[07:07] <Noskcaj> Is there anyone who can update the patch on bug 733563 ? I'll do the packaging and debian-ing if needed
[07:08] <Noskcaj> !botsnack
[08:25] <ochosi> hey everyone, bluesabre and i have pushed a fix for bug 1204486 to our PPA, instructions on how to test are in the comment #15 of this bug. everyone running saucy please test! thanks in advance
[08:26] <ochosi> (just mentioning this ahead of the meeting as i'm not sure i'll be able to make it)
[10:27] <knome> ugh, looks like i'm not able to make the meeting either...
[10:39] <ochosi> knome: can you test the greeter though?
[10:40] <ochosi> even a test in raring is useful to some extent
[10:40] <knome> yeah, i can do that
[10:40] <knome> either before or after the meeting
[10:41] <knome> but today, yup
[10:41] <knome> do you consider vbox testing as good as real hardware?
[10:47] <astraljava> I did not give that information to you as to be treated like a guinea pig.
[10:48] <knome> huh?
[10:48] <astraljava> But yeah, sure. I'll report test installations. :)
[10:48] <brainwash> ochosi: what's the deal with the gtk2 greeter? can I use it on my saucy installation?
[10:48] <knome> upgrading my saucy vbox, then adding the ppa
[10:49] <astraljava> Yeah ok, just thought it was good enough for a funny coincidence.
[10:50] <knome> heh, right
[10:50]  * knome is lost with too many queries and stuff to be done
[10:51]  * astraljava wishes he could help... but not really.
[10:51] <knome> i know
[10:51] <knome> i also know how you can help
[10:51] <knome> STOP PM'ing me!
[10:51]  * astraljava sneaks away silently
[10:51] <knome> j/k
[10:51] <ochosi> knome: if you can reproduce the bug in a VM, i guess testing the fix there is ok too
[10:52] <knome> yup
[10:53] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, you can use that too if you want
[10:54] <brainwash> ochosi: ok :)
[12:12] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I did a quick test of bug fix on hardware. looks good. "Unlock" button replaced with "Log In". Session and Language icons on panel work.
[12:15] <jjfrv8> log out is still slow though
[12:15] <knome> i'd assume that's another issue (unfortunately)
[12:16] <knome> wondering if that's related to our slow login bugs :P
[12:18] <jjfrv8> knome, is there still going to be a meeting? I got called into work. I could make it, but under an alias.
[12:36] <knome> i don't know. i'm not able to make the meeting myself.
[13:09] <elfy> ochosi: that lightdm fix works here - I now though have a longer logout time it seems, not got time to check whether that's a real longer or not though at the moment
[13:10] <ochosi> elfy, jjfrv8: the logout time is entirely unrelated
[13:10] <ochosi> that also seems to affect all other *buntus
[13:10] <knome> locking takes me to xscreensaver
[13:10] <ochosi> yeah, light-locker was never uploaded
[13:10] <knome> ok
[13:10] <ochosi> it's possible to test it via a PPA
[13:10] <elfy> ochosi: ok - well for the moment - I am happy to be able to logout :)
[13:10] <ochosi> so hopefully we can have it in T
[13:10] <knome> and yes, the greeter still says "log in" for the locked user as well
[13:11] <knome> everything seems to be working with the patch
[13:11] <knome> except locking
[13:11] <ochosi> well the locking doesn't work via lightdm with xscreensaver anyway
[13:11]  * knome breathes again
[13:11] <ochosi> so it shouldn't say unlock
[13:12] <ochosi> so good to hear that the patch works
[13:13] <elfy> \o/
[13:13] <ochosi> we should get it uploaded asap then
[13:16] <knome> correct
[13:27] <elfy> back later - hope meeting goes ok 
[14:02] <bluesabre> ochosi: if you get a chance to play with cairo-drawing the background, we can fix two bugs in one upload
[14:33] <skellat> knome: I have to head to the local Amish enclave so I won't be at the meeting today.
[14:34] <bluesabre> that's an original excuse ;)
[14:42] <ochosi> indeed
[14:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: i agree, would be good to take a look at the background painting, not sure i can do it today though, kinda busy...
[14:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: that's cool
[14:50] <bluesabre> I might get a chance to look at it myself tonight
[14:50] <bluesabre> and since you're not using nouveau, you can't really test if it fixes the bug
[14:51] <ochosi> well i can theoreticall switch to nouveau again
[14:51] <ochosi> it just breaks suspending
[14:51] <ochosi> which i like to use
[14:54] <bluesabre> :D
[14:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: going to be around for the meeting?
[14:55] <ochosi> it's going to start in 5min or in 1hr5min?
[14:57] <bluesabre> I think 3 minutes
[15:02] <bluesabre> should I kick it off, or are one of the more chair-ly people here?
[15:02] <ochosi> i'd say go ahead
[15:02] <ochosi> i'll be aroundish for at least the first half
[15:02] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 17 15:02:51 2013 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <bluesabre> #chair ochosi
[15:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi
[15:03] <GridCube> :)
[15:03] <bluesabre> who's here?
[15:03] <GridCube> o/
[15:03] <jjfrv8-work> o/
[15:04] <ochosi> o/
[15:04] <bluesabre> hey folks!
[15:04] <bluesabre> #topic Items carried on
[15:05] <bluesabre> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting
[15:05] <bluesabre> #action knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 
[15:05] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week
[15:05] <bluesabre> #action knome to see designing a white-bg t-shirt 
[15:06] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to see designing a white-bg t-shirt
[15:06] <bluesabre> #action mr_pouit uploads the new artwork package later 
[15:06] <meetingology> ACTION: mr_pouit uploads the new artwork package later
[15:06] <bluesabre> #action micahg to review ochosi's gmb patch 
[15:06] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to review ochosi's gmb patch
[15:06] <bluesabre> #action skellat to prepare blog article discussing updating & upgrading for users and why it is okay to do so 
[15:06] <meetingology> ACTION: skellat to prepare blog article discussing updating & upgrading for users and why it is okay to do so
[15:07] <bluesabre> I'm not very good at this :D
[15:08] <GridCube> P: you are doing well
[15:08] <bluesabre> basically copy-pasting knome's script from last time
[15:09] <ochosi> hehe, looks fine to me
[15:09] <bluesabre> #subtopic Strategy Document reviewing
[15:10] <bluesabre> any updates here?
[15:11]  * ochosi wasn't involved
[15:11] <jjfrv8-work> I think the vote has been postponed twice and it doesn't look like we have a quorum today.
[15:11] <bluesabre> looks like it was knome, pleia2, micahg, and possibly jjfrv8-work involved
[15:12] <bluesabre> looks like we'll postpone this for next meeting then
[15:12] <ochosi> yup
[15:12] <bluesabre> #subtopic Ideas for using the project money 
[15:13] <bluesabre> another item where we need knome/pleia2 most likely
[15:13] <bluesabre> but... any thoughts, ideas, etc?
[15:13] <GridCube> no, i think we got the tshirts pretty much
[15:14] <bluesabre> oh, any updates on that?
[15:14]  * bluesabre reads last meeting backlog now
[15:15] <bluesabre> knome had an action item here
[15:16] <bluesabre> so, if nothing else, we'll move on
[15:17] <bluesabre> #topic Team updates
[15:17] <bluesabre> ochosi?
[15:17] <ochosi> ok, for artwork...
[15:17] <ochosi> our themes have seen new releases today
[15:18] <ochosi> exciting news, we re-gained granite support (for elementary-os apps), gtk3.9 support and support for client-side decorations
[15:18] <ochosi> so in case people enable the gnome3.10 ppa our themes will not break
[15:18] <ochosi> i've sent an email to mr_pouit already requesting the upload before UIF
[15:19] <bluesabre> cool, want to add some #infos, and give mrpouit an action item?
[15:22] <ochosi> oh
[15:22] <ochosi> sure
[15:22] <bluesabre> #nick mr_pouit
[15:22] <ochosi> sorry
[15:22] <bluesabre> :D
[15:22] <ochosi> (i'm half-working here)
[15:22] <ochosi> #info our themes have seen new releases today
[15:22] <bluesabre> me too, its cool
[15:22] <ochosi> #info exciting news, we re-gained granite support (for elementary-os apps), gtk3.9 support and support for client-side decorations
[15:23] <ochosi> #action mr_pouit was asked via email to upload the updated shimmer-themes package to Saucy before UIF
[15:23] <meetingology> ACTION: mr_pouit was asked via email to upload the updated shimmer-themes package to Saucy before UIF
[15:23] <bluesabre> sweet
[15:23] <bluesabre> for applications...
[15:23] <bluesabre> #info the latest gmusicbrowser is now in saucy
[15:24] <bluesabre> #info ochosi and I have been working on a lightdm-gtk-greeter fix for lock/login issues, to be uploaded tonight
[15:25] <bluesabre> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1204486
[15:25] <ochosi> #info for those wanting to test the lightdm-gtk-greeter fix, read comment #15 on the bugreport
[15:26] <bluesabre> thanks
[15:26] <bluesabre> GridCube, how's the DA xubuntu-showcase going?
[15:27] <bluesabre> haven't looked at it for a while :)
[15:27] <GridCube> pretty much stalled
[15:27] <bluesabre> :(
[15:28] <GridCube> we cant reach the objectives
[15:28] <GridCube> if we dont start advertising, and we cant start advertising because no one has fullfiled the rules
[15:28] <GridCube> mostly licencies problems 
[15:28] <bluesabre> ah
[15:28] <bluesabre> that's no fun
[15:29] <GridCube> we can get users to change their licences, but we hardly cant get a licence for their desktop backgrounds
[15:29] <GridCube> wich in many cases is central to the destop setting
[15:29] <bluesabre> right
[15:29] <GridCube> so yeah
[15:29] <GridCube> i got a few users to get their permissions and im waiting for knome to have a moment to try and upload the first soon
[15:30] <GridCube> i hope
[15:30] <GridCube> lets see if after that things move at a better pace
[15:30] <GridCube> so
[15:31] <GridCube> #info the xubuntu showcase is doing work but it moves slowly
[15:31] <GridCube> #action knome and GridCube to join and prepare the first few showcases 
[15:31] <meetingology> ACTION: knome and GridCube to join and prepare the first few showcases
[15:31] <bluesabre> cool, hoping to see some momentum on that :)
[15:31] <GridCube> :)
[15:31] <bluesabre> does anybody else have updates?
[15:32] <bluesabre> #topic Announcements
[15:33] <bluesabre> I saw the announcement from last week, congrats jjfrv8-work on the extra responsibilities :)
[15:33] <micahg-work> sorry I'm late
[15:33] <bluesabre> hey micahg-work!
[15:34] <jjfrv8-work> Thanks.
[15:34] <bluesabre> it's okay, we've got myself, ochosi, GridCube, and jjfrv8-work
[15:34] <bluesabre> We're on announcements, but if you've got any updates, :)
[15:35] <micahg-work> nope, ochosi's gmb patch still needs uploading (which I should get to tonight)
[15:35] <bluesabre> oh, which patch is this?
[15:35] <micahg-work> still need to discuss indicators for saucy
[15:35] <micahg-work> albuminfo plugin IIRC
[15:35] <bluesabre> oh cool
[15:37] <micahg-work> unfortunately, that's about all I'll get to before the weekend unless there's something critical
[15:37] <bluesabre> what's the status on the indicators for saucy?  are we considering using the gtk3 wrapper or discussing broken indicators?
[15:37]  * bluesabre is behind on updates
[15:38] <micahg-work> well, I'm not 100% up to date on what's going on
[15:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: are you more up-to-date?
[15:39] <ochosi> well the gtk3 indicators seem stable so far
[15:39] <micahg-work> if we can get the existing indicators working without too much work or risk, I'd rather do that for saucy and try to land the gtk3 indicator stuff when T opens
[15:39] <ochosi> but there hasn't been a release on libxfce4ui or the panel
[15:40] <micahg-work> if we have no choice, we can either drop indicators for saucy or try to get a freeze exception to push the gtk3 stuff
[15:40] <ochosi> imo it doesn't make a huge difference though
[15:40] <ochosi> we also ship random snapshots of abiword :)
[15:40] <bluesabre> :)
[15:40] <bluesabre> micahg-work, have you seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[15:40] <micahg-work> abiword's not a core DE component ;)
[15:41] <micahg-work> bluesabre, yeah, that's what we're discussing I think
[15:41] <micahg-work> can someone please subscribe me
[15:41] <bluesabre> ok, cool
[15:41] <bluesabre> will do now
[15:41] <micahg-work> thanks
[15:41] <micahg-work> ali1234 did a lot of digging for this
[15:41] <micahg-work> or at least this bug is half the puzzle
[15:42] <bluesabre> yeah
[15:42] <ochosi> my personal take is that fixing the soundindicator won't go down without a lot of work
[15:43] <ochosi> at least that's what ali1234's comments on it suggested
[15:43] <micahg-work> right, I don't think porting the indicator is worthwhile
[15:43] <ochosi> so i think pushing new versions for gtk3 support or dropping indicators are the remaining options
[15:43] <micahg-work> so, either there's some way to use the gtk2 dbus service
[15:43] <micahg-work> or one of those 2 options
[15:44] <ochosi> gotta run folks
[15:44] <ochosi> sorry
[15:44] <bluesabre> its cool
[15:44] <bluesabre> any there any other announcements?
[15:45] <bluesabre> alrighty
[15:45] <bluesabre> #topic New and emerging items
[15:45] <bluesabre> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
[15:45] <bluesabre> I think we should postpone this until there are more of us around
[15:46] <micahg-work> well, we have beta 2 next week
[15:46] <bluesabre> ah
[15:46] <bluesabre> thursday?
[15:46] <micahg-work> that's why we had the meeting in the first place
[15:46] <micahg-work> yeah, I think the freeze is Monday for beta 2 now
[15:46] <micahg-work> do we still need docs uploaded?
[15:47] <bluesabre> I'm not sure
[15:49] <micahg-work> jjfrv8-work, are the latest docs in saucy?
[15:49] <jjfrv8-work> They're about 80% complete. I still have some review to do.
[15:50] <micahg-work> doc string freeze is thursday
[15:50] <jjfrv8-work> oops. Looks like I won't make it.
[15:50] <micahg-work> thursday 21:00 UTC, so I'd suggest pushing as far as we can, then finding someone to upload (I won't be around)
[15:51] <micahg-work> jjfrv8-work, maybe talk to the release team and the translators to see if we can get more time then
[15:51] <jjfrv8-work> Ok
[15:51] <micahg-work> we only have 4 weeks until release
[15:52]  * micahg-work won't get to some of his pet projects for the cycle either it seems
[15:52] <bluesabre> Should we schedule a meeting for thursday to try to get a last-minute idea of where we are for beta2?
[15:52] <micahg-work> I won't be around, but feel free, and leave me notes if something needs to be done before Monday (freeze)
[15:52] <jjfrv8-work> I can't make Thursday
[15:54] <bluesabre> you can send updates to the -devel ml before the meeting, we'll pick them up for the meeting
[15:54]  * micahg-work will brb
[15:54] <bluesabre> k
[15:56] <bluesabre> #info next meeting, tentatively scheduled for Thursday, September 19, 1500 UTC
[15:56] <bluesabre> #action knome to change date/time of next meeting as needed
[15:56] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to change date/time of next meeting as needed
[15:56] <bluesabre> :)
[15:57] <bluesabre> we'll go ahead and wrap up, I gotta run
[15:57] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[15:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 17 15:57:39 2013 UTC.  
[15:57] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-09-17-15.02.moin.txt
[15:57] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-09-17-15.02.html
[15:57] <bluesabre> thanks everyone
[15:58] <bluesabre> bbiab
[16:01] <bluesabre> micahg-work, we'll have a new upload ready for lightdm-gtk-greeter tonight, I'll get it ready and subscribe you when its good
[16:04]  * micahg-work is back
[16:04] <micahg-work> bluesabre, ok, if it's quick, I can upload tonight
[16:22] <bluesabre> yeah, should just be a few lines diff
[16:33] <pleia2> bluesabre: thanks for running the meeting :)
[16:40] <bluesabre> pleia2: yeah, knome left me little choice ;)
[16:48] <knome> hah
[16:48] <knome> hai.
[16:51] <elfy> thanks for the meeting bluesabre 
[16:51] <knome> probably don't want a meeting for thursday (freezes and stuff) and i can't attend, but i'm fine if people are around and want to go through some things
[16:51] <knome> and yeah, thanks for chairing - you did well
[16:51] <knome> bluesabre, ^
[16:52] <knome> i met jussi (former IRCC member, kubuntu council member) today and got some ideas how to organize the t-shirt stuff
[16:53] <knome> probably not ideal for us, but that's one option
[16:53]  * elfy gets confused with jussi's - I sort of know one 
[16:53] <knome> jussi schultink, "jussi" or "jussi01" in irc
[16:53] <elfy> that one :p
[16:53] <knome> yep
[16:53] <knome> so yeah, i met him IRL today
[16:54] <knome> that's why i couldn't make the meeting... :P
[16:54] <knome> and astraljava too
[16:54] <elfy> nice 
[16:55] <elfy> one day I'll meet someone - I have the upper hand - I know what some of you lot look like :)
[17:00] <knome> hehe
[17:00] <knome> well, just come to finland...
[17:00] <elfy> I know :)
[17:02] <bluesabre> hey knome, elfy
[17:02] <knome> hai bluesabre 
[17:03] <bluesabre> how's it going?
[17:03] <knome> not bad
[17:56] <skellat> jjfrv8: There was an e-mail by Daniel Holbach about the sponsors pool being overflowing.  Robbie Basak just got it down to 52 pending requests.  LP Bug #1207493 remains stuck so we'll need to talk about finding an uploader for Thursday.
[17:57] <skellat> SEE ALSO: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[18:16] <Unit193> GridCube: I have a shot using knome's wallpaper, if you need something with a clear and known license.
[18:17] <GridCube> Unit193, that would help
[18:18] <Unit193> It's really not interesting, but alrighty.  I uploaded it somewhere...
[18:26] <Unit193> GridCube: OK, so you want a window or two open, any preference?  And should I kill my conky config, or do some major blur of it all, or just remove the calendar and blur the IP? :P
[18:26] <GridCube> probaly just the ip
[18:27] <GridCube> the idea is to show a pretty desktop setting with all the fancy stuffs peoples adds to it, not just default xubuntu desktop with adifferent wallaper
[18:27] <GridCube> that is boring
[18:28] <Unit193> Sure, mine isn't too different though, mainly conky which has my calendar in it. :P
[18:29] <GridCube> P: thats different
[18:31] <elfy> licence for the wallpaper is always going to be a stumbling block I think
[18:31] <elfy> I certainly never bother looking
[18:33] <GridCube> no, no one ever does
[18:34] <GridCube> though if its something we *have* to have...
[18:37] <elfy> I understand that GridCube 
[18:37] <elfy> we're likely to be having exactly the same conversations every couple of months :)
[18:37] <GridCube> yes
[18:38] <Unit193> elfy: Yes, I quite agree.
[18:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, how about that keyboard shortcuts overlay?
[18:44] <bluesabre> ha
[18:44] <bluesabre> haha
[18:45] <bluesabre> yeah, maybe for early in the T cycle
[18:45] <bluesabre> but that does remind me
[18:46] <bluesabre> micahg, micahg-work: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/keyboard-shortcuts
[18:46] <bluesabre> not sure if its too late for this now
[18:47] <bluesabre> knome too (though he already approved) ^
[18:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: OK, so it's not even ready for testing?  Alrighty.
[18:49] <skellat> bluesabre: Did you file an FFe bug yet?  Need Docs signoff and a few others before trying to get it in.
[18:49] <bluesabre> skellat: figured as much, I had the merge request in before FF, but it got missed
[18:50] <skellat> Where is the merge?
[18:50] <bluesabre> I'll work on the FFe on that if everyone else agrees to it, or we can wait until later to merge
[18:50] <Unit193> Technically doesn't it fix a bug? ;)
[18:50] <skellat> Ah, but which one?
[18:50] <bluesabre> merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/182352
[18:50] <bluesabre> bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1165266
[18:51] <bluesabre> though it doesn't hit all of the shortcuts requested in that bug
[18:52] <skellat> Hmm
[18:52] <bluesabre> gotta go, bbl
[18:55] <Unit193> GridCube: https://www.dropbox.com/s/msowfigemo517zp/shot.png?m good?
[19:06] <GridCube> Unit193, :)
[19:09] <Unit193> License however you want, and wallpaper is http://temp.knome.fi/.expwall/
[19:09] <knome> not permanent url, please don't link there.
[19:09] <knome> but yep, feel free to use that
[19:10] <Unit193> Sure, just saying where I got it and whatever license that is.
[19:10] <Unit193> knome: I haven't changed it out of rage, so good job1
[19:10] <Unit193> !
[19:10] <knome> lol
[19:10] <knome> ta
[19:30] <GridCube> Unit193, http://gridcube.deviantart.com/art/Unit193-s-Desktop-at-17th-of-September-of-2013-400894406?ga_submit_new=10%253A1379446208
[19:31] <Unit193> Boom.
[19:36] <Unit193> Hopefully that'll help and be something easy to approve.
[19:39] <GridCube> http://fav.me/d6mol0h
[19:40] <Unit193> See?  That's different. ;)
[19:41] <GridCube> P:
[19:41] <GridCube> laters
[21:23] <andrzejr> ali1234, are scroll events working for you in gtk3 indicators?
[21:24] <ali1234> no
[21:24] <andrzejr> I'm seeing some weird issues
[21:24] <ali1234> the problem in indicator-sound is supposed to be fixed now
[21:24] <ali1234> but it still doesn't work
[21:24] <ochosi> hey you two
[21:24] <andrzejr> I've fixed that in git master, so now I have indicator-sound working on 13.04
[21:24] <ochosi> oh
[21:24] <ochosi> interesting
[21:25] <ochosi> maybe i should pull and install again
[21:25] <andrzejr> but on 13.10 I get some weird notification/event loop
[21:25] <andrzejr> xfce4-notifyd flickers continuously and finally crashes
[21:26] <ochosi> andrzejr: works for me
[21:26] <ochosi> (in 13.10)
[21:26] <andrzejr> tested on virtualbox - maybe related
[21:26] <ochosi> so that's fixed it seems
[21:27] <knome> ochosi, robert's online if you want to chat with him
[21:27] <ochosi> works as expected, and as it used to with the gtk2 indicator
[21:27] <ochosi> knome: where?
[21:27] <knome> #ubuntu-release at least
[21:28] <knome> and PM, i suppose :P
[21:28] <ochosi> yeah, found him in -desktop
[21:29] <ochosi> andrzejr: congrats btw, nice to see the scrolling work again!
[21:29] <knome> good good
[21:31] <ochosi> ok, we'll see whether i'll get a reply
[21:31] <ochosi> never caught him on irc so afr
[21:31] <ochosi> far
[21:31] <ochosi> so that'd be a first
[21:31] <knome> hehe
[21:31] <knome> yeah
[21:32] <knome> i already thanked him for chiming in
[21:32] <knome> but i thought you might have further questions or so
[21:32] <ochosi> chiming in?
[21:32] <ochosi> where?
[21:33] <knome> in the bug comments.
[21:33] <knome> little community/link building doesn't hurt
[21:33] <ali1234> andrzejr: works ok for me too
[21:34] <ali1234> andrzejr: have you seen this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glipper/+bug/1203888/
[21:34] <ali1234> it's nothing to do with xfce, but maybe you have some clue for me what is causing it?
[21:38] <ochosi> knome: ok, that was a first now.
[21:39] <knome> :)
[21:39] <ochosi> knome: got some pointers wrt the restart bug, he'll try to look at the others and gave me some logind-scient names
[21:39] <knome> cool
[21:40] <ali1234> ochosi: where is this wiki page for gtk3 indicators?
[21:55] <jjfrv8> skellat, I didn't know the SRU docs had another shot at being uploaded until the final point release next year.
[21:56] <knome> jjfrv8, we can get them to backports, but the main target is the SRU
[21:57] <jjfrv8> So do I need to be doing anything?
[21:57] <andrzejr> ali1234, I guess you are not seeing that event loop issue, are you. Do you have a virtualbox vm to try?
[21:57] <knome> i don't think that's a high priority issue
[21:57] <ali1234> andrzejr: yes i do, but it is completely default at the moment
[21:58] <jjfrv8> knome, I also didn't realize that b2 was my deadline for the saucy docs.
[21:58] <knome> per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule, doc freeze is september 19
[21:59] <jjfrv8> I guess I'm going to get fired already :P
[21:59] <knome> nah
[21:59] <knome> we can get exceptions, but we should of course try to move as quickly as possible
[21:59] <knome> another thing we need to resolve is who is going to upload that new package
[21:59] <jjfrv8> I think I might be able to finish up before then.
[22:00] <knome> good to hear that, but if you don't, don't lose your sleep
[22:00] <ali1234> andrzejr: i want to update this wiki page as i'm installing everything in the VM, but i don't know the address of it, when ochosi comes back and tells me where it is then i'll do both things at once
[22:00] <jjfrv8> would the uploading normally be my responsibility. I realize I don't have the rights yet.
[22:01] <knome> jjfrv8, no, not really
[22:01] <knome> jjfrv8, note that we are talking about a different from uploading the branch in launchpad
[22:02] <knome> jjfrv8, even i don't have upload rights
[22:03] <jjfrv8> well I'll try to get you the last batch at least in time for you to do the merges.
[22:03] <knome> sure, that's a quick task
[22:04] <knome> just tell me if there's something i can help with
[22:05] <jjfrv8> thanks. will do.
[22:05] <knome> also re: your comment on the last MP, if we change things after docfreeze/other freezes, those freeze exceptions imply doc changes, so you don't have to worry about guessing things
[22:05] <knome> we can change the docs then
[22:05] <ochosi> ali1234: sry for the daily, coming up shortly
[22:05] <ochosi> i have really sucky connectivity here atm :(
[22:05] <ochosi> always disconnects me again
[22:05] <knome> of course, in such case, developers should be in touch with you to let you know a doc update might be needed
[22:07] <jjfrv8> ah, ok.
[22:08] <ochosi> ali1234: right now, a very rough page has been started here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators
[22:08] <ali1234> ochosi: thanks. i'll fill it in with all information as i go
[22:09] <knome> jjfrv8, ^ you might want to follow that spec as well
[22:09] <knome> ochosi, make sure you notify jjfrv8 if things start to roll towards oops-let's-upload-this-for-saucy-anyway, aka paperwork-for-ochosi
[22:09] <knome> (or -micahg)
[22:16] <jjfrv8> bbl
[22:17] <ochosi> ali1234: thank you!
[22:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: i would also try to sell off the missing kb-shortcuts as bugfix
[22:22] <ochosi> and it's a trivial patch in the end
[22:23] <ochosi> not problematic at all
[22:28] <andrzejr> ali1234, I've been looking into that "child-added" issue. That's a signal of DbusmenuMenuitem
[23:07] <ali1234> andrzejr: in virtualbox it doesn't work properly for me...
[23:08] <ali1234> it says it is loading the sound indicator but it doesn't show on the panel
[23:11] <ali1234> weird
[23:12] <ali1234> perhaps due to different git versions on the other two needed bits?
[23:12] <knome> ok, i'm off for today
[23:12] <knome> see you all later
[23:12] <knome> nighty
[23:20] <ali1234> looks like i need to reboot then
[23:28] <ali1234> andrzejr: right, rebooted... now i get the weird behaviour outside virtualbox too
[23:28] <ali1234> andrzejr: it looks like something changed in xfce4-panel or libxfce4ui that has broken it
[23:29] <ochosi> ali1234: what weird behavior exactly?
[23:29] <ali1234> no sound indicator shows up at all
[23:30] <ali1234> oh hang on
[23:30] <ali1234> i restarted the panel and now it's there
[23:30] <ali1234> could be a race condition?
[23:30] <ali1234> i dunno what is wrong inside virtualbox
[23:31] <ali1234> i updated the wiki page with the missing libs btw
[23:31] <ochosi> for me sometimes the icon is missing on startup
[23:31] <ochosi> but after restarting the panel, the icon gets shown
[23:32] <ochosi> so it's not really the indicator missing for me
[23:32] <ali1234> yes, same
[23:32] <ali1234> inside virtualbox though it never shows
[23:32] <ochosi> strange
[23:32] <ali1234> a load of others are missing too
[23:32] <ochosi> oh
[23:33] <ochosi> i only use sound, network and power
[23:33] <ochosi> the other two show
[23:33] <ochosi> and messages also always shows
[23:33] <ochosi> g2g to bed, i'll check in tomorrow
[23:33] <ali1234> and cpufreq crashes with null pointer (maybe because it can't access the CPU properly in virtualbox though - i uninstalled it so it wouldn't cause problems anyway)
[23:36] <ali1234> hmm maybe it is because something i did while messing around with that gtk2 indicator bug
[23:37] <ali1234> yes. duh
[23:38] <ali1234> ok it works in virtualbox
[23:45] <skellat> knome jjfrv8 -- A merge proposal for you to sign off on: https://code.launchpad.net/~skellat/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/186181