? My IRC robot on another network doesn't like title-less pages ;) [07:42] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: (it works fine, but it says "[ No title. ]") [07:42] <MartijnVdS> hmm.. it HAS a title [07:42] <MartijnVdS> seems like I have to "educate" my bot [07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> typo in the FAQ AlanBell "you will only get alerts you have asket for. " [07:44] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: erm, yeah, looks fine to me, but let me know if something is wrong with it [07:44] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: fixed [07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Although have to say "asket" sounds quite a nice word... [07:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: nah apparently $bot is confused by HTML5 [07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Should link to github here I think: "The code for the site is available on GitHub under the AGPL3 licence"... [07:47] <AlanBell> linked it now [07:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> No mention of Libertus Solutions anywhere? Deliberate? [07:49] <AlanBell> erm, that was in the footer [07:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> The sign up box would look nicer if there was a bit of padding. [07:49] <AlanBell> where the +1 button was for a bit, until I deleted that . . . and everything else in the footer [07:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol [07:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> And the login box [07:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> So the inputs and labels line up with the headings [07:51] <AlanBell> yeah, I will look up the bootstrapish way to do that [07:56] <AlanBell> padding fixed, I was missing the panel-body div [07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D === _Dave2_ is now known as Dave2 [08:15] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :) [08:16] <MooDoo> morning morning [08:17] <SuperMatt> morning [08:17] <mungbean> the irc dawn chorus [08:19] <DJones> Should that be the IRC yawn chorus :) [08:19] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks of Bagpuss [08:19] <mungbean> i wasn't until i got married that i realised i do a massive wookiee yawn when i wake up each day [08:22] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy US Constitution Day! :-D [08:23] <MooDoo> morning james [08:28] <DJones> JamesTait: I read that as Constipation day, I wondered if it was Will Smith's new film [08:29] <JamesTait> I don't think there's be anything happy about that, DJones. ;) [08:29] <DJones> Heh [08:29] <dutchie> morning [08:31] <mungbean> 1991 – The first version of the Linux kernel (0.01) is released to the Internet. [08:32] <mungbean> 17 september according to wikipedia [08:32] <MooDoo> DJones: i wouldn't watch it, it's sh** :) [08:33] <mungbean> MooDoo: its quite slow moving [08:34] <MooDoo> mungbean: he just needs to get a move on and push it out. [08:34] <mungbean> this is where the fact i learned off reddit helps [08:35] <mungbean> probably more of a pub chat though [08:37] <DJones> Anyway, Its a new movie, It hasn't come out yet [08:37] <DJones> And on that note, I'll leave that conversation behind [08:38] <DJones> mungbean: Went down and picked that puppy up on Saturday [08:41] <mungbean> DJones: cool. is it still a puppy? [08:43] <DJones> Yep This was his first meeting with our dog this morning http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vkEkgtIjgN0 [08:45] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITS-ALTAIR-8800-Rare-Museum-Condition-Computer-Intel-C8080A-CPU-S-223399-/151104111148? [08:45] <popey> zoiks [08:52] <bigcalm> popey: tempted? [08:52] <bigcalm> I bet Ron from Wolves LUG would love it [08:53] <AlanBell> "but does it run Ubuntu?" "Imagine a beowulf cluster of . ." etc. etc. [08:53] <popey> no, i was tempted by something else they had for sale [08:56] <bigcalm> AlanBell: it's weird that the Beowulf comment is still used [08:57] <MooDoo> bigcalm: why wierd? just coz it's a old term? [08:58] <bigcalm> MooDoo: just surprised that it's still used. Only relevant to those of us who knew of it in the late 90s / early 2000s [08:58] <popey> it's a meme, memes often outlive their useful life [08:59] <bigcalm> Best thing since sliced bread? [09:00] <AlanBell> bigcalm: it is a bit of an "I am old in internet years" kind of phrase [09:00] <popey> I am 12 and what is this. [09:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: yus [09:00] <mungbean> have they stopped doing those stupid memes on slashdot yet? [09:01] <AlanBell> first post!!11! [09:01] <mungbean> in soviet russia/beowulf/etc [09:01] <bigcalm> I wouldn't know. Haven't looked at /. since the early 2000s :) [09:01] <mungbean> i realised i've stopped reading stuff that i used to read [09:01] <mungbean> and haven't replaced it with anything else [09:01] <bigcalm> Don't read the comments! [09:02] <dwatkins> never read the comments [09:02] <AlanBell> wonder if http://exceptionalemails.com could withstand a slashdotting. I suspect it probably could. [09:02] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Microsoft-Windows-3-1-Operating-System-5-1-4-Disk-Package-NIB-Never-opened-/151084863909?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232d5c11a5 -- about the same price as Windows 8 Retail 8-) [09:02] <bigcalm> AlanBell: shameless plug :) [09:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I've already sent it to a few people who might find it useful :) [09:02] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: and the same functionality? ;) [09:02] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yup ;) [09:02] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Windows 3.1, so yes [09:03] <bigcalm> I do hope nobody brings a laptop to the RAT. Phones are expected. Not sure about tablets though [09:03] <AlanBell> wonder if popey will bring a battery powered remotely operateable webcam [09:03] * bigcalm expects popey to be pimping Ubuntu Touch ;) [09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: is *always* pimping something ;-) [09:05] <popey> AlanBell: haha maybe [09:07] <popey> will AlanBell have a device I can tether to? [09:08] <AlanBell> popey: sure [09:09] <brobostigon> good morning everyone, [09:10] * TheOpenSourcerer will be in Italy and expecting to see some posts on twitter/G+ [09:10] <popey> not sure how we could get images out of the camera to the web though [09:10] <bigcalm> There will be plenty of photos :) [09:10] <popey> i have a crontab which wgets from my webcam at home [09:10] <popey> if you had a fixed IP or dynamic dns hostname on your phone we could do the same [09:11] <bigcalm> That could be arranged [09:11] <AlanBell> the camera does ddns, however I think the phone might get a nat IP address [09:11] <bigcalm> Yep [09:11] <bigcalm> Would need to relay it to another host I think [09:12] <popey> hm [09:12] <popey> unless your phone does upnp ☻ === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:12] <AlanBell> well I don't think the network does it's bit of upnp [09:13] <Monotoko> anyone want to help me with some terrible perl code that any perl programmer would probably murder me for? [09:13] <popey> bigcalm loves perl [09:13] * bigcalm hisses at popey [09:13] <Monotoko> bigcalm will probably kill me then [09:13] <Monotoko> :P === scott is now known as Guest65323 [09:14] <Monotoko> basically this works when I don't send the email, when I add the sendmail line it fails saying no recepiants: http://pastebin.com/F0maJWZ4 [09:14] <AlanBell> popey: my ssh client on the phone can do port forwarding, so I can probably forward a port from the camera to one of my servers [09:14] <Monotoko> even though I know there's a value in Emails[1] [09:15] <bigcalm> Monotoko: I haven't used perl in anger for a very long time. Somebody else will be of better help I'm sure [09:15] <Monotoko> bigcalm: no worries :p I understand the anger [09:15] <Monotoko> I daren't go to #perl to ask because they will just slaughter me for the shoddy code :( [09:17] * popey points Monotoko at MartijnVdS ☻ [09:17] <popey> He's a Perlvert. [09:17] <bigcalm> Some channels are more polite than others. Never go to #perl on efnet [09:17] <bigcalm> Or on dalnet [09:17] <Monotoko> ohh lord I hate dalnet... [09:26] <Monotoko> ahhh #perl was actually helpful \o/ [09:27] <SuperMatt> /o\ [09:27] <MartijnVdS> hmmm? :) [09:28] <MartijnVdS> I'd try #london.pm on irc.perl.org for Perl questions [09:43] <mungbean> wow, gta5 gameplay looks slick [09:43] <dvrr> Hiiiiii [09:44] <mungbean> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2013/sep/17/gta-v-first-heist-playthrough-video [09:51] <dvrr> MooDoo [09:54] <diddledan_> dvrr, moodoo to yoo too :-p [09:54] <diddledan_> (I know MooDoo is a person, I'm just being facetious) [09:55] <mungbean> poor MooDoo , his screen must be lighting up like a chrimstas tree [09:55] <diddledan_> :-) [09:56] <dvrr> i have problem vnc server configuration please help me [09:58] <dvrr> popey [09:59] <dvrr> failed to load session gnome classic vnc cerver [09:59] <MooDoo> sorry can't see so bright.... [10:00] <mungbean> holidays are coming... [10:00] <popey> dvrr: ? [10:00] <mungbean> MooDoo is having a near death experience [10:00] <MooDoo> glad i'm on hols in a few weeks. [10:00] <AlanBell> !rat this weekend \o/ [10:00] <lubotu3> AlanBell: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:00] <mungbean> me too, but i'm not glad that summer has ended [10:00] <AlanBell> !rat | this weekend \o/ [10:00] <lubotu3> this weekend \o/: The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. 21st September 2013, Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ [10:01] <mungbean> what sort of train? [10:01] <MooDoo> I might have to plan for this event next year [10:01] <MooDoo> steam train [10:01] <AlanBell> mungbean: a choo choo train [10:01] <mungbean> woo [10:01] <popey> choo choo indeed [10:03] <mungbean> waiting for the day i have a house big enough to buy a hornby set [10:03] <dvrr> popey:failed to load session gnome classic vnc cerver [10:03] <davmor2> Morning all [10:05] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 [10:31] <mungbean> is there another way to read yahoo groups that doesn't invole their hideously slow interface? [10:31] <mungbean> worst thing ever [10:33] <popey> Nearly noodles time! [10:34] <MartijnVdS> His Noodliness? [10:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: how's life, how's photography? [10:37] <MooDoo> davmor2: good, it's going ok, got a few shoots lined up, but really need to thinking about career changes, so it's a little on the back burner [10:37] <popey> \o/ career changes [10:37] <popey> nearly 2 years since I logged into a SAP system \o/ [10:41] <MooDoo> still want to work in the same sorta thing support/team leader but 7 years is a long time :d [10:41] <popey> indeed! [10:42] <mungbean> scary that i'm not even half way through my career yet [10:42] <popey> I did SAP for uhm... 14 years [10:42] <popey> 1997-2011 [10:42] <MooDoo> i've been working with computers for 25 years :S [10:42] <MooDoo> make that 22 [10:42] * popey checks [10:43] <MooDoo> popey: you'll remember these, I first did a YTS with IBM :) [10:43] <popey> \o/ 23 [10:43] <MooDoo> lol :) [10:43] <mungbean> when i was at school i aclways thought i'd work for IBM [10:43] <MooDoo> we are around the same age popey :) [10:43] <popey> yeah [10:44] <mungbean> who wears glasses? [10:44] <MooDoo> me [10:44] <mungbean> my eyesight seems ok still [10:44] <popey> nope [10:44] <popey> not had eyes checked for a couple of years [10:44] <mungbean> evxcept for dizzy spells, probably unrelated [10:44] <brobostigon> any opinions on how effective or lack thereof, automatic screen brightness adjustment has on battery life? [10:45] <mungbean> brobostigon: it certainly eats faster than permanently low, but thats stating the obvious [10:45] <mungbean> but is noticeable [10:45] <MartijnVdS> Auto brightness is a LOT better than always-full though [10:45] <MartijnVdS> or always-middle [10:45] <brobostigon> mungbean: quite. [10:45] <popey> i am not so sure [10:45] <mungbean> i use it for convenience [10:46] <popey> when i see the computer dim i nudge the mouse to wake it, instinctively [10:46] <popey> so making it worse ☻ [10:46] <MooDoo> i always use full brightness, then again I don't really use my laptop unplugged [10:46] <mungbean> also, the lowest brightness on auto brightness, is not as dim as manual lowest brightness [10:46] <brobostigon> i havent used it, but my gf asked me about it last night, and i thought, i may aswell ask. [10:46] <mungbean> oh woops i was talking about phones [10:47] <mungbean> my laptop one doesn't seem to work [10:47] <MooDoo> I always seem to login then have to up the brightness [10:48] <brobostigon> ok, thank you everyone, [10:48] <mungbean> i had to move the bongo.ogg file recently so disable the greeting bongos :( [10:48] <mungbean> bug is on launchpad - cannot disable it [10:49] <popey> can't recall last time I heard it [10:50] <popey> surely you can uninstall the sound theme? [10:51] <mungbean> maybe. it's a shared machine and the bongoes would end up at full volume since the mute setting wasn't remembered for the lightdm page [10:52] <popey> ubuntu-sounds is the package [11:58] <mungbean> the doctors surgery won't vaccinate my son because the sessions are only in the afternoon when he has pre-school [11:58] <mungbean> nice [11:59] <dvrr> popey: [11:59] <popey> dvrr: ? [11:59] <dvrr> i have small problem [11:59] <popey> mungbean: can't you take him out of pre-school for the vacc? [12:00] <mungbean> its gonna be his first week [12:00] <mungbean> so rather disruptive [12:00] <popey> my son had a hospital appointment on his first week [12:00] <mungbean> the vaccination is an oral spray , and is rather expensive. so i suspect their inflexibility will keep costs down [12:01] <mungbean> in the short term of course [12:12] <directhex> my son had all vaccinations to date in his own home, carried out by a team of 3 [12:19] <mungbean> wow [12:20] <mungbean> that doesn't sound like the UK [12:20] <directhex> all it cost us was a few vials of human blood [12:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Our kids' vaccinations were all done at the local GP surgery... 5mins walk from our house. [12:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> And paid for by the NHS [12:25] <mungbean> http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/15/not-funny-creepy-clown-lingers-on-streets-of-northampton-in-middle-of-the-night-4012455/ [12:26] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: hahaha :) [12:28] <mungbean> tesco are releasing an android tablet. [12:28] <MartijnVdS> so they can target ads better? [12:28] <mungbean> tie in with blinkbox etc [12:29] <mungbean> predicted price is £99 [12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> My 9 yr old has just gathered enough dough to buy a Nexus 7... [12:31] * TheOpenSourcerer slightly envious as I have an original Galaxy Tab 10.1 [12:32] <mungbean> my mrs has a galaxy tab (1 or 2, unsure), and v nice indeed [12:32] <mungbean> except for the oily patch on teh screen [12:32] <popey> sophie saved up for an ipod touch [12:32] <popey> we got her an iphone 4 in the end, as a friend was getting rid of it [12:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Monty wanted 16G and moar screen that the Nexus 4... [12:34] <popey> yeah, i nearly convinced sophie to have a nexus 4 [12:36] <mungbean> looking at websites for linka modelling, it's like entering an archive.org timewarp [12:36] <mungbean> i forgot web pages used to look like this [12:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungbean: http://www.lingscars.com/ [12:38] <mungbean> ow ow ow [12:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol [12:48] <MartijnVdS> ling-scars? [12:50] <diddledan_> TheOpenSourcerer: full-stop/period. that is all. [12:50] <diddledan_> in other words: you're an evil evil person [12:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> That is a very popular website amazingly. [12:51] <diddledan_> I suppose the question must arise as to why you would frequent such a site? [12:51] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: for the music [12:51] <MartijnVdS> (of course) [12:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> To geta good deal on car leasing presumably [12:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> OMG - Just seen some of popey's music choices.. Hmmm. Boney M. [12:57] <MooDoo> lol [12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUXa4QMCUAAzk7z.png:large [12:58] <popey> I scrolled down to hide some of it [12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha [12:58] <popey> note the A's aren't there [12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Abba? [12:58] <popey> ya [12:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: A*Teens? [12:58] <popey> ya [12:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's OK - I was a paid up fan club member [12:59] <popey> i fail [12:59] <popey> hahah [12:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had posters and everything [12:59] <popey> I am impressed. MTP works better on my nexus 4 running ubuntu than it ever did under android! [12:59] <MartijnVdS> Aqua? [12:59] <popey> no [12:59] <MartijnVdS> Ace of Base? [12:59] <popey> ☻ [12:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: Boney M. is still on there though. [12:59] * MooDoo can't say anything having just puchased the latest 80's albumn :) [13:00] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6119347/ [13:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jackson 5 (eeeww) [13:00] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/4sXUFBP520n3SC2o8bg0TF -- "So 80s it hurts" [13:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Where is Flock of Seagulls? [13:00] <diddledan_> I just bought yesterday a compilation of "100 80's classics" [13:08] <MartijnVdS> so, you want to be hurt by the 80s? :) [13:09] <davmor2> diddledan: had that ages ago :D [13:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Surprised there was no "5 Star" on popey's list either. [13:13] * davmor2 remembers he is a virgin user so has a free premium spotify account and logs in to listen to MartijnVdS so 80's it hurts playlist [13:13] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: hah, my ISP pays for premium spotify as well :) [13:14] <popey> davmor2: virgin users have free spotify?! [13:14] <popey> why am I paying! [13:15] <MartijnVdS> http://store.virginmedia.com/bundles/spotify.html [13:15] <MartijnVdS> ? [13:15] <MartijnVdS> https://support.spotify.com/uk/problems/#!/article/How-do-I-activate-my-Virgin-subscription ? [13:15] <popey> poffft [13:15] <popey> 3 months free? [13:15] <popey> oh, virgin _mobile_ [13:16] <davmor2> popey: I just got via email so clicked on the link :D [13:17] <popey> yeah, just found the mail, 3 months only === Mez_ is now known as Mez [13:33] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: does it hurt yet? :) [13:33] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: no I know tracks that aren't on it and they play in my head all the time, this is quite soothing ;) [13:35] <dwatkins> wow, it really is difficult to explain IRC to people used to only using direct messaging [13:35] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: there's also a 90s list [13:35] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "it's like big group texts", is "Whatsapp" known there? [13:36] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I mean the way that we use it here and in my last job to talk about stuff without everyone necessarily having to read everything [13:36] <dwatkins> e.g. hilighting when you're having a conversation with one person, MartijnVdS [13:36] <diddledan_> dwatkins, I always liked the term "multiplayer notepad" [13:36] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: ah, yeah that can confuse people [13:36] <dwatkins> they seem to think it's disruptive, that you'll constantly have to read the channel and put up with it alerting you to new messages [13:37] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: weird [13:37] <diddledan_> I tend to not take much notice of things in IRC [13:37] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: unless we mention you [13:37] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: exactly, especially as I use IRC here and in various other places all the time ;) [13:37] <diddledan_> I might occasionally look as in just now [13:37] <dwatkins> diddledan_: me neither, unless I'm bored or on the phone ;) [13:37] <dwatkins> ...or want to rant... [13:38] <mungbean> irc = chat room ? [13:38] <MartijnVdS> but..G+ is for rants [13:38] <davmor2> diddledan: I'm pretty sure we should all be offended by the fact that you pay little attention to us ;) [13:38] <diddledan_> IRC = text-mode google hangouts [13:38] <diddledan_> lol [13:38] <dwatkins> mungbean: I mean the concept of having an internal IRC server within a company and having rooms for certain subjects, be they "sales" vs "engineering" or specific applications, products etc. [13:38] <dwatkins> they get the idea of a chat room, just not how it can be useful for work [13:39] <dwatkins> I spent 10 years at a company which uses IRC internally to great effect within the support and engineering departments [13:39] <dwatkins> (granted, sales rarely turned up there) [13:39] <MartijnVdS> sales want lync here [13:39] <MartijnVdS> weird MS people [13:39] <MartijnVdS> MS-using people* [13:40] <davmor2> dwatkins: just tell them, it's the voices in their head on the screen ;) [13:40] <dwatkins> I was really hesitant to use MSN for anything work-related, but I assume Lync has the option of you installing an internal chat server [13:40] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it does, integrates with AD and exchange and everything [13:40] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: closed protocol though [13:40] <dwatkins> davmor2: yeah, sometimes quite literally - I've supported people before for products I barely know, by talking to someone on IRC to get enough info at the time the customer called [13:40] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: (well, SIP-ish, but not quite) [14:02] <mungbean> sales/marketing/numpties tend to ask for product name instead of describing the problem [14:02] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: yeah, exactly [14:03] <mungbean> "we want sharepoint". no you dont [14:09] <MartijnVdS> "But the MS salesman told me I did" [14:11] <Seeker`> irony? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24127999 [14:15] <MooDoo> oh dear === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:32] <popey> any regex people about? [15:33] <popey> in a bash script I need to pluck a string out from a line.. [15:33] <popey> e.g. return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("karmaMachine", "1.0", "StorageDatabase", 1000000); [15:33] <popey> I need to get the name of the database (in this case karmaMachine).. [15:34] <dutchie> $"(\w+)" [15:35] <dutchie> sed -e 's/\("(\w+)"/\1' [15:35] <dutchie> or possibly: sed -e 's/return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync\("(\w+)"/\1' [15:35] <dutchie> oh and put a closing / on [15:36] <popey> heh [15:36] <popey> is this version 0.1? [15:36] <popey> ☻ [15:36] <dutchie> :P === PaulW2U_ is now known as Paulw2U === Paulw2U is now known as PaulW2U [15:37] <popey> can't seem to correct that [15:39] <dutchie> how about: [15:39] <dutchie> grep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/\("(\w+)"/\1/' [15:40] <dutchie> oh the backslashes are the wrong way round [15:40] <dutchie> grep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/("\(\w+$"/\1/' [15:42] <popey> no, it returns the whole line [15:42] <popey> /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.brianrobles204.karma-machine/current/KarmaMachine.qml: return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("karmaMachine", "1.0", "StorageDatabase", 1000000); [15:42] <popey> like that [15:44] <dutchie> ah apparently sed REs are very limited [15:44] <dutchie> grep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/("$[a-zA-Z])"/\1/' [15:44] <dutchie> grep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/("\([a-zA-Z]$"/\1/' [15:45] <popey> same [15:46] <popey> nvm. thanks. I'll play [15:47] <dutchie> sorry i couldn't help more [15:47] <dutchie> you could just try using perl instead of sed [15:48] <SuperMatt> popey: that code club thing seems awesome [15:48] <popey> it is [15:48] <SuperMatt> I wish I could have attended something like that when I was younger [16:02] <bigcalm> You could do so as an adult and help [16:02] <SuperMatt> true true [16:02] <SuperMatt> though I'm not sure I'm actually near any schools at the mo [16:03] <SuperMatt> turns out I am [16:03] <SuperMatt> though I am employed full time, so I wouldn't be able to get to any of those schools before 6.30 [16:04] <bigcalm> Meep, how is it now 5pm? [16:05] <shauno> popey: I'd just be lazy and tokenize it instead, grep return /tmp/popeything | awk -F "\"" '{print $2}' [16:06] <popey> SuperMatt: I have organised with my employer to take time out of my day to do it [16:07] <SuperMatt> I've just looked, there's a couple of schools near where I work that are looking for someone [16:08] <popey> there is also #codeclub ☻ [16:08] <SuperMatt> but man, finishing work at 3 and having to make that time up again, that'd be hard [16:14] <ali1234> regex [16:14] <SuperMatt> I <3 regex [16:14] <popey> shauno: yeah, awk seems to win [16:14] <ali1234> just write a python script instead [16:16] <ali1234> foo.split(',')[2].strip('"') [16:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: well time, for this instance, is this linear thing that we mark to allow it progress, it steadily ticks away and if you don't watch it, it disappears quick than when you do watch it........ === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [16:53] <AlanBell> just had a call from Mercedes about the next service on the car, so we chatted about that, then he asked if I worked for Canonical as I put my Ubuntu.com email address on file :) [16:54] <AlanBell> turns out he was really excited about the Ubuntu Edge phone concept and wants that to be a reality with the saphire screen [16:55] <bigcalm> Nice [17:08] <davmor2> AlanBell: Nice [17:11] <AlanBell> !info goaccess [17:11] <lubotu3> goaccess (source: goaccess): log analyzer and interactive viewer for the Apache Webserver. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:0.5-1 (quantal), package size 42 kB, installed size 136 kB [17:11] <AlanBell> ^^ that is excellent [17:16] <popey> well this is odd. [17:16] <popey> i have a script running on the phone doing an ls of a file [17:16] <popey> it says no such file or directory [17:16] <popey> but if I adb shell into the phone and copy/paste the same ls line it is found [17:16] <popey> make no sense [17:17] <AlanBell> overlay fs? [17:17] <AlanBell> one of them is seeing the underlay [17:17] <popey> hm [17:18] <popey> no,its the home directory [17:18] <popey> /dev/mmcblk0p23 on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered) [17:19] <AlanBell> not permissions and not a particularly freaky filename? [17:20] <popey> Im root in the script and root in adb shell [17:20] <popey> and if I adb shell, I can just copy/paste the echo'ed line out and it works [17:25] <popey> there is a space in the directory name [17:25] <popey> thats what's doing it [17:25] <popey> I escaped it in the script though [17:26] <popey> ls: cannot access /home/phablet/.local/share/Qt\ Project/QtQmlViewer: No such file or directory [17:26] <popey> yet.. [17:26] <popey> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /home/phablet/.local/share/Qt\ Project/QtQmlViewer [17:26] <popey> BeruBookSettings.db QML ubuntu-tasks.db [17:26] <popey> CNotesDatabase.db memories-storage.db [17:28] <popey> fixed by judicious use of quotes [18:07] <ali1234> popey: escaping is different inside scripts [18:08] <ali1234> eg: al@al-desktop:~$ ls does\ not\ exist [18:08] <ali1234> ls: cannot access does not exist: No such file or directory [18:08] <ali1234> notice you don't see the escapes on the second line [18:46] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS, are you watching the game? [21:12] <brobostigon> that was weird, jimmy nail was just singing with sting on jools holland. [21:38] <shauno> jimmy nail? the crocodile shoes dude? haven't seen that name for eons [21:41] <diddledan> who's so hardcore they use awesome (http://awesome.naquadah.org/) or xmonad (http://xmonad.org/)? [21:41] <diddledan> (I'm thinking about it) [21:41] <ali1234> nope. [21:41] <ali1234> deliberately using arcane/complicated tools doesn't make you "hardcore", sorry [21:42] <diddledan> they're only arcane/complicated from a mouse-first perspective [21:44] <diddledan> maybe that should read mouse-only? [21:44] <ali1234> arcane, "understood only by a few" [21:44] <diddledan> see even if I were to use a mouse I still feel I'd benefit from some of the stuff they provide [21:45] <ali1234> they both literally fit that definition [21:47] <diddledan> this looks amazing: http://awesome.naquadah.org/images/6mon.medium.png :-p [21:47] <diddledan> I need moar monitors [21:49] <shauno> doesn't using 6 monitors prove that your window manager isn't effective? [21:51] <diddledan> erm, I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion - moar monitors means more simultaneously visible - a window manager generically hides stuff when there's no more room [21:51] <ali1234> yes [21:51] <diddledan> being able to see things isn't a drawback [21:51] <ali1234> more likely it proves you don't know how to use your window manager [21:52] <ali1234> which is quite likely to happen when you use something that is designed to be as complicated as possible [21:59] <shauno> I just figure if you find neck strain preferable to window switching, then window switching is presenting far too high a barrier [22:27] <ali1234> right. you can only really see detail in an area the size of your outstretched hand anyway [22:28] <ali1234> if you have 6 monitors like that all you've done is paid a massive amount of money for what is as useful as 5 flashing lights to indicate activity in a window you;re not looking at [22:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: while it's true, even with someone who is accustomed to serious multitasking like me, I can only concentrate on two, maybe 3, simultaniously, what multimonitor does allow you to do is to "time share" more effectively [22:35] <Azelphur> for example, I can quite easily keep up with the chatter on 30 or so channels if I want, because doing so involves no clicking or interaction with the computer whatsoever [22:36] <Azelphur> the moral being, no it's not simultaneous, it's just that having that much data on the screen allows you to task switch so fast that it might as well be [22:40] <diddledan> thankyou Azelphur that explains better than I managed [22:40] <Azelphur> diddledan: hehe, I'm a quad monitor user :) [22:40] <Azelphur> get asked that sorta stuff a lot [22:40] <diddledan> I'm a quad-monitor wannabe :-p [22:41] <Azelphur> diddledan: if you decide to be a quad-monitor doabee, check out the ebay 2560x1440 korean monitors [22:41] <Azelphur> they are cheap as hell, use the same decent panels as the apple monitors do, and are generally awesome, and cost hardly anything. [22:41] <diddledan> the closest I've got is two laptops and two monitors on my desktop using synergy+ [22:42] <Azelphur> tis how I started :) [22:45] <shauno> I have three at work, and it feels great to leave them there :/ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away

[00:08] :-p [07:23] morning all [07:25] \o [07:37] * AlanBell sees that someone has been using exceptionalemails.com \o/ [07:41] AlanBell: Could you add a (useful) ? My IRC robot on another network doesn't like title-less pages ;) [07:42] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: (it works fine, but it says "[ No title. ]") [07:42] <MartijnVdS> hmm.. it HAS a title [07:42] <MartijnVdS> seems like I have to "educate" my bot [07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> typo in the FAQ AlanBell "you will only get alerts you have asket for. " [07:44] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: erm, yeah, looks fine to me, but let me know if something is wrong with it [07:44] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: fixed [07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Although have to say "asket" sounds quite a nice word... [07:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: nah apparently $bot is confused by HTML5 [07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Should link to github here I think: "The code for the site is available on GitHub under the AGPL3 licence"... [07:47] <AlanBell> linked it now [07:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> No mention of Libertus Solutions anywhere? Deliberate? [07:49] <AlanBell> erm, that was in the footer [07:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> The sign up box would look nicer if there was a bit of padding. [07:49] <AlanBell> where the +1 button was for a bit, until I deleted that . . . and everything else in the footer [07:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol [07:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> And the login box [07:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> So the inputs and labels line up with the headings [07:51] <AlanBell> yeah, I will look up the bootstrapish way to do that [07:56] <AlanBell> padding fixed, I was missing the panel-body div [07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D === _Dave2_ is now known as Dave2 [08:15] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :) [08:16] <MooDoo> morning morning [08:17] <SuperMatt> morning [08:17] <mungbean> the irc dawn chorus [08:19] <DJones> Should that be the IRC yawn chorus :) [08:19] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks of Bagpuss [08:19] <mungbean> i wasn't until i got married that i realised i do a massive wookiee yawn when i wake up each day [08:22] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy US Constitution Day! :-D [08:23] <MooDoo> morning james [08:28] <DJones> JamesTait: I read that as Constipation day, I wondered if it was Will Smith's new film [08:29] <JamesTait> I don't think there's be anything happy about that, DJones. ;) [08:29] <DJones> Heh [08:29] <dutchie> morning [08:31] <mungbean> 1991 – The first version of the Linux kernel (0.01) is released to the Internet. [08:32] <mungbean> 17 september according to wikipedia [08:32] <MooDoo> DJones: i wouldn't watch it, it's sh** :) [08:33] <mungbean> MooDoo: its quite slow moving [08:34] <MooDoo> mungbean: he just needs to get a move on and push it out. [08:34] <mungbean> this is where the fact i learned off reddit helps [08:35] <mungbean> probably more of a pub chat though [08:37] <DJones> Anyway, Its a new movie, It hasn't come out yet [08:37] <DJones> And on that note, I'll leave that conversation behind [08:38] <DJones> mungbean: Went down and picked that puppy up on Saturday [08:41] <mungbean> DJones: cool. is it still a puppy? [08:43] <DJones> Yep This was his first meeting with our dog this morning http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vkEkgtIjgN0 [08:45] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITS-ALTAIR-8800-Rare-Museum-Condition-Computer-Intel-C8080A-CPU-S-223399-/151104111148? [08:45] <popey> zoiks [08:52] <bigcalm> popey: tempted? [08:52] <bigcalm> I bet Ron from Wolves LUG would love it [08:53] <AlanBell> "but does it run Ubuntu?" "Imagine a beowulf cluster of . ." etc. etc. [08:53] <popey> no, i was tempted by something else they had for sale [08:56] <bigcalm> AlanBell: it's weird that the Beowulf comment is still used [08:57] <MooDoo> bigcalm: why wierd? just coz it's a old term? [08:58] <bigcalm> MooDoo: just surprised that it's still used. Only relevant to those of us who knew of it in the late 90s / early 2000s [08:58] <popey> it's a meme, memes often outlive their useful life [08:59] <bigcalm> Best thing since sliced bread? [09:00] <AlanBell> bigcalm: it is a bit of an "I am old in internet years" kind of phrase [09:00] <popey> I am 12 and what is this. [09:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: yus [09:00] <mungbean> have they stopped doing those stupid memes on slashdot yet? [09:01] <AlanBell> first post!!11! [09:01] <mungbean> in soviet russia/beowulf/etc [09:01] <bigcalm> I wouldn't know. Haven't looked at /. since the early 2000s :) [09:01] <mungbean> i realised i've stopped reading stuff that i used to read [09:01] <mungbean> and haven't replaced it with anything else [09:01] <bigcalm> Don't read the comments! [09:02] <dwatkins> never read the comments [09:02] <AlanBell> wonder if http://exceptionalemails.com could withstand a slashdotting. I suspect it probably could. [09:02] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Microsoft-Windows-3-1-Operating-System-5-1-4-Disk-Package-NIB-Never-opened-/151084863909?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232d5c11a5 -- about the same price as Windows 8 Retail 8-) [09:02] <bigcalm> AlanBell: shameless plug :) [09:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I've already sent it to a few people who might find it useful :) [09:02] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: and the same functionality? ;) [09:02] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yup ;) [09:02] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Windows 3.1, so yes [09:03] <bigcalm> I do hope nobody brings a laptop to the RAT. Phones are expected. Not sure about tablets though [09:03] <AlanBell> wonder if popey will bring a battery powered remotely operateable webcam [09:03] * bigcalm expects popey to be pimping Ubuntu Touch ;) [09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: is *always* pimping something ;-) [09:05] <popey> AlanBell: haha maybe [09:07] <popey> will AlanBell have a device I can tether to? [09:08] <AlanBell> popey: sure [09:09] <brobostigon> good morning everyone, [09:10] * TheOpenSourcerer will be in Italy and expecting to see some posts on twitter/G+ [09:10] <popey> not sure how we could get images out of the camera to the web though [09:10] <bigcalm> There will be plenty of photos :) [09:10] <popey> i have a crontab which wgets from my webcam at home [09:10] <popey> if you had a fixed IP or dynamic dns hostname on your phone we could do the same [09:11] <bigcalm> That could be arranged [09:11] <AlanBell> the camera does ddns, however I think the phone might get a nat IP address [09:11] <bigcalm> Yep [09:11] <bigcalm> Would need to relay it to another host I think [09:12] <popey> hm [09:12] <popey> unless your phone does upnp ☻ === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:12] <AlanBell> well I don't think the network does it's bit of upnp [09:13] <Monotoko> anyone want to help me with some terrible perl code that any perl programmer would probably murder me for? [09:13] <popey> bigcalm loves perl [09:13] * bigcalm hisses at popey [09:13] <Monotoko> bigcalm will probably kill me then [09:13] <Monotoko> :P === scott is now known as Guest65323 [09:14] <Monotoko> basically this works when I don't send the email, when I add the sendmail line it fails saying no recepiants: http://pastebin.com/F0maJWZ4 [09:14] <AlanBell> popey: my ssh client on the phone can do port forwarding, so I can probably forward a port from the camera to one of my servers [09:14] <Monotoko> even though I know there's a value in Emails[1] [09:15] <bigcalm> Monotoko: I haven't used perl in anger for a very long time. Somebody else will be of better help I'm sure [09:15] <Monotoko> bigcalm: no worries :p I understand the anger [09:15] <Monotoko> I daren't go to #perl to ask because they will just slaughter me for the shoddy code :( [09:17] * popey points Monotoko at MartijnVdS ☻ [09:17] <popey> He's a Perlvert. [09:17] <bigcalm> Some channels are more polite than others. Never go to #perl on efnet [09:17] <bigcalm> Or on dalnet [09:17] <Monotoko> ohh lord I hate dalnet... [09:26] <Monotoko> ahhh #perl was actually helpful \o/ [09:27] <SuperMatt> /o\ [09:27] <MartijnVdS> hmmm? :) [09:28] <MartijnVdS> I'd try #london.pm on irc.perl.org for Perl questions [09:43] <mungbean> wow, gta5 gameplay looks slick [09:43] <dvrr> Hiiiiii [09:44] <mungbean> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2013/sep/17/gta-v-first-heist-playthrough-video [09:51] <dvrr> MooDoo [09:54] <diddledan_> dvrr, moodoo to yoo too :-p [09:54] <diddledan_> (I know MooDoo is a person, I'm just being facetious) [09:55] <mungbean> poor MooDoo , his screen must be lighting up like a chrimstas tree [09:55] <diddledan_> :-) [09:56] <dvrr> i have problem vnc server configuration please help me [09:58] <dvrr> popey [09:59] <dvrr> failed to load session gnome classic vnc cerver [09:59] <MooDoo> sorry can't see so bright.... [10:00] <mungbean> holidays are coming... [10:00] <popey> dvrr: ? [10:00] <mungbean> MooDoo is having a near death experience [10:00] <MooDoo> glad i'm on hols in a few weeks. [10:00] <AlanBell> !rat this weekend \o/ [10:00] <lubotu3> AlanBell: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:00] <mungbean> me too, but i'm not glad that summer has ended [10:00] <AlanBell> !rat | this weekend \o/ [10:00] <lubotu3> this weekend \o/: The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. 21st September 2013, Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ [10:01] <mungbean> what sort of train? [10:01] <MooDoo> I might have to plan for this event next year [10:01] <MooDoo> steam train [10:01] <AlanBell> mungbean: a choo choo train [10:01] <mungbean> woo [10:01] <popey> choo choo indeed [10:03] <mungbean> waiting for the day i have a house big enough to buy a hornby set [10:03] <dvrr> popey:failed to load session gnome classic vnc cerver [10:03] <davmor2> Morning all [10:05] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 [10:31] <mungbean> is there another way to read yahoo groups that doesn't invole their hideously slow interface? [10:31] <mungbean> worst thing ever [10:33] <popey> Nearly noodles time! [10:34] <MartijnVdS> His Noodliness? [10:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: how's life, how's photography? [10:37] <MooDoo> davmor2: good, it's going ok, got a few shoots lined up, but really need to thinking about career changes, so it's a little on the back burner [10:37] <popey> \o/ career changes [10:37] <popey> nearly 2 years since I logged into a SAP system \o/ [10:41] <MooDoo> still want to work in the same sorta thing support/team leader but 7 years is a long time :d [10:41] <popey> indeed! [10:42] <mungbean> scary that i'm not even half way through my career yet [10:42] <popey> I did SAP for uhm... 14 years [10:42] <popey> 1997-2011 [10:42] <MooDoo> i've been working with computers for 25 years :S [10:42] <MooDoo> make that 22 [10:42] * popey checks [10:43] <MooDoo> popey: you'll remember these, I first did a YTS with IBM :) [10:43] <popey> \o/ 23 [10:43] <MooDoo> lol :) [10:43] <mungbean> when i was at school i aclways thought i'd work for IBM [10:43] <MooDoo> we are around the same age popey :) [10:43] <popey> yeah [10:44] <mungbean> who wears glasses? [10:44] <MooDoo> me [10:44] <mungbean> my eyesight seems ok still [10:44] <popey> nope [10:44] <popey> not had eyes checked for a couple of years [10:44] <mungbean> evxcept for dizzy spells, probably unrelated [10:44] <brobostigon> any opinions on how effective or lack thereof, automatic screen brightness adjustment has on battery life? [10:45] <mungbean> brobostigon: it certainly eats faster than permanently low, but thats stating the obvious [10:45] <mungbean> but is noticeable [10:45] <MartijnVdS> Auto brightness is a LOT better than always-full though [10:45] <MartijnVdS> or always-middle [10:45] <brobostigon> mungbean: quite. [10:45] <popey> i am not so sure [10:45] <mungbean> i use it for convenience [10:46] <popey> when i see the computer dim i nudge the mouse to wake it, instinctively [10:46] <popey> so making it worse ☻ [10:46] <MooDoo> i always use full brightness, then again I don't really use my laptop unplugged [10:46] <mungbean> also, the lowest brightness on auto brightness, is not as dim as manual lowest brightness [10:46] <brobostigon> i havent used it, but my gf asked me about it last night, and i thought, i may aswell ask. [10:46] <mungbean> oh woops i was talking about phones [10:47] <mungbean> my laptop one doesn't seem to work [10:47] <MooDoo> I always seem to login then have to up the brightness [10:48] <brobostigon> ok, thank you everyone, [10:48] <mungbean> i had to move the bongo.ogg file recently so disable the greeting bongos :( [10:48] <mungbean> bug is on launchpad - cannot disable it [10:49] <popey> can't recall last time I heard it [10:50] <popey> surely you can uninstall the sound theme? [10:51] <mungbean> maybe. it's a shared machine and the bongoes would end up at full volume since the mute setting wasn't remembered for the lightdm page [10:52] <popey> ubuntu-sounds is the package [11:58] <mungbean> the doctors surgery won't vaccinate my son because the sessions are only in the afternoon when he has pre-school [11:58] <mungbean> nice [11:59] <dvrr> popey: [11:59] <popey> dvrr: ? [11:59] <dvrr> i have small problem [11:59] <popey> mungbean: can't you take him out of pre-school for the vacc? [12:00] <mungbean> its gonna be his first week [12:00] <mungbean> so rather disruptive [12:00] <popey> my son had a hospital appointment on his first week [12:00] <mungbean> the vaccination is an oral spray , and is rather expensive. so i suspect their inflexibility will keep costs down [12:01] <mungbean> in the short term of course [12:12] <directhex> my son had all vaccinations to date in his own home, carried out by a team of 3 [12:19] <mungbean> wow [12:20] <mungbean> that doesn't sound like the UK [12:20] <directhex> all it cost us was a few vials of human blood [12:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Our kids' vaccinations were all done at the local GP surgery... 5mins walk from our house. [12:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> And paid for by the NHS [12:25] <mungbean> http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/15/not-funny-creepy-clown-lingers-on-streets-of-northampton-in-middle-of-the-night-4012455/ [12:26] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: hahaha :) [12:28] <mungbean> tesco are releasing an android tablet. [12:28] <MartijnVdS> so they can target ads better? [12:28] <mungbean> tie in with blinkbox etc [12:29] <mungbean> predicted price is £99 [12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> My 9 yr old has just gathered enough dough to buy a Nexus 7... [12:31] * TheOpenSourcerer slightly envious as I have an original Galaxy Tab 10.1 [12:32] <mungbean> my mrs has a galaxy tab (1 or 2, unsure), and v nice indeed [12:32] <mungbean> except for the oily patch on teh screen [12:32] <popey> sophie saved up for an ipod touch [12:32] <popey> we got her an iphone 4 in the end, as a friend was getting rid of it [12:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Monty wanted 16G and moar screen that the Nexus 4... [12:34] <popey> yeah, i nearly convinced sophie to have a nexus 4 [12:36] <mungbean> looking at websites for linka modelling, it's like entering an archive.org timewarp [12:36] <mungbean> i forgot web pages used to look like this [12:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungbean: http://www.lingscars.com/ [12:38] <mungbean> ow ow ow [12:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol [12:48] <MartijnVdS> ling-scars? [12:50] <diddledan_> TheOpenSourcerer: full-stop/period. that is all. [12:50] <diddledan_> in other words: you're an evil evil person [12:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> That is a very popular website amazingly. [12:51] <diddledan_> I suppose the question must arise as to why you would frequent such a site? [12:51] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: for the music [12:51] <MartijnVdS> (of course) [12:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> To geta good deal on car leasing presumably [12:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> OMG - Just seen some of popey's music choices.. Hmmm. Boney M. [12:57] <MooDoo> lol [12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUXa4QMCUAAzk7z.png:large [12:58] <popey> I scrolled down to hide some of it [12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha [12:58] <popey> note the A's aren't there [12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Abba? [12:58] <popey> ya [12:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: A*Teens? [12:58] <popey> ya [12:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's OK - I was a paid up fan club member [12:59] <popey> i fail [12:59] <popey> hahah [12:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had posters and everything [12:59] <popey> I am impressed. MTP works better on my nexus 4 running ubuntu than it ever did under android! [12:59] <MartijnVdS> Aqua? [12:59] <popey> no [12:59] <MartijnVdS> Ace of Base? [12:59] <popey> ☻ [12:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: Boney M. is still on there though. [12:59] * MooDoo can't say anything having just puchased the latest 80's albumn :) [13:00] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6119347/ [13:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jackson 5 (eeeww) [13:00] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/4sXUFBP520n3SC2o8bg0TF -- "So 80s it hurts" [13:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Where is Flock of Seagulls? [13:00] <diddledan_> I just bought yesterday a compilation of "100 80's classics" [13:08] <MartijnVdS> so, you want to be hurt by the 80s? :) [13:09] <davmor2> diddledan: had that ages ago :D [13:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Surprised there was no "5 Star" on popey's list either. [13:13] * davmor2 remembers he is a virgin user so has a free premium spotify account and logs in to listen to MartijnVdS so 80's it hurts playlist [13:13] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: hah, my ISP pays for premium spotify as well :) [13:14] <popey> davmor2: virgin users have free spotify?! [13:14] <popey> why am I paying! [13:15] <MartijnVdS> http://store.virginmedia.com/bundles/spotify.html [13:15] <MartijnVdS> ? [13:15] <MartijnVdS> https://support.spotify.com/uk/problems/#!/article/How-do-I-activate-my-Virgin-subscription ? [13:15] <popey> poffft [13:15] <popey> 3 months free? [13:15] <popey> oh, virgin _mobile_ [13:16] <davmor2> popey: I just got via email so clicked on the link :D [13:17] <popey> yeah, just found the mail, 3 months only === Mez_ is now known as Mez [13:33] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: does it hurt yet? :) [13:33] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: no I know tracks that aren't on it and they play in my head all the time, this is quite soothing ;) [13:35] <dwatkins> wow, it really is difficult to explain IRC to people used to only using direct messaging [13:35] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: there's also a 90s list [13:35] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "it's like big group texts", is "Whatsapp" known there? [13:36] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I mean the way that we use it here and in my last job to talk about stuff without everyone necessarily having to read everything [13:36] <dwatkins> e.g. hilighting when you're having a conversation with one person, MartijnVdS [13:36] <diddledan_> dwatkins, I always liked the term "multiplayer notepad" [13:36] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: ah, yeah that can confuse people [13:36] <dwatkins> they seem to think it's disruptive, that you'll constantly have to read the channel and put up with it alerting you to new messages [13:37] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: weird [13:37] <diddledan_> I tend to not take much notice of things in IRC [13:37] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: unless we mention you [13:37] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: exactly, especially as I use IRC here and in various other places all the time ;) [13:37] <diddledan_> I might occasionally look as in just now [13:37] <dwatkins> diddledan_: me neither, unless I'm bored or on the phone ;) [13:37] <dwatkins> ...or want to rant... [13:38] <mungbean> irc = chat room ? [13:38] <MartijnVdS> but..G+ is for rants [13:38] <davmor2> diddledan: I'm pretty sure we should all be offended by the fact that you pay little attention to us ;) [13:38] <diddledan_> IRC = text-mode google hangouts [13:38] <diddledan_> lol [13:38] <dwatkins> mungbean: I mean the concept of having an internal IRC server within a company and having rooms for certain subjects, be they "sales" vs "engineering" or specific applications, products etc. [13:38] <dwatkins> they get the idea of a chat room, just not how it can be useful for work [13:39] <dwatkins> I spent 10 years at a company which uses IRC internally to great effect within the support and engineering departments [13:39] <dwatkins> (granted, sales rarely turned up there) [13:39] <MartijnVdS> sales want lync here [13:39] <MartijnVdS> weird MS people [13:39] <MartijnVdS> MS-using people* [13:40] <davmor2> dwatkins: just tell them, it's the voices in their head on the screen ;) [13:40] <dwatkins> I was really hesitant to use MSN for anything work-related, but I assume Lync has the option of you installing an internal chat server [13:40] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it does, integrates with AD and exchange and everything [13:40] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: closed protocol though [13:40] <dwatkins> davmor2: yeah, sometimes quite literally - I've supported people before for products I barely know, by talking to someone on IRC to get enough info at the time the customer called [13:40] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: (well, SIP-ish, but not quite) [14:02] <mungbean> sales/marketing/numpties tend to ask for product name instead of describing the problem [14:02] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: yeah, exactly [14:03] <mungbean> "we want sharepoint". no you dont [14:09] <MartijnVdS> "But the MS salesman told me I did" [14:11] <Seeker`> irony? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24127999 [14:15] <MooDoo> oh dear === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:32] <popey> any regex people about? [15:33] <popey> in a bash script I need to pluck a string out from a line.. [15:33] <popey> e.g. return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("karmaMachine", "1.0", "StorageDatabase", 1000000); [15:33] <popey> I need to get the name of the database (in this case karmaMachine).. [15:34] <dutchie> $"(\w+)" [15:35] <dutchie> sed -e 's/\("(\w+)"/\1' [15:35] <dutchie> or possibly: sed -e 's/return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync\("(\w+)"/\1' [15:35] <dutchie> oh and put a closing / on [15:36] <popey> heh [15:36] <popey> is this version 0.1? [15:36] <popey> ☻ [15:36] <dutchie> :P === PaulW2U_ is now known as Paulw2U === Paulw2U is now known as PaulW2U [15:37] <popey> can't seem to correct that [15:39] <dutchie> how about: [15:39] <dutchie> grep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/\("(\w+)"/\1/' [15:40] <dutchie> oh the backslashes are the wrong way round [15:40] <dutchie> grep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/("\(\w+$"/\1/' [15:42] <popey> no, it returns the whole line [15:42] <popey> /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.brianrobles204.karma-machine/current/KarmaMachine.qml: return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("karmaMachine", "1.0", "StorageDatabase", 1000000); [15:42] <popey> like that [15:44] <dutchie> ah apparently sed REs are very limited [15:44] <dutchie> grep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/("$[a-zA-Z])"/\1/' [15:44] <dutchie> grep 'return LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync' | sed -e 's/("\([a-zA-Z]$"/\1/' [15:45] <popey> same [15:46] <popey> nvm. thanks. I'll play [15:47] <dutchie> sorry i couldn't help more [15:47] <dutchie> you could just try using perl instead of sed [15:48] <SuperMatt> popey: that code club thing seems awesome [15:48] <popey> it is [15:48] <SuperMatt> I wish I could have attended something like that when I was younger [16:02] <bigcalm> You could do so as an adult and help [16:02] <SuperMatt> true true [16:02] <SuperMatt> though I'm not sure I'm actually near any schools at the mo [16:03] <SuperMatt> turns out I am [16:03] <SuperMatt> though I am employed full time, so I wouldn't be able to get to any of those schools before 6.30 [16:04] <bigcalm> Meep, how is it now 5pm? [16:05] <shauno> popey: I'd just be lazy and tokenize it instead, grep return /tmp/popeything | awk -F "\"" '{print $2}' [16:06] <popey> SuperMatt: I have organised with my employer to take time out of my day to do it [16:07] <SuperMatt> I've just looked, there's a couple of schools near where I work that are looking for someone [16:08] <popey> there is also #codeclub ☻ [16:08] <SuperMatt> but man, finishing work at 3 and having to make that time up again, that'd be hard [16:14] <ali1234> regex [16:14] <SuperMatt> I <3 regex [16:14] <popey> shauno: yeah, awk seems to win [16:14] <ali1234> just write a python script instead [16:16] <ali1234> foo.split(',')[2].strip('"') [16:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: well time, for this instance, is this linear thing that we mark to allow it progress, it steadily ticks away and if you don't watch it, it disappears quick than when you do watch it........ === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [16:53] <AlanBell> just had a call from Mercedes about the next service on the car, so we chatted about that, then he asked if I worked for Canonical as I put my Ubuntu.com email address on file :) [16:54] <AlanBell> turns out he was really excited about the Ubuntu Edge phone concept and wants that to be a reality with the saphire screen [16:55] <bigcalm> Nice [17:08] <davmor2> AlanBell: Nice [17:11] <AlanBell> !info goaccess [17:11] <lubotu3> goaccess (source: goaccess): log analyzer and interactive viewer for the Apache Webserver. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:0.5-1 (quantal), package size 42 kB, installed size 136 kB [17:11] <AlanBell> ^^ that is excellent [17:16] <popey> well this is odd. [17:16] <popey> i have a script running on the phone doing an ls of a file [17:16] <popey> it says no such file or directory [17:16] <popey> but if I adb shell into the phone and copy/paste the same ls line it is found [17:16] <popey> make no sense [17:17] <AlanBell> overlay fs? [17:17] <AlanBell> one of them is seeing the underlay [17:17] <popey> hm [17:18] <popey> no,its the home directory [17:18] <popey> /dev/mmcblk0p23 on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered) [17:19] <AlanBell> not permissions and not a particularly freaky filename? [17:20] <popey> Im root in the script and root in adb shell [17:20] <popey> and if I adb shell, I can just copy/paste the echo'ed line out and it works [17:25] <popey> there is a space in the directory name [17:25] <popey> thats what's doing it [17:25] <popey> I escaped it in the script though [17:26] <popey> ls: cannot access /home/phablet/.local/share/Qt\ Project/QtQmlViewer: No such file or directory [17:26] <popey> yet.. [17:26] <popey> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /home/phablet/.local/share/Qt\ Project/QtQmlViewer [17:26] <popey> BeruBookSettings.db QML ubuntu-tasks.db [17:26] <popey> CNotesDatabase.db memories-storage.db [17:28] <popey> fixed by judicious use of quotes [18:07] <ali1234> popey: escaping is different inside scripts [18:08] <ali1234> eg: al@al-desktop:~$ ls does\ not\ exist [18:08] <ali1234> ls: cannot access does not exist: No such file or directory [18:08] <ali1234> notice you don't see the escapes on the second line [18:46] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS, are you watching the game? [21:12] <brobostigon> that was weird, jimmy nail was just singing with sting on jools holland. [21:38] <shauno> jimmy nail? the crocodile shoes dude? haven't seen that name for eons [21:41] <diddledan> who's so hardcore they use awesome (http://awesome.naquadah.org/) or xmonad (http://xmonad.org/)? [21:41] <diddledan> (I'm thinking about it) [21:41] <ali1234> nope. [21:41] <ali1234> deliberately using arcane/complicated tools doesn't make you "hardcore", sorry [21:42] <diddledan> they're only arcane/complicated from a mouse-first perspective [21:44] <diddledan> maybe that should read mouse-only? [21:44] <ali1234> arcane, "understood only by a few" [21:44] <diddledan> see even if I were to use a mouse I still feel I'd benefit from some of the stuff they provide [21:45] <ali1234> they both literally fit that definition [21:47] <diddledan> this looks amazing: http://awesome.naquadah.org/images/6mon.medium.png :-p [21:47] <diddledan> I need moar monitors [21:49] <shauno> doesn't using 6 monitors prove that your window manager isn't effective? [21:51] <diddledan> erm, I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion - moar monitors means more simultaneously visible - a window manager generically hides stuff when there's no more room [21:51] <ali1234> yes [21:51] <diddledan> being able to see things isn't a drawback [21:51] <ali1234> more likely it proves you don't know how to use your window manager [21:52] <ali1234> which is quite likely to happen when you use something that is designed to be as complicated as possible [21:59] <shauno> I just figure if you find neck strain preferable to window switching, then window switching is presenting far too high a barrier [22:27] <ali1234> right. you can only really see detail in an area the size of your outstretched hand anyway [22:28] <ali1234> if you have 6 monitors like that all you've done is paid a massive amount of money for what is as useful as 5 flashing lights to indicate activity in a window you;re not looking at [22:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: while it's true, even with someone who is accustomed to serious multitasking like me, I can only concentrate on two, maybe 3, simultaniously, what multimonitor does allow you to do is to "time share" more effectively [22:35] <Azelphur> for example, I can quite easily keep up with the chatter on 30 or so channels if I want, because doing so involves no clicking or interaction with the computer whatsoever [22:36] <Azelphur> the moral being, no it's not simultaneous, it's just that having that much data on the screen allows you to task switch so fast that it might as well be [22:40] <diddledan> thankyou Azelphur that explains better than I managed [22:40] <Azelphur> diddledan: hehe, I'm a quad monitor user :) [22:40] <Azelphur> get asked that sorta stuff a lot [22:40] <diddledan> I'm a quad-monitor wannabe :-p [22:41] <Azelphur> diddledan: if you decide to be a quad-monitor doabee, check out the ebay 2560x1440 korean monitors [22:41] <Azelphur> they are cheap as hell, use the same decent panels as the apple monitors do, and are generally awesome, and cost hardly anything. [22:41] <diddledan> the closest I've got is two laptops and two monitors on my desktop using synergy+ [22:42] <Azelphur> tis how I started :) [22:45] <shauno> I have three at work, and it feels great to leave them there :/ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away