[00:16] <pepee> <pepee> this fix should be applied to xfce4-power-manager in ubuntu 13.10 too:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1180513    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1180513/comments/6
[00:16] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1180513 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "lid close actions are ignored laptop always suspends" [High,Fix released]
[00:18] <Fyodorovna> pepee, I'm sure they will get right on that. ;)
[00:19] <pepee> I hope ;)
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[05:10] <tomc603> Hello all, I am running Ubuntu 13.10 (not a novice or new user) and I've noticed that for several weeks now the indicator-messages indicator does not turn blue when I receive a new IM in Empathy. (x-post  from #ubuntu)
[05:11] <tomc603> I do not necessarily think this is a bug, etc. in 13.10...perhaps a package has become uninstalled, or something of that nature.
[05:15] <tomc603> Further details: I've apt-get reinstalled indicator-messages, empathy, etc. I've verified the dconf settings for the indicator/messages includes "empathy.desktop". Obviously I've rebooted as well.
[06:35] <snadge> thats nothing tomc603 .. i've lost my ctrl-alt-t shortcut
[06:35] <snadge> its like the end of the world
[06:35] <snadge> i might add this is specific to gnome fallback session
[06:35] <snadge> on an unrelated note.. the mouse wheel over the volume indicator applet has started working again (in gnome fallback)
[06:35] <snadge> so.. you win some, you lose some ;)
[06:39] <snadge> ive checked the super obvious stuff, like that the keyboard shortcut is defined
[06:39] <pepee> lol
[06:44] <snadge> i tried redefining the ctrl-alt-t shortcut to something else.. and that doesnt work either
[06:44] <snadge> so its not the key capturing thats failing, perhaps its the running the terminal command part thats failing
[06:44] <snadge> im not sure why that would work in unity but not metacity though
[11:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:01] <boneslash> hi Guys I need help just a little bit can someone help me :D
[13:02] <boneslash> Is there any command for downgrading from 13.10 to 13.04 Ubuntu??? :)
[13:03] <jpds_> boneslash: No.
[13:03] <jpds_> !downgrade | boneslash
[13:03] <ubottu> boneslash: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported and may break your system.
[13:04] <boneslash> jpds_ : ouch that gotta hurt :D
[13:04] <boneslash> you know my installation wasnt completed It was running only 2,5 hours I think so It wasnt completed :(
[13:05] <boneslash> and for now I my netbook slow as f.ck :D
[13:05] <boneslash> *is
[13:06] <boneslash> !upgrade
[13:06] <ubottu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[13:07] <boneslash> and I cant restart my system either :/
[13:23] <snadge> so how do i fix ctrl-alt-t shortcut? where are the gurus? :p
[13:40] <boneslash> HI guy I dont need any downgrade so far someone said me there in downgrade I am glad there isnt my problem is gone :)
[13:41] <Pici> okay?
[13:41] <boneslash> Pici, thanks a lot :)
[13:42] <boneslash> Pici, I just had to install another updates and everything is running fine :)
[13:42] <Pici> good
[13:43] <boneslash> Pici do you remember me from yesterday? I was asking you for help in updating I think you gave me very memorable tips thanks a lot again :))
[13:44] <boneslash> so I can say to all that Ubuntu 13.10 is running ok on Acer Aspire one - AOA110 :)
[15:42] <vexati0n> hey ubuntu devs: if "multiarch-support" really replaces "ia32-libs," how about make dpkg realize that.
[15:55] <wilee-nilee> vexati0n, This is not where the devs hang, but good try.
[16:02] <tomc603> I'm having a problem with indicator-messages: When I receive a new IM, the indicator icon does not turn blue. I have re-installed empathy, indicator-messages, and several of the lib dependencies I've found...but still nothing.
[16:02] <tomc603> I've also confirmed "empathy.desktop" is in my dconf settings for the indicator/messages config.
[16:02] <Rory> tomc603: Does it affect all applications or just empathy?
[16:03] <tomc603> Empathy is the only application I really use that would send something to indicator-messages
[16:03] <tomc603> I don't use Thunderbird, in other words
[16:16] <johnjohn101> 4 more weeks
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[18:08] <tomc603> No further ideas about indicator-messages or what would prevent it from displaying the blue "new message" icon?
[18:11] <Rory> tomc603: Have you considered reinstalling empathy to rule that out?
[18:12] <Rory> tomc603: Also, you should definitely find out if it's just empathy, or if it's everything that uses that technology
[18:12] <tomc603> I have done that with apt-get install --reinstall empathy empathy-common
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[18:13] <tomc603> Rory, I'm not sure how I'd find that out. Though, I suspect XChat is also supposed to set an indicator when you send me a message that mentions my Nick...and if that is the case, it isn't working.
[18:15] <Rory> tomc603: launch dconf-editor, go to com.canonical.indicator.messages
[18:15] <Rory> Is there an entry there called Applications? Or is the Messages section empty?
[18:16] <tomc603> Yep, xchat.desktop is in that list. So, it appeases indicator-messages isn't working for any app
[18:16] <tomc603> Yeah, I already verified that empathy.desktop is in that list as well.
[18:17] <Rory> tomc603: Does this happen in 13.04?
[18:17] <tomc603> I'm not sure. It
[18:17] <tomc603> It's been quite some time since I upgraded
[18:17] <Rory> tomc603: You are aware you're using a not-yet-released version of Ubuntu, I'm just checking?
[18:17] <Rory> So breakage is not just possible, it's expected
[18:18] <tomc603> Yes, I am. But the askubuntu list about indicator-messages is pretty clear that this isn't just a 13.10 issue
[18:18] <Rory> I assumed you did know, but some people who start in #ubuntu recently seem to be getting 13.10 from somewhere without knowing it's not just the latest version
[18:18] <tomc603> Rory, Were this a 13.10 issue, I would expect a bug to be filed...and there is not. Nor is there mention of this issue
[18:18] <Rory> tomc603: Have you considered filing a bug? You'd need to reinstall 13.10 probably to make sure it is actually a bug
[18:19] <tomc603> Yeah, and that's the part I'm trying to avoid.
[18:19] <tomc603> I can easily spin up a VM to test
[18:19] <tomc603> I just don't want to re-install if I can avoid it
[18:22] <Rory> tomc603: Does it happen if you make a new user?
[18:30] <tomc603> Rory, Not too sure. About to create a desktop VM to test
[18:30] <tomc603> Perhaps try to find package differences as well.
[18:31] <Rory> tomc603: Try a new user first it's easier
[18:32] <Rory> tomc603: That will narrow down whether it's a problem with your user's config, or with your system config or something else
[18:32] <tomc603> Rory, I'm at work, so I can't really log out of my desktop
[18:32] <Rory> tomc603: But you can play with a VM?
[18:32] <tomc603> I can start that in the background while working.
[18:32] <Rory> tomc603: You can switch users without logging out
[18:32] <boneslash> sounds pretty dangerous :D
[18:33] <Rory> Hold on you're using 13.10 at work?
[18:33] <Rory> That only just sank in
[18:33] <tomc603> Yes
[18:34] <Rory> What does 13.10 give you that 13.04 doesn't (apart from this problem)
[18:35] <Rory> I think you are foolish, but anyway. Try a new user, try a new installation.
[18:35] <tomc603> Newer kernel, which I needed for testing.
[18:35] <Rory> OK
[18:35] <tomc603> Also, alpha releases are actually moderately stable when you know when you should and shouldn't install updates.
[18:48] <tomc603> Rory, A new user does not receive notifications.
[18:58] <trism> tomc603: assuming the api hasn't changed in 13.10 I have a test app in python you could try to see if it is working at all: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6129529/ , also needs a .desktop file to work, something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6129531/ in ~/.local/share/applications/
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[19:29] <tomc603> Rory, I am creating a bug report now. It's hard for me to believe _none_ of the testers have noticed this yet.
[19:35] <Rory> I think it's about time I installed Ubuntu 13.10 anyway so if you link me the bug report I will keep an eye on it
[19:35] <Rory> And possibly fix it, if it's Python
[19:35] <tomc603> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1220487
[19:35] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1220487 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "Messages indicator does not indicate new messages" [Undecided,New]
[19:39] <tomc603> I just updated the description text to provide more specific details about the dconf settings, and mention the fact that Friends/Gwibber and Xchat do not trigger a new message notification either.
[19:41] <boneslash> I must agree with tom couple minutes ago I change the setttings and it still doesnt seems to notify me about messages, What the ... :)
[19:41] <boneslash> *changed
[19:41] <tomc603> boneslash, If you mark that bug effecting you, it may get more attention
[19:42] <Rory> tomc603: I will mark the bug as affecting me after I test it
[19:42] <tomc603> This isn't a very big deal for social media accounts. But when I don't answer IM from my boss...it's hard to explain a software bug is the cause. :-)
[19:43] <boneslash> tomc603, understand ,thanks for the information :)
[19:43] <Rory> Problem: I have no friends thus no way to test this. Can anybody else triage?
[19:44] <boneslash> no problem just pm to me or tomc603 :D
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[19:49] <tomc603> Hey, an update here. the test python app posted by trism does, in fact, cause the icon to go blue.
[19:52] <boneslash> I just must look if someone is writing new messages (red color or blue - my name) but sound notification doesnt work for me :(
[19:53] <tomc603> I presume these are just messages passed on DBUS?
[19:55] <Rory> OK tomc603 I'm booting up a freshly install daily image
[19:56] <tomc603> Updated the bug to include the working script, and attributed trism.
[19:56] <Rory> tomc603: Your system is fully up-to-date yes?
[19:57] <tomc603> Yes
[19:57] <tomc603> I do not enable proposed, though, on Alpha systems. For obvious reasons.
[19:57] <Rory> Of course it is, but I have to ask this stuff
[19:58] <tomc603> Well, the question you skip is usually the one that leads to the answer.
[19:59] <Rory> tomc603: Have you checked the Sounds tab of the Empathy preferences window?
[20:01] <tomc603> I only have the option to enable sound notifications there, as well as the options sound notifications gives you
[20:01] <tomc603> Nothing about visual indicator
[20:01] <Rory> OK I can replicate this
[20:02] <boneslash> I am trying to updating my system every day because I installed Ubuntu 13.10 just today :)
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