[09:58] <AlecTaylor> hi
[09:58] <AlecTaylor> What are the actual min rec RAM for Ubuntu 13.10 x64? - I tried with 1024MB on VirtualBox and it was very slow :\
[10:35] <Ian_Corne> are you sure you hit the ram limit?
[10:35] <Ian_Corne> what does free -m say?
[10:38] <k1l> i bet its the video limit or llvmpipe stuff and not the ram
[11:29] <snadge> ive lost my ctrl-alt-t open terminal shortcut.. is this a known current issue?
[11:30] <snadge> it started happening a few days ago maybe
[11:34] <snadge> if i go into system settings -> keyboard .. theres a shortcut for launch terminal thats defined as Ctrl+Alt+T
[11:36] <snadge> im using metacity with gnome-fallback
[12:45] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:56] <philinux> !ask
[14:35] <ariel__> hello
[14:35] <ariel__> hi
[14:42] <philinux> ariel__: hiya
[14:44] <ariel__> help
[14:45] <ariel__> i am from colombia
[14:45] <ariel__> i live in colombia
[14:45] <ariel__> my english is sou sou
[14:46] <ariel__> help error ubuntu 13.10
[14:47] <ariel__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6119732/
[14:57] <philinux> ariel__: yep software center crashed on me too.
[14:58] <snadge> ctrl-alt-t stopped working! noooo *explodes*
[14:59] <philinux> ariel__: in a terminal use this ubuntu-bug software-center and raise a bug and include your pastebin
[14:59] <philinux> snadge: worky here
[14:59] <snadge> gnome fallback im using
[15:00] <philinux> ah unity here
[15:01] <snadge> i may have to switch, it's annoying
[15:01] <snadge> also the scroll wheel has stopped working on the speaker/volume indicator applet
[15:02] <philinux> snadge: i'm so used to unity now i get a shock at girlfriends when i have to use here machine without unity
[15:02] <snadge> assuming thats another issue specific to unaccelerated gnome fallback session
[15:02] <snadge> i can actually happily use either
[15:03] <snadge> i just find the non composited desktop better for full screen 3d gaming
[15:06] <snadge> the fallback session is great imho, definitely worth keeping that around, for compatibility and remote desktop especially
[15:06] <snadge> and whingers ;)
[15:25] <philinux> snadge: saucy running fine even on my acer 1410
[15:47] <snadge> yeah okay.. so after installing some updates and a reboot now the scroll wheel works on the volume again
[15:47] <snadge> still no ctrl alt t.. or ctrl alt l
[15:56] <philinux> snadge: what about in a unity session
[15:56] <philinux> snadge: might be worth raising a thread here.  http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=427
[15:58] <alankila> Is getting rid of python 2.7 one of the goals for 13.10?
[15:58] <Pici> Why would it be?
[15:59] <alankila> Well, was just wondering.
[15:59] <alankila> I've migrated to python3.x for my own scripts and am just trying to estimate the time frame for when python2.x stops being included by default.
[15:59] <Pici> Even if the Ubuntu devs were trying to get all their scripts updated to python3, I can't seem 2.7 getting removed from the standard install.
[15:59] <Pici> s/seem/see/
[16:00] <alankila> I'm thinking it would be fairly soon though
[16:01] <alankila> it seems that gnome 3 is still largely dependent on python 2.7, though.
[16:10] <Akiva-Mobile> about to do a reinstall; should I bother with 3.10>
[16:10] <Akiva-Mobile> ?
[16:10] <Akiva-Mobile> 13.10?
[16:11] <Akiva-Mobile> doesnt seem like much has changed
[16:12] <alankila> I saw that on nvidia hardware gnome 3 now requires vsync. That was huge change for fluidity and pleasantness of the desktop experience for me.
[16:13] <alankila> no more tearing halfway every time I scroll down in browser
[16:14] <alankila> it used to work by default in compiz, or you could flick a checkbox on to enable it if nothing else, but that capability was lost in gnome 3 transition. I'm glad it's back. For that reason alone, I'd recommend update if you happen to use it.
[16:14] <alankila> it's probably been on all the time on unity, the lucky bastards
[16:14] <snadge> philinux .. unity works as expected.. i can open terminal, lock desktop
[16:15] <snadge> gnome fallback, i can open a terminal
[16:15] <snadge> but not lock the desktop
[16:15] <snadge> gnome fallback with no effects.. cant do either
[16:15] <snadge> strange.. the shortcuts are defined.. i can capture the event.. hmms
[19:34] <fhedstrom>  When i upgraded to 13.10 beta it doesnt seem to load the correct intel drivers. Always when I start up i get "Low resolution" warning but then it starts lightdm and x as usual. But in settings->about in x it says Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.2, 128 bits) and not intel...
[19:37] <BluesKaj> fhedstrom:  which intel chip ?  sudo lshw -C video , look for the 'product:'
[19:39] <fhedstrom> Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[19:39] <fhedstrom> BluesKaj, Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[19:41] <BluesKaj> fhedstrom:  try ,  lspci | grep VGA , that may give us more precise info
[19:42] <fhedstrom> BluesKaj, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18)
[19:42] <fhedstrom> sorry..
[19:44] <fhedstrom> I guess it could be the  Mobile Intel GM965 Express
[19:44] <fhedstrom> but im not sure... mby i should boot 13.04 and find out
[19:44] <BluesKaj> I think that's it
[19:46] <fhedstrom> Its a bit old laptop - dell vostro
[19:46] <brainwash> check "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel"
[19:46] <brainwash> to make sure that the intel driver is installed
[19:47] <fhedstrom>   Installerad: 2:2.21.14-4ubuntu4
[19:47] <fhedstrom> Translates "Installed"
[19:48] <brainwash> yea, easy to guess :)
[19:48] <fhedstrom> :>
[19:49] <brainwash> checking the relevant log files might shed some light onto this issue
[19:49] <brainwash> like /var/log/syslog /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:50] <BluesKaj> normally there aren't any additional drivers available for intel onboard gpus , so the default driver is usually "it" .
[19:51] <fhedstrom> Yeah it has been for some realeases now... thats what so strange... never had any problems with it
[19:51] <fhedstrom> is the gallium a fallback driver or?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> fhedstrom:  is the same driver default on 13.04 ?
[19:53] <fhedstrom> no, on 13.04 it says intel
[19:53] <fhedstrom> in X
[19:53] <fhedstrom> and its a lot more smoother
[19:54] <fhedstrom> [    16.383] (II) LoadModule: "intel"
[19:54] <fhedstrom> [    16.383] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
[19:54] <fhedstrom> [    16.414] (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[19:54] <fhedstrom> [    16.414] 	compiled for 1.14.2.901, module version = 2.21.14
[19:54] <BluesKaj> are you on unity , and 13,10 is using Xmir is it not ?
[19:55] <fhedstrom> now im on gnome-shell but i thought the intel driver didnt support xmir?
[19:55] <fhedstrom> and it wasnt default yet
[19:57] <BluesKaj> I'm  KDE user and all this Xmir stuff on ubuntu saucy is becoming difficult for me to figure out ...KDE is still using X
[19:58] <fhedstrom> So is gnome-shell
[19:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:01] <fhedstrom> But I agree... Its getting harder and harder to use different windowmanagers
[20:02] <fhedstrom> well I'll search the logs BluesKaj tnx for trying
[20:04] <BluesKaj> if it's any consolation fhedstrom , 13.10 , at least on KDE, isn't really much different than 13.04
[20:05] <Daekdroom> Is indicator-datetime not loading for anyone else?
[21:04] <brainwash> can anyone confirm, that notify-osd queues notifications (volume changes,..) instead of replacing the existing notification popup?
[21:13] <trism> brainwash: might be bug 1191565
[21:14] <brainwash> yes :D
[21:15] <brainwash> this one requires some more attention :/
[23:07] <imnichol> I need to file a bug for audio stuttering, anyone know how to do that?