[01:48] <pkh> Just loaded up the beta1, no icons on the screen, 'Install Ubuntu GNOME 13.10' menu item does nothing -- can someone point me to the actual command run from that menu item so I can try to work out what the issue is before putting in a bug report -- or is this known?
[01:55] <pkh> ah, found the bug in launchpad now I know what is actually running
[03:25] <darkxst> pkh, if you mean the ubuiquity --no-sso bug, that was supposed to be fixed
[03:26] <darkxst> oh your using beta1? its best to test with the current daily images!
[04:30] <bjsnider> that's why i've always argued for removing beta/alpha images, because people come in and report bugs that are a week or more old
[04:30] <bjsnider> not realizing they've been fixed
[04:34] <pkh> darkxst: just saw your response, thanks -- I've installed the daily now.
[04:34] <pkh> just wanted to make sure I got enough details to file a report if approprite.
[04:41] <darkxst> bjsnider, yeh, and to make it worse this is always a bunch of fixes queued up that don't make it in until the day after release!
[04:41] <darkxst> s/this/there/
[04:41] <bjsnider> yeah i've seen that too
[04:42] <bjsnider> but at the end of every cycle in the +1 channel there are people coming in using 10-day old spins and reporting bugs that have been fixed in the daily image
[04:42] <bjsnider> i wish the old links were removed
[04:42] <bjsnider> or users were told to use the newer spins
[04:49] <darkxst> I think people assume that the milestone releases are more stable
[05:32] <ricotz> darkxst, add an breaks/replaces to libgweather-3-3 against libgweather-3-6 like for e-d-s
[05:34] <darkxst> I did
[05:34] <darkxst> +Breaks: libgweather-3-3 (>= 3.9)
[05:34] <darkxst> +Replaces: libgweather-3-3 (>= 3.9)
[05:35] <ricotz> ok, it this a last missed soname bump?
[05:35] <darkxst> yes, pretty sure its that last
[05:36] <ricotz> if you arent sure give someone a chance to give it a slight review before you are copy things over
[05:40] <darkxst> ok
[05:41] <darkxst> ricotz, did you have to revert any more commits for the mutter update?
[05:44] <ricotz> one more f96dc97c4f421c38384cd25775f8478ffd309191
[12:49] <Andy80> hi guys
[12:50] <Andy80> I'm trying to understand if this problem is related to GNOME or not. Using Chrome on GNOME, how do you access the "File" menu?
[14:21] <bjsnider> answer to above question: chrome doesn't have a menubar on any operating system. everything is under the tools button.
[14:49] <ricotz> darkxst, i am going to take care of gnome-desktop3 3.9.92
[17:27] <Guest17032> having some issues trying to install gnome-shell and ubuntu-gnome-desktop and now I am getting hit with an unmet dependency.  I cannot purge the install, I cannot purge the PPA, I cannot install any programs until it is fixed.  can anyone help?
[17:29] <Guest17032> annnnnnddd this room is dead
[17:39] <bjsnider> yes
[17:39] <bjsnider> pastebin your console output
[17:43] <bjsnider> Guest17032, pastebin your console output
[17:51] <Guest17032> bjsnider, thanks.  let me do that now
[17:52] <Guest17032> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124904/
[17:53] <bjsnider> Guest17032, you got ia32-libs and so forth on there?
[17:54] <Guest17032> bjsnider, I am not sure.  All I tried to do was apt-get install gnome-shell ubuntu-gnome-desktop and this happened.
[17:55] <Guest17032> the problem is if I try to install anything new it will fail because of that unmet dependency
[17:56] <bjsnider> Guest17032, try sudo apt-get install libgraphite2-3:i386
[17:58] <Guest17032> failed again
[17:58] <Guest17032> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124928/
[18:00] <bjsnider> purge libgraphite2-3:i386
[18:00] <bjsnider> then retry
[18:01] <bjsnider> why have you got the i386 versions?
[18:01] <Guest17032> failed
[18:01] <Guest17032> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124937/
[18:01] <bjsnider> purge libgraphite2-3
[18:01] <bjsnider>  then retry
[18:02] <Guest17032> apparently I don't
[18:02] <Guest17032> ok
[18:02] <Guest17032> failed
[18:02] <Guest17032> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124941/
[18:03] <Guest17032> purge libharfbuzz0a?
[18:04] <bjsnider> if i'm interpreting this right, the debian changelog from libgraphite2-3:i386 is different than libgraphite2-3
[18:05] <bjsnider> which means you may have 2 different sources for that package with different changelogs even though the version number is the same
[18:05] <bjsnider> i still don't know why you have the i386 libs too
[18:06] <Guest17032> I don't either.  that is pretty strange to me
[18:06] <bjsnider> are you using wine or playing games or something?
[18:06] <bjsnider> skype maybe?
[18:06] <Guest17032> skype is installed, I don't use wine though
[18:07] <bjsnider> you can't purge harfbuzz because it will cause a chain reaction that will take your whole operating system out
[18:07] <bjsnider> maybe the i386 lib would be purgable though
[18:07] <Guest17032> I guess I won't be doing that then :D
[18:08] <bjsnider> libharfbuzz0a:i386
[18:08] <Guest17032> should I try it?
[18:08] <bjsnider> try purging that
[18:08] <Guest17032> failed
[18:08] <Guest17032> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124966/
[18:09] <bjsnider> so then try purging the package blocking it
[18:09] <bjsnider> and keep going until you get to the top
[18:09] <Guest17032> only the i386 package?
[18:09] <bjsnider> then you'll know what's causing all this
[18:09] <bjsnider> yes
[18:09] <Guest17032> ok
[18:10] <Guest17032> let me give it a try
[18:10] <Guest17032> brb
[18:10] <bjsnider> it's not going to be a lib
[18:10] <bjsnider> so keep goin gif it's called lib-somthing
[18:12] <Guest17032> drilled down a couple and got this
[18:12] <Guest17032> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124979/
[18:12] <bjsnider> you did try -f install right?
[18:13] <Guest17032> yeah
[18:13] <bjsnider> well, keep going. try gstreamer this time
[18:13] <Guest17032> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124989/
[18:13] <Guest17032> ok
[18:17] <bjsnider> run this: apt-cache policy libgraphite2-3:i386
[18:17] <bjsnider> pastebin result
[18:27] <Guest17032> ok
[18:27] <Guest17032> sorry I had to go AFK
[18:27] <Guest17032> back
[18:27] <Guest17032> let me try that
[18:29] <Guest17032> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6125062/
[18:29] <Guest17032> there you gp
[18:29] <Guest17032> go even
[18:29] <bjsnider> yep, that's the problem
[18:30] <bjsnider> two versions packaged differently by two different ppas
[18:31] <Guest17032> bjsnider, any idea how to correct the issue?
[18:32] <Guest17032> at this point I would like to purge it and just run the install from ubuntu software center
[18:33] <bjsnider> Guest17032, remove the libreoffice ppa and try again
[18:34] <bjsnider> the only difference int he two packages is that the changelog for the gnome3 ppa version is longer
[18:34] <Guest17032> ok I just unchecked it
[18:34] <Guest17032> let me try again
[18:35] <bjsnider> you have to do apt-get update afterwards
[18:35] <Guest17032> just realized that.  :D doing that now
[18:35] <Guest17032> still erroring out
[18:36] <Guest17032> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6125093/
[18:36] <Guest17032> can I rm the changelog?
[18:37] <bjsnider> yes
[18:38] <Guest17032> that worked
[18:39] <bjsnider> i think this problemw ould be avoided with ppa-specific tags in the names, like ~libreofficeppa and ~gnome3ppa for example. then the two packages would be different
[18:40] <Guest17032> on the packages themselves?
[18:40] <Guest17032> I am not seeing gnome 3 in the software center
[18:41] <bjsnider> your apt-cache policy says you have the gnome 3 ppa installed
[18:41] <Guest17032> I do
[18:41] <Guest17032> let me try to install again
[18:42] <Guest17032> whoa
[18:42] <Guest17032> nm
[18:42] <Guest17032> just did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and it looks like it is trying to pull down the gnome stuff now
[18:42] <bjsnider> you had the amd64 lib installed. it carried the changelog shared by both arches, and then when you asked to have the multiarch lib installed, apt picked the other ppa for the multiarch lib
[18:42] <bjsnider> i don't understand why
[18:43] <bjsnider> the version string is exactly the same
[18:43] <bjsnider> and it failed because the changelogs didn't match
[18:43] <Guest17032> it certainly is strange to me.  I had never seen anything like this
[18:43] <Guest17032> yeah
[18:43] <bjsnider> well, i understand why the changelogs didn't match
[18:43] <Guest17032> arch differences, right?
[18:44] <bjsnider> no
[18:44] <Guest17032> oh.  why then? :D
[18:44] <bjsnider> the libreoffice ppa obviously had that package added much later than the gnome 3 ppa
[18:44] <Guest17032> also, I really appreciate your help and you taking the time to explain these things to me.
[18:44] <Guest17032> oh
[18:45] <bjsnider> which ppa did you add first?
[18:45] <bjsnider> libreoffice right?
[18:45] <Guest17032> yeah,  a long time ago
[18:46] <bjsnider> so it picked the gnome3 multiarch lib even though it had the option of picking the libreoffice version
[18:46] <bjsnider> and i don't know the logic behind that
[18:46] <Guest17032> perhaps the gnome version is newer?
[18:46] <bjsnider> your policy output didn't say that
[18:46] <bjsnider> but it didn have the gnome ppa on top
[18:47] <Guest17032> hmm
[18:47] <bjsnider> it did i mean
[18:47] <bjsnider> it's not just that the g in gnome is earlier in the alphabet than the l in libreoffice?
[18:47] <bjsnider> i mean the logic has to be more complicated than that
[18:48] <Guest17032> haha
[18:57] <Guest17032> brb
[19:03] <Guest59946> bjsnider, so I just switched over to a gnome session and the screen was way way way magnified.  like 500% or more
[19:04] <Guest59946> brb again
[19:09] <baphomet1> bjsnider, back again.  any idea why it would be zoomed in like that?
[19:09] <bjsnider> baphomet1, i checked with the experts
[19:09] <bjsnider> "it'll pick the one listed earliest in sources.list"
[19:09] <bjsnider> we use the dir now, so it really was that g comes before l
[19:09] <baphomet1> that is pretty amazing
[19:10] <Joe_Schmo2840> Hey folks
[19:10] <baphomet1> bjsnider, so yeah.  now when I switch to a gnome session it is zoomed in at something like 500% automatically
[19:10] <baphomet1> any idea how to zoom out.
[19:10] <Joe_Schmo2840> Im having an issue getting vncserver to properly display my desktop when I connect
[19:11] <bjsnider> baphomet1, no
[19:11] <Joe_Schmo2840> I get the background, but no toolbar or anything, using gdm, and Ive tried MANY diff xstartup configurations
[19:11] <baphomet1> bjsnider, thanks.  I am checking in to it.  I will write back once I have an answer
[19:12] <bjsnider> didn't know gnome supported zooming
[19:25] <baphomet1> bjsnider, I got it working
[19:25] <baphomet1> for some reason the zoom thing was turned on by default
[19:26] <baphomet1> alt + super + 8 turned it off
[19:27] <baphomet1> thanks again!
[20:15] <JimFromPA> Hi, want to log into U Gnome 13.10 beta 1 as Gnome Classic user, but do not know the password, anyone know it?...
[20:16] <JimFromPA> as a live user
[20:26] <JDHankle> default user on ubuntu live cds is blank usually
[20:28] <JDHankle> I'm assuming ubuntu-gnome doesn't change this
[20:33] <JimFromPA> ok, many thanks,will try