[07:59] <bkerensa> :s
[08:00] <bkerensa> hi dpm
[08:29] <dpm> hi bkerensa
[14:41] <littlegirl> Hey there, bkerensa, can you give a bit more detail about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/017776.html as far as when to do it? I'm assuming you do it after a bzr commit and before a bzr push, but would rather know for sure than get it wrong. (:
[16:07] <pleia2> littlegirl: it's before the commit, since the changelog is an edited file that you commit too
[16:08] <pleia2> the 'dch' command just does some magic against the text-based changelog file to add your name, email, time+date automagically
[16:46] <littlegirl> pleia2: Oh, thank you! I love understanding how things work and when to do them. (:
[16:46] <littlegirl> pleia2: So it doesn't ask for anything (like a comment that you have to be ready to input)?
[16:47] <pleia2> littlegirl: running "dch" should open up a changelog file that you edit
[16:48] <littlegirl> pleia2: Oh, okay. Do I need to add anything, or will it add it for me (the automagically part you mentioned above)?
[16:48] <pleia2> littlegirl: to the changelog, just add your changes, you can browse the changelog for examples
[16:49] <littlegirl> pleia2: Okay, that sounds good. Thanks! I like making myself a step by step reference to use for what has to happen from start to finish when I make any changes to anything huge, like somebody else's project. (:
[16:50] <pleia2> littlegirl: that sounds great :)
[16:50]  * littlegirl has been known to make the occasional mistake when committing or pushing, so better safe than sorry. (:
[16:51] <pleia2> thanks for pushing through and asking questions, our docs docs is such a mess and the folks who know what's going on have a hard time seeing what isn't documented
[16:51] <belkinsa> Would this idea work for wiki pages or is that the comment text book when you save changes to a wiki page?
[16:52] <pleia2> belkinsa: wiki pages and the docbook docs are quite different
[16:52] <pleia2> so not really :\
[16:52] <belkinsa> pliea2: Oh, I see.
[16:53] <littlegirl> pleia2: Any time. I'm big on making documentation as detailed and simple (a conundrum, I know) as possible. The Documentation Teams both have waaay too much documentation and it's all over the place. (:
[16:53] <pleia2> littlegirl: indeed!
[16:53] <belkinsa> pleia2: I guess that's what comments are for in the wiki pages.
[16:53] <pleia2> belkinsa: heh, everyone uses them for different things :)
[16:53] <littlegirl> belkinsa: No, I was talking about your https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/017776.html message in the mailing list, which I assume is for those of us who are pushing changes to lp:ubuntu-docs.
[16:54] <pleia2> belkinsa: in theory, I think we should use them like a changelog/commit message to say what you're changing
[16:54] <belkinsa> littlegril: I see and sorry for butting in.
[16:54] <pleia2> belkinsa: not butting in at all :) it was a good question
[16:54] <littlegirl> belkinsa: No, that's great that you did. I just needed to know when to do your command and what it would do. (:
[16:55] <belkinsa> Right, thanks.
[16:55] <littlegirl> belkinsa: You were the first one to ever mention that it even needed to be done, so it was a good thing you noticed it and mentioned it. (:
[16:55] <belkinsa> :blushes
[16:55]  * littlegirl has had a rather haphazard entry into Kubuntu/Ubuntu without ever getting a proper mentor. (:
[16:55] <littlegirl> I've just kind of latched onto any of you who would answer my questions and gone from there. (:
[16:56] <belkinsa> Good thing that I spoke up.
[16:56] <littlegirl> belkinsa: Yes! How hard was it for you to clean up all of our pushes?
[16:56] <littlegirl> I think there's been rather a lot of activity recently. (:
[16:57] <belkinsa> littlegirl: What pushes?
[16:57] <littlegirl> belkinsa: All of our recent pushes to lp:ubuntu-docs. A few of us had been committing, and I know at least I was guilty of not doing that dch command.
[16:58] <belkinsa> Oh, on the wiki?  Yeah, but there were minor changes, mainly to fix some of the outdated-ness.
[16:59] <littlegirl> No, not the wiki. the Ubuntu documentation. Oh! Is the dch command only for the wiki? Or do I need to do it if I'm editing the stuff in /ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help/C/ ?
[16:59] <pleia2> littlegirl: no no, dch is only for docbook docs, not the wiki
[16:59] <littlegirl> I haven't been doing any wiki commits (I didn't even know I could). (:
[16:59] <pleia2> belkinsa is working on wiki; littlegirl is working on docbook docs
[16:59] <belkinsa> That's correct.  I'm the wiki person.
[16:59] <littlegirl> pleia2: Oh! LOL! Then I don't need to do it, or I do?
[16:59] <pleia2> littlegirl: as I said, everyone does things differently :)
[17:00] <littlegirl> LOL
[17:00] <belkinsa> ;)
[17:00] <pleia2> in theory we probably should leave a note in the Comment: box when we make a change on the wiki, but I am lazy too and don't often do it
[17:00] <belkinsa> I only do it when it's needed.
[17:00] <belkinsa> to explain the changes.
[17:00] <pleia2> (I'm actually at a work sprint now, should pay attention)
[17:00] <littlegirl> I have a request for either or both of you, or anyone else who can do this. I found some validation errors in the docbook docs and fixed all but one. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how. Can you guys take a look at it?
[17:02] <littlegirl> Okay, sorry about that!
[17:02] <littlegirl> belkinsa: I try to put comments on everything, but once in a while I forget. (:
[17:03] <belkinsa> Maybe we need some standard produce for changelogs/comments for the wiki when it's major change and make it required by code.  Or would that be too much for us?
[17:04] <littlegirl> It might alienate newbies. I suppose you could get it to do a quick pop-up that says, "Did you remember to leave a comment letting us know what you changed?" or something like that. But even that might turn people away.
[17:05] <belkinsa> True, true.  I guess the current way works fine.
[17:16] <belkinsa> Research in Biotechnology is a place where a researcher needs to explain why they changed something in their lab note books.  That's where the idea for doing that on the wiki came from.
[17:28] <littlegirl> I see. (:
[17:30] <belkinsa> littlegirl: I saw your reply.  Is the reason why I don't need to give your credit?  Is it because you just compiled the various things into one list?
[17:31] <littlegirl> belkinsa: It's more that it's just a list. You can give me credit, but it's not like it's a published book or anything, so anyone could have made it. (:
[17:31] <littlegirl> belkinsa: By the way, you've got a reply to your dch thing in the mailing list. I'm going to wait until you two duke it out before deciding whether I'll do the dch or not. (:
[17:32] <belkinsa> Um, that wasn't me.
[17:32] <littlegirl> Oh, I am an idiot. Never mind. (:
[17:32] <belkinsa> It's okay.
[17:32] <belkinsa> Some of us have very close usernames here.
[17:32] <belkinsa> nicks*
[17:33] <littlegirl> Yeah, and I got you confused with bkerensa. (:
[17:33] <belkinsa> I'm already used to that, has happened to me in another channel.
[17:34] <belkinsa> Maybe I should be using Barsook instead, which is my other username I use.
[17:34] <littlegirl> Anything is fine. All of us will eventually learn it whichever way you go. (:
[17:34] <belkinsa> Yup.
[17:46] <belkinsa> Also, I guess my e-mail address doesn't match my nick name.
[17:46] <belkinsa> But that will change soon.
[17:49] <littlegirl> It doesn't have to. (:
[17:49] <belkinsa> I know
[21:23] <quantumpants> hi guys
[21:24] <quantumpants> i need help7