[07:59] :s [08:00] hi dpm [08:29] hi bkerensa [14:41] Hey there, bkerensa, can you give a bit more detail about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/017776.html as far as when to do it? I'm assuming you do it after a bzr commit and before a bzr push, but would rather know for sure than get it wrong. (: [16:07] littlegirl: it's before the commit, since the changelog is an edited file that you commit too [16:08] the 'dch' command just does some magic against the text-based changelog file to add your name, email, time+date automagically [16:46] pleia2: Oh, thank you! I love understanding how things work and when to do them. (: [16:46] pleia2: So it doesn't ask for anything (like a comment that you have to be ready to input)? [16:47] littlegirl: running "dch" should open up a changelog file that you edit [16:48] pleia2: Oh, okay. Do I need to add anything, or will it add it for me (the automagically part you mentioned above)? [16:48] littlegirl: to the changelog, just add your changes, you can browse the changelog for examples [16:49] pleia2: Okay, that sounds good. Thanks! I like making myself a step by step reference to use for what has to happen from start to finish when I make any changes to anything huge, like somebody else's project. (: [16:50] littlegirl: that sounds great :) [16:50] * littlegirl has been known to make the occasional mistake when committing or pushing, so better safe than sorry. (: [16:51] thanks for pushing through and asking questions, our docs docs is such a mess and the folks who know what's going on have a hard time seeing what isn't documented [16:51] Would this idea work for wiki pages or is that the comment text book when you save changes to a wiki page? [16:52] belkinsa: wiki pages and the docbook docs are quite different [16:52] so not really :\ [16:52] pliea2: Oh, I see. [16:53] pleia2: Any time. I'm big on making documentation as detailed and simple (a conundrum, I know) as possible. The Documentation Teams both have waaay too much documentation and it's all over the place. (: [16:53] littlegirl: indeed! [16:53] pleia2: I guess that's what comments are for in the wiki pages. [16:53] belkinsa: heh, everyone uses them for different things :) [16:53] belkinsa: No, I was talking about your https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/017776.html message in the mailing list, which I assume is for those of us who are pushing changes to lp:ubuntu-docs. [16:54] belkinsa: in theory, I think we should use them like a changelog/commit message to say what you're changing [16:54] littlegril: I see and sorry for butting in. [16:54] belkinsa: not butting in at all :) it was a good question [16:54] belkinsa: No, that's great that you did. I just needed to know when to do your command and what it would do. (: [16:55] Right, thanks. [16:55] belkinsa: You were the first one to ever mention that it even needed to be done, so it was a good thing you noticed it and mentioned it. (: [16:55] :blushes [16:55] * littlegirl has had a rather haphazard entry into Kubuntu/Ubuntu without ever getting a proper mentor. (: [16:55] I've just kind of latched onto any of you who would answer my questions and gone from there. (: [16:56] Good thing that I spoke up. [16:56] belkinsa: Yes! How hard was it for you to clean up all of our pushes? [16:56] I think there's been rather a lot of activity recently. (: [16:57] littlegirl: What pushes? [16:57] belkinsa: All of our recent pushes to lp:ubuntu-docs. A few of us had been committing, and I know at least I was guilty of not doing that dch command. [16:58] Oh, on the wiki? Yeah, but there were minor changes, mainly to fix some of the outdated-ness. [16:59] No, not the wiki. the Ubuntu documentation. Oh! Is the dch command only for the wiki? Or do I need to do it if I'm editing the stuff in /ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-help/C/ ? [16:59] littlegirl: no no, dch is only for docbook docs, not the wiki [16:59] I haven't been doing any wiki commits (I didn't even know I could). (: [16:59] belkinsa is working on wiki; littlegirl is working on docbook docs [16:59] That's correct. I'm the wiki person. [16:59] pleia2: Oh! LOL! Then I don't need to do it, or I do? [16:59] littlegirl: as I said, everyone does things differently :) [17:00] LOL [17:00] ;) [17:00] in theory we probably should leave a note in the Comment: box when we make a change on the wiki, but I am lazy too and don't often do it [17:00] I only do it when it's needed. [17:00] to explain the changes. [17:00] (I'm actually at a work sprint now, should pay attention) [17:00] I have a request for either or both of you, or anyone else who can do this. I found some validation errors in the docbook docs and fixed all but one. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how. Can you guys take a look at it? [17:02] Okay, sorry about that! [17:02] belkinsa: I try to put comments on everything, but once in a while I forget. (: [17:03] Maybe we need some standard produce for changelogs/comments for the wiki when it's major change and make it required by code. Or would that be too much for us? [17:04] It might alienate newbies. I suppose you could get it to do a quick pop-up that says, "Did you remember to leave a comment letting us know what you changed?" or something like that. But even that might turn people away. [17:05] True, true. I guess the current way works fine. [17:16] Research in Biotechnology is a place where a researcher needs to explain why they changed something in their lab note books. That's where the idea for doing that on the wiki came from. [17:28] I see. (: [17:30] littlegirl: I saw your reply. Is the reason why I don't need to give your credit? Is it because you just compiled the various things into one list? [17:31] belkinsa: It's more that it's just a list. You can give me credit, but it's not like it's a published book or anything, so anyone could have made it. (: [17:31] belkinsa: By the way, you've got a reply to your dch thing in the mailing list. I'm going to wait until you two duke it out before deciding whether I'll do the dch or not. (: [17:32] Um, that wasn't me. [17:32] Oh, I am an idiot. Never mind. (: [17:32] It's okay. [17:32] Some of us have very close usernames here. [17:32] nicks* [17:33] Yeah, and I got you confused with bkerensa. (: [17:33] I'm already used to that, has happened to me in another channel. [17:34] Maybe I should be using Barsook instead, which is my other username I use. [17:34] Anything is fine. All of us will eventually learn it whichever way you go. (: [17:34] Yup. [17:46] Also, I guess my e-mail address doesn't match my nick name. [17:46] But that will change soon. [17:49] It doesn't have to. (: [17:49] I know [21:23] hi guys [21:24] i need help7