[04:42] Hopefully fixed pykde4 uploaded. [05:00] Meh. Failed on armhf again. === alpacaherder is now known as skellat === gaurav_ is now known as Guest69795 [06:30] good morning === fabo_ is now known as fabo === yofel_ is now known as yofel [07:08] shadeslayer: oh shadeslayer, where art thou! === himcesjf_ is now known as himcesjf [08:15] Noskcaj: Has yofel managed to work out your package yet? [08:17] well, he decided to leave it as it is after hearing my advice ^^ [08:17] yofel: ^^ [08:17] it's not that you can't port that to quilt - works fine, but one patch still needs to be applied in rules after the build === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [08:26] yesterday i have upgraded desktop pc with saucy to 4.11.1 :) reboot and after 5 minutes my PC died freezed :< [08:28] reproducable? [08:33] yofel, dont know will test today a si went sleep after that yesterday:) [08:46] yay micro release exception accepted for kde telepathy, well done ScottK https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-September/001714.html [08:54] jussi: ? [08:55] shadeslayer: do you really sleep that late in spain? :P :P [08:55] that late? [08:55] Riddell yay [08:55] Riddell: still no reply on that [08:56] shadeslayer: isnt it like 11 am there? :P [08:56] ah [08:56] anyway, PM [08:56] I've been awake for about 1:30 hours [08:56] *snerk* [08:56] shadeslayer: just wait til you have kids... [08:56] :P [08:57] lol [09:08] or worse, a job … [09:28] shadeslayer: on the mailing list? they were talking about it in an irc meeting [09:28] jussi: he'll be going for his siesta soon [09:28] Riddell: ahh [09:28] Riddell: heh no [09:28] have to call up apartments [09:29] airbnb works nice for me, see you in november [09:29] okie :) [09:29] airbnb is fine for short term rentals [09:31] I'm not sure where all these micro release exceptions are logged, any idea ScottK? [09:32] shadeslayer: e-mailed you with some rental links, some of them do long term rents I think [09:32] yep [09:32] I found idealista to be be pretty good [09:33] Riddell: I also need to be wary of agencies [09:33] they charge you about 1.5 months rental [09:33] ontop of the deposit + first 2 months [09:33] close to about 2000 EUR [09:34] just ask some hostels whether they'd let you a private room for 1-2 months [09:35] can't , I need a lease agreement so my paperwork can proceed [09:51] shadeslayer: in the uk using gumtree is perfectly common, craigslist is the equivalent US site and Le Bon Coin in france, simple classified adverts, dunno if spain has something similar [09:52] Spain has loquo and idealista [09:52] also has craigslist [09:52] but loads of scams there [09:52] yeah [09:53] contacted 3 listings, all of them reverted back with "We used to live in spain, moved to UK/US/some other country, send us a security deposit, we will send you the keys of the apartment to check it out" [09:55] ha, maybe not [09:55] ask for the keys and say you'll then send a deposit [09:56] what if they send me bogus keys :p [09:58] so nobody wanting to do plasma active 4? [09:58] Quintasan? [10:05] * smartboyhw will not be able to participate in any packaging until Thursday (homework + dictation) [10:05] dictation? [10:07] Riddell: i.e. you have to recite a passage or a paragraph and write it out in a lesson [10:08] what's the point of that? [10:09] random memory tests aren't going to help you learn anything [10:10] Riddell: You Westeners will never understand the learning method for Chinese (and specifically, HongKongers) [10:10] (srsly) [10:11] just get a new language [10:12] LOL [10:15] smartboyhw: its the same thing in India [10:15] and I find it pointless [10:16] rote learning is becoming rampant :/ [10:17] my friend in the English as an Additional Language dept here in Edinburgh says it's a problem for them to explain to parents from many countries why we don't do rote learning and why it's not actually any use [10:17] shadeslayer: In Hong Kong, we consider this very useful, since you might want to quote a few sentences from it in your exams and the HKDSE exam (which affects which subjects you can enter in university or whether you can go to one at all) [10:18] Riddell: btw regarding ktp, where can I read the IRC logs? [10:18] smartboyhw: yep, I know, useful for exams, but the exam system is broken if it asks you to recite stuff from memory [10:18] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ :) [10:18] Riddell: what channel though :) [10:18] shadeslayer: #ubuntu-meeting yesterday [10:18] aha [10:20] hurray [10:20] d_ed shall be happy [10:20] and then he might sneak in locusts as a dependency [10:20] it was pretty much "kde are a trustworthy sort, fine with me" [10:20] which is lovely [10:20] yep :) [10:21] what is locusts? sounds scary [10:21] Riddell: http://xkcd.com/797/ [10:23] :) [10:45] * Riddell starts throwing bits of PA4 into ~kubuntu-active ppa [10:51] Riddell, \o/ [11:19] hmm share-like-connect fails on arm https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages [11:19] qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped [11:19] some funky virtual machine error [11:19] yofel: you mentioned that as a known problem? [11:19] it is, lemme find the bug [11:20] bug 1077116 [11:20] bug 1077116 in qemu (Ubuntu) "automoc4 segfaults when building in an armhf pbuilder on an amd64 host" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077116 [11:20] yeah that's automoc [11:20] as nobody seems to care about that I should maybe try to get in touch with qemu upstream or that'll never get fixed [11:39] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions [11:39] smartboyhw: did you ever package bodega-client for muon? [11:40] Riddell: Also, it'd be lovely if you looked at pykde4 on arm again. [11:47] it's on my todo list, slightly scared of it getting to the top [12:15] Riddell: Dunno. [12:26] meh, plasma active needs an old version of maliit packaged, current version is qt 5 [12:30] 13:26 < notmart> on mer i packaged 0.93 release [12:30] which explains why the patch is for an old version [12:30] heh === skfini is now known as skfin [12:45] 'Morning folks [12:52] doods: kdepim 4.11 is going to be an lts version maintained by kolab sys [12:52] do we want to keep it in a repo? [12:52] they have packages in OBS, we can take patches from there [12:53] which PPA to use seems to depend on whether upstream kdepim does 4.12 or not [12:54] or they can take our packages from launchpad [13:00] hello [13:00] kubuntu daily of today doesn't work. [13:00] boot error. [13:00] for me [13:00] anyone have this problem ? [13:02] what error? [13:03] with usb stick, i read Boot Error. [13:03] idk. [13:04] hmm, not a very useful error message [13:04] very strange. [13:04] in the past was good. [13:05] oh quite possibly something has changes to break it [13:05] but it doesn't sound like something kubuntu specific [13:05] could be a general ubuntu issue or could be something on your side [13:05] oh.. [13:05] i try only kubuntu daily. [13:05] *tried. [13:06] maybe other version have this issue. [13:06] the amd64 one. [13:08] cortexA9: if you want to be super useful you could try the ubuntu daily image and see if it has the same issue, otherwise we'll look at it when someone can [13:08] u mean the amd64 one ? [13:08] ok i try. [13:11] wait a sec. [13:34] Riddell: it's my usb stick damaged. [13:36] cortexA9: aah, bad luck for you, good for kubuntu I suppose [13:36] thanks for testing [13:39] Riddell: trying with another one. [13:50] anyone remember what happened to /usr/include/solid/control/networkmanager.h kde-workspace-dev ? [13:50] it was in some non existant package [13:50] moved to networkmanagement [13:50] and isn't shipped [13:53] spose that can be fixed [14:30] hello [14:31] hi cortexA9 [14:39] hi Riddell all ok. [14:40] great :) [14:40] on kubuntu daily. [14:40] hi littlegirl [14:40] littlegirl: moved to ubuntu docs? [14:42] Riddell: Hey there. (: [14:42] Riddell: No, just helping out. I had an itch to play in Bazaar and they looked like they needed help. (: [14:43] Riddell: I'm still a hardcore, die-hard Kubuntu user. (: [14:44] hardcore, die-hard you say? excellent :) [14:45] eheh [14:46] Riddell: what is trello ? [14:46] Riddell: I think I started with Edgy and never looked back - I've stayed with it ever since, and fully intend to go with it on my tablet once that's Ironed out. (: [14:47] cortexA9: trello is a nice todo list manager web app [14:47] see trello.com/kubuntu [14:47] littlegirl: what tablet do you have? [14:47] cortexA9: Here's a YouTube video about Trello that shows a quick summary of how it can be used: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaDf1RqeLfo [14:48] Riddell: Nexus 7 [14:48] Riddell: thanks [14:48] Riddell: I was the one who was all excited that you guys were working on getting Kubuntu Active to work on that very tablet. (: [14:50] Riddell: Do you guys need any last minute help before the freeze on Thursday? [14:51] before beta freeze? [14:51] Yep. (: [14:53] littlegirl: well we've loads of bugs still and docs need packaged and bits need poked into compiling [14:54] Riddell: Is there a list somewhere of exactly where all of those things are? Also I have no idea how to package docs, and am not sure if I know how to poke bits into compiling, but probably not. (: [14:55] Riddell: But documentation bugs are right up my alley if you have those. [14:55] https://trello.com/kubuntu [14:55] http://goo.gl/vHRjj [14:55] bugs ^^ [14:56] http://goo.gl/cjEFkO [14:56] things needing compiling ⇈ [14:56] littlegirl: the new docs need a review [14:56] http://docs.kubuntu.org/ [14:59] Riddell: I'll review those docs. (: [15:02] yofel, pc works fine so far after yesterday freeze [15:03] Riddell, do you have 2 minutes to help me a bit ? [15:03] soee: what's up? [15:04] * BluesKaj gives Netrunner a tryout [15:04] BluesKaj: what's it like? [15:04] Riddell, is it possible in saucy to remove one of this 2 NM ? [15:04] soee: yeah I added a script to do that last week [15:05] you can dist-upgrade then log out and in [15:05] pretty cool , a mix of some gtk apps and a comprehensive menu with interesting apps and links [15:05] or just remove it manually [15:05] Riddell: ^ [15:05] BluesKaj: menu? as in homerun menu? [15:06] Riddell: no , it's actually more like the kde classicmenu , but extended [15:06] BluesKaj: got a screenshot? [15:06] yup, hangon [15:09] Riddell: bummer , prtscrn doesm't work with an open menu :( [15:10] ksnapshot has a delay timer [15:20] Riddell: http://imagebin.org/271178 , you'll probly have to do ctrl - to make this image fit a normal monitor , mine's large sreen tv [15:21] that's classic menu all right [15:23] gotta installpulseaudio after OS installation too , not default for some reason [15:29] confusing how he's calling both applets plasma NM http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/plasma-nm-current-and-future.html [15:29] looks like version fiddlyness in the future for modemmanager, make sure we avoid that for saucy [15:29] http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/the-future-of-modemmanagerqt-and.html === PaulW2U_ is now known as Paulw2U === Paulw2U is now known as PaulW2U [15:50] Riddell, i have installed all updates [15:50] but still 2 NM applets [15:53] fooey [15:54] soee: does ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktoprc contain 06-remove-networkmanagement.js ? [15:56] Riddell, yes last item in UPDATES: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/06-delete-networkmanagement.js [15:56] fooey [15:56] soee: do you have multiple panels? [15:57] plasma active updated in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages goodness knows if it works at all [15:57] dont think so, i have only one visible [15:59] my taskbar has stopped refreshing today :( [16:00] ? [16:14] is there also contest for kubuntu wallpapers just like ubuntu has ? [16:25] contest? you mean that thing where they pretend the winner's wallpaper will be ubuntu's wallpaper, and then they hire a designer to make a new one anyway? [16:25] every. darned. time. [16:25] no, i think kubuntu uses kde's default wallpaper [18:14] Riddell: Are you still at your keyboard? [18:15] valorie: Are you at your keyboard? [18:16] * littlegirl has a question about formatting in the wiki pages. [18:19] I'm reviewing the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic page, and my question is: When a reference is made to an application, like jockey-kde, it's surrounded in single quotes ('jockey-kde'), but not always. Later in the same paragraph it's just plain with no quotes around it. Is there a hard and fast rule about whether applications should get quotes (like when they are first mentioned in a page)? [20:01] saucy seems to resume from suspend way faster than previously? atleast the i can start typing password within a few seconds of opeing the lid, previously it was 30-60s and ocasionally longer (its an oldish laptop) this makes things feel so much better, thanks [21:31] hello world, anyone here? [21:33] just tried to install kubuntu 13.04 on a computer and something went wrong with the kubuntu logo durring boot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NDOdXM74Ug