo startx" only tells me it's already running [22:29] i've installed it twice today to the same problem [22:33] ciderbat, from a tty run: sudo service lightdm stop [22:33] then run it back and see if a message changes [22:35] thanks. i'll boot and try it then i'll check back here [in live USB currently] [22:35] ciderbat, you can install irssi and log in from a terminal [22:35] i mean, log in here [22:36] ok. gonna use weechat :) [22:36] P: same but takes longer to install [22:43] i stopped light dm. it said "checking battery state" and then i started it again to the same issue [22:43] mmhm [22:44] when you stop the lightdm service you can try the startx [22:44] this is very odd since I formatted my root partition and did a clean install [22:44] ok, ill try that [22:44] i don't know [22:45] ok i'm in the barebones XFCE X window now [22:45] interesting [22:46] oh no, now i do ctrl alt f7 to go back to it and it's just that "checking battery state" again [22:46] oh, nm, it works with f8 [22:46] ciderbat, try deleting the .Xauthoriy and .ICEauthority in your ~/ folder [22:47] i don't know why but deleting them sometimes fixes booting from lightdm [22:48] GridCube, that's related to file permissions - they are flawed at least if you boot with root to the graphical interface (which you shouldn't do) [22:48] mmkay :) [22:49] i just know that reseting them by deleting them many times fix failed lightdm sessions [22:49] sure [22:50] Thank you so much!!! [22:51] It all makes sense now. I carried over my /home partition from the previous install, so the problems that were happening with that one were affecting this one since it's in /home and not / [22:51] now for many hours of apt-get! [22:53] o: it fixed you? [22:53] :D [22:53] yes [22:53] thank you again! [22:53] nvm :) [22:54] it must have been the same thing causing X11 to go wonky before I reinstalled too [22:54] prolly [22:54] i don't know why it happened. Maybe I shouldn't have merged Xubuntu with "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and then tried to backpedal. My comp was so messy after that [22:55] mmmhm [22:55] sounds about messy [22:55] oh that's weird. some of my games are still there [22:58] I tend to experiment a lot, but I think this time around I'll try and keep my system clean. Kind of silly to use a light distro and then throw a ton of random stuff at it [23:16] Good evening. I'm trying to get the (old) nvidia driver working on an (old) laptop. And I have, except it seems to detect the wrong native resolution for the display and do weird things as a result. [23:18] JonathanD: Howdy. And you can't set "Display" in the Settings Manager? [23:19] in display it maxes out below the native res. [23:19] It's not centered, either, it's top-left with weird corruption in the lower and right borders [23:20] Fun times. I'm guessing there's an nvidia settings manager, but what I do personally is force the mode with xrandr on startup by adding the mode and switching to it, but pretty sure that's not the best way. Normally I've used X -configure in a TTY to generate an xorg.conf file, but you can also use a minimal one to set the res (and driver?) you need. [23:21] the settings manager doesn't work properly with the older nvidia driver [23:21] (nvidia-96) [23:22] "The nvidia x driver on ubuntu:0.0 is not new enough to support the nvidia-settings..." [23:23] I do have an xorg.conf created by nvidia-xconfig [23:27] Yep, so I'd start there. [23:30] I wonder if it's actually related to the external port. I had to enable twinview w/ clone to get anything to display at all [23:30] perhaps the lower res is the max it can push to two displays. [23:45] it's day of the xorg issues!