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diddledan:-p00:08
AlanBellmorning all07:23
MartijnVdS\o07:25
* AlanBell sees that someone has been using exceptionalemails.com \o/07:37
MartijnVdSAlanBell: Could you add a (useful) <title>? My IRC robot on another network doesn't like title-less pages ;)07:41
MartijnVdSAlanBell: (it works fine, but it says "[ No title. ]")07:42
MartijnVdShmm.. it HAS a title07:42
MartijnVdSseems like I have to "educate" my bot07:42
TheOpenSourcerertypo in the FAQ AlanBell "you will only get alerts you have asket for. "07:43
AlanBellMartijnVdS: erm, yeah, looks fine to me, but let me know if something is wrong with it07:44
AlanBellTheOpenSourcerer: fixed07:44
TheOpenSourcererAlthough have to say "asket" sounds quite a nice word...07:44
MartijnVdSAlanBell: nah apparently $bot is confused by HTML507:44
TheOpenSourcererAlanBell: Should link to github here I think: "The code for the site is available on GitHub under the AGPL3 licence"...07:45
AlanBelllinked it now07:47
TheOpenSourcererNo mention of Libertus Solutions anywhere? Deliberate?07:48
AlanBellerm, that was in the footer07:49
TheOpenSourcererThe sign up box would look nicer if there was a bit of padding.07:49
AlanBellwhere the +1 button was for a bit, until I deleted that . . . and everything else in the footer07:49
TheOpenSourcererlol07:49
TheOpenSourcererAnd the login box07:49
TheOpenSourcererSo the inputs and labels line up with the headings07:50
AlanBellyeah, I will look up the bootstrapish way to do that07:51
AlanBellpadding fixed, I was missing the panel-body div07:56
TheOpenSourcerer:-D07:56
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:15
MooDoomorning morning08:16
SuperMattmorning08:17
mungbeanthe irc dawn chorus08:17
DJonesShould that be the IRC yawn chorus :)08:19
* TheOpenSourcerer thinks of Bagpuss08:19
mungbeani wasn't until i got married that i realised i do a massive wookiee yawn when i wake up each day08:19
JamesTaitGood morning all, happy US Constitution Day! :-D08:22
MooDoomorning james08:23
DJonesJamesTait: I read that as Constipation day, I wondered if it was Will Smith's new film08:28
JamesTaitI don't think there's be anything happy about that, DJones. ;)08:29
DJonesHeh08:29
dutchiemorning08:29
mungbean1991 – The first version of the Linux kernel (0.01) is released to the Internet.08:31
mungbean17 september according to wikipedia08:32
MooDooDJones: i wouldn't watch it, it's sh** :)08:32
mungbeanMooDoo: its quite slow moving08:33
MooDoomungbean: he just needs to get a move on and push it out.08:34
mungbeanthis is where the fact i learned off reddit helps08:34
mungbeanprobably more of a pub chat though08:35
DJonesAnyway, Its a new movie, It hasn't come out yet08:37
DJonesAnd on that note, I'll leave that conversation behind08:37
DJonesmungbean: Went down and picked that puppy up on Saturday08:38
mungbeanDJones: cool. is it still a puppy?08:41
DJonesYep This was his first meeting with our dog this morning http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vkEkgtIjgN008:43
popeyhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITS-ALTAIR-8800-Rare-Museum-Condition-Computer-Intel-C8080A-CPU-S-223399-/151104111148?08:45
popeyzoiks08:45
bigcalmpopey: tempted?08:52
bigcalmI bet Ron from Wolves LUG would love it08:52
AlanBell"but does it run Ubuntu?" "Imagine a beowulf cluster of . ." etc. etc.08:53
popeyno, i was tempted by something else they had for sale08:53
bigcalmAlanBell: it's weird that the Beowulf comment is still used08:56
MooDoobigcalm: why wierd?  just coz it's a old term?08:57
bigcalmMooDoo: just surprised that it's still used. Only relevant to those of us who knew of it in the late 90s / early 2000s08:58
popeyit's a meme, memes often outlive their useful life08:58
bigcalmBest thing since sliced bread?08:59
AlanBellbigcalm: it is a bit of an "I am old in internet years" kind of phrase09:00
popeyI am 12 and what is this.09:00
bigcalmAlanBell: yus09:00
mungbeanhave they stopped doing those stupid memes on slashdot yet?09:00
AlanBellfirst post!!11!09:01
mungbeanin soviet russia/beowulf/etc09:01
bigcalmI wouldn't know. Haven't looked at /. since the early 2000s :)09:01
mungbeani realised i've stopped reading stuff that i used to read09:01
mungbeanand haven't replaced it with anything else09:01
bigcalmDon't read the comments!09:01
dwatkinsnever read the comments09:02
AlanBellwonder if http://exceptionalemails.com could withstand a slashdotting. I suspect it probably could.09:02
MartijnVdShttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Microsoft-Windows-3-1-Operating-System-5-1-4-Disk-Package-NIB-Never-opened-/151084863909?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232d5c11a5 -- about the same price as Windows 8 Retail 8-)09:02
bigcalmAlanBell: shameless plug :)09:02
MartijnVdSAlanBell: I've already sent it to a few people who might find it useful :)09:02
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: and the same functionality? ;)09:02
AlanBellbigcalm: yup ;)09:02
MartijnVdSdwatkins: Windows 3.1, so yes09:02
bigcalmI do hope nobody brings a laptop to the RAT. Phones are expected. Not sure about tablets though09:03
AlanBellwonder if popey will bring a battery powered remotely operateable webcam09:03
* bigcalm expects popey to be pimping Ubuntu Touch ;)09:03
TheOpenSourcererpopey: is *always* pimping something ;-)09:04
popeyAlanBell: haha maybe09:05
popeywill AlanBell have a device I can tether to?09:07
AlanBellpopey: sure09:08
brobostigongood morning everyone,09:09
* TheOpenSourcerer will be in Italy and expecting to see some posts on twitter/G+09:10
popeynot sure how we could get images out of the camera to the web though09:10
bigcalmThere will be plenty of photos :)09:10
popeyi have a crontab which wgets from my webcam at home09:10
popeyif you had a fixed IP or dynamic dns hostname on your phone we could do the same09:10
bigcalmThat could be arranged09:11
AlanBellthe camera does ddns, however I think the phone might get a nat IP address09:11
bigcalmYep09:11
bigcalmWould need to relay it to another host I think09:11
popeyhm09:12
popeyunless your phone does upnp ☻09:12
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AlanBellwell I don't think the network does it's bit of upnp09:12
Monotokoanyone want to help me with some terrible perl code that any perl programmer would probably murder me for?09:13
popeybigcalm loves perl09:13
* bigcalm hisses at popey09:13
Monotokobigcalm will probably kill me then09:13
Monotoko:P09:13
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Monotokobasically this works when I don't send the email, when I add the sendmail line it fails saying no recepiants: http://pastebin.com/F0maJWZ409:14
AlanBellpopey: my ssh client on the phone can do port forwarding, so I can probably forward a port from the camera to one of my servers09:14
Monotokoeven though I know there's a value in Emails[1]09:14
bigcalmMonotoko: I haven't used perl in anger for a very long time. Somebody else will be of better help I'm sure09:15
Monotokobigcalm: no worries :p I understand the anger09:15
MonotokoI daren't go to #perl to ask because they will just slaughter me for the shoddy code :(09:15
* popey points Monotoko at MartijnVdS ☻09:17
popeyHe's a Perlvert.09:17
bigcalmSome channels are more polite than others. Never go to #perl on efnet09:17
bigcalmOr on dalnet09:17
Monotokoohh lord I hate dalnet...09:17
Monotokoahhh #perl was actually helpful \o/09:26
SuperMatt/o\09:27
MartijnVdShmmm? :)09:27
MartijnVdSI'd try #london.pm on irc.perl.org for Perl questions09:28
mungbeanwow, gta5 gameplay looks slick09:43
dvrrHiiiiii09:43
mungbeanhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2013/sep/17/gta-v-first-heist-playthrough-video09:44
dvrrMooDoo09:51
diddledan_dvrr, moodoo to yoo too :-p09:54
diddledan_(I know MooDoo is a person, I'm just being facetious)09:54
mungbeanpoor MooDoo , his screen must be lighting up like a chrimstas tree09:55
diddledan_:-)09:55
dvrri have problem vnc server   configuration please help me09:56
dvrrpopey09:58
dvrrfailed to load session gnome classic vnc cerver09:59
MooDoosorry can't see so bright....09:59
mungbeanholidays are coming...10:00
popeydvrr: ?10:00
mungbeanMooDoo is having a near death experience10:00
MooDooglad i'm on hols in a few weeks.10:00
AlanBell!rat this weekend \o/10:00
lubotu3AlanBell: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)10:00
mungbeanme too, but i'm not glad that summer has ended10:00
AlanBell!rat | this weekend \o/10:00
lubotu3this weekend \o/: The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. 21st September 2013, Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/10:00
mungbeanwhat sort of train?10:01
MooDooI might have to plan for this event next year10:01
MooDoosteam train10:01
AlanBellmungbean: a choo choo train10:01
mungbeanwoo10:01
popeychoo choo indeed10:01
mungbeanwaiting for the day i have a house big enough to buy a hornby set10:03
dvrrpopey:failed to load session gnome classic vnc cerver10:03
davmor2Morning all10:03
MooDoomorning davmor210:05
mungbeanis there another way to read yahoo groups that doesn't invole their hideously slow interface?10:31
mungbeanworst thing ever10:31
popeyNearly noodles time!10:33
MartijnVdSHis Noodliness?10:34
davmor2MooDoo: how's life, how's photography?10:34
MooDoodavmor2: good, it's going ok, got a few shoots lined up, but really need to thinking about career changes, so it's a little on the back burner10:37
popey\o/ career changes10:37
popeynearly 2 years since I logged into a SAP system \o/10:37
MooDoostill want to work in the same sorta thing support/team leader but 7 years is a long time :d10:41
popeyindeed!10:41
mungbeanscary that i'm not even half way through my career yet10:42
popeyI did SAP for uhm... 14 years10:42
popey1997-201110:42
MooDooi've been working with computers for 25 years :S10:42
MooDoomake that 2210:42
* popey checks10:42
MooDoopopey: you'll remember these, I first did a YTS with IBM :)10:43
popey\o/ 2310:43
MooDoolol :)10:43
mungbeanwhen i was at school i aclways thought i'd work for IBM10:43
MooDoowe are around the same age popey :)10:43
popeyyeah10:43
mungbeanwho wears glasses?10:44
MooDoome10:44
mungbeanmy eyesight seems ok still10:44
popeynope10:44
popeynot had eyes checked for a couple of years10:44
mungbeanevxcept for dizzy spells, probably unrelated10:44
brobostigonany opinions on how effective or lack thereof, automatic screen brightness adjustment has on battery life?10:44
mungbeanbrobostigon: it certainly eats faster than permanently low, but thats stating the obvious10:45
mungbeanbut is noticeable10:45
MartijnVdSAuto brightness is a LOT better than always-full though10:45
MartijnVdSor always-middle10:45
brobostigonmungbean: quite.10:45
popeyi am not so sure10:45
mungbeani use it for convenience10:45
popeywhen i see the computer dim i nudge the mouse to wake it, instinctively10:46
popeyso making it worse ☻10:46
MooDooi always use full brightness, then again I don't really use my laptop unplugged10:46
mungbeanalso, the lowest brightness on auto brightness, is not as dim as manual lowest brightness10:46
brobostigoni havent used it, but my gf asked me about it last night, and i thought, i may aswell ask.10:46
mungbeanoh woops i was talking about phones10:46
mungbeanmy laptop one doesn't seem to work10:47
MooDooI always seem to login then have to up the brightness10:47
brobostigonok, thank you everyone,10:48
mungbeani had to move the bongo.ogg file recently so disable the greeting bongos :(10:48
mungbeanbug is on launchpad - cannot disable it10:48
popeycan't recall last time I heard it10:49
popeysurely you can uninstall the sound theme?10:50
mungbeanmaybe. it's a shared machine and the bongoes would end up at full volume since the mute setting wasn't remembered for the lightdm page10:51
popeyubuntu-sounds is the package10:52
mungbeanthe doctors surgery won't vaccinate my son because the sessions are only in the afternoon when he has pre-school11:58
mungbeannice11:58
dvrrpopey:11:59
popeydvrr: ?11:59
dvrri have small problem11:59
popeymungbean: can't you take him out of pre-school for the vacc?11:59
mungbeanits gonna be his first week12:00
mungbeanso rather disruptive12:00
popeymy son had a hospital appointment on his first week12:00
mungbeanthe vaccination is an oral spray , and is rather expensive. so i suspect their inflexibility will keep costs down12:00
mungbeanin the short term of course12:01
directhexmy son had all vaccinations to date in his own home, carried out by a team of 312:12
mungbeanwow12:19
mungbeanthat doesn't sound like the UK12:20
directhexall it cost us was a few vials of human blood12:20
TheOpenSourcererOur kids' vaccinations were all done at the local GP surgery... 5mins walk from our house.12:22
TheOpenSourcererAnd paid for by the NHS12:22
mungbeanhttp://metro.co.uk/2013/09/15/not-funny-creepy-clown-lingers-on-streets-of-northampton-in-middle-of-the-night-4012455/12:25
MartijnVdSmungbean: hahaha :)12:26
mungbeantesco are releasing an android tablet.12:28
MartijnVdSso they can target ads better?12:28
mungbeantie in with blinkbox etc12:28
mungbeanpredicted price is £9912:29
TheOpenSourcererMy 9 yr old has just gathered enough dough to buy a Nexus 7...12:30
* TheOpenSourcerer slightly envious as I have an original Galaxy Tab 10.112:31
mungbeanmy mrs has a galaxy tab (1 or 2, unsure), and v nice indeed12:32
mungbeanexcept for the oily patch on teh screen12:32
popeysophie saved up for an ipod touch12:32
popeywe got her an iphone 4 in the end, as a friend was getting rid of it12:32
TheOpenSourcererMonty wanted 16G and moar screen that the Nexus 4...12:33
popeyyeah, i nearly convinced sophie to have a nexus 412:34
mungbeanlooking at websites for linka modelling, it's like entering an archive.org timewarp12:36
mungbeani forgot web pages used to look like this12:36
TheOpenSourcerermungbean:  http://www.lingscars.com/12:37
mungbeanow ow ow12:38
TheOpenSourcererlol12:39
MartijnVdSling-scars?12:48
diddledan_TheOpenSourcerer: full-stop/period. that is all.12:50
diddledan_in other words: you're an evil evil person12:50
TheOpenSourcererThat is a very popular website amazingly.12:51
diddledan_I suppose the question must arise as to why you would frequent such a site?12:51
MartijnVdSdiddledan_: for the music12:51
MartijnVdS(of course)12:51
TheOpenSourcererTo geta good deal on car leasing presumably12:51
TheOpenSourcererOMG - Just seen some of popey's music choices.. Hmmm. Boney M.12:57
MooDoolol12:57
TheOpenSourcererhttp://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUXa4QMCUAAzk7z.png:large12:58
popeyI scrolled down to hide some of it12:58
TheOpenSourcererha12:58
popeynote the A's aren't there12:58
TheOpenSourcererAbba?12:58
popeyya12:58
MartijnVdSpopey: A*Teens?12:58
popeyya12:58
TheOpenSourcererThat's OK - I was a paid up fan club member12:59
popeyi fail12:59
popeyhahah12:59
TheOpenSourcererHad posters and everything12:59
popeyI am impressed. MTP works better on my nexus 4 running ubuntu than it ever did under android!12:59
MartijnVdSAqua?12:59
popeyno12:59
MartijnVdSAce of Base?12:59
popey12:59
MartijnVdSpopey: Boney M. is still on there though.12:59
* MooDoo can't say anything having just puchased the latest 80's albumn :)12:59
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6119347/13:00
TheOpenSourcererJackson 5 (eeeww)13:00
MartijnVdSMooDoo: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/4sXUFBP520n3SC2o8bg0TF  -- "So 80s it hurts"13:00
TheOpenSourcererWhere is Flock of Seagulls?13:00
diddledan_I just bought yesterday a compilation of "100 80's classics"13:00
MartijnVdSso, you want to be hurt by the 80s? :)13:08
davmor2diddledan: had that ages ago :D13:09
TheOpenSourcererSurprised there was no "5 Star" on popey's list either.13:10
* davmor2 remembers he is a virgin user so has a free premium spotify account and logs in to listen to MartijnVdS so 80's it hurts playlist13:13
MartijnVdSdavmor2: hah, my ISP pays for premium spotify as well :)13:13
popeydavmor2: virgin users have free spotify?!13:14
popeywhy am I paying!13:14
MartijnVdShttp://store.virginmedia.com/bundles/spotify.html13:15
MartijnVdS?13:15
MartijnVdShttps://support.spotify.com/uk/problems/#!/article/How-do-I-activate-my-Virgin-subscription ?13:15
popeypoffft13:15
popey3 months free?13:15
popeyoh, virgin _mobile_13:15
davmor2popey: I just got via email so clicked on the link :D13:16
popeyyeah, just found the mail, 3 months only13:17
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MartijnVdSdavmor2: does it hurt yet? :)13:33
davmor2MartijnVdS: no I know tracks that aren't on it and they play in my head all the time, this is quite soothing ;)13:33
dwatkinswow, it really is difficult to explain IRC to people used to only using direct messaging13:35
MartijnVdSdavmor2: there's also a 90s list13:35
MartijnVdSdwatkins: "it's like big group texts", is "Whatsapp" known there?13:35
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: I mean the way that we use it here and in my last job to talk about stuff without everyone necessarily having to read everything13:36
dwatkinse.g. hilighting when you're having a conversation with one person, MartijnVdS13:36
diddledan_dwatkins, I always liked the term "multiplayer notepad"13:36
MartijnVdSdwatkins: ah, yeah that can confuse people13:36
dwatkinsthey seem to think it's disruptive, that you'll constantly have to read the channel and put up with it alerting you to new messages13:36
MartijnVdSdwatkins: weird13:37
diddledan_I tend to not take much notice of things in IRC13:37
MartijnVdSdiddledan_: unless we mention you13:37
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: exactly, especially as I use IRC here and in various other places all the time ;)13:37
diddledan_I might occasionally look as in just now13:37
dwatkinsdiddledan_:  me neither, unless I'm bored or on the phone ;)13:37
dwatkins...or want to rant...13:37
mungbeanirc = chat room ?13:38
MartijnVdSbut..G+ is for rants13:38
davmor2diddledan: I'm pretty sure we should all be offended by the fact that you pay little attention to us ;)13:38
diddledan_IRC = text-mode google hangouts13:38
diddledan_lol13:38
dwatkinsmungbean: I mean the concept of having an internal IRC server within a company and having rooms for certain subjects, be they "sales" vs "engineering" or specific applications, products etc.13:38
dwatkinsthey get the idea of a chat room, just not how it can be useful for work13:38
dwatkinsI spent 10 years at a company which uses IRC internally to great effect within the support and engineering departments13:39
dwatkins(granted, sales rarely turned up there)13:39
MartijnVdSsales want lync here13:39
MartijnVdSweird MS people13:39
MartijnVdSMS-using people*13:39
davmor2dwatkins: just tell them, it's the voices in their head on the screen ;)13:40
dwatkinsI was really hesitant to use MSN for anything work-related, but I assume Lync has the option of you installing an internal chat server13:40
MartijnVdSdwatkins: it does, integrates with AD and exchange and everything13:40
MartijnVdSdwatkins: closed protocol though13:40
dwatkinsdavmor2: yeah, sometimes quite literally - I've supported people before for products I barely know, by talking to someone on IRC to get enough info at the time the customer called13:40
MartijnVdSdwatkins: (well, SIP-ish, but not quite)13:40
mungbeansales/marketing/numpties tend to ask for product name instead of describing the problem14:02
MartijnVdSmungbean: yeah, exactly14:02
mungbean"we want sharepoint". no you dont14:03
MartijnVdS"But the MS salesman told me I did"14:09
Seeker`irony? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-2412799914:11
MooDoooh dear14:15
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popeyany regex people about?15:32
popeyin a bash script I need to pluck a string out from a line..15:33
popeye.g. return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("karmaMachine", "1.0", "StorageDatabase", 1000000);15:33
popeyI need to get the name of the database (in this case karmaMachine)..15:33
dutchie\("(\w+)"15:34
dutchiesed -e 's/\("(\w+)"/\1'15:35
dutchieor possibly: sed -e 's/return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync\("(\w+)"/\1'15:35
dutchieoh and put a closing / on15:35
popeyheh15:36
popeyis this version 0.1?15:36
popey15:36
dutchie:P15:36
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popeycan't seem to correct that15:37
dutchiehow about:15:39
dutchiegrep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/\("(\w+)"/\1/'15:39
dutchieoh the backslashes are the wrong way round15:40
dutchiegrep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/("\(\w+\)"/\1/'15:40
popeyno, it returns the whole line15:42
popey /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.brianrobles204.karma-machine/current/KarmaMachine.qml:             return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("karmaMachine", "1.0", "StorageDatabase", 1000000);15:42
popeylike that15:42
dutchieah apparently sed REs are very limited15:44
dutchiegrep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/("\([a-zA-Z])"/\1/'15:44
dutchiegrep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/("\([a-zA-Z]\)"/\1/'15:44
popeysame15:45
popeynvm. thanks. I'll play15:46
dutchiesorry i couldn't help more15:47
dutchieyou could just try using perl instead of sed15:47
SuperMattpopey: that code club thing seems awesome15:48
popeyit is15:48
SuperMattI wish I could have attended something like that when I was younger15:48
bigcalmYou could do so as an adult and help16:02
SuperMatttrue true16:02
SuperMattthough I'm not sure I'm actually near any schools at the mo16:02
SuperMattturns out I am16:03
SuperMattthough I am employed full time, so I wouldn't be able to get to any of those schools before 6.3016:03
bigcalmMeep, how is it now 5pm?16:04
shaunopopey: I'd just be lazy and tokenize it instead, grep return /tmp/popeything | awk -F "\"" '{print $2}'16:05
popeySuperMatt: I have organised with my employer to take time out of my day to do it16:06
SuperMattI've just looked, there's a couple of schools near where I work that are looking for someone16:07
popeythere is also #codeclub ☻16:08
SuperMattbut man, finishing work at 3 and having to make that time up again, that'd be hard16:08
ali1234regex16:14
SuperMattI <3 regex16:14
popeyshauno: yeah, awk seems to win16:14
ali1234just write a python script instead16:14
ali1234foo.split(',')[2].strip('"')16:16
davmor2bigcalm: well time, for this instance,  is this linear thing that we mark to allow it progress, it steadily ticks away and if you don't watch it, it disappears quick than when you do watch it........16:26
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AlanBelljust had a call from Mercedes about the next service on the car, so we chatted about that, then he asked if I worked for Canonical as I put my Ubuntu.com email address on file :)16:53
AlanBellturns out he was really excited about the Ubuntu Edge phone concept and wants that to be a reality with the saphire screen16:54
bigcalmNice16:55
davmor2AlanBell: Nice17:08
AlanBell!info goaccess17:11
lubotu3goaccess (source: goaccess): log analyzer and interactive viewer for the Apache Webserver. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:0.5-1 (quantal), package size 42 kB, installed size 136 kB17:11
AlanBell^^ that is excellent17:11
popeywell this is odd.17:16
popeyi have a script running on the phone doing an ls of a file17:16
popeyit says no such file or directory17:16
popeybut if I adb shell into the phone and copy/paste the same ls line it is found17:16
popeymake no sense17:16
AlanBelloverlay fs?17:17
AlanBellone of them is seeing the underlay17:17
popeyhm17:17
popeyno,its the home directory17:18
popey /dev/mmcblk0p23 on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)17:18
AlanBellnot permissions and not a particularly freaky filename?17:19
popeyIm root in the script and root in adb shell17:20
popeyand if I adb shell, I can just copy/paste the echo'ed line out and it works17:20
popeythere is a space in the directory name17:25
popeythats what's doing it17:25
popeyI escaped it in the script though17:25
popeyls: cannot access /home/phablet/.local/share/Qt\ Project/QtQmlViewer: No such file or directory17:26
popeyyet..17:26
popeyroot@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /home/phablet/.local/share/Qt\ Project/QtQmlViewer17:26
popeyBeruBookSettings.db  QML                  ubuntu-tasks.db17:26
popeyCNotesDatabase.db    memories-storage.db17:26
popeyfixed by judicious use of quotes17:28
ali1234popey: escaping is different inside scripts18:07
ali1234eg: al@al-desktop:~$ ls does\ not\ exist18:08
ali1234ls: cannot access does not exist: No such file or directory18:08
ali1234notice you don't see the escapes on the second line18:08
GentileBenMartijnVdS, are you watching the game?18:46
brobostigonthat was weird, jimmy nail was just singing with sting on jools holland.21:12
shaunojimmy nail?  the crocodile shoes dude?  haven't seen that name for eons21:38
diddledanwho's so hardcore they use awesome (http://awesome.naquadah.org/) or xmonad (http://xmonad.org/)?21:41
diddledan(I'm thinking about it)21:41
ali1234nope.21:41
ali1234deliberately using arcane/complicated tools doesn't make you "hardcore", sorry21:41
diddledanthey're only arcane/complicated from a mouse-first perspective21:42
diddledanmaybe that should read mouse-only?21:44
ali1234arcane, "understood only by a few"21:44
diddledansee even if I were to use a mouse I still feel I'd benefit from some of the stuff they provide21:44
ali1234they both literally fit that definition21:45
diddledanthis looks amazing: http://awesome.naquadah.org/images/6mon.medium.png :-p21:47
diddledanI need moar monitors21:47
shaunodoesn't using 6 monitors prove that your window manager isn't effective?21:49
diddledanerm, I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion - moar monitors means more simultaneously visible - a window manager generically hides stuff when there's no more room21:51
ali1234yes21:51
diddledanbeing able to see things isn't a drawback21:51
ali1234more likely it proves you don't know how to use your window manager21:51
ali1234which is quite likely to happen when you use something that is designed to be as complicated as possible21:52
shaunoI just figure if you find neck strain preferable to window switching, then window switching is presenting far too high a barrier21:59
ali1234right. you can only really see detail in an area the size of your outstretched hand anyway22:27
ali1234if you have 6 monitors like that all you've done is paid a massive amount of money for what is as useful as 5 flashing lights to indicate activity in a window you;re not looking at22:28
Azelphurali1234: while it's true, even with someone who is accustomed to serious multitasking like me, I can only concentrate on two, maybe 3, simultaniously, what multimonitor does allow you to do is to "time share" more effectively22:34
Azelphurfor example, I can quite easily keep up with the chatter on 30 or so channels if I want, because doing so involves no clicking or interaction with the computer whatsoever22:35
Azelphurthe moral being, no it's not simultaneous, it's just that having that much data on the screen allows you to task switch so fast that it might as well be22:36
diddledanthankyou Azelphur that explains better than I managed22:40
Azelphurdiddledan: hehe, I'm a quad monitor user :)22:40
Azelphurget asked that sorta stuff a lot22:40
diddledanI'm a quad-monitor wannabe :-p22:40
Azelphurdiddledan: if you decide to be a quad-monitor doabee, check out the ebay 2560x1440 korean monitors22:41
Azelphurthey are cheap as hell, use the same decent panels as the apple monitors do, and are generally awesome, and cost hardly anything.22:41
diddledanthe closest I've got is two laptops and two monitors on my desktop using synergy+22:41
Azelphurtis how I started :)22:42
shaunoI have three at work, and it feels great to leave them there :/22:45
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