[04:42] <ScottK> Hopefully fixed pykde4 uploaded.
[05:00] <ScottK> Meh.  Failed on armhf again.
[06:30] <soee> good morning
[07:08] <jussi> shadeslayer: oh shadeslayer, where art thou!
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Has yofel managed to work out your package yet?
[08:17] <yofel> well, he decided to leave it as it is after hearing my advice ^^
[08:17] <smartboyhw> yofel: ^^
[08:17] <yofel> it's not that you can't port that to quilt - works fine, but one patch still needs to be applied in rules after the build
[08:26] <soee> yesterday i have upgraded desktop pc with saucy to 4.11.1 :) reboot and after 5 minutes my PC died freezed :<
[08:28] <yofel> reproducable?
[08:33] <soee> yofel, dont know will test today a si went sleep after that  yesterday:)
[08:46] <Riddell> yay micro release exception accepted for kde telepathy, well done ScottK https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-September/001714.html
[08:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: ?
[08:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: do you really sleep that late in spain? :P :P 
[08:55] <shadeslayer> that late? 
[08:55] <smartboyhw>  Riddell yay
[08:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still no reply on that
[08:56] <jussi> shadeslayer: isnt it like 11 am there? :P
[08:56] <shadeslayer> ah
[08:56] <jussi> anyway, PM
[08:56] <shadeslayer> I've been awake for about 1:30 hours
[08:56] <jussi> *snerk*
[08:56] <jussi> shadeslayer: just wait til you have kids...
[08:56] <jussi> :P
[08:57] <shadeslayer> lol
[09:08] <mikhas> or worse, a job …
[09:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: on the mailing list? they were talking about it in an irc meeting
[09:28] <Riddell> jussi: he'll be going for his siesta soon
[09:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ahh
[09:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh no
[09:28] <shadeslayer> have to call up apartments 
[09:29] <Riddell> airbnb works nice for me, see you in november
[09:29] <shadeslayer> okie :)
[09:29] <shadeslayer> airbnb is fine for short term rentals
[09:31] <Riddell> I'm not sure where all these micro release exceptions are logged, any idea ScottK?
[09:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: e-mailed you with some rental links, some of them do long term rents I think
[09:32] <shadeslayer> yep
[09:32] <shadeslayer> I found idealista to be be pretty good
[09:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I also need to be wary of agencies
[09:33] <shadeslayer> they charge you about 1.5 months rental
[09:33] <shadeslayer> ontop of the deposit + first 2 months
[09:33] <shadeslayer> close to about 2000 EUR
[09:34] <mikhas> just ask some hostels whether they'd let you a private room for 1-2 months
[09:35] <shadeslayer> can't , I need a lease agreement so my paperwork can proceed
[09:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: in the uk using gumtree is perfectly common, craigslist is the equivalent US site and Le Bon Coin in france, simple classified adverts, dunno if spain has something similar
[09:52] <shadeslayer> Spain has loquo and idealista
[09:52] <shadeslayer> also has craigslist
[09:52] <shadeslayer> but loads of scams there
[09:52] <Riddell> yeah
[09:53] <shadeslayer> contacted 3 listings, all of them reverted back with "We used to live in spain, moved to UK/US/some other country, send us a security deposit, we will send you the keys of the apartment to check it out"
[09:55] <Riddell> ha, maybe not
[09:55] <Riddell> ask for the keys and say you'll then send a deposit
[09:56] <shadeslayer> what if they send me bogus keys :p
[09:58] <Riddell> so nobody wanting to do plasma active 4?
[09:58] <Riddell> Quintasan?
[10:05]  * smartboyhw will not be able to participate in any packaging until Thursday (homework + dictation)
[10:05] <Riddell> dictation?
[10:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell: i.e. you have to recite a passage or a paragraph and write it out in a lesson
[10:08] <Riddell> what's the point of that?
[10:09] <Riddell> random memory tests aren't going to help you learn anything
[10:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell: You Westeners will never understand the learning method for Chinese (and specifically, HongKongers)
[10:10] <smartboyhw> (srsly)
[10:11] <mikhas> just get a new language
[10:12] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:15] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: its the same thing in India
[10:15] <shadeslayer> and I find it pointless
[10:16] <shadeslayer> rote learning is becoming rampant :/
[10:17] <Riddell> my friend in the English as an Additional Language dept here in Edinburgh says it's a problem for them to explain to parents from many countries why we don't do rote learning and why it's not actually any use
[10:17] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: In Hong Kong, we consider this very useful, since you might want to quote a few sentences from it in your exams and the HKDSE exam (which affects which subjects you can enter in university or whether you can go to one at all)
[10:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw regarding ktp, where can I read the IRC logs?
[10:18] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: yep, I know, useful for exams, but the exam system is broken if it asks you to recite stuff from memory
[10:18] <Riddell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ :)
[10:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what channel though :)
[10:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: #ubuntu-meeting yesterday
[10:18] <shadeslayer> aha
[10:20] <shadeslayer> hurray
[10:20] <shadeslayer> d_ed shall be happy
[10:20] <shadeslayer> and then he might sneak in locusts as a dependency
[10:20] <Riddell> it was pretty much "kde are a trustworthy sort, fine with me"
[10:20] <Riddell> which is lovely
[10:20] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[10:21] <Riddell> what is locusts? sounds scary
[10:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://xkcd.com/797/
[10:23] <Riddell> :)
[10:45]  * Riddell starts throwing bits of PA4 into ~kubuntu-active ppa
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, \o/
[11:19] <Riddell> hmm share-like-connect fails on arm https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages
[11:19] <Riddell> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[11:19] <Riddell> some funky virtual machine error
[11:19] <Riddell> yofel: you mentioned that as a known problem?
[11:19] <yofel> it is, lemme find the bug
[11:20] <yofel> bug 1077116
[11:20] <Riddell> yeah that's automoc
[11:20] <yofel> as nobody seems to care about that I should maybe try to get in touch with qemu upstream or that'll never get fixed
[11:39] <ScottK> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[11:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you ever package bodega-client for muon?
[11:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Also, it'd be lovely if you looked at pykde4 on arm again.
[11:47] <Riddell> it's on my todo list, slightly scared of it getting to the top
[12:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Dunno.
[12:26] <Riddell> meh, plasma active needs an old version of maliit packaged, current version is qt 5
[12:30] <Riddell> 13:26 < notmart> on mer i packaged 0.93 release
[12:30] <Riddell> which explains why the patch is for an old version
[12:30] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:45] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:52] <Riddell> doods: kdepim 4.11 is going to be an lts version maintained by kolab sys
[12:52] <Riddell> do we want to keep it in a repo?
[12:52] <Riddell> they have packages in OBS, we can take patches from there
[12:53] <Riddell> which PPA to use seems to depend on whether upstream kdepim does 4.12 or not
[12:54] <Riddell> or they can take our packages from launchpad
[13:00] <cortexA9> hello
[13:00] <cortexA9> kubuntu daily of today doesn't work.
[13:00] <cortexA9> boot error.
[13:00] <cortexA9> for me
[13:00] <cortexA9> anyone have this problem ?
[13:02] <soee> what error?
[13:03] <cortexA9> with usb stick, i read Boot Error.
[13:03] <cortexA9> idk.
[13:04] <Riddell> hmm, not a very useful error message
[13:04] <cortexA9> very strange.
[13:04] <cortexA9> in the past was good.
[13:05] <Riddell> oh quite possibly something has changes to break it
[13:05] <Riddell> but it doesn't sound like something kubuntu specific
[13:05] <Riddell> could be a general ubuntu issue or could be something on your side
[13:05] <cortexA9> oh..
[13:05] <cortexA9> i try only kubuntu daily.
[13:05] <cortexA9> *tried.
[13:06] <cortexA9> maybe other version have this issue.
[13:06] <cortexA9> the amd64 one.
[13:08] <Riddell> cortexA9: if you want to be super useful you could try the ubuntu daily image and see if it has the same issue, otherwise we'll look at it when someone can
[13:08] <cortexA9> u mean the amd64 one ?
[13:08] <cortexA9> ok i try.
[13:11] <cortexA9> wait a sec.
[13:34] <cortexA9> Riddell: it's my usb stick damaged.
[13:36] <Riddell> cortexA9: aah, bad luck for you, good for kubuntu I suppose
[13:36] <Riddell> thanks for testing
[13:39] <cortexA9> Riddell: trying with another one.
[13:50] <Riddell> anyone remember what happened to /usr/include/solid/control/networkmanager.h kde-workspace-dev ?
[13:50] <Riddell> it was in some non existant package
[13:50] <yofel> moved to networkmanagement
[13:50] <yofel> and isn't shipped
[13:53] <Riddell> spose that can be fixed
[14:30] <cortexA9> hello
[14:31] <Riddell> hi cortexA9 
[14:39] <cortexA9> hi Riddell all ok.
[14:40] <Riddell> great :)
[14:40] <cortexA9> on kubuntu daily.
[14:40] <Riddell> hi littlegirl 
[14:40] <Riddell> littlegirl: moved to ubuntu docs?
[14:42] <littlegirl> Riddell: Hey there. (:
[14:42] <littlegirl> Riddell: No, just helping out. I had an itch to play in Bazaar and they looked like they needed help. (:
[14:43] <littlegirl> Riddell: I'm still a hardcore, die-hard Kubuntu user. (:
[14:44] <Riddell> hardcore, die-hard you say? excellent :)
[14:45] <cortexA9> eheh
[14:46] <cortexA9> Riddell: what is trello ?
[14:46] <littlegirl> Riddell: I think I started with Edgy and never looked back - I've stayed with it ever since, and fully intend to go with it on my tablet once that's Ironed out. (:
[14:47] <Riddell> cortexA9: trello is a nice todo list manager web app
[14:47] <Riddell> see trello.com/kubuntu
[14:47] <Riddell> littlegirl: what tablet do you have?
[14:47] <littlegirl> cortexA9: Here's a YouTube video about Trello that shows a quick summary of how it can be used: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaDf1RqeLfo
[14:48] <littlegirl> Riddell: Nexus 7
[14:48] <cortexA9> Riddell: thanks
[14:48] <littlegirl> Riddell: I was the one who was all excited that you guys were working on getting Kubuntu Active to work on that very tablet. (:
[14:50] <littlegirl> Riddell: Do you guys need any last minute help before the freeze on Thursday?
[14:51] <Riddell> before beta freeze?
[14:51] <littlegirl> Yep. (:
[14:53] <Riddell> littlegirl: well we've loads of bugs still and docs need packaged and bits need poked into compiling
[14:54] <littlegirl> Riddell: Is there a list somewhere of exactly where all of those things are? Also I have no idea how to package docs, and am not sure if I know how to poke bits into compiling, but probably not. (:
[14:55] <littlegirl> Riddell: But documentation bugs are right up my alley if you have those.
[14:55] <Riddell> https://trello.com/kubuntu
[14:55] <Riddell> http://goo.gl/vHRjj
[14:55] <Riddell> bugs ^^
[14:56] <Riddell> http://goo.gl/cjEFkO  
[14:56] <Riddell> things needing compiling ⇈
[14:56] <Riddell> littlegirl: the new docs need a review
[14:56] <Riddell> http://docs.kubuntu.org/
[14:59] <littlegirl> Riddell: I'll review those docs. (:
[15:02] <soee> yofel, pc works fine so far after yesterday  freeze
[15:03] <soee> Riddell, do you  have 2 minutes to help me a bit ?
[15:03] <Riddell> soee: what's up?
[15:04]  * BluesKaj gives Netrunner a tryout
[15:04] <Riddell> BluesKaj: what's it like?
[15:04] <soee> Riddell, is it possible in saucy to remove one of this 2 NM ?
[15:04] <Riddell> soee: yeah I added a script to do that last week
[15:05] <Riddell> you can dist-upgrade then log out and in
[15:05] <BluesKaj> pretty cool , a mix of some gtk apps and a comprehensive menu with interesting apps and links 
[15:05] <Riddell> or just remove it manually
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Riddell: ^
[15:05] <Riddell> BluesKaj: menu? as in homerun menu?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  no , it's actually more like the kde classicmenu , but extended 
[15:06] <Riddell> BluesKaj: got a screenshot?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> yup, hangon
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  bummer , prtscrn doesm't work with an open menu :(
[15:10] <yofel> ksnapshot has a delay timer
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  http://imagebin.org/271178 , you'll probly have to do ctrl - to make this image fit a normal monitor , mine's large sreen tv 
[15:21] <Riddell> that's classic menu all right
[15:23] <BluesKaj> gotta installpulseaudio after OS installation too , not default for some reason 
[15:29] <Riddell> confusing how he's calling both applets plasma NM http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/plasma-nm-current-and-future.html
[15:29] <Riddell> looks like version fiddlyness in the future for modemmanager, make sure we avoid that for saucy
[15:29] <Riddell> http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/the-future-of-modemmanagerqt-and.html
[15:50] <soee> Riddell, i have installed  all updates
[15:50] <soee> but still 2 NM applets
[15:53] <Riddell> fooey
[15:54] <Riddell> soee: does ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktoprc contain 06-remove-networkmanagement.js ?
[15:56] <soee> Riddell, yes last item in UPDATES: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/06-delete-networkmanagement.js
[15:56] <Riddell> fooey
[15:56] <Riddell> soee: do you have multiple panels?
[15:57] <Riddell> plasma active updated in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages  goodness knows if it works at all
[15:57] <soee> dont think so, i have only one visible
[15:59] <Riddell> my taskbar has stopped refreshing today :(
[16:00] <soee> ?
[16:14] <soee> is there  also contest for kubuntu wallpapers just like ubuntu has ?
[16:25] <maco> contest? you mean that thing where they pretend the winner's wallpaper will be ubuntu's wallpaper, and then they hire a designer to make a new one anyway?
[16:25] <maco> every. darned. time.
[16:25] <maco> no, i think kubuntu uses kde's default wallpaper
[18:14] <littlegirl> Riddell: Are you still at your keyboard?
[18:15] <littlegirl> valorie: Are you at your keyboard?
[18:16]  * littlegirl has a question about formatting in the wiki pages.
[18:19] <littlegirl> I'm reviewing the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic page, and my question is: When a reference is made to an application, like jockey-kde, it's surrounded in single quotes ('jockey-kde'), but not always. Later in the same paragraph it's just plain with no quotes around it. Is there a hard and fast rule about whether applications should get quotes (like when they are first mentioned in a page)?
[20:01] <seaLne> saucy seems to resume from suspend way faster than previously? atleast the i can start typing password within a few seconds of opeing the lid, previously it was 30-60s and ocasionally longer (its an oldish laptop) this makes things feel so much better, thanks
[21:31] <ovidiu-florin> hello world, anyone here?
[21:33] <ovidiu-florin> just tried to install kubuntu 13.04 on a computer and something went wrong with the kubuntu logo durring boot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NDOdXM74Ug