[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[11:43] <daker> popey: PM ?
[11:45] <popey> daker: hey, sure.
[11:58] <jose> hey popey, mind a quick PM?
[11:59] <popey> sure
[11:59] <popey> any time
[18:56] <bkerensa> cjohnston: your work may get forked :)
[19:15] <cjohnston> bkerensa: ?
[19:15] <bkerensa> cjohnston: your work on summit
[19:15] <cjohnston> for?
[19:15] <bkerensa> Mozilla Summit
[19:15] <bkerensa> ;)
[19:15] <cjohnston> why fork it?
[19:15] <cjohnston> why not just devel upstream
[19:16] <bkerensa> mhall119 encouraged us to use it
[19:16] <cjohnston> right...
[19:16] <cjohnston> but why fork it
[19:17] <bkerensa> cjohnston: the devel would not be useful downstream
[19:17] <cjohnston> what changes would be needed?
[19:18] <bkerensa> cjohnston: I'm certain anything Ubuntu specific
[19:18] <cjohnston> I'm not sure how much there is that's ubuntu specific
[19:18] <bkerensa> also vidyo/bbg integration instead of G+
[19:19] <cjohnston> it doesn't have G+ integration
[19:19] <cjohnston> It's been used for two other conferences
[19:19] <cjohnston> that aren't Ubuntu
[19:20] <bkerensa> cjohnston: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21925/appdev-roundtable-tue/
[19:20] <bkerensa> G+
[19:20] <bkerensa> embedding
[19:21] <cjohnston> Where?
[19:21] <bkerensa> :s
[19:22] <bkerensa> you dont see it
[19:22] <popey> i think he means youtube
[19:22] <cjohnston> nope
[19:22] <cjohnston> it isn't youtube embedding either
[19:22] <cjohnston> its a url field
[19:22] <bkerensa> well that would be changed for instance
[19:22] <cjohnston> To?
[19:22] <bkerensa> Vidyo
[19:22] <bkerensa> or BBG
[19:22] <popey> surely that's just a url?
[19:23] <cjohnston> its still just a url isn't it?
[19:23] <popey> yeah, we paste them in when the conf starts
[19:23] <bkerensa> cjohnston: this would not be a url
[19:23] <mhall119> actually the broadcast URL field assumes it's a youtube link, but htat wouldn't be hard to change
[19:23] <bkerensa> it would be embedding a bit of html5
[19:23] <popey> would be nice for us to have the option to use something other than youtube
[19:24] <mhall119> popey: agreed, maybe teh mozilla folks would be kind enough to send their improvements upstream so we can all benefit
[19:24] <cjohnston> agreed
[19:24] <bkerensa> it wouldnt be improvements more likely just customizations
[19:25] <bkerensa> Persona support
[19:25] <bkerensa> Vidyo for sessions
[19:25] <bkerensa> moz etherpad integration
[19:25] <cjohnston> etherpad is a url field
[19:25] <popey> sounds useful
[19:25] <bkerensa> probably bandcamp support for sessions
[19:25] <cjohnston> broadcast url sounds like it needs a little work, but its still just a url field
[19:25] <bkerensa> this summit were using SHW
[19:26] <bkerensa> SHW and a scattered amount of tools
[19:27] <mhall119> etherpad should just work, Linaro used a separate pad host too
[19:27] <mhall119> yeah, broadcast URL would be the only one I think
[19:27] <mhall119> maybe the webchat would need a tweak to use mozilla's irc network instead of freenode's
[19:28] <mhall119> but all of those could be made as configurable variables, they don't require a fork
[19:28] <cjohnston> +1
[19:29] <bkerensa> mhall119: much of Mozilla's infrastructure is django
[19:29] <mhall119> you should be able to replace Ubuntu SSO with Personas, might need to wrap link generation is a function if they're currently hard-coded to LP links
[19:29] <bkerensa> so integrating it all would be likely
[19:29] <mhall119> bkerensa: I'm still pretty sure you can do all of that without forking
[19:29] <bkerensa> mhall119: forking in that we copy it and make our own repo and make our changes for our use
[19:30] <mhall119> and I'd rather get MPs submitted to summit, instead of us having to pull our changes from your sites if we want ot use them
[19:30] <mhall119> pull *your* changes that is
[19:40] <mhall119> keeps asking me to enter it again/w 68
[19:40] <mhall119> ignore
[19:45] <cjohnston> bkerensa: isn't forking just going to cause more fragmentation?
[19:47] <bkerensa> cjohnston: Seems trivial at best. Any changes we make are not going to be useful to Canonical or other confs that have used Summit
[19:47] <bkerensa> we can just merge in stuff from summit upstream
[19:47] <bkerensa> and keep our changes
[19:47] <cjohnston> bkerensa: seems like there were three people, two of which being summit devs, were saying that everything you mentioned would be useful to upstream
[19:49] <bkerensa> Well I will mention it when we make the repo
[19:49] <bkerensa> cjohnston: its notably several years till our next summit
[19:49] <bkerensa> :)
[19:49] <bkerensa> so things could be different then
[19:49] <bkerensa> but ideally this could be used for our camps too
[19:55] <mhall119> having a viable alternative to Google Hangouts has been something we've wanted since we started using them, so yes that is a change we would wnat upstreamed
[19:58] <bkerensa> mhall119: These apps require substantial financial investment and infrastructure
[19:59] <mhall119> if *only* we has a corporate sponsor and some easy deployment technology....
[20:00] <bkerensa> mhall119: the deployment is as in racks of servers and broadcast equipment and physical officers
[20:00] <bkerensa> officers*
[20:04] <mhall119> you mean home users can't use it?
[20:06] <bkerensa> mhall119: they can but infrastructure is still needed
[20:07] <bkerensa> mhall119: http://www.vidyo.com/products/vidyogateway/
[20:07] <bkerensa> they have hardware that powers the solution
[20:08] <mhall119> is it open source?
[20:08] <bkerensa> mhall119: no
[20:08] <mhall119> well it won't check all the boxes, but might still fix some
[20:08] <bkerensa> BBG is but Vidyo is not
[20:09] <mhall119> can it be self-hosted, or only through their equipment?
[20:09] <mhall119> curious why Moz isn't using WebRTC
[20:10] <bkerensa> mhall119: because Vidyo does a lot more
[20:10] <bkerensa> its corporate level comms
[20:10] <bkerensa> they can do pretty scalable broadcasting between all of their officers
[20:10] <bkerensa> offices*
[20:10] <bkerensa> it also have telephony built in
[20:11] <bkerensa> for those who cant do video/audio streaming
[20:11] <bkerensa> mhall119: Mozilla does support WebRTC though
[20:14] <mhall119> I know they do, which is why it was curious that they weren't going to use it
[20:24] <jo-erlend_> damn. New drama created by royk. I have to fix it by excluding him. It's not something I want to do.
[20:32] <bkerensa> jo-erlend_: royk?
[20:33] <jo-erlend_> yes.